PS3 'in better place for launch' than 360 - Mark Rein

Amidst all the arguments over PS3's hefty price tag, how much the world really cares about Blu-ray, and how important Xbox 360's steadily growing lead will prove, self-styled 'industry loudmouth' and Epic boss Mark Rein has revealed an interesting take on the next-gen battle from a developer's perspective.

Comparing the situation for developers last year ahead of the launch of 360, Rein believes Sony's efforts to get final dev kits out to studios compares favourably with those of its bitter rival...

[jedicurt]

that can't be true, cause i remember every single xbox fanboy (note, not all xbox 360 supporters on here are fanboys) have said that every game developer thought that the PS3 was nothing but a pile of junk and such. etc...

[General]

Hehe, Thats Typical for an xbox fan to say, Be ready for a damn Army of Xbox fans to come here and start saying "This cant be true, This is bullsh*t!" You guys just cant accept defeat.

[Cyclonus]

Reading Comprehension isn't one of your strong suits is it?

All Mark Rein is saying is that PS3 devs have had MORE time with final hardware than the 360 did. And I like how you ignore the last part of the interview; you know, where he says Gears of War, the best looking game at E3, WAS RUNNING ON ONE CORE...

And speaking of Epic games in development, while 360 action title Gears of War was undoubtedly one of the more visually amazing titles on show during May's gaming spectacular, Rein promised that improved tech will mean that the final version will raise the bar still further.

"[The E3 demo] was using our single-threaded rendered. We have our new Gemini multi-threaded rendered working in the engine right now," Rein explained. "The final game's built on it, it gives us better frame rates and more fluidity - UT 2007 will also benefit from it. It only gets better from here. So if you were impressed with Gears of War at E3, the finished game's going to be much better, it's going to be spectacular."

Defeat? Hardly.

[achira]

cyclonos you dont understand something. single-threaded rendered not equal to one core !!! multi-threaded rendered means only that the render process is more optimiced for multi-core and nothing more, that does not mean, they used only one core, and know they use three cores.

[Sphinx]

Heehee... I am a 360 fanboy, if that is what you want to call me, that's fine... I am surprised how quickly Sony got out the dev kits... I wonder how long before the 360's launch that MS had their dev kits out. Hmmm... interesting.
Oh, also, I don't think PS3 is going to be in the same place as the PS2 was. I think, at best, PS3 will be in the #2 spot. I think it is a little too late to catch up quick enough, especially with the price point. Sony may win in Japan, but I couldn't care less, as I do no live there, nor care for their weird-ass games and kiddie porn obsessions.
ZING ZING!!

[shotty]

Its because the ps3 was originally supposed to launch in spring but then got delayed to november. So actually proof that sony just outright lied about the spring launch of the ps3 and it was meant for november the whole time since the final kits only went out during may.

[Marriot VP]

yah it's taken out of context, the title I mean. All he's saying is the additional year for developers is better....DUH, like we can't figure that out.

another Captain obvious. Plus he does say GOW is the best looking game so far, even running of 1/3 of 360's CPU. So really he's supporting the 360 far more than the PS3. Any console with almost an additional year will have better developed games.

[andy capps]

No, he's not saying that. He's saying that PS3 is in a better place for launch because the devs have had more time with final hardware to prepare their launch titles so that they are better looking, run smoothly, online works (unlike COD2 at launch), etc. He's not saying the PS3 I$ TEH ROXORZ! but just that they're more prepared for launch.

To the above asking how long Xbox 360 devs had final dev kits, I believe it was around 2 months?.. Not sure exactly, but it was not 6 months like the PS3 devs will have had. He's just saying that they'll have more time and that that's a good thing.

Gears of War does look great, and I'm sure it'll look great at launch. He's not saying that the 360 is better than the PS3, he's just saying that they've worked on the Unreal Engine to where it will take advantage of multi-threading and that it will run better now. That's good to hear for Gears of War, as well as UT2007 for PS3 and PC.

Zypher- couldn't have said it better myself. Hahaha!

BTW, this thread is pure flamebait! Nothing against the poster as this is gaming news, but this will probably be my last post, as this one will probably be another 500-600 comment topic of utter crap.

[Bunnyslippers]

Mark Rein has supported the PS3 a lot. Like mentioning running an unoptimized UT07 at 49fps, on a not finalized PS3 devkit. And you won't see Rein choosing sides. And I still remember Gears of Wars didn't run as smooth on the Xbox360. SO they probably spent a lot of time optimizing Gears od War for the Xbox360. And it paid off. I mean running Gears of War on one core. While other developers need all three. But this telling more about the developers than about Xbox360.

And so the delay of the PS3 launch isn't a bad thing. If the PS3 was released earlier, the launch games would be in the same shape as the Xbox360 launch games.

[Marriot VP]

Andy thats exactly what I said, just in an expanded version. I said the extra amount of time with developing was gonna get better launch games for the PS3...DUH.

So what's your point...did I not act like a PS3 fanboy for you??

[andy capps]

I wasn't disagreeing with the first part, just the second where you said that he prefers the 360, "Plus he does say GOW is the best looking game so far, even running of 1/3 of 360's CPU. So really he's supporting the 360 far more than the PS3. Any console with almost an additional year will have better developed games."

I agree with the last sentence, but I don't think he greatly prefers the 360 over the PS3. They're a multi-platform dev that has their new engine included as a part of the tools available for PS3 devs. Their engine licensing is their bread and butter, and they're also working a game for the PS3 and PC, so I don't think he's picking favorites here. Next week he'll probably be talking about how PC games are far superior to console games... He's trying to play both sides of the fence by saying PS3 is going to have a better launch due to more time with final devkits, amd Gears of War looked great at E3 but was running on a single core, just wait till you see it using our new multi-threaded renderer. He's trying to make both sides happy, and give a plug for their new tools at the same time.

[Marriot VP]

andy I guess I got confused when you said, "
No, he's not saying that."

and i didn't say he prefered the 360, i said stating the obvious was stupid and him adding that he thinks GOW is more impressive than anything out makes more of an impact than stating the obvious about developing time.

[Aflac]

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[Jay da 2KBalla]

Bioshock is only for the 360 and pc.

[GamerX2]

Gears of War was undoubtedly one of the more visually amazing titles on show during May's gaming spectacular-Mark Rein

[Sphinx]

...with today's public schools... what do they teach you, zypher? They must have cut grammar and spelling since I've been out.

[zypher]

oh, i get it now. it takes a TRUE gamer (me) to have to stoop to the levels of nonsensical silliness before he gets heard. if you knew anything about me you'll notice that those two previous "statements" i made were just rants, mere visualizations of how stupid i believe fanboys can be. now STEP BAK B4 I ROK YO DOME XBUG NOOB! HAHA and LOL!

[sparco]

Oh, you get it now. It takes a TRUE W*NKER (you) to have to stoop to the level of w*nkerness to be laughed at. If you knew anythign at all (directed at you zypher) you'll notice how much of a t*t you looked posting the other comments. Mere dreams of a geek that w*nks all over the picture of a ps3. Now STEP BCK B4 ZYPHER ROKS HIS CO*CK ALL OVER OUR MANLY FACES COS HES A SEXUALLY CONFUSED INDIVIDUAL. NOOB! HAHA and LOL!

[zypher]

laughed at sparco? you really think that was my intention? why not educate yourself and accept my gist. it was to show how stupid fanboys can be. i'll bet if i'd said those negative things about the PS3 you wouldn't have even bothered responding. you have no idea how often i proudly play Oblivion or Gears of War (oops, meant God of War...just goes to show you how much i'm waiting on the game), just to turn on my computer, come to game sites like this and hear all the senseless fanboy bickering that goes on. as of now it's gotten so bad that i often think about selling my games and forgetting about the whole thing altogether; there are other forms of entertainment which are free of the stupidity that plagues gaming fans. and you say i'm trying to cop a laugh? i've tried my best to be one of the most impartial posters on this site. sure, i may slam Sony or Microsoft here or there whenever they deserve it, but i have NEVER slammed either the 360 or PS3. and i'm trying to cop a laugh? it seems to me that its just a reflection of how you feel about gaming that you would think i was trying to get laughter from you.

[sparco]

Im not gonna get offensive with ya, i replied the way i replied because i thought you were one of those sad pathetic people that come on here and instantly abuse one console or the other simply because you want the competitors product. Im glad your not one of those and i look forward to reading more posts from you. This is the first time i have read one of your posts on the site, that is why i took it the way i took it. Btw, the post i made doesn't reflect the way i feel about games. Im not a competitive or a serious serious gamer; im more of a casual one. I have a big social life, alot of friends and im out with them almost every day, but yea I like to play a game every now and again, like Halo or summit. But when a big game comes out that ive been looking forward to for a long time comes out, i will stay on that game for weeks, rarely leaving the house lol. So if thats what my post portrays me as, then thats what it portrays me as. just thought id tell you the way i am for the record :) I have no problem with you m8. I just got the wrong idea from the first post :)

[zypher]

thats cool sparco. i can accept that, and i can respect your preference. i truly meant no offense to you are anyone with my earlier posts: i was just trying to make a point. i have a demanding social life too (maybe not as demanding as you, but demanding nevertheless). juggling a 40+ hr. a week job, frequent traveling and a girlfriend only leaves me with about 5-10 per week for gaming. nevertheless i've been playing video games since i was eight (for about 20 years) and would consider myself a fairly knowledgeable gamer: much like yourself i KNOW what i like. i have no problem if you like 360 better than the PS3 or vice versa: it matters little to me which you prefer, just as long as you're a good natured, honest gamer. if you are like me, and just like gaming irregardless of a consoles manufacturer then yes, i look forward to exchanging posts with you too. now, if we could get some of these knuckleheads in line this site would be a lot more enjoyable.

[sparco]

As ive said before in other news comments,im more of an Xbox 360 fan. But i can still read this news and not get all "fanboyish" about it. I can see the PS3 is going to be a fantastic console, no doubt about it, but it will only reach that status when we finally see some decent games being developed for it. Sure you've got MGS4 and Assasins Creed (although it is coming to the 360), but those two games in my opinion are the only good looking examples of a ps3 launch title. Sure the developers might think the ps3 will come out on top in terms of launch beacuse final dev kits have been delivered early, but how can they do that with only two appealing games? Id say it sgonna be quite difficult; but good luck to them :)

[sparco]

My 360 should be replaced and delivered to me tomorrow. So hopefully i can get into some games with you and the other peeps on the N4G forums.

[Alexander]

It's nothing really special at all for PS3 fans, what he says is pretty obvious.

What is cool is the fact GOW looks brilliant and aparentl plays amazingly and was only running on 1 thread on each core, thats f-ing cool.

http://screenshots.teamxbox...

http://screenshots.teamxbox...

Glorious.

[Aflac]

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[Jay da 2KBalla]

I have no respect for die hard dumbass sony fanboys who cant spell and repeatedly make up words (ie xfeggot).

[achira]

at first english is not my native language. and secondly i could not write this word without error because i cant use this word in this forum so i changed the a to e.

[HyperBear]

there is @. like F@GGOT. We dont need the X and the "e". WOW

[DG]

and more

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzz.............

[Aflac]

all u ever do is bash the 360, and then u b!tch at us fer bashing the ps3 as if ur a perfect little angel. None of us r interested in ps3. I just want it to die because sony never deserved to be on top before - and they certainly dont this time around either. I had a ps2 for 5yrs and it sucked - xbox was way ahead of it in tech. But of course sony lied and blackmailed stores, etc (read article: "What Really Happened to the Dreamcast" its in the last page of the 'gaming' section of this site). It's time for good to triumph over evil.

[achira]

hahaaa what a joke. i am certainly not so often (better never) on the xbox360 section. and i dont bash the xbox360 as much as other here bash the ps3. there are other who bash 100000 times more. so your argumemt is senseless, with it you would be far more hypocritic.

[RBlaze]

I prefer not to get involved in the console arguments about games, though will happily comment on games and news of all consoles. However, i am, at heart an Xbox Gamer, and wont be getting a PS3 because im happy enough with my 360. Now i accept that both consoles have pros and cons, and i know that many people know this, and i am happy to discuss with anyone why i prefer the 360, or why they prefer the PS3. So how come so many Xbox and PS3 fans feel the need to flame eachother with silly insults, instead of discussing whats actually happenning? Call me an Xbox fan or whatever because i prefer that console, but why should the console choice i make, cause an immediate dislike from people who want a PS3, and vica versa?

[Jay da 2KBalla]

I agree and I too prefer the 360 but damn I wish Heavenly Sword and Resistance was coming out for the 360 for I cant afford a 600 dollar console and a 400 dollar console and then games and accessories. Just too much. So Ima stick with what I consider the better console(360) and probably a wii seeing I can get both for the price of one ps3.

[andy capps]

I agree wholeheartedly with 15, except I'm more of a PS gamer. I enjoy games in general honestly.

Jay, you can always get a PS3 after some price drops. I plan on getting a 360 when it's around $150-200, which will be quite a while. Or you can just do what I do in the meantime, go to your friends' houses that will have a PS3 and play it. Both those games look great by the way. You know you'll be missing some MGS4, new Ratchet and Clank, Killzone PS3, and Warhawk, right? :) I feel the same way about Gears of War and Mass Effect, I want to play both of those pretty badly. Halo 3 I could care less, got bored with the first two. Maybe that's sacrilege to say that I don't care that much for the Halo franchise, but I just didn't enjoy it that much. Having played PC shooters for years, I thought they were well made, but too overhyped for me. I played each for at least 5 hours, and just got too bored and turned them off.

[zypher]

agree wholeheartedly. i have a 360, but feel that i'll prefer the PS3 simply based on my liking of PSOne and PS2. if these forums could just remain civil discussions then this site would be FAR more enjoyable. i really couldn't say why FANBOYS feel the need to bash the competition other than just pure jealousy. me myself, i like PS2 more simply because of preference and taste: it just has more games that i like. its as simple as that. that trend looks to continue with the PS3; despite the fact that i have a 360, am loving every bit of Oblivion and GRAW, and can't wait for Gears of War, Bioshock, Fable and Halo 3, i just think i'll like PS3 more for what it has in store. its all the same with me either way because, like i said, i'll support ANY system that has good games.

i hear a lot of people slamming PS3, but then they turn around and say how..."Oh, i wish Resistance, Assassins Creed, MGS4, Lair etc. would come to the 360" and they use the excuse of money as a copout. if you are a true gamer and you like something then just get it: if you can't afford it then fine, don't let that be an excuse to bash the system just because you can't afford it.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

You mean to tell me that Gears of War looked that good and was only running on 1 thread for each processor. Thats amazing. They have an additional 3 threads to use. I cant wait to see how this looks when it launches.

[Aflac]

...3 core processor, each core has 2 threads = 6 threads total

[Jay da 2KBalla]

But they didnt say they were using 1 thread. They said they were using a single threaded renderer so each core was only using 1 thread right?

[Alexander]

Yeh thats what i said and tbf that is alot more realistic, im not going to be saying OMGZ 1 thread only!!! Games can be 6 times better, it aint happening.

Oh sh!t i forgot it is, did you guys catch that KiLLZONE 2 GAMEPLAY VIDEO!!!!1!!11!

[Aflac]

wow, i didnt rlly read it. lol.

[Islandkiwi]

That ps3 games will be superior to 360 launch games. That's what I'm getting out of this. The devs have had a lot more time, so the games should be considerably better, right?

We shall see.

[Zor_El328]

The only reason Ps3 is in a better place is because they waited an entire year after X-box, if they weren't in a better place i would seriously be worried!

[ASTAROTH]

Why I dont need the 360? I preffer to wait for the PS3 and Wii. JUST to REALY compare. I dont need the 360 rigth now cause... HAVE ANY OF YOU SEEN VALKIRE PROFILE 2 FOR THE PS2, IT LOOKS LIKE... A 360 GAME. LOL!!

[DJ]

He said single-thread, not single core. Games like Kameo and Project Gotham already use 5 out of the 6 available threads (the extra thread is usually left open for decompression and other OS functions), so there's no problem getting them up and running. The goal of the 360 cpu was to take single-threaded code and run it on an array of different processors (3 resource intensive threads and 3 resource lite threads). But now Epic's rendering system is custom coded to support multi-threading which is improving performance in both Gears of War and Unreal Tournament. It's great for everyone. =)

Well, the time difference isn't as equal as some would like us to believe. PS3 developers are getting their final dev kits 10 months after 360 developers got their's, which was in August 2005.

PS3 devs are getting final or near-final kits in June/July of 2006. If both 360 and PS3 developers got their final kits at roughly the same time, then it would be valid to compare 2nd-gen 360 titles with pre-launch PS3 titles.

[DJ]

Can't wait for that title. Even high-profile magazines are saying it looks better than the 360 rpgs coming out, and even utilizes a lot of the same effects. And on a 6-year old system too. Squenix is amazing.

[ASTAROTH]

Thats what Im talking about man. My old PS2 is DOING this game.OMG. At last someone who understands. Keep your comments man, I agree with them. GOOD JOB on shuting the REAL DEAL MOUTH!!!

[Unkoman]

politicans r trying to ban or restrict certain types of games. they probably come to this forum and see how overwhelmingly dumb gaming individuals can be. how in h3ll did a simple comment turn into ps3 or 360 is better. why is everybody so emotional? its cool to be a fan of a certain console but its important to be a fan of gaming because each microsoft sony and nintendo drives the other to be better. fanboys need to except facts. facts like the ps3 will have better looking lauch games when compared to the 360. the fact that xbox360 will have better looking games than the ps3 due to developers having more time with the hardware. u can't get made at the facts guys.

[Sphinx]

I like videogames. Videogames are fun.

[DJ]

the crazy thing is, it's all realtime graphics. Can't wait to see what they've done with the battle system.

http://img45.imageshack.us/...

[Alexander]

Well yes it does look good, but 2D sprites of 3D graphics and then 3D charactersm its isnt that hard to render if thats how they do it. Pretty backgrounds. An improved side-scroller? Could you post more links to info, im intruiged...

[mikeeno7]

The sad fact is people on this site are arguing over videogame consoles. I can't believe it myself sometimes the stuff i see going on.

So whilst everyone pointlessly argue, i will buy all 3 and enjoy the rewards.

[PS3sux360inchWiiWii]

Everyone on both sides can appreciate this news! and just think how this may effect all games using the engine! this should be great!.

Also I'd hope PS3 games would match or look a little better than 360's launch games! because at this point consumers will be comparing PS3's launch games to the 2nd round of 360 ones. Either way though PS3 should be great for those of you who want it, it just isn't for me. I would love to see some MGS4 gameplay though... Im sick of these trailers!!

[PS3sux360inchWiiWii]

PS3 developers have had more time with the hardwear before the systems launch where as 360 developers did not!

[DJ]

they've had just as much time with their hardware as 360 devs (technically), but recieved Final Kits in June/July 2006, ten months after 360 devs had their Final kits. Plus the PS3 GPU was only finalized a few months ago. the Xenos (360 GPU) was taped out in march of last year.

[kingboy]

lol its not far..why argue now when by november we gonna get to compare plenty games head to head on both versions of the consoles..we gonna see who got a little more extra

[DJ]

It'll be more fair to compare the retail versions of these games head on and see in which areas they top each other. I kinda wish there weren't so many great PS3 titles coming out at once, hehe. There's 6 off of the top of my head that I'm set on buying during launch.

[highps3]

Well finally we have all agreed that the Ps3 is the best console and its not even out yet! Ps3 should have a way better launch on top of that. Ps3 FTW again!

[Dragonopolis]

I'm a gamer. I usually prefer one console but I always have more than one. I just have to justify a reason for the second or even third console. I have a PS2 my boys were tired of me hogging all the game time requested a Gamecube and got it. Between the two consoles and my beloved PC I didn't need and Xbox. However, my DVD player broke and I needed a new one. I borrowed my friends Xbox to watch movies and was impressed with the quality. The Xbox was around $200 dollars then and I noticed that the quality of Picture was just as good as a Stand alone Player. So I opted for an Xbox and came to love not only the DVD playing ability but some of the exclusive games for it as well (DOA fan as well as Halo).

Why? Because I'm a gamer and I play games so of course I'm going to buy a machine that plays DVD and Games over a DVD Player that doesn't for the same price.

My situation has change slightly. I've grown accustomed to my Xbox 360 I know my boys want a Wii why do I need another Console (a.k.a. PS3)

However, I didn't buy a HDTV just to play games so I'm going to need a HD Movie Player. Again, why should I buy a Stand alone Movie Player when I can buy a console that will do both. Verdict? I spend the extra $100 dollars for the PS3 (Toshiba HD-DVD $500)

Why? Again I'm a gamer. This time around, for me at least, it is Movie Playing I'm justifying the purchase of the Playstation rather than an Xbox.

I've been watching the news on both HD disc camps and I can tell you that I doubt we Xbox fans will see cheap HD Movie Players anytime soon.

Microsoft said that when they do release a HD-DVD addon it will be priced around $200 -$300 (not $100 dollars the horrible rumors that spread in forums/comments). Toshiba has already confirmed that they are their HD-DVD units way below cost so the $500 dollar price mark is going to hold for awhile. Blu-ray Camp is reporting parts shortages which will probably keep Blu-ray players High so the PS3 will be the best deal around for KEY word here
GAMERS.

I think this loyalty crap from these so called Fanboys from Sony and Microsoft is stupid. Bottom-line is both companies only love us when we buy their love. Come on now, both systems have great games and the graphics quality on both consoles is two close to bash. For instance, Gamecube Resident Evil 4 was a very pretty graphically. It was noticeably better than the PS2 version but the PS2 version still Rocked!

I'm sure we're going to see this back and forth "tug of war" where sometimes it seems like PS3 games look or play better and sometimes we will see Xbox 360 games look or play better.

Give it a rest. I have both consoles and enjoy all the great games offered. I gave a reason for xbox 360 fans to purchase a PS3 and feel that PS3 fans are more gamers at heart than. They often talk more about the games than how powerful their system is compare to another.

Since they are more open to the idea of games I can't see why they are waiting for the PS3 when they are missing out on some great games on the Xbox 360 now - its sad.

If you own an HDTV I truly believe there is a place for both consoles. This hater first thing has got to stop. After all its about the games not the Hardware.

Xbox owners we need PS3 to succeed whether its a close 1st or 2nd it doesn't matter. The better looking and playable the PS3 games will be only increase the quality of xbox 360 games too stay competitive. Same goes for PS3 fans - we need the xbox to be successful to keep our quality of games high. We as gamers will only win in the end. If we all own both in away it fudges the numbers and developers will have to respect the numbers so there will be great games created for both - gamers win.

Oh and just a reminder. The HD disc format that wins is the one who kisses the most butts in Hollywood/Movie Industry. If you recall betamax was better but VCR had the majority of the industry backing it and VCR format won.

In comparison, even if HD-DVD does prove to be the better format (the verdict is still out really need a year to determine which is truly better), Blu-ray has the majority of Movie Industry as well as the PC industry backing it up.

So, we can bicker all we want but Blu-ray camp and Sony did the butt kissing this time and will become the format of choice - regardless of who has the better picture quality.

[THELANDSOFSAND]

if its so great, how come THQ cancelled their PS3 game and EA cannot get the 360 titles to run properly on PS3 developement kits, all happening at the same time that sony's 5 year developer representative quits?

PS3 is in trouble...

[DJ]

That's already a pretty big strain on resources, time that will be better spent making an engine that takes more advantage of the PS3...which is why it's been delayed (not cancelled). The Godfather was delayed heavily for the 360, yet no said "Well if 360 is so great why are they delaying it?"

By the way, did you even watch the Sony's press conference? EA's NBA title (which was played in front of the audience) looked even better than ever! Improved AI, footplanting, more realistic animations and visuals. Everything's going to be fine. ^_~

[zypher]

i'm not sure about the whole EA bit (like DJ said, from what i saw at E3 EA's hoop game looked pretty good, with improved animation, footplanting etc.), but as far as THQ it was simply a matter of optimizing the game for the PS3 instead of porting it from the 360. the Smackdown vs. Raw series has always founded its home on Sony's consoles. the cancellation (or more appropriately postponement) was simply a matter of waiting to make it right. besides, wasn't Gears of War supposed to come out at 360's launch window too? Epic decided to postpone it for quality issues, the same reason THQ decided to postpone SVR on the PS3

[blackmagic]

Umm... the godfather may have been delayed for 360 but it was cancelled for ps3. Try again.

[jiggajayp]

Please, this guy is obviously a PS2/3 fan!! That`s why he`s saying this crap period!!!!

[zypher]

this guy is a PS2/3 fan? so what if he is. however, you DO know that this guy--Mark Rein--heads Epic, the same company thats developing 360's Gears of War, don't you?

[urbanguy06]

Why do people get so worked up over speculation? Remember Superman was going to be the movie of the summer..lol.."Pirates&quo t; whooped his ass! Also never has the success of a generation been based on power, its based on the games. PS2 was never more powerful than XBOX, but look how that turned out. I too beleive PS3 will continue to dominate, but more because of brand loyalty, blue-ray(for me), and most importantly-"backwards compatibility"! This is a factor thats being highly overlooked. With prices the way that they are, it seems such a waste to have to discard all my old games! Say what you want about Sony, atleast they did not abandon gamers of PSX, OR PS2! Because of these things and more I beleive the PS3 will be successful, but remember this is just speculation, and no one really knows how this will turn out! Even the guy in the article!

[TheMART]

What is he saying exactly?

1. MS didn't had it devkits available on E3 2005 for getting up to the launch in November. Sony had it's devkits this E3 for launch in November. Yeah right if you delay it's ready lateron for sure. Is that positive? Well I guess it could be for launch games although I don't see it back in footage

"Developers did not have finished Xbox 360 hardware last year at E3. So Sony's actually maybe in a better place vis-a-vis Microsoft in relation to launch."

Furthermore, he just says about the console nothing more then it's in a good spot. The 360 according to Epic is also in a good spot. They are producing for both consoles and probably never will say it's bad. Even better it's said all along: on graphics the consoles are close.

"I think Sony's in a good spot with the PlayStation 3," he added. "I know we're getting some great results with it back at our house, so I would expect other developers will be as well."

The most important and real news in this read was for me the following:

"[The E3 demo] was using our single-threaded rendered. We have our new Gemini multi-threaded rendered working in the engine right now," Rein explained. "The final game's built on it, it gives us better frame rates and more fluidity - UT 2007 will also benefit from it. It only gets better from here. So if you were impressed with Gears of War at E3, the finished game's going to be much better, it's going to be spectacular."

Damn so it ran single threaded and already was that good? Whow whow whow gimme that game

[Jay da 2KBalla]

"You know you'll be missing some MGS4, new Ratchet and Clank, Killzone PS3, and Warhawk, right? :"

True warhawk might be good but I think ratchet and clank is for kids and besides I always get it confused with that Jak and Daxter game. Theys seem so similar. Killzone PS3? Sorry but you cant play movies. And I take back what I said about resistance. I mean it loks good but I just remembered COD3 and Brothers in Arms: Hells Highway but if they dont support 40 players online then I might want resistance for multiplayer is the main reason I want to play it. MGS4 looked stupid. I mean the graphics were good but wtf? Why is snake out in the open? Whats with that. Also to zypher- The price is a reason to bash the ps3 for its games arent 100-200 dollars better especially at launch and considering how reliant sony is on the ps3, I wouldnt expect a price drop anytime soon and with games costing more than 60 dollars I just dont think its my cup of tea. So yes it is a reason to bash the console for the games dont warrant the price at least in my opinion. I mean just 2-3 games dont do it.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Gears of WAr was never supposed to come out during the launch window.

[DJ]

Full PS1 backwards compatibility
Full PS2 backwards compatibility
CD playback
DVD playback
Blu-Ray playback
Bluetooth wireless controllers (up to 7 wireless devices, such as headsets, keyboards)
Gigabit Ethernet port.
4 USB ports.
Optical output for audio sound systems.
Touch-sensitive power/slot controls.
1080p resolution
Free internet (which includes a web browser, text and video chat, multiplayer, ranking, downloadable trailers, demos, game content, and much more.)
Ability to store music, movies, photos, and games on its built-in 20 Gigabyte hard drive.
And best of all, the ability to play PS3 games.
-----
For another $100 ->
HDMI output (yet another way to get 1080p)
Wireless Internet
SD slot
Compact Flash slot
Memory Stick slot
Chrome Finish
60 Gigabyte hard drive.
----------------------

Consumers who buy the $500 version can upgrade anything they choose to since PS3 supports any devices plugged into its 4 USB ports, such as wireless internet routers, Memory Stick and SD card inputs, USB thumb drives, etc. 1080p is supported through both AV component and HDMI (The difference is negligible since it's the same resolution). Sony has changed their strategy and doesn't want consumers to feel forced to buy propreitery devices only made by Sony, which is why they can walk into any electronics store and buy addons should they feel necessary to do so. (honestly though, how many people actually need Memory Stick, SD card, and Compact Flash inputs?)

Best of all, the PS3 hard drive can be replaced with any standard 2.5" SATA format hard drive, regardless of storage capacity or brand. While Microsoft charges $100 for their 20-gig hard drives, a Western Digital 2.5" hard drive with 80 Gigabyte capacity retails for $95. Sony has thus given its consumers the ultimate level of choice at a very competitive price.

[THELANDSOFSAND]

touch sensitive power controls?

whoa, it's so advanced that when you press 'off/on' it actually turns it on and off!

OMG

the power of the cell is staggering

[DJ]

Instead of a physical button, it senses the heat from your finger. Sony went with slot-loading drives to combat piracy (long electronics explanation) and to avoid warranty problems that disc trays had last generation (the gears on them break too easily, etc). It's a nifty little feature. Not necessary, but it's for the benefit of consumers. =)

[CAPS LOCK]

2-3 games dont do it? ur right but the ps3 would have more games at luanch look

The list is formated with the PS3 game followed by the game's developer.

6Gun 2 - BattleBorne Entertainment
Avalon - Climax Studios
Dark Sector - Digital Extreme
The Darkness - Starbreeze Studios
Devil May Cry 4 - Capcom
EA Sports Fight Night Round 3 - EA Chicago
Eyedentify - TBA
Fifth Phantom Saga - Sonic Team
Final Fantasy PS3 - Square Enix
Formula One PS3 - SCE Studios Liverpool
The Getaway PS3 - SCE Studios Soho
Heavenly Sword - Ninja Theory
I-8 - Insomniac Games
Infraworld - Quantic Dream
Killing Day - TBA
Killzone PS3 - Guerilla Games
Metal Gear Solid 4 - Kojima Productions
Mobile Suit Gundam - TBA
MotorStorm - Evolution Studios
Ni-Oh - KOEI
Omikron 2 - Quantic Dream
Possession - Blitz Games
Project Delta - Playlogic International
ShadowClan - Tiger Hill Entertainment
Tekken PS3 - Namco
Vision GT - Polyphony Digital
Warhawk PS3 - Incognito Entertainment

and heres the proof before u start getting angry http://playstation.about.co...

[THELANDSOFSAND]

these aren't launch games.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Land of sand is right. They arent. Phil Harrison said it himself that killzone was never meant to be a launch title. And MGS4 is slated for a Q42007 release. Only a few of those games are launch titles. And I'm pretty sure that article is pretty outdated since it listed resistance as I-8.

[jiggajayp]

You sound stupid because almost all of the games listed are not in any sense launch titles and that`s a fact!!!

[CAPS LOCK]

huh y not i read the article again and it said they where just follow the link its not too difficult.

[Cyclonus]

Out of that whole list....

6Gun 2 - BattleBorne Entertainment
Avalon - Climax Studios
Dark Sector - Digital Extreme
The Darkness - Starbreeze Studios
Devil May Cry 4 - Capcom
EA Sports Fight Night Round 3 - EA Chicago
Eyedentify - TBA
Fifth Phantom Saga - Sonic Team
Final Fantasy PS3 - Square Enix
Formula One PS3 - SCE Studios Liverpool
The Getaway PS3 - SCE Studios Soho
Heavenly Sword - Ninja Theory
I-8 - Insomniac Games
Infraworld - Quantic Dream
Killing Day - TBA
Killzone PS3 - Guerilla Games
Metal Gear Solid 4 - Kojima Productions
Mobile Suit Gundam - TBA
MotorStorm - Evolution Studios
Ni-Oh - KOEI
Omikron 2 - Quantic Dream
Possession - Blitz Games
Project Delta - Playlogic International
ShadowClan - Tiger Hill Entertainment
Tekken PS3 - Namco
Vision GT - Polyphony Digital
Warhawk PS3 - Incognito Entertainment

..exactly 5 of those are Launch titles:

Formula One

Warhawk

1-8 aka Resistance

Gundam

[Jay da 2KBalla]

and Gundam is coming out for the 360 under the name Mobile Ops.

[CAPS LOCK]

i am not calling u a lier...actually i am provide a link god damit!!!

[Cyclonus]

here:
http://www.gamespot.com/pag...
1. Warhawk
2. Resistance
3. Strangle hold
4. Fatal Inertia
5. Tony Hawks
6. Fight Night R3
7. Rainbow Six: Vagas
8. NBA Live 07
9. Tiger Woods PGA Tour
10. Marvel: Ultimate Alliance Developer Interview(4:52)
11. Ridge Racer 7
12. Madden 07
13. Call of Duty 3
14. Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom Developer Interview
15. Bladestorm: The 100 year War
16. Sonic The Hedgehog
17. NHL 2K7
18. WWE SmackDown Vs Raw 2007--CANCELLED
19. Flow (PS3 Hub download)
20. Full Auto 2
Launch Window Q1(Jan 07 - March 07)
Assassin's Creed
Medal of Honor
Half-Life 2
Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway
Monster Madness

[sparco]

If someone gave me that list and said "look at whats coming out on the ps3, u must get one" I would just say I can get most of those on the 360. Thats one of the many reasons (in my opinion) why i wont be getting a ps3 straight away for that price.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Land of sand is right as well as cyclonus. They arent. Phil Harrison said it himself that killzone was never meant to be a launch title. And MGS4 is slated for a Q42007 release. Only a few of those games are launch titles. And I'm pretty sure that article is pretty outdated since it listed resistance as I-8.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

And by the way resistance fall of man was called I-8 back at E3 2005.

note the 5.

[CAPS LOCK]

jay and most of them are good

[Jay da 2KBalla]

no. Quality over quantity. I never said that all ps3 was going to launch with was 2-3 games. I said the good ones number about 2-3 games in my opinion. Warhawk and Hevenly Sword. I also said resistance but that was until I remembered COD3 and Brothers In Arms so Idont think resistance will be good unless COD3 and BIA are only like 24 players compared to Resistances 40 cuz i really wanted to play resistance for the multiplayer. So like I said 2-3 good 60+ games do not justify a console that is 100-200 dollars more and most of those games besides the 3 I mentioned will be on the 360.

[jiggajayp]

Please, we all know that almost all of those games are not gonna make launch!!! Also, they have had ps3 dev kits for a very long time now!!! They just haven`t had the final dev kits for a significant amount of time! XBOX 360 and the ps3 have been in dev for the same amount of time!!! Sony`s system was far more buggy and is too hard to code and that`s the only reason it isn`t out allready!!!

[DJ]

But buggy? Hard to code? You can program the PS3 in C, C++, C#, Assembly, it doesn't matter. In fact, most PS3 developers are writing all their code in C, the same language that 360 games are written in. The horrible truth is that the 360 is slightly harder to program due to several architectural flaws that have to do with the CPU and system bandwidth, as well as the fact that they hooked up GPU memory to a CPU. Unified Memory isn't the great wonder that Microsoft spins it, and there's a very big reason Sony gave Cell and RSX their own dedicated memory.
PS3----------------
CPUs need to access small random chunks of memory very quickly, and thus require low-latency memory. But since Cell also requires high-bandwidth as well, Sony licensed Rambus's XDR Ram, which operates at 3.2 Ghz. This way the SPEs are always constantly feeding on data, and luckily have RAM that can keep up with their needs.

GPUs need a lot of bandwidth, but only take large chunks of data and have periods of wait time where the processor analyzes and renders sections of a frame. Thus, high-latency is fine, and GDDR-3 is used.

360----------
Uses GDDR-3 for the entire system, and shares it between the CPU and GPU. In fact, in order for the Cores in Xenon to access RAM, they need to talk THROUGH the GPU, on top of all the processes and system bandwidth being used up. With the latency of GDDR-3, the CPU spends a lot of time doing nothing, waiting for the necessary data to travel to it. Worse yet, the three cores utilize the same Cache and it's very easy for one processor to accidentally write over another processor's data, thus screwing up and sometimes crashing entire programs. If you watch the E3 video of Too Human, you can see this problem in motion where the processors basically argue over what's supposed to be going on (enemies will float in the air for extended periods, and even ones who land on the ground will teleport back up into the air). Download the video review of NCAA football (360 version) on IGN.com and you can see random glitches where people teleport for no reason. The solution to this problem is to lock the cache; the downside is that it takes a lot of time to allocate this kind of programming.

Cell's 8 cores all have independent cache/local storage, so programmers on PS3 will never deal with this problem, thus making their lives easier. The best part about the PS3 architecture is that the CPU and GPU communicate over a 35 Gb/s connection (twice the speed of the 360) and can look at each other's memory. In fact, it's not limited to 256 Mb of texture memory since textures can be stored in the CPU memory. Add in the fact that the Cell can build, texture, and render geometry and suddenly you have two GPUs working together. It's great stuff, and there's even more great things about the PS3 architecture I could talk about. I just wanted to clear up that small issue. =)

[Marriot VP]

sorry DJ, I'm gonna believe every developer along with John Carmack that says the 360 is much easier to develop for.

[DJ]

The level of understanding needed for SPEs is a lot higher than PowerPC since they're an evolved form of the Emotion Engine (ps2) and require knowledge of SIMD/vector code. It takes a lot of engineering skills to program the PS3 to maximum efficiency. But Cell will run badly-written code just fine. Even if you write single-threaded code, the SPEs automatically allocate their resources and split up the tasks. Not as great performance-wise, but the games will still run without a hitch.

Xenon has an easier entry level sinc PowerPCs have been around for a while, but as I said, it's those glaring problems that are holding 360 developers back right now. Gears of War only recently got up to 20 frames per second, and it took a lot of time to fix the Unreal Engine 3 so that it could render properly on the PS3 and 360 architecture. Hopefully Microsoft (being a software company) comes up with some solutions on the CPU side in order to help their developers. Unfortunately, the system bandwidth and Ram problems are permanent. The reason ED-RAM was created in the first place is because the system bandwidth was so low; they didn't want z-buffering and bandwidth heavy things getting in the way of that 16 Gb/s connection (8gb/s for CPU, 8gb/s for GPU, depending how you allocate). Sadly, Microsoft didn't absorb much cost and only put 10 Mb of ED-Ram into the GPU. Games that render in 720p however have to split those frames up since full frames don't fit in those 10Mb. If the 360 rendered in 1080p, the ED-Ram would need to be at least 30 Mb. Thus, system bandwidth suffers.

Here's an interesting link that shows developers comparing the pros and cons of the PS3 and 360 GPUs.

http://www.beyond3d.com/for...

* The RAM bandwidth of Xbox 360 GPU is almost equal to RADEON X1600 XT and shared with CPU by UMA.
* Without the eDRAM pixel processor doing 4xMSAA, the fillrate of the GPU core itself is 4 billion texel/sec and almost equal to GeForce 7600 GT.
* While the Xbox 360 has a 3.5 times broader bandwidth than the original Xbox, 720p pixels require a 3 times broader memory bandwidth. It leaves only 0.5 times headroom which is insufficient for multiple texture lookups by complex shaders.
* eDRAM is implemented to mitigate the impact of the low memory bandwidth. But FP10 + 2xMSAA requires Predicated Tiling.
* Tile rendering has many performance demerits.
o In games with many chracters like N3 the cost of overlapped geometry grows large unless LOD is implemented.
o Lens effect, refraction, HDR effects such as bloom and glare, and other frame buffer filtering cause overlapped drawing near tile boundaries.
o Objects that cross boundaries can't use the cache efficiently.
o CPU L2 cache locking is practically unusable.
* Since textures are stored in the shared 512MB RAM, regardless of the eDRAM size or use of tile rendering, texture lookup consumes the shared memory bandwidth. Normal mapping and shadow mapping require many texture lookups.
* So the last resort is to use Display Controller to upscale the image without using tile rendering, for example rendering FP10-32bit / 960*540 / 2xMSAA / 32bit Z (8MB).

[DJ]

The 360 GPU could've easily held it's own with the RSX, and even surpassed it when it came to frame buffers, but Microsoft didn't spend the money. =/

[Cyclonus]

EPIC/MS is doing some kind of Viral Marketing Campaign right now; Someone with the Gamertag of "MFenix" is sendin out messages to select Live members.

The Message says: We need your help. Can't talk now. Don't know who to trust. Will send more tommorow."

If you send MFenix a Friend Request he/she will accept...I think it has something to do with that BIG announcement coming next week...here's some links:

http://gearsforums.epicgame...

Thread I started:
http://forum.teamxbox.com/s...

It's actually pretty cool. Try it! It's like ilovebees or HEX.

Even Mark Rein and CliffyB's in on it:

Mark Rein:
"I got other reports of this same thing happening today. I think you should wait until tomorrow and see if this MFenix character, whoever it is, sends you another post. If he does please come back here and let us know what he says as soon as possible."

CliifyB:
"Not really sure what this is about... :P"

Pass it on...

[The Real Deal]

"[The E3 demo] was using our single-threaded rendered. We have our new Gemini multi-threaded rendered working in the engine right now," Rein explained. "The final game's built on it, it gives us better frame rates and more fluidity . It only gets better from here. So if you were impressed with Gears of War at E3, the finished game's going to be much better, it's going to be spectacular."

[THE TRUTH]

504 -
The Real Deal - 10 Hours ago
GUN, KING KONG, AMPED, NBA LIVE 06, OVER G FIGHTERS, MADDEN 06, THE OUFIT, TONY HAWK, RIDGE RACER, AND TOMB RAIDER

Blow away any game coming out for the ps3. All those games mentioned ps3 can't even handle. So if you think those games suck. lol...wait to you get a load of the ps3 games. lol.... Once again ps3 will have the same launch as ps2. Games rated at 4 and 5's. lol...pure pitiful. lol.....Don't be upset because 360 games are getting Great, and Outstanding ratings. lol..... Your jealousy is very obvious. lol
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Who would believe anything you post? Your a fanboy of worst kind!! GET A LIFE!!

[The Real Deal]

Your jealousy is very obvious. lol

[TheMART]

Hey Untruth you stupid ars, he is quoting Mark Rein, from Epic games who tells this. It's no opinion mate.

These are fact's. GoW already looked mindblowing but with this news on top of that... Killer app for selling systems this Christmas!

[DJ]

It's great that the PS3 and PC gamers are going to see the benefits of this new rendering system as well. =]

[FeralPhoenix]

I agree with most of your post, I think too many fanboys have tunnel vision "PS3 sucks XBox Rocks" or "Xbox 1.5 vs PS3 Rules" or whatever....its really old, I think its good to share your opinion for your preferred console but when "fanboys" just come to bash then well...their comments carry no weight. I do disagree with a few of your statements like:
"I gave a reason for xbox 360 fans to purchase a PS3 and feel that PS3 fans are more gamers at heart than. They often talk more about the games than how powerful their system is compare to another." I read alot of the posts and PS3 fanboys are more often talking about how more powerful the PS3 is compared to the 360 especialy when the early specs were released its well known that PS3 is suppose to have better peak performance, its only been recently that some dev's have praised the 360 for development, that xbox fanboys have started bragging about its 3 cores, 6 threads...blah blah and saying PS3 is too hard to program/develop for....blah blah. Yes, 360 may be easier for dev's and cost less but I don't see it hurting PS3 too much.
_____________________________ ________________________
Also I disagree with your statements about Blu-ray vs HD DVD, because while betamax might have been a little better than VHS it still didn't offer any significant quality advantage over the VHS format but it was alot more expensive...thats the main reason it failed, not that consumers won't pay more for a quality product but there has to be a significant quality=cost ratio, in other words the higher quality/benefits has to warrant the a higher cost. Im old enough so I remember that initialy
vhs and betamax had about the same amount of studio support you could get most movies on either format, but VHS took off because the consumers decided very quickly that a VCR was just as good as a betamax player but only more affordable so they bought VCR's and VHS movies....it wasnt even a war, it was over before it started, and of course Hollywood just went with the winner. Now my point to all this is it doesn't matter if Blu-ray has the majority support, if consumers go to their local electronics store and see that the picture quality is basicly identical (I have perfect 20/20 vision and I've watch them both on the same TV, same hookup and guess what they look identical) and despite storage capacity the quality/benefits are relatively the same, but Blu-ray is almost double the price.....so we'll just have to wait and see....either way I dont think this will have a clear winner anytime soon like VHS and Betamax because DVD's are still very popular and by comparison the movie quality doesn't blow you away, its more like cool that looks good, oh wait it costs how much?, OK maybe later, wheres the DVD section? Even in your own post you contradict yourself about this point first you say:
"In comparison, even if HD-DVD does prove to be the better format (the verdict is still out really need a year to determine which is truly better)"

then you go on to say:
"So, we can bicker all we want but Blu-ray camp and Sony did the butt kissing this time and will become the format of choice - regardless of who has the better picture quality."
So which is it you don't know or you already know blu-ray has won?
Again, no matter what you or I think, history says that the consumer is always right...so Im not saying Blu-ray will or will not be the next standard format, not even PS3 can change that...ultimately the everyday average consumer will decide. BTW theres alot of talk in the industry about dual HD DVD and Blu-ray players....dammm go figure!

[The Real Deal]

Given how the Xbox 360 turned out, did you have any regret about not winning the graphics
chip for that console?

Not at all. We could not afford to build the graphics for the 360. Our most important asset is our people. We were a lot smaller company than ATI at the time. Maybe ATI could afford it and we couldn't. I know I couldn't afford it. I would love to build it. I just can't afford it.

So basically nvidia would have loved to but Microsoft expects way too much from its video card maker....it expects cutting edge graphics with unique features. Not a video card like the ones nvidia released a year ago...Nvidia couldn't afford that. But they would have loved to. ATI is a bigger company with more resourses to be able to do what MS expects. Its all said in Nvidia words...interesting indeed. Nuff Said folks. I'm the real deal...I post facts. If they go against what sony fans believe...its not my fault. Nvidia said it. Not me. In the whole article the only thing they had to say in regards to the ps3 and the 360 that favored the ps3 was the fact that Sony added the blu ray player included. Lol....OKAY. Nvidia stick to graphics annalyst please. Blu ray is media storage and movie playback advantage. Not graphics. Thats why sony is using your nvidia 6800 card for. lol....
http://blogs.mercurynews.co...

[THE TRUTH]

504 -
The Real Deal - 10 Hours ago
GUN, KING KONG, AMPED, NBA LIVE 06, OVER G FIGHTERS, MADDEN 06, THE OUFIT, TONY HAWK, RIDGE RACER, AND TOMB RAIDER

Blow away any game coming out for the ps3. All those games mentioned ps3 can't even handle. So if you think those games suck. lol...wait to you get a load of the ps3 games. lol.... Once again ps3 will have the same launch as ps2. Games rated at 4 and 5's. lol...pure pitiful. lol.....Don't be upset because 360 games are getting Great, and Outstanding ratings. lol..... Your jealousy is very obvious. lol
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[The Real Deal]

Your jealousy is very obvious. lol

[The Real Deal]

According to the Digitimes article, Microsoft wants to "maximize the [Xbox 360's] price competitiveness" when the PlayStation 3 launches for $499 and $599 this November. In the future, the report reads, Microsoft hopes to offer the Xbox 360 and an HD-DVD add-on for "under US $399." The PS3, meanwhile, is scheduled to ship for $499 and $599.

http://gamepro.com/news.cfm...

[THE TRUTH]

504 -
The Real Deal - 10 Hours ago
GUN, KING KONG, AMPED, NBA LIVE 06, OVER G FIGHTERS, MADDEN 06, THE OUFIT, TONY HAWK, RIDGE RACER, AND TOMB RAIDER

Blow away any game coming out for the ps3. All those games mentioned ps3 can't even handle. So if you think those games suck. lol...wait to you get a load of the ps3 games. lol.... Once again ps3 will have the same launch as ps2. Games rated at 4 and 5's. lol...pure pitiful. lol.....Don't be upset because 360 games are getting Great, and Outstanding ratings. lol..... Your jealousy is very obvious. lol
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[The Real Deal]

Your jealousy is very obvious. lol

[The Real Deal]

Taiwanese OEM component makers are saying that Microsoft is planning to reduce the price of its premium-priced Xbox 360 model from $399 to $299 to combat the PlayStation 3 launch.

[THE TRUTH]

504 -
The Real Deal - 10 Hours ago
GUN, KING KONG, AMPED, NBA LIVE 06, OVER G FIGHTERS, MADDEN 06, THE OUFIT, TONY HAWK, RIDGE RACER, AND TOMB RAIDER

Blow away any game coming out for the ps3. All those games mentioned ps3 can't even handle. So if you think those games suck. lol...wait to you get a load of the ps3 games. lol.... Once again ps3 will have the same launch as ps2. Games rated at 4 and 5's. lol...pure pitiful. lol.....Don't be upset because 360 games are getting Great, and Outstanding ratings. lol..... Your jealousy is very obvious. lol
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[The Real Deal]

Your jealousy is very obvious. lol

[THE TRUTH]

CALL YOURSELF A GAMER OR "The Real Deal" anyone who makes such a ignorant and outrageous statement such as ---->

"231 - Now you say "who cares about reviews"...lol....

The Real Deal - 14 Hours ago
No matter what facts are documented if it doesn't support Sony you guys bash it. I can't even sleep without fanboys calling me names when I post facts. lol..... I have played and own every game for the 360. I personally would give every game no less than an 8 score. With most getting 9's"

Is full off complete and utter $HIT!!! Your telling me such games like GUN, KING KONG, AMPED, NBA LIVE 06, OVER G FIGHTERS, MADDEN 06, THE OUFIT, TONY HAWK, RIDGE RACER, AND TOMB RAIDER DESERVE 9'S? (not to mention those are just the games off the top of my head). I'm not at all saying 360 isn't a good console, I think it is and has really gotten better (with alot of room for improvement) , but that statement you make should make every "true gamer" just ignore every post you make for this day forward.

You honestly need to get your mind right!!! You are a fanboy of the worst kind, you listen to reviews from big sites and "use" them to support your "so-called" facts (which really are opinions). You listen to EVERY analysts that says ANYTHING bad about Sony regardless if the analysts is creditable or not. You are a complete joke and make it hard for people to come here and get news for the PS3.

My point in all this is not to ask you why you say these things but instead to ask YOU TO ASK YOURSELF WHY YOU SAY THESE THINGS? Look in the mirror and GET THE TRUTH AS TO WHY YOU EVEN FEEL THE NEED TO POST ON THESE FORUMS........

Post like these are not THE TRUTH, because this is not you----->

213 - I'm the Enforcer of Truth
The Real Deal - 25 Jul 2006 03:50
That should be my new name. The Enforcer of Truth. I'm not trying to convince people to buy the 360. I just want to make sure people are informed and don't lie on this site. Thats it. I'm the Real Deal. I'm the Enforcer of Truth.

Btw I have been away so I couldn't possibly respond to every ignorant post you made since I left (I DO have a LIFE) but all the spec's you felt so inclinded to copy/paste are BS if you really want to PROVE something at least have a understanding about what you are talking about! (same thing goes for The Mart) If you really want to know the true power of the CELL and what it is capable of then you need to do the proer research. 360 IS a great Next-Gen console, but it doesn't hold a stick to the POWER of Cell AND RSX ALONG WITH A NEXT GEN MEDIA DRIVE (CELL RSX AND BLU RAY work together so you have to pair them and get the WHOLE PICTURE). No one but SONY knows the official specs of the custom RSX inside PS3 and they HAVE NOT released the specs yet. We ONLY know about what was shown to us at E3 05 and I think it's fair to say that alot has changed since then. You say the PS3 cost to much... that's fine but think about the lifespan the PS3 WILL HAVE, I promise you it will be much longer than 360 (just like the PS2 have/has a much longer lifespan than the original xbox).

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "THE REAL DEAL" AND THE TRUTH IS----- I come up with my OWN opinions based on knowlegde I have researched to come up with an agruement and veiws that ARE MY OWN.

YOU LISTEN to "big" review sites (IGN, Gmaespot, Gamepro ect.) FOLLOW Uninformed and biased anyalyst, and BUY from unproven companies that rush products (consoles and games) to the market before they are "truly" ready for hardcore and casual gamers alike.

IF YOU DON'T GET IT YET I WILL SIMPLFY IT FOR YOU Sony is the LEADER IN THIS MARKET, M$ is the FOLLOWER and that's my opinion formed from the actions of both companies starting from the day M$ entered this sector!!

All the numbers and "so-called" anyalsyt will NEVER sway my opinios or justify what I believe to be THE TRUTH!

[The Real Deal]

Your jealousy is very obvious. lol

[The Real Deal]

The Truth is obsessed with me. lol...He seeks me out just to comment on me. A while back for the newbies...I busted him out in lies and he disappeared for a while. Then he changes his name and now he is the Truth. Once a lie always a lie. And now he follows my posts around and copies and pastes his comments about me over and over again. lol....I think he saw my myspace page and now he is obsessed. Dude...please get of my d1ck. I'm into girls only. I have a girl...and some to spare. You are borderline sick with your obsession with me. lol....click on his name and read his last 20 posts. They are all about me. lol...he follows me from article to article...lol...this site is about games. Its news4gamers. I'm not here to make groupies TRUTH. lol....

[superam]

i agree with the truth he has apoint
Real deal all u do is copy n paste u dont even know if those article is fake or has been reject by sony

keep this in ur mind those game at e3 r not d final kit n yet already the game looking really gud MGS4 , heavenly sword WoW

i dont get u xbox 360 fanboy if u think u got the next gen y ur not playing it

[TheMART]

How do you know? You don't own a 360 nor you're playing it.

Even better: how do you know PSZero is next gen? You've never played it, or even touched it. You haven't seen real games because Sony always uses plain CGI, or integrates CGI footage within the gameplay so it's hard to see what's real and what's video.

Video it can play well, but I don't need a videoplayer

I NEED A FREAKING GAME CONSOLE

and that's the 360

[superam]

PS3 U GET
-BLU RAY NEXT GEN DVD 1080P
-BUILT IN WIRELESS INTERNET
-NEXT GEN BLUTOOTH WIRELESS CON TROLER MOUSE KEYBOARD ETC....
-20 OR 60 HARDDRIVE UPGRADEBLE
-NEXT GEN HDMI 1.3
-NEXT GEN RSX+CELL MULTICORE GRAFIX
-NEXT GEN CPU CELL PROCESSOR BUILT IN PHYSIX
-ONLINE WIL BE FREE
PS3 IS NOT OUT YET IT SPEC CAN BE CHANGE
$499 4 20 GB 599 4 60 GB THIS S ALL IN ONE BOX NO ADD ON

XBOX 360 $399
- CURRENT DVD PLAYER ONLY PROGRESSIVE SCAN ADD ON HD DVD = $150 TO 200 IF BOUGHT
- NOT BUILT IN WIRELESS ETHERNET IF BOUGHT ADD $125
- CURRENT AV OUTPUT
- 20 GB LOL IS NOT EVEN 20GB IT 13GB 299 VERSION NO HARDRIVE N WIRED CONTROLLER
- XBOX LIVE 12 MONTH = $60
- 3 CORES CPU
- XENOX GRAFIX XBOX FANBOY SAYS ITS POWERFUL
IF U BOUGHT ALL THE ADD ON = ALMOST $800
PS3 IS JUST ONE BOX NO ADD ON = $599
ALSO U CAN USE UR PS3 AS A COMPUTER XBOX IS NOT

[sparco]

ps3 online will not be free. It will have two options like the xbox. A free service and a payed subscription service. Here are the xbox specs from a someone who is not a sony fanboy, nor an xbox one.

Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU

Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each
Two hardware threads per core; six hardware threads total
VMX-128 vector unit per core; three total
128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
1 MB L2 cache

CPU Game Math Performance:
9 billion dot product operations per second

Custom ATI Graphics Processor
500MHz processor
10 MB of embedded DRAM
48-way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines
Unified shader architecture

Polygon Performance:
500 million triangles per second

Pixel Fill Rate:
16 gigasamples per second fill rate using 4x MSAA

Shader Performance:
48 billion shader operations per second

Memory:
512 MB of GDDR3 RAM
700 MHz of DDR
Unified memory architecture

Memory Bandwidth:
22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
21.6 GB/s front-side bus

Overall System Floating-Point Performance:
1 teraflop

Storage:
Detachable and upgradeable 20GB hard drive
12x dual-layer DVD-ROM
Memory Unit support starting at 64 MB
I/O:

Support for up to four wireless game controllers
Three USB 2.0 ports
Two memory unit slots

Optimized for Online:
Instant, out-of-the-box access to Xbox Live features with broadband service, including Xbox Live Marketplace for downloadable content, gamer profile for digital identity, and voice chat to talk to friends while playing games, watching movies, or listening to music
Built-in Ethernet port
Wi-Fi ready: 802.11a, 802.11b, and 802.11g
Video camera ready

Digital Media Support:
Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG Photo CD
Ability to stream media from portable music devices, digital cameras and Windows XP-based PCs
Ability to rip music to the Xbox 360 hard drive
Custom playlists in every game
Built-in Media Center Extender for Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
Interactive, full-screen 3-D visualizers High-Definition Game Support * All games supported at 16:9, 720p, and 1080i, anti-aliasing
Standard-definition and high-definition video output supported

Audio:
Multi-channel surround sound output
Supports 48KHz 16-bit audio
320 independent decompression channels
32-bit audio processing
Over 256 audio channels
System Orientation:

Stands vertically or horizontally

Customizable Face Plates:
Interchangeable to personalize the console

[sparco]

Superam, reading your comparison/opinion has made me realise how much there really is in the ps3. In a way you are kinda right. I wouldnt say that the ps3 is more, or less, powerful than the 360, but what you get outa the box is pretty good. Might have to make changes to what im spending my money on this year. Im seriously thinking about getting a ps3 now.

[TheMART]

I don't want my games console to use as a computer. Therefore I have my desktops they are much more fun for doing computer things because I can upgrade whatever I want.

A GAMESCONSOLE NEEDS TO PLAY GAMES

Not to play video, because you'll do that in a better quality standalone player not in the sh*tty quality DVD drive of the PS2 nor the equally bad BetaBluRay player of the PS3.

I mean: I don't want to use the laser of my console for playing movies. Using the drive only for games, games, games. The way it survives longer for the PS3 for sure if you see Sony always using inferior media players.

[Aflac]

take a look at these analysis, they are base on how the sytem use their power, not on just their numbers, u will find the 360 actually is the more powerful gaming machine:

xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/ 617951p1.html ---xbox 360 proven superior to the ps3 through a detailed analysis based on HOW THE SYSTEMS WORK, not just their numbers (as if they had a court case and MS brought in the evidence to eliminate any reasonable doubt that the 360 is more powerful)

firingsquad.com/features/xbox _360_interview/ ---another detailed report proving the 360 superior to ps3

gamespot.com/news/2005/06/10/ news_6127350.html ---another report highlighting the 360’s superiority over ps3

smartcomputing.com/editorial/ article.asp?article=articles/ar chive/r1003/77r03/77r03.asp ---ps3 is unrefined

gamersreports.com/news/708/ ---360 gpu report

Take a look, dont get fooled into paying 200$ extra for a system somewhat less powerful than a 400$ system, the only reason ps3 is so expensive is because of bluray. I was fooled 5yrs ago into getting ps2, and I was very disappointed.

[sparco]

Im not at all being lured towards the ps3 because of numbers and hardware specs. i can clearly see that the 360 is better in terms of a gaming machine. But for some reason, somthing about the ps3 is making me want to buy it. i can also see that $600 is way too much for a games console (if i can call it that) I think its just MGS4. That would be th only reason for it.

[Aflac]

Let’s start with the new features not included with the original xbox:
1) live anywhere (pc's, cell phones, and 360's unite to make 100 million gamers connected)
2) First to use Standard wireless controller
3) Live Arcade games
Live Marketplace...free demos of just about every game so you can play before you buy it and in many cases play for months before a game even gets released, as well as movie trailers (and of course, game content downloads, but that’s not new).
4) Xbox live gamer pictures- respresent yourself with a picture
5) Video chat
6) Game invite...(you can be playing a game and when your friend is playing a different game you can send him and invite while you are playing and he can instantly join the game you are playing.
7) Sharing your pc files with your console to stream music and pictures to the system- play any music you want while playing games without using hdd space! This can also be done with ipods and other portable media devices.
8) Use the 360 as a Windows media center receiver! Watch HD movies and tv through your 360 by connecting it to a windows media center pc.
9) Xbox live diamond card- free to all users of xbox live- this program gives you far more than enough discounts to make up for the yearly $50 payment for xbox live over and over- NOT ONLY DOES THIS MAKE XBOX LIVE FREE, BUT MAKES THE SERVICE SAVE YOU $$$! For example: offers such as $20 off of theme park visits, rent 1 rent another free at movie gallery, save 10% on any target.com purchase…the list goes on forever!

[FeralPhoenix]

I think theRealDeal and Truth both have some valid points, theRealDeal maybe overstates some of his opinions as facts sometimes, but he does provide links that generaly go along with what he says, so I have to ask...Whats wrong with copy and pasting links that you believe support your point of view and Superam why do you think the links are fake? I have read most of the links on valid sites like IGN...so Truth whats wrong with "big" sites like IGN?....they are just one source of many different videogame news sources...as gamers we should take almost any review or commentary from analysts with a grain of salt...that doesn't mean they are lying or we cant trust them, in general I think most people would like the games they recommend but as gamers we all have different tastes so you may think some of the games that got great reviews in your opinion are terrible or whatever. Assuming that they are paid off or that they don't know what they are talking about or in your words Truth "uninformed" is kind of ridiculous because like it or not these guys get paid to play games for a living and have unlimited access to games and most of them have alot of knowledge of the industry....if they did business by continously over-rating games then they would lose all their creditability, hence the site wouldn't be profitable as it is....they make money because fans believe their recommendations and generaly agree after buying games they've backed, yes sometimes their wrong (if opinions are wrong)and of course there is some bias going on, but blindly hyping bad games over and over again would be just very bad business. Also Truth you contradict yourself a lean towards "fanboism" when you say:
"360 IS a great Next-Gen console, but it doesn't hold a stick to the POWER of Cell AND RSX ALONG WITH A NEXT GEN MEDIA DRIVE (CELL RSX AND BLU RAY work together so you have to pair them and get the WHOLE PICTURE)."
It can't be a "Great next gen console" if the PS3 is so vastly superior to the 360 as you make it sound....which is a silly statement when you consider every non-bias source says that they both are about the same, yes the PS3 is considered to have more raw performance but anybody that says "this game is impossible to do on 360" or "this is impossible to make on the PS3" is fooling themselves or totaly biased. Now if you say that you "think" the PS3 is better because it has Blu-ray, well then I would say that is a good point and "maybe" you're right but its too early to know if that turns out to be the case. Also calling M$:
"unproven companies that rush products (consoles and games) to the market before they are "truly" ready for hardcore and casual gamers alike."
I understand this might be your opinion but it doesn't make alot of sense since
1. M$ is far from an unproven company. lol
2. How is it rushed when even You said it was a "great" next gen console.
3. You don't sell 5 million consoles so quickly if its not good, yeah maybe the hype might fool the 1st 2 million hardcore gamers that got it first but the rest wouldn't have bought it if they didn't like what they saw so far.
Now I do agree with Truth about those 360 games listed in your post above they could have been alot better,(my opinion) however most of them are launch games and I think the dev's should have done a better job...dont say they didn't have time because COD 2 was...still is badass and if they needed more time they could have delayed them until they were ready, I think they were just greedy to make a quick buck (my opinion). Im not bashing the PS3 or the 360, although I do admit I get more pissed off with some of Sonys tactics. I think that its just easier to bash the 360 because its the only one out right now, so people can actually see what it has to offer, nit pick and point out the weak games or flaws, but trust me PS3 will have its share of "bad" games all consoles do, but that will be the dev's fault not Sony.
So my point to all this is the hardware is not the determining factor (about equal) unless you favor things like M$'s online service or if you think Sony hit the jackpot with Blu-ray but the really big difference will be in exclusive games like MGS4 and Gears of War for example...thats about it, so the question comes down to which exclusives do you want to play more? or can you afford both?..fortunately for me (and many other gamers) the answer is hell yeah! BTW....there will be alot less exclusive games this gen...I have a suspicion that alot of so called exclusive will eventually hit both consoles....its already started.

[FeralPhoenix]

I think theRealDeal and Truth both have some valid points, theRealDeal maybe overstates some of his opinions as facts sometimes, but he does provide links that generaly go along with what he says, so I have to ask...Whats wrong with copy and pasting links that you believe support your point of view and Superam why do you think the links are fake? I have read most of the links on valid sites like IGN...so Truth whats wrong with "big" sites like IGN?....they are just one source of many different videogame news sources...as gamers we should take almost any review or commentary from analysts with a grain of salt...that doesn't mean they are lying or we cant trust them, in general I think most people would like the games they recommend but as gamers we all have different tastes so you may think some of the games that got great reviews in your opinion are terrible or whatever. Assuming that they are paid off or that they don't know what they are talking about or in your words Truth "uninformed" is kind of ridiculous because like it or not these guys get paid to play games for a living and have unlimited access to games and most of them have alot of knowledge of the industry....if they did business by continously over-rating games then they would lose all their creditability, hence the site wouldn't be profitable as it is....they make money because fans believe their recommendations and generaly agree after buying games they've backed, yes sometimes their wrong (if opinions are wrong)and of course there is some bias going on, but blindly hyping bad games over and over again would be just very bad business. Also Truth you contradict yourself a lean towards "fanboism" when you say:
"360 IS a great Next-Gen console, but it doesn't hold a stick to the POWER of Cell AND RSX ALONG WITH A NEXT GEN MEDIA DRIVE (CELL RSX AND BLU RAY work together so you have to pair them and get the WHOLE PICTURE)."
It can't be a "Great next gen console" if the PS3 is so vastly superior to the 360 as you make it sound....which is a silly statement when you consider every non-bias source says that they both are about the same, yes the PS3 is considered to have more raw performance but anybody that says "this game is impossible to do on 360" or "this is impossible to make on the PS3" is fooling themselves or totaly biased. Now if you say that you "think" the PS3 is better because it has Blu-ray, well then I would say that is a good point and "maybe" you're right but its too early to know if that turns out to be the case. Also calling M$:
"unproven companies that rush products (consoles and games) to the market before they are "truly" ready for hardcore and casual gamers alike."
I understand this might be your opinion but it doesn't make alot of sense since
1. M$ is far from an unproven company. lol
2. How is it rushed when even You said it was a "great" next gen console.
3. You don't sell 5 million consoles so quickly if its not good, yeah maybe the hype might fool the 1st 2 million hardcore gamers that got it first but the rest wouldn't have bought it if they didn't like what they saw so far.
Now I do agree with Truth about those 360 games listed in your post above they could have been alot better,(my opinion) however most of them are launch games and I think the dev's should have done a better job...dont say they didn't have time because COD 2 was...still is badass and if they needed more time they could have delayed them until they were ready, I think they were just greedy to make a quick buck (my opinion). Im not bashing the PS3 or the 360, although I do admit I get more pissed off with some of Sonys tactics. I think that its just easier to bash the 360 because its the only one out right now, so people can actually see what it has to offer, nit pick and point out the weak games or flaws, but trust me PS3 will have its share of "bad" games all consoles do, but that will be the dev's fault not Sony.
So my point to all this is the hardware is not the determining factor (about equal) unless you favor things like M$'s online service or if you think Sony hit the jackpot with Blu-ray but the really big difference will be in exclusive games like MGS4 and Gears of War for example...thats about it, so the question comes down to which exclusives do you want to play more? or can you afford both?..fortunately for me (and many other gamers) the answer is hell yeah! BTW....there will be alot less exclusive games this gen...I have a suspicion that alot of so called exclusive will eventually hit both consoles....its already started.

[FeralPhoenix]

damm double posted, my bad!

[jiggajayp]

Nuff said!!!

[PS360PCROCKS]

yawn...quit fighting all, ps3 has more time for devs we all knew this, quit acting like this is news

[SDS Overfiend]

Someone feels crunchy inside.

[PS3 Owns All]

I just started playing the first one on the superior original PlayStation and its AWESOME! And yeah, Valkyrie Profile 2 looks like 360 games and ITS only FOR the console that's STILL subsittuting for the PS3, the PlayStation 2!

[Aflac]

nor the original. quite ur retarded lies. pdz has the worst character models for nexgen, but theyr still over 12x as good as any ps2 game chatacter models. all other animation in pdz is quite brilliant.