Killzone 2 E3 2007 Demo Conclusion

Check out the never-before-seen, explosive conclusion of the press-only Killzone 2 demo from E3.

[Rybnik]

Why Sony didn't include the exploding tower and hinted at, ensuing attack (from a certain flying vehicle that ended the E3 05 demo) in the 2007 trailer I don't know!
In any case, I hope for the final game, a part such as this isn't as easy as just blowing this thing up--I want to be under attack while I'm trying to destroy this thing. Anyway crazy graphics, no-one can deny that.

edit: Why, why disagree with a rational question like this??

[Devilbringer]

there so many stupid ppl that dissagree for no reason. they should been banned

[ALI G]

is this kill-shown 1 ???
is this the game they said it has far better graphic than halo 3 or gears of war..Shony sanboys get owned again by "Shony promise and do not deliver " keep titling your SIXAXIS controller and keep saying oh it is just pre pre pre alpha.the game has no innovation , the A.I super crap .the only think it had is the above amazing graphic and it gone.what the point of having great graphic only in half level of the game,still not sure the E3 presentation was in-game because of Shony reputation in this matter .Plus there is no"last-gen" rumble .i do not see any Shony Sanboys making comparison today, they all been nice ..i wounder why ?
after all it seems 1up were right.

the same storey happened with motorstorm pre pre pre pre alpha and the final game ,all the mud and effects gone down the toilet .

now give me as many disagrees as you want.i think this one going to set new record in N4G

pre pre pre RESPECTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

Pre Pre EDIT:why the hell the guy below got disagree.maybe he did not give accurate figure,should said 95% Shony + 2%$ +1 neutral which is me +remaining is others, but he still do not deserve disagree.

credit to tudors - 15 for the pictures

[consolewar]

of course this site is 60% pro Sony 40% pro Ms. Anyway I do agree is not even close to the CG, but they still have plenty of time, maybe someday...lol

[ALI G]

hello idiot
i compared cut scene to cut scene BECUSE one of them FPS AND THE OTHER TPS SO YOU CANNOT COMPARE IN GAME FOOTAGE .in-game: the main charcters will have more detailes in TPS while in FPS the environment will look overall better

[nurayi]

Cute of you all to use such a flattering pic of killzone...

here is your comparison again

[reaperxciv]

it handles like an arcade shooter too.

[Blankman]

yea from what i have seen so far the game dosent look that hard. I want it to be hard with mad A.I. and you really have to duck and cover a lot to make it out alive. So far it just looks like the guy is running around out in the open and shootin ppl however he pleases. I mean the bad guys hardly fight back. Am sure it will be more difficult in the final game but the game rocks. I can't believe ppl are still buggin out over this game. I can't believe I AM still buggin out over this game. I think its the blood the way the ppl still bleed when they hit the floor. Don't think i have seen that in any other game. Love the way it smears too. Its been a long time coming but killzone please deliver so we can all enjoy ur goodness

[Rybnik]

To be fair, all the footage we have seen, the developer is using god mode..

Also, I noticed that while the player character is shooting away at the tower, the action is continuing...There is a point where out of the corner of the screen an approaching Helghast soldier is taken out by off screen AI! I didn't notice this the first time I watched this.

[Lord Anubis]

ah, you noticed. THe AI is fairly smart, not just the Enemy AI but your team mate's AI. There are other videos where the main character is taking heave fire but since he is probably in God mode it doesn't appear like he is dying.

[zantetsuken]

I have got to get into the beta when it arrives.

[P4KY B]

But this looks like its running on a PS2.

Almost no textures.

I guess it will look better once they go beyond the pre-pre-alpha.

**and yes I have watched the HD version**

[shysun]

So this looks like a PS2 game........are you going to continue to sound like an idiot?

[CrazzyMan]

i mean look here - http://i113.photobucket.com...

[TheMART-sucksdick]

Where the hell did you find that screen.... Bloody hell it looks real and look at that blood!!!!! OMFG haha i cant wait to play this... Any fuker saying this game looks like a ps2 game is just a dumb little xbot.

Btw have a bubble ^

[T_Tokyo2010]

Character models in this game look awesome. This game really surprised the heck out of me. I agree that they still have a lot of work ahead of them. Seeing as it has a 2008 release date I wouldn't worry about it though.

[achira]

one word to the game: uber awesome!

[DolphGB]

Every piece of footage of Killzone 2 I see looks incredible.

I wasn't a fan of the first title on the PS2 but the isometric PSP version has kept me into the brand (probably one of the best PSP titles in fact). I'm now looking forward to wasting some Helghast scum in full 3D again!

[Maddens Raiders]

the game is in a pre Alpha stage as stated and all the textures haven't been applied. Throw in the fact that the player is in godmode during the demonstration for brevity's sake and it can make it look a little pedestrian. The actual end user game AI is going to be brutal to my understanding and the rifle recoil, relentless.

I know this game will be all it's touted to be once completed. SNE, Matthias and the rest of the GG team have staked a chunk of their futures on it, plus it was evident during the e3 presentation.

P.S.- I'd like to know if there will be a jump feature and grenade cooking like in KZ1 included in the PS3 version? I've read nor heard anyhthing on it lately. If anyone knows, give me a shout.

[Ghoul]

Stop claiming you know anything about engines modeling texturing and ressources on gamecreation if you judge the power of a games Graphics by its colors or textures used.

[Firestorm]

First time I have seen this gameplay trailer. Graphics are horible.

some of the worst texturing I have seen in a next gen game.

seems that once again sony has tried to fool us with flashy well done trailer. looks nowhere near as good when it's actually being played.

UT, Haze and COD 4 all look better than this

[Sashy]

You just have to open your big mouth and claim that Killzone 2 have bad graphics? You are whacked man...

[Firestorm]

but...Did you actually watch that gameplay vid?

[hazeblaze]

Those were gameplay graphics in the trailer as well... that's why your argument doesn't make sense. Everything after their landing was actual gameplay. And the graphics are just as crisp in this trailer, just needs more work on the textures. If you take time to notice the details though, you'll see how slick the game is. Look at the character's hands in this vid... lots of detail. And the explosions were pretty awesome too.

[jay3]

Game looks shweet but, i mean, seriously guys no hate, i'm getting a PS3 soon and for sure am getting this game, but, the graphics seem significantly less impressive in this demo. Yeah, it's Pre Alpha i know, but i hope they're spending they're time fixing up the graphics a tad more.

[tudors]

Everytime the player went to press the button to open the covers on 'thingy' (mast) you would hear a repeat thunder sound like it was on a timer or somthing; the AI needs vast improvement, agree or disagree there is a lot of scripting going on in this game; it just does not impress me at all.

Halo 3 owns this game, just you wait and see.

[Watkins]

Allow me to call you a d*mn newbie. You know nothing (apparently) about this game, or much of any game for that matter, so you sir, don't have the right to comment like you did. The sound is terrible because it seems to be scripted?! Allow me to correct you. The Helghasts are using the weather in their weapons, they're actually powering the cannon (and firing) with the weather, in this case the lightning. GG have said that weather will play a big role in this game.

Concerning the quality of the sound, well. It's really not bad at all. I enjoy the sounds and the immersive atmosphere they're providing through the sound. I think you're throwing negative comments towards this game and state that Halo3 is better just cause you don't have a PS3, and that is my honest opinion.

[Rybnik]

Guys, this is the same demo, its just that this is the end part, and for whatever reason there seems to be a bit less going on than in other parts of the game.. Hey, the explosion and the flying vehicle at the end looked pretty decent, especially for a game still in a relatively unfinished state. I can't wait to see more of this game!

[tudors]

Just a quick compare.

[P4KY B]

Gears by a mile!

[Rybnik]

Nice try, buddy. The screen shot you so cleverly showed is not from the real finished game. That screen shot is taken from when the game was still on development PC's. There is a clear difference between what you showed and what Gears really looks like.

Sorry, this is what the game looks like: Iv'e played it through on all the modes. It does not look as good as Tudors is trying to claim--it looks awesome, but not quite to the level of the pre-release clips. However, I have a feeling that Gears PC, will.

[ps3FTW]

gears was running on PC on that picture.

[tudors]

See images:

[P4KY B]

gears again.

If the Sony fanboys bothered to take off their Sony supplied goggles they would see the difference for themselves.

[ReconHope]

if your looking for that go compare unreal with it.

[ReconHope]

firestorm and Tudors would it be that hard to get an avatar?

[timmyp53]

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[tudors]

Did I say which I thought was best, to the guy who disagreed if I had said Killzone looks better would you change your mind.

But anyway gears clearly looks better.

[Bebedora]

Everybody agree OR disagree is just irrelevant to the whole. They just want to be retards and f#k ups anyways. No, really. They do.

Actually, some DO have a reason to disagree or agree but those occations are seldom.

[nomad117]

not even in alpha stage yet.

alpha stage is where they uphaul ALL the graphics, gameplay, major tweaking, adding animations, textures etc

beta stage - tweaking, fixing bugs, updating graphics, making sure the game runs fine, multiplayer

gold stage - final tweaking, packaging, advertising

and they can achieve all of this in pre pre alpha stage. imagine what we can expect from beta.

[Rybnik]

Actually, according to Seb Downie, some aspects are already final, many, however are not. He did not go into specifics for exactly what will be improved...

[Bebedora]

it will be gfxes like textures and animation tweaks. Not so much the gameplay. It's set already I think.

[Antan]

I can aggree a little bit with what a few are saying, this particular video is not upto the standard of earlier one, but im sure (as Phil said), things will be improved still further. Ill just view the conference video to remind me just how good it will be!

[tudors]

Feel free to obtain all the shots you like, I have the game and I know what it looks like in HD, I used screens the same size for killzone and Gears, you clearly chose a distance shot.

Trust me Gears does look that good as any Xbox-360 onwner with HD will tell you.

[Rybnik]

Excuse me, I beg to differ. I too own the game- the special edition in fact, the one that has the various makings of videos. Some of that behind the scenes, still in development footage looks a bit cleaner than the final game. Your ss comes from one of those early builds.

I'm sorry, the reason the screenshot I used does not look quite as good is because mine comes straight from finished build gameplay, and yours is from still in development. Come on, Marcus's character is even a bit different from the final version. Stop lying!

[nomad117]

this game will look better even the dev said they still have to add animation they still got a lot of work to do you just can't admit that any game on the ps3 can achieve gears and better then gears that is sad of you

[The_Firestarter]

you're right

[AkUmAzRaGe lRl]

this game is not going to look better than gears.We know you sony fangirls would love to think it but its not, this game is the only thing you guys have.Please dont do the same thing you guys did with killzone and compare it to every damn game out there.

Edit:
@ boi yea I said it name another big fps sony's coming out with
(this year not 5 years from now)

[boi]

lol

*this game is the only thing you guys have*

well maybe pay attention to the games coming out that would help!

anyways yea it doesn't look up to date yet but looks great for an pre-apha its by far from finish so hey lets wait :D

[hazeblaze]

Killzone 2 is already looking more impressive than Gears. You guys just can't give it up can you?! Besides that, UT3 is looking a HELLA lot better than Gears, and guess what... that's PS3 exclusive too ;-p. Just get over it, the PS3 is getting a real gangsta line up while the 360 gets left behind.

[Ghoul]

Gears does look damn awesome sure.
But how come you compare a released titel with a pre-pre-alpha build.
Most textures are thrown out to get overall impression on graphics and look to determine if the setting works etc.

But lets compare them for sake of comparing.

Killzone 2 (pre-pre-alpha)

+ alltime depth of field,
+ the superp lighting,
+ very good facial animations,
+ destroyable environment,
+ huge amount of decals,
+ generell amount of aktion on screen,
+ for once not overdone but still present motionblur
+ ragdoll + anim blendings
+ awesome design
+ character models

- bit to gray world
- washed textures
- shadowmaps cast by dynamic lights
- few more normals wont hurt
- particles need much more attention (flames exlposions etc.)

Gears on the other hand (released game)

+ insane amount normal maps
+ great lighting
+ superp Design
+ character animations
+ Crisp and awesome textures

- framerate does suffer
- hardly more than 5 guys on screen
- facial expression nearly non exsitance
- small levels
- no destructables

So far i cant see how you can conclude that killzone2 does look worse then gears, its far to early to take washed out textures or funky animation glitches as a negative hence its far from release.

Gears of war is a 3rd person Shooter pointed to Style and Presentation
Its one of the best Graphics i have ever seen (both cgi and realtime)

BUT if killzone manages the erase those flaws everybody is picking on even though its faaar from finished we sure will see a new king on the Table.

The Kings Dead, Long life the King.

p.s. its about games so be a GAMER not a plattform junky.
90% of the killzone basher would prais the game to its limits IF it would also be release on the 360 and most gears basher would lvoe it IF it would come to ps3.

p.p.s All those comments about killzone beeing the only ps3 hope is once more pure bashing. Keep it real guys once the ps3 hits a 399 mark and killzone is out most of you (couse your bound to games) will run out and get the ps3 too. There are more games on the table guys.
MGS4, Lair, Uncharted, Warhawk, Home (as platform), UT3 (mod enabled), Little big planet. Stop the fighting

xbox 360 ROCKS
ps3 RULES
wii IS PURE FUN

[AkUmAzRaGe lRl]

you the man! keep it real man, I get tired of all these sony fans saying this game looks better than gears.

Edit:
@ Mr.Rybnik do you really think clif is saying that killzone looks better.Look Im going to give killzone props too BUT that does not mean this game is toping every game out there.show me some pictures of killzone 2 toping gears of war please....... I'm waiting .......still waiting :\

[Cadence]

My god u people can't accept the true the kill zone is better and is only pre alpha, u guys still think that halo3 is better when kill zone is not yet finish and we still haven't seen the beta, run a long buy an xbox360 so it can turn to a failure like the rest of them.

[The_Firestarter]

I swear, fanboys are still hooked on how "awesome" Gears looks? That's the ONLY game they use for a graphical comparison.

360 fanboys (like tudors) need to stop being such hypocrites.

When people say Halo 3 looks no better than Halo 2, you guys get all defensive saying, "Don't worry, the game is still in it's beta stage." I totally understand that. I have no problem with the Halo series, I enjoyed the campaigns. But I just hate all the fanboy BS.

Tell me, why is it ok for you guys to say Killzone 2 has crappy textures, crappy looking fire, etc., but it's not alright for PS3 fanboys to say Halo 3 looks like crap? Get real, and stop being such hypocrites.

Sure, Halo 3 is in its beta stage, but guess what? Killzone 2 is still in it's alpha stage. You understand? Get over it, please.

[Rybnik]

Thank you firestarter, bubbles 4u.

EDIT: no prob, man.

[The_Firestarter]

thx Rybnik, I could use one more bubble. ^__^

EDIT: thx to you Sushifx as well.

[Ghoul]

i bubble you too, well said.

[TheMART-sucksdick]

Very well said

[ChronoTrigger87]

You show em man! I agree 100%. i still dont get why xbox fanboys still use gears though. that game is multiplatform. and its going to looks best and play best on pc. so we all will enjoy it one day.

bubbles4u firestarter.

[Rybnik]

Wrong again, both you and Tudors seem to be xbox fanboys, at least CliffyB, the actual designer of GeoW is able to give props where they are due.

He thinks that KZ2 looks "hot" That is his own word. In fact he goes further to say that he and Brussee are sort of like Prof. X and Magneto. I.E equals but on different sides, LOL.

It is truly ironic that we are arguing about whose game looks better Brusee's or Cliffy-B's: you see these two designers co-developed their first game, Jazz Jackrabbit! LOLS.

Edit: good luck, dude!

[nomad117]

all these games coming out in fall and winter we'll hopefully im applying for my first job and i have an interview today wish me luck

[boi]

good luck :) now u can get all the great games u want thats coming out for the ps3 lol

[boi]

Trust me Killzone 2 will look great when the finish product is final and every1 who said its looks rubbish ect will just keep quiet about it well apart from some fanboys who still say the same thing when it really looks great and better the Gears lol

but damn can't wait for this game and crysis is looking sweet too

but in sayin Killzone 2 will look great and better then Gears...in it pre-pre-apha stage its looking that sweet already...

[sak500]

Seriously, if you guys think this is so awesome than you havn't played any games like Gears, COD3, Oblivion, Battlefield2, Graw2, Doom3, Quake 4 etc. OR you are 12 year olds with hardly any sense in what you are seeing.

This looks like slightly improved version of Resistance. Washed out graphics with low rez text on everything. Gun looks straight out of ps2 game. I doubt they can make it better cuz after 2 years and 20mil this is what they can cough up then i feel sorry for you ps3 owners.

And btw chk out fracture video and see what colors are all about.

[jay3]

I like your picture very, very much.

[hazeblaze]

Actually, why don't you check out a Ratchet & Clank or Uncharted or Heavenly Sword vid and see what colors are all about... Don't come here with that ignorant crap. It's called game design and every game is not designed to be a colorful la la land. The colors in the game are PERFECT for the atmosphere they're casting and there has NEVER been better lighting cast for an atmosphere in a game before this. This game is shaping up to be something truly spectacular. Perhaps you're just upset at how much better it's looking graphically than your uber colorful Halo???

[Rims]

This game is awesome . Can't wait for the Beta.

[beardtm]

They've been working on this title for ages now, and with a huge budget, did i hear $20m?

So i expected better tbh, much better.

Textures are extremely poor for a game that'll be one of Sonys BIG games.

I blame the architecture of the PS3 for the bad textures, as i have yet to see a PS3 game with decent textures.

Sure Blu-Ray discs can hold 25Gb of data, but if PS3 cant actually read, process and display proper textures on the screen then the extra space Blu-Ray holds is pointless.

[cartman313]

They have been working on this for ages?! What are you smoking, it has only been two years. Stop acting like you know what you're talking about cause you don't know $hit.

[rev20]

Unreal tournament 3 coming out in november which will have the same gfx as gears of war, so your pathetic arguement that the ps3 cannot produce gfx up to the 360 is gone and yourll see it with your own eyes,

Its nearly up to the pc version which will definitly be the best out of the 3 platforms, now you havent got this game to hang on all the time you dont like it, ps3 can do just as good visuals so stop with the pointless arguement.

wait till the game is released then comment, you only have to look at heavenly sword, lair and uncharted to see its just as impressive as the 360 atm there equal but the ps3 isnt even a year old that is the only differece

[timmyp53]

http://www.n4g.com/News-513...

[Cartesian3D]

I dont know why .. may be u r Blind.. I saw your first Pictures .. and I say KILLZONE is far more real.. motion blur , more polygons and so on.. Gears isnt real at all specialy in dark sections.. but its more real under sunlight (some levels)

but when an engine looks extremely real in DARK environment thats what I call AMAZING..

so dont fool your self.. deal with it.. Killzone even in prealpha stage has more REAL elements than any other shooter (except crysis)

distructible world, F'in huge number of details in every level,amazing animations and PHYSICS , innovation in Blood spray and overall using of Blood, body reaction to bullets.. and so on ..

u feel that u realy shooting in KZ.. I saw HD videos from gameplay several times.. its FAR more real, FAR more exciting than other FPS games ... be Honest..

Killzone will be a HUGE BEAST in Shooter games..

[SimmoUK]

The explosions and lightening, then the flying thing at the end looked spectacular, certain textures need work but there only place holders like the dev's have said...

Main thing action on screen, facial animation and character animation, draw distance lighting techniques all look fantastic...

Oh and to the people saying PS3 can't do good textures go and take a look at ratchet and clank! you guys cant say crap it looks amazing!

[rev20]

at unreal tournament 3 aswell ;d

[jay3]

So many fanboys!

PS3 people bashing, 360 people bashing. This is not good!

Sony fanboys though, please, calling the 360 guys hypocrites? You sony guys are just the same! Look at all the comments yeah? And what's with all the "If you go all fanboy about PS3, you get bubbles!" and just because someone is a PS3 fanboy apparently it was "Well said"?

I mean, i like PS3 and 360 which i've stated many times, but, it's just irritating you guys. It's not going to change anyone's opinion no matter what you say. Same goes for the 360 crowd too, but i haven't seen any of this Bashing for Bubbles crap from them. PS3 guys - stop

360 guys - don't start.

Give me bubbles, take away bubbles, agree, disagree, do whatever you want. I don't know about everyone else here, but frankly, i'm getting sick and tired of all of this fanboy BS from both sides. Opinions, fine, but come on, we know the difference.

[emandm]

This demo looks nothing like the cgi demo Sony were hawking about 2 yrs ago, just face it Sony fanboys, your console is never going to be able to compete graphically. UT3 will probably be finished for the 360 already but because of the deal with Sony we'll have to wait six months for them to release the PS3 version. To say ut3 on the PS3 is better than gears, let see some code running on it first!

[Cartesian3D]

Unreal engine run better on Ps3 than Gears.. its the exact words of EPIC games.. so STFU about gears..

Gears of war optimized for 360 and 360 cant handle much more than Gears.. but u can see after less than a year from PS3 release,PS can run it better..

believe it or not PS3 coding is going to be easy for third party devs with Unreal engine and Crytech2 engine .. DEAL WITH IT..

PS3 games going to improve much more than 360..

just few examples.. : UNCHARTED,KILLZONE,UNREAL TOURNAMENT 3,LITTLE BIG PLANET,Gran Turismo 5 and so on.... u cant run Physics as good as PS3 in realtime ..

[natsfan7]

Cartesian3D , you are taking epics comment out of context. HE said that UT3 is was farther head than gears at the same time last year, and that probally has a lot more to do with Epic better understanding how to use the UT3 Engine than the PS3 being better than the 360. Stop being a Fanboy and accept the fact that both the PS3 and 360 are great machine and fairly equal in power. And please people, stop acting like UT3 is a PS3 exsclusive, it is coming to the 360 and might even have more polish cause of the extra time.

[beardtm]

Cartmen313 - Only 2 years!!?

Its coming out next year is it not?

Therefore it will have taken three years to make.

heavenly sword, lair and uncharted all look weak tbh, and again have crap textures.

[rev20]

yeh whatever id love to see half of your so great games have more then 20+ enemies on the same screen fighting ;)

[SimmoUK]

Please... your expecting people to take you seriously when your saying HS, Lair and uncharted have bad graphics, yeah right lol...

[CrazzyMan]

But MANY people like it and will play! :P =))
no matter what YOU say. =)))

[cartman313]

Are you fukin retarded? Games aren't made overnight. Having what they have in 2 years is pretty damn impressive. They started from scratch. Do some research before you come on here and open your mouth.

[TheMART-sucksdick]

Dumb idiot..... What the hell...... Cant buy a PS3 'SHAME' keep saving up to try and hit $600 awwwwwwwwwww little baby and his lttle wii

Wiitard ya.

[Says you]

How is the guy suppose to demonstrate and whoever said that this game has nothing happening all at once needs to get there eyes check its a demo not the final game god I swear its like n4g is filled with 4 years old that think the game of Killzone 2 will be easy?. and plus this is the 3rd level of Killzone not even the first they said that somewhere in the other article saying that Guerrilla confirmed to the N'Gai that is getting a first hand impression of the game, in the article and plus I dont think people are noticing that the Helghast are much more smarter than the original ones in Killzone look at the way

there ducking and that those 2 Helghast that is underfire by the ISA, one is hiding by that peice that holds up the ceiling and shooting his gun side ways the other helghast is hiding right close to the Helghast that is standing up and shooting his gun sideways to so the AI in Killzone 2 looks more smarter than the ones in Killzone already and again if they made this to hard for the pre alpha of Killzone 2 at E3 the guy who is playing the game wouldnt even get pass the game and give a people a demonstration

And further more there is way more detail in Killzone 2 and when tudors show the face of that guy in Gears of War with the guy with the MohHawk in Killzone 2 the guy in Killzone 2 is way more detail than the guy in Gears of War is just plain ugly and rugged and Kar33m no one cares if your a bit disappointed considering people at E3 were impressed so peoples opinions in websites that arent impress doesnt matter considering there the ones that didnt go to E3 and like I said there are so many gamers that think that this game is easy they need to go back in school and actually learn that the actual game of Killzone 2 wont be easy you would have to be dunce to believe that

and again with the textures Guerrilla has been stating there not going for the Fruity Tootie look considering thats Halo 3 with all its teletubbies in the screen shooting its rainbow colors at each other how many people think that Killzone 2 should be all colorful if they made things colorful in the game that wouldnt be that much of a Killzone 2 now would it god its like %96 of the gamers in this site are more dumber than a sack of two horse sh1ts piled together.

[timmyp53]

http://www.n4g.com/News-513...

[marcellizot]

Here is a list of some jargon learned by PS3 and 360 fanboys alike during the week of E3 that I would like to eradicate from N4G (due to the fact that most people using these terms have no comprehension of their meaning).

Alpha
Pre Alpha
Beta
Mapping

that is all.

[THAMMER1]

I like how you Sony guys are giving 1st person shooters respect now. NICE. RESPECT!!!

[TruthHurts]

are TROLLIN around talking about Killzone.
go to the 360 section,

oops, sorry theirs nothing to talk about there.
my mistake.

[THAMMER1]

DID I SAY SOME THING WRONG? You SONY ONLY non gamers are drooling over a shooter...and you have gave the 360 flack for it's shooters. Ironic...right yeah I thinks so. B!T(# boy.

The truth does hurt, you hypocrite I know you feel it. That is why you came back with your punks @ss rebuttal. Any one who follows this site knows how to check your pots history. You have been in here slamming shooters now you acting like KZ2 is the $#!t.

Get out from under my nutz you flea.

[TruthHurts]

i give respect to shooter that are great.

you are the ULTIMATE spinner.
go get my comments your talking about and post them.

i`ll tell you what i said. first.

(and i`m do need to research it, i know how i feel.)

i don`t like repeative WW2 shooter, or when every GOOD game out is a shooter cause i prefer action games.

you are so ridiculous.

seriously stop TROLLING w/ your negativity.

you sound like a woman.

"everybody here knows what you do"

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your tooooooooooo funny.

"B!T(# boy"

you reak of anger.
LOL.

your comical.

[GameOn]

They could of showed the game off better. I got a bit bored of him shootin that spike. otherwise seems cool.

[Salvadore]

I am not that impress with the video's we have seen of Killzone 2. It must be due to the 05 trailer putting high expectation on the visuals and graphics. I know the game is till in pre-alpha and it looks great, but I expected more because the game has been developed for a long time. I am not trying to say that the game looks horrible because it looks good and cant wait till I get my hands on it.

[beardtm]

Een if it does get better looking, if they fix the textures, actually make it HD looking, sort the lack of colour and stuff...

I think we can all agree on one thing...

It'll play crap thanks to the controllers lack of offset analogue sticks.

Oh and whatever happened to dual screen, 1080p, 60FPS business, ive not been keeping up with the PS3 news.

I think theres one game that runs in 1080p, and about five that run 720p 60fps? I think thats about right, yeah?

[rev20]

uncharted, lair , heavenly sword will all play in 1080p and the majority of other games being released the one's that dont play it are generally 3rd party, which sony cant really control

[CrazzyMan]

1) IF YOU LIKE THIS GAME AND WANT TO PLAY IT - AGREE WITH ME.
2) IF YOU DON`T LIKE THIS GAME AND DON`T WANNA PLAY IT - DISAGREE WITH ME.

after this poll we will see how many people care about textures and how many for game, atmosphere, animation and high level of details.

EDIT:
as you can see, no matter what x360 fans say, people still want to play THIS game. :)

p.s. bubble anyone? :) thnx. =]

[timmyp53]

its all in game ...no loads ... transporter lands ..Rico lands yells commands you jump off just like cg trailer.
http://www.n4g.com/News-513...

[beardtm]

crazzyman, how are we supposed to know how it plays?

we have seen two short video clips of it.

killzone 1 only got 6.9 on Gamespot, so chances the Killzone 2 will score high like 9 are slim.

High levels of detail also, this game lacks high levels of detail, i mean it doesnt even look HD.

But i agree that it does have good atmosphere and animation.

[beardtm]

its all in game ...no loads ... transporter lands ..Rico lands yells commands you jump off just like cg trailer.

the beginning is a cut scene for sure.

there a slight glitch when it goes from cutscene to gameplay.

[ReconHope]

it is indeed not cg.

[ReconHope]

whatever you say buddy.

[BIadestarX]

I can't wait to see how UT will look. If Epic managed to make a game like Gears which started development even before the xbox 360 was released and with an unfinish version of the Unreal Engine... I wonder what they will be able to do now.

This video footage looks great... not as great as the CGI scenes... but I think it does look great. They will have more time to polish more... and I think they will... Everyone's eyes are on them.

I will wait until we are closer to the release date before dropping a harmer against it... Just like when the Halo 3 demo came out... people flamed it.. but after seing some of the screens... and game play... it shows why games shouldn't be judge based on footage or beta versions.

[Bathyj]

First up, get the extended trailer and watch it frame by frame.

Best BLood EVER. Man it looks like liquid. Its splashes around. It comes out of every independant bullet hit and even on the ground you can see where its thicker in certain places and thinner in others.

Incredible FIRE. Watch that first guy burns. Fire in games always look slow. Look how the flames rush toward the sky. It really looks like its roaring.

Lighting, especially from the muzzle flash are unbelievable. Like I said, go frame by frame and watch the coloured lighting change on every frame giving a different look each time. The shadows that pop up on walls from this are great.

Bullet hits. While you're checking out the frame by frame lighting whatch the bullets fly to the target and watch the enenmy react realisticly to every hit. The first hits the left colloar bone, the guy goes back and rolls left. The second hits him in the guts making him double up and therefor lurking forward again. You can literall see the body change direct 5 or 6 times in a short 2 second blast of fire and the whole time, the incredible blood. God I love it.

One of the best things about part one was the grat AI. You could play a section over and over again and although the guys would come out the same way each time they would react differently everytime depending on what you did. I used to love doing a certain bit over an over to see what diferent things they would do. It pretty had to tell from what we've seen but I thing the AI looks very good so far, judging mainly by you team mates AI and how enemies use blindfire and that.

Animation also looks very smooth and realistic. Its good to see a soldier vault a crumbled wall and has to actuall bend down on his knees from the weight of landing.

And MAN I LOVE THE BLOOD.

PS Got a 1080p Bravia this weekend so everything looks extra sexy right now. The clips off the PSN are top quality and look awsome even in 720p. And playing NG in 1080p is like butter. BR too are exceptional. My friend had his nose right up to the screen watching Ant Bully trying to find pixels. He works at a electronics shop and even he was impressed. He left vowing to get a PS3 soon.

[THAMMER1]

Your Bravia, How big is it? I've been eyeing the 50". Dell has deal for $1899.99. The picture is stupid clear like a freaking window with extra windex. So what did ya get?

@ B man J

D@MN sweet on the stength of you I'm sold BRO. THANKS =]

[Bathyj]

I got the 40". Its in my room and I cant go any bigger than that, let alone for the cost. Thats an incredible price for a Bravia. Are both talking about LCD's. The 52" is near 10 grand in Australia, it must be at least 7 or 8 in the States. Make sure you get the X series 1080p. Man its incredible.

HDMI makes a big difference too. I thought my PS3 with component at 1080i on my Toshiba looks good but now, its like I've had cataracts removed. I could tell the difference right away cause the blacks were so black on the title screen. I've yet to try out the upscaling of PS2 games or DVD's at 1080p but I'm expecting a decent improvement though not earth shattering. Its still a good feature of the PS3. So of course I'm craving some extra 1080p contend right now. The Die Hard previews on PSN looked great. Its good that most of the movie trailers are 1080p. Please dont anyone tell me again "We dont need BluRay". If you had a TV like this you'd want to watch something that made the most of it. Lousy low-def cable TV. Should be 1080p.

[ReconHope]

its come 2 my attention that the demonstration was done in god-mode so the lack-luster ai is not really that weird. did u see how the helghast take those bullets? they react so realistically 2 it. impressive.

[2tired2day2hate]

yeah i was hype about this game until i watched this video. i dont even own a ps3 i just thought itd be a good game. why is the ai always out in the open? what happened to the graphics? this video wasnt exactly riveting. plus where's the awesome soundtrack during fight scenes that gears has? probly hasnt been made yet or maybe some sounds are still place holders.

[kewlkat007]

did they do a Video Swap, this looks nothing like I seen on Tues. About this Video, not spectacular. The colors the colors, why is it so washed out? It sounds like COD, and looked like a WWII shooter. At least thats what I think.

What gives? After 2 years and they are not in Alpha stage? How long does it take?

[Lucky232]

This game is in a "pre" pre-alpha build. Textures have not been added. I also understand that half the animations are not in there. The developer is in GOD MODE, that's why it looks so easy. GOD MODE. They have only been developing KZ2 since after KZ: L which finished in 2006. Understand....?

I'm pretty certain the majority of you will be saying its "way too hard" when its released. My god some of you are hard headed.

[kewlkat007]

KZ2 was first shown at E3 2005? It's been more than 2 year bro. I'm just questioning a game after 2+ year, still in Pre-alpha. I find that odd.

God mode and the texture part probably answered my other questions.

-thx

This site also shed some more light
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3...

So in like 3 months we get Alpha, then Beta down the road.

[nurayi]

2 years is not unheard of. take your spin somewhere else. your only lieing to yourself.

[Scions Wrath]

The 360 fanboys just cannot handle the FACT that Killzone 2 beats any game on 360 now and in the future. That and the FACT that Sony completely dominated its rivals at E3 2007 by a long way.

GET OVER IT!

You know what they say - if you can't beat them join them!

And i should know, i have a 360 and PS3. Got both at launch.

[Lucky232]

KZ2 2005 trailer was not made by GG. They did not actually start development until after Killzone: Liberation (PSP) was finished.

KZ: L finished in mid-2006 so its been about a year and a half almost.

[LightofDarkness]

Ok, something needs to give here. Killzone 2, as I have said before, looks good in a way that PS3 games look good. Detailed and smooth animations, good lighting, nice physics and shaders (the blood effect). Gears, on the other hand, looks good in a way that the Xbox 360 can make a game look good. Sharp, highly detailed textures aided by high resloution bump maps, as well as extremely detailed models and geometry. You'll notice that Killzone does not have very detailed textures, but does have more life-life animation. The blood effect is excellent in KZ2, comparable to Gears' blood but I think Killzone's effect is a tad better (even though both are highly unrealistic ;)). Killzone just seems to move along better, but Gears can have some breathtaking textures and scenery, which nobody can deny. Comparing chracters like above is dumb, you're comparing texture detail, not characters. To properly compare the characters you'd have to take the characters in motion into account as well, because that's how Killzone's characters look good. And I think everyone can agree that they both make Halo 3 look quite inferior graphically. And as regards #57's post, you can't say that. The game's not released yet, you don't know if it's any better, because you haven't played it. I think it's YOU that needs to get over something.

[kevin1122]

ive never seen so many retards in one section lol. First, this video isnt in HD. Watch the HD version and you will see this definitely is the best looking console game to date.

[LightofDarkness]

Kevin, I'd have to say that amongst all the retards that have posted in this thread or any other, I can assure you that you rank higher than 90% of them. When you start to think that opinion = = (that is directly equivalent to) fact, then you may need to start wearing a helmet. And when you accuse others of the same obvious stupidity that you exhibit, it shows an even greater ignorance.

I've seen the video in HD, I do own a PS3. I'm looking forward to playing it, too. However, I simply can not say or agree that this game is the best looking console game to date. So far, all we've seen is one setting, the texture detail simply isn't there yet for me to start handing out awards and I don't think this game is even the best looking game on it's platform, not to mention all other platforms. In my opinion, Call of Duty 4 is probably the best looking console game I've seen to date, I'm anticipating that game a lot more than KZ2 simply because I know Call of Duty games are great, this game has shown 4 or 5 locations and settings and they each look jaw dropping, the model and texture detail are second to none in terms of console games and all that while running at 60FPS with even 20 or so soldiers on screen, not to mention the densely detailed environments. Add to that, Resident Evil 5 looks unbelievable as well and easily bests Killzone 2 in terms of graphical detail, especially the lighting.

[felidae]

Killzone 2 needs no excuses. it looks amazing

btw. the last COD4 trailer wasn't that amazing .. we will see.

[ApocalypseShadow]

and the "REAL FANBOYS" not "GAMERS" are showing their true colors.

killzone looks great,and they know it looks great.killzone threatens their believe that 360 is just as powerful as ps3.that it holds as much space through "compression" as ps3.that it has just as many "features" as ps3.that it can put as many things onscreen as ps3.

they believed in the system.it's breaking.
they believed in dvd.it's being filled up already.
they believed in hd-dvd.it's losing.

sucks to have your believes shattered.and the fact that unreal 3 runs better on ps3 means gears could run on ps3.it was just a marketing thing for microsoft.

but as for killzone,do you remember motorstorm.didn't look all that great at E3 in 2006.but the final game blew that early code away.this will be the same.here's proof:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

then:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

and that's just the japanese version.it got better for the US version.textures were better,speed was better.

http://media.ps3.ign.com/me...

then:

http://media.ps3.ign.com/me...

so only FANBOYS are complaining.but the FANS know it will be great when it releases.

[BLow]

I own both the PS3 and 360 and for anyone to say that this game doesn't look great or even amazing is beyond me. I think it's one of the best looking game I've seen and it's only pre-alpha. Yes, GoW was also a great looking game. Then again, there also wasn't many enemies on the screen at once. Also, remember when that game was supposed to come out. The game got delayed almost a year because the framerate sucked. Why is it that every game on the PS3 can't improve or get any better and the 360 ones can. How many times do we have to go through this crap? Games always improve over its development cycle so why can't this one. Plus we've only seen one small portion of the game yet it's getting scrutinized for it. Make no sense to me what so ever. This was part of the ENTIRE demo but now the game looks crappy all of a sudden. Ok....And to say the game looks dull and gray is also just not right. This is the way its supposed to look. This is not KillClank Tools of Destruction. Oh, I forgot GoW was such a colorful game. Please and to say that Uncharted, HS, and Ratchet have dull textures is insane. I must be looking at different games. Just because some of you fanboys don't like the PS3 doesn't mean you can't give a game credit when credit is do. That is if your a true gamer...I'm out.

[BLow]

Folklore, UT, GT, Haze, MGS are dull looking games too. Especially Little Big Planet.

[badboy808]

cliffy b has even stated that it looks better then GOW. So far killzone2 and crysis are two of the most visually impressive games I have seen.

[Cool_Mint]

game looks okay but the gameplay is no different from other shooters, i see no innovation still the same as all shooters.

[TheExecutive]

well, i somewhat agree. I agree with you because nothing is revolutionary about this games gameplay. That is unless the destructible environments become much more numerous. A fully destructible environment would change how you played the game signifcantly. Also they have no hud, which is quite different from the fps genre (although not revolutionary). AI changes gameplay, graphics change gameplay, and mood changes gameplay. All of which seem to be on par for this game.

I do agree with you that fps can and do become repetative, but a good story, good graphics, GREAT AI, and destructible environments can make this game stand out on its own; even in the fps genre.

[hotshot1237]

and u guys still think gears is the best lookin console. it looks cartoony, and killzone definetely looks more realistic, not 2 mention in its pre alpha. owned

[xg-ei8ht]

I like comparisons.

Like some ppl prefer Jaws(the shark model) to say Deep Blue sea cgi,(yes i know they had models as well)

I would certainly agree it was played on god mode, but i'd also have to agree the textures look awful. But that will change alot as time moves on.

Need higher quality textures, normal mapping. It would look 5times better.

A H/d Version of abov video.

http://www.gametrailers.com...

Gears of war is textured streamed.

So is rachet&clank, so is uncharted, Motorstorm 2 will be texture streamed alot more this time, Unreal 3 looks sweet. Textured to hell and back.

On the subject of halo 1, I thought the gameplay was good,and graphics were good for the time, but the characters were awful, like something out of a kids movie, almost comical(never understood that)stupid noises these creatures made. PG?

[TheExecutive]

well, ok. Gears, as of right now has better textures. Thats a fact. another fact is that killzone has so much more going on with it that its really hard to compare. Would you rather have 2 guys come at you, or would you rather have many enemies attacking? THats a personal preference, but no one can deny the fact that there is a lot more going on in killzone.

Here is another fact. If you compare gears you have to take into account a few things; 1. you are comparing a final product to a game that is 7 months from delivery. 2. ART DIRECTION. People seem to forget about this when judging the graphics of a game. A question that is just as important as how fast does this game run? or whats the resolution? is the question, how does this game make me feel? One thing that kinda annoys me is that people compare halo3 to killzone2. Its like comparing apples to oranges because they are both classified as fruit (muck like halo and killzone are both classified as fps). You cant understand what an apple tastes like from eating an orange, same wiht halo and killzone.

[crippler666]

One fact that people should take into consideration when talking consoles vs PC is the price of a PC to get games looking that crisp. Considering that some graphics cards in the UK are around £100 more expensive than the PS3 I think it is kinda stupid comparing them.

Take a PC of the same value as a PS3 then we might see a real differance in Sony and Microsofts favour.

I normally play FPS on pc's and I am very happy that UT3 will be keyboard / mouse compatable. I am even more hopeful of Killzone 2 being likewise.

[Eagle Eye]

Killzone 2 comes out and all the fan boys start talking like the 360 is some major piece of crap (and I know some fan boy gonna go well it is). I mean Killzone 2 and MGS4 were freakin awesome & Unreal Tournament looks sweet.
But its not like Gears of War is all 360 has. I mean did you guys see
Mass Effect I thought that looked pretty realistic and what about Bioshock and Lost Odyssey. Even Black Site Area 51 looks realistic I just recently played the demo for the 360 (of course it might be coming to the PS3 as well, so not sure about that one). But I'm not taking sides. I mean just look at Call of Duty 4 a awesome looking game and guess what guys? Its running sweet as hell on both 360 and PS3. I mean that tells a pretty good story doesn't it? Set aside all this fan boy crap for one second and just think about what I said.

[infamouskilla99]

ite lets get one thing straight u stupid xbot , how can u tell A.I s*cks from juss a lil bit of gameplay , dun be mad cuz ps3 has this kicks ass game while u stupid xbox fanboys get halo 3 wich by the way looks like s*itttttt, n the multiplayer is so f*cken last year been there done that , Killzone 2 is gonna kick the S*it out of gears of war n halo 3, so juss do urself a favor n stop talking garbage about diz glorious game dut ur ring of death console will never have , damn kid get a life

[Figboy]

how did this turn into a flamewar?

i mean, for *F*CKS SAKE!

all i want, is to look at some cool gameplay videos, and talk about it with fellow gamers, and all i fricking get are a bunch of pathetic, pre-pubescent fanboys who just can't admit that Sony proved a lot of people wrong here.

before E3, there were people all over the net saying that there was no way in hell Killzone PS3 was going to look like the old trailer, in any way, shape, or form.

now that they've shown they've achieved about 90% (and completely nailed the intensity of gameplay the trailer was trying to convey 100%), now it's all "well, it's not 100%, so Sony am fail! HAW HAW!"

grow the flying f*ck up already!

the game looks great. period.

not a single one of us were expecting the game to look like it's looking.

yes, the opening sequence on the ship doesn't look at good as the trailer, but from the moment the ship lands, and the Player Character hops off, it blows the original trailer away.

stop hating so damn much.

this was an innocent thread. no mention of rival consoles, no mention of rival game franchises, just a video, for those that are eager to see more Killzone 2.

you 360 fanboys should be ashamed of yourselves here. there was no inciteful flamebait for you all to respond to in this thread at all.

this is getting absurd, and i'm seriously thinking of leaving this site for good because of this immature sh*t.

[Maddens Raiders]

that the ones that only want to flame should simply be ignored. And I don't mean by the "ignore" button (believe it or not I want to hear public perception = good or bad) - but by just skipping their statements and posting your own intelligent quip, remark or statement that is relevant to the story. The guys that are trying to act out their avatars are usually the ones that are giving this site a bad name.

I hope you don't leave because of some of these dolts, but if you do, I totally understand.

cheers

[Whoooop]

Just enjoy the ride..

360 fanboys are just here to do one thing and that's sh*t on good PS3 news. I know PS3 fanboys do the same thing, but you can see quickly that is just a stupid retard trying to piss people off..

NOW when you go to ANY positive PS3 article or any gameplay footage that reasonable people know is GREAT, you can see a LOT of 360 fanboys and I mean a LOT trashing it.

The difference is (amount obviously being the main one) that all those 360fanboys are seriously in it. They are trashing as if it was their job. They are obsessed with the PS3 and they need to trash it, they just need to, they can't see the PS3 coming around with great news and great upcoming games..

They can't bare MSG4 exclusivity, they can't deal with the fact that KILLZONE is looking VERY VERY IMPRESSIVE.. It's just unacceptable for them.

So they will continue to do so, that's why you see every PS3 article, footage, news filled with comments.. Is just 360 fanboys that can't resist to the urge of saying something negative when they see the PS3 getting back on track to yet another successful run..

Just let them be.. Nothing we can do about it.

[schabeugen04]

Ok first of all we gamers need to stop trying to compare these two games cause it a moot point if you are trying to say one console is better than the other. First of all 360 enthusiast how can you guys bash the ps3,when they have a game with the same graphics engine as gears that looks better than gears and runs faster according to it developer, Yea unreal tourney III. so your argument about the ps3 graphics being trash is just stupid because gears has already been topped. Also everyone compares halo and gears and resistance once again this is a bad comparison because halo and resistance are more open shooters and have a further draw distance than gears and more enemies on screen, these things eat up resources. Where as gears just focuses on their graphics and throwing three or four guys onscreen, while resistance and I'm pretty sure halo 3 will both have massive enemies on screen.
I mean lets look at genji compared to VF5 both are fighters yet VF5 looks better because less is going on on the screen just two fighter duking it out. While Genji has way more enemies but looks worse cause all the soldiers on screen eat up resources Gears = VF5 Halo 3/Resistance = Genji

So umm for guys not to be impressed with kz2 is just foolish it has way more going on than gears, as far as resources, and looks damn near as good. Who's to Say killzone doesn't have massive battles like Resistance/Halo 3 we just saw one level. Lets go from the resouce stand point. Gears, Umm texture detail of the highest quality/30fps/smoke and fire/ 3 to 4 enemies on stage/small enclosed enviroment.

Killzone 2/Great textures(not good as gears/Dynamic lighting and shadows/Physics shoot enemies there bodies recoil accordingly/ more than a hand ful of enemies/frame rate appears to be above 30fps.

So umm yea developers have to make trade offs but this game is a beauty most definitely but a better comparison game would be COD4. Also this game might get gears by the time its done

* On a side not we need to take in Resolution and FPs as these thing eat resources also these games have different art directions which cannot be compared

[AIZEN SOZUKE]

the game has really crushed the old trailer, no it doesnt look like the old trailer, but then again, what are the chances of a completely different company making the a trailer that another company made, look exactly the same way? its quite impossible, but the fact is, is that it has beaten the old trailer, the game still looks like cg ingame, because cg is what sony built the ps3 to do in the first place, killzone has every game on every platform beat by a long shot, people dont even realise that the ps3 is so powerful that killzone 2 has 2 different engines. TWO, WHAT DO YOU MEAN TWO? ill tell ya, you see, in the opening of the trailer, you notice how the characters have shines, and doesnt quite look the same as when you play it, but is realtime, and looks cg equivalent, so that is the first powerful engine in the game, and then when you drop off the ship, the engine changes again, that alone make the game the best looking game on any platform, but hey what else to expect from a supercomputer gaming machine?

and, the people that say that it looks ok, and there are games that beat it, and its not all that sony said it would be, and it doesnt match the trailer, well i find that funny, because if its not the same as in identical with the trailer, it surely beats the trailer, and heres how, you see the trailer was pretty, but the clouds only lasted for a little while in the e3 2005 trailer, and not only that, but in the new gameplay, you actually fly in the clouds, also e3 2005, wheres the weathering? no where, and the opening was on the ingame engine, and lasted longer by alot than the e3 2005 trailer, not to mention, as pretty as you believe that the e3 2005 trailer is, there is a good chance that the e3 2007 trailer has many many more polygons, the only thing that i can say that beats this from 2005 is the explosions, also, why compare gears of war, a game that maxed out the system and more, to a game that is still only not even the tip of the iceburg for ps3, anyways, how are you gonna tell sony if the game doesnt look as good or better than the trailer? they are way more advanced in movie graphics than you all, and they and guerilla said they wouldnt show it till they exceeded gamers expectations, so they mustve been comparing it with the old trailer, and felt that it surpassed it, and it did, they certainly know if it looks better, they make movies, so of course they know what a true graphics comparison is, so they wouldnt have shown it e3 if they thought that it wasnt going to blow minds, many people are speaking that way, because it doesnt look EXACTLY like the trailer from e3 2005, but then again, that was impossible to do either way, they are a whole different company, so they decided to build their own engines for the game, for instance there are things in this game that they have made, that simply trouces anything in that trailer, like:

blood, there was no blood in the e3 2005 trailer

weathering, definately no weathering

destructive enviornments, some, but not on the scale of the new game

size of characters, the characters in the new game just are gigantic, with millions of polygons in each

facial animations on a larger scale, way more than the old trailer

animations period

A.I for alies and enemies are smarter than ever

there is so much going on, on screen it makes the old trailer look basic

so please, the game still looks like cg, but then again cg is what sony built the thing to do, then take it further

and for a lesson on the length of the development of killzone 2, you say 2 years? if your talking about 2 years on actual ps3 hardware, you DEAD wrong, if your talking about:

1.level design

2.character design

3.scripts

4.story

5.funding

and maybe even more developers, yeah that is the development

but, you see in e3 2005, ps3 was in incomplete form, not in any formation of a whole gaming platform, the games running that many say are not possible on the ps3, and sony lied, im afraid your wrong, the more budgets you see in that range, the more games will surpass those trailers, and excel, the ps3 wont end, the games in e3 2005 were nothing more than concept that were only not even the tip of the iceburg even for that level of visual expression, but the reason why development is taking this long, as if gears of war and crysis havent been in development for ages, but sadly killzone has been in development for the shortest time, on hardware that is, you see when making cg graphics, the process is staggering, it is usually done on farms of pcs when making movies, they are called supercomputers, this is sonys way of making movies that is, but even with these farms of pcs it takes months even years to make a movie at say shrek level? but, the thing is, is that the budget for those movies require much money, killzone 2 will be the smallest budget you will ever see for the graphical ability of the ps3, but anyway, the budget can be used for many things in the movie, such as the special effects you see in the movies, and more powerful cg, and as you can see the ps3 is working on the cg part, but the special effects, killzone 2 has achieved a level of special effects that hasnt ever been seen in a movie, and it hasnt even been a year in ps3s lifecycle yet, but hey, the doubters have to be silenced some kind of way, but anyway it can take about 3 years or more to make cg movies, you see how many years ghost rider and transformers were pushed back, this is the strain of making cg can have on you, but just with 120 developers and 20 million dollars, in well less than a year on the hardware, they have done an amazing job, the game they have made has beaten anything in gaming and really should only compared to movies, especially considering that ps3 is making sport of the work that usual supercomputers do, being that supercomputers still have to have workforces of about 1000 people working on farms of pcs, but all ps3 has is a reduced version, it has the ability of those farms of pcs, just condensed, this is why i laugh at the pc fans and whoever that say that anything has surpassed the ps3, but you have to get a good laugh sometime, right? yeah so, one last point is, as amazing as the game looks, this is the only righteous opinion and judgement, it looks as if sony and guerilla have only been working most keenly on the outer elements of the game, like the weathering, and physics, and other things, the graphics are nice, but it looks as if the last eight months they are going for major graphics upgrades, even from the tower that it is currently at, so i would watch myself about saying what the graphics look like now, if they focus on the graphics primarily for the rest of killzone 2 development, this game will be high in the ranks of movies on the big screen, games of any kind will be no challenge to it, as more power is dug outta the cell, the more things will grow in killzone 2, so keep saying that the explosions in killzone 2 are weak and other sh1t talk, TGS i guarantee the change will have already have started to take affect, youll see

guy above me, surely your not saying that anything has better graphics than killzone?

[warfed2]

this pic should sum everything up....

[no_more_heroes]

notice when he presses the button its the exact same "cutscene" no matter his distance from the button console. Haven't seen that in a while.

[Whoooop]

I noticed that.

The footage was impressive and VERY realistic, but I didn't like that specific thing.. Just a repetitive movement everytime he pushed the button as if it was the same scene over and over.

Hope they don't do this with every interaction in the game.. I'm sure they will fix that.

[no_more_heroes]

It will get delayed so that they can put in a similar feature to Halo 3's video editor because that thing is just crazy. You get a headshot. You replay the video, pause, rewind, fastforward (in slow-mo as well) and chapter skip, saving the video to your hard drive and on bungie.net. If you want, you can find the best angle of said headshot and snap a picture which is saved to your hard drive and to bungie.net, where you can download and save as a wallpaper on your computer. Sony would be wise to do that.

[Raptors]

Sorry folks. The first videos of KZ2 look absolutely fantastic. This one does not impress me at all. I wouldn't say that it looks like ps2 material but this video is definitely not on par with the other couple of videos shown at E3 07.

[sjappie]

the less I'm impressed. People may think it's the best thing that ever happened to em, it's just not that special. It looks nice enough, but very dark, bad AI: enemies don't seem to respond as they should, gameplay looks the same as KZ1, wich is bad, and seems kinda boring. It looks nowhere near the 2005 trailer.
Only thing I think is really great are the blood-effects wich are awesome.

[IBLEEDBLU]

even bother. we all know KZ2 pre- alpha ruins everything.

gears uses unreal engine = easy to stream data

how u tard faces seen unreal engine on the ps3? looks at UT3 or R&C tools of destruction which use that unreal engine. u ppl are so blind.

that amount of detail in that pre-alpha is crazy and ITS A PRE-ALPHA.

second the animation on KZ2 RUIN! gears - gears really has basic animation.

look at that clip that crazyman posted of that guy getting ruined by the machine gun - his movement is just retarded...plus the lighting matches it perfectly.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! ever said gears looked better then the CG trailer...y is that? because u know its not - now that KZ2 came close and even in some area pass the CGI trailer - gears all of a sudden looks better then KZ2 pre-alpha - so that makes gears better then the CG trailer hahaha

YAAAAA SUREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

u ppl need to just accept it...gears looks nice because theres nothing around it - its short - has max ppl on screen 4-5 and glitches more then a guy having a seizure

i guess u xbots will just need to wait till its released to see the final copy which will blow ur mind - bc that trailer already shocked the world of gaming and we ALL know every1 was shocked

[sjappie]

also has only around 5 people on screen at a time, so what's your point?

[Lowtax]

In relevance to this video; I am very excited. My speculation is that it's a beautiful game, however, I'm not to sure about the gameplay. I never played the first Killzone so I'm not exactly too sure WHAT to expect. If it was originally a first person shooter with blunt trauma action then that's fine.

As to this bickering and irrelevant point by point platform exclusive fighting, stop. My words will never help end this console war because unfortunatly opinions can't always be tempered with intelligence, mostly aggression. I am a gamer. I have played GoW and I love it. It is not a fair comparison; it is a third-person shooter, not a first. Leave the titles to their owners, why are you even comparing them in the first place? Stop focusing on what will be better, enjoy them for their own strengths. At this rate systems won't even be entertainment consoles, just tools for the digital distribution debates.

[Unknown]

PS3 owners compare KZ2 to GEARS OF WAR is because secretly they wish they had that game. They wish they had something of that caliber to play on the PS3 NOW but they simply don't. But on that same note... 360 owners, though they may state otherwise, deep down inside they want to play KZ2. I don't care if just to shoot the thing just once, they want to see how it plays. Deep, deep inside every fan boy I believe is a gamer. And this is why, though they fail to realize or admit it, fan boys will always keep a watchful eye on games that aren't on their system because they DO want to play it. Alot of people on this site needs to release there inner gamer!! lol

[Maddens Raiders]

What are you talking about? Do you even know? How do you know what "I" want, huh? I'm a PS3 owner, have played GeoW and have never compared the two. GeoW looks nothing like KZII and might never. KZII is nowhere being finished and you're acting like a child. C'mon

Now really, GeOw was great when it first came out, but it's not the best game ever made, nor the end all be all. I'm telling you, some of you guys and the GeoW thing is tinkering on the verge of unchecked fanaticism. There will be better so why stay stuck on it man? You got GeoW a year after launch so why are you trying to clown PS3 fans for a game that's being compared to it in pre-Alpha 'now', as you say. Of course I wish I could play it now, but the beta will be here soon enough and that will be A-ok for me.

As far as the inner gamer, I've played plenty GeoW and love the game, but certainly wouldn't say, "well that's it - nothing's better...", nor do I sit in my den biting my nails fiending to play it. So, I'm not sure what you're really getting at here.

Haze, Uncharted, COD4, Warhawk, Assassin's Creed, HS, and Lair are going to tide me over just fine until then not to mention a host of other things so I'll just leave it there.

[Unknown]

STOP YOUR CRYING!!! Not once did I say GEARS OF WAR was better than anything on the d@mn planet. Not ONCE did I call you out. You MUST be a Fan boy or something if I struck a cord so strong for you to call me out. Look at my post and I give mad props to KZ2 so don't play yourself. I merely stated that deep down inside people DO want to play games that they try to trash all the time. You've played GEARS so how in h3ll can I be talking to you. Do you people on this site actually digest what they read before they type?

[Maddens Raiders]

... -- "PS3 owners compare KZ2 to GEARS OF WAR is because secretly they wish they had that game. They wish they had something of that caliber to play on the PS3 NOW but they simply don't."... --

No one is crying here unknown. I don't wish what you say. Why generalize this feeling? This is how games become labeled "Halo Killers" for no friggin' good reason other than the people who repeat this idiotic stuff. I guess your mesmerization with the largesse of GeoW has got you stuck in that frame of mind which allows you to categorize hordes of people so easily, but I'm here to tell you that it doesn't work that way pal. I talk to many, many PS3 and PS2 owners every week and they are not collectively sitting around sulking for the chance to grip the controller to pilot M. Fenix and co. around all night. Broad, broad generalization you're making. I'm just setting the record a little more balanced than what you proclaim. And yes...I do "digest" what's read before typing, thank you.

Edit @ below - you know what's wierd unknown? It's that I've never once been intrigued to buy a 360 until Mass Effect & Crysis came along. My cousin's 360 used to get plenty of gameplay out of us before it left [him] high and dry (don't even wanna go there) and after the KZII vid my anxiousness for ME has waned somewhat admittedly, but will still test the game and it might get me to still purchase a Falcon, that is if Crysis stays off the PS3. My judgement remains reserved. You see unknown not all fanboys are the same.

In all fairness unknown if you're not a PS3 or SNE owner you can't presume to know what that lot wants. You're candor is appreciated, but all in all it's just rhetoric. This thread is really about people wanting to tear down the KZII pre-Alpha build when it has been ballyhooed by many a journalist that went behind the scenes and had their socks blown off. That's what this is about. Not the unfinished game. But the "unfinished game" that totally shocked the show and the world. I never said that you thought Gears was the best thing since sliced bread and I'm not making a big deal of that. I think you know what I mean when I say that not all fanboys are the same, because some won't EVEN play the other system's game and that's simply ridiculous.

[Unknown]

Well my broad generalization comes from the various hundred something posts from PS3 owners who TARGET GEARS OF WAR when they are comparing graphics. The 360 owners do the same thing. You make like I'm out to bash ps3 owners. I'm merely talking about fanboyism right now. I not once degraded ANY game on the PS3, merely stating that I believe that people who always target a game on another system all the time secretly want to play that game. Thats just my view. You and your playstation buddies don't do that fine. Good for you that you're not some fan boy who can't enjoy games for what they are. Games to be played for entertainment. Once again my post was DIRECTED at those people who pick a AAA title and act like it aint crap compared to whatever the AAA title is on that system. You make me laugh when you say that I think that GEARS is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That is not true. Look at my pervios posts and I've always spoke highly KZ2 and pretty much the PS3 in general. And guess what.... I've never owned a SONY product. Not nothing. But the future is changing....
@Above- Makes sense to me. I really don't understand why alot of 360 owners are bashing the game. Its not just good for SONY that KZ2 looks as good as it does, it good for the industry. And like its been said, its PRE ALPHA. Thats crazy stuff. I understand where you're coming from and maybe I should've worded it differently as you're obviously not like a great majority on this site that just bash something because it has the opposing systems name. In the end there is nothing wrong with being a fan boy. The problem comes into play when an owner of a system can't enjoy games on another system as you stated above.

[Whoooop]

well put..

Killzone2 is impressive right now and that's good. We all know is pre-alpha so there's a lot of time on Guerrilla hands to make this baby even more impressive by the time it release..

That said, There's no need to be so hyped about killzone or so desperate now that we saw actual in-game footage and gameplay, because we have some GREAT games coming this year that are going to keep us very distracted..

Lair, Uncharted, Warhawk, HS .. KILLZONE what??? By the time we get our hands on games like uncharted and HS we will forget about killzone believe me..

When killzone is at BETA and we get at least a demo, THEN I think is time for us to get really exited..

[Observer]

"Killzone 2 looks like a PS2 game"

Now seriously, is that the best you (haters) can come up with ?

The game looks good. Period. Irrespectively of whether you own, don't have, love, hate, despise, cherish, or piss on the PS3, the game looks good.

[hazardman]

this killzone 2 demo did not look like the first E3 demo footage. The graphics on this video look more like Fall Resistance of Man...looks like crap. This has to be old...

[hazardman]

to huntsville you don't know what your talkin bout boy..go smoke another one

[media73]

PRE PRE ALPHA -- SAY IT WITH ME YOU IDIOTS THIS IS PRE-PRE BLOODY ALPHA. Do you know what that means?

[LightofDarkness]

Well clearly you don't, as pre-pre-alpha is not a term, it was an exaggeration by the developer to give you an idea of how far the game is along. It's actually just "pre-alpha." As in prior to a point where significant changes cannot be made, but I doubt if we'll see any great changes tot he graphics engine, as that has likely passed a baseline and the SKU can now only be changed after a long formal process, where changes made tot he SKU must be important enough to pass a formal review. Welcome to the world of Change Control in Software Quality Management.

[aggh im on fire]

The E3 trailer with the troops coming down on the drop looked amazing but this video looks ropey. Bit shabby. Im sure this is down to the poor video though and not the game as the rest of what ive seen looks awsome.

[IQUITN4G]

Hmm this vid isn't as good as the last ones iv'e seen.No cutscenes in this one and even though all the cutscenes from this years E3 have been entirely ingame,they tend to always make the game look better than it is.Halo2 ,Gears and just about anything.Slightly different for Killzone because it's predefined animations your beholding.Hmm i have a feeling this is going to be canned animation routines making up the more impressive set pieces and while that's fine ,it would explain why some of the earlier footage this week has been quite impressive.I'm not so sure about how special i originally thought this to be.
On a previous thread i was saying about how this was rather impressing me but with what iv'e noticed watching this new vid,i think i'll just wait and see.There was some decidely low textures in there and i'm not convinced they would just be placeholders considering this had to be Sony's showpiece.I hardly think it will be a dud but i'm not about to spend £425 just for this one game like i was planning.

Go ahead and disagree but what iv'e said here is actually quite fair.