Six Reasons The Xbox 360 Is in Trouble

The PS3 isn't the only console with problems. Microsoft has an equal share of issues with the Xbox 360 that could prove just as harmful as Sony's. Here a six reasons why the Xbox 360 is in trouble, though not necessarily doomed.

[Staircase]

Oh boy... this will be interesting.

[jromao]

Just note how it begins, first try to show PS3 as faulty box:
"The PS3 isn't the only console with problems..." ????

then makes 360 as awsome but with few issues:
"..Microsoft has an equal share of issues with the Xbox 360..."

finaly returns again to PS3 making it as something bad (?):
"...that could prove just as harmful as Sony's..."

xbox 360 is going down ??
A: YES, proof is sales droped 61% as today news following MS reports.

SO, to whom "manufactured" this text called article (THAMMER1 ?), one question;

Are you beeing payed ??

[dantesparda]

Why is Thammer posting stories like this? very strange, for as, as far as i know, he is a 360 fanboy. Although i gotta say, he's what in politics we would call a "independent", he tends to swing 360 but will be more moderate about it than the average hardcore 360 fanboy.

He tends to try and be fair, but often comes out with smart-a$$ remakes against the PS3. But who cares about that, let me tell you's about the hot a$$ betty i pulled today. I think im in love with that phat a$$ booty. Anyways, play on, playas

What up T, Im going that way------> (or is it this way? <------- ) LOL!

[nasim]

i feel bad for those who have purchased one in NA

[THAMMER1]

Yes it is a trap. Any real gamer who knows anything about video games, and have been following the industry from any time before the PS2, knows that the 360 isn’t going any where. Look at all the posers who come to this site simply to B!T(# and whine about the 360.

The 360 is still in a strong position. M$ is going into a holiday with a lower price point than the PS3 and a better games line up. The majority of people out here are not so Sony brand loyal and the 360 is proving this.

Think about it is about to be 2008. Sony is behind by close to 4 million in the U.S.A. The 360 is going to have to stop selling altogether for them to catch up by 2010 with a higher price point. Sony’s global sales equal the 360 sales in the U.S.A. alone. If you use logic and see the PS3 only out sold the 360 by barely 6,000 units after a $100.00 price cut, free remote and 5 free movies, you would understand that the PS3 is in bigger trouble than the 360 hands down.

You know M$ is going to cut the price this year to keep market leadership. One the 360 price drop hits you will see what a real sales spike looks like.

[BLACKJACK VII]

Agreed - this site needs to change it's name to "News for Flamers"

Most of these Anti-Sony & Anti-xbox articles are a joke.

[Skynetone]

unless your a 360 fan-boy

it has hardware issues: FACT
10 mil sold in two years is a joke: FACT
Its failed again in japan: LOL

have fun ringing customer support

[DrRage77]

6 reasons why i am starting to get incredibly bored and fed up with this site

1. every other article is about the impending doom of one console or other

2. every other article is about rumored price drops, followed by articles of both confirmed by, and denied by, the console's company...and then denied again....and then another confirmation which is denied!

3. every other article is about stagnant sales, or surging sales, or back to stagnant, or back to one more week of surges, and then articles of impending doom are written based on weekly surging or stagnant sales....

4. check 1-3 above

5. check 1-4 above

6. check 1-5 above

[ShiftyLookingCow]

if there were no other news, this site would be very boring indeed

[edit] "MGS4/FF13 goes to 360" we had a lot of those I agree

[Phantom_Lee]

you forgot about the MGS4 rumor...we had alot of those too...

[MADGameR]

Ever since E307 there's been alot of bad news for 360 fans lol! It seems like they can't handle it. When PS3 fan boys had a lot of bad news, they did'nt whine this much lol. The tables have turned!

[Lord Anubis]

like N4G has anything to do with the media that is being output. What's next, you are going to come with the same conspiracy theory some kids think. N4G is making up sites to promote the PlayStation brand?

:|

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

I have to agree, it is always "doom" even though they keep selling. I mean hell I make fun of the PS3 daily and it's fanboys but it's not doomed, stuck in third maybe but not doomed it is the Playstation brand after all.

I been on this site a long time like some of you from the begining and it's getting pretty bad. Tomorrow it will be PS3 is screwed all because of this and more rings of death and more PS3 sales are sh!t and the 5000th HD DVD vs Blu-Ray and so on and so on.

You see alot of I hate Gamepro from Xbox fans and when MS pays Gamepro for the next thing they want it will be Sony fans saying they hate Gamepro. You see most gamers over the age of 21 knows Gamepro goes to the highest bidder, watch next it will be somthing bad about the PS3 or the Wii.

You right though N4G needs to do somthing, as much as I love the flame wars they are getting a little repetitive and stale (same sh!t different day) I think if we or they were to cut down on some of this it wont be so boring and stale.

Bubbles up DrRage77 for being true and real.

[Marceles]

Next article..."how to save the Xbox 360". I remember PS3 had alot of these editorials too. Damn I'm sick of these articles. Just let the consoles live, we don't need your "what I think this console needs to do" input because there's always going to be someone who disagrees.

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

Okay even logically speaking if they sold 1.6 million since demceber they are in trouble and the ps3 has sold about two with European launch and the wii has sold about 9 million in less then a year and with recent problems of RROD hitting the public I wont say there outta they are in trouble.The RROD wasn't in the public eye I even seen it on the news so now they got a problem on there hands...even with the disc scratching..sony only problem is price that can be resolved easily why hardware problems are often harder to deal with

If you disagree dont be a pus*y tell me why...You already took my bubbles away you fa*ots...I wasn't saying playstion didn't have problems either with their lack of software but you fa*s are just xbox fanboys...I tire of you fa*s...This article is about xbox and im pointing out problems I noticed..so BE A F*G and disagree you little bi*chtes

Also this is not about me liking the ps3, I never said the xbox wasn't good its a great system just have hardware flaws and time and time again in the first years of next gen they have been out doing sony..but I bought a gamecube last genration first and was so pissed...so now im sticking with playstion and then eventually once they get rid of the RROD problems i will be getting one..playstion has always had a divers line up even last gen and they are doing the same trend this time so don't blame me if I stick with sony

[ShiftyLookingCow]

Bubbles, I understand you like your PS3, but if Microsoft fails or performs like old xbox this generation, then next generation after this is going to suck very badly, gamers stand to lose. Ofcourse, RROD is cr*p but lets hope Microsoft comes back and holds its position.

[DG]

PS3 sucks because of the price. I will get one if it ever gets to $300 just for the bluray player. I have a 360 and the games right now suck (untill August). I want a wii and might buy one if I can find it used. Right now all consoles suck and Im still stuck with a P4 pc.

PS if the PS3 is still over $300 by the time MGS comes out Im renting a PS3.

[Numark]

you lost your bubbles because you use to be an immature fanboy. You use to make some of the most biased and stupid comments on n4g. That is why you lost them.

I have noticed you are making a lot better comments recently though. So props to you for that and keep it up.

[Maddens Raiders]

aha..(in Dave Chappele's voice): "gotchya b1tch!!"

*kidding* -- just a little fun folks, don't combust on me....

[masterg]

The article actually has some valid points.

I though the 360 was selling way better than the original xbox. Now I know better.

[ElementX]

Two reasons this article SUCKS!

1. it's gamepro, for christ's sake!
2. nothing new here, just a list of crap everyone knows.

like Japan is that important. they just recently sold a million PS3s. Publishers will SAVE money by not having to translate everything for the Japanese market.

I mean, MS should just give up in Japan. If they want a 360 so bad they can import.

The 360 could win in just Europe and NA alone. They just need to get more consoles out in those territories. Australia and NZ are important also.

I think 360 is doing fine. Sales will pick up this fall and holiday season.

[Dr Pepper]

While the xbox may have a lot of FPSs, it's getting a little old when people say that is all it has. Out of 11 games I only own 2 FPS games (both Call of Duty), so I know the 360 has a lot more to offer (especially with upcoming releases).

I am worried about the amount of money they have lost in the videogame business, but hopefully they can gain it back over time (but how much time could it take?).

[ElementX]

I love FPS! People are so PSYCHED about Killzone 2, OMG, an FPS and so many PS3 fanboys complain it's the only thing 360 has.

I know i'm psyched for it ;)

[Texas GMR]

It is getting old.

We as gamers have nothing to gain if one of the consoles cease to exist. In all actuality, it hurts us as the consumer, because the product we buy will not be as good due to the lack of competition.

The more Sony and Microsoft push it this generation, the better the next will be.

[Dr Pepper]

Not only will products not be as good due to the lack of competition, but the products will be more expensive as well (when your the only one selling it, you have no reason to lower its' price).

[The Swordsman]

This isn't news. This site might as well be FlameWars4Gamers with all this rubbish that gets in here, rubbish that nearly always leads to flame wars. Who approved this?

[WaggleLOL]

* The 360 is defective by design - two years in fans are hoping that maybe Microsoft will finally ship hardware that doesn't fail

* 50 dollar a year online charge - that adds up to 200 to 250 dollars extra you are paying for your 360 compared to other consoles or pc gaming

* No dedicated servers - paying for laggy online games

* Low players counts for online games - Gears of War could only handle 8 and Halo 3 can only handle 16

* Staggering amount of red ink - the Xbox has racked up some 7 to 8 billion in losses over the past six year

* Smaller than last gen disc storage - the 360 actually has a smaller amount of storage compared to last gen's Xbox - 7 gigs per disc versus 8 gigs for the Xbox

* Can't handle 1080p games - too weak to handle all of the fantastic 1080p TVs people are buying now and have to rely on upscaling

* Crappy graphics - games like Halo 3 look like last gen games and games like Forza 2 look even worse. Ignoring the usual Xbox marketing bullshots of course

* Getting outsold by both the PS2 AND the PS3 - In Microsoft's only significant market the US

* Dead in Japan

* Floundering in Europe

The only people buying 360s are form US Xbox owners. The rest of the gaming world continues to not give a damn about the 360 as they did with the Xbox.

360, trouble? No, more like train wreck.

[Art of Motion]

No words? :( This ^guy^ has problems.

[Sangheili85]

Fanboys at their best...

[Itachi]

The one thing i hate is companys abandoning there hardware SEGA but hey at least the dreamcast worked

[Ssxtreme36]

theres so many things wrong about that statement that i dont wont to even waste time correcting it....

in other words, hes a hardcore ps3 or wii fan.....

i mean, i favor ps3 more than 360 (not in a crazy fanboyish way) but i dont talk trash or make up wrong statements about another system without knowing the true facts.....

[SKullDugger]

I hope! that was alot of hate you had built up. But you have the right to your opinion, You must be a SONY FANBOY. Kinda last track of what the article was about oh well U feel better now anyway.

[Itachi]

Listen the xbox 360 is doing just fine ........................ NOT!!!

[tomfoolery]

It's fvcking LamePro magazine!They have been Sony biased since I can
remember.I think the last time I actually purchased LamePro was
1996.

AND ONCE AGAIN YOU PS3 DIPWADS are all over yet another 360.....
I'll say it again...360 article.Why don't you buncha c___suckers
stay on your own forums.Yer d___heads,that's why.
Now I'll say it again.The PS3 is sure selling like SHIIIIIIIT.

[Marceles]

lol @ 1996...seriously, the last Ganepro mag I got had Battletoads/Double Dragon on the cover, and I still have it

edit: btw, anyone remember those puzzle contests they had on Gamepro? You have to solve a puzzle and send it in WITH money in order to get the next puzzle and you get a big screen TV, the best sound system, and every game system ever made at that time...that always made me laugh but I always loved the picture with the tv and all the systems

[SKullDugger]

Here it comes jump all over this FANBOYS. Listen I see it this way and its just me I own the 360 ELITE and I chose it because of the games and I myself would rather pay 479.99 plus 69.99 for a 3yr exhange warranty and enjoy the games I like. We flame on each other but guess what any of U remember what happened to gaming when ATARI and COLECO went under it crashed and it will do none of us any good if the 360 fails or PS3 and the WII the gaming world needs all 3 to keep them on the straight and narrow, look at EA and what has happened to MADDEN and football. Remember its about us and gaming its our hard earned money that makes these companies what they are. ENJOY your games no matter what console U have remember it was your choice.

[ShiftyLookingCow]

finally. We do need all the three. We don't need Phantom though, its a piece of sh!t.

[StrboyM]

they will lose this gen the wii is at 9 million. with the failure rates of the 360, its easy to believe that there are more wiis in homes that 360's at this moment. the ps3 is catching up and sony seems to be making big announcement after announcement. they are doing whats best and dont have those issues that gamers suffer for.

funny thing is last gen M$ blamed it on the fact that the ps3 had a years lead, now they will lose because of thier years lead. shoulda took time and tested the system thoroughly.

[DreamTension]

I hit disagree on the guy below and it jumped here.

But since I'm here...It's just a momentum change towards the PS3. A few months ago it was the other way around: Microsoft was getting good press like gaining a share in many exclusive games and Sony was getting alot of bad press. It would have stupid to say the PS3 was doomed back in April and its just as stupid to say the same thing about the 360 now.

[JIN KAZAMA]

about time people ahve started to realise what Sony fans have known for so long. That the 360 was just a rushed piece of hardware that MS pushed out teh door, and not only is the company paying for it, and literally, they are PAYING for it, so did all the consumers that purchased that ticking timebomb. Its time for the public to know how crappy that system is, and what a waste it is to buy it.

@TomFoolery: Haha, i remember you said on a differnt thread a while back, that you have now put me on your ignored list, and now you are commenting on what i said. That must mean you really care about waht I say, because you took me off the ignore. You are true to your name, you are a FOOL for sure.

[DreamTension]

It broke after 9 months and believe me I PAID for it...I couldn't play Battlefield 2 online for 10 days!

Buying a 360 was the worst mistake of my life.

/sarcasm

[tomfoolery]

Yeah I vaguely do remember those goofy contests,hey,remember their
rating system,and didn't it have a cartoon face of some kid smiling
if the game was good,and doped out sad looking if the game bit?

EDIT;And here comes good ole JIZ KAZAMA spouting his B.S.as usual.
Yeah like you knew about the hardware issues all along.You found out
when the everyone else found out.And M.S. has and is taking care of it,
nice avatar punk.(NOT)

[Marceles]

yeah it had some cartoon guy and the better the game, the more his hair would stand up and happier he would be. I just remember the 5.0 face having a big smile and his hair standing up with a red background. I forgot what the sad faces were like...I think the guy was bald with a really sad face and a purple background. I remember one game had straight 1.0s...that was hilarious seeing all the faces

[TruthHurts]

because it trying to OVERTAKE the SLAYSTATION. the killer of all consoles who have rivaled. Going against Sony in gaming is a up hill battle, MS has had ALOT of problems, their on the ropes.

think about it.
MS has lost 1.2 billion this year, because of defective consoles (about 3 million).
So their is about 7 million consoles out there that have a pretty good chance of HAVING PROBLEMS.

if you think they`ll lose 4 billion dollars(for sure) alone on repairs (plus you lose $$$ right away from launch) and start sending more out to come back to add to that 4 billion. YOU...CRAZY. why do you think they only shipped 700,000 w/ HALO3 coming out in a month and a half?
Right now their playing w/ other peoples stocks (who don`t care at all about videogames). IF something doesn`t change quickly...........

MS is here to make $$$ not lose it.

[mmike855]

They are of pressing issues that are at the heart of the so called "console wars." These things effect the future of videogaming, and remember as a member you can approve or reject any article that goes into this site, and even report what you don't like about articles you have seen. If you don't like what you are seeing, the only people who are really responsible is us.

[mmike855]

Some companies get a lot of heat because they should. We are spending a lot of money on these machines and they need to function as promised. These are investments, and we need to know what is going on.

[DreamTension]

1) It's unreliable

My 360 broke once. Got it Dec. 15, broke 9 months later. I sent it in and I think it took 10 days roundtrip to get it back. They repaired the one system I sent and shipped the same one back. I called many different MS phone numbers and spoke to the highest level person I could to find out why my 360 broke and what they did to fix it. They wouldn't tell me anything and the guy actually said I couldn't directly talk to the repair center because no one there spoke English. LAME

2) It only sells marginally better than Xbox.

Good point. It could have sold better, but the attach rate on games, peripherals and Xbox Live are crazy. I would love to see numbers comparing the attach rate of the 360 to it's predecessor, or any other console for that matter.

3)A recent string of bad publicity

As long as the games are great, people will want to play them. If they can drop the price I think they will appeal to more casual gamers who might not follow gaming news like we do.

4) It has limited appeal

The growing marketplace will help. But the key here, again, is a price cut. GTA will add appeal.

5) It bleeds money

See #2. And charging $50 for XBL helps too. Not to mention, the system is has already been created and has released. I already have a 360, so Microsoft loosing money has no affect on me whatsoever. Games will still be made and the system isn't going to just disappear.

6) It still doesn't sell in Japan

The 360 can still be successful if only does average in Japan. They have some great looking stuff geared toward the Japanese market. Microsoft also knows full well that they need to make some kind of impact in the east. Who knows, maybe Japan will start to change in the future, like online gaming becoming more popular or maybe they will start to like Western style games more.

Decent article. At least they didn't mention Killzone 2.

[sajj316]

1. unreliable

Yes very. Next.

2. only sells marginally better than the Xbox

Yes. marginal. Attach rate ... hmmm. Good point but think about it. Who owns a 360 at this point? Yes, the 'hardcore' gamer. How many games do you think they'll buy. Small user base with a good bucket of high quality titles will do that. Question for MS is .... "what will sell the 360?" Don't tell me Halo because we know what happened last generation

3. bad publicity

Every console has its periods of negative press. The problems with the 360 are three things. (1) Top executive leaving 2 years into the market (2) 1.9 billion in losses in the MS Games Division (I think that number is right) (3) 1.1 billion in warranty because of faulty hardware. How can you possibly spin this as good news?

4. GTIV will not expand the marketplace. It will only satisfy the existing users + new 360 converts that are fans of the GTIV series and looking for exclusive content. Expanding the marketplace is exactly what Nintendo is doing.

5. It bleeds money. Yup, next. See point 3.

6. What is average in Japan? Average in Japan is Gamecube sales figures.

[DreamTension]

2) Personally, I don't really know what sells a console. I think the price is biggest factor. $400 is a lot of money for most people to spend on a video game console. Halo 3 will push a few consoles(mostly original Xbox owners/Halo fans that have yet to upgrade), GTA will as well(exclusive content will help, but so will the cheaper price of the 360 over the PS3. If a gamer doesn't yet have a next-gen console and wants to play GTA4, they may be inclined to go with the least expensive path to playing the game. They need to cut the price soon), Mass Effect might persuade some KOTOR fans to get a 360, and the 360 is great for gamers who want to play the latest PC games, but can't afford a decent setup.

3) 3 months from now no one is going to be thinking about Peter Moore leaving. Bad news fades with time. MS financial losses aren't affecting the amount of great games coming to the platform.

[power of Green]

I see you set up a room for group counseling For PS3 fanboys. Let it all out!!!!!!... We should do this more offten for the sake of PS3 fanboys mental health, nah!.

[THAMMER1]

$$$Remember players play.$$$

[Nicosia]

What this articale is missing is the fact that MS is doing something about those failures, and a lot of people are sweeping it under a rug.For a company to come out and say ''yeah,we screwed up'' is a bad thing, atleast they tried to make it better. And people stepping on those articale that spell ''doom for the x360/ps3'' should think about this, this is just premature thinking...its not reality.

[sandip787]

to be honest guys, at around december the stories were exactly the same but against ps3. by christmas, all this bullshizzle will have worn off and everybody will be appreciating whatever games they get, for whatever system they got it for. just give it a while and we'll be enjoying gta mgs4 halo killzone mass effect etc.
i mean we can ALL agree that this autumn/winter/spring(for mgs) has one of the best lineups for games of all time.

[Anything but Cute]

Halo 3 is the X-FACTOR, I agree. but what puts Bioshock and Mass Effect head and shoulders over Lair, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Haze, Ratchet & Clank, UT3.

Everywhere you look you hear someone say, XBOX 360 has the best games this year with games like Bioshock, Mass Effect, Madden 08, Halo 3. Don't those idiots know that Madden 08 is also on PS3.

XBOX 360, best lineup of games in history!:

(Madden 08, GTA IV, Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Assasins creed)

PS3 has no games:

(Madden 08, GTA IV, Rathcet & Clank Future, Haze, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Assasins creed, Uncharted, Unreal Tournament III)

[DreamTension]

Whose to say Liar or Heavenly sword are better than Mass Effect or Bioshock? They are all great games and no game can ever take away from another game's greatness. As long as both systems have a lot of great games, people will buy both systems.

[i Shank u]

who cares about ratchet and clank, dude are you 2 years old?
oh yea, theres other 360 exclusives mr. douche. like blue dragon, lost odyssey, ace combat 6

[trueltie5]

Here we go...this is where these Xbots begin to justify an excuse for this crappy machine...let it go...let the excuses keep pouring in...try explaining it to the shareholders who will be asking MS to pull the plug on the xbox division....it was fun while it lasted....Sega and Xbox are going fishing !

[DreamTension]

The hardest part is over for Microsoft. They launched the system and have made it past the first 18 months. With the new chips and the knowledge they gained from their mistakes, the 360 will only become cheaper to make and more reliable.

Why the hell would the shareholders want to shut the Xbox division down when they have already invested so much money, that they are slowly making back with licensing on all the 360 games that have and will release. Lots more devs are making games for the 360 than the original Xbox and the attach rate on the 360 is strong.

[otherZinc]

is going to overcome this silly fanboy press & blow the doors off the competition starting in Aug. & carry through the holiday season. You watch HALO 3 KILL!

[Whoooop]

I think that if the 360 (aside from the recent failure, RROD problems) could be in real trouble if they can't find a real solution to their recent problems and the new consoles start to fail or malfunction all over again.

If that's the case then that ONE problem can pretty much be sufficient to kill the 360 for good.

Now I doubt that MS will have the same problem again, but you'll never know.

Beside this I don't see any real trouble near the 360 this gen..

They have a great install base, great library, great upcoming line-up and a good amount of loyal gamers that haven't abandoned the 360 despite the failures..

360 is here to stay just like the PS3.

[Shaka2K6]

' ' is going to overcome this silly fanboy press & blow the doors off the competition starting in Aug. & carry through the holiday season. You watch HALO 3 KILL! ' '

Whats next after halo 2.1 though son? how will the x360 be againts the biggest PS3 tittles next year MGS4 and FFXIII x360 has nothing.

x360 is dead nuff said...

[i Shank u]

when you post on this site, is it only for yourself to read? as a halo fan ill tell you halo 2 was crap, not as crappy as you and your comments tho dude

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

I have a R6V, Shadowrun and a Halo 2 clan match to get to.

[MaximusPrime]

... i heard more xbox360 bad news than PS3.
Wii is doing excellent. No bad news so far.

[FeralPhoenix]

1. It's unreliable.

M$ is working on fixing them, along with offering a 3yr warranty IF, I say again IF you have a defective console.....having a hardware issue isn't a brand new problem only associated with M$ and just like in the past, its something thats fixable.

2. It only sells marginally better than Xbox.

That's called progress....or does anyone think it should have ended the console wars overnight against two seasoned industry veterans like Sony and Nintendo? Also, remember even with its well known hardware issues its still selling in comparable #'s (North America & Euro markets) even now with the PS3 which has had a price drop with free BD offers and remote.

3. A recent string of bad publicity.

Again, this is not a new phenomenon in this industry, it comes and goes, assuming this will have any significant impact in 1 month, 2 months when great games are released is VERY SHORT-SIGHTED, the great thing about the videogame industry is just when you think you can predict whats going to happen= you're wrong!

4. It has limited appeal.

"it needs to start doing something different in lieu of superfluous first-person shooters if it wishes to sell more." -Gamepro
-OK, once again, I would expect this from a blind fanboy, but Gamepro should at least acknowlege that the 360 has much more than FPS's, of course it does have plenty of them, but its unfair since the Wii has admittedly went for a different market and they actually have plenty of variety this early compared to last gen and so far compared to PS3 it has plenty of variety, but if you're expecting it too "go casual" or whatever it means to have a library and theme like the Wii, then you are foolish. Well, this is Gamepro, who at one point did a exclusive list comparison and "forgot" to include a couple of 360's most anticipated exclusives which was later edited. -I could say their website has "limited appeal", but that would just be a "cheap shot".

5. It bleeds money.

-So do you think that it would be cheap to establish yourself among two giants in the industry with tremendous brand recognition worldwide? -VERY SHORT-SIGHTED, yes losing money is a concern but M$ has said they expect to make profits later in the life cycle of the product.

6. It still doesn't sell in Japan.

"Microsoft doesn't need to dominate Japan. It never did." -Gamepro
-uhm well basicly even they admit they don't know if this is a big problem. 360 has sold 420,000 in the mighty Sony and Ninty backyard, once again thats progress, they only need a small marketshare and every console sold where everybody expects them to "fail" is a step in the right direction of getting that small respectable market share. They do need Japan, but things have come along way on the western front, there are far more new western IP's that appeal to the massive western audience, and if we are talking about hardware sales being an indicator of success as a whole, NOT regional...then the 360 is doing pretty good in that dept. of course a console that has been available for almost 2 yrs will have ups and downs, but thats business.

[THAMMER1]

The only people caught up in this 360 is failing crap are the Sony fan boys who could never see past Sony in the 1st place. They see the 360 is not failing so they want to believe this talk show BS to feel better about some thing that I will never understand.

People just want 3 things from a games console.
#1 Good price
#2 Good games
#3 Reliability

So far has 1 & 2 and is just fixing #3. Some people on this site are such rookies. They must think that people do not know that all they have to lean on is bashing. That is the a bad sign by it’s self.

[mcgrawgamer]

some of u guys are taking this fanboy stuff to another level, I mean some of you are downright out of control. Let me ask all fanboys this. Does your console feed u and put u sleep at night babies? Seeing as how some of you defend a freaking piece of plastic and wires like it's your momma or something...

[trueltie5]

"6" reason why xbox is in trouble ????????....it's more like 60 reasons why the xbox is in trouble....I seriously hate bursting you "xbox fanboys" bubbles but this can and will be the last machine MS puts together in the gaming division...mark my words !

[Numark]

"Sadly, Microsoft's ongoing string of mishaps may keep them from truly ending the year (or the season for that matter) on a high note"

whether or not the 35=60 gets in trouble, it wont be this year. The 360 may end up being horrible, but not in 2007. Nothing can stop their fall lineup. But they do have some troubles, but so does the ps3, and so does almost everything in this world.

[BlackTigea]

Has a consumer (like everyone here or so ) I personally hate reading those article about ones console problem or worse death. Hearing or reading makes you wonder if you did a good investment. I'm just glad nothing happen to me yet... with all this failure about the 360 puts you to questions on MS reliability. The 360 is a great system, same goes for the ps3. Could we just put this flamebait article aside. In the end non of us wishes to see our console fail. Also true, MS won't give up, this will not be the last console for sure.

Last but not least,could we just look forward to the many games coming this year!

[THAMMER1]

Every thing is fine. Do not get caught up in the media attention hoing. Just have fun. The truth is the 360 is spearheading the best video games generation in history. The 360 is the best format for Developers and 360 has the fan base of gamers who care about one thing the most "GAMES" 360 also has the games to back that up. The HARD CORE gaming community. Think about every gamer you know that is bad @ss hard core has a 360.

Take a closer look. A hater says a game sucks only because of the console it is on!? Evne if the game looks and performs better!?

A player plays the game to see if they like it. A hater says what you do or what you have accomplished is wrong or stupid but tries to mimic it and say they are starting a trend.

Like I have said before the haters hate and the Players play. 360 rocks and you can tell by the way the haters hate.

[Jdash24]

no good exclusives after halo 3, bioshock, and mass effect(which i think will suck, but alot of people seem to think it looks good, which is why i included it) come out......in fact i dont think any exclusives are coming out after these 3, just multiplatform games

[Dr Pepper]

I think that Fable 2, Too Human, LO, Splinter Cell: Conviction and Alan Wake will also be pretty good exclusives for the 360...

[RyuCloudStrife]

I see Xbox going down.

[ApocalypseShadow]

i'm not a gamer who would want microsoft or nintendo to ever go away(especially nintendo).but lets look at the facts.

1.unreliable

disagree all you want.if you fear that a system will fail,there is a problem.if you have to extend a warranty for 3 years and not disclose what's wrong with it,there is a problem.sony did not extend their warranty.nintendo did not extend their warranty.and you can't compare it to ps2 because 118 million plus ps2s were sold to retail and gamers.even after "disc read error,"there is no comparison between ps2 and 360.

2.selling only marginally better than xbox.

that means the same gamers that bought xbox are buying 360.some sony and nintendo gamers.but not a lot of newcomers.and i'll tell you why later.but all that talk from fanboys like elite gamer about the system selling like hotcakes or is the fastest selling WAS A LIE.

they sold half what they did last year in the same time frame.and we saw 11.6 million systems SHIPPED.that's microsoft's numbers for june.NOT MINE.11.6 million 360s SHIPPED.that means they FORCED 10 million into retail channels during christmas just to show investors the numbers.but failed to sell them all.so they had to lower their projections.yes,projections are guesses.but they guessed 13-15 million.but lowered it to 12 million.but failed to reach even 12 million.

3.bad publicity

robbie bach will be next for investigation.it smells of insider trading.just like martha stewart.he saw that his stocks would be affected and sold 6 million unscheduled shares.it's not like other businessmen don't do it.but he did it just before the warranty announcement.that's a crooked thing in my book.and peter moore leaving?that's just the beginning.more lawsuits will show up.count on it.

4.limited appeal

for all those saying 360 has a diverse lineup.you lie to yourselves.why?BECAUSE YOU DON'T BUY ANYTHING ELSE BUT SHOOTERS.what games do 360 fans always talk about for the fall?mass effect,bioshock and halo3.you don't speak of any other types of games.first it was ghost recon and call of duty.and now it's the same type of game.did you buy viva pinata?no!did you buy kameo?no!but you 4 million of you bought gears of war.your buying habits say you only like shooters and look forward to shooters.so any other genre gets left out in the cold.

5.bleeds money.

hasn't made any profit since releasing xbox1. 6 billion in losses over 6 years.how is this a good thing? you SPEND money to MAKE money.not SPEND money to LOSE money.that's the botoom line.there will be no price drop to help because that means losing more money.some of you just don't get it.they are doing great as a whole(microsoft),but their entertainment side is killing themselves to succeed.

6.not selling well in japan.

how do you win a console war without having a win in japan?lose japan equals losing games made by developers in japan.winning in america means losing everywhere else.meaning,you lose overall.YOU LOSE.it's that simple.

you can dispute the facts,take bubbles,call people fanboys,but you can't hide from truth.

[Bathyj]

Why are people always b*tching about what news gets posted? I thought that was the point of theis site, to take stories from all over the net and put them all in one place.

If you feel your console isn't being represented with enough positive stories, maybe you should search the net yourself and find some stories to submit to balance things out.

Things tend to balance out pretty well anyway. After months of bad PS3 news, were getting alot of bad Xbox news. Its not like to can censor the internet and if these stories are out there why should they be posted here? You know you could try skipping a story when you see a title that aggrivates you.

[Dr Pepper]

Bubble for you

[HaKeRsCanRotINHEL]

after the 360's popularity wanes $ Losing so much money? $

What do you guys think? ( non Fanboyish responses please:)

[Dr Pepper]

I think that MS realizes the popularity of every product increases and decreases during certain points. I do think they will stay in the game since they seem very commited to this business. They just have to keep coming out with great new ideas and games...and fix some hardware problems...

[s8anicslayer]

how in god's good name can this person say that ms is going to have as many problems as sony? i can't wait till the end of the year when sony is back on top and all these hater's are eating itshay! ouya owknay!

[Jdash24]

true....but splinter cell conviction isnt a 360 exclusive, its coming to the ps3 at least thats what i heard.....it may not be true, and also too human has been pushed back soo many times and has jumped from console to console, in 1999 it was suppose to be on the ps1, then it was suppose to be on gamecube, now its suppose to be on the 360, but i guess time will tell

fable looks ok....but i dont think it will sell consoles, i didnt really like the first fable and alan wake looks like it has a good story but gameplay will probably seem averages

as for lost oddesy, i just think it sucks, i wasnt impressed by it at all, just have to say

but i think i may need to sell a kidney to get all the good ps3 exclusives that are coming out......lair, heavenly sword, rachet and clank, warhawk, haze, uncharted: drakes fortune, unreal tournament 3, MGS4, littlebigplanet, killzone 2, and echochrome

[Dr Pepper]

Those are some pretty impressive PS3 games you mentioned(I was impressed at how good KZ2 turned out in the graphics department).

Now, about the rest of your comment. First off, SC: Conviction is a 360 exclusive. Secondly, we haven't seen much of Alan Wake's gameplay, so I don't think you should make assumptions about it. Third: Fable was pretty popular on the first console and, with vast improvements being put on this new one, it will probably be a huge hit.

I know what you mean about Too Human. I'm frustrated that it has again been delayed into 2008. Hopefully, when it finally releases, it will exceed my expectations.

[Jdash24]

ya i just checked on that for splinter cell.......your right it is a 360 exclusive......as for alan wake i guess we'll have to wait and see if they release some gameplay footage.....same goes for fable 2.....we gotta see what they've been doing with it and hopefully its enough to change some peoples minds (including mine)

and fingers crossed that too human will actually come out without anymore delays......after 9 years i think its about time it comes out

[Dr Pepper]

"after 9 years i think its about time it comes out"

I agree

[AngryTypingGuy]

The worst thing that could happen to gamers would be for either Microsoft or Sony to leave the business. As the article said, competition benefits the customers.

[Jdash24]

thats true, if it werent for competition it wouldnt push each console to create better games and hardware creating a better experience for the gamer

[Eagle Eye]

Sure all the fan boys are up and about on this one. Xbox has its problems but by the end of this year (god willing) those problems will be fixed. Then what will hold this storm back. The 360 hardware is its only real threat ( your greatest enemy is yourself, and thats the case with the 360).

Too add the 3 year warranty and the inevitable $100 price cut 360 has the potential to really let loose on the world just like Playstation One. This is Xbox great chance to establish it self, and take its place among Sony and Nintendo as a proven Franchise.
Do I think they can do it? Yes of course they have already had notable success, but they must fix the hardware. As the saying goes. To capture the world you must first capture the trust of the people.

This is something Xbox must do.

[Eagle Eye]

You know I cant stop people from disagreeing with me or taking my bubbles (and if you do disagree with me I would like to hear your thoughts).
But I always do my best to post a comment without offending another.
But I guess speaking of the success/problems of a certain console is a offense to some.
What a shame. But I will speak my mind.
But I will always do my best to clarify my arguments with respect.

[rowdy 1]

Is the blooming flower. The 360 is the dying weed. Man how things are changing. That article couldn't be more correct. The 360is is a damaged machine that's been out 2yrs and only has 2 good games. They charge for their overrated online service and crappy console that breaks and sounds like a tractor. Warhawk rules.

[Eagle Eye]

The Sony company fully bloomed during the PS2 age. This is Xbox second console and its not a dying weed, merely growing and mistakes will be made when a console is growing. Only after its Matured can it die.
A Perfect Example would be Sega for one. And $50.00 a year is hardly asking much, and its a good service and its worth it.

Edit: You say 360 only has 2 good games well I guess there is no accounting for taste. But I have around 30 games. And I like all of them.
Edit: dragon117 First I dont know what games are in store for 360 next year. Second Xbox live offers stuff that Sony and Nintendo dont have like achievements (points) that you can use to buy stuff. All and all I think Xbox has more to offer online then the other two so far. So I disagree it's worth the $50 cause you have more options.
Lastly About MS not making another console. I will not comment on this till I get this information. You would think it would of been posted on this site by now? Or did I miss it? Can anyone prove what dragon117 is saying?

[Jdash24]

i have to disagree with eagle eye, even if this is xbox's second console its also their last as they announced awhile ago that they would not make another one and after this holidays release of great games i dont see any really good titles coming out for the 360...but there are a few.........its been a long while since ive heard of a xbox 360 game coming out that ive never heard of before (for example, fable 2, alan wake, bioshock,.....ive known of these games existence for a long time) but i havent heard of anything new in development, but i see many games in development for the ps3 that ive never seen or heard of before....like echochrome.......also eagle eye $50 can almost buy another game, the online should be free like the wii and ps3....but some of the best games i have to say are multiplatform, call of duty 4 and assassins creed....need i say more

[snoop_dizzle]

have you considered the fee for xbl a game in itself? I mean think of the entertainment value.

Currently have both xbl and PSN and so far xbl is giving me alot more attention. Granted i just recently got xbl, but i also got PSN recently as well. If you want to play alot of games online, go with xbl. PSN is still getting on its feet. I dont hate PSN but it needs alot more content.

Fortunetly looking into the future the PS3 does look very good.

And to rowdy 1 , the 360 has more than 2 games, it has a pretty good # of good games. I cant really say that much about the PS3s game library though there are some cool games, AND there are some excellent titles coming out.

Fortunetly there seems to be some great games coming out for the PS3.

but hey thats just me.

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

Came on, I can point out 6 reasons why even NDS are in trouble... The fact is no system is perfect, they all have issues (as they all are desirable in some way) that could cause the system to "fail" in the market. But put all those issues together do not mean that some console is doomed, as the exagerated source try ro lead...

Just let it come as news, we don't need a recapitulation of problems. The average game could get well informed to choose a console with the news itself.

[M1am1U]

I think the whole "doomsday" scenario is way out of whack. Sony was considered to be in "big" trouble early on, but have made a nice recovery. Nintendo was considered to be lucky to finish a distant third this gen, and look what they've done. You have to take it with a grain of salt. Does the 360 have problems? Absolutely. Can they recover from them? Absolutely. It's going to take some work, but it can be done. What it will all amount to is an extremely competitive three horse race for this gen. Nice to see.

[bootsaf1]

Okay, I own all 3 systems. So that i think grants me the title of a true gamer. As far as some of the posts go, I cant beleive my eyes. This guy dragon117 is makeing stuff up as he goes. FACT: The next splinter cell is an exclusive (didn't you watch E-3 2007). Now onto more important things. Xbox 360 is a great machine, with REALLY great software. It's capable of a whole lot more than the ps3 is by far. In this i meen comunication, back grounds, music steaming, video streaming, video downloads, an assortment of games to choose from wether it be from xbox live or a game you buy from your local game store. It's an all around system. Now PS3, no big game's are out yet. Most of the games that are out you can get on the xbox 360 and their is no graphical difference. (although I will have people argue that one on me, if you have to argue it then your makeing it up on that particular subject). Now, the PS3 like i was saying has a few games out that are good, it does have good graphics, and it does have a good idea with home, (atleast a different idea that i think will go over good) But the fact is, you cant download your backgrounds on the ps3,the communication on the ps3 for rite now blows donkey sh*t, the games are just not their (although they do have a strong line up)just read dragon117's post for that line up, he was correct with that, MGS4, Lair, Killzone, Unreal 3, but i will have to say xbox 360 will have unreal 3, but then again you can alter the weapons, makeyour maps etc on the ps3 version. (Thats cool). And another great thing about the ps3 is that it does come with the blue ray player. Now after reading this post you will see that their are great things about both consoles. one has a better line up of games (rite now) one has a high def player, one is better on line (and probably always will be), So both are good systems, i say to all the gamers out their, treat the systems like the oposite sex, the more the merrier. Rite? well I always thought so until i got wooped by one. For now later, You will all hear from me again though.

[plexdk]

Sheesh...

All consoles have ups and downs... There is no need to start flaming on another, just because you fanboys have one prefered console.

Its all about games, not about hardware, specs, etc..

I'm more into playstation, thats just my choice of console. I dont go balistic when i hear bad news about sony/playstation. there is NO perfect console, or company without these ups and downds.. fanboys gotta learn to deal with it.

I don't ditch nokia phones, because i like ericcsons (now apple :p) betetr.. Nor do i ditch other car brands, clothes brands etc..

I just use the brand I prefer, and feel comfortable with..

How hard can it be?

[BigFART]

I can think of more...

[TheMART]

Nice way to earn the montly pricemoney Thammer!

Hahahah good trap for Sony fandroids. I wish I had posted it myself haahha

Dream on dudes. Lets make this article run on 2000 degrees, first article ever to get that score!

[Rhezin]

Well if they don't put in the 65 nanometer chip, to fix the red lights and make the system run cooler, by this august, consider them F!cked for this fall in terms of system problems, I think if this red light buisness keeps up even if they do increase the warranty then people are gonna be swayed to buy a better working system that doesn't fail them and that would be the ps3 or Wii. Xbox 360 has great partnerships with awesome third parties and are working on their 1st party titles, but if the hardware still manages to fail, it won't matter what games there are, people will just be sick to death of having to get their system repaired. And this is coming from one of the biggest 360 fanboys on this site, I love everything M$, but when sh!t breaks and I as a consumer have to wait to get my entertainment fixed multiple times, I'm gonna give up on this system. But hopefully this fall will change all that and new components will be put in, fix the problems, and be back on track to competing with sony to make the finest of the fine games.