Bioware: "You can put a J in front of it, but Final Fantasy 13 isn't an RPG"

Talking with Strategy Informer about the upcoming release of Star Wars: The Old Republic, Daniel Erickson, Writing Director for Bioware said that Final Fantasy XIII isn't an RPG. This was in reply to a question about the main staple of The Old Republic being its story, and how the game might be affected without good game play to support it, much like Final Fantasy XIII was.

[ActionBastard]

"You can put a 'J' in front of it, but it's not an RPG. You don't make any choices, you don't create a character, you don't live your character... I don't know what those are - adventure games maybe? But they're not RPG's."

[Pennywise]

FFXIII didnt seen like an adventure to me... more like a chore.

[4pocalyps3]

EXACTLY how i feel about playing ff13 and i LOVE the franchise. I still haven't managed to bring myself to complete it -__-

[Pennywise]

I returned it without completion. I just couldn't do it. I played for about 11 hours... more than enough time to get into a game.

Thanks for the bubbles, but is it even possible to get above 3 bubbles anymore, or are +bubbs just to counter the negative bubbles?

[thor]

The old Final Fantasy died after FFX.

FFX-2... sucked
FFXI... completely different
FFXII... very different and disappointing
FFXIII... very different and sucked

[Instinct_Gamer]

@ thor

Final Fantasy X was pretty garbage too.

[Heisenberg]

I was a huge FF fan since VII came out in '97, then I went back and played the rest of em. I loved every Final Fantasy up until X. I didn't care for X like most others seemed to, I found the voice acting cheesy and annoying, and the game seemed to take on a less mature tone, it was like a PG13 version of a FF, watered down to appeal to a wider audience. I also think to make a game like FF work with voice acting, you have to have great voice actors, and they have yet to deliver anything but cringe worthy, eye-rolleriffic voice acting IMO.

I feel like the old Final Fantasy style is gone, where the heart of the game was a profound little story with an epic journey. The fact that they were pushing the limits in graphics and what-not was just icing on the cake. XIII was by far the biggest disappointment yet, now it's as if they decide on a simple point A to point B style of gameplay, and then fit a generic cliche ridden story into it, whereas the gameplay used to accommodate the story, so the story didn't have to fit into such a basic mold.

SE has been surviving solely off the reputation Squaresoft built by making the best RPGs in the biz, and now, as much as everyone wanted to root for them, SE has tarnished that impeccable reputation, to say the least.

All I can say is I hope VSXIII is a complete turnaround, but either way, I'll be renting first, I used to just buy the newest FF day 1 no questions asked... Those days are over, at least as things currently stand. I don't know if XIII is a Jrpg or not, all I know is that it fücking sucked.

[Bolts]

A ghey and annoying chore at that. All the characters are a bunch of annoying emo, melodramatic teenagers, its as if the game was designed to appeal to 15 year old girls. I couldn't play this game for more than 30 minutes without laughing out loud at the stupidity of lines like "mothers are tough", and "your hero is here!".

Then there is Hope. A little kid who wanted to get "tougher" so he can work up the courage to tell Snow what an a-hole he is for killing his mother. If that isn't stupid and silly then I don't know what is. I can't imagine why any developer would want to insert such a character into any game.

[SaiyanFury]

@ Heisenberg

You pretty much summed up how I feel about the series. FF7 brought me into the series and I adored it on the original PS. I, like you, got disenfranchised with FFX. Personally, I know I'm in the minority here, but I loved FF12, being done by the boys that did Final Fantasy Tactics, a game I still love to this day. I've never tried FF13 simply because of all of the things S-E stripped from it to make it appeal to mainstream gamers instead of JRPGamers. Also, good call on S-E capitalising on the name SquareSoft made in the 90s making the best RPGs. Very true, and also very sad....

[Eamon]

yeah FF13 is a chore. I've played just over 20 hours because I've been told it starts becoming an RPG once you're in Pulse.

As in, you can actually free roam and have side quests.

But 20 hours of linear levels, p`ss-easy battles and tiring story, I cannot believe it till I see it!

[galmi]

same here, was too redundant and didnt even have the ff feel to it, it really is the worst ff I've played so far

[Millah]

My thoughts exactly. I used to be the biggest fan of Squaresoft and JRPGs. Gotta say, for a huge JRPG gamer like myself, this gen has been quite a disappointment. Its a bit depressing to see Japanese developers struggling to recapture their past glory in the face of an increasing Western influence on the industry. Kinda sucks but oh well.

All I can say is that the Squaresoft and Enix merger, with Yoichi Wada becoming CEO, has been the worst thing to happen to the JRPG genre. That, in my opinion, is what killed JRPGs. Its been trickling down ever since then and is now just becoming more and more apparent.

I'm really hoping for Suikoden 6 to come out soon. Suikoden 5 was the last JRPG released that was still truly amazing, in my opinion, so I'm still hopeful they can make more magic.

[DaTruth]

That was your mistake! It only really becomes an RPG once you finish the game and start the trophy hunt!

200 hours, full power characters and all weapons later and enemies can still stomp you in 3 seconds! There are also a ton of goals to complete and reasons to run all over. The only chore is the amount of work you have to put in to actually get the strongest weapons and the weapon assembly system is amazing with disassembly bonuses.

You guys must have been in it to hate it, because you never really gave it a chance. The game was designed to appeal to both hardcore RPG'ers and regular gamers, that is why you don't need anywhere near full weapons to end the story, but the rest of the game is much deeper.

[Noctis Aftermath]

He is completely right, i just hope square actually sees where they went wrong and tries to correct it and not just deny it and spew out a game with the same features.

I guess we will find out once FF Versus 13 releases.

[booni3]

ha, read the blogs.

[eggbert]

they are just trying to "westernize" and are failing badly.

[Tomdc]

It sold a lot and i liked it. But then I'm in what seems to be the minority that liked final fantasy 12 more than the series predecessors :P

Regardless of your personal feelings for the game though... Final Fantasy 13 is 100 times more RPG than Mass Effect 2 Bioware XD

[WMW]

lol mass effect 2 is barely an rpg too so they shouldn't be talking.

[Rush]

To be honest anything success gets hated on here on N4G. Not calling anyone fanboys but people here always support the underdog.

Here's a list of success franchise that get hated on.

1) Halo (Because it's the most successful none family IP this and last generation)
2) Xbox 360 (Because it's been profitable for the past 2 year PS3 turned a profit this week apparently not saying it's a better console just more successful from a business standpoint)
3) Nintendo (Because they basically came out of nowhere and kicked Microsoft and Sony in the nuts this generation)
4) Final Fantasy (Because it's the biggest and most successful J-rpg series ever)
5) COD (Because it's the most sucessful multiplatform IP this generation why I don't know the only decent call of duty game is 2, 4 is for morons)
6) Valve (Because this company is godlike and the only reason the PC is still a viable gaming platform)
7) Activision (Because there the biggest games developer on the planet at the moment although I here EA is quite close)

Sure there are other reasons for the hate, But n4g has a proven track record of routing for the underdog.

COD 4 the game for all morons alike is the best example. When that was released everyone routed for it being the underdog against Halo, But when the game it's self became a big dog everyone routed for BFBC2.

N4G likes the underdog but I wouldn't take the opinion of people on here as how the masses feel because it's so not.

Can you see the pattern

[XabiTheHumble]

or it could be because some people realize that the majority of commercialized products are garbage and the only reason products like these receive fame is because most of society dribbles from the mouth.. just a thought.

[Millah]

Yes Mass Effect 2 isn't much RPG...however Dragon Age Origins IS. A great one that is. So its not like Bioware has no credibility anymore, they can still make fantastic RPGs.

[AAACE5]

It's different from past entries but is still pretty fun! I almost wonder if they should have tried to start a entirely new IP with the design of the game, but they were probably depending on the namesake to grab people and get them into this new direction SE plans on taking all of their games.

[Chubear]

fight! fight! fight! fight! fight!

ps/ Cold, you seem to be just a bitter troll. Who the heck said Demon Souls is a JRPG... and why would they? It's an Action RPG and it's incredible. Chillax.

[frjoethesecond]

So is Demons souls made by a non Japanese company? Last I checked the J in Jrpg meant Japanese. Therefore DS is Both a JRPG and ARPG.

[Chubear]

this should be well known by now.

There have traditionally in the past been generally 3types of sub-genres for RPGs: Japanese RPG (JRPGs) Action RPGs (ARPGs) and Strategy RPGs (SRPGs)

Nowadays (especially) these sub genres have all sorts of blends but their foundation is usually the same staples.

JPRGs are a certain type of combat stlye that different to SRPG or ARPGs. They are often very whimsical in nature and though they may have strategy or action elements blended in their gameplay, they have a distinct gameplay mechanic from SRPGs and ARPGs. This style of gameplay is known to be very popular with JPN gamers and in the past, JPN developers have heavily focused on that market with their RPGs, thus the coined name JRPG.

e.g, Final Fantasy series, Lost Odessy etc

SRPGs may have similar story attributes to JRPGs but they're gameplay mechanics differ in the way the Xters move in particular set pieces around a battle zone. They don't typically have free flow to their battles and are the most rigid/structured/confined in their gameplay mechanic

e.g Valkyria Chronicles, Dynasty Tactics etc

ARPGs have way more fluid action in their gameplay and battles than these two sub genres. They maybe reffered to as WRPGs (Western RPGs) cause their style usually caters to western tastes and were made by western developers more often than not in the past. Their battle system is a lot more dynamic than the other two

e.g DEMON SOULS

[The Wood]

i hear your point

but you sure are a bitter one intchya

[aaronisbla]

cold is always pretty f*ing bitter, but he makes a good point imo ( can't believe im saying that ) I think most people who use the term JRPG know good and well exactly what it entails, we don't use it on rpgs that hail just from japan, but it has a japanese style of gameplay and story telling.

As great as Demon Souls is, i think people can only call it an action RPG, if you call it a jrpg, its only because it was developed in japan, nothing more. It has nothing the standard jrpg would have. nor does it have many of the things that makes common wrpgs a wrpg.

[DaTruth]

Than explain what the Hell a WRPG is and then you will see the point of the people who call Demon's Souls a JRPG.

You will not be able to because the whole WRPG thing has changed the meaning of JRPG, since WRPG really has no meaning except an RPG made outside Japan.

[Double Toasted]

Just going from the title I can say that...neither is ME2.

[DARK WITNESS]

I actually agree... I was kind of thinking, well who are they to go and say that after ME2. It was a great game yes, but in my opinion it wasn't anymore RPG then games like Saints Row 2. I mean you can change the look of your character in that and you can progress with the story at your own pace ( and lets face it, at least the side quests were more fun the scanning F"^%king planets !! )

In fact, I am sure if you worked out per square foot the area space that you are actually able to walk around in and explore saints row 2 is prob bigger. ME gave the illusion of being huge because of all the flying around you did. when you were out of the ship and going round the free roaming sections of the planets and stations they were really small spaces with not much to explore at all. My guess is BW filled up all the space with planets so you F"%^$king planet scan for hours and they can say the is more then 9hrs long.

sorry I am in a ME2 bashing mood now!

[Double Toasted]

Yeah, I'm right there with you. ME2 is awesome, but the 2 gripes I have with the game is the cover system(afer playing Gears, ME is kind of finicky to me) and the whole auto-apply of your perks and what not. Thats a big part of playing an rpg to me, fooling around upgrading your character and weapons. When they put that on auto-pilot...geez. I'm probably the only one that like scanning/mining the planets.

[DARK WITNESS]

lol, to be honest, at first I didn't mind the whole planet scanning thing because I really though it would lead to some really cool locations and what not.

but after playing through half or more then half of the game and realizing the most exciting thing I would find was Element Zero,
then add to that the fact that I had finished the game in 2 days and most time had been taking up by scanning planets and getting nothing really good from it - I felt like I had been coned.

And they took out driving round in the rover because people thought that sucked only to replace it with something even more monotonous...

ya, I suffered planet scanning rage for a week after that.

[Aloren]

Hmmm... RPG means role playing game, i'd say, you have a lot more influence on the role you're playing in ME2 than you do in FF13 (though I own and love both games).

[Megaton]

I've got a friend who was keeping his 360 solely for ME2 because he loved the first one so much, and he was extremely disappointed with it because of how much it strayed away from being an RPG.

I played ME2 before ME, and while I really do like ME2, I completely understand what he meant now that I'm playing through ME. Everything is incredibly linear and streamlined in ME2 compared to the first, like a TPS with vague RPG elements.

[karlowma]

I was also extremely disappointed with ME2, especially considering Mass Effect was one of my favorite games ever. They stripped most of the RPG elements out of the game, and left me with a completely unsatisfying action-fps title with barely a shadow of character development, zero inventory management (replaced by the worst equipment upgrade system ever), and episodic missions complete with a score tally that made me feel like I was playing through levels, not an evolving experience.

[Jack Klugman]

well dont go buy the title and read the article and you will see the criteria they laid out for RPG ME2 most defiantly is. If you say its not then demon souls is not an rpg either.

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

Double post.

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

Is a Shooter with RPG elements.

[duplissi]

well to be honest to say that bioware doesnt have the right to say that after ME2 is a little ignorant because just MONTHS before that they released dragon age, and dragon is most definitely an rpg (really good one too) anyway i think of mass effect as a new breed of rpg "rpg shooter" which is for the people who dont give a damn about stats but still have control over the story.

[tplarkin7]

I've been burned too many times by Square Enix. They need to have a phenomenon, and after the phenomenon gets stale, I might pay attention to one of their games.

[hamoor]

final fantasy just went wrong after ffx,i had more fun replaying ffvii again on the psn than playing ffxiii for the first time

[miyakoS]

choices aren't necessary to role play a character, and neither is character creation. These are developer TECHNIQUES to encourage rapport for Western gamers with short attention spans and limited imagination; these devices are some of the means and not the end in of themselves... Role-playing games can be great with or without relying on such time-tried methods. Just because Dungeons & Dragons did something one way doesn't mean role-playing games for all eternity have to follow its precedent.

[almasy919]

LOL, typical jrpg fanboy. Yeah, those darn modern JRPGs are filled with amazing ideas and imagination. None of those typical rehashed tropes and designs, nope. Can't be that most of them are aimed at Japanese teenagers and as such many of their stories don't rise above more than save world, get girl(but not really!), and oh right, 8th grade level philosophy.

FFXIII according to its developers had more in common with an FPS than an RPG, so yeah, I'll go ahead and agree with Square Enix and say it ain't an RPG and consider it a lame adventure game with limited interactivity with yourenvironments. Yay.

[Redempteur]

"None of those typical rehashed tropes and designs, nope"
Are you talking about rpgs as a whole because Wrpgs are suffering from the same problem Jrpgs have ( lack of innovation )

Interractivity with environnements was NEVER the main focus of jrpgs.
Jrpgs focus on the story they have to tell or on their battle system (or both ) interractivity ? it's not revelant at all ..

[Esena]

I don't believe he was speaking like a jrpg fanboy at all...what he said was simply true. A role playing game doesn't need to involve character creation and choices, a rpg can thrive on quality character development and customization with a engaging story.

The main problem with modern FFs is that they take away a "main" character. They give you choice, but in the wrong area! The greatness about each other FF is following the main character and caring about him/her. 12 and 13 do not center around any main character and actually have some pretty terrible character progression all together.

Please SE go back to making quality RPGs....Chrono Cross comes to mind...

[miyakoS]

Dude you'll notice I never defended Final Fantasy XIII or JRPGs in general. Did I say FFXIII was a good game? You're the typical gamer with limited attention to detail. All I've said is that RPGs do not need choice or character creation, whether they're made in the West or the East, and that Western gamers who fuel stupid arguments like how a game doesn't let you choose your avatar's personality isn't really a RPG need to shut up already.

[Redempteur]

Someone please tell him the difference between Jrpgs and Wrpgs!!

[Persistantthug]

But he's right.

[booni3]

No, they are the RPGs bioware makes.

[tinybigman]

But ME2 is more a TPS then an RPG, so please Bioware shut your mouths and just make your games.

I love FF13, ME2 and even though ME2 is the better made game I've put in more then a 100 plus hrs into it while only putting in 30 for ME2 with the disappointing final boss.

Please don't start making me hate you like I do turd-10, crater face, and peter m.

[duplissi]

they do and i do believe dragon age is very very rpgish, so i think its safe to say that they are still credible rpd devs. i agree with them to a point about ff13.

anywho while i think this comment was unnecessary i dont however think they are even nearing turn tens level of absurdity, and its not like ME2 and ff13 are competing for the same audience anyway.

[Sevir04]

but he's actually right. FFXIII actually felt like an adventure game and NOT and RPG!!!! it felt more like a Japanese adventure game with RPG elements.

[sikbeta]

BAM! There you got, in Wada's Face!!!! lol

SE needs to get back to it's ROOTS and stop with the whole "westernization" crap

[Army_of_Darkness]

as dissapointed as I was with FF13, you still cannot talk sh1t like that about Final fantasy! SE will put you in your place when they release FFvs13!!!

[Abriael]

Bioware should think about the quality of their own games, that lately has been plummeting (and I say this as a Bioware fan), before even thinking about criticizing others.

[Tony P]

Imo no RPG they've made has matched the overall quality of BG2. They have made stellar RPGs since, but nothing with that level of depth.

ME I think is very typical of what so-called good RPGs have become: Action RPGs.

Which is fine. I don't have to have turn-based anything. It is however, unfortunate that the games seem to lose so much depth in the transition.

[Anon7349]

He's not right. He's completely wrong.

Whether you can choose what happens in the story or not, whether you can be good, evil or not choice at all, whether you can make choices or not.. you STILL PLAY A ROLE AS A CHARACTER.

Yes, that does mean 99.9% of games are infact "RPGs."

Although video games itself have this whole thing with genres mixed up. There's hardly any controversy if a movie is a romance or a thriller...

Videogame genres should be based on what theme they are, whether it be Horror, Comedy, Action, ect and not what the gameplay is unless it's something like an arcade like, racer or something like that.

Maybe we need a completely different way of telling people how the gameplay is.

[Homicide]

FFIX, VI & IV were the great ones. Shame, the series went downhill after IX.

[Ninja-Sama]

FFXIII was the lamest experience I've had this gen. There's only so much walking in a straight line and going into battle after battle that I can take.

[Reibooi]

@Action Bastard

Yeah and you never did any of those things in any of the other Final Fantasy games either yet those are still J-RPG's.

This is just another example of Bioware trying to down the JRPG genre and make themselves look like pompous gods.

One could argue that Mass Effect 2 isn't a RPG and is just a shooter with a really good story and leveling system(I mean how many games these days have tons of choices for the player and are not considered RPG's?

They need to stop talking and just make games. I love their games Mass Effect 2 is all I have been playing lately but they really need to stop talking because the more they talk the more I lose respect for them. All they seem to do is try to cause drama each week with a new interview in which they are bashing SE or JRPG's in general.

[FACTUAL evidence]

Honestly, with all the continuous fighting i did in ff13, they should of just put random battles in the game sheeze.....I must say I would rather have random battles than play ff13 again.

[Varodor]

and it say guys who create gears with rpg elements...

[Denethor_II]

I didn't like this game and got about 10 or so hour into it and gave up. After completing my stellar line up of PS3 games I thought I would give it another try and am now 20+ hour in and can honestly say its a great game. The combat for me is the main point as its so engaging. It doesn't give you a moments thought as you try to reach that stagger point. Its a Action/Western/(slight)RPG with anime characters.

[bakasora]

the downfall of squarenix

[ELite_Ghost]

more like JPOS
Piece of sh1t!

[The Meerkat]

but Final Fantasy 13 is a HIT game.

[Corrwin]

I lol'd.

[ClownBelt]

Well at least it's better than any of your RPG bioware.

@Harry

That's true.

[Doc Sony]

lol no...

[BannedForNineYears]

Oh snap, you went there.

But I should seriously look up the definition of "RPG", I realize it stands for role playing game.
But isn't every single game ever created technically a role playing game? xD
Uncharted 2, you take the roll of Nathan Drake, you play the game.....It's a game.
Roll playing game.......
-___________-

[yog-sothot]

well, in that case, I'd say that Pong is quite a basic RPG

[bym051d]

I've played every numbered FF game, including XI. I very much dislike XIII. It's better than none of the Bioware games I've played.

Bioware is the current king of RPGs.

[Redempteur]

Keep telling yourself that ...in the end , after your self hypnotism end , you'll trully believe what you are saying ...

Or maybe it's time for you to play a breath of fire, a suikoden , a vagrant story , i dunno , a tri-ace game ( i recommand valkyrie profile ) or a dragon quest game

And then MAybe you'll have enough information to make that statement ...

[IrishAssa]

Aren't all of them old games?

[Bodyboarder_VGamer]

and your point?

BTW I'm not trying to defend anybody, I just want to know your point. Because in my opinion the only good Jrpg this gen have been Valkyria Chronicles and maybe Lost Odyssey. I'm a huge Jrpg fan and FF fan but after going from a disappoint to the other I just stopped playing this gen Jrpg's because they all suck (real bad) so now I'm mostly playing old Jrpg's.

My next current gen Jrpg will be either WKC2 (the first took 2 years to go out of Japan) because I kinda enjoyed the first or FFvsXIII because the "new changes (overworld map? interesting)" sounds like an aspect I would like to see returning. I'm still trying to forget about FFXIII and hoping that Square will too. Their effort to casualize FF were a failure, FF was mainstream to begin with, I don't why they tried dumbing down the frachise so much... FFXIII was hardly an rpg. All you did was follow a one way corridor and when you got to Pulse there was nothing more than missions that consist about killing monsters. But I been fighting enemies all the time!

You could develop the rols in any way you wanted but there wasn't that much choice anyway. The battles were more about speed than strategy so you'll always use "libra" and the auto-command so, the gameplay was reduced to press the X button like a maniac and occasionally to chage rols to cure your party. FFXIII was all about graphics and presentation for the next-gen gamers that only care about graphics.

[IrishAssa]

My point is he said Bioware is the CURRENT king of Rpg's.
They are the current kings, they're the only ones giving out quality games every year.

Old Jrpg's are my favourite too, for example I preefare Kotor to Mass effect 1/2. I prefare FF6 to 7, Chrono trigger is one of my favourite games, you get my point. Bioware is Rpg king this gen

[bym051d]

Yes, current. You could make an argument for Altus. I really like the Persona games, but Bioware puts out far more good stuff.

And you can act like I'm not educated about old JRPGs. I cut my teeth on Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior (that's what we called the DQ series before we knew better) and have played just about everything since then. Until Mass Effect came out, my favorites were FFVI, FFVIII, and Chrono Trigger.

Maybe I'll end up with enough information though...

[almasy919]

Ha...ha..ha. *wipes tears*

[IrishAssa]

I disagree, Kotor is MUCH better than FFXIII,

When a game is an rpg its not lierally a game where you play a role, You can tell whats an RPG and whats not, Mass effect 2 is an action game with a bi of powering up. All actions games have this in some form, God of war III has spending kill points for better moves and stuff. Yet it is not an Rpg in any way.

You will know whats an Rpg and whats not.

Edit: I've played ff4 ,6 to 10 and 13.
I wish I never played 13.
All bioware games are better and KOTOR is way better Imo

[booni3]

Are you being serious? like, really? Your not being serious are you?

[Simon_Brezhnev]

ME2 is not even a RPG but i do agree with one thing i just got FFX13 and so far the story is better then ME2. I guess every game that lets you create your own character is an RPG in his terms.

[duplissi]

why is it that everyone in this thread only think of ME2 when it comes to bioware games? i mean honestly baulders gate, neverwinter nights, kotor.. mm awesome game, jade empire, dragon age- all of those are most definitely rpgs (really good ones too)

oh and btw dragon age is more rpg than most rpgs........

people are soo short sighted these days....

[hyaru]

And.. even better, it runs well..

[DigitalHorror81]

I actually played FF13 and THEN went to Dragon Age---WOW, should have played D.A. FIRST---I wasn't ready for the graphical meltdown that ensued. Granted, graphics aren't anything, but still.

[ManGastaS]

you play graphics hein!

[ManGastaS]

you play graphics hein!

[Akagi]

It's beautiful on PC.

http://www.31012.com/images...

I do, however, agree with you that on the consoles it looked and indeed performed horribly. Bad optimization. How you guys played through it all on consoles is beyond me.

[Darkfocus]

PC dragon age destroys FF 13's graphics and runs well even on weak hardware. the game just wasn't optimized for consoles.

[foxxy]

How many time has bioware talked about ff13 get off ff nuts and I liked ff13 idc if people thought it was a chore your loss.

[PS360WII]

Well just because you can choose to be a nice person or a bad person in your adventure games doesn't mean it's an rpg either then...

You can break apart a genre all you want but there are still fundamentals in them. You are still playing a role in a characters story and leveling their skills as you see fit.

[zaz12]

DA is good but the graphics sucks.

[Lucreto]

It is all a matter of opinion, for me I played FF XIII for 113 hours. I love the game to bits. Played Dragon Age for 15 hours before I got bored, Never played KotoR or Mass Effect.
FF XIII has all the fundamental RPG elements so it is an RPG if people liked it or not. Even more FF XIII looked and ran better on the PS3. Bioware should just work on their own games and not pass comment on the competition as it will work against them.

[frjoethesecond]

I'd probably agree that the Role playing aspect is limited or allmost nonexistant but It's still a great game IMO. I like that sqeenix tried something new.

[fallingdove]

I hated Final Fantasy 13, I later had to play through Final Fantasy 6 and Xenogears to get the bad taste out of my mouth.

[NeoBasch]

Wow, you guys are hilarious. Defending your favorites while persecuting perhaps one of the most majestic and philosophical games to emerge on the market. If you liked Xenogears, you should be all over this. Your taste leaves something to be desired. If you want depth in your games, play FFXIII, you're just buying into the western media's propaganda. Silly gamers, think for yourselves. I won't go as far as to say brainwashed, but you guys are pretty pathetic. Like I said before, in about two to three years, y'all look like idiots for dismissing this gem.

[fallingdove]

Are you kidding?

One of the most majestic and philosophical games to emerge on the market?

(I played it from start to finish by the way.)

Wow. I can't believe that you would refer to the trash that is Final Fantasy XIII in such a way. It has nothing to do with Western Media.

With Final Fantasy XIII, you have a truly fascinating idea with horrific implementation. The story is told in such a way that it completely alienates the viewer and requires external disection and a frequent of the ingame encyclopedia.

The gameplay lacks variance or purpose. I mashed buttons more in this game than in any action game I have played. There was little reason to do otherwise.

The characters were annoying, mostly because they weren't true to either culture square was catering to but a hybrid bastardization of cultures.

My opinion has nothing to do with the media but everything to do with 20+ years of JRPG play and a passion for good story telling.

And I'll never look like an idiot for dismissing a game that didn't work for me, but you already look like an idiot for stereotyping an honest opinion.

[Bolts]

"persecuting perhaps one of the most majestic and philosophical games to emerge on the market"

HAHAHAHAHA!!!! The only majestic thing about it is the extend of the game's epic melodramatic failure. How anyone on earth can relate to, or find any of it's pathetically emo characters like-able is beyond me.

[Bodyboarder_VGamer]

You know, I did the same but in my case I went back to FFVII. FFXIII was a huge letdown.... I bought a PS3 just for FF, I waited 4 years and now I'm playing a 10 years old game and having more fun.

BTW first time playing VII and I already have all the materias, gold chocobo, ultimate weapons and practically beat every side quest. I used gamefaqs but when I was on the third disc and very few times... I started Xenogears, I'm about 40 hours in but that was in February, I think I'll need to start from the beginning because I already forgot more than half of the plot. =(

"libra" If you want depth in your games, play FFXIII"

What? Depth and FFXIII are two things that shouldn't be mentioned together. There's no depth to be found there... The story was all about their "focus" and back story that is never told. The gameplay? Just read my other comment. From what I have played of Xenogears it goes deeper than FFXIII in the story aspect (gameplay wise Xenogears was in fact pretty basic) and that is a 10 years old game made for the archaic PSX. There so much more than questioning their focus and god's purpose in a casual way, Xenogears touch themes like reencarnation, love in a mature way (there's even one scene were you can clearly understand that Fei and Elly had sex?! OMG the taboo and in a PSX game? NO WAY), hate, religion, war, total madness, etc.

FFXIII is just a cheezy story with a bunch of emos whining over and over again during the entire game about the same thing. Nothing in the game shows any kind of cruelty, or impressive plot twist or event like the death of Aeris... The antagonist are all forgettable and lame, there's no real threat for the main characters, they are too powerful. I could keep looking for more flaws, we should make a forum thread to educate all these kids like BaschPS3 and sorry for my bad english.

Now have fun with your corridor, lame characters and weaksauce story. At least it looks (graphics) and sounds (music) pretty...

[fallingdove]

I love Xenogears but it isn't for everyone. Its the only game I have been able to play as a Schizophrenic Kung Fu master on a quest to destroy god with a giant robot.

[darthdevidem01]

Cheesy story, emos whining, weaksauce story.....sounds like your talking about FF7, FF8 or FF10 not FF13 hahaha

Continue to live with nostalgia goggles on while I enjoy the 300th hour of FF13 & continue to play FF6 on my GBA

[XabiTheHumble]

Go easy on the man will ya LMFAO!!!

[mac_sparrow]

sadly my interest in FF has lowered with each and every release since VIII. X was playable, X-2 was dire (got a promo and still felt cheated, but of my time) and XII seemed good at first but I never got the desire to finish it.

XIII is one of those games that I'll pick up when it goes cheap, I tried it and it seems worth a go, albeit at a bargain bucket price.

Here's hoping the next fully blown FF is a major kick up the backside in the awe inspiring department.

[tplarkin7]

I agree. If I buy a used copy for 10 bucks, it'll be worth it.

[Malebaria]

Even if Bioware´s right why should they comment on another company´s work? ~
@tplarkin7
I´m totally with you,just meant why should Bioware care,just focus on your games.

[tplarkin7]

It's called freedom of speech.

[NeoBasch]

It's called being ignorant. They obviously didn't beat the game if they're spouting stuff like this. Why's it matter anyways? FFXIII was an amazing game.

[SuperStrokey1123]

Why cant they, they never said it was a bad game or anything like that. They simply said that it should fall under a different genre maybe. Nothing wrong with that. If Nintendo called super mario games sports game would you not feel that you had to correct them?

[mastiffchild]

@tplarkin-there's freedom of speech for sure but criticising your peers in this way is very unprofessional, unnecessary and could come back to bite Bioware on the arse the next time they fail to light up the critical world.

Increasingly devs, esp in the west, are acting in a similar way to this and it just shows how immature an industry gaming is. Gabe and Valve dissing both PS3 and it's gamers fall into the same boat for me-we just need to have industry figures being more grown up than this as it sets a bad example for the billion fanboys and legitimises their childish acts as well.

So, yeah, it's demonstrating free speech but at what cost? You enjoy flame wars I trust? Sadly, I don't.

[Tony P]

Freedom of speech has nothing to do with it.

There is a sizable difference between the *right* to speak and the *sensibility* of what to say.

I like BioWare a lot more than SE. They've done great things. But they're flirting with conceit and that is a very ugly thing indeed.

[MechaGear]

Few so called rpg's actually are.
Does anyone here remember the first computer rpg's?
What did they have in common with the original pencil and paper rpg's?

Stats and chances.
It was all about statistics and dicing them out.
Real roleplaying never occurred in computer games.

Ever been on a roleplaying mmo server?
Yeah, nice try.
There is no real roleplaying on computers or consoles, and Bioware is not going to change that.

[rakunado]

Totally agree with you mate.

I remember the SSI gold box games like Dark Queen of Krynn and Pools of Radiance. They were supposedly RPG but they weren't. It was just rolling for stats and playing your characters against a linear storyline with free wandering aspects.

Then the games advanced and you had much more detailed games like Ultima VII Black Gate, Darklands, Elder Scrolls(Original and Daggerfall), and Wizardy 8, but yet they were still storyline based, and had you rolling and managing stats.

The JRPG's were likewise, they were all stat based that evolved around a story as well. From Dragonquest, Chrono Trigger to Genso Suikoden.

By the time Final Fantasy VII and Baldur's Gate was released the same methods were used along with the same linear storylines.

Then we had KOTOR and Vampire Masquerade which now gave you a stat based game with GASP a choice to become evil and good. Apart from the certain choices it was still linear with stats.

Now we are in today's age and we have games like ME2 which was a brilliant game. But in no way is it a true RPG as well. If anything it has a tree a choices but the character stat development and perks have all been dumbed down and the eventual outcome still branches into a number of endings that can be counted on 1 hand(although some people would argue with the character death system at endgame).

I think everyone has forgotten what the real definition of RPG means. RPG means playing a character and living in a world where you can do anything! Unfortunately "anything" does not relate to Peter Molyneux's touch mechanics, or Bioware's choices tree, or JRPG's epic storylines. A Real RPG can only be done by pencil and paper and a story teller. Hence why GURPS, AD&D, and many other pencil and paper games have stood the test of time and are still around today although not as popular as in the 70's and 80's.

Until developers truly perfect A.I will we eventually be able to classify computer games in the form and class of true RPG.

But right now, everyone can spin crap anyway they want. There is no such thing as a proper computer game RPG. There never was.

Honestly wether its JRPG or WRPG, it doesn't really matter. Right now computer game RPG's are classified in that genre if you A) create a character, B) have some form of stats, C)use that character in a storyline D) gain experience as you progress through the game

Bioware claims because they give choice they are an RPG. A few choices do not make a REAL RPG either. You could argue does "dumbing" down the game to only have 3-4 weapons per weapon type a real RPG? At least Morrowind, if you saw a guard wearing cool armour, you can kill him and take that said armour he was wearing, you can go into a store and steal everything, and kill the occupants in a house. Can you do that in Me2? NO... hence it is not a REAL RPG either. The ME2 storekeepers are no different from storekeeper save points in FF13. You pay money you get an item, you can't steal "said" item, or even kill the shopkeeper to get "said" item.

Eitherway I am just trying to show how stupid this argument is. Regardless if it is JRPG or WRPG, they should still be grouped and classified together because as far as I'm concerned, there still aren't any real computer game RPG's.

Bioware should just continue to pump out great games instead of trying to think they are the pioneers of something that is still elusive to us due to technology.

[Tony P]

^^Well, I'm glad somebody said it.

[almasy919]

Ah Bioware, you guys complete me. You've replaced the dead and buried Squaresoft in my heart.

[LostDjinn]

Them taking cheap shots at other franchises I can live without though.
While we're on Bioware, I wish they'd make with a new Baulders Gate already.

[washingmachine]

jrpgs can seem like a chore lol

[thehitman]

Definetly Couldve been better for 1 if they used that system they shouldve made it co-op game each person controls their own char etc wouldve worked perfectly w/o hassle on their part just split the screen. I think taking out both the level system and ESPECIALLY the completion of game % was not good. There really is no motivation to continue playing especially with such a so-so story.

[prettyboy1]

i loved ff13 a bit more then da.say wut yall want but im a gamer and it is my opinion

[BeaArthur]

As much as I love Bioware...Final Fantasy was the gold standard before Bioware was even a twinkle in someones eye. Say what you want I will always call Final Fantasy games RPGs.

[Ether]

Bioware, I love you guys.

[Optical_Matrix]

yet ME2 with it's huge emphasis on TPS gameplay and lack of exploration is? OH PLEASE. I don't care if you're in the industry, FFXIII is an RPG. What else is it if it's not an RPG? It's more RPG than ME thats all I know

[Zerodin]

The man hits the nail on the head!
The Japanese have yet to create a single real RPG.

[mrmikew2018]

It's just his opinion. Anyone who played both games would tell you that FF XIII is a RPG. ME 2, unfortunately, is not it borrows some of the elements from RPG game, but nevertheless is an action/adventure game.

[rakunado]

funny... neither has the west

Please research what real RPG actually means.

The only real rpg's out there are pencil and paper based... nuff said.

[zatrox]

A single "real" RPG?
Play Nocturne or Strange Journey, those are "real" RPGs.

[karlowma]

I am currently playing through and loving FFXIII. It's pretty much exactly what I've been looking for in an RPG for the past few years; a great story, characters I care about, a fast and fun battle system, and a fresh next-gen coat of paint.

It's one of my favorite FF games to be sure, and I have played every numbered game from I to XIII, as well as most of the spinoffs like Tactics, Crystal Chronicles, Crisis Core, Dissidia, etc.

[NeoBasch]

lol Final Fantasy XIII was an experience, which is much more important to me than any predefined genre or game. That is why I firmly believe FFXIII was just as good as Mass Effect 2. Period. Some of you need to... you know, play the game. You're all going to regret this sometime in the future when you finally realize how good FFXIII really is.

[A LIVING LEGEND]

Remove the 'J' and DAO is still unk....
Much like FF13.Square has some work to do,as does Bioware imo.Pointing out the competitions flaws isn't always a wise approach,considering.I spent considerably more time and found greater enjoyment in both DS and WKC.RPG/JRPG....I'm not sure nor do I care.

[Omega Zues]

How dare they have competition!!! Quick insult them!

lol

Whats up with Bioware attacking SE so much?

[capn_crunch]

FFXIII was great until I realized I had to kill 100+ Adamantoises in the post-game to get just one Ultimate Weapon, 10x that to get the Treasure Hunter trophy. :(

There's always been tedious chores to do in FF's but that is just ridiculous.

[Sprudling]

Don't know how you came to that realization, but it's not true. I got the platinum and I know I haven't killed 1000+ Adamantoises :) I didn't count, but perhaps I killed 200. After getting the hang of it every one of them went down in less than 2 minutes.

[Gun_Senshi]

But then, Mass Effect 2 is not an RPG, Its a Shooter.

Mass Effect (1) and Dragon Age are RPGS.

PS. I love ME2 except for stupid mining/searching planet. I HATE THAT PART!

[gamingisnotacrime]

that planet mining crap takes a lot of time and it just gets boring really fast, the one mistake on ME2 gameplay

[zatrox]

Oh yaay, here comes the WRPG vs JRPG argument.
I enjoy boths, and lemme tell ya Bioware, the only games I've liked from you are Baldur's Gate 2 and the first Mass Effect. I'm more of an Obsidian/Black Isle fanboy, but that doesn't means I can't enjoy my JRPGs.
Heck I hate FF but they're not a staple for JRPGs. Just because they're the most known series here in the west doesn't means there ain't great JRPGs out there.
Bioware, play Mother 3. After playing Mother 3 tell me if it wasn't charming and fun. Or wait, just Earthbound, Xenogears, Lunar, or any other JRPG out there that isn't as known as FF.
As for the "FFXIII is an adventure game" Mass Effect 2 is a shooter. Now, what you do Bioware? Putting in a shooter dating sim elements and different choices with the same outcome or obviously the typical "good and bad" choices and call it an RPG?
Seriously?

[madjedi]

Too many jrpg haters in here it seems, ff13 is okay for a ff it definitely deviated from the standard ff game. To the comments about emo teenage character, vs what super overly steroided muscle bound freaks dumping testosteron all over the screen with their uber manliness -_- . FF13 characters were all reasonable people, though stylized, i like both wrpgs and jrpg but it seems like a trend now for the media in the west to have a grudge against jrpgs but not wrpgs.

While definitely not the best ff13, was decent one just not a horrible one like people have been jumping on the bandwagon claiming it is. As much as i enjoyed kotor 1 and 2, this guy at bioware needs to stfu, dragonage origins was alright, his comments will do more harm than good especially a wrpg dev commenting on a jrpg. I can't wait for wkc2, and other solid jrpgs, as well as fallout vegas and borderlands 2, and frigging diablo 3 if blizzard finishes it sometime this generation.

[Misterhbk]

I think it's safe to say that Final Fantasy 7, Chrono Trigger, Dragon Quest, etc...All Square Enix games are RPG's that revolutioned the genre, FF7 was actually the game that put RPG's on the map, and it had niether character creation or "choices" to effect the outcome.. No Bioware game will ever come close to that. Until Bioware gives me an experience like the one I had with FF7 they can shut up. And this is coming from someone who only recently played FF7 (it was a lil before my time) and regardless of the graphics it is better than Dragon Age and Mass Effect in every aspect

[hoops]

Reality is JRPG's are old school. FF series needs major changing. The entire JRPG way of thinking needs to move forward.

[gamingisnotacrime]

Fast paced, noob friendly, flashy action, stupid fun.
Unlike FF 7,8,10 and even 12, FF13 does not feel at all like an RPG, is just a weird story, high quality production values, getting from point A to point B with turn based battles in between. Im not saying it sucks, is actually nice to watch the CGI and play some, but RPG elements are lacking.
Fallout 3 and Oblivion might be western cowboys RPGs, but those are RPGs no doubt.
JRPGs are just not what they used to be

EDIT
Like what JRPGs are you talking about?

[zatrox]

Fallout 3 was nothing compared to Fallout 1 and 2.
And if you want something different, it IS out there. And about "JRPGs are not what they used to be" come on, please. There are alot of lesser-known titles that are great.

[ATLGAMER]

was one of them

[PirateThom]

Pot meet keetle.

Mass Effect 2 isn't an RPG either.

[Legosz]

Final Fantasy is more of a adventure game then anything, Bioware has redefined RPG this gen.

[ATLGAMER]

They are right...Dragon age was more of a jrpg

[SephireX]

I personally enjoyed FFXIII a lot and I would give it a 8.5/10, which is the same score I'd give the first Mass Effect. Bioware are a great developer but this is their first game in the MMO genre so it's best they watch their mouths because over-hyping can come back and bite them in the ass and it got a big bite.

[rob6021]

I'm getting pretty sick of these western rpg devs and their 'war' against JRPGs, the guys making JRPGS aren't fighting back nor do they have any intention of bashing WRPGS.

[kraze07]

This "war" is only in your head.

[Homicide]

FF13 = Hallway simulator.

[Kahvipannu]

And why are most people talking about ME 2? Biowares real RPG-beast is Dragon Age. Bioware is the only developer who creates "real" interactive persons in games, and they let you write your own story. Just play Dragon Age, and you see it.

And I love JRPGS too, LO is my personal favourite, but after games like ME and DA, I just feel that im watching someone elses adventure, not interacting with the world..

[-Gespenst-]

What about all the other Final Fantasy games? And all the Chrono Games? And all the Dragon Quest games? And all the Tales games? And all the games that up until this, have been considered rpgs through and through. By Bioware's logic, these games aren't rpgs. Have their perceptions of reality totally warped? To me, whilst it seems pretty awesome, Mass Effect is less of an rpg than any of those games. It's like a 3rd person shooter, or an action rpg at best. Not to denigrate it of course; it looks like a stellar game and i've yet to play it.

Just because you don't create a character of your own right down to his sock colour doesn't stop those games from being rpgs. It's the fact that you assume the role of a lead character and through narrative you have a vicarious experience of their experiences and emotions (if it's done well.) Mix this with the number based gameplay we're all used to, a huge amount of longevity and a unique, massive world inhabited by all sorts of characters and you have an rpg. There are all sorts of ramifications of rpgs; it's quite a malleable genre, so obviously games considered to be rpgs are going to try new or different things, but there'll always be essential aspects that make it an rpg which are somewhere along the lines of the things I said above.

Looks like they're pulling a bit of a crytek here tbh.

[horndog]

the real rpg is on the 360 or for windows. ME2 can't be beaten by garbage like FF. Hopefully one day it will grace the ps3 so many can enjoy a real rpg until then i feel for them.

[bjornbear]

yep

[Figboy]

because it's complete BS and asinine, but what i will touch upon is this internet mandated hatred for FFXIII.

how many of you that dislike FFXIII are disliking it because you actually PLAYED IT and came to the conclusion that it just didn't click with you?

and how many of you that dislike FFXIII are disliking it because some dude on the internet told you you shouldn't like it? YOU GUYS, are the ones i have issue with.

personally, i think FFXIII is a fantastic RPG. is it like other FF's? No. it's not. in fact, if i recall correctly, the very same gaming media that whined and complained that Final Fantasy was getting long in the tooth and needed some changes to remain fresh, are also the very same gaming media that loathes the latest two installments in the franchise, XII and XIII, which, ironically enough, are the MOST different and fresh compared to FF's 1-9. even X shook things up a bit, but still felt like old school FF.

the changes and improvements that FFXIII brought to the franchise were much needed.

Bioware is being EXTREMELY arrogant with their comment, and ironic, since their RPGs aren't exactly as open and free of linearity as they seem to be boasting.

i mean, no matter HOW MANY TIMES you play Mass Effect or KOTOR, or even Dragon Age, the story is going to end the same. you are still going to be living Sheppard's story, you're still going to be Revan, you're still going to be a Gray Warden.

Bethesda has a bit more credibility when it comes to crafting a "real" RPG (using Bioware's definition of RPG), because they're games are more open than most, and yet you are STILL living the life of a crafted narrative. in Fallout 3, you are a vault dweller. you're dad was a scientist. he leaves the vault, you go after him.

why can't i make my dad a janitor, or a lawyer? why do i have to be in the vault? why can't i be born outside. to ME, THAT'S "REAL" role-playing and character creation. when i made my monk in D&D, I CREATED his entire history. his entire life and upbringing.

no matter HOW MUCH Bioware would like to think that they craft "REAL" RPGs, they are controlling our game play experience just as much Square-Enix and other JRPG developers.

[bjornbear]

f-a-c-t

[STONEY4]

Someone hasn't heard of JRPGs... there is a huge difference of style between WRPGs and JRPGs, and FF13 is definitely still a RPG. Same with games like Xenogears, Crono Cross/Trigger, Persona, ect. If he played any of those games, he would still say it isn't an RPG just because it doesn't fit his little definition that the western market made.

This guy at Bioware can say whatever he wants, but fact is, Mass Effect without the RPG elements = Third Person shooter with alot of options as far as affecting the story. Hell, even as an "RPG", Mass Effect 2 sure doesn't do a whole lot. You are really restricted as far as weapons and armor too.

Oblivion, Morrowind, and Fallout 3 are what I would consider "real" RPGs. They have large, open environments, you can basically do whatever you want (wanna massacre whole cities? Go ahead, permenently kill them, and you can still go on with the story), take what you want (killed someone who had badass looking clothes or even maybe an amulet you liked? Take it, it's yours), alot of character customization, and you can role play as far as you want to. You can be a man in a chef's outfit who kills his enemies with knives if you wanted to (I'm not actually sure it the chef's outfit is in Oblivion but you get my point). You can be in black robe and go around conjuring monsters to kill your enemies if you wanted to. Bethesda's games are the perfect examples of "role-playing". You can do whatever you want, completely ignore the story, and still have a ton of fun.

Back on topic, Final Fantasy XIII without RPG elements = nothing at all. It couldn't really be a game at all because everything about it is based on the RPG idea. Same goes for any RPG from Japan. They basically invented the whole genre, and their games are the most focused on the whole RPG idea. They're the ones witht the deep stories, 50+ hours of main story, and a bit of post-game stuff to do. But these days, any game with some form of stats and upgrades is classified as an RPG by everyone.

[DarkSpawnClone]

Bio ware are Rpg Gods,Dragon age is One of the best RPGs i have played,some people are really living in the past with ff7 it was good then but games have gotten better i cant bare to play it now(not attacking it just I'm use to all the new stuff now its hard going back)

"Well, before I address the main point I just want to take a slightly more controversial route: You can put a 'J' in front of it, but it's not an RPG. You don't make any choices, you don't create a character, you don't live your character... I don't know what those are - adventure games maybe? But they're not RPG's."

vary well said,he is right imo,some people may not like what he has to say but hey truth hurts lol that being said i will still always look at ff like a rpg.

[Raoh]

lmfao

[bjornbear]

yes it is...if you have control over the ROLE your character has in conflict...

[MR LOOKINGBILL]

I have FFXiii on the ps3 .....just don't have the balls to complete it. The game play is boring and there no substance or life to the story. probably trade it in towarDS ALAN WAKE.

[Sky Sentry]

I borrowed FFXIII from a friend. Stopped playing it after 10 hours. This game is actually PAINFUL to play. Annoying characters, linear corridors, boring combat and piss poor conversation. Glad I did not buy it.

[anonymouse111335]

when you think about it all games are RPG's but RPG refers to a specific style of gameplay where you gain levels that help you grow, find items that make you stronger do quests etc.

I look at RPG when it's used as a genre like that, but all games are really RPGs as you play pretend in them such as the term role playing implies.

[MadMan00]

There are DIFFERNT types of RPG that's why it has a a freaking J you morons at Bioware! There's WRPG and JRPG the difference is so damn obvious, it's like Bioware people don't even know that and the ignorant or something, I love Bioware games I'm seriously starting to dislike the guys there for being Morons.

Square Soft was made before Bioware, they were making RPG games BEFORE Bioware, so how would Bioware get to decide what an RPG was in the first place? There just Morons and Bias as hell cause SE has more money then them, lol ( It's fact look up before you comment me ).

I'm not being Bias in any way I liked Oblivion and Fallout 3, I didn't even like XIII very well like 52 hours in didn't even finish yet haven't touched it in like 3 weeks now.

[dizzleK]

nuts to both of them, shin megami is where it's at

[ipe]

85% action shooter,15% rpg.

And i dont like ff games at all,im all about wrpg

[darthdevidem01]

lol bioware is jealous FF13 outsold ME2 by 3:1 worldwide!

Not to mention it was better than any game bioware have made since KOTOR

[kraze07]

"Not to mention it was better than any game bioware have made since KOTOR "

.....LMAO!!!

Maybe better than that Sonic game they released but that would be it.

[Lex Luthor]

Final Fanatsy 13 was garbage. End of.

[Djinn]

Those bioware idiots are just angry they got outsold 3:1 by a much better game. FFXIII is amazing.

[Nugundam0079]

I thought it was the FUN factor that mattered! all these games are great!!! MOAR PLEASE! seriously just have fun guys no bashing I loved 13 and ME2 and I ADORE KOTOR and White knight...have fun guys!

[unworthyBOZO]

Harsh but true words.