Alan Wake cinematics are all separate pre-rendered video files

Alan Wake developers respond to the in-game graphics debate:
"The actual cinematics are all separate pre-rendered video files. We do have some sequences where we do what I guess could be called real-time cutscenes (like the "reveal camera" moments, for example), but percentagewise, those are definitely in the minority.

All of the cinematics have been rendered by our game engine, though. It's just that we use more high-resolution models because the camera tends to be a lot closer to the characters than during gameplay, and we throw in a bunch of post-processing to make things look very pretty."

[Gradient]

Ah, there goes the whole "amazing graphics" argument.

[Simon_Brezhnev]

basically but we're going to get a million disagrees now

[Hideo_Kojima]

Did any of this games have pre rendered cut scenes?
Uncharted 2
MGS4
Killzone 2

Or was everything in-game like in God of War 3

Just wanted to know....
because they look great anyway and pretty close to the in game graphics.

Edit: Oh ok thanks guys so some of the games have pre rendered cinematics but they are exact copies...

I wouldn't see anything bad with GG for example using pre rendered graphics to add extra explosions etc it would only have added even more to the visuals as long as the models are kept the same when they change the models it looks odd.

[Danja]

wasn't this done in FF13 ...just using it as example ... this shouldn't be a surprise and most people except for the deluded fanboys , would know the actual gameplay wouldn't look nothing like the trailer..

lets just hope the game is good... even though Remedy has never disappointe

[blitz0623]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't most cinematics supposed to be using higher resolution than actual in-game graphics?

I thought people already knew that the in-game graphics of the game won't be as good as that amazing graphical trailer that was just released? Only idiots would think otherwise.

The only games that I have a hard time distinguishing CG from in-game are mostly PS3 exclusives.

[sayonara89]

Guntrol: MGS4 has real time cinematics, same for Killzone 2. In God of War 3 most cinematics are real time but some are prerendered. Uncharted 2 uses almost only prerendered cinemaics, just like Alan Wake.

[M337ING]

Uncharted 2 definitely had some pre-rendered cutscenes, its why there was a slight pause between the in-game gameplay and some of the better looking cutscenes. I think MGS4 had pre-rendered cutscenes as well. However, I'm pretty sure that, with the exception of the introduction cutscene, all of Killzone 2 was in-game.

[Dnied]

Yes, there are prerendered cutscenes in those games, but thats exactly what they were.

Especially god of war, nothing was "enhanced" visually, so what you see in the videos were literally how the game looked. the only reason they were prerendered was to save space and allow for loading in the background so the player wasn't interupted by loading screens.

The developers stated themselves that they felt the game looked good enough (which it does) that they didn't need to enhance anything. They felt it helped the immersion more by creating an entire game with the same visuals from start to finish.

IMO, not to be a jackass or anything but I hope this shuts a lot of xbox fanboys up because they were REALLY starting to get annoying in all those articles.

/sigh

[mrv321]

There's two ways this could work.

In-game but with higher res, basically it's using the in-game engine running in real time but at 100% because it doesn't have to work around user controls, much like BC2 for example.

In-game but done off location, what this means is that they used the in-game engine but ran it off screen most likely on PC running at 16AA and what ever they could pump out, they record the output, and dump it onto disc.

[koehler83]

@The Noctis Twins

Yeah FFXIII and many other games use all different models and prerendered movies. All games from previous generations did this. Whether it's a good or bad thing will ultimately depend on the cutscenes themselves. If they're so epic and grand that no engine could contain the action, they'll be forgiven. FFXIII used it as a reason to go 1080p, I'm cool with that. However if they default to CGI because they felt their in-game assets didn't measure up to their vision, that'd be a shame. Anyone can do anything they want in CGI, it's not a huge challenge and definitely not pushing the specs of the hardware. So they'll just have to make sure what's in-game and real-time is as awesome as everyone anticipates.

[Icyhot]

Games use in-engine pre rendered cut scenes mainly to mask the loading screen.

MGS4 used ingame cutscenes in fact you move MKII in a few scenes even interact with snake...
KZ2 uses ingame cutscenes expect for a few shots.
GOW3 uses mostly ingame cutscenes and few pre rendered.
UC2 uses pre rendered cut scene only to mask the loading screen.

In fact UC2 was first shown with ingame cinematic and later it was changed to pre-rendered only to hide the load screen. There was hardly any difference. As the poly count and AA stayed the same.

In Alan Wake's case, I even pointed out yesterday that gameplay looks downgraded as compared to the cut-scenes and it was evident in the trailer. I was shot down back then, but just read the comment by the dev himself...

"All of the cinematics have been rendered by our game engine, though. It's just that we use more high-resolution models because the camera tends to be a lot closer to the characters than during gameplay, and we throw in a bunch of post-processing to make things look very pretty."

This is why everything looked SO GOOD yesterday. Not dissing it, it still looks great, but still I prefer GOW3 style scenes where the engine loads the scene on the fly and there is no sudden upgrade or downgrade in the cinematic cutscene and gameplay. It's my preference, I even know some who prefer CGI cutscenes as it looks really pretty... Depends on choice, but I prefer a seamless transition.

[Kamikaze135]

Yeah, but the difference being that the pre-rendered models in those games looks just like the characters using the in game engine. The reason for those is to pull of all of those fancy stunts...not to make the character look better graphically. God of War 3 did this as well. The developers mentioned using TONS of pre-rendered scenes, though the transition between them and gameplay was seamless so people barely notice...there are even 5 second pre-rendered scenes that come and go fast.

[Dnied]

I thought the ff13 cutscenes were beautiful

I actually look forward to those in FF games, I think its a good thing... always nice to see what they can do in CG, its not like it takes away from their "skill" level, I think it lets them show exactly what their creative minds are imagining without being limited by hardware etc.

I dunno, its just become something i love about FF games..

[Greywulf]

All those other games you mentioned use the same assets, just with the engine on record for times where the engine would stutter with the FPS.

Alan Wake is using models you'll never see in gameplay, or textures.

Or Effects.

[rexus12345]

Is the employee talking about the trailer or cut-scenes? Because I believe the trailer was showing a lot of actually game play.
While pre-render and post process cut scenes is common practice, doing the same to trailers showing game play footages can be considered false advertising.

[alphakennybody]

this is too good to pass up,
http://n4g.com/NewsCom-5042...
some people were really holding on straws and beleived everything showned was all in-game and not rendered. Still the game looks better than most games the 360 churned out since last year.

if MS take the initiative to invest in more studios/games like this, then I may have a change of heart.Until then this alone isn't enough reason to get a 360.

[HolyOrangeCows]

"MikkiRMD said:
>>Omega said: 'I'm pretty sure it is an in-game model with some post processing effects'
Correct."
http://forum.alanwake.com/s...

Cool, Remedy. I'll trust you always }:v/
EDIT: For the disagrees, know that using a high resolution model vs in-game model isn't "post processing effects"

[sikbeta]

I don't going to say Anything cuz then some dudes call me Hypocrite and TROLL even IF there are Worst People here that Actually know Pretty Well How to Trøll , so:

[ To be FAIR, FF13 used pre-rendered CGI Videos and No-1 Complaint ]

Edit:

[ and SE did it with all the FF Games from Last Gen ]

I take FF series cuz are Huge Games with lot of Fans, so if the Fans don't Complain, there is no Problem...

[GiantEnemyCrab]

SURPRISE! Here come THE WORST in gaming to wave their "I told you so flags". Yes, you PS3 fanboys are the fukin worst period.

My comments on the graphics were based off of the POST FROM THE DEVELOPER himself.

It looks fantastic in every way. That's as much defense you will get from me on this because unless you are a fanboy or blind you cannot say this game doesn't look amazing!

- I don't usually take bubbles but I'm raping every freakin PS3 troll in this article.

@mal: Go back and play it again.. If you skip the cinematics you are treated to a spinning coin or dagger in the bottom left corner as it loads in UC/UC2.

@high def: As long as you tout BS like this: "But.....In NO way, shape or form does it have a graphical fidelity of ANY of the big PS3 only titles." You deserve to be in the group I mentioned. UC2, KZ2, GoW3 are 3 titles that look amazing and I agree are the graphics king atm but everything else, including all the other big PS3 titles are matched and in many cases exceeded.

Yup, PS3 army rack up the disagrees. That is all you do!

[HighDefinition]

It`s not a PS3 Exclusive.

Cmon, it looks great and I`m buying it. But.....In NO way, shape or form does it have a graphical fidelity of ANY of the big PS3 only titles.

If you think differently, your mind is playing tricks on you.

Edit:

@crab

Relax, your way to quick to label entire groups of people. Some people say stupid sh!t. You know this, you like I have been here for years.

[mal_tez92]

U2 cutscenes are not there to cover up loading. If you get to a cutscene and skip it as soon as it starts, then you return to the game immediately without seeing a loading screen, just like in Drake's Fortune.

And whoever said MGS4 cutscenes were prerendered is wrong. The cutscenes depict snake in whatever colour his octocamo last was; you can even interact with the cutscenes by shaking the controller, which will return his suit colour back to the deafult.

[WhittO]

Cant wait to see what the screen shots of ACTUAL in-game footage looks like.

This game looks good, but if there is a noticeable difference between cutscene and gameplay, it will take away from what I thought the game would be like.

[eagle21]

360 maxed out in 2006...LMAO :)

[Icyhot]

@mal... No UC2 does use Pre Rendered scene and if you skip a cut-scene, it starts to load. But it doesn't matter since the graphics stay the same in short the devs don't tweak by adding high poly count to character (Drake is the most poled (if that a word) character) or add a lot of post processing like more AA. Post processing usually refers to adding AA and/or dropping frame rate and bumping resolution ala FF13 cutscene.

@Crab.. Chill dude, it's only a game and a piece of plastic. Think of happy thoughts :)

[HighDefinition]

Sometimes I swear your brain shuts down temporarily.

"UC2, KZ2, GoW3 are 3 titles that look amazing and I agree are the graphics king atm"

Thank you.

They are.....and unfortunately Alan Wake doesn`t fit into that group. Even after all the YEARS they`ve had. It pretty obvious ATM the 360 can`t do games that look like that. ALL of the "kings" ATM (like you said) are only found on 1 system.

[kneon]

@Guntrol

Some cutscenes are prerendered in UC2, and some are not. You can often tell which are which by looking at whether Drake is still holding the same gun you had during game play. I suppose it could be partially pre-rendered with everything done ahead of time except Drake.

@Everyone else, this is why I always say to wait for the game play before praising or criticizing game graphics, and that goes for all platforms.

How good the cut scenes look will depend on how much effort and time the developers want to put in to them. Since they are rendered off console they could be photo-realistic if they really wanted to. But you don't see that as the developers don't want too drastic a quality difference between the cut scenes and the game. They want them to look good, but not too good.

[topdawg122]

Not surprised, not a big deal either. The game will still be good, but would have been more immersive if they blended together more seamlessly

[fr0sty]

Using the same assets you used in game to make a pre-rendered scene that plays as the game loads in the background is a FAR CRY from using much higher resolution models and rendering in your cutscenes and then using scaled down versions in game.

In UC2, the models are identical. don't believe me? walk drake into a corner, and look at the detail on his model (or chloe or elana's) by panning the camera around. Same exact resolution seen in all of the cut scenes. The fact that they are pre-rendered is the only reason there is only one load time in the entire game, just like with GOW3. It's also why the cutscenes are able to seamlessly integrate with the gameplay with no noticeable cuts in the action (most of the time), because they're using the same assets.

While there is nothing wrong with using pre-rendered cutscenes, especially if you are really good at making them (Square Enix...), the Xbox fanboys that are using this game as a "this is the year Xbox finally catches up to ps3 visually" type game will be sorely disappointed to see that the actual gameplay is nowhere near as good looking. I saw this game in person at Microsoft's E3 press conference, and it's not that impressive visually. They've had time to polish it since, but there is still a noticeable difference between it's cutscenes (which approach heavy rain's real time visuals in quality) to it's actual gameplay (which is closer to RE5 visually).

Just goes to show, that with any game you cannot trust what you originally see to be what you'll actually get in game. Don't believe it until you see it.

[eagle21]

Well "pre-render" me speechless....LMFAO. :)

[boodybandit]

"Yup, PS3 army rack up the disagrees. That is all you do!"

Well I am neither a fanboy nor part of some army but I will come straight out and tell you I did in fact hit the disagree button because of your comment from your opening remarks.

I am sorry but I completely disagree with anyone that says one fanboy is worst than another or lumps everyone together because they don't agree with you. What you said was uncalled for and flat out ignorance and "for that" I hit disagree.

All these lame @ss articles claiming Alan Wake was going to set new bench marks, rival this or that, were all nonsense and posted by no nothing sites looking for hits by fueling this so called console war.

Anyone with an IQ above that of a 5th grader could see most of the videos and screen shots were taken from cut scenes. Anyone that said one thing that wasn't deemed as a positive remark under those articles were disagreed with in a heart beat. I read those articles but refrained from posting under them because I knew this would be the end result.

Either way you are the last one, no offense GEC because I know you have been around forever and you get frustrated beyond logical reasoning at times, that should be calling people fanboys and labeling them the way you do. I have been lurking and posting on this site for years as well and I know your history all too well.

Like I always say to those that want to hear it:
Let the game speak for itself once it's released. Until then don't speculate because this is what ends up happening far too often. People end up being disappointed.

Most of the gaming media has already seen Alan Wake in person. If it was going to be some graphical juggernaut it would have already been reported by the bigger sites. It's a fine looking game but I don't see it rivaling PS3 exclusives. I just hope it has a good story and ends up being worth the wait.

[fedex682]

They are quite honest. They are letting the fans know what to expect and they are pretty open about it. In my books that is kudos to the developer.

[Space_cancer]

Just look at the comments. I must be in the PS3 thread..oh wait. Fanbois in here need more hobbies. What does this game has to do with PS?

News Flash: This is not the first game to use this trick. But when the game is 360 exclusive it creates insta PS3 fanboi-sh1tstorm.

-

Pre-rendered cutscenes in a 360 game = Crap game

Pre-rendered cutscenes in a PS3 game = Best game ever made

Makes perfect sense?

Just lol.

[Hoggy1983]

Completely agree. The desperation of "some" people on here to downplay any 360 game is pathetic. These people arent gamers. They've latched onto cutscenes now? Forget that, the WHOLE game looks brilliant. The cutscenes just add even more gloss. Half the time people who make comparisons with UC2 are actually PS3 fans trying to knock the game rather than Xbox fans knocking the PS3. At any rate, why are PS3 fans so desperate that Alan Wake is not as graphically excellent as UC2?? Just take it as a compliment to the system you own that Xbox 360 owners acknowledge what a great game that is!

I can only presume alot of the posters on here are teenagers. If you're not and are desperately seeking a chink in Alan Wakes armour because you don't have a 360 you need to take a look at yourself and your priorities in life. Lol, seriously I just read the rambling title of this article and it made me chuckle again.

What also makes me chuckle is the agree/disgrees on here. Just because you can give me, or others, a disagree or take a bubble does not make the comment less valid. At least not in N4G current format of "one train of thought only"

[lociefer]

OOOHHH SNAAP

[RadientFlux]

Wow people are surprised by this. Video game developers have been doing this for at least two console generations and probably even longer than that.

[CrazzyMan]

x360 is NO match for graphics of PS3.

I must admit, that those AW cinematics looked pretty and for a moment i thought, that x360 is capable of doing what PS3 can, when it is used in right hands.
But NO, x360 can`t do these amazing things like PS3 does in Killzone 2, MGS4, Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, God of War 3, The Last Guardian, Gran Turismo 5.

PS3 IS JUST MORE POWERFUL THAN x360. The end of story. And this should be NOT questioned ever again!

[jwatt]

Yea I agree just like PS3 exclusives, Alan wake still looks good even if there is pre-rendered scenes in the game. Just quit with the bashing because it's a 360 exclusive.

[HolyOrangeCows]

They're not bashing the game for using pre-rendered cutscenes, they're responding to the ridiculous claims that Alan Wake has amazing graphics based off of some cutscenes.

Not to mention that Remedy lied about it before, as I showed earlier.

[kunit22c]

I'm seeing people complaining about PS3 fanboys rubbing it in and it is a LITTLE harsh but they have the right, you guys were the one attacking us first saying " OMGZZZ! its better than UC2, KZ2, and MGS4!!1!" If you fanboys would just keep your mouths shut unless you have facts this wouldn't happen, also you should stop hyping your exclusives like hell, seriously 360 exclusives are thee MOST hyped up ever, Halo Reach all of you are hyping it so much acting like its all new and everything but your guys's expectations are way too high, its halo! There will be no big changes! Maybe a few new multiplayer modes and features, a new story and thats it, there you go, you don't hype a new game like that this much! Alan Wake and Halo Reach are 2 great examples of way over hyped games on the 360.

[Hoggy1983]

PS3 fans rubbing what in exactly?? I don't actually see what Xbox gamers have to be upset about? Ohhh, the cutscenes look a bit better than ingame. Riiiiight.

As for the fanboy bit, maybe you need to keep your own house in order.

Edit - I checked out the previous article comments regarding the Alan Wake trailer. Out of all the comments only 2 posters Labwarrior and Halo made any fanboy comments against the PS3 and comparisons to its games. 99% of the rest were simply praising how good the game looked. This perception that loads of Xbox fanboys are trying to say Alan Wake is better than UC2 is complete bunk.

[Raf1k1]

I knew an article like this was going to turn up sooner or later and show the kids that the visuals weren't in-game. I didn't expect the PS3 fans to make this much of a fuss though.

edit: @ kunit22c, yeah anyone mouthing off prematurely had it coming TBH.

[hades07]

OMG, over a 180 replies, must be the end of the world.

.....oh wait it's only that Alan Wake uses better rendered cutscenes. Hmm am I missing something or that's no big deal?

[Immortal321]

buy this game, it's the right step for MS. If this game sells at least 2mill, we can assure we will see more competition in graphical capabilities.

we know graphics don't make the game, but it sure do make it look better than the others.

[kunit22c]

So typical, he only brings up the argument he 'thinks' he can win, he goes around the fact that I said they had their facts wrong(about the prerendered graphics) Also did anyone else catch that? He checked one article out of the many articles posted on the subject and the many forums on the subject and yes even on Youtube videos there were fanboys making the claim. /But you know only 2 people made that claim, Because everyone goes on N4G... /s needed?

Edit- Also the people who didn't make those claims shouldn't even be offended by my comment or anyone else's on the subject anyways.

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

some fan boy said they were in-game and I believed him. I feel violated.

I guess we're still waiting for the 360 to catch up. Maybe Halo will do it. *crosses fingers*/s

LOL. Still this game looks amazing graphically just because of the use of lighting alone. I still like it.

[nveenio]

Uncharted 2 had prerendered scenes

--BUT--

One thing ND bragged about was that the models in the cinematics were the same as in the game. Something like 80k polys.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

No, booty you are full of sh!t. I watched this happen with the Halo Reach shots, then it moved on to Splinter Cell and now here we are at Alan Wake and the same army of dip's are here doing the same thing again. The loudest, most annoying are the PS3 fanboys. I am with you that fanboys suck in general but the PS3 ones take this to a whole nother level and are basically over-running any new game information for the 360 with FUD. THIS VERY ARTICLE we are typing in is a perfect example.

Immediately dismissing a game as unable to compete graphically or flat out slamming the title based on the cut scenes. I am with you %100 to wait to play the game before you judge and that is part of the frustration here.

360 fans (3 of them) claim it has better graphics then UC2 or one of the other benchmarks and people act like there mother has just been slapped across the face. The defensive volume goes to 100 percent! Quickly dismissed as "impossible" and then we proceed to have to spend the next 2 pages defending a game nobody has played against some rabid mentals who can't seem to handle another game possibly looking better.

I can't get through a high profile game announcement for the 360 without the words UC2 or KZ2 coming into it and here we FN are AGAIN 4 pages 183 comments and completely over-run.

I will say it again.. THE WORST! And I'm not talking about all PS3 owners there are some here who are gamers.

@1.41: You speak the truth Hoggy, don't let the disagrees fool you. It's the same stupid tactic they always use. ANYONE can go look at that post and see what you said was %100 truth.

@1.46: Maybe you missed the 5 or so comments that repeatedly linked to this same forum from a Remedy employee. Stop acting like people made it up. They provided proof with a source..

Badz: Please. You can count the 360 trolls here on ONE HAND. Anyone can look at N4G and see very clearly what is going on here. Your excuse that it goes both ways just doesn't fly man. When you have maybe 1 or 2 trolls hitting a PS3 story they are easily stomped out. I've been in 360 stories where literally the entire first page is deleted by the moderators because it is so out of control. Just stop trying to pass that off.

[badz149]

GEC you don't have to play victims here because it goes both ways! both sides are throwing sh!t at each other every fvcking chance they get! you aren't new here anyway! who do you think you are? a judge?

@Eddy - aww man, that's just mean! funny but mean! :)

and for the records, I don't think graphic defines a great game! even if AW doesn't look as stunning as the like of UC2, KZ2, HR and GoW3, if the story is good, gameplay is intact, I think we should just be happy a game game is here for us to play!

[silvacrest]

you mentioned the 3 PS3 "graphic kings" but i think MGS4 should be their too and probably uncharted 1

if you honestly think thoose games you mentioned are the only ones that surpass all 360 games....okay, thats your opinion

[DaTruth]

Here's my big question! If the cutscenes are in 720p, but are higher resolution models than the game, what resolution does the gameplay run at?

FF13 has higher resolution cutscenes than the gameplay, 1080p vs 720p. The gameplay is scaled to 1080p to keep from jumping back and forth, higher resolution huds and subs. But it would make absolutely no sense to render a scene at 1080p and than display it in 720p. If they said higher poly counts, than I could understand, but that is not what's written!

@Crab: I seen a lot of really stupid things in the past couple of days with these Alan Wake articles(never posted), but what you're doing now is the tops of all stupidness! You've succeeded and exceeded in everything you hate!

[hades07]

Haha disagrees because so many people on here are insecure about their console they are obsessed with and making such a big deal about such a small thing, sounds about right for N4G. I think most people here need to get out of their parent's basement and live a little. Not have lil nerdy fanboy wars with other people online about how the graphics during a video is beefed up a bit compared to regular gameplay.

A brand new game is announced and barely even talked about, but oh no, the graphics of a system can be debated, time for the fanboy war to go all out. People here need to learn to have an actual discussion and not just beat around he bush and argue about this console or that console, it's ridiculous.

[EVILDEAD360]

ON TOPIC...

I said it in the Alan Wake new trailer article..It was this trailer that finally got me excited about Alan wake..it wasn't just the graphics..it's the ENTIRE package..

The cutscenes look cool..but never has the gameplay footage look bad. These fankids are on crack if they think that gamers in the real world support 360 games thinking this game sucks because it don't look as good as Uncharted 2..

If graphics actually mattered then why did almost 8 million people buy Call of Duty: MW2 on the PS3 alone..while Killzone 2 and MAG only did a fraction of that..

@ Crab

You are absolutely right..it's no contest..the proof is in every article..just yesterday's Natal fake article that talked negative about it..shot to over a 1000 degrees.while the positive didnt push half of that.

Today another negative article and we are at 250 comments..but take a look at the comments..it's pretty clear..same stuff..different day

Doesnt matter..nobody takes these youngins seriously..they don't rep the real gamers out there...so let the disgruntled dozen + multis continue to hate..it won't hurt the success of Alan Wake one bit..they weren't buying it anyway

Evil

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Love how none of the 360 fanboys who were taking so much sh*t have anything to say now..

Scumbags.

[HxCGamer]

where's cold 2000?

[Consoldtobots]

a rather curious thing has happened this generation, in order to not appear "biased" you basically have to kiss MS and their fanboys in the beehind and give them credit they really don't deserve. Objectivity is looked at as fanboyism and fanboyism is looked at as insanity. That said many an objective observer called this race LONG AGO for the PS3. That wasn't out of some sense of debt to Sony. It was because these people were not your average gamer, knew how to read specifications and produce verifiable conclusions from that. I have been one of those from the very beginning and have seen all my expectations met for the PS3 aswell as the 360. If you think about you will realize what that means.

[tehReaper]

Really? With a name like that, you're trying to say that you and people like you are't bias. Give me a break. If anything you ignore 360's positives and point out the negatives. The opposite applies to your opinion on Sony. You really think you're fooling real gamers?

[tehReaper]

To be fair, Crab has grown neutral if you check his RECENT comments and not comments from years ago. The same can't be said about the group of PS3 fanboys he's talking about. It's the same crap in every 360 article. Even after 4~5 years of this generation we still have some that refuse to grow up. Need comparison between 360 and PS3 fanboys? This article is enough proof. How many PS3 fanboys can you count? Come back with a low number and maybe I'll admit 360 fanboys are still just as bad.

[Hoggy1983]

Actually, I wasn't selective about it, I simply went on to the previous Alan Wake article and was ready to see what comments were made. I would have equally acknowledged if there were alot of people bashing the PS3. There simply wasn't.

What makes me laugh is your "trawling" of the internet forums to substantiate your claim that Xboy fanboys are saying AW is better than UC2. If you dig to any extent on the web you're going to find any opinion about anything voiced.

On here, N4G, the actual reality is far reduced compared to the perception of UC2 bashing.

Oh, and next time why not address the content of a post to me rather than pandering to the peanut gallery?

[vhero]

So in other words fake.. I did say though wait till the game comes out for final evaluation before you start coming out with crap but noooooo you 360 fans had to start coming out with your crap. How embarrassed are you guys now? Devs ALWAYS do this before the release of a game. No doubt the games gonna look great on 360 but you guys need to calm the heck down! Let us wait for launch yeah?? As for enemy crab omg dude you need to take a chill pill and stop proving how much of a 360 fan you really are with retarded comments like that.

[Christopher]

You see what you want to see on this site.

While you are right to point blame at idiotic PS3 fanboys who revel in finding any fault with a good looking game on the 360, do you not see that 360 fanboys after seeing one cut-scene full trailer proclaim their own games to be the best of all graphics and to rival that of other games that have already been released? How about those 360 fanboys who claim already that Alan Wake rivals Heavy Rain and Uncharted 2?

I get both sides of this idiotic war thrown down my throat every day here, and they're both just as annoying and neither side is less annoying. I got it with GoW3, Halo Reach, Heavy Rain, and now Alan Wake. There is no worse fanboy, they're all just as bad as the other because they feed off of each other. PS3 fanboys wouldn't have anything to say about Alan Wake if 360 fanboys hadn't lauded it all to high heaven, thinking it suddenly the holy grail of gaming. If both sides just learned to appreciate games on their own, there wouldn't be a fanboy war at all... but both sides can't help but ridicule every game on the other platform while praising their own above all others.

[jerethdagryphon]

among thieves and uncharteds cutscens while prerendered are doen with ingame assets

not higher res ones not anything else theo nly thing changes is the lighting engine to a more realistic one...

thats the difference

alan wake uses the rendering engine but the original high poly meshes

uncharted uses ingame meshes and textures and rendering engine

[IaMs12]

Just because they are pre-rendered doesnt throw out the amazing graphics. It indeed still has amazing graphics that being said, i have no problem with pre-rendered graphics because the graphics in-game are still amazing.

Cant wait for this game now.

[xTruthx]

"N4PS3G"
Even more amazing is that Alan Wake doesn't use CG and RemedyPR confirmed that it was all in-game with post processing effects.

Then people bother to tell me this guys don't lie and aren't fanboys when they lie and make up things.

[Fishy Fingers]

Nothing new, its regular practice to touch up your trailers/cinematics in one way or another, thats where the term "in engine" comes from, rather than "in game".

But I'm sure this will make some people sad, and of course, just as many very very happy.

[Alcon Caper]

Metal Gear Solid does this.

[Fishy Fingers]

It does indeed, and in part thats why the cinematics kick ass. Well most of them, plane bits got on my nerves after a few play throughs.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Hey. MGS4 had prerendered cutscenes, but MAJORITY of the the cinematics were actually in realtime. Only realtime lets you use your skin and dynamic octocamo in the cutscenes and mostly all of MGS4's cutscenes allowed that.

[Eamon]

yeah MGS4 cutscenes were pretty much real-time scripted events happening in-game.

I'm guessin the reason why they are using video files rather than real-time is because they would want to run the cinematics in good framerate. The amount of detail and stuff happening would probably cause significant slow downs.

So, most probably a PC is used to record the cutscenes. A bit dissapointing to know but at least it won't spoil the overall experience.

[Chris_TC]

A mere 9 hours ago I received 5 disagrees for posting this:
"In the trailers none of the in-game footage looks anywhere near as great as the cutscenes though. I have a feeling those cutscenes are pre-calculated and stored as videos."
http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/...

And it makes me sad to be right. If they hadn't dropped the PC version, the entire game would look like the cutscenes.

[coolfool]

God of War 3 was mostly pre-rendered despite what others on this thread are saying.

I hope they don't make me dig out the article with with the GOWIII dev saying that most cut scenes are prerendered.......

[ReBurn]

This one?

http://www.n4g.com/News-481...

God of War III does not use in-game for all of their cinematics. For some they use in-engine that have been recorded and are played as video. Bruno Velazquez of Sony Santa Monica confirmed it.

The point is that it is standard practice to do this. Cinematics are supposed to look cinematic.

[Omega4]

Well this is standard for every game with "in-game cutscenes", surprising it still fits on one DVD.

Including FF13 and Uncharted 2

@Fishy Fingers
Pre-rendered videos take up a lot of space

[Fishy Fingers]

These effects would have very little impact on storage.

Edit: Is that always the case because, FF was slightly different as pretty much everything is pre-rendered CGI with little to no in game assets, thats why I thought they took up so much room. AWs are not.

Ah maybe I'm wrong.

[Biggest]

With it being an episodic game, I'd imagine that in total the game will be huge.

[The Time Reaper]

Fishy, video is video. The quality of assets used within that video is irrelevant to the file size in the end. Just FYI man.

Many devs are turning to using ingame assets/engine vid caps to show off what their engine can do at a stable framerate, and also because ingame visuals these days (UC2 for example) look freaking great already.

I don't get what the disagree is for. The file size is based on the codecs, not the content.

[Fishy Fingers]

Yeah when you think about it that makes total sense. Which then concerns me, if the game has a lot of cinematics (eating up the space) and is on one disc, that doesnt leave much space.

Is it confirmed on one disc?

Ah whatever, I'll see how it goes, I'm not too concerned really, I've been impressed with what Ive seen and Remedy havent disappointed me yet.

[raztad]

Isnt FFXIII filled with CGI movies, ie much higher poly count models and environs?

Still, I think the point is it's better to keep expectations low and be surprised than too high and be disappointed.

[Marceles]

I'm quite sure people could tell what was in-game and CGI on FFXIII though, for Alan Wake it seemed like most people were raving about the pre-rendered cutscene gifs like they were in-game rendered in real-time.

[The Time Reaper]

"Isnt FFXIII filled with CGI movies, ie much higher poly count models and environs? "

Yes, but the polycounts and effects dont matter as those were done on a more powerful rig then dumped to video. They probably also played out at 1 frame per second until they were cut together as a movie file. Those higher quality assets don't need to exist on the game disc.

"CGI" lately denotes content done on a more powerful rendering machine, such as say, the ending to GoW2 on PS2.

[peeps]

"With it being an episodic game, I'd imagine that in total the game will be huge. "

not really. Siren:blood curse was an episodic game and was probably the standard 8-10 game time

[Biggest]

Each episode was 8-10 hours? Or the entire game was 8-10 hours?

[LinuxGuru]

Smart people saw this and called it before anyone had to explain it.

[The Time Reaper]

I don't know why people are upset with this, many games do this. GoW3 does it for a couple of the utterly insane scenes as well.

Here's a little tip... if there's no rumble on the controller, it's probably a video file.

No one should be disappointed/upset by this, but I expect the usual BS in here.

[nilamo]

Yep you're right check out rezzah downstairs. Talk about ignorance.

[bjornbear]

but many people were saying its IN-GAME, instead of IN-ENGINE

i guess some people just don't distinguish =(

but you are correct, U2 as well, the cutscenes have a little bit of a slight soft blur to them in game it doesn't have

this doesn't deter from Alan Wake's beauty

it just makes some 360 fanboys, who said the cutscenes were IN-GAME while trying to prove a point, look silly =/

[nilamo]

A lot ps3 fanboys do the same thing, pointing fingers isn't getting us nowhere. Let's just let this article die.

[Biggest]

Yep. Now that we look silly. . . Let's kill this one. No reason to point fingers anymore, guys. Let's grow up and be mature.

But ignore the many comments after this saying that God of War 3 and Uncharted 2 cheated too.

[shadow2797]

prerendered vs. real-time makes an aesthetic difference because the costumes/weapons transfer over. So there's immersion there. But prerendered in itself isn't a bad thing.

In engine isn't inherently bad either. Gran Turismo Prolouge's replays are in-engine. Yes it is kind of cheap to apply AA and other effects that can't be done in real time, but at the end of the day, you're still seeing basically the same thing.

The distinguishing difference is in-game assets vs. high resolution assets.

So pointing out other games with prerendered cutscenes or in-engine cutscenes is irrelevant. The best PS3 exclusives use in-game assets.

This doesn't mean that Alan Wake is a bad game, or that Alan Wake is bad looking. All it means is that we can't judge the graphics until the actual game is released so we know for sure what is actually in-game.

[Shaman]

This will get ugly...

[Fishy Fingers]

Nah... we'll up the res, slap on a few post processing effects and this thread will look good as new.

;)

[Marceles]

*thread gasps*

[unknownhero1123]

I've seen ugly and this went beyond ugly.

I have to say, we need to stop putting so much empathize on graphics. graphics are the icing on the cake, It's the gameplay that matters.

@crab, all fanboys are bad. In the end, fanboys gain nothing except maybe an increased ego and a few pounds :D. seriously though, fanboys are thier own worst enemy because they are blind to thier favorite consoles faults. I rather be a gamer and see the gaming world without fanboy googles. peace!

[joker2k8]

its not surprising mostly every game dose the same thing. i will enjoy the game when it come out.

[bjornbear]

well then...who's going to drag the big elephant out of the "room" now? =3....I'm not going to do it...I'm not touching the elephant

[Nitrowolf2]

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/...
Zero 007
where are you?
lol your funny thinking a CGI Pre-rendered was actually in-game graphics

[Anorexorcist]

Well sh*t, we don't have all day to educate that completely blind idiot fanboy. Hell I don't even think a full day would be enough to bring his dumb a$$ up to speed with reality.

[hybridtheory12]

i know right. He was the one gloating about the graphics and making fun of PS3 games compared to the "gameplay" too bad it turned out to be cutscenes though. He will LOVE this article.

[Kratos Spartan]

he won't show up here. he would have been here already. A brave soul if he does though

[Comet]

Wasn't expecting much of the flashlight in the dark game anyway... Especially considering the 360's capabilities.
I bet the meta score will be around 76-86

Nothing touches PlayStation 3 exclusives...

[xXRight3yeXx]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA

This makes me laugh. And all of you were saying "maybe the Xbox 360 can be better". I was the only one who didn't comment because when i saw the trailer i knew something was wrong. It looked better than Uncharted 2 which is completely not possible on the Xbox 360.

[rawd]

buahah

And the funniest part is, I bet its prerendered video at 576p. I bet Failbox can't even handle 1080p CGI cutscenes

[TheXgamerLive]

has NO loads b/c it does that while you watch the cut scene, that's bad is it? I think it's F'ing amazing!

Remedy know's what there doing.

but you sad lil girls go ahead and cry.

[Dance]

Uncharted 2, GOW3 and MGS4 all do this so what is the problem?

[The Time Reaper]

MGS4 only does it on the Volta actually. The rest are done in realtime (costume changes are a clear give away).

[sayonara89]

All cinematics in MGS were real time, most cinematics in GOW3 were real time. It's true for U2.

[Dnied]

Yup, true story.

Also, the god of war cinematics to me arent better than the gameplay.....
they both look the same, SM studios said themselves they didnt feel the need to "enhance" because the engine looked good enough.....

EDIT: exactly lol (below) Beat you to it :P

[i_am_interested]

there is no problem

but im pretty sure SSM has gone on record to say that the kratos model used in cutscenes is the same in game

and i wouldnt be surprised if the same was the case for ND and drake

[drtanuyn]

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT ONE!

read my post at 23

mgs4
gow3
killzone2
uncharted2
&
uncharted1

YEP, ALL ARE IN-GAME, REAL TIME.. AND DO NOT PUT VISUALS HIGHER JUST FOR CUTSCENES..

hell even resistance2 did not pre render its cutscenes..

[shadow2797]

From my post above:
"prerendered vs. real-time makes an aesthetic difference because the costumes/weapons transfer over. So there's immersion there. But prerendered in itself isn't a bad thing.

In engine isn't inherently bad either. Gran Turismo Prolouge's replays are in-engine. Yes it is kind of cheap to apply AA and other effects that can't be done in real time, but at the end of the day, you're still seeing basically the same thing.

The distinguishing difference is in-game assets vs. high resolution assets.

So pointing out other games with prerendered cutscenes or in-engine cutscenes is irrelevant. The best PS3 exclusives use in-game assets.

This doesn't mean that Alan Wake is a bad game, or that Alan Wake is bad looking. All it means is that we can't judge the graphics until the actual game is released so we know for sure what is actually in-game."

Uncharted 2, God of War 3, and MGS4 all use in-game assets in their cutscenes. Some cutscenes in all three games are prerendered, but they all use in-game assets. Alan wake uses high-resolution assets, that's the key difference here.

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

Dance is again in the ignorance.

[nilamo]

A lot of games do this, yes God of war 3 and uncharted 2 do this as well for their cinematics. All the cinematics are still rendered in real time.

[clintos59]

Where as in Alan Wake the cutscenes looks better then the gameplay itself and is easy to spot the cutscenes from gameplay. Does this make Alan Wake a bad game? Hells no, the last trailer they showed off convinced me that this game is a definitely "Day 1 Purchase" not only for me but anyone who owns a 360. Heck ill go out on a limb & be honest even though I plan on still buying Heavy Rain but after the last trailer for Alan Wake, im a little more amped for Alan Wake then Heavy Rain even though I know both will be great games in their own way.

[M-Easy]

I tried to tell people this

[spooky205]

The game looks like it will play good. I dont care about graphics. If i did i would have gotten rid of my 360 long ago in favor of a nice gaming rig that can destroy everything else out right now.I dont get the whole graphics arguement really. Contra 3 has horrible graphics compared to Halo 3 but its 100x a better shooter than that overhyped garbage ever was.

[Dnied]

Not many gamers do care really.

But when you have an article with 200+ posts, 95% of them are angry people comparing graphics (half being xbox talking down the ps3). You're going to get alot of people that want to rub it back in their faces for being so idiotic.

And when the developers themselves come out and admit it, there's really nowhere to hide lol

[Das_Bastardion]

Seems the box really will never match the PS3 visuals

TAKE THAT ZERO 007 and all the other stupid bots of this site

The most important game of the Xbox Generation IS NOT AT THE SAME LEVEL as the KING OF CONSOLES, the PS3

[Anorexorcist]

CODE RED!!!!!

Initiate Delusional, Blind Idiot Xbot Final Fallback Plan!

Buh Teh Sales argument is now activated and will be employed very soon!

[Das_Bastardion]

has more common sense and a more developed intelligence than any stupid xbot

That's a Fact!

[Narutone66]

the xbox 360 is leading the PS3 in internet Google searches.

[rawd]

YOU KNOBS WAITED THIS LONG FOR THIS CRAP

[NinjaSp33d]

But either way day 1 for me ;)

[Nitrowolf2]

glad your comment wasn't some stupid delutional one trying to say that the devs are lying and that these are actually in-game graphics.

btw if i own a 360 it would be day one for me 2, idk y but after playing Heavy Rain, i am wanting to play more thriller type games
i hope Quantic dreams does another one

[Trroy]

I many contexts, it is completely appropriate to do so, where the cutscene does not need to smoothly flow into and out of gameplay.

As Remedy stated, in these scenes, the character is closer to the camera, and thus more model detail is warrented. While they're at it, they may as well do some expensive post-processing to make it look extra good. Good games are all about user experience, not fanboy graphics comparisons. The model detail is lower during gameplay because a higher level of detail would slow the game down.

If you don't need smooth gameplay-to-noninteractive and vice-versa, this is the way to do it.

Even if Alan Wake is not the end-all of console graphics, you shouldn't let that cloud your own personal opinion of the game. I don't recall Remedy ever pulling a "Turn 10" and claiming some amazing graphical superiority over the rest of all console gaming, after all. I would wager that the game will look great, from any standpoint -- whether its the creme de la creme, is kinda immaterial.

Look at MAG, as an example. Pixel by pixel, it doesn't appear to be a graphical beast. Then you need to step back and consider the scale of what that game is doing, relative to other shooters. A game in a single room, with a single character. would probably be the hottest looking console game, pixel by pixel, ever created. No one would care.

[thelifatree]

It makes sense to do this. The choices are

A) make non-interactive scenes look prettier by post-processing and higher res models.

B) make non-interactive scenes look worse because you want the xbox to do it on the spot. And then you have a loading time tacked on.

Easy choice yes?

[Lord_Ranos]

LOL. 360 is garbage.

[blasian]

guess the bots didnt want to come out their cages

[Das_Bastardion]

The fvcking console war is OVER, those sons of b!tches doesn't have ANY other argument to say that the garbage360 is superior to the PS3

If they dare to show their ugly faces here they will only get savagely raped by all the true gamers of this site

TREY 4 LIFE!!!!

[mrdxpr2]

dude i like to agree with you.. but calm down we all knew that this was already over it was just a matter of time but you seem like the xbox killed your family and all u want is the destruction of it.. i for one think competition is good cause of the effort developers put in there video games to make them better ... and as much as 360 developers try to make there games the best in will never happen cause with the ps3s power that will never happen.. but again language calm down

[Das_Bastardion]

Thanks to the competition the PS3 actually has delivered Masterpieces these years.

I don't hate the xbox, I just hate xbots like Metal Gear Risin/GR8_1/Zero 007 that trolls the PS3 in every chance they have.

[Bathyj]

So someone broke the mirrors and let all the smoke out.

Its no different to what they do in the Forza replays, using a higher poly-count car in the replay than the game can run normally.

Its not a big deal, I always though AW looked good on an artistic level, more than a technical one.

[Dance]

GT5P,Wipeout HD and a load of others games on the xbox and PS3 do this so stop acting like Alan Wake is or was the first

[Redempteur]

wipeout HD ? what did you smoke ?? there is no cinematics in wipeout HD ..

[Bathyj]

Uhm, I actually just stated it wasnt the first, and wasnt a big deal, so you stop acting like a douche, unless you're not acting.

Beside GT uses the same models ingame and in replays, just with extra effects. Not only are the models in Forza higher poly-count in the replay than during the gameplay, its not even all the cars that do this, its only the car the camera is focused on because XB cant run them all (all 8 is it?) at that detail even in replay mode.

Its pretty much the same thing they're doing in AW, but like I said, who cares as long as it looks good.

And yes, what are you smoking because its better than mine.

Wipeout runs like melted butter. You cant find technical fault with that game, and you just look like areal fanboy douche for trying.

[XmnMetal]

Metal Gear Solid 4 had realtime cinematics, if you your octocamo suit was in "cloak" mode you could shake your controller and you suit would change back to its original pattern while in the "cut scene" also there were cinematics that transition into game seamlessly. During the briefing you could use the MkII except for important story info.Every thing was realtime.

[A change in the wind]

Yep, exactly as I called it in a previous article. It`s obvious to anybody who is not a bot.

[CernaML]

lol Anybody who wasn't a delusional 360 fanboy called it. I knew it once I saw some game play trailers where game play would screen tear and the better looking cinematics wouldn't.

[UltimateSanto]

Most games do this and if they don't it doesn't matter it has nothing to do with the gameplay, and doesn't mean the game is going to be bad or good at all.

PS3 Fanboys stop complaining about graphics once and for all and play the game when it comes out.

[JTX]

Ya. For some reason PS3 fan boys are acting like this is the first game to ever do this. Fan boys are the worst.

[Dnied]

You're both pretty wrong. You cant just assume everyone who didn't believe the obviously enhanced videos that have been released are automatically fanboys of the PS3.

JTX same goes for you. For some reason, for SOME REASON, the people that defended Alan Wake till death are now acting like it's done in every single game and you knew (all of a sudden) that Alan Wake had them as well.

Do you really think you'd feel that way if Remedy came out and said the complete opposite? What if they said exactly what ND, or SM said and that nothing was "glorified" and all video footage was in game / final models.

hmm.

[JTX]

It was obvious they were either pre rendered or cgi. It's the fan boys acting like it's a big deal and writing the game off as a failure is what's hilarious.

[webeblazing]

that was funny cuz ps fanboi was saying the game was hot and stop comparing to ps3 game and that there inengine. but they had they fun im not surprised or mad not to sound like an d*ck but it usually happen wit the xbox fanboi especially when its a talk about graphic which ps boi tend 2 mostly say pc is the graphic king

[darkbladez]

it said it did in the making of god of war 3 movie that cam with the game and you can tell by playing as fear kratos

[despair]

the main two concerns will be whether the difference in gameplay and cut scene takes from the game (unlikely) and the main concern is whether the game will actually PLAY well...isn't that most important. Of course graphics matter but game play will always be king (look at megaman 10).

Considering this game is from the brilliant minds who made one of my favorites, Max Payne, then I'm optimistic it will be a great game but to compare the graphics to UC2 or GOW3 will be stupid and just disappoint a lot of people. Here's hoping for an eventual PC release where Remedy made their name.

[stuna1]

But this just proves that the ones who are being the most vocal (You know who you are)! Always end up putting their foot in their mouths. I for one like what the the Xbox is capable of, but what I fail to see is out of all this time why now would the Xbox 360 be able to pull off, how do they say it? "Jaw dropping, spectacular, realistic graphics"! When the last graphical beast was Geow ll an almost if not 2 year old game but, for some probably ME ll. Why not put your best foot forward and stop with the smoke and mirror crap! The fans would respect and, appreciate you more IMO.

[Hellsvacancy]

Dare i say again, "Alone In The Dark" just another 1 of those games thatll soon b 4-gotten

[JTX]

Originally Posted by anttitRMD View Post
Since this keeps popping up every time the cutscenes are discussed, let me try to give a bit more thorough answer even though it's not my area of expertise. We could've done the cinematics "realtime in-game" -style too if we would have wanted to but there's a few good reasons why videos (rendered with the game engine, of course) were a good choice for us:

We can do the editing in a software that's dedicated to it instead of building some sort of editing and camera management system in our own toolset. We have our own engine so we don't always have the luxury of using pre-existing tools.

We can do transitions like crossfades (which are notoriously difficult in real time graphics since basically you would need to render the picture twice and blend them together).

We can do post-processing on the video if needed without the need to implement said effects in the game engine. That being said, the post-processing capabilities of our engine are pretty awesome but it can be a bit silly to do additional features to the graphics engine if said features are only to be used in some cutscenes. It's not economical for a company of this size.

With video, we are not limited by the streaming of the game world. Terrain, objects, characters, textures etc. need to be read from the DVD into the memory before they can be displayed. With video, we can do cutscenes that show several distant locations in a quick succession without us having to worry about the time it takes to stream in a new location.

And as previously mentioned, we can do things like streaming in a completely new game location while the video is playing so the player won't see any boring loading screens when we want to switch the location.

We can pretty much ignore most of the potential memory or performance issues with the hires characters and textures when using video. It's much much faster to produce hi-resolution content when you don't have to worry about making it optimal.

And runtime memory is very precious. If we can avoid keeping hires characters in the memory, we can make rest of the game look better.

---

I hope this clarifies our choice of going with videos instead of "in-game" cines a bit. And I do stress that it is a choice: what works for Alan Wake is not the right approach for many other games. We chose videos because it was a better option for us (meaning Remedy and you, the players) because it results to a better looking game (both the playable bits and the cinematics) and less work for our programmers and artists. Of course videos are not an entirely problem-free approach either but game development is full of choices like these.

[QuantumWake]

I was just about to post this. It's nice to see Remedy finally clarify this situation. Cheers! :D

[webeblazing]

i dont think there was ever a problem besides people wanting MS to actually start caring about they gamers and start putting more diverse game and try 2 really start pushing the bar (thats another story). they doing they thing wit this game cant wait 2 play it. we need more games like this on xbox.

[The Time Reaper]

Well this thread became one big pissing match, kind of sad. Hopefully though some people learned WHY developers do this for the good of the experience and to keep the quality of their titles high and polished.

[justaddh30]

longest title ever

[Mkai28]

Pre render or not, I've seen the gameplay and that is enough for me. Why is it such a big deal if it uses pre rendered cut scenes? (not CG other wise it would be on 2 or 3 disc)Because people said that it was an ingame cut scene, that makes the people who opposed winners or something?
Let me know what your award was. (The Time Reaper, all these threads on n4g are "pissing matches". Apparently video game consoles have become they're mistresses and have to defend they're "honor")

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi_]

It happens EVERY TIME on this!!!(Forza 3 anyone???) ;-D

+ I am sure Micro$oft will show the "cinematics" on their TV ads and put 'IN-GAME SHOTS' as people are watching it!!! ;-D

+ I saw the MW2 DLC Micro$oft Ad today and they made out that the MW2 DLC was xBox 360 Only??? Er NO!!! It is coming out for the PS3 soon to!!! ;-D Micro$oft make me SICK!!! :-/ I wish they would F-OFF out of the gaming industry!!! ;-P (SORRY ModBots!!! I can't help saying what i feel!!!) ;)

[Optical_Matrix]

WOW, I leave to play FFXIII for an hour and this sh1tstorm breaks loose. As soon as I saw the headline, I didn't even have to look to see the mess this has become. Headline said it all lol. This is standard practise. Even Uncharted 2 did it during loading screens. Only game I know recently that doesn't do it is God of War III. All rendered in real time. What's funny however is that fanboys claimed, like they did with Metro 2033 that this would crush certain games on the PS3 visually. And, once again, like with Metro 2033, you've been proved wrong. I don't understand whats so hard to accept that a console is more powerful/can churn out better graphics. The Xbox was the clear powerhouse last gen, and no one disputed that. PS3 is this gens graphical/processing power house. It's not rocket science.
Game still looks fantastic though. But we should have been seeing games like this on 360 2 years ago.

[i_am_interested]

GOW3 uses pre-rendered cut scenes at times

it just doesnt use outrageously higher quality models

[drtanuyn]

mgs4 did not use pre rendered cutscenes -- all were in-game(e.g. the opening credits was seemless)
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

uncharted2 did not use pre rendered cutscenes aswell
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
@ 3:33 hes explains that its all in-game

killzone2 -- no chance

god of war3 -- no chance

[i_am_interested]

those games used pre-rendered cut scenes at times, especially for the larger scenes

they just didnt use outrageously higher quality models + post processing effects that may not even be in the game

[eagle21]

So will Cliffy B. reveal Gears 3 or Gears 1.3? LMAO :)

Get ready for pre-rendered trailers and bullshots at E3 for 360. :)

[karan8624]

funny.... but seeing as this is an Alan Wake article that makes no sense

[bviperz]

It's like some of the users commenting on this article either have amnesia or this is the first article they read about Alan Wake's trailer. Check out some of the over-zealous comments on that article. You know it's a big deal when the developer feels the need to explain themselves and their choices. IMHO, they didn't need to explain anything. Especially trying to explain whats been done for years (read: generations). I blame the media really (Killzone 2 E3 2005 trailer , "THAT'S NOT REAL, THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!") and the zealots who eat it all up. Funny because the most of the same people commenting in the trailer article (especially posting animated .gif files) will not be found in this article.

[The Time Reaper]

Yes they will. They'll just turn it around and point fingers at "other games that do it as well."

Videogames are ABOUT visual trickery... I don't get why it becomes a pissing match every single time the hyperbole of "best looking game ever?" gets tossed about!

[bviperz]

Like I stated, the media feeds us BS and the zealots feel the need to defend the BS. I remember when games were about enjoyment. Not sales. Not visuals. And definitely not on 'exclusiveness'.

[keyserhitman]

i was wondering about it today aswell

ITS CONFIRMED

360 love pre-render

[Convas]

This is horrible! What will I do?!?! My faith is shattered!

HA.

Look at all the whores circle jerkin' themselves over this news. ROFL! Das_Bastardion actually has the nerve to call himself and the other idiots in here "true gamers". LAUGHING MY PHUCKING ASS OFF.

Son, you wouldn't know how to be a true gamer if one walked up and stabbed you through the stomach.

Too bad, your words are as worthless as you are. Day One gentlemen. Day One.

[Das_Bastardion]

Your tears are delicious, YOU KNOW that the game will not be as amazing as a PS3 exclusive, YOU KNOW that it will not deliver, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, maybe it will be a GOTY contender... BUT JUST THAT

And still you are SO DELUSIONAL that you are holding yourself in one hand over the edge of the cliff, having the supreme hope that this is gonna be the only 360 game that will be comparable to a PS3 exclusive.

IM WAITING THE IN-GAME COMPARISON with a TRUE MONSTER like Uncharted 2 or God of War III... That day we will see a MASSIVE EXPLOSION of xbots brains.

Go play your day one sub hd last gen game, we the true gamers will not miss it.

PS: Good luck fighting against a tractor, this enemy in particular is as EPIC as Chronos in God of War 3

[keyserhitman]

DANCE "GT5P,Wipeout HD and a load of others games on the xbox and PS3 do this so stop acting like Alan Wake is or was the first"

REDEMTEUR " wipeout HD ? what did you smoke ?? there is no cinematics in wipeout HD .."

LOL

drtanuyn is right by the way i_am_intrested..

esspecially with GOW3
its not pre-rendered my friend, sorry

[i_am_interested]

pretty sure there are pre-rendered scenes in GOW3

pretty sure they said there were scenes that they had to prerender because they just didnt have the ingame ram budget to do it

the reason they dont look pre-rendered (if they are) is because they didnt have to add any over the top effects not found in the game itself like other games

all the scenes are in-engine, theye just not all being rendered in real time by YOUR ps3

if i have time, ill try and find the quote, but im pretty sure they said there were scenes where they just didnt have the ram budget to pull of in real time, im sure they would have like to do them all in real time though

but im sure theyre all in engine with in game models unlike some other game

[Dance]

Games visuals look better in replay mode

[bviperz]

the countdown before you start the race in Wipeout HD?

:D

Edit: My bad, it's the REPLAY!

:D

[Baka-akaB]

@Dance

Problem is , you can store replay photos for wipeout . And those look the same as the in game visuals (at least before you try applying some filter to enhance the photos).

It's event more noticeable when you snapshot in movement .

[PLASTICA-MAN]

"pretty sure there are pre-rendered scenes in GOW3

pretty sure they said there were scenes that they had to prerender because they just didnt have the ingame ram budget to do it "

They didn't say that few pre-recorded scenes (still using ingame graphics though not enhanced ones) were used because of lack of RAM but because they didn't want the game to display "LOADING" in order to display them, otherwise they could have done that whithin 100% the console running them in realtime but, some players wil get annoyed when seeing the "LOADING" screen! Anyway, you won't see downgrades from GOW3's cutscenes (that's how they are called when they are realtime and not cinematics like when they are CGI or pre-rendered) to the actual ingame gameplay! And by the way I was really impressed that GOW3 doesn't use LOD (Level Of Details) which is used to lower the poly counts and details ingame when the model is far away; play the game and look carefully when Cronos is holding Kratos by his two fingers, Kratos still makes facial expressions, his muscles stil flex and he still got self shadows, not like another game which uses a shameful LOD trick even at 2 meters in front of the main chracter ( the darkness trick ;) ) to hide its flaws and to only render what is two step forward !

[Redempteur]

seriously dance , don't talk about things you don't know ..

Replay mode and game mode is the same thing ..same engine, same models , same effects same everything ...

You can take pictures in BOTH modes and they are identical ...

you obviously don't have wipeout HD ..so please stop trying to downplay the game it's technical master piece ..1080p 60fps .with all effects no slowdowns .. that's just facts and what's more fury added even more effects ..

Next time do some research before taking cr*p about a game you don't have..

[i_am_interested]

im a GOW fan but you guys are delusional

where did SSM say they were used STRICTLY to hide loading?

because here's a quote from SSM

"however some scenes were just to epic to run real time and thus are recorded videos."

RAM BUDGET

the reason you cant tell the difference between real-time and pre-rendered in engine is because there are NO OVER THE TOP special effects during its pre-rendered scenes like whats being done in alan wake

some of you guys dont even realize that there's no loading going on during pre-rendered cutscenes in uncharted 2 and possibly GOW3, its during those areas of gameplay where youre playing in a tight tunnel/corridor that the loading is going on in the background

what do you guys even think too epic means? its not CPU and i doubt its GPU's power, its most likely the GPUs ram

[divideby0]

I dont think there ever was a question about this

[divideby0]

^ to the DA...post the linky where it was stated that the game was entirely done with the games engine....
look at the diff between the gameplay and cinematics....(not graphically wise, the setup/environments)

[Mo0eY]

Murdertrolls? Zero 007? N4PS3G? Wrathman? GiantEnemyCrab? Halo3 MLG Pro? Alpha-Male22? Where you at fellas?

Sad that bots are so hyped up for flashlights, tractors, shadow monsters, and CGI.

[A change in the wind]

ROFL. I guess they didn`t "notice" this article. Don`t worry bots, this will be pounded into your tiny, feeble, weak little minds for days to come.

[PirateThom]

Why are people using the "other games do it" as some sort of defence and only listing PS3 games?

Similarly, the PS3 games allow you to check pre-rendered vs real time cutscenes, if you can change a visual aspect of the character, it tends to remain if the cutscene is real time and will disappear if the scene is prerendered, it's very easy to check and, usually, there's not a HUGE difference between the two, it entirely comes down to filters or scope as being reason for the change to pre-renders.

The biggest difference here is that, unlike Alan Wake and Forza 3, the PS3 games AREN'T using higher resolution models, the base models are all the same.

[keyserhitman]

someone with a little bit of knowledge.. great stuff

[Enjoi915111]

ummmm...uncharted 2 did the same.....ummm uncharted 2 is my favorite game......ps3 fangrannies need to grow the F up.....just go buy a xbox if your so into commenting on the xbox 24/7.....damn

seriously n4ps3

[megacheak]

You're wrong. Most games have different character models for the game and the story scenes. And that's fine, why burden the hardware with additional polygons, which nobody would see if you can spend those resources on something else. With regard to "the PS3 games AREN'T using higher resolution Models", here is an example - heavenly sword. Detailing the characters between the game and cut-scenes differs greatly. Plus, many games, the number of polygons varies from a distance. Forza 3 - clearly a bad example, during a race and replay using the same model. During the photo-mode and exhibition uses more high-polygon models (such things are applied in GT). All games use various tricks, this is called optimization. After all, if somewhere something can be simplified, without loss of quality, then in another place you can build the missing quality.

[DaTruth]

I was in all these articles and never posted a thing, but Heavenly Sword???

Not exactly our go-to guy in graphical discussions!

[shadow2797]

Finally, someone else gets it.

Megacheak, PirateThom was specifically talking about Uncharted 2, God of War III, and MGS4. The three games that people are trying to throw around as a counter-argument. What people don't understand is that prerendered isn't the big deal here, it's the fact that Alan Wake has different high-rez models for cutscenes.

Heavenly Sword hasn't been in the graphical discussion for years. Clearly PirateThom wasn't talking about all PS3 exclusives.

Uncharted 2's cutscenes use the same in-game models. As does God of War III, and MGS4. Prerendered or not isn't really relevant to this discussion. It's about high-rez vs. in-game assets, but no one seems to grasp this.

[megacheak]

He clearly said - "the PS3 games AREN'T using higher resolution models, the base models are all the themselves." That is, he talked about the PS3 in general. By the way in cutscenes Uncharted 2, character models other. About God of War 3 will not tell, has not yet played, but again, most likely going to switch to a better model of the characters in the cutscenes. I'm not saying that all this - pre-rendered videos, it may well be realtime. This is what most games regardless of platform.

[PirateThom]

I was actually talking specifically about the games people were bringing up, like Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, MGS4 and GoW3. I should have made that clear, obviously all PS3 games aren't using the same methods, but those games, in particular, are.

[Convas]

I don't remember the Devs saying anything about the cinematics being anything else. Just a few radicals touting AW as the best thing since sliced bread.

This shows just how RABID some of the folks on this site are. Just go look at the open zone. I mean, if I didn't know any better, I'd think some of those guys have blood vendettas against people like Zero 007. Hell, some of them probably do, which shows just how CRAZY this whole fanboy war has become.

Anyways, I like what I've seen, and I'm still buying this game. Peace out Haters! :)

[JTX]

It's only an issue for jealous fan boys who can't find any thing else to complain about.

[keyserhitman]

lol nah im kidding
keep it up i cant stop laughing

replays.. Dance you naughty devil you, your killing me.. lol

also @ i_am_interested..im pretty sure it doesnt use pre-rendered cutscenes..
http://www.playstationunive...

[i_am_interested]

really?

Most GOWIII cutscenes won’t be pre-rendered

MOST? not ALL? MOST?

like i said, there were a few scenes in GOW where THEY DIDNT HAVE ENOUGH RAM to do them in real time

its just that GOWs prerendered scenes are still in-engine with in-game assets and in-game post processing effects

they dont look pre-rendered because they didnt try to pull off graphical effects not found in the game itself like alan wake is doing

[shadow2797]

Why in the world does i_am_interested have disagrees?

Was it the RAM comment?

If you pay attention, the prerendered cutscenes in God of War III all involve more environment than was loaded when you were just playing (before the cutscene started). In order to display that kind of epicness, the PS3 would have to load in that environment before it could display it in the cutscene. Instead, SSM uses the prerendered cutscene to load the next playable level so that you won't have to wait on a loading screen.

There are prerendered cutscenes in GOWIII, but they look EXACTLY the same as the in-game cutscenes and gameplay.

On the other hand, Alan Wake does not. Alan Wake uses high-rez character models and effects in their cutscenes that you won't see in the actual game. Remedy said it themselves.

[TheObserver]

The PS3 people called you 360 guys out for claiming that to be IN GAME while it is CGI. Don't suddenly switch to "Other games do that too!" Moving the goal post much?

PS: Haha funny, now people that claim super in game graphics are no where to be found.

Either way, Crysis 2 will set a new absolute graphics standard once again. My PC will probably handle it on Medium if they didn't up the bar too high.

[keyserhitman]

there you go...

[Convas]

Errrr, WRONG!

Go read the forum post again. Remedy said "All of the cinematics have been rendered by our game engine, though. It's just that we use more high-resolution models because the camera tends to be a lot closer to the characters than during gameplay, and we throw in a bunch of post-processing to make things look very pretty."

You guys need to get out your spectacles and make sure you read with understanding. :)

[Thehierophant]

Exactly like games like God Of War 3 :lol:

[i_am_interested]

WRONG

not EXACTLY like GOW3

most of god of war 3's cut scenes are in game

but for the few that arent (pre-rendered) theyre still in engine with in game assets with in game post processing effects

i cant wait to see this character in game - http://i240.photobucket.com...

^ ill wait for a "behind the bullet" on that

[monkeybizz]

Seriously people, stop comparing graphics a vs b.
Yes GOW3 looked amazing and was a damn fine game.
But having some pre rendered cut scenes in Alan Wake, is not going to detract from the experience. Fair enough that people blew their loads a little early, but everybody gets excited about games.

I love my ps3 juggernauts, but i also cant wait for SC:S and AW now :D

[horndog]

Kratozz only lasted 7 hours. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOl. What an epic fail. That's the best you guys get this year. 7 hours of teh kratoz. LOooooool. Back to watching blurays droids. Lol. WEll just play conviction, Alan Wake and Reach.

BTW Alan will probably score higher than GoW3 because only the best games come to the xbox. Still no ME2 huh? Poor droids sitting at home with their thumbs in their a$$ waiting for the next 7 hour experience to come out. LOl

[JonnyBigBoss]

This is pretty obvious if you have seen the ingame graphics. They're good but not THAT good.

[despair]

the thing about GOW3 is that if you put on a costume and play the game you will see where there are in game cut scenes and prerendered ones. So until someone does that they will not know how much is prerendered as i heard its not much other than the really insane cut scenes.(haven't gotten around to it yet)

UC2 just like GOW3 didn't use CGI but all cut scenes were from the game engine and of course many will be pre rendered but the ones while playing obviously are not and they and the fact that the gameplay areas compare graphically to the Cut Scenes show the true extent of the near universal praise of the graphics.

Alan Wake while will have the gameplay(its Remedy after all) doesn't look like it will hold up as well in transitions between Cut scenes and Gameplay which while disappointing is nothing new but the touting of the game being dynamic and engaging like UC2 is why this is a concern as the visual difference can take from the story if many quick changes take place.

oh and for the record the visuals in FF13 while in control of the characters,environments and in battle is nothing short of astounding so even with CG effects(which are even more amazing) the shift back to Game Graphics is not a problem (got faked a few times with the CG and Game Graphics).

We'll have to wait and see with Alan Wake, but here's hoping for another great game and an eventual PC release.

[IHateYouFanboys]

nothing about Uncharted 2 is dynamic, it plays out exactly the same way every playthrough. its the opposite of dynamic, its all heavily scripted.

[rjgbyrne]

If they hide loading or whatever, I don't care so long as they look good. In fact, PS3 would be better able to handle prerendered scenes in 1080P to make it look like they were real-time. I have played all and even slight jumps into the action reveal where this is captured but it in no way takes away from the game, story, playability or even the spectacle of a great game. Remedy is being honest here, as has Naughty Dog and Santa Monica Stuidios.

[Michael-Jackson]

Shame.

[Convas]

Your death was unwarranted. You should've stayed off of those drugs. Massive Talented wasted. Shame indeed.

[Hellsvacancy]

Talent?

[Michael-Jackson]

:-(

[Tito08]

It's the dumbass Naughty Bear you have on display, which is a stupid failure!!!! Last but not least, Respect to the King, moron!!!!

[Convas]

You BASTARD! Don't you dare say that about Naughty Bear. That game'll win GOTY 20 TIMES OVER. YOU HEAR ME!! Twenty. Times. OVER.

Damn, fanboys, can't even see a masterpiece sitting in front of them ... mumble mumble.

[Tito08]

The masterpiece-of-bear-crap it is, it'll be game of the year, of course, in the garbage department!!!!!!

[Kriller]

Amazing.

[IHateYouFanboys]

its funny that PS3 fanboys on here pretend that EVERYTHING we've been shown of Alan Wake is now confirmed to be a pre-rendered cutscene lol.

there have been dozens of in-game gameplay with a person controlling it videos online for months, and the graphics in them look incredible too. sure, not AS incredible as the cutscenes, but model swapping is common practice in video games. you guys dont really think that the cars in GT5 are going to look as good as the ones in all the specifically chosen for release screenshots do, do you? Gran Turismo have done high resolution model swaps for replays and photo mode since the original on the Playstation, and they are doing it for GT5 again. why? because the in-game model looks great for in-game, and the high-res model looks even better for when the player can zoom the camera and pause/rewind etc. Forza does it too.

and to some of the people above - yes, Uncharted 2 does it too. deny it all you want, but the Drake/Elena/etc character models seen in most of the cutscenes are NOT the same ones that you control. you only need to look at the pores on their faces etc in the cutscenes that are noticably absent in-game to see this.

Alan Wake still looks better than any other game this generation from the in-game videos, and i was expecting them to swap in higher-resolution models, so this isnt even news to me. cant wait for the game.

on another topic, i agree with the people praising Santa Monica for not adding any post-processing and higher-res character models in to God of War 3. personally i prefer the immersion that you get from having the whole game looking the same, and god of war 3 was a prime example of that. would it have looked better if they swapped out to high res models and added post processing? definitely, 100%. would it have made the game better? to some, yes. to me? no.

[webeblazing]

if this game isnt in HD will it still count as the best looking game as u say or are you saying only 4 consoles.

[IHateYouFanboys]

Alan Wake is 720p, thats HD.

and even if it wasnt, just because a game isnt 720p doesnt mean it doesnt look good. resolution <> graphics. Splinter Cell Conviction looks better than 99% of PS3/360 games and its not even 720p, going by the demo.

and lets be clear - i dont think its the best looking game. no console game this generation can come close to Crysis on a good PC.

[webeblazing]

pc will always have the best do pc even have gens. lol i always thought they just set bars and keep it moving.

[bviperz]

Sorry but I've never seen any statement from PP stating GT5 uses higher res models for the replays. Don't even think the game is released yet.

[drtanuyn]

what the f'*# are you chatting B$ for!!
gt5 using higher res models for the replays..GTFO and dont come back!!

hahahahah

[ThaGeNeCySt]

so was blimblim bs'n when he said this game was on par with some of the best of this generation or what??

[abi980]

AW is looking better than anything on PS3, starting with blocky Uncharted and greyzone 2. More on screen polygons better MSAA, 1080p graphics, 360 has the tools and we've seen it over the years. PS3 still taking a beating.

[meatnormous]

1080p upscale maybe, but the 360 can't do 1080p native. Look it up.

[eagle21]

360 has the tools to RROD. :)

[ReBurn]

This is news?

[ImmortalLegend]

Graphics only do so much for a game and some people have a hard time understanding that. As long as this game offers good gameplay than it's a buy for me. Great time to be a 360 and PS3 owner!

[ReBurn]

I completely agree. You don't play graphics, so gameplay is important as well.

[webeblazing]

i agree 2 but i want both. i want my moneys worth i want all dev 2 bust they butt for my dollar (no half stepping). but in the end if its fun im down.

[Obama]

Just a day ago all the bots were posting cgi screens left and right claiming how great the game looks. It's all smoke and mirrors. Just like Milo. :P

[Primetimebt]

The game play will will look like most 360 games 540P and the cut screens in 720p...

[Enjoi915111]

Is this a ps3 game????? seems the ps3 owners are more interested in alan wake then the 360 owners you guys must be jealous....just shows what fanboys really have no life.....190 rabid ps3 fanboi comments on a alan wake a 360 game. no exclusive ps3 article ends up this way ever......just 360 article.....if you guys are so interested in the 360 go buy a xbox hope it doesnt rrod and grow the F up....and get used to the ps3 being in 3rd.

psnid - Enjoi187 add if you want to play some MAG

seriously though these ps3 fanbois give sony a bad rep....more mature people on PSN....ahahahha the dumbest comment ever

[Silly gameAr]

You know what's worst than 190 PS3 fanboy comments? 191 people complaining about fanboy comments. It's just as annoying. By the way. Stop acting like 360 fanboys don't exist and are above trolling articles because that's just not true.

Instead of complaining about the fanboys, ignore them. Save us all the whining please?

[boopis]

Most of you people on this website are losers. Im sorry but its so true. Grow up. Let's say Alienware and Falcon-NW both make a computer at the same price, and the Alienware gets better benchmarks. Does that make the Falcon-NW computer bad? NO! So what if you have to settle for a little less quality graphics, the Xbox 360 plays games and that's what counts right? I only have a PS3, but it doesn't mean I'm going to be a loser like most of you and put someone else's choice down. Yikes just grow up. Oh and i love the comments that say "this is what those xbox fanboys get for bashing our exclusives" PSHHH the ps3 fanboys here are 100 times worse

[Enjoi915111]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

talk about a bunch of lonely losers

[mxrider2]

and what does that make you they are lonely losers together and you are what a lonely loser with nobody...

[i3eyond the Circle]

The game is already 720p 4XAA and its engine can pump even more for cutscenes.

So are the fanboys flaunting some victory because the 360 has a more advanced and flexible engine?

Look at the kind of game Alan Wake is then look at your Uncharted 2

Open environments, exploration, and real time catastrophe that you actually have to interact with and not just scripted action followed by scripted gameplay. Ex. UC2 Drake will do almost everything over the top under the script for that given moment...Alan Wake you have full control and it is your own reflex and skill that will get you through it.

Just like most Ps3 boys they're stuck inside this paper bag and are short sighted.

Most games do this anyway..Alan Wake...It only does it better.

[Biggest]

And it begins again. Now it's an open environment (new way to say open world, though Remedy says it isn't), exploration based (even in the dark with the police chasing you), catastrophe (more like a dream world. but shadow people are catastrophic if ever real). Thankfully no one else has jumped on this new hype train. I am open for more laughs if others want to ride this one though.

[HappyTrigger]

Will Alan Wake look just as good as the recent trailer?

[GeoramA]

The cut-scenes will, but not the gameplay.

[IHateYouFanboys]

seeing as though most of the trailer is in-game gameplay, yes it will.

[able sir]

This is ridiculous the game looks good just because some of the cut scenes are pre rendered does it make it look any less amazing.
The game-play footage is what matters and it looks great. Admit it guys this game has the potential to be very good just like me2 god of war 3 and heavy rain are good. The only people who do not see how amazing these games are in their own right is a fan boy, which sadly accounts for a large portion of this site and the internet.

[able sir]

The game-play in the trailer is the game-play from the game the cut scenes pre rendered or not are from the game guys

[AngryTypingGuy]

You guys are making way too big of a deal of this. Who cares whether the cut scenes are pre-rendered or in game. As long as everything looks pretty, that's all that matters. And all of the in-game shots I've seen have looked great so far.

Of course, the graphics are the icing on the cake. I just hope the game play and storytelling are top notch. Hopefully it won't be a game billed as AAA, only to turn out to be a mediocre let-down like M.A.G.

[mxrider2]

MAG was not a let down dude I am almost a 4 time vet with almost 140 hrs into the game.... it doesnt get boring and there is so much action all the time and the objective can be different at anytime during the game it keeps you on the lookout and ready to fing own.... In mag you feel so epic all the time

[AngryTypingGuy]

I'm glad you liked MAG. Maybe I should clarify. I'm not saying it's not a bad game, I've never even played it. But it was billed as AAA. Game Informer gave it a 7 and it has a 76 on Metacritic. That has to be some sort of a let down.

[bunfighterii]

If you want to see 'in-game' graphics its pretty simple.

go to ign.com, and look at screenshots. They've got a bunch of in games ones there and they show off the graphics to be pretty darn good.

[swansong]

All those PS3 games like Uncharted 1&2 God of war 3 do the same thing.
Alan Wake will be so much better than anything on the PS3.Gotta love stirring the pot.PS3 and all Sony fanboys will be pwned by NATAL.

[Tito08]

Most Xbox fanboys like you say the same thing "this xbox exclusive is better than every single PS3 game" please don't be so stupid, it's a new IP, I'll also get the game, but I wouldn't come with such a stupid comment like yours, so let's be honest, better wait for the game to be released first!!!!!

[RabeloNext]

UC2 use the same tech.... so what is the real problem???? Just because is a 360 Game

[theunleashed64]

lol hahahahahahahahahha I KNEW IT!!!!! :)

[cmrbe]

are idiots. All MGS4 cutscene are scripted in-game graphics assets. You change costumes and you get will see those costumes in MGS4 cutscenes.

On topic. I am not surprise at all. Even the original trailer didn't look that great. Both U2 and GOW3 smoked it even with real time.

I really don't know why x360 fans were hyping AW graphics so much. You guys must have low standards.

[Rageanitus]

do you really know the difference between in game, pre scripted real time, and pre rendered video

alot of he ps3 games nowadays use pre scripted real time events.... now the xbox fanboys are making it seems like its equivlent to a prerendered cg scene.

[Figboy]

a few clarifications though:

MGS4 doesn't use any Pre-Rendered cutscenes. anyone who's actually played the game would know that whatever Octocamo/Masks Snake is wearing in game will be displayed in each cutscene. if you shake the controller, you will deactivate the Octocamo in real time, and it will revert to it's standard skin.

also, you can press UP on the Digital Pad, and zoom into the cutscene, and use the analog stick to scroll around the image. i do this to look at all the details in the character models during cutscenes.

for Uncharted 2, they did use pre-rendered video, consisting 100% of in game assets not touched up by further polishing and post-processing. the character models are NOT swapped out for higher poly models. the Drake in the cutscene is the same Drake in game, down to the last detail.

for God of War 3, the same thing applies. Santa Monica have already gone on record as saying that they didn't need to touch up the scenes with more post-processing. i think the reason why some of the scenes (in particular the opening scenes with Poseidon that have pre-rendered cinemas), look so unbelievable, is because they are probably running them at 24FPS like film. i don't think they are running the videos at 60FPS, like the game.

as for Alan Wake? it looks great. i think this should be a lesson to 360 fanboys (i stress fanboys, not fans), jumping to conclusions and making gifs of things before they know all the facts.

i'm looking forward to Alan Wake, because it's looking like a great survival horror game. i haven't actually watched the new trailer, because i'm trying to avoid too many potential spoilers, like what happened with Heavy Rain.

Alan Wake's visuals are genuinely impressive, even if i don't think they have bested what the PS3 has been producing.

[cmrbe]

Its funny people saying that MGS4 uses pre rendered CGI lol!. I always have fun zooming around in custscenes and with the Mark 2 in briefing's. It goes to show how pathetic some haters really are that are claiming that yet they haven't even played MGS4.

U2 definately uses pre prendered custscenes sometimes because when i changed my skin to Gengis Khan it dosen't show up in the video. It reverts back to nates skin. These are only for the long cutscenes though. For short ones like when Nate was climbing up to put in the key in the temple it is using real time in game assets like in MGS4.

The difference is i think ND used pre rendered vids for long custscenes because of faceial and body animation which is important in story telling. In the short custscenes you see mouths moving but its very scripted and clunky. If you play the MP cop it uses the same method in using scripted realtime custscenes. Not vid. To be honest i really don't see much of a difference.

As for Alan Wake. It does look great but to rate it as high as GOW 3 or U2 is a joke. I honestly didn't see what the big deal was in the first place. From what i have seen Remedy use the dark very well to hide imprefections.

[hesido]

There was only one instance of a pre-rendered cut-scene I can remember, the big army round-up on the river. It was the only cut-scene you couldn't zoom in, it was massive but without a single frame-drop.

Still, very impressive, real-time cut-scenes really help the continuity sense.

[i3eyond the Circle]

"Since this keeps popping up every time the cutscenes are discussed, let me try to give a bit more thorough answer even though it's not my area of expertise. We could've done the cinematics "realtime in-game" -style too if we would have wanted to but there's a few good reasons why videos (rendered with the game engine, of course) were a good choice for us:

We can do the editing in a software that's dedicated to it instead of building some sort of editing and camera management system in our own toolset. We have our own engine so we don't always have the luxury of using pre-existing tools.

We can do transitions like crossfades (which are notoriously difficult in real time graphics since basically you would need to render the picture twice and blend them together).

We can do post-processing on the video if needed without the need to implement said effects in the game engine. That being said, the post-processing capabilities of our engine are pretty awesome but it can be a bit silly to do additional features to the graphics engine if said features are only to be used in some cutscenes. It's not economical for a company of this size.

With video, we are not limited by the streaming of the game world. Terrain, objects, characters, textures etc. need to be read from the DVD into the memory before they can be displayed. With video, we can do cutscenes that show several distant locations in a quick succession without us having to worry about the time it takes to stream in a new location.

And as previously mentioned, we can do things like streaming in a completely new game location while the video is playing so the player won't see any boring loading screens when we want to switch the location.

We can pretty much ignore most of the potential memory or performance issues with the hires characters and textures when using video. It's much much faster to produce hi-resolution content when you don't have to worry about making it optimal.

And runtime memory is very precious. If we can avoid keeping hires characters in the memory, we can make rest of the game look better.

---

I hope this clarifies our choice of going with videos instead of "in-game" cines a bit. And I do stress that it is a choice: what works for Alan Wake is not the right approach for many other games. We chose videos because it was a better option for us (meaning Remedy and you, the players) because it results to a better looking game (both the playable bits and the cinematics) and less work for our programmers and artists. Of course videos are not an entirely problem-free approach either but game development is full of choices like these."

Fanboys make me laugh. This game uses in game assets for its cutscenes to be created and the pre rendering will only make our experience better.

Pre Rendered using the same engine....not pre rendered using CGI...we do understand that this engine is BUILT and optimised for the 360 so while the game can't run its cutscnes in real time....the 360 is still the catalyst for these amazing visuals.

[Inside_out]

Great post...Alan Wake will change the way games are made this generation...Kudos to M$ and especially Remedy for bringing what no doubt will be a masterpiece...The level of detail and atmosphere in this game is unmatched on any console this gen...Simply incredible...

Haters will hate...That latest trailer just blew the PS3 and it's fanboys into the weeds....Can't wait to play this game...

[Jaybad54]

You do realise you sound like an idiot, right?

[cb4g]

Thank you for being one of the few rational posters here. I've almost had it with these idiots ruining the forums with their ridiculous fanboy wars.

I, for one, cannot wait for this game to come out, it looks fresh and Remedy seem to be trying something different with the episodic format. If it doesn't look as good as Uncharted 2 or GoWIII so be it. As long as the immersion factor is there, I'm playing the game.

[Convas]

A fresh breath of rationality! +Bubbles Good Sir.

[4Sh0w]

Alan Wake looks amazing whether its cutscenes or the actual gameplay, its still one of the best looking games on any console.

[yakuzakazuya]

Some fanboys were overhyping AW as the game that will beat PS3 exclusives in graphics but I've always known they were just jealous of games like U2 and GOW3. After Metro 2033, SC:Conviction, Halo: Reach failed to reach PS3 visuals, AW was their only ammo left.

I'm still getting AW, just because I'm crazy about the horror/thriller genre.

[XDF]

Xboxfans to PS3 Fanboys.

Yawn, I will be getting the Highly cinematic pre-render Alan Wake on May 18. Ps3 fanboys can get there Mario Kart Kiddy Ripped-off game in May.

Xbox 360 owners, rejoice.

[mikeslemonade]

Alan Wake is just another "Splinter Cell". The 360 has been maxed out since 2007. Mass Effect 2 only stretched it out marginally but the fact remains is the 360 hasn't stepped it up another level.

All the critics who have played Alan Wake say it's a good game but not great. And normally critics hype all games up because they are so greatful to play a game before release, for attention, and so they can play more pre-released games based on their positive track record.

[XDF]

What Critics? any link?

Sonydefenseforce.com???

[HappyTrigger]

May I also have the link?

Thank you!

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

I thought those graphics in some scenes from Alan Wake was In Game, but actually was CGI?

EDIT: I read it.

'' It's just that we use more high-resolution models''

So, it's altered, thought it was the Cinematics 100% processing In Game, but it's altered.......

Hmm....

[XDF]

If you read the article correctly, it is pre-rendered using the in-game engine like alot of games these days. "All of the cinematics have been rendered by our game engine, though"

[i3eyond the Circle]

These cutscenes already output at 720p how much more touch do you think Remedy actually added?

A devleoper went into futher detail in my post above.

NOWHERE does it say they upped the resolution in character models in cutscenes. How is that possible anyway when the engine itself is built and optimized for the 360.

Basically all the cutscenes are is raw power of the 360 utilizing this engine....while the cutscenes play textures, lighting, the entire alan wake environement is loading.

The cutscenes represent what the 360 would produce if Alan Wake revolved around QTEs, and linear scripted events.

What games are like those again?

[Richdad]

Remedy has done character reveal sequences in real time. Since they only had to render character face or small areas they streamed more texture and put a lot of post processing effect and did the sequence in real time.

THe cut scene are in real time i.e done by 360's hardware solely.

[unknownhero1123]

ah

*walks out quickly*

[SDF Repellent]

I am sure all the PS3 fanboys bought a copy of Uncharted 2 by now. There is a "Making of..Documentary' that you can unlock. In the documentary, the developers said the cinematics are video files using the game engine. Ummm, isn't that the same as ALan Wake? So what is all the fuzz about?

[yakuzakazuya]

The difference being:

In U2 pre-rendered cutscenes, Naughty Dog uses the same character models and post processing effects you see during the gameplay.

In AW pre-rendered cutscenes, Remedy uses a more detailed character models and post-processing effects that you will not see during the gameplay.

When UC2 switches from cutscenes to actual gameplay, the difference is minimal/seamless. When AW switches from cutscenes to actual gameplay, the difference is noticeable. This is why some people were not convinced when they saw the newest AW trailer that everything was in real-time.

So basically, U2 real-time gameplay graphics > AW real-time gameplay graphics.

Hope this helps to clarify things.

[i3eyond the Circle]

So you believe Nate Drakes 37k polygon character model carries on to gameplay?

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't there.

37k Nate Drake
37-47k Chloe

When you pre record a video things like textures loading, a.i. and physics take no toll on the hardware... It is created full throttle without the worry of regular real time limitations. Just look at speech from a UC2 character in a cutscene then look at it real time. They're just adding more stuff because they can. Don't act like all stupid as if a majority of developers haven't been doing this.

"Naughty Dog uses the same character models and post proccessing effects you see during the gameplay"

Alan Wake does the same. Where does it say the developers use different character models?

[yakuzakazuya]

Did you read the article at all?

Alan Wake developers respond to the in-game graphics debate:

"All of the cinematics have been rendered by our game engine, though. It's just that we use more high-resolution models because the camera tends to be a lot closer to the characters than during gameplay, and we throw in a bunch of post-processing to make things look very pretty."

For comparison, Alan Wake character model polygons is 10k - 20k:
http://forum.alanwake.com/s...

Nathan Drake in the first Uncharted is 25k - 30k:
http://www.ripten.com/2008/...

The HIGHEST Alan Wake character LOD is 20k.
The LOWEST Nathan Drake character LOD is 25k.

Clearly, Uncharted has more character detail in realtime gameplay than Alan Wake.

PS: I am using Uncharted:DF as comparison. We all know UC2 looks BETTER than UC:DF.

[NnT3291]

Graphics are not all about character model

[yakuzakazuya]

Of course graphics is not all about character models.

Fortunately U2 also has beautiful hi-res textures in great variety, beautiful DOF, insane physics calculations, huge draw distances, crazy amounts of animations, great AI for enemies, and multiplayer to boot!

U2 has proven itself with plenty of awards from fellow game designers. I'll wait and see whether Alan Wake will be the same.

[PLASTICA-MAN]

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News...
http://www.vgchartz.com/for...

"Uncharted 2 now features in-game rendered cutscenes, this is different from the first because the first actually had them pre-rendered with in-game assets and then played back to the user, this on the other hand is rendered in real-time."
And in another article they stated that Uncharted 1 cutscenes use more effects: AA, post-processing ... and in Uncharted 2 they didn't add anything to the cutscenes !
Enough said !

[NnT3291]

Uncharted 2 uses pre-rendered cutscene too

[Amiroo]

90% GOD of WAR III was pre renderred cinematic cutscene but this is not a problem , who cares ?

[artsaber]

I mean I know it looks phenomenal, but for you to believe that 90 percent of the game looks like pre-rendered cutscene is one hell of a compliment! I know it is awesome but good LORD! You must REALLY be impressed to believe that!

[n4gno]

lol.

tell him to stop lying to himself, it's not good for his mental health.

[jameelinus]

What they basically said is:

"If we do a close-up on our characters, it would look bad so we didn't have a choice but to do pre-rendered cinematics. Oh, btw, we did it with the in-game engine, but still, they are pre-rendered."

Wait for the 'disagree' buttons to be clicked.

I'm still playing this game but there goes what the 360 can do, which isn't much--what I mean is that it's limited.

Boo-hoo. Lot of hurt feelings coming through.

[SDF Repellent]

How about you wait for the agree buttons from your fellow PS3 fanboys in this 300 plus posts article.

They will surely be coming soon, don't worry.

""If we do a close-up on our characters, it would look bad so we didn't have a choice but to do pre-rendered cinematics. Oh, btw, we did it with the in-game engine, but still, they are pre-rendered."

Still, UC2 cinematic is in-game engine, but still, they are pre-rendered, so Uncharted 2 must be a bad game then. FACEPALM

"Lot of hurt feelings coming through. "

LMAO, hurt feelings, hahaha, we X360 fans will patiently wait for Alan Wake - May, Splinter Cell Conviction - next week, Halo Reach Beta - may, and Crackdown 2 in the summer.

Oh, our feelings are hurt while PS3 fans can play (April - September) ????

[jameelinus]

haha

I have a modded 360. You pay for the games, I don't. I burn my own games, which also means I play them before you get your release copy.

disagree clicks coming.

[jameelinus]

I feel so immature right now...

I can't help it: http://canuckjihad.files.wo...

[maxcer]

lol well maybe if you could afford your own games you would a have a better appreciation for all developers efforts. all your MOD post proved is that you don't have the funds to support your gaming hobby.

[n4gno]

Poor sdf rendething, confused by in game cinematics and pre rendered pc that only ms fanboyz was hopping to be for real :)

lol@ your list of games, when the best are on ps3 since 2 years (2009 was not even funny, you had nothing), and after heavy rain, mag, god of war month....it's probably good to you to be in such denial, but please, don't embarrassed yourself with that kind of jokes.

[jameelinus]

are you going to cry, maxcer?

you're just mad you pay $50-60 while I pay nothing.

want a gerber you, little baby?

i'm currently burning the file. you have to wait a few more days.

[maxcer]

keep burning those discs. maybe one day you earn enough to make a decent living. until then keep cashing your welfare checks

[commodore64]

I looked at the recent trailer and had thought to myself that this was one game that easily trumped all that I had seen and played on my ps3.

The AW trailers really squashed all preconceived notions I had that the ps3 was somehow superior.

Now with this announcement, I have to conclude that, just like the prerendered KZ2 and UC2 cutscenes, the actual gameplay won't look *quite* as polished as the trailer.

Still, I'll wait to see the reviews, before I make the mistake of jumping on the nasty troll n4g bandwagon and poo poo anything on 360 as quick as humanly possible.
... just wish my fellow ps3 'gamers' would do the same.

The behaviour and schadenfreude in here is so terribly disgusting and disappointing.

[nix]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[WengYong]

I thought it looked pretty damn good too man. But with any game on any console you have to wait till you play it yourself, not even reviewers can change what you think of the game, example Modern Warfare 2 got better reviews than BC2, but I think BC2 is far superior.

Alan Wake will be awesome, and instead of wishing PS3 gamers would do the same just stay anti-fanboyish period, no matter what console you prefer :

[Whoooop]

Why is it so difficult for 360 fanatics to grasp what Alan Wake is doing and will do with cut-scenes that differentiates from the most recent great looking PS3 exclusives??

I wonder if they really aren't understanding or they are just not acknowledging it for the sake of their..... pride??? Beats me.

I keep reading some of their comments and I get dizzy rolling me eyes.

[ikral]

So what if its prerendered? Offcourse, that means they let people believe its ingame graphics nearly till release, but at least they said it before. I personally think that X360 games do not have to compete to PS3 exclusives graphically, but with fun factor aka playability. So what if my friend have a car faster than mine? That does not mean i have to race with him and crash. Got my point? I believe Remedy will make a great game, and it is not important that it has better graphics than Uncharted 2. It matters only to "people" whjo really dont care about gaming, but stupid fanboy wars.

[chickenlegs9]

alright?not sure about aw at all anyway?yeah looks real pretty,but houses/combineharvesters not knocking mr wake over???not bashing the graphics/cutscenes but the GAMEPLAY looks like alone in the dark/silent hill...which are both forgetful games.gameplay all the way for me...just have to wait and see wont i.

[NeloAnjelo]

I smell fanboys and trolls... loads of them flocking to this article to post retarded comments... beware, you have been warned.

just gimme the game already. We have all waited long enough. I don't care if looks good, once it looks decent for this gen. I am interested in the gameplay and story. This game seems very "Silent Hill-esque" and I can't wait to play it.

Controls, Story Gameplay, emmersion and graphics... Yes uncharted 2 may have beeen the best to combine these. We all know this, stop arguing and wait until you play the game for yourselves... sheesh!

[chickenlegs9]

well its getting released eary now,not long to go...where are the reviews???

[WengYong]

EDIT: Man I dont care, game is gunna be awesome!!

[The Simple Truth]

Flop out bots!

[4Sh0w]

I don't know why some want to act as if Alan Wake is the only game to use prerendered cutscenes using the game engine. It happens alot actually, some of the most impressive games this gen use it, including UC2 and GoW3, I mean dev's just want to sharpen the game a bit whenever possible and this saves resources, otherwise devs would not use it and do everything in-game, with no prerendering at all but if the 360 dev does it then somehow its a major flaw when its easy to see Alan Wake gameplay IS visually stunning by any of todays standards for console gaming.

This was confirmed by Naughty Dog's Lead Character Artist Richard Diamant:
"The in game models are the exact same models that are used in the cutscenes. They also use the exact same textures. There really is no difference between them at all. The only difference between the cutscenes and in game is a little higher quality lighting and shadowing. Hopefully not too noticeably different. We really wanted to keep the players immersed as much as possible. This meant using the same assets across the board."
http://www.qj.net/qjnet/pla...

*Now of course as the dev of his own game he will classify the difference as "a little higher quality" and for the most part I agree, and I think the same goes for Alan Wake, but of course were going to get a bunch of sonyfanboys swearing Alan Wake looks 'meh in-game, yeah right, whatever but again if they weren't trying to make the cutscenes in UC2 look better (which he admitted they did) to save resources then there would have been no need for PRERENDERED CUTSCENES IN UC2 at all, everything would be entirely in-game.

Bruno Velazquez of Sony Santa Monica:
“When I mentioned that GOW3 has no CG, I was referring to the fact that we do not have pre-renderd scenes that were created outside of the game engine, like GOW 1 and 2. In GOW3 all the cutscenes are created using our in-game engine, however some scenes were just to epic to run real time and thus are recorded videos. This is not the case for the majority of the cutscenes in the game which are mostly running real time. This way you can enjoy the bonus costumes for most of the cutscenes in the game, including those found in the E3 demo!”
http://www.playstationunive...

*lol now if this were on the 360, then I'm sure all you ps3 fanboys would be questioning his "majority" statement, either way none have a problem with a ps3 dev admitting they used "recorded videos"= prerendered cutscenes. And once again, if you could do the whole game in-game engine then there would be no need for any PRERENDERED CUTSCENES IN GOW3 at all, but atlas when a dev is already pushing so much on a console title somethings got to give, which means devs learn to manage resources efficiently while still making the game look as good as possible= prerendered cutscenes; because neither of these consoles have unlimited resources.

Now with all that said I don't have a problem with any of these "tricks" devs used to make the games look great, their all equally astonishing in their own right, but the level of hypocrisy on this site is just astonishing.

[Games4M - Rob]

The difference is that the xbox fanboys were claiming that the nicely touched up pre-rendered footage was actually gameplay footage with no touching up.

Uncharted 2 is out and is playable so everyone can see that cutscene or no cutscene the game is stunning, same with Killzone 2, same with GOW3.

Until Alan Wake is actually out and everyone can see what the ingame graphics look liek then people should stop hyping up the graphics because when somthing like this comes out then they start looking very silly.

[4Sh0w]

Your arguement simply doesn't hold water. xbox fanboys are excited about the game and just because the screenshots themselves were not gameplay footage doesn't mean the gameplay footage isn't stunning as well, again anything prerendered looks either slightly better and in some cases much better depending on the game itself, UC2 and GoW3 use prerendering to some extent and we have no complaints, as for Alan Wake its very similiar situation, the in-game graphics clearly look exceptional, many previews have said the same. I mean really some of you are just trying to downplay the game for any reason just because its on the 360, UC2 and GoW3 look amazing we all know that but stop pretending like we have only seen some super-enhanced screenshots of Alan Wake, there are multiple trailers of in-game graphics that looks amazing, the latest being on this thread:
http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/...

Yep, there it is and as you can see most rational gamers including some known ps3 fans know the game looks amazing.

Yet you sit there and say "Until Alan Wake is actually out", Why do we have to wait for it to come out?, the trailers justify anybody with eyes saying it looks superb so far, if I recall correctly we didn't have to wait until UC2 or GoW3 was out before we knew it was going to look phenominal, based solely on screenshots taken in part from now confirmed prerendered cutscenes and trailers, how is that any different from whats going on with Alan Wake. Oh I see what you mean, 360 fans should NOT get excited about the games coming to 360.

[Games4M - Rob]

Listen, im not talking about anybody's right to get excited about any game ro how the xbox isnt allowed to have good looking games or any of the other crap your ranting about so get off your butthurt soapbox.

Im simply saying that xbox fanboys (im not saying your one but there certainly are some around here) were whooping and jeering over supposed screenshots which have now been exposed as re-renders. Sure ive seen the trailers and yeah they look decent enough but its a lot of darkness and a lot of the pre-renders mixed in.

Now im also not saying that UC2 and Killzone are the pinnacle of visual excellence but they are games that are already out and so have nothing left to prove. Any fanboy (of either console)who shouts their mouth off saying that "X" unreleased game is better than "Y" released game is a bell-end because they cannot do a straight comparison and will only have trailers and touched up pre-renders to base their dumb-ass assumptions on.

But people went shouting their mouth off about how amazing Alan Wake looks based on the pre-renders and now they look silly. Thats not to say that it wont look good upon release but why make a d1ck of yourself before then ?

[n4gno]

4show, your cant' compare games with cut scenes made with graphic engine (just a little better than real game, like uncharted) and cut scene/videos clearly superiors to the game, like for alan wake.

stop lying to yourself, like ms fanboyz, you know now since more than 2 years that 360 can't compete with ps3 for graphics, physics, etc (cell).

[spinbot_lv1]

call me when the pre-rendered cutscenes in alan wake looks better than the gameplay graphics in the first uncharted

[mochi]

Ofcouse you know God of war 3 and Uncharted 2 have many many prerendered movie too?

[LTC]

.

[wissam]

Prerendered movies and so what. aren't all the games using this thing. and we got 6 pages of argument because of this. the game was in development for 5 years give it some chance for the love of god.

[Xfanboy]

Well anybody who has seen gameplay really can compare it to UC2!!
If the game is good know one can say anything!!!

[labwarrior]

And beats 99% of PC games also

The lighting and scale in PS3 titles looks like a joke comparing

[Omega6]

ROFL LMAO ROFL LMAO ROFL LMAO ROFL LMAO ROFL LMAO ROFL LMAO ROFL LMAO, PLEASE TELL ME ANOTHER JOKE.

[SuperStrokey1123]

By lighting i assume you mean the lighting similar to luigi's mansion right?

[DigitalAnalog]

It's amazing something like this can cause a lot of side-stepping in arguments. First off, this has nothing to deter me from appreciating and respecting the devs and the game itself?

But, apparently the issue at hand is going in all sorts of directions. From "haha, it's not in-game" and "ummmm, Uncharted 2 and GOWIII does this"

With all this tit-and-tat going about, it's not surprising to see the comments racking up tremendously. Let us put it this way:

Alan Wake's enhancement is more more attuned to that of RE5. I believe they both use in-game engine yet used enhancements in their "pre-rendered" cut scenes. Sure, there are PS3 exclusives that do this most notably GOWIII and Uncharted 2. The "key" difference here is that both of them don't use such an enhancement at least in GOWIII's case (if someone can clarify the issue with U2), the director EXPLICITLY said there is no difference nor trickery involved - what you see in-game and pre-rendered are EXACTLY THE SAME.

And yet, it's pathetic that fanboys will resort to "but-he-did-it-too" mentality. Give credit where credit is due, nobody is saying Alan Wake sucks nor does it's graphics (at least the like-minded people in this thread). It does what it does very good and all I see is nothing but fanboys getting themselves shot in the foot.

-Damn that was a long statement!

[aviator189]

342 comments?! It's like a news war here

[r4nger]

This isn't a war its a slaughter

sorry couldnt help myself xD

[ReBurn]

It is probably one of the most stupid flamewars this site has seen in a while. A 6 page argument over something that is common practice in the industry.

[Ninjaspeed313]

http://www.y8.com/animation...

[SRT4Chris401]

I would prefer that they didn't use hi-res ingame rendered scenes for the cut scenes. It's just really annoying jumping from the really toned downed gameplay engine, to seeing the nice one that devs got to use in development. I like it just the gameplay graphics for everything. It just takes away from the feeling of being in the game....

[AusWarrior]

Just playing the F'ing game. Games are for entertainment, not for 6 page arguments over the graphics. We all know it's going to look good; that's that. Pre-rendered cutscenes- all the better for the people that play it. Who gives a sh*t if there is a slight drop in quality between real-time and these cutscenes, it's for the developers to give us the utmost enjoyment and value out of this game. It's been in development for 5 years... just buy it and see how it plays. I miss the days how we could all talk about the upcoming games, not having a care in the world about all this crap.

[Dorwrath]

LOL you Sony fanboys are a joke.

I played Uncharted 2 on PS3. Nice looking game, great graphics. Will AW look as good, of course not. Who cares, still gonna be a great game.

You Sony Fanboys only say one thing. "Bet it doesn't look good as Uncharted 2." Jeez guys, the PS3 can do far more things, but you all make the PS3 look like it can only do one thing good and thats graphics. It can do far far more.

You Sony Fanboys preach on how more mature you are than Xbox users, you could have fooled me.

And why do you all come running to a 360 post? You guys always say the only reason a 360 fan is in a PS3 post is because they want the game so bad. I wonder why that is.

[El Nino]

i agree with 3 quarters of your post lol

both sets of fanboys are pretty much the same, just dont take no notice, 360 fanboys run into ps3 threads n ps3 fanboys run into xbox360 threads

i mean me, i'm more a ps3 kinda guy than 360, i still own a 360 because its got a great library, so i go into both sections of the site

i think what fuels the wars is because alot of people claim the 360 and ps3 are equal, there not. There isnt a game available on the 360 (shooter @ least) right now that looks better than KZ2 for example (Crysis 2 might change that). I always ask people to show me in-game video's to win there argument, and they never post the video's. I say Show me in-game footage (currently released, multiplat or exclusive on the 360) that looks better than KZ2, UC2 or GOW3. If you can, i'll hold my hands up, i dont really care to much about cut scenes n all the pre-rendered ish tbh, if the game looks great when i'm actually controlling it then thats good enough for me. You could have the sexiest cut-scenes in history but then in-game footage looks like a 16 bit game.

AND just because there isnt a game that looks like UC2 on the 360 it doesnt mean the 360 does cr@p graphics, they still look great. i believe you get what you pay for at the end of the day

/end rant

[n4gno]

You probably have forgotten all the real jokes of ms fanboyz since 2006, always downoplaying best games, always trying to lie to themself with the funny statement : "some bad multiplatforms games are (little) better on xbox, so, xbox is most powerfull"@lol.com

today is fair to see some guys smiling whith that news, after some fantards in denial was claiming alan wake would have better graphics than ps3 exclusives...based on videos made with powerfull pc :)

[Dorwrath]

I have no doubt the Xbox Fanboys are as bad.

However PS3 fanboys have this huge claim that they are more mature than Xbox Fanboys. Yet they copy all the childish, immature antics that the Xbox Fanboys do.

You only have to mention one word on this site, one word and the PS3 fanboys get all rabid. You know what the one word is? Halo. It's like a moth to a flame, they just can't help themselves.

Xbox Fanboys are bad, but PS3 fanboys take it to a whole new level of e-peen comparing.

[mayberry]

...KZ2 detractors ALWAYS stated that " yeah, sure, if a developer had enough time thier games would be on par with KZ2". This game had the same dev time and doesn't deliver equally with KZ2 in the visual dept. <if this was stated earlier.. sorry. i dont have time to read all posts.>

[El Nino]

just insane!

Maybe n4g needs to split into a few seperate sites to keep these wars to a minimum lol, its to easy to click on the 360 bit and start arguing and vice versa for ps3.

I'll admit i havent followed AW that closely, seen a few vids n kinda understand the plotline, hopefullly they'll release a demo ox xbl. After a long development cycle you would hope this would be a great game, but then again i did have the privelage (or not) of playing haze lol, touch wood it lives up to the hype

[n4gno]

Giant crab and his delusional fans in denial friends atre really funny (but a little scary too)

[TaylorMade]

Go figure!?!?! I never thought of that /s

[Reeperdotcom]

I don't care if it uses pre-rendered cut scenes or CGI...as long as they give me an experience that's worth my hard earned $60. Simple as that.

[devilhunterx]

Alan in the Dark : The Pre-rendered Adventure Continues

[ILLINOIS]

And? Who didn't know all 360 does show is fake graphics for all their games. There in game graphics will never ever compare. Hell there cgi is not even as good as in game for top PS3 games. alan wake. A guy with a flashlight. How pathetic. It must be so sad not having a PS3.

[bviperz]

You just need to go back a few years, not just the trailer article. This sh!t storm has been brewing for a long time. Back when the PS3 was too expensive, didn't have games, and was only used to play movies.

[divideby0]

the only thing that matters is when you go from cutscenes to gameplay the transition is like UC2..there is not a discernible difference..

[VanDamme]

I read that if they made this game on the PS3, it wouldn't run at a choppy 25 FPS... I wouldn't mind picking this up, but if it's true, I'll wait and get it for the PS3. Everything I read says that Sony is being paid by Microsoft to let the xbox look decent for a little while longer--before they "crush the competition with mind-blowing graphics powered by a nvidia gpu that has more capabilities than all of xbox's processors (and harddrives) combined." That quote didn't make much sense to me, why would the hard drives have any effect on processor speed and graphics?

[pixelsword]

And Published by Microsoft; so it's dubious at best to assume that it will go anywhere without MS' permission.

[Reeperdotcom]

Source to your quote please? That statement smells like it came from a fanboy.

[maxcer]

"Everything I read says that Sony is being paid by Microsoft to let the xbox look decent for a little while longer"

wtf?

[PRHB HYBRiiD]

this website is full of people who hate a $300 console....and own a $400 console and spend hours and hours hating each other....really..do you guys have nothing better to do? idk maybe go to the park..do some workout o.o

[cliffbo]

lol. same old thing. 360 fans gloat, find out the truth and then disappear for a day or two. how many times do i have to keep telling you to stop the gloating. the PS3 is a fantastic machine and the 360 is a good machine. it has great games, but they can't match the PS3 games

[Daz]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
looks really good to me :?