$750 Gaming PC, Next Gen graphics today

Runs:

Crysis on Very high 1080p 35fps
Modern Warfare 2 Maxed out 1080p 81fps
dirt 2 1080p 8x AA 60fps

[champ21]

Thats a darn good rig for that price, though i would make some adjustments to that spec. Make it even cheaper.

[Cold 2000]

Oh...so this how much a gaming PC costs...

[FangBlade]

You wanna know how much 576p gaming PC costs?

[Aphe]

Let's keep it to pcs that do 1080p FangBlade.

[thereapersson]

Nice to know I'm not the only one that caught that.

[Cold 2000]

Can you actually give me a list of what PC games do expect to play at 576p ?

Want to see how dumb you are. Go ahead.

edit: yeah...kind of thought lmao.

[G3TDOWN]

I hate upgradig ! everyday new things come and u have to be upgraded, I HATE THAT

[kevnb]

I hate consoles, every day games come out that under perform and are at low res. Worst of all, there's nothing I can do to make those games play any better.

[thereapersson]

I'm sure that games don't support 576p as a resolution, but you can play around that, or lower on nearly any PC. A computer that costs less than the 360 with a HDD will be able to play games at that same resolution, will most likely even play them at 1280 x 720, and that was the point he was getting at. You were stealth trolling, and he shot back at you; now you're getting defensive.

@ KevnB

Not all consoles are built the same. Don't make generalized statements.

[sid4gamerfreak]

nice rig...

Its great to be gaming on a pc this and nex gen...

[Letros]

lol 576 res...god that would kill my eyes, I was running Quake 2 at higher resolutions than that 13 years ago.

[f789790]

which is crazy.

[Jinxstar]

It's a good price but unless you plan on using your TV or an old monitor you'd probably need to get one to match it... As well as a good sound system/headphones and a few other misc things but overall it's about right.

[LinuxGuru]

Fangblade made a funny. He's talking about the Xbox 360.

[Letros]

duh

[dredgewalker]

Wow i can't believe Cold fell for that hook, line and sinker. I mean i can't believe he didn't get what Fangblade meant.

[Jessewb]

@linuxGuru

Thanks man, I thought no one was going to catch that one.
I couldn't believe they were taking it seriously.

[Nikuma]

The intelligence of your average 360 fanboy at work.

[xTruthx]

@G3TDOWN

What are you talking about ? I haven't upgraded my PC in over 2 years and I can still play current games on Max

I can get you a list now of pc parts that would cost you a total of $425 dollars and you would be able to play 90% of the games on max

[arny]

and it cheaper than a start off console gamer you probably have to pay double this to buy a good tv and then a console and youll still be stuck with 720p games which some people try to prove they run at 1080p. Even if they run at 1080p a good pc will run at 2560p

[ProjectVulcan]

Cant build your own machine? You can even get cheap prebuilt machines these days. Check this baby out:

http://www.misco.co.uk/appl...

420 pounds for a quad core, 1TB HDD, 4Gb memory and a 4850. Keyboard and mouse included! Lol. Vista home is maybe the only major let down, but for the price of a prebuilt machine the specs are quite impressive and needless to say a lot faster than the consoles.

[Blaster_Master]

Its not about teh grapix, its about the games. Its not about how much resolution a game is, sure pc games are pretty, but there are great games that come to consoles that you cant get on pc. I could go on about how great my ps3 is, but im too busy playing games on it, and honestly, I love my pc too. Its an awesome time to be a gamer.

[HolyOrangeCows]

I thought about joining PC gaming, but there's too much DRM these days. I'd rather be in control of my product.

BTW: It's missing an operating system.

[xTruthx]

Above^^^^

You can always get around that believe me lol, and most of the games that are good don't have it.

[specialguest]

I love gaming at a standard 60fps on almost every PC games out there.

[xTruthx]

You can always tweak the files and make them run at 120 fps or more. But 120 is more than enough.

[evrfighter]

Never seen this much comments in an article based on pc costs.

I could only imagine that the console fanboys here have just realized that gaming at 1080p can indeed be a reality for them.

You really can't go wrong for the price the pc REALLY does do everything. streaming, burning, downloading, gaming, talking with ur friends on a mic, surfing porn all at once...

$750 is highway robbery. The specs are pretty sweet actually.

[Kakkoii]

@HolyOrangeCows:

One would assume you already own a computer. And thus already own an OS. So why pay for the OS again? Just install it on the new computer. Hell you don't even need to, just add your hard drive from your old computer to this one, set it as the master and boot up. You'll need to install new drivers of course for the new hardware.

[badz149]

$750 but missing the OS? oh no they didn't - if you know what I mean! PC gamers can skip the DRM and the cost of the games too if they want - again, if you know what I mean! (^_^)

[Bereaver]

And that's without a monitor, without nice sound, without a mouse, and without a keyboard. Did they include tax?

I would rather buy both a 360 and a ps3 slim.

[champ21]

Dont forget to add the price for that HDTV on the ps3 or the xbox.

Dunno about you but i been using the same Mouse i bought from 8years back, my keyboards around 3yrs old, speaker being about 10yrs old too still work great. Many parts are already present when ppl build stuff themselves. This is a great rig.

[t850]

I would hook that beast up to a HDMI tv and enjoy 1080p graphics on all my games with 60fps+

[Bereaver]

Yeah but you're forgetting that you could possibly get out the door with both the 360 and ps3 for cheaper than that one rig. I said, if I had to pay $750, then I would choose something else. I mean, even though I brag about graphics in the console war, doesn't mean I'm a complete graphics whore.

So, let's change it up a bit, let's retract my statement about buying both systems, and confine it to just one.

I would buy one of the systems (i need a ps3slim), and then what would the problem be? Anyone thinking about multiplayer split screen games? Don't you usually need two computers for that?

And about the using the mouse a while, true that, but you still gotta buy one. I gotta have a mouse with at least a 6 button layout. And a keyboard with volume settings.

I know it's not much, but every little bit adds up.

[t850]

The rig just inst used for gaming, it does a whole lot more then that. Everyone needs a PC at home anyways. Making it into that Gaming rig would cost lower then getting a ps3 or xbox.

Also dont forget you save on every game bought on that rig. Niether do you have to pay for online charges. Dlcs are sometimes free. In the long run that rig will be cheaper then either console.

Yes i do agree with you that splitscreen isnt that well supported on PC. Though games like L4D support splitscreen. There arent too many games on Consoles either these days that support splitscreen, since developers would rather have people buy more copies. Personally i find splitscreen gaming rather annoying though it is a option to have.

[ps3ftwin]

Bereaver

you could remove one of the Gpus on that system and bring the price down to 650usd if price is such a issue.

Since a single 4850 would still play all games at 1080p, having it in crossfire is just a luxury. Tahts the beauty of PC gaming its very versatile.

[Bereaver]

Why do I have so many disagrees? Does anyone know that my computer can run Crysis at 50fps at a nice resolution? And that was three years ago.

It cost me a little less than a grand.

[jy_mrnd]

Rather buy a 360 and ps3 slim are you a stupid.Steam and PC gaming for life!

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

@Bereaver

Well, if you want a Console, you better have an HDTV.
Having an HDTV, means the PC can be connected to the HDTV. And you don't need a Monitor...

Also, Gaming at 1080p or better NATIVE for PC. In consoles 1080p don't exist, it is upscaled.

[Saturnize]

Wow you are one of the few people who know that.

[badz149]

I know your PC is powerful and such but to say that 1080p doesn't exist on consoles is just pure denial! I know it's not all but there are 1080p games! it's just like not all PCs can run all games at max! try and prove me wrong!

[t850]

sure a pc fom 2004 wont play current games at 1080p, however anything as recent as 3yrs old will. Anyone serious into Gaming doesnt mind spending 100usd on a gpu to be able to play @1080p, something consoles cant do on all their games. They do it for like 5% of their games.

[SonySoldiers]

YOU CAN GET TWO PS3D MOVE..18Mp x128WAAR 3D@60FPS GUARANTEED, plus 1:1Mind controller..FUTURE GEN GRAPHICS TODAY

[TD_RJ]

AY LIEK TIPEING UN KABZ LUKZ !!

[Tarmgar]

Unless you live in one of the few states that charge online taxes on websites other than retail websites, tax is not a worry. And Crossfired 4850's is AMAZINGLY GOOOOOOOD.

[ipe]

some of u are soo lucky to live in us,this pc in most parts of eu is well over 1000$.Stupid euro and taxes.

[Spiderman]

I built a gaming pc 2 weeks ago, cost me £500. And i got better parts than this.

[jjesso1993]

I think you get that cheaper i built a rig with amd phenom quad core 2gb ram (now 6gb) 5750 for £352 and this runs mw2 at about 88-120fps at 1080p and crysis at 42-50fps at 1080p

[playnation]

hey can you pm with your detailed specs please, i would want to build a gaming rig and need some cool base to start , thanks u! =)

[PotNoodle]

Coming from a launch PS3 owner, and one who is very much enjoying god of war 3 right now.

What was the general justification for paying £450 - £500 for a PS3 at launch? "Its powerful, it'll be worth it. "

So why can't the same people who were saying that, say the same for PC gaming? You pay more, for better performance, and more functionality. Fair enough if you don't want that and the lower console performance is good enough for you, but there is some double standards going on here.

[Baka-akaB]

Other than sheer stupidity , i dont even see the purpose for both extreme spectrums of the argument .

It will be useless as long as pc and consoles dont have the exact same library of titles . Some games are exclusives to consoles and some genre are more represented on consoles ... likewise with some pc exclusive titles and genres .

The only common ground for comparisons is when it comes to multiplatform games . In wich case , if you got a decent enough PC gaming rig , wich isnt hard at all nor that expensive , you'll get better raw performances .

[RedSky]

I don't think anyone would disagree with that. What irks PC gamers though is the endless number of 13 year olds who perpetuate the myth everywhere that a good PC costs 4k, with their only frame of reference being overpriced Alienware rigs and the like. There's tons of guides out there that can build you a high performing rig for under $750, even under $500 easily.

[kewlkat007]

It's been years since I built a computer.

I know I want the latest X58 chipset motherboard for scalability but what processor to get best bang for my bucks.

i7-920?

[Letros]

LGA 1366 will be around longer than LGA 1156. AMD AM3 will be around for some time as well, so go with one of them, for what you want to use it for I'd recommend Phenom II X4 as i7-920 based systems are still very pricey.

[RedSky]

If you choose to go down the Intel route, the i5-750 is the sweet spot. When overclocked to match the 920 clock speed and when both are overclocked further, performance is practically identical. AM3s will offer you better value, but on most games, head to head, an AM3 and i5/7 overclocked to full capacity, the i5/7 will come out on top by a reasonable margin.

If MAME emulation is anything like PS2/GameCube/Wii emulation then clock frequency and number of cores are the most important factors. So an overclocked 4 core CPU is ideal, I'm sure they're all more than capable.

[wicko]

I disagree that LGA1366 is worth it, LGA1156 processors are much cheaper. Yes, they sacrifice a few features, but it's doubtful you'd use these features. An i5 750 will trump an i7 920 in most games and it is a full 100$ cheaper (here in Canada at least). It lacks hyperthreading so if you have any applications that can benefit from this then you might lean towards the i7 920. Gaming seems to be at the top of your list so I doubt it is worth it. Proof:
http://www.anandtech.com/cp...

I'd worry more about the GPU than CPU at any rate. I'm running an AMD x3 720 and 2x4890s and I've yet to come across a game it can't handle.

[Baka-akaB]

agree with wicko .LGA1156 is more advantageous ... And by the time you'd be forced to switch anyway to a new socket , it is more likely that LGA1366 would be obsolete as well , and already replaced by something more shiny .

[Xfanboy]

i7 930 same price as i7 920 but clocked a lil higher!!

[Letros]

Why would you buy the 930, you can save money buying the 920($250 now) and they OC the same.

[RAYMEISTER]

go to tomshardware.com. Look under forums and new system build. The people there are very helpful. After reading a few posts u might want to post your own.

[Dude420]

Wouldn't the LGA1366 be actually worth it? Sure as you say, it'll probably be obsolete, but don't most LGA1366 motherboards have future support for the new 6 core processors (Intel i9)? Don't they also have USB 3.0?

Sure, games won't have support for 6 cores now, but what about maybe 3/4 years from now, your i7 is starting to show performance issues. Couldn't you just solve the issue by upgrading to a faster processor and a video card? Maybe by then you'll just have to spend $300 - $400 to stay fresh.

Ok maybe this sounds a little rediculous, but I'm just throwing it out there. I just thought purchasing a 1366 model will be good in the long run.

[da305kratos]

you get very similar performance for just the price of a 5770 which is about $35 cheaper?!? throw that to the CPU and get an X4..Also the X4 cooling is good enough to overclock with stock so no need for extra cooling and thats more money towards a CPU....

My specs:
AMD Phenom X4 945 3.00
Sapphire HD5750 1GB
4 Gigs Ram DDR2 @ 800

and I still average 28~30 fps on Crysis maxed (usually play on high and get 38~45), the 5770 should get you 31~33 on average and you're getting a DX11 card....

[wicko]

Yeah it was a stupid decision by them. Not to mention that there are games that don't take advantage of crossfire, and at that low of a pricepoint they should stick with a single card. You can get a 5770 for 150CDN im sure it would be even cheaper in the US.

[TABSF]

Consoles $299

SD 576p - Some games use this res, ED 640p - Most are at this res
HD 720p - Most are at this res, HD 1080p - Very little are native

PC $750

HD 720p - Every game, HD 768p - Every game
HD 900p - Every game, HD 1050p - Most games
HD 1080p - Most games, Greater than HD 1200p - Most games
198% more pixels than Full HD 1600p - Couple of games

[JonnyBigBoss]

I run it on high with a $320 computer

Core2Duo 7400e
2GB RAM
en9600 GSO overclocked

[chasegarcia]

Xclio Godspeed case
AMD Athlon II X3 425 Rana 2.7GHz unlocked 4th core and overclocked to 3.0(can go higher)
G Skill ddr3 1600 4gb
WD 500gb hdd
Asrock m3a785gmh/128m motherboard
Antec basic 430w Power Supply

All for $410. Now I can add an ATI 4850 for less than $100 and play all games out today with high settings and then the swap it out when its outdated 5 years later(not replace the whole pc).

[TABSF]

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 £120 - in 2008
OCZ 8GB PC2 6400 (800Mhz DDR2) £90 - in 2009
ATi Radeon HD 5850 £255 - in 2009
Asus P5Q SE-Plus £90 - in 2009
Kingston V-series SSD 64GB £110 - in 2010
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB £60 - in 2009
Western Digital Blue 500GB £50 - in 2008
OCZ Fatality Modular PSU 550W £45 - in 2010
CoolerMaster Elite 330 £25 - in 2008
NEC DL 18x DVD-RW SATA £15 - in 2007
Fans, M&K and accessories £60 - between 07 - 10

So in total around £920 for my current build.
I have 115 Games on Steam and only spent around £600

[TABSF]

AMD Athlon 64 x2 4800+ £55
OCZ 2GB PC2 5400 (DDR2 667MHz) £40
ATi Radeon X1950 Pro £65
Biostar TA690G AM2 £35
250GB OEM 8MB Cache Sata II £30
Asus TM210 Case with 400W PSU £40
NEC DL 18x DVD-RW SATA £15
Fans, M&K and accessories £20

So in total around £300 for my first build.
Also When I got my 60GB PS3 on release it was £425 (2007) and the 360 which I got in 2006 was £280

[dirthurts]

Put a 4890 in there and used the money I saved from not having two cards to bump the cpu a little bit.
But that's just me.

[nnotdead]

i would go HD5770. plus you could save money on the case and power supply. no need to spend $140 if going cheap is your goal. may even try saving some cash on the mobo.

RAIDMAX ATX Mid Tower 450W Power Supply- $50
AMD Athlon II X4 630- $100
ASRock M3A770DE AM3 AMD 770 ATX- $60
keep Ram-$94
HD5770- $165
1TB HDD- $80
can keep DVD- $24

i just saved people $200 dollars and its that much better.

[dirthurts]

Good call on the cpu.
I would go 500 gb on the HDD, and if I was going with a 5 series card I would go 5850. AA ftw.

[nnotdead]

i agree with what you're saying but i was just trying to go as cheap as i could but stay modern. im still using my Athlon X2 6000+ and HD4850 and am more than fine for now. though i will end up upgrading by next year. DX11 seems like its really going to catch on, so i will need to Quad and DX11 up my rig.

the thing about the CPU people might not like would be the lack of L3 cache. though you wouldnt notice it that much while gaming. most games are so GPU heavy.

[Babaganoosh27]

i have that case its an awesome case

[champ21]

All about the versatality bro. Could have a monster of a PC inside an office casing lol. I love how this platform allows everyone to customize as they will.

[vandaLl_L]

Nice Case! So much cooling and it looks damn sexy!

[coldfoot]

Yeah sure you can run games at 1080p but can you play god of war 3, heavy rain, gt5, forza 3, uncharted 2, halo reach on a pc? Pc doesn't have any worthwhile exclusives besides wow, for which you don't even need a powerful pc.

[t850]

You gotta be kidding me. I have so many games bought in march i dont think ill have the time to finish them:

Dragon age awakening
Bad company 2
Metro 2033
Dawn of war 2 chaos rising
Command and conquer 4

PC had the most exclusives of any platform in 2009 AAA rated games. Personally i cant wait for Starcraft 2.

Here is a list of PC release schdule for 2010:

http://adrianwerner.wordpre...

Lets not forget all the multiplats consoles always charge more for while always losing out.

[coldfoot]

Which 2009 PC game was GOTY? It was Uncharted 2.
And give me a break, except for BC2, which is available for the consoles with far more players and no cheating, all other games you've listed are mediocre.
Console gamers, especially PS3 gamers, enjoy exclusives made with such attention to detail and high production values that no PC game can match. There is nothing equivalent to GOW3 and UC2 on PC. The hardware may be more powerful, but the game quality, presentation, and production values just aren't there.

[t850]

Does it really matter if a single game out of 20played in a year is game of the year. I have played uncharted 2 on my PS3 its a great game however as a personal preference i enjoyed Dragon age on the PC far far more.

Dice conformed there are more ppl playing BC2 on pc then both consoles combined. what are you on about?

Btw the console version of BC2 runs at 28fps average, while PC gamers got the game cheaper, have mod support and play the game @ 1080 60fps (the way its ment to be played even on 3yr old hardware).

Overall PC just had more Exclusives then any console in 2009, so is the case for 2010. Nevermind all the multiplats which are flatout better on the PC.

I bought nearly 20 games last year on PC, count the 10-15usd price difference per game and watch it add up compared to console version in the end.

[Letros]

DICE stated PC BC2 is more popular than both consoles combined, there is not cheating, server code was not released to public and there's a thing called Punkbuster, and it has been working well for a decade now.

I have a PS3, just finished GoW3, awesome game, but after 9 hours, I'm back to gaming on PC for the extensive list of COMPETITIVE multiplayer titles available(currenlty BC2 and Chaos Rising), because that's what PC has always been about the online experience.

You've named 2 awesome games in on a 5 year old system, please don't knock PC gaming so much, you should give it a shot in addition to your PS3, I think you'll find it a lot of fun. I'm sure most of us with gaming rigs also have consoles...

BTW I've played more exclusives on my PC this year than my PS3(STALKER CoP, Napoleon TW, Chaos Rising, CnC4 and Settlers 7 next week), so they are there, not to mention APB(might be the best multiplayer game ever made) just because they don't APPEAL to you don't deny them, just like a lot of PS3 exclusives don't really appeal to me I'm not denying that they exist. I really only have a PS3 for GT5, gonna enjoy that with the G27 =)

[ps3ftwin]

@letros

With you on that one. I Bought my PS3 just for the Sony exclusives. However when it comes to games in general I am always back to the PC.

Even on the Ps3 the Sony exclusives i do enjoy are very limited not all their exclusives appeal to me. Majority of my gaming will always be PC oriented since that is the platform to own for multiplayer games.

[wissam]

That's Some Monster PC.But.the Article Didn't say next Generation Today.

[xg-ei8ht]

And i thought 360 guys were bad.

Why so much hate for consoles ppl.

Some PC games have excellent graphics, some do not.
Some PC games run extremely well, some do not.

Resolution wise, pc always wins, because it's yours to control.

I still have a pc and still game on it.

I have a ps3 and game on that as well.

I win.

[hoops]

Please tell me how people can say the Xbox360 and PS3 are "NEXT GENERATION" systems when 95% of the games on both consoles cannot run above 720p and in some cases run lower res and run at 30fps and not abve 60fps?
PC's have been running in HD resoltuion YEARS before the PS3 or Xbox360 were released. Lets not even mention that those PC's years before could run Anti Alaising 8x multi sampled with gamma correction.
Xbox360 and PS3 cannot even do that and they call them "NEXT GEN"?

[ATi_Elite]

I really enjoy this article as I get Sooooooooooooo tired of MORONS saying you gotta take out a home loan, donate a kidney, marry Bill Gates daughter, and hit the lottery just to build a gaming PC that Of course "Can run Crysis Maxxed out".

Also you can make one cheaper as I see my many PC enthusiast brother and sisters have already pointed out in this post.

So please recycle this type of web hit getting Post every 2 days N4G untill every CONSOLER stops saying " you gotta spend like $20,000 a year in upgrades just to play games".

[coldfoot]

Stop with the PC elitism already. Yes we know you can game with better graphics on PC's but it does not work on a couch since you need a table to put the keyboard and mouse. I sit at a desk in front of a computer all day at work, and just want to stretch my legs and sit on my comfy couch holding a controller when I'm playing at home. With PC's you'll always need the keyboard, and if you want to be competitive, also the mouse.

Oh, and the production budgets and just the overall quality of Stalker CoP, Napoleon TW, Chaos Rising, CnC4 and Settlers 7 COMBINED can't even match GoW3 or UC2, or MGS4. Production values are not PC games' strong suit unless they're done by blizzard.

About the games being more expensive, I always sell old games that I don't play anymore and get a part of my money back, they're always buyers for console games. Selling PC games used is much harder if not impossible if you bought it from Steam.

Look, I was a PC gamer in the PS2 era, but now that the consoles have "good enough" graphics in HD, I don't bother anymore.

[RagTagBnd445]

Fanboyism when it is worst. Overall quality can not be compared, when all those games you mentioned are about 10 hour single player each, while all the pc games have much more replay value, UC2 is the only one being close with it's multi player.

Yes the PS3 exclusive are great, but the pc games are as well, only fanboys desagree.

[champ21]

If you were a PC gamer you would realise PC can be hooked up to hdtv's also that you can use any controller on the PC.

Be it the DS3, Xbox 360 or the wii controller all of them work on the PC. Cause it only does everything.

Choice of games is always subjective. I dont own any console. though i seen my bro play uncharted 2 i dont say its a bad game, it just isnt my taste. Just the same way you seem to feel about PC games.

Though yea giving the couch as a reason for not playing on PC is ignorant at best.

[Letros]

I don't understand why you're so hung up on production values, I've played so many great games that probably didn't cost a lot to make, it's a big part of being a gamer, if you're only playing the 9/10 $50M games, then you're not gaming nearly as much as you could, your loss...

[Ravenor]

Console online gaming is the anti competition, the inclusion of sticky aim renders any talk of "competitive" console gaming moot.

There are plenty of lap boards available, when I use my PC on my television I just set up some Dinner trays and pull up a chair. You simply do not understand PC gaming as much as you tell me otherwise, if you played PC games a few years ago I'm really happy for you, but so did I as well as the consoles. You needs to understand there are people part of the community who do know a thing or two and have been around a little bit longer then 2002.

Production costs mean nothing when it comes to overall quality or FUN. Are you a gamer who cares about games or how much was spent making it? This generation is terrible.

[coldfoot]

Champ, if you've ever tried to hook up a DS3 to your pc running windows7 x64, you'd have known that it's a pain in the ass, and you have to disable driver enforcement every time you boot up windows to get it working with 3rd party hack drivers some guy in Japan made. The 360 controller might be easier of course, I haven't tried.

Also tell me how I can boot my PC, launch Mass Effect 2, enter my name, etc, using JUST the controller, without ever resorting to a keyboard, it's just not possible. By the way, I do have my PC hooked up to my TV, but I only use it to watch mkv's and live TV.

I don't want to rearrange my living room furniture every time I want to play, because using portable trays and lap boards, etc are just hacks, just like you see controllers and auto-aim as hacks. None are more comfortable than sitting on the couch with a controller in your hand. Until there is a PC that can work as seemlessly as a console with ONLY a controller and NOTHING else, it won't be as convenient as a console.

[champ21]

i got driverreadyplus on my pc, disables driversignature automatically.

All i gotta do is to activate the controller just like i would on a ps3 and it connects wirelessly, now if that is a pain in the ass you better take up your case with sony.

Also for your information since all my games are mostly on steam all i gotta do is point and click on the game i like to play, no need to be walking all the way to the PC to change disks.

@hoops

Got the same setup now, eyefinity with 5970 rocks. I could never go back to gaming on a hdtv or a single 24inch monitor again. though i still have a htpc connected to my HDPC that machine still outperforms whatever any console can do, including manage all media in my room.

[hoops]

I don't know about you coldfoot, but I USE to game on my HDTV with my PC via HDMI on my 55 inch LCD TV running games at 60+fps...with a Xbox360 controller and Logitech controller....
That was until I got two 5970's and three 24" monitors and now game on that. No console can do that. And the funny part is you don't need a high end 5970 to do multiple display gaming. Any Mid range ATI card will do it.

[Scenarist]

Its Like this , point blank ...
PC's are GAMING MONSTERS .. that does everything else too .
i had a CRT monitor 10 YEARS AGO i forgot the name. and i was playing games at resolutions > 2500x 1600 (avg was 1600x1200 depends if the game lets you go that high) ... so
so I look at like this ... 360 the wii .. and even the ps3 .. WILL ALWAYS be behind computers

if you want quality PAY FOR IT,.. if you dont or you are broke or dont have a job ... stick with what you can afford

will I pay for it ? yes?

GAMING IS PHUCKING HOBBY ... you pay for what you will enjoy
You pay for quality... you pay for what you want ....

thats why you have 360 only owners .. and ps3 only owners

then you have true gamers that INVEST into their enjoyment... like myself... the only console i dont have is a 360 ..YES i want one .. I just cant justify owning one yet so many better ways to spend my money.. like... on a new graphics card ... ITS NOT THE MONEY THAT MATTERs. . its the satisfaction you get .. hence .. a new graphics card i could buy 2 xbox 360's ... but will i be happy with it ?

but with the way the world is going

I SUGGEST .. and its only a suggestion ... That you get comfortable with computers and upgrading.. since everything revolves around 1

[The Simple Truth]

Next gen my ass!

without next gen software, i.e the games, whats the point?

Crysis.

Tumbleweed...

[champ21]

add a hard drive to that xbox 100usd
add online 50usd/year

+15usd extra per game

the PC suddenly looks much more attractive.

[AliTheBrit19]

No, no it doesn't...

Xbox 360 super elite - £250 (including the 250GB HDD - More than enough)

£30 a year online, £35 for new games

And PC gaming still looks no more attractive :D

[champ21]

Id rather pay the 400gbp on the PC which would do a lot more and actually play games in 1080p vs 576p.

Its not just about games here Ali, the PC does alot more the extra 100-200gbp is a bargain.

[xg-ei8ht]

hoops

Because hoops nextgen refers to xbox,PS2 days. Compare ps2 and ps3. or xbox&xbox360.

Besides resolution does not really have to do with it.

I prefer better

Textures,lighting,sound, etc.

[Hot_tea]

Build a gaming PC.

Better textures, lighting, sound, AA, AF, resolution and fps.
Oh, and mouse and keys....the ultimate.

[hoops]

Here is the problem. This generation they kept talking about "HD" "HD" "HD" yet these consoles barely do this. With that logic I can say the Collecovision is next Generation to the Intellivision then...
Resoltuion AND frame rates have a lot to do with being "next generation"
The Xbox360 and PS3 have less then 5% of games running at 1080p...that percentage goes lower when you factor in IQ settings. That percentage goes even lower if you want to see games run at 60fps.
Next generation gaming should also improve on IQ settings and frame rates.
These have stayed the same since last generation.
Lighting on consoles is still behind the curve as HDR and FP formats on consoles are SOOOO behind PC's its almost comical.
Consoles use tricks and hacks to get similar lighting and texture effects as PC's because consoles are limited in memory, GPU and CPU power.
These are not next generation consoles in the literal sense. They are last generation. They are not cutting edge in any way.

EDIT:

Btw people stating consoles are next generation. True Anti-Alaising was realized in games at playable frame rates with the release of the 9700pro...that was in 2002.....and games could run in HD resoltuions back then...8 years later these consoles are BARELY doing this.
Now if people want to call consoles "next gen" more power to you....

[Hot_tea]

I remember when I bought my launch ps3, I thought (naively) that consoles had got to a stage where they would be so powerful that I didn't need a decent PC rig anymore.
Now I love my consoles (PS3 and a Wii) but boy was I wrong. ALmost immediately I realized that the games were not even 60fps, most of them have tearing and low resolutions and crap anti aliasing.

I just came to accept them for what they are, and I do love them.
I just wish Microsoft and Sony, would (once they settle on specs) not allow games to be coded for the hardware that the hardware cannot handle without tearing/slowdown. AKA Nintendo style.

Back to PC rigs, I LOVE LOVE LOVE building a rig, I always have, I can't wait for my next one, I really want to dual boot a hacintosh, which means Intel CPU (rip off expensive but fast)..but some of the AMD pricing+performance right now are hard to resist! What to do!!??

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

''I would rather buy both a 360 and a ps3 slim.''

''Oh...so this how much a gaming PC costs...''

This consoles gamers only are L.A.Z.Y to know how a PC Gaming works.

[Hotel_Moscow]

idk pc gaming takes up a hell of alot of electricity

[cmrbe]

Might upgrade to one of these.

[ATi_Elite]

Video Gaming is a hobby and entertainment! So let's not kill ourselves defending our chosen platform.

We all love console gaming as it is fun and easy. great entertainment just by plugging in and turning on.

but this entertainment is a hobby for others like myself and we require MORE to get our fix and that's where PC gaming comes into play. PC gaming is just a way to maximize all the things a console can and can't do, the PC is total control of your gaming experience.

The PC is THE ONLY way to game next GEN as the PC get's the new tech first (at a premium I might add). I mean just look at the difference in the hottest game out right now Battlefield Bad Company 2.

This game is on 3 systems like other multiplats except the PC version isn't some crappy port, it was made to utilize the advantage of the PC and it is the best way to play the game. Now don't get me wrong the console versions are great but as far as graphics, textures, HD, FPS, number of players, online experience, updates, private servers, game customization, Sound, and Team speak, the PC has the overwhelming advantage over the consoles.

ps3 and 360 are fun and have great games (Halo Gow3 U2 KZ2 Gears) but play a game on a PC and you will start to see the world open up.

my first PC game was Oregon Trail and I was hooked as Atari as HUGE as it was had nothing even remotely close to this way back in the early 80's. Adventure, 3rd person shooting, puzzle solving, people in your caravan dying it was all too real and so much to control on our way to Oregon. PC gaming just creates something more to gaming that consoles just can't.

that's why Pc gamers get excited and upset when consolers speak upon the PC recklessly because PC gaming is a hobby that we put time and effort into along with a lot of heart and love especially a hand built PC. Remember people have more love for something they created vs. something they bought off the shelf.

BBC2 at 1920 x 1080p True HD locked at 60 FPS or higher Dolby 7.1 surround sound at 96000 mhz studio quality sound across 3 monitors

That's Next GEN and that's the PC right now.

Happy Gaming

[The Milkman]

As a hardcore gamer I'm eventually going to buy a gaming PC. PC is more complicated when it comes to wanting to get a game and pop it and play. Is it worth your work of building a PC for a cheap price? Well of course. It's harder to build a PC than it is to buy a console. Then again its harder to mod a console than it is a PC. So if you want easier access to cool mods for your games then you want PC. Your going to have to sacrifice some of your time though if you want a good deal on a gaming PC. I personally don't want to at the moment because I'm fine with the games I'm playing on consoles now.

Games I need to beat on console still:
Heavy Rain, GOW2, Dragon Age(I know its better on PC, I'm not throwing a fit about it though its still fun), FFXIII, and Mass Effect 2. But by time I beat those games these games will be out then I need to beat them lol...

Games I have to beat later:
Alan Wake, Splinter Cell Conviction, and Red Dead Redemption. The main 3 that come to my head at the moment.

I even have older games that I may go back and play because I haven't finished them completely. Like GTAIV-TBOGT and Borderlands. Needless to say I have a busy schedule for gaming and I'm not having a problem with fun. Yea it is true console gaming holds back the progress of bigger games. I couldn't imagine having mandatory upgrades to play new games each year though. I also dont think developers want to keep using new tools each time either. I think gaming should have a space in between time so people can be at rest with their current investments. PCs dont have a mandatory each year thank god, but I hear people talk they should. Maybe they dont realize it but if they had it their way that's how it would be. People complain about paying 50$ for xbox live each year think what it would be like to pay for 250+ graphics card or more each year.

Either way PC is powerful but when it comes to who has control over game development it's more complicated than that. Like I said though when I find time and grow of boredom then I will build me one. Some people don't want to play the same things as me though so they already made their investment on a gaming PC. I find the games beautiful in the so the so called 576p graphics lol (chill out guys). I seen games on the PC played in HQ but hasn't changed my thought that console games are beautiful also. People have become to obsessed with numbers and less with reality of how fun the game actually is. Hell you should own them all if you want the ultimate experience..

[EditorAtGNG]

The specs just bellow the title are a bit misleading. It's only Dirt 2 and Modern Warfare 2 that have been maxed out with AA and AF. Crysis clearly isn't.

I own a slightly better configuration than this one (single 5770, Phenom II X4 955) and Crysis maxed out with AA x 8 and AF goes from 20 - 32 fps. It's great though in intense firefights it can get a bit clunky.

I bet that if I crossfire one more 5770 I will get a significant boost in performance. That or I might get just one single 5870.

[ATi_Elite]

Amd Phenom II 550 X2 @ 3.9 ghz
2 XFX HD 4890 @ 1ghz

Crysis Enthusiast settings (MAXed out) 4x AA 8 AF 1920 X 1080 39 FPS

No game looks better (except Stalker Clear Sky during a sunrise or sunset, FN Phenomenal!!)

[xg-ei8ht]

Your missing the point hoops.

Of course i used to play some games at 1600x1200,lol.

But textures wise, games back then had poor textures,lighting.

Do me a favour if you have it, boot up BF2. You'll see what i mean.

Texture wise, lighting wise. It's very poor.

Most people who buy consoles, get an experience out of the box. And everyone with the same box, gets the same experience.

You cannot say that about PC'S.

Drivers - Can cause problems, update, problem not solved. revert back to earlier ones. i've had to do this countless times.

You talk about hacks. Jesus, ati and nvidia have done their fair share of hacks.

Renaming of exe's to fool program, by lowering quality, enabling higher framerates. To be the Benchmark king.

I don't do that anymore. It's not worth the time.

I'm rather be playing, instead of Benchmarking.

I know some of the fun was in trying to push,ram,gpu.clocks. etc to the limit.

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Krayzie Bone

BBC2 at 1920 x 1080p True HD locked at 60 FPS or higher Dolby 7.1 surround sound at 96000 mhz studio quality sound across 3 monitors.

That's next gen for highend pc gamers. Who spend whatever it takes for the games they love, all power to them. But that is not common place. Not even close.

As for BFBC2.

On PS3 it's

7.1
1280X720, no aa(should have used an spu maybe?)
Decent textures and graphics overall.

For the masses, that isn't bad at all.

All of them have a place.

PC/PS3/360.

But atm i'm loving GOW3,BFBC2.

All PC guys. Please watch this video.

GOW3, click on the 720P sit back and enjoy and let me know what you think. Because it impressed me.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Enate]

Since we seem to have so many people here gaming on 2 year old rigs that run every game maxed out 1080p without a sweat, wtf is wrong with my pc then? Oh an the PC was built over the summer at a cost of approx $1500 after everything an that doesn't include the monitor or the Zalman 9900 I have to get. An I know it can be built for way less now, my question is not the price so please refrain from commenting on that. I'm just stating it for for extra factual information.

Amd 955 Black Edition 3.2ghz
M4A78T-E Asus Motherboard
EVGA 275GTX Overclocked
4gb of amd ocz gold ram at 1600mhz
1tb barracuda 7200rpm
PC Power & Cooling 750W Powersupply
Xcilo WW case

An yet at 720p on metro 2033 I'm seeing extremely low frams on DX10 and about 30ish on DX9 about 30mins into the game. According to the lot of you I should be running at 60fps np? An I've OC'd my GTX275 to FTW specs. So anyone care to comment? I'm not computer illiterate either so don't respond if your gonna respond in a sarcastic or retarded manner. I'm asking a serious question an looking for a serious answer. Though I probably won't get one considering what I've asked as apposed to all the easy bs questions above.

[lightcz]

You know the answer. Some games are poorly optimized.
BTW I spent 3k on my PC a year ago and I don't mind spending another 3k if I feel like my computer performance is falling.
It is my hobby.

On the topic,
That setup is gay.

[spartan_dx]

ive been a console gamer all my life and currently a proud owner of a ps3...nothing ever really interested me enough for me to make the jump except for the amazing graphics but still that alone wasnt enough..that is until i discovered APB (All poinits bulletin)-I NEED THAT GAME- can someone tell me what it is i need so that i can play that game

[Xfanboy]

Wow 150 dollars more than ps3 launch price with all the capabilities that the ps3 was promised to have 1080p 60fps plus more 8xAA can't do without my PC!! Remember when they said ps3 games would run games at 120fps?? lol!! I laughed out loud even back then!! I wonder since Im sure Ps4 games will be 1080p native will Pc have a new and higher native resolution??

[chasegarcia]

In the long run PC gamin is pretty good since game prices fall rapidly and servers stay up way longer.

[TheRebelliousHater]

I know this is a noob question but if you get a video card with a case with the not so best cooling system is it a bad idea to get a video card like a ati radeon 4890 or 5970. Please reply because if you are, you are Jesus.

[vandaLl_L]

Technically it is because if you have no bottleneck like your cpu the heat will play a major role in the video card dying out faster, loss of framerates, stuttering gameplay, etc. Actually the case they show here is a really great case, you should think of getting it, it is a great case for the price and you have lots of options in cooling your gpu/system.

[Bigrhyno]

Have fun gaming on a PC with no OS.

[t850]

you will need an OS regardlless of upgrading or not and most likely you already do have one no need to buy it again.

[trgz]

Who the hell talks about 1080p when discussing PC gaming? Please get real and talk in terms of (monitor) resolution height ie 600, 768, 1024, 1050, 1200 etc.

[Hotel_Moscow]

people need to stop with the next gen graphics today because that would be current gen graphics