For Family of Four; PS Move is Most Expensive; Kinect Less Than Wii

Kombo says: "We took the typical family of four who doesn't own a console yet and figured out how much each console will cost them. Of course they are going to want to be able to play at the same time, and they are going to want the premiere sports game on each motion control system.

Here is what we figured out:"

[Nitrowolf2]

yeah i will be honest
i bought my PS3 for me not for my family
and i am assuming that most 360/PS3 owners did also
i understand that sony and MS is trying to target family for these devices but when i get move i just don't see my self playing with 3 other people

[jaredhart]

I'm engaged but not married yet and she knows better than to touch my PS3 or Xbox.

I've never played a game on either with more than 1 other person

[Donny]

according to greenburge we do not even know the price of kinect. and from this article...i do not see wii games that cost $60.00 thanks ;)

[Hideo_Kojima]

Natal is the same as buying a PS3 and being forced to buy 4 DS3s with it...

Hardly anyone would use 4 DS3s

[blitz0623]

Well it's also hard to imagine 4 people playing Kinect at the same time. 2 is fine, but 4 people on screen moving on their own, with lag mind you, doesn't look pretty

[N4G king]

we haven't seen a single NATAL game with four players on screen at the same time
even that nerdy family with that retarded woman there was four of them but the screen shows only 2
MS said that it supports 4 players but they didnt show it

so I don't see what's the big deal in here

[kerrak]

Any naive in here thinking Sony won't make a Family Bundle with one eye, two moves and two nunchuks?

[morganfell]

"Cheaper for the entire family" tech that doesn't work isn't a deal. It's like cheap clothing stores that offer two for one. Just what I need, two lime green leisure suits with lapels shaped like hang gliders.

When all the entire family can do is play hopping games with no precision then it isn't cost effective. Neither is it "Fun Effective" and that ranks over cost. Value, bang for the buck. That always matters. Move works with ALL types of games.

Don't try to go to the "It will support hardcore games" comments since Microsoft's flagship shooters do not support Kinect either. And navigating menus (in slow motion) does not equal support.

[bioshock1221]

You don't have friends or what? I understand playing by yourself sometimes but don't you guys the people who are saying they don't play with other people have friends over to play or even brothers or sisters to play with as well.

Playing by yourself is fun but it's even more fun to play with people I know you can play with people online but still nothing beats having people over and playing games with them.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Exactly.This whole "Bu..bu..four players!" is just a desperate grasp at trying to somehow, justify kinects price.

Ironically, i can use that same logic against it.Screw four players, Say i want to buy kinect just for myself.I'm supposed to spend $150 for a webcam?

I could spend 50 for a move controller, and 30 for a cam (already have one anyways) Using my dualshock as the SC comes to a whopping $80...
I could even buy ANOTHER Move controller and it would still cost less than kinect.

80 Vs 150..Jeez, i dunno..

[ChozenWoan]

I like to use up to four accounts when tallying up the price of XBox Live, since there are some homes who do have 4+ accounts. That little $35-$50/yr adds up real quick using this math.

$35 x 4 accounts = $140/year x 5-10 yrs = $700-$1400
$50 x 4 accounts = $200/year x 5-10 yrs = $$1,000-$2000

and this is just for this gen of gaming. Even at just two accounts, that's a lot of money just for the privilege to game online... and everyone wonders where EA got the idea to charge of online play for used games from.

Not to mention that even just one accounts mounts up to a lot of cash very quickly.

$35/ year x 5-10 yrs = $175-$350
$50/ year x 5-10 yrs = $250-$500

hmmm...
PS3
It only does
saving gamers $175-$2000 for online gaming.

Edit:
I know this is not about the price of Live, but since this article is about up to 4 players being able to play against each other... I'm not too far out of the ballpark of this topic.

Also, I like how the (*) info at the bottom of the graph basically states that the info for Kinect is BS and thus subject to change. Thus this comparison is "grabbing at straws" at best.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

To get the full experience of PS Move, you will need at a minimum

2x Wands ($50/each)
1x Webcam ($40/each)

That is about $140 if you are willing to put up with the DualShock 3 as the navigator. Include the navigator and you are looking at a $170 for one gamer!

Why do you need two Wands you ask? Well, there is this game called The Fight: Lights Out that requires two wands to detect motion!

In fact, this article only assumes you need two Nunchuck/navigator, but don't you need four of them for FOUR players? Another fact that the article never discussed is, PS Move can only connect up to 4 controllers at any time, which means simultaneously only 2 people can play with both the wand and the navigator. MS has stated that Kinect can track up to four players, but we haven't even seen a game that does that!

If you assume they are playing a turn based game, then I guess you technically only need one wand/wii mote and one navigator/nunchuck. However, it seems software devs force you to have a set for each player.

As it is, the only unknown price is Kinect and at a $150 it is on the high end, but still competitive in my opinion. In the end, it is up to you to decide if it is worth it or not. Doesn't matter what it includes, because I know plenty of idiots that easily burn more than twice my cost of gas every month because they drive their fancy SUV! Go to the theater at least once a week and eats out at the fanciest restaurants. To them it is worth it!!!

[CobraKai]

Why did they not include the 360 console in part of their tally?

[snp]

Kinect is cheaper for a large group, but i'm same, have no interest in trying to get four people round and connected to a video game (have a Wii, and i think have only once used three players) so that's a hypothetical that just doesn't matter in real world (if there will even be four player games requiring four player simultaneous controllers support; neither to my knowledge has shown any).

There's also the factor that it's easier to buyer cheaper components as you need them piecemeal then it is to pay a much larger sum of money all at once (even if that large sum is all done). Something i think i've heard fans of Live mention when folks have used the 'but over 5 years it costs you...' - and they've been right to. I've probably spent enough over my life on scratchies or lotto on impulse to buy a decent spec flatscreen television. But you'd never see me spend one or two grand all at once on any kind of gambling.

[BWS1982]

Do you like how they also happened to use the MS tactic of the cheapest common denominator, the Arcade bundle? Break it up and nickel and dime to paint the picture of "cheaper" gaming costs. Uh, no. That didn't work when I did the math in 2008 and decided the PS3 was cheaper for me, and it may not work for others now. I understand some people only need just that, but it's a dubious strategy for those who don't understand the product lineups, and is just deceitful in these comparisons.

Just because MS offers the console that cheaply doesn't mean it ends up being that much. They specialize in "Oh, we still have to buy that accessory"...

IMO, this all comes down to what you want to get out of motion control, whether it's Kinect or Move or Wii, and the games and features are STILL a huge factor, let's not forget these are for gaming of all kinds, not just motion controls and party games.

[arny]

You seem to not include in your comment psn+

[dcbronco]

When PS3 owners tell you you have to have Blu-ray. Or Wi-fi. There is no proof you need either and Blu-ray was definitely overpriced at launch.

But the really sad thing about some of the responses is things like bringing up the cost of Live. Looking at you Chozen. While Move does include a lot of things geared toward the hardcore gamer, Natal seems to be geared strictly toward the casual gamer. Hardcore gaming is done on the internet and you would need Live for that. Casual is usually done with the person standing next to you. Notice a lot of the games are party-type games. Chozen, you don't need Live for that.

For the HC player, one controller is all you need because you are most likely playing online. For the casual player, say maybe a guy in a dorm at school, he might need multiple controllers. For a four player game it will cost over $350 for Move. Whether you have to buy two more Dual-Shocks or four sub-controllers. Natal is complete. You don't have to buy anymore controllers.

And for those that say they haven't shown any four player games.....

Well absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. There are known knowns and known unknowns. And there are unknown knowns and unknown unknowns. If you don't understand that ask Donald Rumsfield.

[BWS1982]

it's not about "proof" that you need one or the other, it's about the simple fact that some people HAVE to have wifi or "need to have" bluray in their machine because that's what they're looking for. It's like when someone shops for a new laptop or car, they have a mental list of "must have" features. Just because your list has items 1-10 doesn't mean that someone else's list is relegated to those exact items. Don't make the mistake of assuming everyone's needs match your own, that's what this argument is based around.

[dcbronco]

@BWS

For years now PS3 owners have always added the price of the $100 Wi-Fi module to the cost of having a 360. I never needed one and many didn't so it didn't apply. Now 360 owners are adding the cost of having 4 sets of controllers to play Move. Many will never need more than one because Move has functionality geared toward the hardcore gamer that more often than not is playing other online instead of in the same room. So like Blu-ray and Wi-Fi, many will never have the need for the extra items.

But Natal is geared toward the casual market. People most likely in the same room. It's the same reason Nintendo didn't push online, it didn't fit the casual buyers they were aiming at. You have to look at Natal like you look at the Wii. And you have to look at Move as having a stronger possibility of being used online.

I will say this about Natal though. The potential for HC is there. It just needs the right people to do it. There are a lot of things that can be down in hardcore games using Natal. And I would bet it is a lot more accurate than people are saying and will get even better as the firmware improves. In fact, in the next generation, Natal will be the dominate motion controller. The added computing power of a new system will open a lot of things to Natal that the others will need new equipment for.

[whydoyouask]

No, i think you just don't have any friends.

JK, lol

[deadreckoning666]

Its the same price for both in the end.

Lets say I want to buy The Fight: Lights Out(requires TWO motion controllers)

$100 Move bundle + 2nd Move controller= 150 bux

Kinect is $150 bux and u get everything u need for every game right out of the box.

ACTUALLY, Move ends up being a little more expensive because at some point, ur gunna wanna play a shooter like Socom 4 so thats 150 bux PLUS the navigation controller(which u WILL buy because using the Dualshock 3 as a nav controller is uncomfortable and awkward as hell). So thats another 30 bux.

When its all said and done:

The complete Playstation Move experience is $180 bux(assuming u buy the Move bundle in which u essentially get a game for 10 bux)

The complete Kinect experience will cost you $150 bux. HOWEVER, I believe Kinect games are 20 bux more than PS Move games. So in the end, there both EQUALLY expensive.

[PCnPS3Gamer]

think about the experiences and vareity your getting which one is worth your money.....take your fanboy googles off man.....either way more than just casual gamers are going to enjoy the move. hardcore gamers say high....gamers that want real games not party games say high.....theres a reason move cost more its better..

extra controllers were always expensive for christ sake 4 dual shock 3's cost 230 with tax back in the day...4 360 controllers what like 260. the wands are cheaper then dualshock 3 yet more technicallogilly advanced what more could you ask for newer tech thats cheaper than older discounted tech...

no body complained about the wii perpherials and there games are mostly crap atleast sonys making good games for move, and adding tons of support for already released games....not to mention in the comparison they use a 120gb ps3 with blu ray wifi,and a ds3 controller sports champions included, then for the 360 the put a spring arcade something for like 149.00 im guessing it has no hdd or wifi. like come on you get what you pay for so what its more money your getting more so damn right it better cost more fucking morons.

learn how to shop properly and know when your getting ripped off or when your getting a good deal. hell ill admit the move is hefty in price but if you want the latest tech you got to be willing to pay for it cant always get your cake and eat it too. its not like sony are price fixing or hiking it up...atleast the options there if you have the money. like 3d for example dont bitch at sony for giving you a free firmware that makes your ps3 3d compatible becuz u cant afford a 3d tv thats not sonys fault...grow up...

if you cant afford it dont blame sony blame urself for not making enough money or for wanting things you cant afford then bittching at sony...and just buy kinect and play the most boring casual games with no live support haha. kinect is a joke if it doesnt fail im moving to japan lol i like my western games please dont make me go there guys....

i bet most families want blu ray in their homes also avater 3d blu ray anyone....you can try to bash sony all you want but their in a perfect position to dominate.....and you know it, and you know why, dont make me write it all down.

flame bait bs as someone confirmed for me down below theyre not even adding the 360 lol waste of time whoever approves this can go fall in a well and die for all i care....make me sick....gaming journalism at its finest ehhh /s

[birchoff]

You forgot one thing though, the games to the Move will probably be more fun because of the uberawesome-accuracy of the Move, while disKinect probably won't be even close - which in the end made you(360-fanboy) buy something for $150 that's totally useless.

So... should I buy something totally useless for $150, or should I buy something that's uberawesome for some more?

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

@birchoff

You couldn't have choose any worse perspective.

Deadreckoning there is the kind of fanboy that bought HD DVD add on, Vision camera, overpriced HDD and WiFi adapter, deffective hardware and on top of it, he also pay for Live to have online gaming and exclusives like Netflix, Facebook and other crap available everywhere else. I think he just don't care if the damn thing works or if it is worth the price... If it has a MS brand in it, deal.

So don't feed the troll, the same stupid point he's trying to made has been posted here like 10 times and two articles already... And everyone still don't give this point any credit.

[gamer7804]

This is one of the first comments to get the pricing exactly right. For a full single player setup to play the games out right now, it will cost you 180$. For 1 person!

[Games4M - Rob]

Firstly there arent any games "available right now" so your wrong from the start.

Second you dont NEED 2 Move controllers. There are shitloads of games that only need 1 x Move and 1 x Navigator and only a tiny few that require 2 x Move.

I couldnt give a crap about the fighting game but i am certainly interested in SOCOM 4 and KZ3 with Move - so for me and the millions of others like me, Move is a far cheaper option compared to Kinect.

[SOAD]

The reasoning behind this family bullshit is that this site believes MS and Sony are marketing Kinect and MOVE for casuals and family play, so MS will definitely want the family type shoppers to think that Kinect is a better value for family gamers while MOVE would require more of those wands for 4 or so players.

[colonel179]

They are taking into consideration the cost of the CONSOLES WII and PS3 but NOT the 360!. They are saying that kinect is the console, which is NOT!

So 349.97+ 299.99 = 649.96 for Xbox 360 PLUS Kinect

[commodore64]

@ colonel

No, you are wrong.
Did you actually read the article?

They included the cost of the $150 arcade 360.
Thus, a family can buy a 360 with controller + kinect + game for $350.

I think it's good value, for the casuals.
This configuration will play all the games, including kinect games.

Harcore gamers no doubt want the 250gb hdd, but the key here is that families are given a low cost CHOICE to experience kinect.

[colonel179]

Yeah... I'm blind, ignore my comment

[zeeshan]

Yeah so now the Move iz dOOoOoMmMEeedd!!! /s

[Viper7]

Include the price of the apartment/rent for Natal, I for one would need to do some serious re-organizing in my home to get enough space for it. As for HC gamers its all about:

"A gigantic television in a tiny apartment. That is gaming." - K.B

They also forgot the hospital fees, as to fit 4 people on a line with tv will take absurd amount of room to be "safe" from the players hitting each other to death. Also all objects near the area are at risk.

and before some fanboy tries to argue that I am too poor because I don't own a big apartment (which is true as I am still a student and I live in family of five) should note the living habits of people all over the world differ a lot and that the subject is about something being cheaper:

"For Family of Four; PS Move is >_Most Expensive_<; Kinect Less Than Wii"

[-MD-]

Apparently not many people on this site have friends.

[MORGiON]

keep acting like you do and you never will.....

[Ult iMate]

Agree. I'm not going to entertain a crowd of drunk friends with Move or my family ))) , because I only go for core games. And Sony concentrated more on core games for Move and not on family casual games.

Killzone 3
Sorcery
LittleBigPlanet 2
Resident Evil 5 Gold Edition
Dead Space Extraction
Time Crisis
SOCOM 4
Sly Collection
Heavy Rain
Tron Evolution
R.U.S.E.
Heroes on the Move

[vhero]

Actually Kinect is in second as the arcade is no longer being produced so they should list the new model 360 there instead of the arcade so its $500. Thing with this bundle is. Still cheaper than PS move but the point remains its not the cheapest but I love how people do research on these things and "forget" simple things like that. They also included $30 for nunchuck. If you have 4 controls you don't need them like sony said you can use the nunchuck a DS3 or another Move controller. They are despretly trying to up PS3's price to as high as they can and the 360 as low as they can.

[Ult iMate]

And you forget that you may have to buy a whole new house with a special room large enough for four people, playing Kinect.

[RedDevils]

I think if M$ show 4 people playing Kinect, I bet the media will haunt them because of how laggy it is

[kerrak]

Average household size in USA: 2,61

[DaTruth]

Because you have to rent out a banquet hall or gymnasium to play without injuries!/s

Personally, I'd be more afraid of the price of the one where they are 4 months from release and still afraid to tell us the price!

[Syronicus]

Move might be the more expensive of them all but it is the only one that will give you true 1:1 motion control. You get what you pay for in this case.

[rexus12345]

agree @ Nitrowolf2
The article is very deceptive by making the assumptions that if a family of 4 buy a console, all family members will be playing at the same sime, and they will only play motion-control games.

[Silentscope]

This is exactly what people need to see so that they can determine for themselves what they are going to purchase. Everyone also needs to keep in mind that the prices used for Kinect are all speculative and have not been confirmed by Microsoft.

[Theoneneo81]

Actaully if you wanna start saving money Nab up a use PS eye toy on ebay i just bought one for 20 bucks tonight so now i just have to get the 2 moves so i saved atleast 30 bucks for me if i wanna get to move sticks.

[dktxx2]

For a family of four, you wouldn't need a controller for each. Very few games have 4 way slit screen. and in most games you would simply hand the controller to someone else when your done.

[JeffGrubb]

So you could need four for two people...

And there are plenty of games that have four players playing simultaneously. I would imagine the table tennis game will feature doubles.

[baodeus]

i think you are wrong there. Almost all game on Wii you can play with 4 people at onces (split or no split screen depend on the game), but that is the point, they don't pass on the controllers. Wii is built for coop and family oriented so watching your family member playing while you wait just kinda take that whole family experience away. Now unless you only play by your self, then by all mean wii or move is quite cheaper.

[kerrak]

Sorry but watching your family play is much more fun that play all 4 members at once. Not every member wants to play all the time.

[absolutecarnage]

the Kinect costs $199.98 for 4 players to play and a game they just added wrong lol

[JeffGrubb]

Add $149.99 to that.

[JackBNimble]

but if you want a console with an HDD you need to add $300 not $150, it's funny you guys seem to forget about that or is the 360 arcaded standard?

[R2D2]

Get you head out of your arse man. The article is talking about casuals, not hardcores like you.

[NewNameNow]

...Kinect has no games

[absolutecarnage]

I have a family, and will be buying for my kids to play with, I don`t care what you say I have read enough and saw enough to realize that kinect isn`t as bad as some some people make it out to be. I would have loved to see Microsoft show kinect in a more mature game , but you have to be a blind fan boy to think that theres no chance of that happening

[LiquifiedArt]

your going to be severly dissapointed. It will be a "use for a week" and never again kind of thing, but thats your consumer freedom.

[Absolut_Turkey]

You say you're going to be buying Kinect eh? As soon as you do, please post a video showing us just how much "fun" you and your family are having. In fact I dare ANYONE planing on purchasing a Kinect to post a video of them using it. Ha! This is going to be entertaining.

[RedDevils]

I would definitely upload it to failblog :)

[kerrak]

I agree that Kinect can deliver the type of fun experiences you already experienced when you bought your wii. Keep in mind it will feel less fresh.

And i also agree that with this lineup of games Kinect, will be a one-trick pony, quickly collecting dust the same as milions of Wiis in the world.

[CobraKai]

And no vibration.

[absolutecarnage]

I see someone post a video of someone throwing there move controller through their brand new 3d TV Now That's going to be priceless. and I guarantee it's only going to be a manner of time before it happens

[Ult iMate]

absolutecarnage, you say that as if noone would smash their plasma TVs with bare hands or feet or accidentally kicked child, while playing Ricochet.

[jack_burt0n]

49.99, its all ppl will see, just like buying a useless xbox arcade without a HDD or any nintendo product because they all carry a 300% markup.

The casuals dont mind. $399 is Wii HD with Bluray, free online, movies on demand etc etc

[baodeus]

actually jack, it is not quite useless anymore to buy xbox arcade (you can use external HDD now with it, although it is limited to 2x16gig kinda stupid i would say, but it is a pretty good option nonetheless if you already have exteral HDD or USP.

Blue ray movie is great, but i rather pay $9/month on netflix to rent blueray movie and stream HD movies/shows etc... than buying it (too expensive). Free online is great, but i think motion gaming is for family gathering, i don't think they really care about online play with people who they don't really know. And please, don't make it sound like PS3 is the only one with movies on demand etc...

[fr0sty]

we've yet to see kinect even handle 4 people at the same time. maybe with voice recognition only, but i don't see 4 people fitting in it's field of view in a normal living room environment.

[absolutecarnage]

Your right we didn`t see 4 players, I wonder

[JeffGrubb]

... some other people on the floor said they saw 4 people at the same time, but certainly 3.

[Ivan Drago IV]

Ok lets do the math shall we.. PS move bundle pack, extra PS move controller, PS move sub controller comes out to be $179.99. Kinect with one game comes out to $209.99, remember Kinect doesnt come with a game AND Kinect games are $20.00 more expensive then Move games, so you are also saving a lot more money in the long term with move.

Jesus, people are so narrow minded they dont actually look at facts are just go off knee jerk reactions.

[whydoyouask]

Sku's will come out that include the Kinect and games for it.

[T9X69]

Why would you buy 2 Moves and only 1 sub-controller? You would need to buy another sub-controller which makes the total price change to $210 plus tax. You need to buy a game with the Move as well because a demo isn't going to cut it, so add one game and your at $250. That's just to play ONE game with more than one person with the Move, Kinect is like you said $210 for Kinect as well as one full game for up to 4 players instead of 2.

If you want to get technical you could add in the cost of the consoles as well, Arcade is $150, and a new PS3 is $300. So the casual game that owns neither will be like hmmmmm should I spend $360 for Xbox, Kinect, and one game? Or spend $550 for PS3, 2 Move controllers, 2 sub-controllers, and a game?

Its not a surprise that Sony's stuff is more expensive, they always start out at high prices then go down over time. Which is exactly why PS3 are selling like hot cakes because there $299 instead of $499 and up.

[Qui-Gon Jim]

That's exactly what I plan on doing. The games that use the Navigator controller, I will only ever play one-player, or if I do play two, I will use my dualshock for myself. I want two Move controllers, though, for multi-player and for the games that will be better with two.

[Garnett]

Wrong, We dont know how much Kinect is, but assuming its bundled with all Xbox 360 units, then we can say Kinect will be as cheap as $150. Plus it might come with 2 free games.

Move on the other hand, not so much.

[Silber]

Who says that Kinect will not come with a Game. Iam pretty sure it will be at least one Game in the Package.

And no one have told us the price of Kinect. Microsoft is looking into subsidize Kinect, so it woud be much cheaper with a financial loss on each sold Kinect.

[Stryfeno2]

Sony's sh@t are always expensive...Launch PS3, PSP GO, ect...

[ActionBastard]

I personally think a $300 DVD player (I'd add Netflix, but you have to pay to use it) is expensive. And $100 N WiFi adapters. Or $129 for 250GB hard drive. Or $70 16GB USB sticks. Or...you get the point.

[baodeus]

you know what action bastard, i bought a $150 N router for the entire house, i just hook up the xbox to it with a cable. Now if you really must put x360 somewhere like in the REST ROOM, then by all mean, get a signal enhancer (~$20) and hook your xbox to it. Why spend $100 just for an N adapter (why all accessories are so expansive)? But there are alternatives you know.

For the record, $150 N router is so worth the money. Streaming HD on netflix is like a dream. Should get it if you have high speed connection.

[BigPenguin]

Are you saying how awesome your N router is for streaming HD to your Xbox? Did you just say that right after you said you have your 360 hardwired? Do you know that N stands for 802.11N which is a wireless protocol? Are you an idiot who purchased an N router, hardwired your 360 to it, and are now saying that it is responsible for how fast your 360 streams? This is why you get made fun of.

And my final mocking is, lols, you spent $150 on a N router? Good job overpaying.

[BYE]

I rather pay for good, relieable hardware than for playing online.

[KILLERAPP]

Lame argument, people are picking at straws right now, even if natal was 50 dollars after that E3 press conference MS is going to have a hard time convincing people there are hardcore games, while Sony and Nintendo already has hardcore games...

[ActionBastard]

I pre-ordered 2 wand controllers and Sports Champions (already have the Eye). I grabbed 2 Moves simply for the 2 in 1 functionality I feel I'm getting. When I'm solo playing and can use 2 Wands, I will. If my girls want to play each other, they can. Every Move specific title can be played with one Move controller, there's no gun to my head or anyone else's to get a Nav controller (although it is slick as hell and only $30). I have a Wii with 2 motes and 2 chuks, never had a need for more...in a family of 5. The ButtHurt Gang can Chicken Little it all they want, won't change what was shown at E3.

[whydoyouask]

...your kind of a douche.

[eggbert]

PS Move games are $20 cheaper.

[baodeus]

@eggbert,

how come i don't see you guys factor in Blue Ray movies?

[Biggest]

Factor them into what? You can buy BluRay combo packs for $20 on most new releases. You get a BluRay and DVD for the price of a DVD. But what in the hell does that have to do with this topic?

[Tony-A]

If they weren't adding things that aren't needed for two of the consoles (or at least can be bought later on), and claiming free or cheap for the others. If they're adding 2 extra unnecessary controllers (because no one plays Wii with 4 players at once and most Kinect games don't even use more than 2), then:

Wii:

$150 Wii
Free Game (2)
$150 3 Wii-motes
$20 Nunchuck

$320 Total

PS3:

$400 Bundle
Free Game
$150 3 Move controllers
$30 Nav

$580 Total

360:

$150 Arcade
$60 Kinect Games
$100 WiFi
$100 120GB HDD
Kinect Adapter (is it free?)

$410 Total

And if you Don't add the unnecessary:

Wii:

$150 Wii
Free Games

$150 Total

PS3:

$400 Bundle
Free Game

$400 Total

360:

$400 Kinect Bundle
$60 Game

$460 Total

Or am I missing something? I might be.

[Tony-A]

Damn.... I forgot XBL's price.

360:

$400 Kinect Bundle
$60 Game
$50 Annual XBL Sub.

$510 Total

[Seece]

So many things wrong with this.

For starters, a game will be bundled with Kinect and it'll most likely be Kinect Sports. It's a given.

You don't NEED wireless whatsoever to play Kinect.

You don't NEED a HD, especially a 120GB. Not to mention they'll more than likely add a 20GB to the upcoming arcade slim. It'll cost them pennys.

Kinect adaptor is free.

Also, going by recent Microsoft comments about pricing competitively, Kinect is going to be around $99 - $119.

Given the arcade slim hasn't had a price drop since xmas 08, the fact that it's slim and the fact that they will have been able to massively cut down costs, expect a $149 arcade to be permanant come november.

Arcade slim + Kinect = $249. I called it.

[djhsecondnature]

According to reports, you need to install some software for Kinect so you would need a HDD.

[sashimi]

People never look at the long term cost with M$ products..Sh!t adds up.
Well people do know but just ignore facts.

[slutface]

like really....when do four people ever play simultaneously?! i have a wii and its usually just two people playing at a time lol.

[Darkspade]

Buy the one you want, I be buying both not sure about 2 move controllers eve though they show some games with 2 but only sell singles.. (thanks sony).. My Kids Love the Eyetoy so I know they'll play the hell out of Kinect.. PS Move will See nothing I want to play yet,

[Fart_Bomb_Fire]

it still doesn't equal the price that all the xbox fanboys have paid for all the
xbox consoles they have bought after rrod.

lol

[whydoyouask]

OH MAN! THE RROD PROBLEM AGAIN!?

way to beat a dead horse, dick.

[Silber]

yes please not this again. And even this, we don´t pay a penny for it, Microsoft sends us a brand new box within a Week.

[Smootherkuzz]

This the price we pay to play video games, just add 3D to your lists and go all the way, 3d TV's over priced,3d glasses over priced and I heard a certain company say that 3d and 2d games will be included with some games well don't that help to keep the price up, If I buy 3D what do I want 2d for, leave 2d out and give me more 3D content and if I buy 2d leave 3d out and give me more content. and why is the two move contollers sold in two pieces when they know dam well you need both.then there is that other company who keeps releasing new consoles lets hope this is the last one for awhile, one thing I like about Kinect is it don't have to be charged. keep gaming, but spend wisely.

[shqype]

The more casual games require only 1 Move controller per person. Some more advanced games require 2 Move controllers. Some games work best with 1 Move controller and 1 directional controller, but you can instead use 1 Move controller and 1 Dualshock 3 for directional control.

I think the best setup for any PS3 user to get the most logical use of PS Move is to buy 2 Move controllers and 1 directional controller. That is MRSP of 50 + 50 + 30, or $130, if the PS3 owner already has a PS Eye. Then you just buy whatever game you like.

[rdgneoz3]

"not sure about 2 move controllers eve though they show some games with 2 but only sell singles" those games, its optional to use 2 controllers. You can play them just fine with only 1 controller. And if you're only buying 1 game to play with move, buying an additional controller may be pricey. But the games are 40 compared to M$'s 60 dollar Kinect games, so you'll be saving in the long run with 1 or 2 move controllers compared to kinect.

[Funky Town_TX]

2 years ago no one on N4G cared about motion controls. Now that Sony and M$ say you should then you do. Gamers lost their backbones June of 2010. Say what you want but it's true. PS4 and xbox 720 will be motion control consoles with sh8t games. I can't wait to play party games next gen guys.

[shqype]

I've been gaming for almost 20 years, starting with the Nintendo Entertainment System. I've cared about motion control since I knew it was an option.

I thought one of the coolest games to play were those arcade games with the gun accessories, like Time Crisis, which some may consider a precursor to modern motion control. When the Wii came out, I thought it was cool, and I even enjoyed playing some Wii games, such as tennis and boxing. However, it became apparent to me that the Wii was a fad, and not only were most of its games lackluster, but the motion control was a gimmick (waggle isn't "real" motion control).

Now with Sony's offering with the PS Move, I can finally have REAL motion control that accurately and precisely detects not only motion, but the depth of my motion. With this motion control, the depth and intensity of your moves matter. Given the fact that Move games are capable of the amazing HD visuals I've come to expect on my PS3, I'm really excited for this direction in gaming.

Because Sony is offering not only casual titles for its motion control, but also hardcore titles, I can rest assured that I, as a core gamer, will be taken care of. I can't wait for SOCOM 4, Sorcery, Killzone 3, and the other hardcore games that Sony will throw my way in the near future :)

[crutoi]

guys, if you cant afford the toys get jobs :)

$20 here and $20 there is not a big deal...

both of these cost about the same, so cost doesnt really matter, its the best experience that counts.

MSFT has a good idea, but unfortunately its directed towards a family gaming, Move is mostly targeted at family but can also do hardcore games.

You as a proud console owner(whatever that might be) should be looking for the best possible solution for YOU.

i guess it is true that 15 year olds(that dont have real jobs) are on Xbox, and grown ups(that can actually afford a ps3) play ps3 :)

[CellularDivision]

According to the comments, PSMove is NOT for the family, but for the individual.
But Kinect is better for the family.

[Qui-Gon Jim]

When comparing console prices, one side says we should just look at the entry level price, because that's all that matters, while the other side says we need to add in all the extras to compare value. When it comes to the motion controllers, the sides flip-flop.

[BYE]

Singstar, Buzz and Rockband are working good with more than two players, for anything else it's just clusterfuck.

Probably none of the people making those articles will EVER play a Move or a Kinect game with 4 people on one screen.

[tiamat5]

I do believe dktxx2 and rdgneoz3 are right .So far none of the games seem to require 4 controllers. Most of the games seem to be either 2 players or passing the Move controller back and forth. So if you have a family of four you still can buy one Move Wand for now. You won't even have to buy the nav. Meaning that plus the camera is only $80.00. So this article is BS. On that note everyone keeps boasting that Kinect can work with 4 people on the cam but on seeing the motions that have to be made to play the games and how close I will be standing next to other people I have a question for Microsoft. When I inevitability knock my kids, wife or friends to the floor with a punch, kick, sweep or headbut, who should I mail the court summons to?

[Ps_alm3k]

the almighty Kevin Butler...

Gamers are the one with The big HD Tv in their small apartments.
Kinect requires some space.

[strickers]

I own 2 Wii pads.How many people own 4?You borrow from other like minded,if you want to play 4 player.I don't think I've ever played more than 2 on the Wii.Played 4 player Little Big Planet but most Wii games with more than 2 players are pass the pad.Many Move games will be the same.2 wands and 1 nav will do me,I have PSEye already.

[ILLINOIS]

Most of the time the best things cost the most. The PS3 Move is the best choice easy. Do yourself a favor and buy a Move.

[strickers]

I forgot.You don't NEED Nav controllers.Dualshocks are confirmed as an alternative.I have 2 Sixaxis and 2 Dualshocks.The Move costs the same as a Dualshock.What games will really be good with 4 players?4 players in front of the TV will be interesting and based on the ? over Kinect accuracy already,it will be worse with 4.

[clonerz]

u ppl seem to b forgtn that u need hrd drv on xbox for kinect to wrk so 199.99 is nill 299.99 mo like it

[gynecologistcobra]

Memory card.

[Silber]

I cannot imagine 4 people in front of the TV in normal Living Room. Mostly they are smaller. I saw this with the Wii, its not a good expierence when 4 Players swing their Arms.

Beside that, i personally bought 4 Controllers for any Console (PSone, PS2, PS3, Xbox, Xbox 360, Gamecube) to play with my Friends. But with standard Controllers its much easier to play in a small Room, than dancing wild around^^

[mac_sparrow]

Move looks to be the only one that works properly.

[Shnazzyone]

Your gonna need a warehouse for 4 people to get in front of kinect at one time... also... we haven't seen anything showing 4 players enjoying kinect at the same time. SO why are we assuming it supports 4 players?

Everything i saw never broke 2 players. Maybe i'll buy this if he can show one game that plays with 4 players on kinect. Is kinect smart enough to allow turns because that's the only way anything over 2 players is ever going to work

Also... how come the price doesn't include an HD for the xbox, Notice how the 360S is marked "Kinect Ready" My guess is you seriously require an HD to run it. Meaning that kinect being cheaper just flew out the window.

[djreplay]

Hardly any games use 4 move controllers

[Seece]

IF Microsoft does need a HD. They'll add 20GB to the arcade, and sell 20GB dirt cheap or bundle it with Kinect.

It's no secret these HDD's are dirt cheap and Microsoft just like to gauge as much money from the consumer as humanly possibly.

When they want mass adoption they change tactis and they sell cheap.

They never needed to sell HDD's cheap in the past, or wi-fi. So carry on with this "Microsoft peripherals are stupidly expensive" but you're just ignoring the logic behind it.

[Sarevok]

Well you cant dance around like a retard -kinect-with move. But you can use move for other things

http://static.gamesradar.co...

[silvacrest]

i no for the sake of the casuals the article uses the cheapest 360 available but is that realistic? even for casuals? im sure i read somewhere that the arcade SKU does not account for most 360 sales but again thats probably because hardcore gamers wanted a hard drive and casuals may not care

[123360]

well sony,s works thats what counts,plus its a 3d bluray player,3d gaming system so why waste your money on the other two dead format games system

[Chrissy]

This has to be the only site where a fanbase wants one of these wii clones to succeed and this is after years and years of bashing waggle yet now they are seemingly alright with the exact same product just cuz its made by their precious company of choice.

Sony fanboys your really are shameless.

Hope both of these abominations fail.

[BDSE]

At least it works.

[PhilipLarkin]

The Kinect is a family tailored controller designer for two or more people. The Move, while also having a pop at the casual, is focused also on Killzone 3, SOCOM 4, etc etc. Sony aren't really expecting people to get 4 Moves - just one or two, and do a 'pass the Move' thing. Case in point: Table Tennis - why have four Moves when you only need two?

[adram]

Move For Family of Four is expansive
Kinect for family of four is impossible.

thank you

[BBAM]

But I'm assuming the site is taking into account that the navigation controller can be replaced with a Dualshock3 controller? Because of course it'd be terrible journalism to not look into what they're talking about.
So if price really is an issue, then you can just use the dualshock controllers.
Also to the inevitable disagrees who'll moan not everyone has more than one controller, if that's the case your ps3 obviously isn't for the family to play on so why would you be looking into a 'family' set anyway?
For me, I already have 4 controllers so will be waiting for the verdict on whether the navigation controller is better to use.
The point of price is whether it's worth if for the games. Going off E3, the Move has more diverse uses.
This is ofcourse my own opinion so don't get butt hurt over it.

[paradigmfellow]

I dont know about you but.... The move only does 2 people that is what Sony mentioned in March. Nothing wrong with that but I do not see people playing four player games nowadays.

[Makidian]

The entire article is fundamentally flawed because it assumes that a four person family will actually use four controllers or actually play at the same time. I have a five person family, and we have never played with more than two people at once. Four people playing at the same time would be a pain on or off screen and I can't stand up for long periods and play games so that automatically disqualifies Kinect from being useful in my household since I am the primary gamer. My initial Move investment will only be $80, and eventually I will grab a second set on sale but there aren't enough reasons to justify the purchase of four separate pairs. Not being able to sit is going to turn a lot of the casual crowd off because let's face it, there aren't that many people that have Wii's and stand up to play games. The only time I think I could have four people playing a game and standing in my house would be with a golf game and the only golf game we play in my house is Hot Shots Golf and (to my disappointment) there wasn't a new HSG announced. The initial investment, which is what most people will be looking at when making these purchases will be what drives sales and for most the Move will be $130(Bundle plus Nav.) so it's not too far off from Kinect but it's a shame that Kinect games are pricing themselves out of the market already by being full priced. It doesn't matter that Microsoft hasn't announced pricing since every single retailer agrees on price then Occam's Razor tells you that is the price. Kinect will have the least future investment on hardware but the most expensive software which is what will drive sales and use, the Wii and PS3 have the most hardware investment but the least in software which is why Wii sales are so robust.

[baraka007]

Kinect needs a hard drive so you can't use the 149 arcade unit to make it look cheaper. So with a 299 system it's still 500+ for people without a system to use Kinect. Move games are only 39.99 btw and WII games are cheap too not 59.99. In the end the cost is pretty much the same and most people aren't planning to buy 4+ move controllers just like most people don't have 4+ WII motes. Also Nintendo and Sony have at least some motion games people like playing so even if they end up costing more no one cares. Kinect has 0 games I want to play and I don't see any games even being made for it that I will like in the future. So even if it's free, I don't need or want it. The fact that all of these articles talk about the hardware, and none of them talk about the games, I think says a lot about Kinect. If you guys like Kinect then buy it but please random bloggers stop trying to tell me it's cheap, great, and there's something wrong with me if I don't like it. I play good games and until you show me some for Kinect I don't care what it costs or how many people buy it.