Rage Vs. Killzone 3 : A Clash of Epic Proportions

PS Unlimited Writes: These two titles stood out during this year's E3 Convention in their very own unique light. Rage was the title that was a stunning eye opener displaying bleeding edge visuals, and proved to the masses that there's much life left in the XBox 360 after-all. (It won IGN's best overall game of E3) Then there's Killzone 3, which wowed the crowds yet again displaying its amazing cinematic visuals and intense gameplay elements all in Sony's new 3-D gaming experience.

So here's the obvious question which fuels the motivation for this article : As of right now, from what we've seen at E3 thus far, which game has the better graphics? To put it in an simple & contrite manner, the TENTATIVE answer would be [Pulls out Riot Shield ] Rage...

Now, before you exasperate yourselves into a fit of "Rage" my Killzone faithful, please read on because what I have to say will intrigue you and will indeed make you extremely happy.

[Duke Spookem]

Rage had to have content cut out thanks to a last gen console while Killzone 3 doesn't need to cut out content as it's on a console that doesn't have last gen limitations.

[Donny]

Yep, killzone 3 looks better than Rage. Guirella Games are more talented than id ( in my opinion )

[Eiffel]

Woah Woah Woah, more talented? Hell no. Id Software is god.

Rage is restricted due to BOTH consoles. Rage on the PC is beyond comprehensible. Hell from some of the pics I've seen from both console and pc, it trumps, and they had to compress it for the consoles, LOL!

I'm a console owner and I'm not this dense.

[ChozenWoan]

KZ3 has Killzon3D Rage!

Of coarse, gamers who's console can't play KZ3 will always try to say such and such game pawns the Killzone franchise.... same thing they said about ODST, Alan Wake, FF13, Splinter Cell, and so many other games that didn't hold water once released.

Lets just face it, only PC can compete... and that's if you have a rig that was top of the line when the PS3 was released or is much newer.

[Eiffel]

Just to clarify with any certain crowds.

http://i24.photobucket.com/...

[lve2playbball]

"Yep, killzone 3 looks better than Rage. Guirella Games are more talented than id ( in my opinion )"

Cmon now Donny, that is spoken like a true fanboy. Do you know what id is responsible for in the gaming world? I mean cmon, to say that guerilla is "more talented" than id is a joke. I know it's your OPINION, but it is severely misguided by fanboyism.

Watch, the disagrees will pile up. Look at the comments where people said they liked RAGE more...more disagrees than agrees. This is truly a fanboy thread.
Like I said in another thread, I was not a big fan of KZ2's gameplay, but it was gorgeous. KZ3 does look amazing, and the jetpacks will probably be awesome.

[MRMagoo123]

Its a fanboy site if ppl dont agree with you hmm is that how it goes so basically u cant be wrong either way if they agree with you then that means rage is the better company right but if they dont agree with you then there all fanboys lol ur a joke i dont like mario does that make me a fanboy no it means i am an individualand have my own tastes.

[beardpapa]

wow Eiffel, u got a lot of 360 games. how u find the time to play and get so many?gamefly?

[Boody-Bandit]

That you own both consoles and appear to favor the 360. The picture shows 18 360 games and only 2 PS3 titles. Unless of course you have a stack of PS3 titles located somewhere else.

I own 5 360's and only 1 PS3. Most people would think I am more a 360 fan. Isn't that the first thing that comes to the mind of people that read it? Check my post history and see if I am anything but brutally honest.

BTW my stack of games is pretty even.

[madpuppy]

The guys at ID are the real deal, They Invented the FPS! John Carmack was making FPS when the Guerrilla Games developers were still in junior high.

Killzone 3 looks great but after viewing the videos, Rage looks better. but, Rage has tons more color than Killzone 3 so it is hard to make a really good determination without actually playing both games.

[Charlie_Shene]

id is top of the line.

[Heisenberg]

And kids that are in Jr High now will someday make better games than GG, and then the next generation will do the same and so on and so forth. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but the fact that id is the grandfather of the FPS doesn't necessarily mean they make the best FPS's today...

[exnihilonihilfit]

*checks to make sure he still has a PS3, sees that he does*

I really couldn't care less cause I'll get to have both, and the better console version of Rage no less.

But lets be real, the two games have very different graphical styles so it's not really a fair comparison. Rage will be amazing though, and definitely among the best graphics on PS3, though likely not the absolute best. It will probably the best graphics on PS3 of any multi-platform game except maybe Crysis 2. If anything we should be comparing Rage with Crysis 2, not Killzone 3.

[Mista T]

Killzone 3 has a bit of shine almost like Unreal engine, in Rage everything is textured and looks very realistic.

I like the graphics of Rage a lot better, not to mention the game is open world. Rage wins, and will also be the better game in gameplay and not just graphics, which is what Killzone misses.

http://www.pcgameshardware....
http://www.xboxinsider.net/...
http://images.totalgamingne...
http://www.incgamers.com/im...

you guys are fanboys and can't accept it, compare the above with this.
http://ve3dmedia.ign.com/im...

[Colonel-Killzone]

Man you only got 1 screenshot of Killzone. While 3 for rage since one of them is not working. Get some better links of Killzone 3 please before I have to bring links. I see your the fanboy if you was true on your word You would have gotten the same amount of links for Killzone GTFO.

You just proved me right again. And its funny how sad you go out of your way to make killzone 3 look bad. First off I'm looking at everything ground up from your link. And it does not even look better.

Second you got a small ass picture of killzone 3 with not even that much detail. With a full scale picture of RAGE LMFAO. And even with that picture Killzone artice environments still look better. Also Sev looks much better detailed then Rage Character models nice try though. I'll give you a T for trolling.

[ChronoJoe]

Rage has an almost cellshaded artstyle (it's not cell shaded in terms of tech, but it produces the same visual results with considerably greater detail)

Point is. It looks eveything but realistic, not saying it doesn't look decent, great even. But you're an obvious troll when you're trying to push Rage > KZ3 with 'it looks more realistic'.

Now this is killzone 2, not 3 ( I wanted a sample of a more everyday enviroment, when speaking on the subject of 'realism', so the wrecked snow enviroment wasn't quite suitable )

http://www.gamearena.com.au...

That, looks more realistic than anything I've seen from ID Tech 5. Not saying I'm not a big fan of rage though, but I think Rage looks hella fun, just not graphically (on console) on the level with KZ3 (on console).

[Keltik82]

I love it how you find all the best pictures of Rage then you find ONE picture of KillzownedRage that shows the least detail of the game and the worst picture possible. Good try Mista Tarded.

[FunAndGun]

haha, I laughed at Mista Tarded.

[pain777pas]

Killzone 2 is better looking than Rage. Look I'll tell you the truth just like Halo reach there is something that Killzone does that no other shooter I've seen seems to be doing and that is present intensity. The smoke particle effects, how things blow up just make most shooters look like cartoons. Seriously, Killzone 2 is the best when it comes to guns and shooting stuff. Battle field has its benefits in destructibility etc... MW2 has its fun multiplayer perk factor and Halo nails the fun of vehicles that showcase the games scale and versatility. If Killzone puts mechs, jetpacks and vehicles in multiplayer its over and anyone who plays killzone which there is many who still play cause I still play know that every kill takes skill, patience and teamwork. Love that game one of the best multiplayer experiences around cause of the match constantly changing objectives and things can get so bat crazy on some maps I just love Killzone2 sorry guys. Rage looks good but there is that feeling of the dirt is just a texture and the water won't move realistically things like that that Killzone nails in the atmosphere and lighting is some times shokingly beautiful in a way. Really technically advanced in creating a warzone type atmosphere that I have not seen in any other games really. When your storming that palace at the end its complete chaos on higher difficulties and so rewarding to complete and then the final stage fighting Radec can drive you insane with the RPG crew but the game is a fantastic shooter but they need the vehicles and more mechs to make the leap to best in class cause that is one thing that Halo especially and all other shooters trump Killzone in single player and multiplayer. But Rage will be a better Boarderlands but will not touch Killzone. It looks great for what it is but I see that the graphics are pretty not gritty if you understand what I mean if not I can't really explain it that well but I think that Rage looks great and it is running on 360 hardware which is good. Hopefully Carmack will get parity or surpass those visuals on the PS3 because I have a strange feeling they were just demoing the game on the system that they will sell the most copies on not the system where it will look the best. Bioware did the same thing with Dragon Age.

[DoomeDx]

Thats pretty good for you.

but IMO (mind you, IMO!) Killzone 3 looks better.

also, Killzone 3 has the MP :) which does it for me ! (i know, not graphics related. but hey, who cares about graphics? Gameplay > Graphics right?)

oh and Mister T, use INGAME screenshots next time. not pre-rendered

[cliffbo]

@Mista T

rage is a bog standard fps similar to quake and does not have much going on on the screen.

however KZ3 is almost alive at all times and has as much if not more detail and action and has more innovative gameplay and features than rage.

[Sm0k3y_Bac0n]

Rage just looks an FPS version of fallout, a game which had pretty bad shooting.

[Mista T]

Rage trumps and runs over Fallout, Fallout uses an old engine and is nothing compared to iD tech 5

http://xbox360media.ign.com...

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...

@Colonel-Killzone, ok you asked for it. I'll post here since I can edit my post above.
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...

it's obvious Rage is much better.

[Keltik82]

It's obvious you're Tarded, seriously dude thank god you're out of bubbles. Cause you're just really grasping at straws. Rage HAS NOTHING going on! KillzOwnedYou has so much going on it's not even funny dude. Tug on those shoulders and pull your head outta yer arse because you're blind.

[ScoobyDrew]

Once Killzone 3's jungle environments are shown off you can shove that rage crap up your ass. It'll be game over

[da305kratos]

KZ3 looks nothing like the Unreal engine to begin with...

also, all I've heard from Rage is that everything is static, from the shadows, lighting, etc....if thats all true, IF it is, then you cant even compare it to KZ3...just sayin

[Inside_out]

Well, Rage has many technical features to brag about, the biggest being you will not see many objects twice. That explains the second disc on 360. The question I have is...Will we ever see this thing??? It's been in development for 7 years.

KZ 3 is using the exact same graphics engine as KZ 2. So says Guerrilla. The difference, well, no swearing, Move compatible, stabbing guy's in the eye's and you need a neew TV and glasses to play it in 3D...Plus alot of pre-rendered scenes and back drops. Obviously the Naughty dog contribution for the last part. It does look good.

Gears of War was the stand out for me. It had all new weapons and finishing moves. A complete new enemy class in the Lambent. 4 player co-op, new Horde mode in Beast where you get to play as all the enemies and of course Multi-player with new maps. The complete package in game, without the need to buy a new TV or controllers.

Halo Reach looked great as well. 4 Player co-op, Firefight, multi player and the best part...Playable this year in a couple of months.

Crysis was demoed on PC, according to Crytek. Have no idea what the console version will look like. PC version is OK.

[snp]

"KZ 3 is using the exact same graphics engine as KZ 2. So says Guerrilla. The difference,..."

Actually if you have a look at the interview/demonstration videos, they've said they optimised their code such that they are getting another 30-40% performance out of Killzone 3 over part 2 (and this is in pre-alpha stage, of course - though the engine might already a wrap at this point; i don't know).

They went on to say this is why they've been able to get so many more polygons into the environment - for all those layers on the multiple platforms in the second demo they showed (and the enormous number of polygons and effects going on to create the waves and other immersion details).

Biggest things i'd say have changed is the additional polygons has given sections a little more scale - made them fractionally less claustrophobic (which was something i didn't like as much about Killzone 2 over some other shooters). And also, of course, there's an extra axis on display in gameplay via the jetpacks. And, though they've not shown them, Killzone 3 is supposed to have a large variety of different environment types ( a complaint for some in Killzone 2).

Beyond that, of course, it's a question mark what else is new - mind you, that's a fair amount. Though i'm sure there'll be plenty of surprises by the time it's finished and released - as there are for every game.

Not sure where you are getting this 'a lot of pre-rendered scenes and back drops'. I've not actually seen any of these 'pre-rendered scenes and back drops' in any demo (i'd ask for a link, but you're out of bubbles). Everything i've seen has been in engine. Point of fact, in one of the chats with the guy from Guerrilla demoing the game he made of point of saying they were making sure any transitional scenes (which are still in engine) will also include playable elements so as to not take the player out of the game at any point.

As for the Move and 3d. 3d is a neat addition for those who can use it - and it'll always be there for those who buy the game but can't use it immediately to go back and have a look at if/when they do get a 3d tele of some sort. Move will have to wait and see; it could genuinely improve the control for those of us who struggle with console control sticks.

[maddhatter123]

well there you have it kz3 easily beats rage 360 fanboys better lucky with the next bandwagon you hope on.

[SOAD]

The article writer is correct.

RAGE looks excellent but doesn't have a lot of shit going on in the environments.

KZ3 has all the snow effects, the explosions, the particles, everything is happening at once to produce the feeling that you are in a war.

Both games look good but technically Killzone 3 I guess trumps RAGE.

I have changed my opinion from a couple of days ago where I said that RAGE was technically better.

[Nykamari]

You have every right to change your opinion, but some fools of this site will die first before giving props to a beast of a game called KILLZONE! +1 for you!

[MRMagoo123]

My god i couldnt believe u said that it is the truth tho rage isnt as technical as KZ3.

[Boody-Bandit]

When I first viewed Rage what initially caught my eye was how smooth it runs. I was like DANG that looks great but the more and more you watch the wow factors goes away. It looks almost cell shaded at times. The game looks sharp but there really isn't a lot of detail or any complex environments going on.

Anyone that has played KZ2 knows how amazing the effects and animations are and there is a ton of detail. I still am wowed when I play it every now and then.

Rage will end up like every other over hyped PS3 exclusive killer before it. I am a fan of iD and I do hope it turns out to be a top notch game but it wont come close to topping KZ3.

KZ3 is in it's early alpha phase and it is going to get a lot sharper, more detail and refined before it's released. Just like KZ2 and UC2. KZ3 will be amazing but it wont be the end. I have a feeling Sony first party are going to push the PS3 further and further with each new release.

I cant wait to see what Naughty Dog and Santa Monica are going to do next.

[MNicholas]

Is it the low polygon character models?

The way the textures look like crap up close?

The lack of dynamic lighting and specularity?

The cheap baked lighting and shadows on everything?

The cheap tricks such as pipes on the ceiling that are just drawn in textures like they did in the early PS2 era?

The cheap dark outlines around rocks and stones to compensate for the lack of actual detail?

The horrendous water effects?

Well?

Frankly, COD Modern Warfare 2 is also 60fps and, technically speaking, is doing a heck of a lot more than Rage.

http://images.eurogamer.net...

Here are some good examples (taken from Killzone 2) of what Rage isn't:

http://boardsus.playstation...

[niceguywii60]

PS3 fanboys are crazy thinking Killzone 3 is anywhere close to the lighting and detail in Rage.

Media coming from E3 almost universally agree Rage is the most impressive game they've ever seen on consoles and can not believe it's running on consoles(360). Not just for its visuals but also because it's a technical marvel in every category possible. The consensus in non pro PS3 forums and chat rooms agree.

[maddhatter123]

http://www.psu.com/images/3...
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[Hallmark Moment]

You're kidding right?
http://ps3.ign.com/dor/obje...
http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/...

http://www.psu.com/images/3...
http://www.1up.com/media/03...

Looks like KZ3 has PS2 textures in comparison.
http://www.psu.com/images/3...
http://www.1up.com/media/03...

LOL

[gta_manic]

is it hard getting by with one bubble?

[MNicholas]

and the texture resolution is run-of-the-mill for current gen games.

What's more, there's no evidence of the kind of fancy shader work that current gen games are required to have. It's all rather flat and cartoony. Almost like cell-shading.

[WLPowell]

Is painted on in Rage (which is why screenshots look good)... try again. In motion Killzone's engine is still above and beyond anything else. In motion, Rage falls into Gears territory where you start to see what corners they cut to get their results.

[WhatARump]

Graphics aren't that important; sure they're nice and all but yeaa...

Killzone 2's gameplay wasn't that great, it was fun for a while but nothing worth returning too. That being said Killzone 2 is still a good game just nowhere even remotely close to a game I'd say I really enjoyed.

[WLPowell]

You're opinion on how much fun you had is irrelevant to the topic at hand.

[WLPowell]

retarded N4G...

[WhatARump]

That's where you're wrong!

Graphics are worthless if a game isn't fun -.-

[baodeus]

so how big are KZ2 compare to a Rage? both of these game aren't even out yet, and KZ is still in alpha stage. So even with the content cut, how big is Rage compare to KZ? We don't know, but from what we see so far, Rage already has towns and open exploration while KZ doesn't.

It is kinda useless to post anything that unfavorable to PS3. Sony fanboy can't accept anything else.

Resident Evil 5 already look better than KZ2 (much better lighting and textures), and they i guess they don't want to mention that. Last time i check, KZ2 didn't win in graphics either. And what technical bar has KZ2 set for gamming?

@al Bundy,

Go compare any video in Resident Evil 5 (lighting, close up texture, explosion) to KZ2, and see which one looks better. Post up videos.

[rock_solid]

Killzone 2 is 5 hours long max, Rage has more contents, large scale levels. blows up everything found in KZ3D.

[SpLinT]

KZ2 had 8 online maps and only 5 modes (one was 1 minute long and the other was tdm) . Real great content for you. Oh and its 7 hour SP. Great content. With all maps being dark and gray.

[palaeomerus]

I thought Rage just got divided up into sections so it would fit on several dvd's with no swapping?

[emitsomla]

Rage justs looks better... Rage has exceeded KZ in terms of better lighting and animation, which killzone is known for. AND IT"S RUNNING AT 60fps!!!! Look at the environments, KZ-3 colors (GREY IS THE PRIMARY COLOR), blurry, and the fall-off of detail is poor (i have KZ2, so you fanbois cant tell me shyt). Rage environments KILLS KZ: Rage- colorfull, bright and beautiful when necessary, and can see in the distant. You fanbois are going overboard with your Killzone overhype! WE ALL SHOULD BE HAPPY THAT RAGE IS MULTIPLAT!

[N4g_null]

No one cares if it got content cut, All games get content cut. It makes a better game most of the time.

Tech wise killzone is not even close. What they are using is a crazy amount to obscure the draw distance and action. Killzone is scripted events on steroids and it's great fun i guess.

Rage lacks this simply because of their visual style. It's not going to be as good on the consoles yet it's a true Miracle that it's even running on consoles.

What is even funny is you guys are attacking the one tech that even makes blu ray more viable. Yet you will still have to install it lol.

Oh well the console hardcore have spoken more particle effects and texture detail is not a must.

Now on pure style I would say I like killzone better game play wise I think i'll like rage better.

[menoyou]

Indeed. Rage looks nice but it's nothing special. Killzone 2 blew everyone away and Killzone 3 is a huge upgrade. Guerilla are elite developers.

[rkimoto]

Who cares which game "wins" in aesthetics, if they're both great, we all win!!

I'm really excited about both games, I like FPS' and seems that we're going to have an overload of them the next year or so.

[sid4gamerfreak]

why is this all so dramatic? CLash of epic proportions? It would suit crysis 2 vs killzone 2 but no rage.

You guys do realize that Rage is FRICKIN OPEN WORLD??? ANd killzone IS FRCKIN LINEAR??

What does this prove? That of course killzone's gonna win. The action sequences are much better in killzone. BUt killzone aint a open world game, is it?

[EvilBlackCat]

Compare them at 720p

Killzone 3
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

RAGE
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Huge comparison difference right?
everybody at E3 give it to RAGE

IGN BEST OF E3 2010 >>> http://games.ign.com/articl...

Guess who is best overall game

Where in da hell is Killzone 3 in that list?
EVERY xbox/PC fans in this site start giving bubbles to each other just like PS3 fanboys do here for any stupid comment they leave.

@ Dmarc
haha i was just thinkin when i saw this title " hope they are not comparing graphics" "the rage gameplay might b up to par with killzone but graphics .. nah"

here take this >>>
http://tissue.win.mofcom.go...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Dee_91]

haha i was just thinkin when i saw this title " hope they are not comparing graphics"
the rage gameplay might b up to par with killzone but graphics .. nah

[Snakefist30]

If u guys hv high requirement pc.Many guys doesnt hv high requirement pc like me u can play this game at full settings.Tats a big problem abut pc u hav to upgrade it to play high requirement game like crysis and rage while the ps3 dont need any upgrade just put the bluray and play.

[lh_swe]

I don't care which looks better, hell I don't care which console version of Rage looks better.

However if Rage just so happens to look better on the 360 I will start to wonder why its only now after 5 years we start to see the 360 show some muscle?

That said I do own a 46 inch Bravia and didn't enjoy Alan Wake or Splinter Cell Coniction any less even if they had been boasted to be the next graphical kings, so I just don't care anymore!

I love great looking games and will continue to and so far the PS3 has shown more great looking exclusives and if that should change in the 360's favour I really don't give a s*** because by now you guys should own both if you want to call yourselves gamers.

[Al Bundy]

This reminds me of all the other games that looked better than Killzone 2 while they were in development but after they released no one said they looked better than Killzone 2 anymore. Rage will be no different and then it will be "just wait, Rage 2 will rape Killzone 2 in graphics".

[AtatakaiSamurai]

Yup, yet again the final product will come out on consoles and the KZ/PS3 haters will all pretend like

"what what what?! NOBODY ever said Rage was a better looking game only one or two fanboys and EVERYONE knew a multiplat couldn't match an exclusive so stop making stuff up you troll!"

How much you want to bet you see a comment like this the week Rage launches lol

[NecrumSlavery]

Killzone 3 looks amazing
RAGE looks amazing
Both play on my PS3
One plays on all 3 HD systems
No editor for consoles...:(

360 gamers need not start crap about the "superiority" of 360's graphics.
It's a multiplatform game. Looks great on all platforms. Everyone should be happy. BTW, Rage looks to me, like a graphically jacked Borderlands, which is too a great game. Please stop using multiplatform games to compare to exclusives. It's old. We get it. You love your system. We all love ours. Remember who the demigod of video games said:
"We all serve one master. And his name is, Gaming! Forever may he reign!!!" -Kevin Butler.

[stonecold1]

to the 360 fans they think rage and crysis2 on consoles is up there with killzone 2 just laughed at them

[dork0783]

Just except it fanboys!!

[Donny]

yes both do look awesome, its just killzone 3 looks better. ;)

[dork0783]

In some parts rage looks better plus its locked in on 60 frames per a second you can't beat that.

[KILLERAPP]

What is this infamous vs. prototype part 2, if you have a PS3 you can play both so I don’t see the comparison and if you only have a 360 well then I don’t see that you have a choice…

[AtatakaiSamurai]

360 gamers always seem to take multiplats and pretend to high heaven that they are exclusive. That's one of the only chances they have of actually landing decent exclusives for their 5yr old console that only hands them out very sparingly

Sad I know but they have themselves to blame cause it's what they love to support.

[baodeus]

you don't get the point of the conversation, PS3 technical level just not as great as the fanboy make it out to be.

It is really up to the developer to optimize the game to make it look the way it is. Except PC, console are quite limited and many games look great because developers use tricks to make them look that way. KZ2 is full of tricks.

Here is are some examples: (here is some of the technical aspect of KZ2 that set the bar for graphics that fanboy claimed)

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
-Draw in shadow (0:02), the helgast standing right in front of the door, yet no shadow were cast on the door while the pillars behind him do.
-Wind doesn't have any physical properties (0.28,4:06) the exploded barrel creating smoke that doesn't go as the same speed as the wind and dust of the level, (4:06) the cloths are blowing in the opposite direction of the wind...really?
-stupid AI (3:21 - 3:40) they keep going to the same spot to get shot, why? Is that a sign of smart AI? Probably on the same level of Fanboy on this site.
-Painted blob of lights (4:32 - 5:41), really that what lighting looks like, try to compare that to RE5 lighting to see the differences. RE5 actually have real lighting emitting outward.
-Bad Texture (4:38), and especially this N64 texture (4:53).

If you guys disagree (as always), then would you care to explain what i see above (i play KZ in HD before so i know what it looks like.)

Stop pulling out UC2, KZ2, MGS4, Gow3 over and over as proof of PS3 technical power when there really isn't any concrete evidences to show it. These game are great, but the technical apsect really blown out of proportion.

[The real killer]

Wait, they compare with Killzone 3 pre alpha code and still looks way better than Rage. Rage looks good, but if those people compare with Killzone 3, no that's not fair for Rage or Crysis 2 and both will lose from Killzone 3 in all aspect.

[SilverSlug]

myself. Thank you.

[Colonel-Killzone]

Wow They are seriously gonna compare the console version of Rage to killzone. Rage does not look better. I seen the guns they showed. Killzone 3 Gun Models Look way better then the ones in Rage. Even so Rage is a beautiful game. Like I said Killzone 3 is in its pre alpha so there is plenty of work to be done I'm gonna wait until the full version is released. But if you wanna compare Killzone 3 Pre Alpha to Rage to win a stupid argument on N4G fanboys by all means go ahead.

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

¿Seriously?
¿Graphics comparison only?

Well, that is easy to answer.

[neolit]

They both look awesome but different (graphically) and IMHO, it is a matter of taste or artistic inclination which one of those appeals to you more.

For my part, I do not consider these games to be in the same arena.

I loved KZ2 and it is a pure-blooded shooter. KZ3 looks like more of that but better.

Rage looks like an experiment with a lot of FPS in it.

[ATi_Elite]

Actually I rather compare the graphics of Killzone 3 vs. Super Mario Galaxy 2. Doesn't matter graphics vs. graphics is graphics vs. graphics and only Rage PC has good enough graphics to challenge Killzone 3.

Killzone 3 is already shaping up to surpass God of War 3 in the eye candy department. So this will be like the 7th game in a row where a Sony first party developer has pushed the PS3 graphics even more.

I don't understand why consolers want to continue this stupid debate as Sony's first party developers are head and shoulders above anybody else as far as graphics.

Killzone 3 vs. Rage PC as far as graphics now that's fair.

[Eiffel]

Killzone 3 vs. Rage PC?

Rage PC of course.

[AKS]

No, that's not a good idea at all. Rage on PC will look incredible.

[newhumanbreed]

Rage on the 360 will be far more superior than Kill Zone 3. Nuff said.

[Anon7349]

You kidding me? The console version of rage has trash for textures.

The PC version of Rage is better than Killzone 3 but that's no a fair comparison since you are comparing old technology to something that barely has limits at all since it evolves very fast while console only change hardware wise once every 5years or so.

[IHateYouFanboys]

rage doesnt have 200ms of input lag, so rage wins.

graphically, what we've seen of rage beats what we've seen of Killzone 3 too IMO. better texture detail, obviously more unique textures, better character models, and 60fps compared to 30fps. also, i just like the visual style of rage more.

not to mention the fact that snow levels suck in every game, its an easy way for developers to do levels as it allows them to just cover everything in white and call it a day. im just waiting for the inevitable footage of a Lava level in Killzone 3 for it to be complete lol.

now for the disagrees because i said a bad word about killzone 3.....fanboys are so predictable.

[nickjkl]

200 ms of input lag

doesnt that mean it will take 2 whole seconds

from the time i press a button to the time the action happens

[IHateYouFanboys]

no, 200ms is 200 milliseconds. 200 milliseconds is 0.2 of a second.

means it will take 0.2 of a second for the action to happen after you press the button, which is how long it takes in Killzone 2.

[bjornbear]

KZ3 has already been reported to be WAY faster in response.

read up before judging

IHATEYOUFANBOYS . you do no research!

+ the 0.2 ms is actually the controller, and its the same for 360 controllers =/ im not sure its 0.2 or 0.1 but both have them universally -_-

[nickjkl]

really i thought 22 ms was

22 milliseconds

so the move has a .022 response time thats some responsive shit right there

i was impressed with move being 22 ms as in .22 because thats the time it takes to snap youre fingers pretty much but .022 is instantaneous

/s

[IHateYouFanboys]

@bjornbear:

KZ2 was also reported to have had no input lag before release. we know that wasnt true.

until someone posts videos of the response time or we get our hands on it ourselves, since its the same engine as KZ2 its safe to assume it still has the 200ms input lag.

and no, the 0.2ms is NOT the controller, it is ON TOP of the input lag the controller has. if it was, how would you explain how Killzone 2 has noticeably more input lag than say Resistance?

have a read before you talk about something you obviously know nothing about. or in your words, 'you do no research!'

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

"Based on this video, we see that the lag in the fully patched Killzone 2 is 12 frames. Factor out the three frames of lag in the display itself and we're left with a 150ms "ping" between gamer and on-screen action. Now, many people have complained about the unresponsive nature of the controls in Guerrilla Games' epic to the point where the game was patched (this is captured from the latest code by the way), though based on my experiences I believe the analogue "dead zone" on the sticks was the main focus of the tweaks."

@nickjkl:

22ms is 0.022. 200ms is nearly 10x that, so 0.022 x 10 = 0.22 seconds.

@AKS:

most developers do snow levels, all the way back to the PS. crash bandicoot. spyro. mario. basically every platformer. they also all have lava levels, hence my lava comment. BFBC2 has snow. MW2 has snow. Uncharted 2 has snow. Gears of War 2 has snow. Crysis has snow. Resistance has snow. Halo has snow. etc etc.

[AKS]

Oh, you can't be serious. You really think it's so easy to make impressive looking snow, ice, and water effects? Then why so few developers are able to accomplish this?

[swiftshot93]

Credit must be given where its due.
KZ3 has better lighting, character models, and animation (which is really saying something).
RAGE, as of now, has better textures (maybe the best ever), is running at 60 FPS, and might have better AI.

[emitsomla]

KZ DOES NOT HAVE BETTER ANIMATION OR LIGHTING! LOOK AT THE ENVIRONMENTS AND CHARACTER MODELS! HOW CAN ANYBODY SAY KZ3 LOOKS BETTER, OR HAS BETTER LIGHTING??

[rjgbyrne]

I bought it expecting far to much and it didn't deliver anything but disappointment. A few glimmers appear but the poor AI and shonky reload times made me place this at the bottom of my games pile. Heck, I still play Doom 3, Rage looks great, plays great and will be great. Killzone 3 needs a lot of game-play changes to even vaguely grab my interest, 3D might be good but the game-play needs to be as engaging as Gears of War. I enjoyed Ghost-busters more than Killzone 2.

[Colonel-Killzone]

WOAH. You said Killzone had poor AI lol ? Play on the highest difficulty and tell me that. Killzone 2 was known as one of the few games with very good AI. As soon as you said Gears of Wars I stop taking you seriously. Maybe you just sucked because I never once heard anybody complaining about Killzone reload times.

[Blitzed]

Anyone who says KZ2 has poor AI has obviously not played the game and is outing themselves as a fanboy troll. If you want to post (or pm) your PSN ID I can check your stats and if you played the game I'll retract my comment and offer an apology.

[neolit]

Blitzed is da man. Here's a bubble.

[chidori soukou]

rage looks nice but what's amazing about it? All of the enemies look the same in the video of the demo of e3, it looked great at start but I'm not really feeling the game will deliver in textures or gameplay...

honestly I thought Killzone 3 looked MILLES much better than what I saw of Rage.

and lol what happened in "mega textures" of rage of pc? ummm downgrade for "cartoon mega textures" because of consoles?

proof:

1 pic of rage in pc ---> http://www.stuffwelike.com/...

pic of rage in consoles--> http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...

:(
it Just my opinion from what I saw of game...

[palaeomerus]

It seems like a pretty stupid opinion.

[rulakir]

People please stop with this nonsense. Although i am a Sony fanboy Rage looks good as well as Killzone 3. Even though they are both FPS the games are not played the same way nor the story is the same. If given the chance please play and ENJOY both games man.

[apple64]

Xbox Fanboys will say and do anything just to make PS3 exclusives look bad lol.

[palaeomerus]

Sure, and PS3 fanboys will say and do just about anything to make PS3 exclusives sound WAY better than they really are. Obviously.

[MRMagoo123]

they dont need to say anything the countless awards ps3 exclusives get proves it

[CobraKai]

Both look awesome. Both play differently. No need for comparisons. Just get both. It's not like it's exclusive to the 360.

I do think it's impressive that Rage is locked at 60fps though.

[palaeomerus]

Yep. That's how I look at it too.

[Ingram]

TBH, I was slightly underwhelmed with both.
Carmack has big shoes to fill, and killzone 2 raised the bar too, so I probably expected too much.

Anyway, they are not comparable IMHO, and it goes without saying,(`cause has been said zillions of times) a sensationalistic clash of the titans like this would make much more sense if both pieces of software were already finished & released.

[Obama]

Graphic wise killzone 3 impresses me more, but RAGE is looking great too.

[SuperbVillain]

ok...in my opinion these games should never be compared,they have nothing in common...If you want to compare KZ3 with anything HALO Reach,Bungie said they used some tools from killzone 2,such as the lighting and such...both have confirmed battles in space,and both are going to have a big online community...the stories are more similar than Rage....Even then I have respect for Bungie and GG,both great developers may the best game win,even though both will be amazing...

[Sevir04]

The game is No where and i say NO WHERE near as stunning as KZ3. The demo that was on E3 show floor was nothing but well corridor to corridor experience. The levels lacked any kinda of destruction and deformation. and on a technical level. KZ3 without 3d Looks 2 times better than tit's 3D counter part and the 3d looks heads and shoulder above anything that was shown on the show floor.

Sorry but this is always the claim of 360 fanboys.. "just wait till this multiplat comes out" "It's Crysis 2, it's alan wake, its gears 3, it's halo reach, it's Brink, it's Rage. it's Metro 2022, It's (insert any new announced multiplatform game here) that looks better than ps3 exclusives".

Really doesnt this get old for you. You go mum once the game releases and suddenly its something new. Or you go drag a monster PC game into the ring and all it proves is that your 360 cant even compete in the same ring as a PC and a PS3. and too see PS3 exclusives holding their own against PC games is testament to what Sony's Beast can do.

Buy a ps3 so you can stop shaming yourselves.

[Sarevok]

Who cares? play both and have fun.

[bjornbear]

is that its open world...thats impressive

but purely graphically, KZ3 takes the crown and its still in early stages =O

will get both for sure =)

[SEAN1617]

I have to say to me TO ME!!!!!! Killzone 3 looks a heck of alot better than Rage, rage might be more fun, and yes i know rage on pc will be crazy good, but im not going to play it on pc. I love the animations on Killzone the water the on coming fire looks great. this is my opinion, and the only console i have right now is a 360 which at the moment is telling me error 74 good thing i can fix them myself. really the only game i saw at e3 that got my attention was the new MK lol

[tiamat5]

Doesn't matter because we PS3 owners can get both. Rage, as everyone seems to think, is not an exclusive. We are getting it too

[i3eyond the Circle]

Killzone 3's graphics are underwhelming...when I look at the screens the only things that look good are the gun models and the character models...other than that the crappy environments are just masked with grain, weather effects or scripted action which might leave some blind fanboy under the impression the game looks good.

Honestly...it's quite underwhelming and it doesn't even look better than KZ2.

Rage looks good...60fps and open world...already most likely a more enjoyable experience over Killzone anyway that's really what matters to me.

[URIELXIV]

.

[URIELXIV]

Am I missing something? I honestly don't see what's so great about Rage's graphics...

[STICKzophrenic]

Am I the only one who's tired of all of these comparison articles?

These articles are almost as bad as the pixel counting articles.

Seriously, almost every big game is going to look great. Yes, some will look better than others, but that's where gameplay and story come into play and truly separate the good games from the great games.

In my opinion, Killzone 2 is a fun game with great gameplay. Killzone 3 will almost certainly at least match that.

How is RAGE's gameplay? Is it fun? This is what I want to know.

[Ashriel]

Downplaying RAGE as a "corridor shooter" with "mindless enemies" shows how clueless this guy is about this game.

[bramabull80]

Actually he was spot on with acknowledging the other parts of the gameplay if you read thoroughly. And yeah take a look at the video, the enemies just charge at you, or stand still and shoot at you... you can't skew that truth any other way

[telekineticmantis]

I'm sorry I initially thought rage might of had better visuals than killzone 3 but after looking at the on foot part compared to RAGE. killzone looks more beautiful. I like RAGEs design tho.

[thehitman]

Are amazing worse than 360 fanboys they even make me embarrased to be a PC gamer seriously Rage does not look better than KZ period.

[cobpswii3600]

NO MULTIPLAT WILL EVER LOOK BETTER THAN AN EXCLUSIVE!!! Rage looks static and dull. The gameplay looks very underwhelming and their is never alot going on at once. The same cannot be said about Killzone 3. It looks amazing! Killzone 2 already looks better than Rage anyways so...

[rob6021]

KZ3 is much more open than Rage - Rage is absolutely a corridor shooter if you've actually watched the videos. The towns may be more open, but the action is corridor, and it all looks the same (reused textures). And I guess animations don't count when you talk about realism in graphics when you want the underdog to win. Rage has nothing on the ragdoll/mocap blend killzone implements it's not even close in the animations department. 3rd, Art direction Rage is very generic, looks like it could even pass being called doom4 or borderlands2. Where are the advanced weather effects in rage? Let's not get started on AI.

[cobpswii3600]

Best comment ever! So true dude! So true!!!

[bramabull80]

he's spot on with everything the article has to say

[FanboyPunisher]

Its a different game, a different look and way more vast. Personally it looks better because it feels natural and mirrors a more real world.

Killzone 3 looks great though, its just very narrow in scope.

[EXID]

how exactly does rage innovate? it's the same idea as borderlands and the fallout series... it looks great, don't get me wrong, but the "look"/setting is nothing new. and how do you know how the game "feels"? have you played it?

[FanboyPunisher]

It does shit tons, borderlands was a RPG trying to be an FPS; the mechanics were half ass. Rage has amazingly natual, hand crafted environment- first difference.

Dynamic enemies, its way more vast in scope than boarderlands, i've seen gameplay to know how tight the shooting is. Killzone is extremely narrow in scope. Look at those screens below...

Thats why, sorry you need to be a sony troll and defend all exclusive titles; I look at any game for what it is.

Sorry you dont agree, i'm entitled to my opinion, douche bag.

[GrandDragon]

After seeing this:
http://www.incgamers.com/im...
http://images.totalgamingne...
http://www.xboxinsider.net/...

I have to say that RAGE looks much better in terms of graphics and that's because of the new Mega-texture technology it's using which is just incredible.

Not a single texture is repeated twice which is what KZ3 does, plus Mega-texture technology creates sharp HD textures wheres the standard method that KZ3 uses can only go so far.

Just because it's on the 360 doesn't mean it can't look better than KZ3 as that depends on the size of the game. Mega-texture technology is supposed to be an efficient way of using non-repeated HD textures without eating up space which is why the game is also possible on the 360.

By the way I'm getting both including Crysis 2.

[SEAN1617]

ITS A HUGE WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY, but mostly time, and for people getting behind one company and treat it like a religion, or a political party, or even a sports team is just sad. so screw both of these games, rage looks like a cross between bioshock, and quake. while killzone well looks like killzone. nuff said

[GrandDragon]

Absolutely true, ever since this generation of consoles started I've been thinking a about this and my interest in gaming as whole is dying rapidly.

I mean I haven't bought a game for the past 6 months purely because I just don't want to buy many of these new games.

Games nowadays are becoming more like action packed movies rather than what they used to be which is imaginative, original & fun.

[Aphe]

There's plenty of games out there that are original and fun, some of them aren't in HD but they are there. But if you think it's that bad maybe you should just give up gaming because you obviously don't enjoy it anymore.

[ivant]

Rage will be alright...but if Kz3 improves on Kz2 then it will be insane.

I just want all the weapons and vehicles in MP....don't care about the graphics, story, or killing Rico. Just give us all the vehicles and weapons online, GG.

[ps3gamer11111]

haveing a cover system in the SP and them taking it out in the MP in k2 is what ruin K2 for me and made it a Meh title that looked amazing

[Fart_Bomb_Fire]

rage would be great but things had to be cut out of the game due to the xbox360

......lame, clearly the xbox continues to be a obstacle for real gamers. so
im gonna say KILLZON3

[ps3gamer11111]

real gamers own a PC NOW shooooo

[yakuzakazuya]

It's Alan Wake all over again. Let's wait until both games are out!

Right now, Rage (console version) is missing:

- dynamic lightsources (uses only baked lighting/shadows which is not as resource heavy as having realtime lights)
- SSAO (I can't seem to notice any realtime ambient occlusion in the gameplay clips)
- weather effects (rain, snow, etc)
- per-object motion blur (I only seem to notice screen motion blur)
- destructible environments (the corridor shooting in Rage looks bland because bullets have no effect on the walls and pillars)
- physics based particle effects (like sparks bouncing on the floor in KZ2)

Maybe these features will be present in the final version of Rage. If not, then look at that list again, and realize that so much had been sacrificed to achieve that 60fps.

[hoops]

This should get at least 200 posts. LOL

[ps3gamer11111]

let all fight about graphics ROFL

i prefer gameplay

and k2 MP was meh and Rage looks meh gameplay also

Bring on King Halo Reach MP.

i know ill get disagrees just my opinion from a person who has ps3/360/pc

[Allowen]

They kinda nerfed Rage if you ask me after I sae that video on E3.

If I remember right the game was supposed to have at least 25G but because the Xbox360 's limitation this game was reduced to one dvd of 6.8G + another dvd for the online game.

No matter what it is not possible a game with 6.8G (Rage and Crysis 2) to have more things happening on screen at same time.

Those games might have a very good art direction like a Metroid Prime 3 or Brink but they still can;t have as much different kind explosions etc on screen as KZ3.

[spektical]

the last great game that ID made that was great is Return To Castle Wolfenstein.. after that i never bought into anything they made, they lost their touch. Maybe this is the game to regroup their creativeness that they once had.

On console versions, KZ3 is way better and not even close. On PC , of course Rage will be better, you can always upgrade your gaming rig at the cost of 1k.

[Aphe]

Cost of 1k? Now that's how to talk out of your ass. If you were buying one brand new you wouldn't have to spend that much, let alone upgrading. You clearly don't have a clue what you are talking about.

[horndog]

than anything on the ps3. Yes that's right even the xbox version. I can only imagine how it's going to look on p.c. Someone said that "no multiplat can look better than an exlcusive" well than look again. RAGE is looking better than any exclusive on the ps3 and that's only the xbox version we have seen.

Comment above: "you can always upgrade your gaming rig at the cost of 1k."

You are getting your ass raped if that's what someone is charging you. Just half of that amount will outperform anything on the ps3. Try a different dealer if you are serious or even cheaper you can put it together yourself.

[WLPowell]

and post-processing effects are no where to be found, then the engine/graphics debate is null and void. Killzone 3 looks better, because we're not looking at smoke and mirrors in screenshots. It's just like when all the people were putting Gears' visuals up on a pedastle, and then all the painted lighting and all the 2D assets came to light... Rage looks good, but it's visuals are not the best ever as people believe them to be.

[yakuzakazuya]

For all of you claiming Rage looks better, why not try addressing these issues:

Right now, Rage (console version) is missing:

- dynamic lightsources (uses only baked lighting/shadows which is not as resource heavy as having realtime lights)
- SSAO (I can't seem to notice any realtime ambient occlusion in the gameplay clips)
- weather effects (rain, snow, etc)
- per-object motion blur (I only seem to notice screen motion blur)
- destructible environments (the corridor shooting in Rage looks bland because bullets have no effect on the walls and pillars)
- physics based particle effects (like sparks bouncing on the floor in KZ2)

60fps don't come cheap people.

[horndog]

RAGE JUST LOOKS BETTER. You can try to justify for KZ3 with tech specs and what not but when it's all said and done most would agree that RAGE LOOKS BETTER THAN KZ3.

[baodeus]

It is really easy to prove fanboy stupidity. Just ask them a few questions and all you get are disagrees without any legit answers. If you don't ask question, how can you find the answer?

Typical brain wash Sony Fanboy. Stop with UC2, KZ2, MGS4 etc.....used in every debate or posts. It is getting way too old guys. Got anything better to post like actual proof/answers?

Again, it just proves that no game out there are perfect. Each has it owns up and down. For example (but these are just my opinion, i don't force it down everyone throat like many fanboy are doing).

animation: Assassin Creed
Overall Details: UC2
Particle effects and gun model: KZ2
Lighting and texture: RE5
Scale / large environment : RDR
Environmental effects: AW
The amount of stuff on screen: Kingdom under fire: CoD
Artistic: Flower/Fable 2
Character facial model: Mass Effect 2

You fanboy just can't appreciate what other games have to offer. Oh i forgot, u guys haven't played anything else beside PS3 games only.

[yakuzakazuya]

Thank you for admiting Rage's deficiency in graphical features. I rest my case.

[DoomeDx]

Killzone 3 has all those little details..

Rage looks a bit static..

they look great though, but for me, the winner is Killzone 3