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Analyst: Natal's launch line-up too big to fit all publishers, will "overshadow" Move

TVGB: "Microsoft will most certainly “overshadow” Sony’s PlayStation Move during this year’s Electronic Entertainment Expo with Project Natal, Pachter belives."

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captain-obvious5091d ago

i was interested tell i saw "Pachter"

sid4gamerfreak5091d ago

@captain-obvious: Thanks for warning me. Now Im not gonna read the article because Pachter said something. And its usually bs

young juice5091d ago

but if it were true, i bet most of it would've been middleware

Redrum0595091d ago

Ok, maybe. But I prefer a few badass motion control games instead of being "overshadowd" with casual motion games. Too bad I don't care for either. At the end of the day, when someone gets off work(like myself) I wanna sit back, relax, and play a hardcore game using a controler.

Anon19745090d ago (Edited 5090d ago )

If Natal's lineup is too big for E3, my hat's off to Microsoft! What an awesome job of keeping this secret. Here all we thought they had was that big red ball game, Milo and a game where you throw paint at the wall. I can't wait to see what they've had under wraps this whole time.

It's really clever how Microsoft kept showing the same, lame Ricochet gameplay for almost a year until almost everyone lost interest. Genius! I bet they're behind the stories about them telling developers not to make any shooters or action type games for Natal either, hiding Natal and controlling what video and pictures got out and leaking the $200 price tag. It's all been just a huge, reverse psychologist ploy!

Microsoft wanted all the gamers to think they're just trying to cash in on the Wii's casual game market and lose interest and then they're going to turn around and show us so many awesome games - gamers will all be, like "Woooow! You had us totally fooled. We thought all you had was party games no one cared about and virtual 10 year old boys rolling down virtual hills and laughing and rolling! And you totally surprised us! That was so clever of you!"

HolyOrangeCows5090d ago

I'll be amazed if after months and months of seeing just Ricochet (red ball game), Microsoft suddenly has a big launch lineup.
I doubt it, though.

And if games like Ricochet "overshadow" games like SOCOM at a GAMER-gamer's event....

darkmurder5090d ago

When will Pachter shut up?

Chubear5090d ago (Edited 5090d ago )

*a high end Exclusive FPS

*a high end Exclusive Racing game

*a high end exclusive RPG

*atleast 5 different party games (downloadable or otherwise)

*and no more presentations using the "colour me elephant" game or the ricochet game

If MS doesn't show atleast this to the general public then something is indeed a bit fishy I'd say.

Just wondering, what do you all expect to see from Natal after all the top secrecy?

Anon19745090d ago

Microsoft specifically advised against the creation of certain types of games using the Natal development kits. The main one they advised against was shooters.

This goes with what we heard from early previews. In demoing Natal to Eurogamer they had this to say.

"Tsunoda reckons that pointing won't work, but that you could position your arms as they would be when carrying, say, a shotgun. Which is all well and good, but assuming that Natal can't pinpoint the movement of your fingers, it's never going to know when you're pulling the virtual trigger."

Doesn't sound like we're going to see any shooting type games on Natal.

Trey_4_life5090d ago

Once we see natal flop everyone will refer to it as 'FATAL'.

frostypants5090d ago (Edited 5090d ago )

After the debacle that is the Wii library, nobody is going to be fooled by quantity over quality. Who cares if the Natal library is huge? If it's just a load of shovelware, the attention it receives won't be the kind Microsoft wants...it will instead be met with derision.

Microsoft is seriously misreading their market, here. 360 owners are a more hardcore variety than the bulk of the Wii base. If they are impressed by shallow movement-based schemes, they'd have a Wii already. And Natal isn't innovative enough to exert much pressure on Nintendo.

Some of the same thoughts apply to the Sony's Move. I do think they were a little more realistic, though, in keeping some traditional control aspects in their scheme. In doing so I think they are making the scheme appeal to their traditional base, as well. They took the "less is more" approach. I think with Natal, Microsoft jumped the shark, with the questionable assumption that fewer direct inputs = better, so zero direct inputs = best. I think they already know it but painted themselves into a corner with their own hype. It could get ugly.

Given the limitations of the control scheme, I am extremely doubtful that it won't be piles of crap. Perhaps I'll be wrong but I'm pretty confident on this one. If the Natal does get some AAA games, it will be after developers really get a feel for the thing and consumer reaction to it....what works, what doesn't, all that good stuff.

Halo Reach is going to be the big pull for Microsoft. I think Natal will be a bit of a "meh".

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sikbeta5091d ago (Edited 5091d ago )

Don't tell me this is Pachter?

lol well guys, we all know what happens now, everything he said is Wrong, so....

Death24945090d ago

That Bonus Round. I can't see how people still don't understand the basics of this industry. The tech doesn't sell the accessory, the games do. Microsoft is throwing money at 3rd party developers to make games for Natal. Sony is throwing money into their internal studios to make games, while also having 3rd party support. There is no way Microsoft's line up will be bigger than Sony's line up. No way in hell.

DaTruth5091d ago

Why does it seem like this dude has something to say everyday now. It's like he's about to lose his job and is trying to be right about something quick, so he's just throwing crap out there in hopes of a hit!

Saigon5091d ago

He has his own video show...

Imperator5091d ago

Aren't they launching at different times? Move maybe in the Summer and Natal in the winter. Unlike MS, Sony is banking it all on Move.

See, if Natal fails then that's pretty much it for the 360. It's game over for MS. If Move fails... well Sony moves on and continues to deliver groundbreaking games.

DigitalHorror815091d ago

If you look at the PSN, Move is sometime this fall. Both are this fall, probably October/November.

Imperator5091d ago

Perhaps that's the case, but I would say that MS will probably launch it in late November/December. Sony will probably launch a few months earlier. That's just my guess so we'll just have to wait and see.

Cueil5090d ago

There was a Microsoft rep who said Oct. was the release window

shadow27975090d ago

"Unlike MS, Sony is banking it all on Move. "

I'm guessing you meant "isn't" based on the rest of your comment.

Thudd5090d ago

Without a doubt that has got to be about the dumbest post I have ever read on N4G. In fact, it's so stupid I think you deserve a bubble for just managing to type it. Bubbles!

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Anorexorcist5091d ago (Edited 5091d ago )

I don't quite trust him anymore neither since after he made such a valiant effort to be the rebel and proclaim the PS3 would never rise any further after 2008 if Sony didn't drop or at least half-a$$ their Blu-Ray support.

Side question: has Pachter already applied for a navigation position on the Anti-3D Gaming boat?

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Bigpappy5091d ago

He does have some access though. Still I will wait for E3 to see what is shown from both Sony and M$. Very highly anticipated E3 though. Thats for sure.

Cueil5090d ago

it wasn't a prediction it was what he was told by developers if you watch the show you'll see it... it's pretty interesting show

frostypants5090d ago (Edited 5090d ago )

Pachter is the luckiest man I know of. He gets paid to report on video games, under the guise of an investment analyst. I mean really...friggin' dream job. The fact that he kind of sucks at it only makes me more jealous...I'd put my cumulative knowledge of video games and the stock market up against his any day of the week...

badz1495091d ago

not going to read the article but until something like SOCOM4 was revealed, how possibly could Natal outshines Move in terms of games? - I'm definitely not talking about casual CRAP here!

Inside_out5090d ago

Did anybody really think M$ had a WHOLE day set aside for nothing...we've had this conversation before...PS3 crowd in denial...nothing new...

M$ is going headlong into the casual market...the Avatars on XBL...They think Nintendo is the best...cheap little machine with a gimmick and sold 65++ million and counting...Sad if you like serious gaming...

Still looking forward to E3...great year for games...but make no mistake...casual games taking over....

Biggest5090d ago

You seem excited about casual games taking over. Or are you just defending Microsoft and their Natal because that is how you roll?

Dusdg5090d ago (Edited 5090d ago )

Games are games at the end of the day. If its fun ill play it. Tired of people saying Casual games suck. You know whats really funny Casual games have been around alot longer then what you consider traditional gaming. Pong was a casual game. Arcade games are casual games. So stop hating on them.

Ninjews5090d ago

@dusdg, that was the first video game to come out, there was nothing else at the time, so really it was a hardcore game. Arcade games casual? Dissagree completely, since all of them are designed to make you put money itno them.

ManGastaS5090d ago

In this world only exist 100+ millions harcore gamers and everyone that does not play games is a casual gamers 1+ billion. Microsoft is targeting this ppl (money)

Kahvipannu5090d ago (Edited 5090d ago )

Same here :D But I will read it just to entertain my self.

avengers19785090d ago

They had better actually show something. Because they haven't shown a damn thing worth while for Natal yet. For it to "overshadow" the Move they better bring on some games and hardcore titles at that.

8thnightvolley5090d ago

pach should please stop he give me nightmares with his wrong predictions..

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theunleashed645091d ago

*stops at pachter* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA!!!!!

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xc7x5091d ago

if Natal has a way to equal Move with hardcore games then that's where it'll be a thorn in Sony's side but until then,Move has the edge no matter how many more games Natal has,at least for me and most of the hardcore crowd.

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Why the PlayStation Move Failed

Sony's PlayStation Move may not have been able to contend with Nintendo's Wii, but it paved the way for PlayStation VR's success story.

SullysCigar961d ago

I use them most days and have for years 🤷🏻‍♂️

They're definitely way past a needed update, but I've got a tonne of fun out of them, so they haven't failed me.

bouzebbal961d ago

The best motion control platform it's so intuitive.. Died due to lack of support from Sony.. It had some amazing games

thorstein961d ago

They are used constantly for PSVR games. So, no they haven't failed. Neither has PSVR (or VR in general.)

Bigman4k961d ago (Edited 961d ago )

The article was talking about why it ps move failed before psvr came along

SPEAKxTHExTRUTH961d ago

It failed because it sucked plain and simple.

LOGICWINS961d ago

I feel that's a bit harsh. To this day, playing Killzone 3's campaign with PS Move/Sharpshooter gun combo is the most fun/immersive experience I've ever had with an FPS.

I think Move was simply not as profitable as Sony wanted it to be, but it didn't "suck".

SPEAKxTHExTRUTH961d ago

It most definitely sucked. You people can act like it was something special all you want but it was horrible. The entire motion control fad was a waste of resources and time. Ever single motion controller besides the Wii failed and is no longer being used today in gaming. It's ok to admit it...

Minute Man 721961d ago

@SPEAK

The Move was better that the Wii mote. If the Wii was anywhere accurate as the Move was you could say the Wii was better. Sure it sold boatloads but was it really played consistently??

yeahokwhatever961d ago

I played it in 3D with the move gun on a 100 inch projector and it BLEW MY MIND. I was exhausted, but i finished the campaign standing there.

SullysCigar961d ago

"Ever single motion controller besides the Wii failed and is no longer being used today in gaming"

Just no. Games release most weeks (for years now) that support Move controllers. Some ONLY use Move controllers.

Look, I get you're not a fan, but if you're going to rant, at least inform yourself in advance.

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LordoftheCritics961d ago

I would say both Move and Kinect weren't supported properly.

Sony and MS abandoned what could have been amazing.

SPEAKxTHExTRUTH961d ago

Kinect sucked too. I would say Kinect may have been cool had it worked as intended but it was ahead of it's time. Both Kinect and Move are gimmicks nothing more. I honestly don't see why Sony still implements "motion controls" recent controllers. Who really uses that crap? And to play what?

Profchaos961d ago

I so t think Sony abandoned the move it's technically repurposed and still supported on the ps5 just for VR

RedDevils961d ago

Kinect should be kept as media interactive features.

LordoftheCritics961d ago (Edited 961d ago )

@SPEAKxTHExTRUTH
Again if it was supported right.

Where even a fast click of my fingers could get an immediate in game response.

It feels trash because we have been shown or lived with bad versions of gesture based tech. Think Minority Report fast. That could be something.

''You people can act like it was something special all you want but it was horrible.''

No one is acting like it was special, I said it could be amazing.

''I think Move was simply not as profitable as Sony wanted it to be''

Like I said, it wasnt supported. Give us a AAA game with precision gestures well implemented into the game and then we can discuss profits.

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SPEAKxTHExTRUTH961d ago

I don't deal in "what if". It wasn't supported right and even if it was it was still a gimmick.

thorstein961d ago

"Like I said, it wasnt supported. Give us a AAA game with precision gestures well implemented into the game"

You just described every AAA PSVR game. And even the indies have incredible integration. No Man's Sky VR is insanely good.

Silly gameAr961d ago

And, you can act like it was horrible, but I had a blast with my Move. I had the whole collection of House of the Dead, Dead Space Extraction, and RE Darkside Cronicles, The Fight, and Socom 4, and I would play the hell out of those games I even beat a playthrough of the Resistance 3 campaign with the Move. Getting drunk and playing with friends was a freaking blast.

You can pretend that you had a move and played it all you want SPeak the Truth, but it was accurate, and usually on point. I hate when people act like they've played something just to trash it, when they really just have a vendetta, and think the Move is easy prey for your hate.

Minute Man 721961d ago

Wait you can play Dead Space with the Move?? I need it

Orchard961d ago

“You can pretend that you had a move”

I love this crazy idea that if someone has something bad to say about hardware/software - they must be lying about owning it and clearly do not own it!

Because all hardware and software has a 100% approval rating from all purchasers…

P_Bomb961d ago (Edited 961d ago )

Shoot I forgot about Dead Space Extraction and Umbrella Chronicles. Had those too. Still do (digital).

SPEAKxTHExTRUTH961d ago

I have a vendetta against Move? Lmao that's the most ridiculous comment I've read today. I didn't buy it because like I said motion controls are gimmicks. I had a Wii and it was decent enough but a gimmick although successful. I had a Kinect and it too was trash. Don't act as if you know what I have and haven't owned. Move was nothing more than a Wiimote ripoff

yeahokwhatever961d ago

SO MANY really great experiences for the Move. The Fight was excellent!

Silly gameAr961d ago (Edited 961d ago )

@Minute Man

There was a game called Dead Space Extraction that you could play the Move with.

@Orchard. Please don't reply to me, because every time I say something to you, I magically end up restricted. So, just ignore me like I ignore you, so there will be no hurt feelings, please.

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Vanfernal961d ago

"Ever single motion controller besides the Wii failed and is no longer being used today in gaming. It's ok to admit it..."

That is demostrably false.... Most VR games have motion controls and the PSVR uses the Move controllers.

SPEAKxTHExTRUTH961d ago (Edited 961d ago )

VR games have a controller most of the time not some magic wand. And VR is not the same as PS move or Kinect. I'm not a fan of VR either. A controller and a couch is all I need for my gaming needs.

Vanfernal961d ago

@SPEAKxTHExTRUTH

"And VR is not the same as PS move or Kinect."

PSVR LITERALLY uses the Move controllers. Now it's just obvious you have no idea what you're talking about. You're saying Move failed and nobody uses it anymore when it's an integral part of PSVR and is still being used in 2021.

ScootaKuH961d ago

It didn't suck. It worked but the games just weren't there, that's why it failed.

Father__Merrin961d ago

The move was excellent it was 1 to 1 precise time crisis was a joy to play aswell as sports champions it didn't hit mainstream as it was an addon unlike Nintendo wiimote

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Godmars290961d ago

Lack of games that proved the concept that 3rd parties could then copy en masse?

Silly Mammo961d ago

I wish that someone would have made a proper boxing game. I still have a blast with the Sports Champions boxing, but to have a boxing game that was more in-depth would have been awesome.

Dario_DC960d ago

Try Creed for PSVR, it's brilliant

OMGitzThatGuy961d ago

Because it was a uninspired ripoff of the Wii controller without the Nintendo library to back it and didn't try to put any real effort into development such as getting their top developers to make games for it and instead gave tech demos disguised as games to their least talented developers so the best can focus on single player only games.

Ryushaa961d ago

Except the Move was an idea roughly implemented in the PS2. Yes, I'm serious.
Just search on youtube: PlayStation 2 - Motion Controller (2004)

Nonetheless, just like the whole Wii, it was more of a gimmick than a proper input evolution in games.

jukins961d ago

Exactly. Its funny time and time again sony is the first innovate. Often at its own peril. Like your example the move started on ps2 taken advantage of by nintendo. Sony buys gakai for game streaming only for other companies to overtake them.

Profchaos961d ago

Are you talking about the gametrak on os2 which used strings to track your hand position I used to have this and a gold game it was awesome but the game itself sucked if it had integration with tiger woods or something it would be way better the tracking was excellent even back then as it wasn't using guesswork.
However the game was very forgiving and no way to turn it harder and no licensed players or courses hurt it.

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yeahokwhatever961d ago

99% of the Wii's games were "shovelware", in fact, I think thats what started that phrase..

EvertonFC961d ago

Socom, killzone, resistance and tiger wood 14 were great with the move but agree lacked more games.

yeahokwhatever961d ago

There were plenty of games and I'm glad that not every game became a Move game.

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These PS3 Games are Going to get Really Expensive

Could you get rich by investing in PS3 games? Almost definitely not. Can you make a few bucks by flipping PS3 games over the years? Yeah, sure! It wouldn’t even be that difficult. But let’s face it: Once these games are in your collection, you’re probably keeping them forever.

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CDbiggen964d ago

There's a reason I didn't buy most of these when they came out.

MadLad964d ago

After a game's multiple generations old, and can't be had new at a reasonable price, that's when I see nothing wrong with emulation.

What's the point of paying someone scalper prices when the dev/publisher isn't even benefiting from it?

mkis007964d ago

Emulation doesn't stop a games physical box from becoming collectible.

Knightofelemia964d ago

I paid $30 for SH Downpour on PS3 now it's around $70-$85 Canadian Lolipop Chainsaw I paid $15 and it has really gone up in price. I wonder if Transformers War and Fall of Cybertron will go up in price two of the best Transformers games every made.

neutralgamer1992964d ago

In 5 years time all those games will be worth at least $150 to $200 that you listed

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neutralgamer1992964d ago

Ever since Sony announced that they would shut down PS3 store these prices have skyrocketed and even though Sony backtracked now most gamers realize that it's a matter of time before the PlayStation 3 store is shut down. If you want these games get them while you can even if digital because once that story shut down the physical prices will just go crazy high we saw that already

And many of these games did not sell like crazy amounts so they are limited number of copies available for sale at any given time

MadLad964d ago

Folklore is a game I've always really wanted to play, but I got a PS3 late in the generation, and it was already really expensive to find, being it didn't exactly sell well, therefore was already kind of a collector's item.

Kept hoping I'd find a cheap copy randomly at stores and flea markets, but never happened.

franwex964d ago

I got mine for $5 at Walmart like 10 years ago. I have yet to play it.

neutralgamer1992964d ago

It was available at GameStop for a while for under $20. Don't know har happened but GameStop started to sell their used games based on ebay prices it seems

You can still find it for around $60-70 and which in my opinion is a good price for a game that will be worth double if not triple that in next 5 years

Mr Logic964d ago

Have you considered modding your PS3? Neither Sony or the dev would be getting money from that Folklore purchase. Kind of a victimless crime at that point.

MadLad964d ago (Edited 964d ago )

@neutral

Honestly, I just want to actually give the experience a try. I'm not someone who would buy it at a premium just to potentially rip someone off down the road.
I mean, there are collectors out there and if paying a couple hundred dollars is worth it to them then more power to them, but I'm not one to be on either end of that exchange.

I know it's taboo, but I might dig in and see the state of PS3 emulation on PC. I have a good PC, so it might be able to power through the often times poor performance, being PS3 is known to be hard to emulate.

I've never emulated anything past the PS2/Dreamcast but, as I said in my first post, I don't see anything wrong with emulation if the game you want to play can only be had used, with no money going to the creators.

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