Bodycount creative director Stuart Black: Killzone 2 "a bit poo, really"

In an interview with Destructoid, Bodycount creative director Stuart Black slammed Killzone 2, developer Guerrilla Games, and the Sixaxis/DualShock 3 controller, calling the game "a bit poo, really," and asserting that the right analog stick is so "loose" that it requires developers to "work really hard to [get] a good feel."

[coolcut135]

i respected u guys till u made that childish comment.

[-Alpha]

What is Bodycount anyway? A Killzone 2 team deathmatch mode, that much I know.

Anyways, the man is entitled to not like Killzone 2, though "poo" is a silly word to use. It's clear that using the word poo and putting it in the title is done to make readers see the title as "Someone Says K2 is Sh*t"

But let's look at the context: he is essentially complains about the controls/right stick of the PS3. First of all, I notice no difference between the left and right PS3 stick. They are looser than the 360's, yes, but his real problem seems to be the control of K2.

Second, many people were in agreement that K2 had controller issues. GG acknowledged this, promised more accessible controls for K3, and even patched K2. So let's not get hung up on the word "poo" like I'm sure the site wants us to. I liked Killzone 2's controls, but hated the pre-patch deadzone issue. Post patch was better but a little more fine tuning will be done for K3 as GG has stated, and I'm all for it. K2 was still a great game, and I found the weighty controls very nice. I'm all for more responsiveness, and remember, just because it's more responsive doesn't mean it's going to turn into COD.

[lociefer]

how about u guyz focus making ur game just as mentioned and praised as killzone ? btw i dont see that happening, so

[SullyDrake]

And they demanded skill. No cheap lock-on shooting like in COD. KZ2 is fluid and challenging.

[Raf1k1]

Agreed.

Alpha's mentioned that they're making the controls more accessible but from what I can remember reading about it they seem to not just be fine tuning but actually making the controls much more user friendly like CoD. That gameplay footage in the back of an interview showed gameplay that was quite a lot like CoD.

edit: someone called Alsa left a comment in the article page and got it pretty much right IMO.
'He's just trying to sell his game, fine... talk about the FOV and how it works with his game, but I think he's wrong about Killzone. It has a narrower FOV for a valid reason and it works. The game feels better and plays better for it.'

[RememberThe357]

I understand big mouths, I have one, but we all know it is unprofessional to call out an other developer when you yourself have one game that really didn't blow anyone away.

If you've ever played Black you know that it played very well so it's not like he doesn't know what he's talking about, but he also has a history of being arrogant. He thinks that only shooters like his are good shooters. Black failed to have any enemy verity or story. It was a god game but far from great.

I still own it in fact.

Raf1k1: I disagree. It looked like Killzone gameplay to me. But they have to get some more responsive controls. Killzone is not supposed to be a niche franchise for Sony so it can't have niche controls. It sad for some who loved the weight you feel with Killzone 2 like but you have to understand that they have to reach a wider shooter audience. This is, at the end of the day, a business.

I have faith that they will find a nice middle ground were they keep the weighty feel but also make the game more responsive.

@StanLee: That's cause people disagreed with you...

[-Alpha]

Mitchell, my issue with the K2 controls was that it was hard to have no auto-aim (not lock on), with analog sticks. Analog sticks are not the most precise thing to use especially when you forgo the use of auto-aim. It made K2 clumsy at times in close quarters and "flicking" the sniper precision when aiming was evidence of the deadzone issue. They fixed all that with the patch, but I wouldn't mind more precision. My big thing was (and I haven't played K2 recently to test this) acceleration. I would move my stick a little and then found myself having to move it all the way only to find myself over-turning or something. It made things frustrating. And after 100 hours of multiplayer I still have a few issues and see other heavy players make silly mistakes too. I don't think it's fair to say these people lack skill. It just made some situations silly, especially melee-dancing.

Here is the big difference: Move.

Move support will make it more precise to the point where auto-aim is not needed (I assume). But, without some form of auto-aim things like melee became useless in K2. As for shooting, I found it rock solid but I still think it needed more responsiveness. This is why I am excited for the beta. We can at least test it ourselves and if it's really bad we can complain about it.

K3 can maintain the heavy feel and the kick-ass recoil in guns, but making the controls more responsive is great for everyone. You still need skill, but now without the hassle of missing wildly where you would expect a soldier to get proper shots.

I think Move will make K3 great but a higher responsiveness doesn't mean COD gameplay at all. Remember, the CQC trailer is promising that you can run and gun or you can be the more methodical, duck and shoot kind of player. The gameplay variety seems very promising.

Anyways, point is, let's not get hung up on the word "poo". It's clear it's such a childish word and it was expected to get hits and responses from Sony fans. The article already has 300 degrees over a guy calling something poo.

@peeps

That was an unintended glitch with the shotgun.

[peeps]

"No cheap lock-on shooting like in COD"

They eventually patched it but at first you could just keep tapping L1 and it automatically aimed at a person, so you could run into a room with a shotty, tap L1, lock onto the nearest guys head and hit R1 for a cheap kill.

[Death2494]

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[voice_of_ reason]

"Mitchell, my issue with the K2 controls was that it was hard to have no auto-aim (not lock on), with analog sticks. Analog sticks are not the most precise thing to use especially when you forgo the use of auto-aim."

So basically, you're not good at console shooters if the game doesn't aim for you? Your first paragraph rant there makes you sound very uncoordinated... I mean, really, you had that much trouble turning in KZ2 (even after 100hrs)?

[-Alpha]

Voice of reason, I JUST played K2, and the turning isn't an issue-- in fact, the game, like I said, plays fine. My turning issue was pre-patch. Post-patch I turn fine. However, all I'm saying is that there is no problem with making it more accessible and responsive if they can retain the feel of Killzone.

GG WANTS this to be the flagship shooter for PS3, and unfortunately that title belongs to COD for PS3. They are making it more accessible, and though that worries me I don't think GG will turn the game on its head. Have faith in these guys.

Also, the lack of auto-aim made for some imprecise shooting-- there is nothing wrong with having the game that way, but analog sticks are not the most precise if you remove auto-aim, hence why KB&M have no auto-aim.

Also, counter to that I do think K2 has some auto-aim, I could be wrong, but the point is that making it more "responsive" doesn't mean it's Going to turn into COD.

[UltraNova]

What people dont realize is that KZ2 was GG's 1st game on the PS3... Its so hard to find a flaw in this game that people are complaining about the deadzone on the sticks...

What I would justify as a flaw (if its one, though it looks intentional) is Sev's height... This one needs explaining..

My point is that GG's 1st effort on the ps3 should be appreciated , an effort well realized. Other companies are on their 2nd and 3rd game on the ps3 and still getting it wrong. R*...

Btw dont give me shit like they had a long time to make it cause we all know how Too Human ended up after nearly a decade...

[Biggest]

My biggest gripe with the Killzone 2 complainers is pretty simple. Why are you acting as if it was better or different for someone else? I know that when I get shot in MW2 or BC2 I try to have an excuse. Sometimes I will blame lag. Sometimes I just missed. But never do I say "The controls suck ass!" Why don't I say that? Because the playing field is level. Everyone has the same controls as I do. If I can't get the control scheme, I play a game that works better for me. It's nice that GG has decided to make a change for accessibility. More people can enjoy their game. But they're going to cry anyway. It's always someone's fault.

[DaTruth]

I like the Killzone 2 controls. I am awesome at games and it just makes it easier for me to pwn noobs!

It's hard for me to hate a game I am no.1 at in rankings every time!

[deafwing]

... obviously he wants his game to be boycott ... doesn't he know that anything you say these days about games get over analyzed, criticized, ostracized, glamorized, flame-a-rized and what not?

[Gamerbee]

If he felt that way he's had a full year to comment on it. Not wait until there's hype for the sequel. Im sick of there attention whores.

[RedDevils]

tell me how old is this guy, "poo" what is he 3 or something

[morganfell]

UltraNova,

They would have looked at the lifestyles of the developers if they had to, including the clothes they wore. Anything to locate a discernible flaw.

KZ2 was attacked for not having Co-op, despite the fact that many titles with no MP at all were and are given a pass in this regard.

I don't think a game should be required to have any certain mode if it does not fit and if the development of said extra mode takes away from the focus toward the core of the game.

But equality be damned, many reviewers broke out the shovels and picks and dug like they were in the Great Escape, determined to find any flaw, real or imagined.

@Red Devils,

When someone is 2 and their life consists of throwing the contents of their diaper against the wall, such a practice reveals itself in all aspects of their life.

I am sure this game will be great with his Stuart's self inflated ego and take on other games:

http://playstationlifestyle...

Look at what Alex Ward did when the negative comments about Black surfaced. he went on a tirade. That entire crew needs to get their ego under control. The last thing we need is a Denis Dyack clone telling everyone how things should be done.

[UnwanteDreamz]

"I'm all for more responsiveness, and remember, just because it's more responsive doesn't mean it's going to turn into COD."

I hope you are right.

[BannedForNineYears]

He's calling the colors in the game poo.........?

And Bodycount *is a team death match. xD

[pxpxp]

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[deafwing]

:D LOl

[thereapersson]

I'm not surprised Destructoid published such an interview. You really gotta love (read: hate) Destructoid's penchant for trolling the gaming community, and then throwing that fat f*ck Jim Sterling out into the fray with another one of his "Sony Fanboys are the Worst" articles when PS3 fans get upset over sh1t like this.

Honestly, and I'm not usually one to really give a damn about this sort of thing, I can't blame PS3 fans for getting up in arms over this. Personally, I've never even heard of this developer and his childish ways, nor have I played "Bodycount".

[creeping judas]

Bodycount = Ice T's awesome punk/metal band!!

[AFatalPapercut]

omg thats great.

[Double Toasted]

Too funny xD

And they used a bullshot too? Overdose!!!

[raztad]

Wow I'm not sure if that Black guy realize that trash talking other games wont help him to sell his. Speaking of which, I hope is more than just Black in HD. Black was good back on the PS2 but the bar has been raised.

BodyCount better be AWESOME.

There is something I agree though. DS3 right stick is very very loose. BioShock aiming is a pain in the ass. I disagree on his remarks about KZ2, because aiming feels nice, now when you increase X and Y sensitivity it gets harder but after a while you get used to it.

[Death2494]

Bodycount screen
http://xbox360media.ign.com...

Killzone 2 screen
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...

[nycredude]

Wtf post a fair comparison man. You put a screen shot of Black on Ps2 up against Killzone 2 on Ps3! That is not fair!

[Chaotic_Lament]

Screenshots mean nothing to me. I don't play slideshows. I play games that render in real time.

I'll wait to reserve judgement until I see Bodycount played on my TV screen.

[deafwing]

you should be more honest .. but isn't black .. err I mean I bodycount essential Black 2 ( I do want a sequel to black :D ) but S.B should know not to start things like that ... gamers will devour him and his game alive.

[kr9091]

I agree with you! Why do developers always have to comment about other games in such a childish manner? It's stupid. I can understand talking about competition, but they don't have to act like their game is the best thing since sliced bread! or in this case, Killzone 2. lol.

[BattleAxe]

@ Alpha Male

First you and BeaArthur complain about not having enough of an advantage with using Grenade Lanchers in Uncharted 2, and now you are complaining that you don't know how to use analogue controllers and so you wish there was a "lock on" feature for Killzone 2.....pathetic.

[MNicholas]

KZ2's FOV is actually really natural for playing games on a TV where the distance from the player to the TV is usually greater than the width of the TV.

If the FOV was any wider, the game would suffer from a fisheye effect similar to what happened to Bioshock when it received a "patch" to widen the FOV.

Having said that, PC games aimed at hardcore PC gamers should provide an option for a wider FOV because the most crazed PC gamers tend hang their faces about 12 inches away from the screen.

To sum up the logical user requirements:

Console gaming: Distance from screen is greater than screen width => Lower resolution, lower FOV

PC gaming: Distance from screen is less than screen width => Higher resolution, higher FOV

[BlackKnight]

FOV doesn't have anything to do with where you sit. FOV is how many degrees your point of view can see in the game. Smaller FOVs are actually are easier to render because you render less due to less being able to be seen on the sides. Also, resolution is completely independent of FOV, if it wasn't games like GT5 or MGS4 would be screwed because they used stretched, FOV modified non 16:9 resolutions to scale to a 16:9 image and maintain a proper FOV once stretched.

[MNicholas]

1) The optimum FOV selected for a graphics rendering has everything to do with where you sit relative to the size of the screen.

A simple analogy is looking out of a window in your room. If you sit with your face against a standard window you have, perhaps, 150 degrees of the view outside your room. If you sit a few feet back, it's only half that.

2) The point wasn't that higher FOV itself necessitates a higher resolution but rather that the situation that requires a higher FOV to be rendered, the tendency of PC gamers to sit very close to the screen which results in the screen occupying a significant portion of the viewers natural field of vision, also requires a higher render resolution.

[solidjun5]

You're judge by how well your game is anyway? KZ2 is well received. I understand it may not be your cup of tea and that's fine. But make the game and talk about your game and not the competition. There's no point but now you're put under a microscope and it has to be the ish or you'll be ripped apart.

@Alpha
I don't know man, it seems that you want it to be another COD. Don't take that as a criticism I think i'm COD out. COD's auto is really easy on the player. I mean really easy. Granted, I know KZ2 pre-patch was a challenge and something of an adjustment. However, once you get good at it, it was really rewarding because of the hard you put in to become good at it.

I'm hoping KZ3 don't fall into the trap Resistance 2 fell in. Resistance felt like Halo. Nothing against Halo but the first Resistance had it's own feel when shooting. They changed it waaaaay too much in my view. Not I'm not saying, it'll be like that with KZ3 being another COD, but how "Accessible" (I use that word carefully) do you want it to be?

[NecrumSlavery]

I personally think using the sixaxis to adjust the sites zoomed in when sniping is brilliant. The weight feels right. Very similar to GeoW but in full first person perspective.

[badz149]

typical!

[menoyou]

In an interview with Destructoid

stopped reading right there. Destructoid is trash

[Ilikegames76]

a bit like Turn10 really.

[vhero]

This article is on destructoid... Nuff Said

[NYPunk88]

Cheap tactics work? lol

[PoSTedUP]

this is like an underground hiphop rapper talking crap about JAYZ or lil wayne to get noticed more. its a good marketing scheme if you aske me. cheap, but effective.

[ClownBelt]

Well at least it's not from Jim.

[NYC_Gamer]

Wow....this dude got a big mouth

[BeaArthur]

Yeah really, this guy along with the guys over at Crytek just can't keep their mouths shut. Watch Bodycount be average when it comes out, then I'll be LMAO.

[alphakennybody]

Well, he did state in an interview at the beginning of the year that his game is shit at its current phase. He better be bringing the heavy artillery in bodycount.

[AFatalPapercut]

thats a shitty thing to admit.

[mrv321]

I disagree, as do many people.

Just because you can't do a 1080 in 0.1 second like you Can't in real life doesn't make it a bad controlling game.

[D4RkNIKON]

exactly.. They are trying to achieve something called realism, not only in the controls but graphics, physics, hit detection and more. Other devs should take note on how it is done.

@below, maybe you should do your math again. He said ".1 second" and that means 0.10 or 1/10th of a second. Also, try to spin around as fast as you can wearing all of that armor, head gear and weapons and get back to me.

[The Maxx]

What are you talking about? I can do a 180 in under a second.

You must be pretty slow if you can't turn your body in a half circle in under a second. Maybe you should get up and try it...I think most, non obese, people can turn their bodies in a full circle within the 1 second mark.

[Dnied]

CLEARLY he said 1080 lol

[Doc Sony]

he said 1080 nub

I'd like to see you do that in under a second.

[D4RkNIKON]

The Maxx spinning.. lol

[thereapersson]

Call of Doodie is the standard for realism in First Person games this generation, what with being able to throw a knife all the way across a level and kill someone while running around a corner.

Also, guns have no weight difference in real life. You should be able to swing an M249 around from the hip just as easily as you would be able to aim a 9mm pistol!

(hint, if you can't detect my sarcasm, you should be ashamed of yourself)

[mrv321]

MW2 is realistic... I mean c'mon the army duel wield 1887 and Ranger which won't break or seriously damage your arm in any way
It;s also extremely realistic to jump a huge distance to knife someone
It's also very common to be able to run around with a RPD/LMG

Also the story was by far the most realistic bit, in reality NO ONE FROM EUROPE WOULD HAVE NOTICED 5 MILLION Russians being flown/sailed over/around their country. NONE of America's MANY radar stations would have noticed or the countless 1,000'S of cargo ships would have noticed a fleet for 1,000's of ships. America wouldn't be very suspicious of Russia AMASSING A HUGE ARMY taking years to get ready.

It took ages for operation overlord to take place and that's in a state of war when the Nazi's where expecting something and that's without the tech we have today.

MW2 is about as realistic as the titanic was unsinkable.

[BattleAxe]

@ mrv123

I totally agree with your critisizim about the storyline. That was my biggest issue with the game. Russians invading the USA with tanks on the ground and aircrat all over the place, you figure that Canada, Europe and Japan would have noticed.

Even more than that, Russia doesn`t have that capability militarily. I think the story was a rushed job.

[mrv321]

It's fairly stupid, I like how in the Washington scene there's a need to capture the high ground. HOW IN GODS EARTH DO THE DEFENDERS LOOSE THE HIGH GROUND? Seriously?

[DoomeDx]

How much did Microsoft pay them, to let them say this?

[The Maxx]

To "let them" or "get them" to say this?

[DoomeDx]

English is not my main lauguage.

Be happy that im not talking dutch, which you wont understand at all ;)

[GAM3R7l]

Wow...so pathetic.

[Sameh]

Bodycount better be the greatest game of all time.

[LinuxGuru]

Srsly.

[DoomeDx]

Im gonna laugh my ass off, if it turns out like Haze did

[BannedForNineYears]

Bodycount the 1994 game? Or the Killzone 2 game mode?

[GeneralCole]

lol, that would be the saddest thing ever

[fuckoffodion]

Just like Splinter Cell conviction. :)

[i_am_interested]

sounds like a personal problem to me

cant wait to see his amazing game with its amazing field of view and its amazing controls

guy sounds like an expert douchebag

[R_aVe_N]

what the crap is Bodycount? and who is Stuart Black? "shakes his head" Everybody trying to get seen now days by talking trash about other studios. It is a sad sad day in gaming when dev stoop that low. That goes for all of them!

[n4gn4gn4gn4g]

was the creative force behind BLACK back in the PS2/Xbox era.

Do a google search on "stuart black" developer...all he does is talk trash.

[BabyTownFrolics]

and amongst people I know when it comes to killzone 2.

pc, 360, ps3 gamers - think killzone is mediocre to really good
pc, ps3 gamers - think killzone is good to really good
pc, 360 gamers - think killzone is overrated to mediocre
ps3, 360 gamers - think killzone is good to amazing
PC only gamers - think killzone is overrated
360 only gamers - think killzone is overrated
PS3 only gamers - think killzone is the best video game ever fucking made

the truth lies somewhere in there

i'm sure you love me telling you what you think, but I'm having a hard time at the moment articulating

[Hades1337]

I only own a 360 and I think Killzone 2 is class. That's blown a massive whole in your logic, because not everyone out there is a fanboy.

[bjornbear]

and easily one to consider amongst all the great FPS' (its distinctive in feel and style)

best videogame ever, no way

but its a damn amazing game

[jmallymav]

i own pc/ps3/360, and i would fall under killzone 3 being overrated...but only overrated on n4g, with no multiplayer matchmaking lobby, people who play online fps is blind to think thats fun to not have multiplayer matchmaking lobby

[RagTagBnd445]

I'm a PC only gamer, but i have still played the game with my friend, and i don't think it was overrated in any way.

[BubbleSystemSuck]

I like Killzone 2 a lot..

For me: Bodycount boycot

[xHarvey]

The FOV in Killzone 3 looks different I can't really tell. It's been bothering me for the past day or so..I wish there was some kind of confirmation.

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

Looks like Stuart Black lack of skills to play KZ2.

[ApocalypseShadow]

at first i used to have a negative response to all these busters and their "wantabe" games.now i just laugh.

each and every time,these companies are comparing their games to SONY'S EXCLUSIVE GAMES."

not games on wii.not games made by the master miyamoto.

not games on the system that has that AMAZING XBL EXPERIENCE.

no,these games are being compared every time to killzone2,uncharted 2,GT5:P and GT5.compared to little big planet,compared to motorstorm,heavy rain....it never ends.the system that supposedly had no games,the system that supposedly had a processor that was not ,made for games,the system that was just a bluray player,the system that was supposed to get scrapped and started over by gabe newel's words,the system that carmack has not made a game for......

ALWAYS has other games compared to it.every time.not 360.not wii.but ps3.it's a laughable entertaining thing to see.and all ps3 fans should just not worry about their mouthing off.be happy in the fact that you chose the system that is leading in hardware features.and the system with the best leading games.

[Karooo]

read the article, way to spin it.

[dizzleK]

with all due respect, even with all the fps' out there i keep going back to Black. it just hits a level of intensity that other shooters still can't match.

but the controls in Black are kinda FAR from being quick and responsive, i think they're even more sluggish ( and yet oddly slippery) than kz2. maybe he should actually go back and replay his game.

[table]

oh, did this guy make black? that would explain his jealousy I guess. Killzone 2 was like this gens black only better in every way. GG even stole some weapon, death animations and map ideas from that game. Of course the weighted controls were much improved for kz2, funny how people never critisized black as much for the controls... or maybe they did.

edit: thanks Trroy, im still gonna pretend he did make it though

[Trroy]

He did work on Black, and his name is Stuart Black. Did he name the game after himself? That would be in line with his commentary. =)

He's currently the creative director of "Bodycount" -- a cross-plat PS3/360 game that is slated to release in 2011 sometime.

[table]

Surely the ps3 right anologue stick would help developers with it being more responsive than its competitors? I've always found it easiest to fine tune intricate aiming on a DS3 over a 360 controller thanks to the slicker stick. Maybe it just suits people who don't have clumsy hands.

Maybe the guy saying these things hasn't played the game online after the patch. The controls are slicker than ever.

[telekineticmantis]

Killzone 3 must be that great to garner this much fear and hate. Reminds me of the yankees. I would of understood if he was professional about his comments (using some technical proof) but calling its field of vision poo sounds like a 3rd grader lol. Whats next "killzone 3s graphics are for doodieheads" I'm definitely interested in Killzone 3 now.

[Brklynty1]

May I ask that after like freakin 8 years, why are people compalining about DS controllers now when abosolutley nothing has changed aside from the R/L2 triggers?

[frankymv]

wow,

developers bashing KZ3 already. Jealousy is the finest form of flattery.

I just paid for the game in full today and I can't wait.

[Roper316]

While KZ2 was visually impressive it was still just another military shooter to me. I prefer shooters like Fear, The Darkness, Bioshock and even Legendary over yet another military shooter.

What was the last game this guy made? Black? How many years ago was that? Going on 6-8 years now? So he needs to just stfu and make his game and with his big mouth it better be very very impressive with a new & fresh feel to it.

[Britney Spears]

Killzone 2 is not even a military game.

[XactGamer]

OUCH!

[DA_SHREDDER]

rOkay, who gave this idiot a job making games? The right analog stick? Really? Okay, here is a fact, some people(including me) prefer the dual shock over the crappy 360 controller. It is way more precise, the dpad is better, the shoulder buttons are touch sensitive (Unlike the 360's floor it or dont move at all buttons).

Im somebody who didn't care too much about KZ2 simply cause of the crappy online and laggy controls ( not the button layouts, even though L2 to crouch was fucking stupid IMO), I will be the first to admit this developer, Mr. Black, is full of fucking shit, and shouldn't even be a tester in games development considering how ignorant, and egotistical he is.

[spektical]

o boy another forza like developer...

[ArchangelMike]

He's obviously throwing down the gauntlet and trying to build hype for his game. Hmm let me see, his game is releasing 2011, KZ3 also releasing 2011. Lets see who's left standing when the dust settles.

But for the record, my money's on Killzone 3.

[unworthyBOZO]

What's bodycount?

[unknownhero1123]

I liked the controls to KZ2 personally. It made the weapons feel like they had weight to them. Of course, the controls are not for everyone. I mean, if you feel that you need auto-aim that's up to you.

[unworthyBOZO]

This is vintage Destructiod.

[lukewind]

Killzone 2 was pretty, very pretty! So much so that most reviewers gave it a very high reviews score. Looking back on that we know it was more of a 4 out of 5.

1. The campaign was well paced, but lacked any interesting story or characters.
2. Controls were laggy and weighted to much, something they never fixed.
3. MP Maps were boring and all looked alike (how many metal grates are there in this world)_

The online portion of this game was dead within 10 months. There were more people playing Halo 2 then Killzone 2, that's how bad the controls and overall experience was in the MP. It did have some great stuff, but overall it was far from a success.

Fanbots can believe what they want to believe, but if the MP was great why is no one playing anymore?

[baraka007]

I've been using my 40 gig ps3s old non dualshock controller forever and I've never thought it was loose or hard to use... The only problem I have with the controller is the r2 l2. I just don't like the shape of them but I'm not sure why he's even talking about KZ2 or the PS3 controller. I mean what's the point?

[THC CELL]

well im not buying body count now

and your mouth is full of poo

[Anti-Fanboyer]

of our children!!!"

[SuperbVillain]

this guy should just concentrate on his game.GG must be doing something right because many are excited about KZ3...I had no problem adjusting to KZ2 controls..this guy needs to get his head out of his ass

[tdinc]

http://img687.imageshack.us...

[gijsbrecht]

LOL! That gif was especially made for this guy.

[Master of Unlocking]

The PS3 controller is the most polyvalent thing I've ever had in my hands since I started gaming over 20 years ago.
Fact: DS3 > SNES controller > Genesis cont. > NES cont. > Xbox/360 cont. > Dreamcast cont. > Jaguar/3DO cont.

And if I were him I would think twice before criticizing a behemoth like Killzone 2 and a talented house like GG, especially if I were the dev. of Black, which only had destruction (in some levels like the 1st one) and nice lighting effects going for it. The rest was nothing to write home about, really: forgettable plot, very short lifespan of only 7 or 8 levels (disguised by a difficulty level that bordered on the unjust from the level in the gulag, 7th level or smthg, can't remember,just the one right be4 the last one), bland textures and a lot of grey environments (the only actual great-looking environment was the 2nd level in the woods), throwing grenades was "Poo", etc.

Think twice be4 you criticize Sony's 1st party studios, buddy,especially when you're developping a multiplat.

[Silly gameAr]

Opinions. Everybody is entitled to one. Bodycount had better kick major ass though, like Black.

Oh by the way. This is Destuctoid. You know, the website where anyone that makes a positive PS comment is called a Sony fanboy? Yeah, I wouldn't give those guys the satisfaction.

[unworthyBOZO]

Tru dat

[gypsygib]

That's like an ugly girl saying Megan Fox isn't good looking.

[FanboyAttack]

He called the shit poo...

[cyclindk]

What a misleading title, as if he were suggesting the entire game were, "poo."

And I never experienced any FOV issues or even heard someone mention it until now.

What's with all the SDF comments too, misleading title... Pretty flame bait-ish in my opinion.

[jmallymav]

he didnt say anything wrong about kz3...but if someone say anything bad, negative, about kz2, u get waymore disagrees, thats sad!!!
i own wii/pc/ps3/xbox..if i didnt own let say ps3, i would still think kz2 looked sweet, if i said it didnt look as good as like gow or uncharted, i would get blasted, killzone 3 looked sweet, controls were fine, but no multiplayer matchmaking lobby, cant be da best FPS this gen, bcz it wasnt the best multiplayer fps, kz3 will be sweet, but ps3 fanboys is sad!!

[darkdoom3000]

Bodycount? The KZ2 multiplayer mode?

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

but who is this rud MFer to bash KZ2?... he had better hope this "Bodycount" game truely is amazing although I highly doubt it... this dude just needs to STFU!!!

[Claudinho69]

low life people...

[N4BmpS]

Lol, oh guy who created Bodycount that I don't know, okay KZ2 wasn't standout fantastic but it did what it came to do which was amaze ppl with it's graphic prowess (success) and it had a great background (which should have been in the fore-front) and personally, I had no problems with the controls.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Random, you know your game is good when people attack it. People only attack games that are popular to get attention and because they're jealous. LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME, LOOK WHAT I CAN DO! Pathetic...

[axerated]

hmm, must be flamebait...yep, sure smells like it, lol

[LiquifiedArt]

The kz2 controls weren't as good as they could of been. It really did need more aim assist and the fact that you got AA during hip-fire mode but none in iron sights mode, is kinda backwards.

It just doesn't seem to make logical sense. That was one of the biggest problems. People learning that hipfire actually works better in kz2, which initself is odd.

They need better controls period. Besides taht, i love the game. I'm just dissapointed with their implementation of the DS3.

[TooTall19]

I'm bashing Bodycount from now on.

[likedamaster]

Dude is absolutely right... I've noticed that in a lot of games.

[AFatalPapercut]

i vividly remember the enemies in Black doing this weird Stretch Armstrong thing from time to time. Good game though I reckon. Hated the fact you couldn't skip cutscenes.

[fuckoffodion]

Automatic gutter trash. They embody the stupid defense force.

[GMWPS3]

after playing it, COD4 and many other FPS feel childish in their controls and game play! :-) I can't enjoy COD4 the way I used to pre-Killzone 2.

[bobrea]

Blah blah, bicker, bicker. Who gives a shit. The people in the gaming industry are a joke. They need to just shut up and make games. Let your work do the talking for you.

[Morituri]

Whenever a new kid strolls into town, he wants to look up the best gunslinger for miles around and start some static, hoping to make a name for himself.

Isn't bawdycount multiplat? I'm soooooo sure that it will be a more refined product than the PS3 exclusive Killzone 3. /s

[Hanilugtehul]

what? i really cant take this article seriously,its so childish, it makes me want to
buy some diapers for stuart blacks poo mouth:-)

[DigitalRaptor]

So this guy's game is going to be beter than Killzone 2? Hardly. And because he can't get controls right on a game, he assumes other devs have to works hard to get them right. What... an... idiot!

[ATi_Elite]

This guy is a Tool at best. Black was OK and no one is going to buy Bodycount as it will be another mediocre FPS with no innovation. His remarks were obviously made out of jealousy and envy of Killzone 2.

Killzone 2 is a "GAMERS" FPS just too bad it's on a console and gets gimped for lack of keyboard and mouse support but the game is still AWESOME and one of the best FPS ever.

Don't ever compare K2 to MW2 because MW2 is an auto aim hack infested noob fest for third graders while K2 is the Flagship FPS for the PS3 and this console generation.

Sony should add K/M support for the PS3 and K2 - K3 would be perfect.

[frayed]

Right, I own both a 360 and PS3. It is CLEAR that the dual-shock 'should' have the better precision and usability for FPS games. There is a very simple little observation you can do without even turning the consoles on to show this.

Take both controllers and look at the distance between the top of the analogue stick and where the stick hits the controller base. The lever radius of the stick, in other words. Or the amount you can pull the stick down to either side. There is a longer radius on the dual-shock. This EITHER allows a larger range of analogue data to be recorded, OR a greater ability to 'hit' any point along that range of data due to a small increase in the length you have to travel along that range. I've tried to make that simple.

Now, I come from a background of playing PC games with a mouse, which obviously has the largest range of input data and therefore the greatest precision. I've plenty of experience on CS and other FPS games. I can tell you categorically that the PS3 dual-shock, in general, has a more precise and fluid feel.

Take Bad Company 2, I had the demo on both systems, but I ended up on the PS3 version simply because the smaller range of the 360 controller sticks made it harder to make 'precise' adjustments when aim.

Now, why the confusion? It's because the xbox controller sticks are much tighter and give more resistance. People think this helps with precision. Maybe it does for some. However, realistically, the tightness generally causes a shorter turning circle in FPS games and a smaller floating zone, giving the sense of 'quicker' movements, which are actually more 'jerky' and less fluid. Maybe you feel you can pull a quick 180 on the 360 better, but when your picking a long distance rifle shot and need a very gradual, smooth movement for pin-point aim, the dual-shock WILL be better. Trust me. And if you don't, fine. I'm not a fanboy. Just an FPS lover.

[stuntman_mike]

just another dev trying to hype their game by slating a PS3 exclusive, im sure we will see more unknown devs doing this to get recognition.

[DeZv3]

I'm sorry but...what the f#ck is Bodycount? (apart from a Killzone 2 online game type thats is :P)