iD's Rage Shows The Xbox 360 Still Has It

Meodia writes, "Oh it was, and to your surprise, not on a PC. No, not even on the PS3 powerhouse. It was being shown off on the Xbox 360. 60 FPS on what had to be the best looking multiplatform game I've ever seen. Did not experience any hiccups, any frame tearing or any slowdowns. Truly a technical marvel when you remember the hardware they're using is of 5 years old or older!"

[Detroitnews]

What iD did with console hardware is baffling. You'd expect this kind of performance from PC games.

[ipwnall]

But it was fun as hell! Reminded me of a Fallout 3 but with much less fail.

[Immortal Kaim]

Did you play it? Can you give details of your experience if so? Cheers.

@ Dead

Would love a link mate, Rage has well an truly popped up on my radar.

@ipwnall again

Yeah sorry mate, didn't realise you were author of the article. I read it (and it was great), just scrambling for some more info :) Cheers

No way...No way, that looks so damn incredible...How is that possible? I mean, not just the graphics, but the large environments, 60FPS, amazing animations... It just looks too damn good. Cant wait to see HD vid of Rage. The thought of this engine being used in other games is really exciting as well.

[ipwnall]

It's all in the article friend ;).

But some quick details. Smooth as hell, you can really tell it was 60FPS, tight controls, felt like a true FPS game. Recoil was amazing, not too much, not too bad. Balanced because enemies were tough as nails to kill due to their intelligence and would team up on you. But weapons get the job done quick.

Here you go Kaim, some in game footage

http://e3.g4tv.com/thefeed/...

[N4G king]

im sure it'll look great on all consoles but PC will have the edge
but I might get it on the PS3 since the 360 version will have multiple disks and I hate disk swapping, so pre-last gen
now fill me in, this game is some how like fallout 3 right ??

[yess]

That absolutly looks amazing..

Its on my list for sure.

[Conloles]

iD really know how to push stuff to its limit, having said that if the Xbox version looks amazing just imagine how much better the PC version will look.

[kancerkid]

Remember, all the people who actually know anything about Console Technology don't think PS3 is ungodly powerful like fanboys proclaim but in fact can acknowledge the Pro/cons of each console.

[Hallmark Moment]

I agree...

Not many people think that anymore after seeing Crysis 2, Halo Reach, Brink and now this game running on the 360. Hell I thought Alan Wake and Gears of War 3 and Red Dead Redemption/360-version shattered those myths. The 360 is hungry for more powerful engines after all those dime a dozen multi platform engines.

Hand painted and hand built environments just like Uncharted and other PS3 games. Finally this is what you get when developers use the same techniques on the 360(the best looking game on consoles, ever)

The 360's RAM and GPU truly shines in this game. If the 360 had more disc space it would be untouched.

More hand crafted game design please and less procedural techniques. I don't care if you have to use 4 discs to do it.

[HolyOrangeCows]

This goes to show you what time and effort does.

Unlike most of the 360's McDonald's style of output developers, iD is working on maximizing the game's efficiency in the way it runs.

[ShinMaster]

It looks more interesting than Fallout so far.

[Dude420]

Ohhhh shhuuutttt uuuupppp. Geez you guys get so pathetically annoying just because this was possible on the 360. Instead of congratulating the efforts of iD, you attempt to bring the game down just because it's multi-plat. It's the same damn thing with MGS: Rising, just because it's on the 360 you immediately downplay it. If it was only on PS3 looking the same, you guys would be praising it like there's no tomorrow.

First of all you guys were only touting the power of the PS3, now you turn to the, "but the PS3 has more titles with good graphics!". Face it, the 360 is finally starting to show its muscle with Gears 3 and Halo Reach and it only brings more competition on both sides. I find it amazing you guys are trying to nit pick Rage like crazy just to downplay it. It looks amazing and it runs at 60fps, case closed. It's amazing how much denial I see from you guys.

I'm not saying Rage blows KZ3 or Reach out of the water, but it's definitely up at the same level. Fanboys of both sides need to stop this BS and just enjoy the freakin games.

Edit: @ cLick_sLiCK

Thx, I already know what's going on here anyway lol, I just get tired sometimes of seeing the usual comments on this site instead of discussing about the game itself. You know what though, I'm not even going to waste my time arguing with people with the minds of children. If they post the same BS again then whatever.

[cLiCK_sLiCK9]

Welcome to the N4G effect. Enjoy your stay.

[AtatakaiSamurai]

*itch slapping 101

[Fruit Loops]

haha ;]

[ThanatosDMC]

Wow, they come out in hoards dont they?

Anyway, this is great news for 360 owners. I hope other developers can step up their game.

[deadreckoning666]

I saw it on G4 earlier...new graphics king on consoles easily, whats scary is that it'll look even better by next year. And not only the graphics, but the animations were unbelievable. It had some of the most dynamic enemy A.I. I've ever seen.

@Immortal Kain- It's probably on G4s website right now. The first half of the presentation was posted on N4G, but it's in very low quality. I'm very excited for this game. Its looking like 2011 will without a doubt be the best year for gaming so far.

[n4gno]

new king for 360, probably..

can't compete with kings on ps3, even if devs are the best hardware can't change.

by the way, we've ever read that before with halo, with alan drake, and everyone knows now that xbox don't play in the same league.

[DaTruth]

You really want to do this again? So you can hide from all the articles when the game releases and the graphics suck!

Why do you guys keep doing this to yourselves???

[Sevir04]

Yes we know the 360 can push impressive graphics but only impressive for the 360... when you start to compare it to the 360 then that turns out to be a dud. one only has to look at GT5, UC2, KZ2 and KZ3 hell lets go to Motorstorm apacalypes and GOW3 and you see just how silly it is. you guys should start comparing 360 games to 360 games... because you hate it when we bring up PS3 exclusives.

Rage looks great. in fact it looks better than Reach. reach is all over the show floor for MS and it's looks better than Halo3 but it's graphics arent even pared with gears 2, and once again Gears 3 looks like the same old Gears 2. nothing impressive.

Sorry but after playing Both KZ3 and GT5 yesterday I really cant be impressed by multiplat games which barely break benchmarks set in 2008. we are in 2010, and quite frankly only 2 games are fending of most of these new games readying for release and incidentaly they BOTH have the claim to be PS3 exclusives. and it Shows.

[sparta76]

@dead & all 360 fans
the same with
Alan wake
mw2
splinter cell
me2
odst
and many, many more.
Just wait till the game comes out. Before u guys say is the best looking game ever!!!
Lmfao at hallmark and dude!!!

[Nihilism]

You wouldn't believe how much John Carmack can accomplish.

There are quite a lot of modern game engines using parts of the quake engine code.

Other developers use technology in their engines, J.C is the man that makes them.

He basically invented ambient occlusion for 1, Doom 3 I think was the first game to use it, Megatextures is another crazy tech he's invented.

You should look up youtube vids of him building rockets to compete with NASA engineers in his spare time...no joke

EDIT:

That game footage brings joy to this cold dead gamers heart...

Just thinking of all the crap team america-esque shooters we have been shovelled, and then we get this beautiful masterpeice...

What's even more shocking

"Doom 4 will look significantly better than Rage" - John Carmack *blinks trying to comprehend the possibility of such a thing*

More info on august 25th at quake con...dead space 2 needs to be knocked of it's pedestal like Betty White gets KTFO in the new snickers add...

[BkaY]

JC is one hell of a programmer... id was unstoppable when JR was with them.. i dont whether JOHN ROMERO is still with ID or not..

i know most you guy didnt like DOOM3.. but man did i enjoy tht game...
i am not a FPS fan... but i will buy Rage and DOOM4 day freakin 1..

peace

[PELVIC THRUST ACTION]

John Romero left ID right after Quake. He went to make his own game company which did Daikatana. Romero had the ideas for games while Carmack did the engines and coding. There was a huge clash between them and they got on each others nerves and eventually lead to the split. Romero is out there somewhere. Probably telling people the story of Daikatana.

[Mista T]

I love this, it's much better than New Vegas, the character animation might be better than even killzone, even the enemy hit reactions are quite amazing. Really interested in this game

also what I love is the simplicity, reminds me of Doom, I hope Doom 4 is like this. looks like iD has a hit on there hands
watch
http://e3.g4tv.com/videos/4...

[Vip3r]

ID make the COD4 engine so it's obvious RAGE will shine when it comes to looks and performance.

[Nihilism]

I.D did not make that engine, that engine is using some of their technology.

I can take some great components and put them in a PC, but 1 good component in a crap system does not a good PC game, same with lazy developers not using good tech in game engines.

UE3 is also en extremely good engine, console devs just have not made good use of it, UT3 on PC looks outstanding, so you cannot judge the engine components based on poor games.

You need to remeber that I.D literally created the TPS genre, and I.D tech engines have always been the best engines of their era.

@Philaroni

Nice try girl, but you fail hard, gtx480 memory bandwidth= 177gb/s

[tplarkin7]

I haven't seen anything on PS3 that can't be done on 360. If anyone disagrees please be specific. Don't just say, "KZ2 and UC2 is da bomb". Give me something technical.

[RememberThe357]

Plus, you didn't give us anything technical either. Personally I can only speak on what I see and so far Rage has been the only game that has shown these types of graphics on the 360.

I've never been one to say that the PS3 is the most powerful console because I have no idea what all those damn numbers mean. But I have been one to say the the PS3 has the best developers. What we will see with rage will be surpassed by the PS3 exclusive that same year. You can save this to your favorites and quote me at the end of 2011 if you can remember it this long.

[seij555]

Sorry but, KZ2, KZ3, Uncharted 1 and 2, GOW3, and GT5 all look better than anything on the 360. From effects to textures, framerate, screen tearing, lighting, etc.

[IHateYouFanboys]

@seij555:

Textures? Killzone 2 uses low resolution muddy textures.

Framerate? 30fps cant be done on the 360? really? cause Killzone 2/3 maxes out at 30fps, so does Uncharted 1/2. GOW3 runs at 30fps the majority of the time too. GT5 is 60fps, no doubt......but so is Forza 3, never even dropping a single frame anywhere in the game. MW and MW2, 2 of the highest profile games on ANY console, are also 60fps on the 360 and feature better performance than on the PS3.

Screen tearing? Uncharted 1 tore every 3rd frame or so.

Lighting? go rent a 360 and alan wake, then tell me what console has the game with the best lighting. hint: its not the PS3.

the 360 has a better GPU on paper and in reality. the 360 has a better RAM setup on paper and in reality. these are the 2 most important things for graphics. the third most important however, is the developer. Sony have some of the best developers, and if they were working on the 360 you would have the game looking exactly like it does on the PS3 but on the 360 - possibly even better.

[tplarkin7]

Lens of Truth lists Xbox 360 winning over PS3 by factor of 3 to 1. You can make excuses about bad ports. But, if PS3 was fundamentally more powerful, like Xbox 1 over PS2, you would not see such dominance by 360 here.

http://www.lensoftruth.com/...

Look just above "Head 2 Head" and you will see a total of 63 games, 16 ties, 13 PS3 wins, and 34 Xbox 360 wins.

[JustTheFactsMr]

"he 360 has a better RAM setup on paper and in reality. "

Because when HALF your RAM is 4.5x SLOWER (3.2GHZ vs 700Mhz) than the PS3 RAM it's considered by 360 fanboys to be better. In their distortion field they call reality.

[Biggest]

tplarkin7, please take a step back and listen to yourself. You asked for examples of something, but you wanted the examples that prove you wrong to be excluded. How does that make sense?

And I love the Alan Wake shout out. That game isn't old enough for people to forget about. We know about the light that some of you called lighting. We know about the stiff movements that some of you called animation. We know about the low resolution that some of you called visual clarity. We know that the game looked its greatest when there was a single light.

I am a pre-fan of Rage. I am excited for Rage. I posted in another Rage article about my excitement. But if the recent past is any indication, certain fanboys are setting themselves and the game up for failure. There is nothing wrong with a game looking amazing. But don't call it more amazing than the most amazing already. Please wait. I do enjoy laughing at you all, but I grow tired of it sometimes. I am still recovering from the Splinter Cell/Alan Wake two piece. Just let the game come. It might be something special.

[Boody-Bandit]

How about instead of relying on websites to tell you how games look or run or what out performs what? You actually take the time and play these games for yourself and make up your own mind. I have played roughly 30 to 40 multiplatform titles on both the PS3 and 360 and I will tell you flat out that the games never look on my displays like these comparison articles show them to look and I have some pretty high end displays and sound systems.

Why do people insist on trusting any site showing games in little windows and take their word as gospel? You do realize that no matter how techincal, educated or impartial these sites pretend to be? Every one has bias. Whether they be doctors, lawyers, public officials, sales people, reviewers, tech sites and so on. People no matter how educated or level headed, have their own personal preferences and usually give their opinions from their heart instead of their brain, logic and common sense.

Maybe I am just an old man that has a lot of world experience but I for the life of me can't understand why people take all of this "us vs them" nonsense so seriously.

I will end it with this. We have heard this game will beat out that game so many times it is mind numbing and it almost always fails to deliver. iD's Rage looks great. I am a huge Carmack fan and I am hoping this game delivers but I have learned ages ago to wait until the game is being displayed at my home running on my console before passing judgement and making outrageous claims. One thing I never do is give my opinion of something I don't have hands on experience with. People that do, well let's just say, their opinions are meaningless.

[mittwaffen]

I can go as far to test on even ONE core and the CORE2 will win. Its all about EFFICIENCY in the CPU area. Ram in the other case doesnt have very much innovation and the processing principals stay the same, other than Power/Heat savings from DDR>DDR2>DDR3. The only reason people have this idea about ram is because they dont look at the whole picture,but as speeds increase, as does bandwidth.

XDR's bandwith/DDR3 isn't even used to its full potential, if it is (which is find highly unlikely) explain it to me properly. I've done tests, and gaming on PC's doesn't use very much that is why my whole RAM example is valid, max theoretical bandwidth of todays PCs are RARELY ever used if ever for the average Gamer; perhaps a 3D modeler sketching up a 140 Floor high rise.

[Philaroni]

http://www.rambus.com/us/pr...

Just for you: dchalfont

And I will correct myself the new XDR2 is over the GDDR5, I meant to say GDDR3 for the XDR.

[tinybigman]

those who are going back and forth arguing which looks better just stop. this is a multiplatform game and it will look great on both consoles. the exact same. i just find it a crying shame that microsoft doesnt have 1st party studios who can take advantage of the system like the 3rd parties are doing.

we already know sony 1st parties can do amazing things with ps3 now its time for 3rd parties to step up and it looks like they are giving it their all.

edit

god after reading some of the comments hear i have to say i truly hate this site sometimes. ninty has a great presser in a long time the fannies come out, a game looks great on 360 sony fannies bash, a game looks great on ps3 360 fannies bash. what the hell is wrong with you people?

[candystop]

As long as 360 can keep pushing really good looking games I could careless about 1st party. Sure it would be great but for now no worries.

edit: Dont be silly! Of course I want 1st party exclusives but the point is I'm ok.

[tinybigman]

you wouldnt say that if they had them now would you?

[doa766]

is this that game that needed to have lots content removed so it would fit on a DVD? I guess we'll never know how great (and big) it would've been if it were a PS3 exclusive

[EvilBlackCat]

i just do this because i really hate loyalists SPECIALLY PS3 LOYALISTS

all of you are butthurt right now

FREAKING SWEET!!!

BRINK
RAGE http://e3.g4tv.com/thefeed/...
CRYSIS
MEDAL OF HONOR
HALO REACH

FUNNY HOW THIS GAMES JUST PROVED THAT ALL OF YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AND CONSOLES HARDWARE.

ALL YOU GUYS DO IS HYPE PS3 GAMES that is all you guys do here.

HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE mmm? sombody is paying you loyalist?

PLEASE DONT TELL ME THAT GOD OF WAR 3, Uncharted 2 and KILZONE2-3 LOOKS BETTER THAN THIS MULTIPLATFORM on Xbox360

I HAVE GoW3, traded BoringZone2 and played Uncharted 2 so dont call me a damn specific console fanboy because at the end of the day i sleep next to my PC.

Anyway i am buying RAGE and Crysis for PC

i really dont gives a fnck about console x vs console w vs console p.

BUT YOU GUYS JUST MAKE GAMING SOMETHING STUPID HERE IN N4G

NOW Shut the hell up and enjoy gaming pstards loyalits!

[Jamegohanssj5]

I want to know how many times did your mother drop you on your head. Or should I say how many flights of stairs did she push you down.

TGSI

[Claudinho69]

we'll just enjoy gaming after you say the admit the ps3 is superior

[streety]

lol you talk shit...every game you listed beside halo reach are also avaible on ps3 with better performance, and no game there can technically can match killzone 3, god of war 3 or uncharted 2.crysis 2 footage was pc footage, rage footage was maybe xbox360 footage but it dont looks as good as killzone 3, medal of honor ist just like bad company 2....thats it..

[Jamegohanssj5]

FPS? Eww.

TGSI

[Snakefist30]

If U Hav A Very Good Pc.

[XsteveJ]

If you think this was good, wait until you see Rage ON the PC.

Although I agree, what id has accomplished with Rage on consoles is truly amazing. One of my most anticipated games on the horizon.

[exnihilonihilfit]

We did just see Rage on PC. This wouldn't be the first time that an E3 booth was set up with a PC running the software connected to an Xbox controller you know. I think the same is true of many of the games that are PS3/PC on the E3 floor, since you can easily do the same thing with a PS3 controller.

Everyone thought that the conference Crysis footage was running on Xbox because the buttons displayed on screen were Xbox buttons, but it was actually PC footage that displayed Xbox buttons because an Xbox controller was connected to the PC.

[sukru]

Anybody knows a recent in game trailer from the game?

At each iteration it looks better and better, but iD should be more courageous start going out Bungie style with direct in game videos.

[ipwnall]

http://e3.g4tv.com/thefeed/...

G4 did a live demo, pretty neat stuff! This is the same demo that I got to enjoy.

[aGameDeveloper]

Go to http://e3.g4tv.com/videos/4... and check out all three videos (they play one after the other)

[Immortal Kaim]

Now this is the stuff I want, Rage sounds and looks amazing. Do we have any idea on a release window?

Seriously look at those pics guys, pretty damn impressive for the 360, it might even be the best looking game on the entire system (and running at 60FPS), Carmack is a genius.

@ip

Cheers mate, as in my post above, can you give impressions? Or are you the writer of the article?

[ipwnall]

Early 2011 is the expected drop date.

[absolutecarnage]

Looks Awesome good job iD,

[gfunkera10]

Wow.......can't believe they let you play it!!!!

[hoops]

This just might be the game that ends up looking better than Gears3, Halo Reach, KZ3 and Crysis 2.
Looking at the game now...it looks just as good as all of those games.

[dooge]

That's a bold statement sir.

[aGameDeveloper]

KZ2 did not run at 60 FPS. What's KZ3 supposed to run at, 30 (or less) again?

Of course, high FPS is not going to make a game look better in screen shots, but it will look and feel better (than the same game at lower FPS) when played.

[maddhatter123]

it might look better then reach and crysis 2 but kz3 is still unmatched on consoles.
http://media.psnow.es/image...
http://media.psnow.es/image...
http://media.psnow.es/image...

the it only looks better because rage is open world excuse won't work here since you brought killzone 3 up.

edit: anywhere else is just the pc so yeah it is matched only there.

[waterboy]

anywhere else

[Strikepackage Bravo]

KZ2/3 are the most graphically overhyped games out there, those KZ3 images like no better than COD4 let alone this.

[jack_burt0n]

no but Portal 2 pc and KZ3 are the only competition for each other.

[RememberThe357]

Those Killzone 3 shots are pre-alpha. If you think the final product with look anything like that you are delusional.

Killzone 2's graphics are not over hyped at all. The game is beautiful. If you don't like the game or the art style then that is fine. But ignoring what Killzone 2 did visually makes you seem like you have fanboy blinders on.

[waterboy]

maybe for the photorealistic visual type but killzone 3 is unmatched anywhere else in looking cg like

[baodeus]

i would give you the best looking gun (i guess sony fanboy only look at the gun (it does take up quite a chunk on screen). Have any of you guys even see Crysis 2 video with the mech?
Rage is also pretty out there as well. I do think these two look the best right now (each with a different art style where Rage is more cartoon like and crysis 2 is more realistic).

One thing i don't get about Sony Fanboy is what is the purpose for down playing any multi-platform games that are also available for the PS3? How does that help Sony? Most games out there are multiplatform anyway and Sony still need them just as much as they need Sony. Is that how you guys show support for Sony? Do u guys even think before you say anything?

ID, ND, Crytek, Bungie are pretty talented developers. Prop to them.

[mittwaffen]

http://media.psnow.es/image...

I'm not a hater, but give me a break the rest of the game looks great and they ruin it with those low res explosions.

[The Creep]

crysis 2 is still the console king

[Focker420]

I'll believe it when I see it.

[hoops]

Dude. Look at the demo. The detail in that game is easily on par with ANY game out now on consoles or coming. And Rage is still being developed.
Id is KNOWN to make great looking games. Just that demo alone puts it up there with the heavy hitting games. Imagine the PC version of this.

And the game is going to run 60fps on a console with that type of fidelity on a console? What other FPS game on consoles can claim this.
All the heavy hitting FPS coming out will not run at 60fps looking like this on consoles. Damn Id. Wow

Edit:

What do I mean? Look at the game. It looks THAT good with that charecter animation with those graphics AND 60FPS...What other console FPS game does this? I will give you a hint: NONE

[waterboy]

but thats good for 360

[beavis4play]

yea, the enviroments look good......but there isn't anything else. just the pretty enviroment and the main character shooting baddies. look at KZ3 and crysis2 - both show unbelieveable amounts of effects, lighting, smoke...etc.
but, the rage gameplay seems kind of sterile - not many effects. and the AI seems kind of lacking too. the main character takes cover but the baddies just keep staying in the open for him to shoot.
and the animations you speak of? go back and watch it again. when the main character shoots a baddie - he falls over like a piece of wood....totally unrealistic. i will say the game has potential to get better - but, it's NOT even remotely as jawdropping as KZ3 or crysis2. they need to make the enviroments seem more alive. i expected the enviroment to have more effects - but, right now they just seem dead.....pretty - but dead. enviroments in todays FPS games need to be much more immersive.
clearly, KZ3 and crysis2 have raised the bar and are ahead of rage right now. hopefully this is just early and ID will be adding more to the game to bring it to life.

one thing i DID like very much was the car racing with combat (what little was shown, anyways) - that looks like fun!

this was a day1 purchase for me - but, not now. i'm going to wait and see how it progresses.

[snp]

The 60fps is the bit i'm most impressed with. I'm not actually that staggered by the graphics otherwise. The character animation is quite nice, though nothing that gobsmacking (i suspect what's impressive there is more the 60fps effect), but lighting detail seems.. almost non-existent. And in these scenes there's very little actually going on on screen at any one time (is quite corridor-ish, and doesn't have many baddies or any environmental interaction or effects).

ed:beavis has pretty much said it already. I hope they sacrifice a few frames if they have to, and get a little more life into it. It's a nice template, but that's what it feels more like atm... a template.

[jay2]

What do you mean?

[nycredude]

Looks really good, but let's not get carried away here. Lot of other console games were touted the best looking only to fall flat on it's face. I don't think this will, but let's wait until we play it to annoint it the king of anything.

The demo didn't have a whole lot of action going on, just walking around what appears to be a settlement and some corridor shoot with s few baddies on screen. No explosions, tons of enemies on screen, environmental objects collapsing, particle effects, etc.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Contrary to popular sony fanboy belief, the 360 is not maxed out. You would have to be pretty stupid to believe that. All you have to do is look at previous consoles and you can clearly see games look much better with every additional year.

I'm skipping Fallout Las Vegas and will wait for this one for my post apocalyptic goodness.

[n4gno]

not stupid, just smart, when you are delusional (alan drake, halo, say hello)

everytime they are seeing a trailer, they are believers again, so pathetic :) (heaby rain, killzone, uncharted, gow, etc = impossible on xbox, just facts, but continue dreaming fantards)

"Only thing the ps3 has is more storage"

lol..same or close gpu, better memory, and huge difference with cpu = games you 'll never see on xbox, just facts (where are the ratchet, lbp, uncharted, kilzone, etc ? )

"Best looking console game I have ever seen"

the problem is : you don't have seen it :) (lol@the video = good fps, good graphics for multi, but i did'nt see nothing to "incredible"...proba bly the tkillzone 3 dammage control have started :))

[stonecold1]

to go and do a bit of research on david cage what he thinks of 360 about heavy rain and head over wiki and type uncharted 2 in they say about 360 and uncharted 2

[PRHB HYBRiiD]

is maxed out in alan wake but im sure developers can find a way to do games with better graphics than alan wake

[nilamo]

I hope at least now the die hard sony fanboys will stop using the inferiority argument. In terms of graphical power the 360 was always equal to the ps3, too bad it had to be a multiplatform game to show that.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Exactly. Top developers and tech geeks have always said that both are equal in power with the 360 having a better GPU. Only thing the ps3 has is more storage. But of course they don't like to listen to real facts.

[Philaroni]

First of you know nothing about hardware like most of N4G, the PS3 was made for the GPU and CPU to do vertex operations together and share graphical data. Yes the Xbox GPU is more powerful but it has to be as the CPU can not do graphics calculations. Where the PS3 more or less had 2 GPUs thanks to the Cells ability to do many VC. Also texture streaming from bluray is used in many PS3 games like Uncharted 2 and the upcoming KZ3. What people forget is that it matters little on the one part of a system. They are made so all parts work together and make the system what it is.

If you want to get very technical the Xbox main advantage is it has a unified shader and its ram is also unified. PS3 had is divided up. It use to be the industry standard but now unified has taken over.

Oh and also the Xbox has a chip that more or less does auto 2x AA which helps devs save some time. Is also the reason for why many games have less jagged edges on 360 versions.

Also, for those of you who do not know the reason why Devs had a hard time with the PS3 is becaus you need to code a graphics pipe line between the GPU and CPU. Something only the guys at Nvida and ATI do not game devs till now.

More random notes. PS3 has Ram made from Rambus that tops GDDR5 which is the fastest you get in current gen PC cards.

Also it has a 1000/100/10 Ethernet port where the Xbox is 100/10

And unless the new Xbox has changed the PS3 has HDMI 1.3 and Xbox 1.2 which means more bandwidth and other stuff. Like 3D gaming. Xbox can do 3D but is is more like very rough software simulated kind. Think EDTV that came out before HDTV

Sorry for all the edits, I could talk about this for hours its not anywhere close to an easy subject. I'd have to go in to lots of stuff no one but other Devs would understand for the most part.

[Nihilism]

"PS3 has Ram made from Rambus that tops GDDR5 "

Wrong, just stop talking now you are embarrassing yourself.

Wow rambus really, omg!!!

"Also, for those of you who do not know the reason why Devs had a hard time with the PS3 is becaus you need to code a graphics pipe line between the GPU and CPU."

Wow thanks for all that tech knowledge...you use two acronyms in one sentence, you must by really really smart.

+ bubs for the tech wizard, you go girl

[ChronoJoe]

Your name is hilarious MLG. Wow.

[Arnon]

Philaroni's comment went to shit when he stated that the RAM in the PS3 is better than GDDR5. If that was the case, then they wouldn't be running into so many bottlenecks, compared to the PC.

[Jeromejones]

You both are quite hilarious. So desperately awaiting a game on multiplatform to make yourselves feel better. You think this is the be all and end all for this generation of games?!

Yet so far,PS3 exclusives have not been trounced by a 360 game, and well have to see how Rage turns out on each console by the time of its release.
GPU? maybe but its funny how you completely neglect the CPU..

EDIT: this is my most wanted game as of yet but you can tell there have been sacrifices made..shadows especially.. but since this runs at 60 fps it is still quite a feat

[nycredude]

It doesn't matter which is more powerful. What matter is are the developers pushing the platform. Let me ask you, hypothetically, if both consoles were completely, undeniably equal in hardware, but you have 10 games on one console that looks completely out of this world and only 3 on the other that looks equally out of this world, which consoles will give you the best experience?

Look at the PC the hardware is way better but developers are not taking advantage so it ends up underperforming. It's simple really.

You guys need to just wake up and smell the coffee. It shouldn't be about the consoles it should be about the games.

I tried the 360 for a while and decided it wasn't for me cause the games werent for me so I traded it in. I mean seriously 5 years in and now finally there is a game (multiplatform) that can at least compete?

I say compete because it is not released yet. LEt's play it and then judge.

[jerethdagryphon]

your right in raw numbers the capabilitys of rsx and xeno are very very very close

one or the other edges the other out in clock speed or texal fill rates but they are extremely close.

the difference is the rest of the system, as it always has been

360 is a very capable general purpose machine
noone would deny that.

ps3 is more specilized,
its designed from the ground up for heavy computational inorder processing,

an analogy
you can take a farm horse and oyu can use it to go on mountains chase bandits plough feilds and pull the cart to town,
you can also enter it in races but dont expect too many first places,

or you can have a kentucky derby grand champion, who can do all that stuff, it may struggle with the plough or cause your cart to give you a bumpy ride but it will excell in areas the farm horse doesnt and vice versa.

as for games an multi platform engine will look good if time and effort is spent in making it look balanced. tricks and techniques can be used to hide or counter a units shortcomings

but an engine designed specifically for one console will always always be able to shine on its console.

that said you cannot argu with facts. benchmarks show a large differnce in cpu power for specific operations in favor of ps3, and a similar loss in other tasks.

[Delta_Z3RO5]

but look at the second pic the rocks on the right look flat. looks awful

[NateDPG]

Yeah after ID completely revamped the game so it runs on 360 tsk tsk

[HaVoK308]

Best looking console game I have ever seen. And yes...I played Uncharted 2, God of War III, Gears of War, Killzone 2, Mass Effect 2, ect. (Check my trophies and achievements if you doubt me. Same username I use here) I was really looking forward to this game and now my excitement has doubled. Not only because of the visuals (im no graphic whore by any means) but because I know what Id brings to the table. They are the reason I started playing games again after I got out of the Military.

[gamingisnotacrime]

do you play on HDTV? the game looks phenomenal, but only when playing it on HD one can see how trully good it looks

[N4PS3G]

Need to see in HD, i still can't believe that is possible at 60fps..wow

[Nihilism]

I remember HD...they were good years of gaming, I was still in high school, i'm 24 now...yes the world has moved on.

[ruiner4482]

I think it looks good from what we are seeing, but I to want to see what it looks like in HD.

[HOSe]

I believe ID has stated that the game does not run as stable on the ps3 than 360......

[MysticStrummer]

You are referring to an early build. The last thing I read from ID was that the PS3 version was more stable than the 360's, but that was a little while back. I expect the two versions to look pretty much identical when the game ships.

[NateDPG]

Crysis 2 owns it

[The Creep]

Technically no

Graphically yes

that running at 60 fps is truly amazing but the textures in crysis are cordering on photorealism. thats what i feel sets aside crysis from your other stunning looking console games

[BannedForNineYears]

ID: "Rage will look better on PS3 then X360."

=\

[digoutyoursoul8]

LOL!!!!!

[HaVoK308]

If past experience holds true I doubt that. There is a reason other then Live why I buy all multiplatform games for my 360 rather than my PS3. Geez...Fankids are delusional I tell ya.

[Delta_Z3RO5]

i think iD is building the game according to each systems strength so the final product on the ps3 might end up being superior than this pics and really shocking everyone

[Aphe]

That looks amazingly good, very impressive considering it's the 360 version.

[DA_SHREDDER]

Rage looks really good, but the gameplay looks very bland though.

[HOSe]

you're smoking too much pcp

[ArmrdChaos]

Looks like Mr. Carmack is going to be able to add another exotic car to his collection next year. =)

[jalen247]

Wow...Looks incredible. iD has brought the 360 to its knees...This game has to have truly maxed out the 360 to look this good and run at 60FPS. If the game is not subHD then this is definitely an achievement with iD5 engine

[HOSe]

he'll be adding a space ship actually - cars are so 20th century

[gamingisnotacrime]

gotta love it when developers get their sht together and deliver the goods

[despair]

This is a really good looking game, I mean even in the low quality vids you can see how good it looks, the gameplay looks amazing also and best part is its multiplatform so that means PC for me :)

[XtreemGamer]

Amazing graphics. Stop this Xbox and PS3 thing. Both will be equal awesome!

[sbizarre]

Looks HOT!! Looks a bit like borderlands x fallout 3. :) Hmm graphicatastic :D

[cmacdonald]

Wow looks great. I wonder how many disks it will ship on.

[southernbanana]

People need to quit this whole PS3 is better than Xbox or Xbox is better than PS3. I own both and personally havn't seen where one was better than the other graphically. I'm sure I will get a disagree or two but that is my opinion. Buy both and be happy :-)

[waterboy]

if we were to get past all the extreme fanism of all platforms then no platform is all that visually over the other including pc, although exclusives for ps3 really shine for me this point in gaming visuals visuals look so real and so movieish theres not very much further to take it on either platform

[ColecoVision]

I am laughing at all the PS3 fanboys attempting to bring this 360 demo down. This is a first person shooter with amazing graphics, which are 2 things you boys didn't give a crap about when you bought a PS2 over the original XBOX.

You boys are like liberals... Just spreading the hate as much as possible. Just be happy that it's a multi platform game.

I am looking forward to Halo Reach, Killzone 3, Crysis 2, Rage and Twisted Metal... Can't wait!

[rmedtx888]

The 360 is a powerful machine. The problem with it is storage media. MS you should have adopted hd-dvd as a standard media storage... :(

[despair]

that would have been impossible because as you would recall the hd-dvd vs bluray war had the main format for movies and media used by the big companies being bluray, so it would no be economically viable to mass produce hd-dvds just for games when noone was using it for movies. Or something like that.

[Xfanboy]

No he means use HD dvd for games like PS3 does bluray not for movies!! It would have help xbox..

[Rageanitus]

for some reason it is choppy at points,,, it especially noticible when there are enemeies on teh screen

[Xfanboy]

Probably cuz they are still doing work on the game...

[frankymv]

This game looks great but it needs to launch. Been in development since 2005

[Otheros00]

The game is in development longer than GT5.

[Xfanboy]

Go Xbox!! PS3 should be on par!!

PC version for me will have the Level editor Dr@@lz on shirt!!!

Can't wait for year 2056 for this to finally come out !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I wounder about Project offset studios owned by Intel for a year now... so is it still for consoles?? hope so!! who knows???

[Duke Spookem]

They had to remove content because of the 360 so no, it doesn't have it and never will.

[tiamat5]

Wait I thought it was a PS3 game as well. If so does it really matter?

[Leathersoup]

It's on Xbox 360, PS3, and PC and the folks at id say it runs the same on all platforms.

[DA_SHREDDER]

360 dudes in denial much? As always.

[webeblazing]

that $hit look hot gotta get it

[dan_chan89]

PC>ALL

[Silly gameAr]

Looks good but guys are blowing this out of proportion. I'm not the type to get into graphics battles with people, but people shouting about 'new graphics king" and looks better than KZ2 or 3 must see something I don't.

Looks good though.

[GrilledCheeseBook]

wonder how Doom 4 will look since at least on consoles they plan on dropping to 30 fps

[ReBurn]

It just goes to show that these arguments over which console is more powerful are just plain stupid. The talent of the developer has just as much to do with the quality of the game, if not more.

[PRHB HYBRiiD]

this game and brink look really promising

[Leathersoup]

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Carmack is a freaking genius!

Edit: Not that the rest of id isn't a group of awesome people.

[etownone]

I can't believe the the games with the best graphics shown at E3 are multi-plats

Crysis 2
Rage

Not taking anything away from Gears3 or KZ3.

[sasukeftw]

this shit look weak as fuck!!

[yakuzakazuya]

Looks good but it seems to me the environments use "fake" pre-baked shadowmaps like in Halo 3. Watch the G4tv clip at 1:16. There is a pole casting a long shadow on the ground. Your character passes under the pole's "shadow", but no actual shadow is cast onto your AK rifle. Unrealistic.

I prefer environments where every object project real time shadow. Red Dead Redemption is a good example. If Rage does indeed use pre-baked shadows then I expect there will be no gradual transition in day/night cycles. The way all shadows incrementally move as the day passes, like when you take a rest in Far Cry 2. I'd rather have a 30fps game with real shadows, MHO.

[theone26]

Technically Rage is lacking behind in terms of lighting, everything is pre baked, no dynamic lighting as seen in Doom3. Character poly count is severely low in comparison to gears3/kz3 etc. Fanboys are hyping it up coz they desperately in need of a xbox messiah as they've lived in the shadow of KZ2/UC2/GOW3 for far too long. Have I spoken the truth guys?

[yakuzakazuya]

I agree. The lighting isn't up to Crysis2 or KZ3 standards. Pre-baked shadows are a relic of the past and should be phased out in today's games.

Besides, Rage environments are devoid of life when compared to RDR. Where's the wildlife? Where are the trees with foliage moving with the wind? I understand it's a post apocalypse world but surely if humans survived smaller animals should be there also?

[SephireX]

This game looks absolutely stunning. Remember, this is an open-world game running at 60fps with beautiful graphics on five year old hardware. Id have done a great job.

[HappyTrigger]

Have people forgotten that the 360 version is going to span 2-3 discs while the PS3 version is only going to be 1?

[badkolo]

you ps3 guys are making yourslef look real bad, you can tell byu the agree and disagree's that the ps3 fanbots cant help themselves, I was all in agreeince that sony e3 was better then ms e3 but this shows you who is just a silly moron.

this game clrealy looks incredible and smooth and is up to par with any ps3 game but like many have said once the game is on the 360 you all turn on the game, your not gamers your a bunch of fanboys who just talk crap about thier console.

once a game is multiplat no matter how good it looks you morons will hate on it.

its ok though cause when this gets reviewed like many other games we will see how good the gfx are versus your fanboy opinions.

your all acting like buthurt fanboys, why arent you in any other game thread trashing those games, ill tell you why, cause this game is looking so good that it scares you, you cant enjoy the game becuase its a multiplat game thats on the 360 and it also looks dam good, so becuase of that you will hate on a game, your not a gamner your the biggest losers on n4g

[yakuzakazuya]

Rage looks great, I agree. But at the cost of having pre-baked shadows in the environments. The game runs in 60fps so they kind of cancels out. I'm just disappointed with fake shadows, that's all.

[prettyboy1]

almighty,please u fanbois stop hyping multiplats over ps3 exclusives.you would think u fanbois wouldve learned by now.sony isnt the king for nothing

[NSG]

looking pretty good

[horndog]

No denying it. Better than crysis 2? I think so but how come they only show the 360 version? Is the ps3 version that bad?

[djfullshred]

I'll be buying this for PS3...but that demo on G4TV using a 360 looked really good.

[Moonboots]

Looks awesome and love the Fallout/Post Apocalyptic feel. Already making my list for 2011..

[DelbertGrady]

It must be really hard for some of you to see multiplat games like Crysis 2 and now RAGE take a graphical dump on your precious PS3 exclusives.

As for me I can't wait to play the superior 360 versions of both. There's a reason they didn't demo them on the PS3.

[djfullshred]

lol, nice try at attempting to stir up the Romper Room debate.

[strickers]

Even if these multi plats do look better than PS3 exclusives,it does not change the fact that the 5 or so best looking released games are on PS3.If the 360 can do PS3 quality exclusives then where are they.It's been out longer and is easier to program yet Halo Reach is no where near Killzone quality.Alan Wake does not look as good as Uncharted 2,neither does Gears.
Both devs have said their games(Rage/Crysis)are running better on PS3.Try some light reading.These games are very impressive and built by some of the most tech savvy devs on the planet but still most games exclusive to 360 come up short.
As for multi plats,it's simple.Games built on 360 first,play to it's strengths and don't port well.

[DigitalAnalog]

I wonder what would happen if you would apply that for the PSX and PS2?

-End statement

[Shmotz]

I'm excited for this and Fallout: New Vegas.

[nygamer28]

INTERESTING!!!!

[Claudinho69]

lol xbox fanboys think kz, uncharted & gow 3 only cuz of the "the looks"...they got no clue of the tech it has

[mittwaffen]

Care to explain this 'Tech'? You mean Cell post processing effects? lol.

[xtremeimport]

looks hella sexy.
was the 360 the lead platform? curious as to what it would look like if they had has the Ps3 as lead platform...wonder how different the game would look if at all.

[MRMagoo123]

stop it with "new graphical king" and the other bs you 360 fanboys keep spinning its really getting stupid. Its been like what..... 7 games now that have supposed to have been "the best graphics eveerrrrrr" and none of them have been what they where hyped to be, just be happy you have a game that looks good and shut up about it its getting very annoying listening to this same bs over and over again every time a new multi plat game comes out this game looks fine best graphics ever as far as i can tell it is not same goes for crysis 2 it wont ever happen because there will always be another exclusive that takes it even further than before. Just be happy its not reach graphics and its something to look forward too hmm.

[yakuzakazuya]

Xbox fans give too many free passes for when a graphically hyped game fails to deliver. When a 540p screen tearing low-res textured game gets praised as "teh bestest grafix evar!!1" its no wonder 360 devs become lazy when it comes to pushing gfx standards (Bungie for example). If xbox fans were more critical maybe, just maybe devs would step up their efforts more.

end rant.

OT:

Rage looks really good. 60fps is always a good thing. Enemy response animations rivals KZ2. The only weakness it has is the pre-baked shadows. Can't wait to play it.

[MR LOOKINGBILL]

ID and Crytek really know how to use the power of the 360. Like one of the posters said above the 360 is beginning to show gamers and developers what can be achieved on it. I agree with another poster looking at kz3 against rage and crysis2 the textures do look blurred and outdated.

[necksnappa]

please! this game graphically is pretty good nothing mindblowing, great for 360. but these two guys sessler and pereira are 360 fanboys, so when a decent game comes for 360 they obviously will praise it.From what was shown in the clip i see nothing that has not been done before, it kinda looks like bioshock in a different setting with guns.

[N4BmpS]

Compliments to ID they are genius', it's not a miracle that this game looks so good on the 360 id just knows how to work with technology. I expect to see fantastic graphics on other plat-forms.

[Deios]

This game also caught my eye. I can't wait to see more of it.