Why Project Natal Will Beat The Wii And PlayStation Move

Project Natal was announced and demonstrated with expectation at Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3) 2009. Preceding the event was rumor, spreading like wildfire, that both Microsoft and Sony would try and breach the 'casual' market where Nintendo's Wii had done so well. However, there is one major difference between Microsoft's Project Natal and what Nintendo and Sony are offering.

[Foxgod]

I think the games will decide the winner.
Thats why i also believe Natal will outdo the other two in terms of hardcore gaming.

The black and white series from Lionhead are perfect for Natal, like that series was created with Natal in mind.

[Rockox]

If Sony or Microsoft think they can put a serious dent into the Wii's sales, they're kidding themselves.

[sid4gamerfreak]

Why I dont give a crap if Sony or Microsoft wins this motion controlling war.

All I care about is the 'old' fashioned consoles, thats right, the ps3 and the 360, getting good games. Other than that, I dont give a f&*@ about whether natal will beat move or not.

[-Alpha]

I completely agree. People are starting to get competitive with this motion control nonsense when just over a couple years ago people dissed on the Wii for it. Now all of a sudden that their consoles are adopting it they decide to be so supportive.

I have no doubt that Natal will "beat" Move with sales as its being pushed to be a "next evolution" of the 360 while Move is completely optional. Not to mention that Natal is aiming more for the casual market than Sony.

I seriously doubt Natal will beat Nintendo, and until the products role out nobody will be able to tell.

I'm getting tired of all this "Motion X will beat Motion Y" crap, and it's just feeding the hungry fanboys who are trying to trash on the competition for whatever reason. I don't understand why one has to be better than the other: Natal and Move are aiming to do two completely different things and yet people are so blind that they are still trying to compete the two against each other. Let them both come out, see the games, and then judge which is better for who and what beats what instead of trying to nail one to the ground based on preliminary guesswork.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Three words:

Pew, pew, pew.

[eagle21]

Clear 13 feet, move the cat, move the dog..(PEW, PEW, PEW!!!!!)...

Mommy...it's laggy. :)
I know honey, it's made by Microsoft. :)

[morganfell]

You have got to be kidding. The lack of a controller alone makes natal the anti-hardocre gaming device. You may be buying into what some 14 year old is saying on a forum but neither natal nor modern systems that do full body mocap are able to properly identify finger motions and without that the implementation for hardcore games will be minimal and restricted to lean and duck type of usages and will still require a controller. Advantage? Move.

Remember some of the PS3 implementations for Sixaxis that felt tacked on? Welcome to 2 years ago because that will be the extent some core titles will go with natal. No doubt a few of them will be crippled severly. Value? Nil. All of those slings and arrows that were thrown over titles like Lair are en route back toward natal.

The SOCOM 4 demonstration is a clear example why hardcore games such as shooters need a multitude of functions that can be rapidly chosen...on a controller. Sony was able to implement their system without dumbing down game mechanics and if you think you will be able to do this on natal without grossly affecting the mechanics and gameplay one would have with a game pad then you are kidding yourself.

Using natal alone for hardcore games means such titles will have their scheme reduced to quite simplistic implementations that core gamers will find idiotic. You will hear the word "blasphemy" used quite a bit.

Add to this the fact that natal now has to use the 360 alone for processing power and it becomes patently obvious where this is going.

You also have to deal with the unavoidable truth that many such dumbed down versions of titles will not work in multiplayer with versions that have a control scheme set up for a gamepad. Let me clarify, it will work but natal users will get crushed. Welcome to multiplayer where you choose a server based on the control scheme.

There is no way companies like Ubisoft, Activision, or EA will make any of their mainline core titles require natal unless it is a title just for natal. Even then how many developmental resources is a 3rd party going to commit for a hardware device that may not have a big user base.

People think when publishers like EA or Activision say they are on board with natal it means they are going to make their titles, all of them, support it to the nth degree with groundbreaking implementations only seen in a science fiction movie and that just is not the case. Remember, every publisher was on board with the Sixaxis controls too.

The advantage with Move is publishers can have dev teams implement the device support without adjusting gameplay and core mechanics and that alone is a huge boost for Move.

[Rockox]

@Alpha - And most of those very same fanboys don't care about these new motion controls anyway. People gotta pick their battles, and Natal vs. Move ain't worth fighting for, in my opinion.

[Anon1974]

I've been hearing a lot of complaints from articles like this one, concerned that having to buy multiple Move controllers is a detriment. I really don't understand why. Has having to buy multiple Wii-motes hampered sales at all? If anything, it's creating a nice revenue stream on the side. From a business perspective, why sell just one Natal to a family when you can sell multiple controllers? Like I said, having to do so on the Wii hasn't hurt their sales at all.

Ultimately it'll come down to the experience and games. As a gamer I feel much more comfortable holding a controller of some type in my hands as opposed to standing in front of my screen, making hand gestures. I have a feeling Microsoft is about to find out the same.

Now, that being said if they release a $150 Xbox slim packaged, possibly packaged with Natal, that could be a game changer, but I currently don't see any evidence of that. Leading up to the PS3 Slim's unveiling there were clues all over the place from Sony's financial statements to parts orders related to the new hardware. So far, nothing like that has surfaced for Microsoft that I'm aware of.

Time will tell.

[cyborg6971]

If games are the deciding factor all you have to do is look at the shovelware that is on the wii. Because that's the same stuff only worse that's coming to natal. Which is going to be using 30% of the 360's processor power now that they took out the onboard one. So the games are gonna have a rez of 360p which is why they named it that in the first place.

[Genesis5]

Don't care. I just want a 3D TV to game on and I'll be happy just to sit in my chair with my old controler.

[Demarco156]

one word:

BAM!!!

[TROLL EATER]

cos its not a copy of wii mote

[sikbeta]

Stupid article based on Bad/Lame-Speculations, as usual, Great to See Some Guys Here Above this comment that are Real Gamers and don't give a Damn f@ck about this Motion-control-Wagon/Hype/tren d and only care about Gaming

[D4RkNIKON]

Did any one read the article? He actually thinks that Milo will be how Natal will beat the Wii and PlayStation Move. We will see who the winner is in HD motion controlled gaming, but after seeing things like this http://n4g.com/tech/NewsCom... I think Sony has the upper hand. Also because of those things that we in the future call buttons, which turn out to be pretty important to those hand full of millions of people who play shooters.

[MorganX]

Since Peter Molyneux's Fable never lived up to the "groundbreaking" advanced features hype, I doubt Milo will be all it's cracked up to be.

I think hands free navigation will be the killer app. Flipping through Netflix Minority Report style.

[Nike]

I think your brand of militant fanboyism is losing it's appeal - especially with the number of bubbles you lose each day.

Seriously man, lighten up. :|

[HSx9]

I'm sure we can all forget about the 5 Frame lag the Natal showed a couple of weeks ago.

[morganfell]

Comments on my lack of bubbles from someone with even less bubbles than me? No thanks.

[Kevin ButIer]

"It also got what we in the future call "Buttons"

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[dabri5]

It has a controller. It's the regular 360 controller. Unlike move which acts a replacement controller, Natal is an addition to the controller. Developers have stated you can use Natal and a controller to play the games. Imagine a sneaking game were not only do you have to not move the character on screen to avoid being seen/heard but you also have to hold still on your couch/floor (wherever you play from) in order to not cause movement on screen. (prob a lame example) The point being, you can play games traditionally with the controller and add in Natal features to the games to make them more interesting. It doesn't have to be a wii style game controls or controller-less. It provides options.

[Nike]

@morganfell:

Lol. I'm sure we'll be keeping each other company soon enough. :)

[morganfell]

You are making a point I already made...you have to have a controller. Thanks for responding to a post you did not read. Having natal and a controller and losing 30% of the 360 processing power is hardly a boon. if I want that performance I'll use my Wii.

As I said, it'll be about as useful as Sixaxis controls meaning the very odd title will have one instance where it really works. Other than that it's a marketing ploy.

[vhero]

Totally fanboy article for nothing more than hits.

[NateNater]

Without a remote, I really can't see Natal being better than Move. I've said it many times before and I'll say it again. IMHO you really need a remote for a lot things in gaming. Some things just can't be done properly without one.

But I'm waiting to see how Natal will handle things like FPS' and other games like such. Maybe MS can change my mind.

[Foxgod]

Maybe FPS games will still use the controller, but will have additional motion commands to play the game.

I do not expect every game to use 100% natal control, but rather have natal incorporated at some level, to boost the experience.

Fable will probably also use the gamepad to play, but will have some motion features, like grabbing objects in the game, and dragging them around.
Such a thing would be very annoying to do with a gamepad.
I also read in an interview you can smack people in Fable 3.

But like you said, lets wait and see, E3 should be awesome this year.

[Godmars290]

And that's where Natal falls flat on ts face: its a controller that's suppose to replace an older one, yet it may need that old controller depending on which game played with it. That's specifically why the Wii fails.

@Below:
Really, where's the Youtube link showing this, much less the name of the said RTS game?

@Below #2:
Its not illegal, but it is stupid to make assumptions. And I really don't recall anyone saying anything about B&W on Natal till now.

[Foxgod]

It will actually allow us to play RTS games on consoles, without frustration.
Thats pretty revolutionizing already.

Natal basically emulates the mouse, anything that works with a mouse will work with Natal.
You cant play an FPS with a mouse alone either, you need a keyboard to move around.

@above,
Its not illegal to make assumption, but anyone that played Black and white, would know itl work really well with Natal, use one hand to browse around the field, use the other one to grab stuff and interact with the pet.
Black and white, is an RTS.

@below,
Who says you have to?

@below,
Maybe hide in cover (you dont shoot anyway while in cover) and then swing your arm to trow a grenade), or, move your controller sideways to reload, so you can keep your finger on the trigger.

[Harry_Manback]

Take my hands off the controller.

Edit: Well then what were you referring to using, your feet? Your head? Wouldn't that be cool.../

Edit 2: Oh, you mean like the sixaxis O_o

[-Alpha]

I can't imagine playing any sort of hardcore game on Natal. I honestly don't see why I wouldn't just use a controller.

Same goes for Move. I want games to be original for motion control. I can imagine playing Demon's Souls but the lack of motion in the Move's subcontroller is really limiting. First of all, you'll have to buy two wands, and if you do that you have no use of an analog stick.

The lack of motion in the subcontroller and the lack of a controller at all in Natal are my two biggest concerns. I have no desire to adopt motion control anytime soon. I need the games to impress me and the games have to be completely original and be made from the ground up around motion control. I don't care for paying money to motion control LBP when I can just use a controller nor do I care to move around playing Halo when I can just use a controller and play just as effectively.

I fear both MS and Sony are going all in with motion control and I hope the devs don't get too caught up in it-- I want great motion games, but I also want normal games.

[Biggest]

Foxgod, you said this.

Fable will probably also use the gamepad to play, but will have some motion features, like grabbing objects in the game, and dragging them around.
Such a thing would be very annoying to do with a gamepad.
I also read in an interview you can smack people in Fable 3.

What in the hell are you talking about? It's annoying to press a button then move the analog stick? It'll be less annoying to grab thin air, and wave your hand around while high-stepping in place to your imaginary destination?

Wasn't there are topic recently posted about overweight/out of shape gamers? I would think they are the hardcore gaming type. They can't even get up to make a healthy snack. You don't really expect them to lead the charge on the Natal, do you?

[HSx9]

You are trying a bit to hard to make yourself seem sure about Natal. Typical 360 Fanboy,

"Maybe FPS games will still use the controller, but will have additional motion commands to play the game."

Did Microsoft ever, ever say they were going to introduce a controller for Natal? NO. Please stop it, you are hurting yourself.

[dabri5]

They don't have to introduce a new controller. They have the option of using the old controller and still let you use Natal. You should stop cause you're just making yourself sound like an idiot.

Check out the "minority report" video for Move. Stuff like that looks awesome but I don't see how it wouldn't be possible for Natal to do it too.

I hate the idea of motion controls only. I like the idea of using the gamepad but having some sort of motion control camera tracking movements in the room. Sony is sort of doing that with the eyetoy (or could have been) but it didn't track depth like Natal does (not to the same degree at least). Sony built a wii mote and expanded on it, making it way more accurate and just all around better. Microsoft took the eyetoy (and some other camera tracking designs) and did the same thing. Now it is just a matter of which style of motion tracking will succeed.

[Omega4]

Easy, MS will market it like crazy and with the slim360 everyone will want it.

Move is just the Wii in HD so when Wii HD launches it will become irrelevant.

Plus Natal will be cheaper than Move.

[xKakashi209x]

You don't know that. There hasn't been any price set for it and for all you know it may cost $150 +. MS isn't well know for setting there products at a cheap price.

[eagle21]

Natal sales will decline after only 6 months on the market. I don't have to be Pachter to guess this. :)

[hikayu17]

You don't know that . First off , when will wiihd launch ? Not soon enough . Wii is selling way too good for nintendo to bail. The ps3 offer way better value while keeping watever they love about wii(move) . Most of wii buyers are casual gamers , and they could very well careless about Mario and Zelda .Sony is offering the ps3 and move as a wii upgrade ,and it make perfect sense of doing so .
Second , you also have to think about the developers. When they want to make a game for natal , they have to have a seperate team to work on it . While the move and wii is very much similar Control-scheme-wise, it's going to be quite easy to port over .
Third , how the hell do u know that natal will be cheaper than move ? The natal has 3 sensors on it , which is going to be quite a trouble to keep the cost low . The only microsoft will be able to do so , even after cutting back the hardwares inside the natal, is to simply bite the bullet . Which is wat Sony did with the ps3 and ms will do with the natal. So , no . I don't think natal will be cheaper than move . Nor do I think move willl be cheaper than natal . I think they'll be about the same price .
I think that both of them will be sold with somekind of game at 99.99 $ . Both of them will be bundled into an sku and sold around 350$ if they still want to attract the casual crowd ( clueless kids and parents ) . Natal will have a better presentation factor , IMO . But I can't tell if either is more successful .

[DarkTower805]

The problem with Nintendo is that in terms of 1st party devs, they really don't have squat. With Sony's resources, they can do amazing things Nintendo can't. And let's not forget, the Move is still heads and shoulders more accurate than the Motion +.

Also, isn't it more economical to buy a Move if you have a PS3 rather than invest another $200+ in a new Wii?

[Zero 007]

PS3 move LAG confirm
http://www.eurogamer.net/vi...
lol

[Omega4]

@eagle21
And PS3 sales will decrease when the 360 slim releases :)

@hikayu17
"Most of wii buyers are casual gamers , and they could very well careless about Mario and Zelda"
Do some sales research please

@DarkTower805
Nintendo know how to make got motion games Sony doesnt. Look what happened to the eyetoy. Who cares about PS3 owners they arent important its Wii owners and casuals who matter.

[masterofpwnage]

so when is this slim 360 coming out where is the official statment is true. haha so delusional.
hoping on wishes now huh

[TrooGamer]

@Zero

Doesnt the article state the Move is pre alpha? Enough said

[dabri5]

doubt if the wii hd launches, the PS3 move will be irrelevant. Move in my opinion is 50x better than the wii and that doesn't even take into account the better graphics.

[TotalPS3Fanboy]

"...MS will market it like crazy..."

Then again, that is the only thing MS is great at: making crappy stuff and marketing it like crazy, hopefully people will be dumb enough to buy it.

Sony may not be great on marketing. But we all know that the success of Natal and Move will depends on the games. And Sony is great on quality and AAA titles. And as a gamer, I rather take great quality and AAA titles over pure marketing, because at the end of the night, I play games, not marketing.

[The real killer]

was a joke in my opinion.
So basically saying the article the joke Natal will beat PS Move, Sony prove it, Microsoft did not prove it, only fake videos.

I think, we will see more Natal related games at E3 than regular games.

EDIT:

Some all know better think that Natal demostraion was real, what butt head with his disagree, get some fact boy.

[Foxgod]

The wand demonstration wasnt so hot on e3 either, mainly because it wasnt done.
Both natal and move where not ready yet last e3, that will change coming e3.

You are comparing move footage from a few weeks ago, with footage thats almost a year old.

And the only thing fake was the milo promo, and big Pete even admitted that.
The presentation itself, was real, if it was fake you would have never seen the bugs with the avatars, or the 1 sec delay.

@below
Indeed, MS hasnt proven anything yet, but let them first give an up to date presentation, then form an opinion.
And again, the presentation on stage was real, it was only Milo that was smoke and mirrors.

[The real killer]

I agree with you, it was not hot but the point is that Sony PROVE it and not Microsoft, beside, i don't like those things i play better with Mouse and Keyboard and than PS3 Controller :)

The Joke is, there was no single footage from games that was only recorder.

[Biggest]

Microsoft has shown the Natal many, MANY times since the last E3. There is a late night talk show appearance. There was the breakdancing weirdo. There were a few private screenings that were later put on the respective websites. They were all with that stupid glitch ball game. They all sucked.

[claterz]

@FoxGod yeh well it's Microsofts fault that they havnt showed anything of natal in demos since e3 last year, why do you think that is? because they are saving it untill e3? I doubt it, I thinkk maybe it's because they dont want too many people to see the ricochet demo because that's what they are going to be showing at e3 2010, along with some other pointless family games that no one will want because everyone already has a wii for that crap.
And how exactly will natal "outdo the other two in terms of hardcore gaming" ? Natal will fall flat on its face when it comes to a hardcore game. Basic things that need to be done in hardcore games simply can't be done with natal. Not to mention other more advance options which will be unavailable on Natal. Some of the simple ones.
-Turning around without having your back facing the screen?
-shooting
-Switching weapons
-Going prone, and then moving forward in prone without actualy moving in real. sounds difficult huh? not to mention you'll have to be about 10ft away from the camera in order for it to see you when you're on the floor
-reloading
- And lets say you're playing a FPS and you want to knife someone, how will it tell the difference from knifing, throwing a grenade, reloading?

I'm pretty sure Microsoft are going to release a perphipherall to go with Natal, to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if they sold lots of seperate quipment like guns,steering wheels etc. Which kind of destroys the " you are the controller " concept doesnt it?

[xKakashi209x]

Ultimately the games that they will offer for the motion controller and how they incorporate it will determine who will win.

[Marty8370]

The whole concept of not having a controller fails. Thats why both MOVE & Wiimote are better than LAGTAL

Jump Out Play B3yond

MOVE over LAGTAL

[arsenal55]

Heres why it wont be better.. natal has already come out years ago when it was called playstation eye and that failed.. theres only so many things you can do without a controller (which isnt much)

People might buy it but will soon realize how boring it gets. In about a year or 2 from now, no one will even be talking about natal.

[hybridtheory12]

I think you mean eyetoy, not PS eye.....

[Wrathman]

the difference between 'natal' and 'move'...wii owners already have move.hell, even most ps3 and xbox owners have a wii.wot neither of the main console owners own is, natal.the wii was nothin new.but a bit of marketing and a glossy coat sold it to the masses.

thats the difference.thats why 'move' will flop hardest.

you sony fan boys know these hard facts.so sony made a more precise wii wand.big deal!if i own just a wii and i play it very casually..why would i run out and spend £250 for the ps3..then fork out another £100 for move?

but then you have a 3rd option.£100 for an xbox arcade and another £70 for natal.which,lets face it,might be a little like a camera add-on,but its all wrapped up new an innovative!

im sorry but no matter wot you droids think..natal will rape move thru and thru.whether it lags a little in the final product or not.it has uses beyond playin games that neither the wii or move has.

[avengers1978]

Move works with real games not just Move games. You want to know why Natal will fail, because right now they have shown a block breaking game and that's it. Milo will never actually see the light of day. Plus Move was announced, shown a few little things and everyone switch from talking about Natal to Move, and basically it has been a rush by bots to try and destroy the momentum of the Move because really it took all the wind out of natals sails.

[Wrathman]

i think we all agree that MS and SONY are goin after the wii casual gamer.

so why would a wii owner buy a ps3 and move?

thats the only question you need to ask yourself

[PLAYstar]

Unlike the "Xbox360 could only do Multiplax games". The PS3 got its own amazing and thrilling line-up of exclusives specifically design for Move integration.

@Wrathman
It seems like something is blinding u~ Your question is asking the obvious!
Why would the Wii owners buy Move?!
PS3 answers you with the games!! Thats how they ROLL!

[DelbertGrady]

It won't beat the Wii.

[aCHU]

hey and since some fools think that the move is just a Wii rip off then you can safely say its not gunna beat sony's MOVE either :)

[DelbertGrady]

I think most casual gamers will see Move as a $400 Wii. It will only appeal to people who already own a PS3, and use it for games. Like it or not but Natal has gotten lots more attention in the media and brings something new to the table.

[SUPREME RULER]

natal will die faster then the sega 32x!!!!!!!!!!!! at least the move will work! natal need 13 feet to use lol.

[br41n5c4n]

The article should state how motion controls will ruin gaming and how feeble it is to garner to the Nintendo crowd.

[panasonic23]

Microsoft SideWinder it was release around the 90s

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

February 16 2000 the Sega DreamEye was Unveiled

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
http://dreamcast.ign.com/ar...

Power Glove was originally released in 1989. Though it was an officially licensed product, Nintendo was not involved in the design or release of this accessory. Rather, it was designed by the team of Grant Goddard and Sam Davis for Abrams Gentile Entertainment (AGE), made by Mattel in the United States[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

SEGA Dreamcast was the first console with motion control

Dreameye<EYETOY<NATAL

[The real killer]

You fail big, this has nothing to do.
Sony was also at that time busy,and the link what give is a desperate action.

[GR8 1]

lol all the droids just got OWNED.

They just got a BIG SLAP in their FACE.

[Nitrowolf2]

yeah GR8?
i wonder what that says about NATAL, i mean it was called an Eyetoy copy,

"designed to be used as a webcam and a digital still camera, and there were plans for games to involve the Dreameye"
i question this, was it just pretty much just used as a standard video/pic camera? cause from the games i have seen i might be mistaking but it uses no Motion what so ever to move stuff on the screen with your hands like Eyetoy/NATAL. I might be mistaking but since you like links care to give me one that shows its motion funtion? other wise this is just a rip off of standard cameras before that time(actually i am not even sure that the camera back then also had a picture option)

[Oner]

Wow this is REALLY funny! The amount of false info in that post can be easily explained and shown as misinformation ~

"Microsoft SideWinder it was release around the 90s" ~

The SideWinder is a controller with SixAxiS features but they were not the first. Multi Axis accelerometers and Motion Input devices have been around for years in Aviation and in many other areas (especially PC). So "yes" the MS Sidewinder was before the SixAxis...this is correct....but to say Sony copied MS is falsely ladened with incorrect information as it has been done before MS.

"February 16 2000 the Sega DreamEye was Unveiled & SEGA Dreamcast was the first console with motion control" ~

The Dreameye is just a webcam. THERE ARE NO GAMES THAT HAVE MOTION CONTROL WITH A CONTROLLER INPUT DEVICE OR EVEN PS EYETOY FEATURES. I have searched for a few days to see if I could find 1, JUST 1 game that the Dreameye EVER came out with. I found NOTHING. Now that is not to say there was NEVER a game but I sure as hell couldn't find a single piece of evidence to say that the Dreameye is what the PS EyeToy was/is. So until you can provide any links, proof or information that shows the Dreameye had games like the PS EyeToy then you are talking BS.

"Power Glove was originally released in 1989. Though it was an officially licensed product, Nintendo was not involved in the design or release of this accessory. Rather, it was designed by the team of Grant Goddard and Sam Davis for Abrams Gentile Entertainment (AGE), made by Mattel in the United States"

The Power Glove is just a TACTILE INPUT DEVICE. Nothing more, Nothing Less. Not the same as PS EyeToy, PS Eye & PS Move. And definitely not motion control.

[keysy420]

gesture = eye toy voices = eyetoy faces =eyetoy
3d movement sounds good but, the move does that also. unless natal has a way to be sub millimeter acurate these fangirl articles are a far cry from reality.

[jjesso1993]

I really dont think it will. Look at the wii it started of amazing software was selling well consoles where out of stock every time came in stock and now look it software dose not sell with exceptions of mario and well established franchise. the sohvelware that was selling is not any more, the reason for this simple the people that where buying it was the causal gamers that move on to the next big thing becuase they get board the only gamers continue to support sony microsoft or nintendo are the hardcore gamers natal can not have any hardcore games it will not work without bottons. With the move sony have shown harcore games if this is direction its going to take then its got lot better chance. but both will ultimatley fail if hardcore gamers are not fed.

[Gun_Senshi]

Also Natal is just a copy of Eyetoy, it does exactly the same, the only thing it does more is you can track movement in darker places compared to eyetoy.

[palaeomerus]

I'm thinking that the wii is safe in first place and there may well not a be a winner in MS or Sony's motion control efforts. They both might well be pretending that none of this motion control stuff ever happened by E3 2011.

[The real killer]

Bots, you are so happy with a link that proofs nothing.
The capture sensor by the eye toy was develop in 1992 and demonstration in 1999.

That powerglove is a whole different thing.
The point is is that Sony way before develop with this technology the eye toy was release and that was en 1985 after the PS1.

This guy panasonic23 send fuss, shame on you boy you fail again and again.

Look al those disagre from the bots, Funny how bots ignore the facts :)

[Ninjamonkey82]

Now people are making articles about fin air ftlog! you don't know sh*t all about natal. Thats the problem Sonys idea is on the table now we hear the rumblings its better than wii's controller more percise and as demostrated capable of hardcore gaming (Socom).

Natal on the other hand has a fake video of milo and a ball game oh yeah and someone playing burnout and hitting more walls than driving straigt. E3 is a big time this year imo and if MS don't step well. The console war will be tiped on these devices its that important.

[peeps]

i could understand if we'd just heard some more news about natal but are we really gonna have several topics a week about motion controls for console x are better than console y.

chances are this will go on untill all the motion controls have been released where it will turn into articles on sales and game ratings.

the device with the best implemented controls and best games will ultimately 'beat' the others but at this stage who can say which that will be?

[Zero 007]

PS3 move sux nothing new at all = Wii HD
Natal bring to ppl something new technical for all

[Zero 007]

PlayStation Move LAG analysis
http://www.eurogamer.net/vi...
LoooooL no comments

[Nitrowolf2]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
lol no comments
either way both are not done yet, so both have allot of time till this fall

[Marty8370]

MOVE = No Lag, LAGTAL a joke see below. Difference is MOVE works LAGTAL just LAGS.

Jump Out, Play B3yond

MOVE over LAGTAL

[pwneddemocrat]

He forgot to mention the most important thing that'll beat Move and that's in Natal
you can see the bottom of your avatar's shoes !!11!1!1!!

/sarcasim

i'll buy into Natal when i see real games
i don't wanna " pew pew pew " enemies to death
btw, i've got both consoles so calling me a fanboy would just be idiotic

[spooky205]

This motion control stuff needs to die already. Lets face it. We are at a beta level when it comes to motion controls in video games.9/10 times a controller provides much better response than motion controls. Sure its nice to have some variety in gameplay, but i fear the whole "hey! I want crappy motion control too!" mentality will ruin gaming. Its already happened on nintendo. Lets face it while supermario galaxy was really good it could have best been played with a regular controller which defeats the purpose of the console it was made for.

[br41n5c4n]

It's the powerglove all over again!!!! I think Nintendo got it right this time and lets leave it at that.

[Zero 007]

of course no comments for Beta stage
but here the differents
http://www.eurogamer.net/vi...
lololol
move with LAG confirm

[cyborg6971]

Even with natal as a final product it will still have lag more lag than move or wii motion plus which will be 1 to 1 you must be new around here, or your you've been here awhile and this is your multiple account. Either way your a douche so it doesn't matter.

[Nitrowolf2]

yup its funny also, even when they were showing it off Sony went out and admit that there was slight lag in some of there games and that it would be worked out. You don't see MS ding that, instead you see them just recording a video ahead of time and showing it off, because when they did show it off we got this http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[br41n5c4n]

Whoever wins, we lose

[Zero 007]

Oh really ... did u try Natal ????
woooow cyborg6971 try Natal technical before release date

[Nitrowolf2]

why don't you just us the reply button the edit button saves bubble you know

[cyborg6971]

I don't have to use natal to know it has lag cause it's visibly there on video. And Watching it at e3 last year was too funny "BAM" kiss the bottom of my avatars shoe while I hyperextend my leg.

[hybridtheory12]

LOL @cyborg6971.

[hakis86]

but I have to wait and see what it can actually deliver, not convinced yet.

[masterofpwnage]

can anyone honstly tell me what can natal do thats proven and demonstrated.
give me a video or anything. Why is 360 fanboys hyping this up when they dont know anything about it. You have lots of good games, so dont think natal is the only hope for the 360, because thats the way it seems like you guys are thinking. all you guys say is "wait for natal and its bunch or games and it will distroy sony" but honstly what games.

[crazyclown]

natal will fail

[awesomeperson]

Ahh what?

"animate an Avatar, with an exact replication in real time"
I don't think the guy spasmed in real time, he just wanted to see the bottom of a shoe.

"There are no controls for the player to learn or for developers to program into the game"

Yes there are, you have to learn what actions you are meant to do, and the developers have to program what actions to recognize.

"Names like Turn 10 and Capcom have made it clear that Project Natal is definitely not a gimmick, it is something original and unique."
WHile at the GDC others called it a piece of crap that was terrible to develop for.

"layStation Move might be smooth and accurate, but that doesn't detract from the stick with a giant glowing ball in your hands"
Who really cares what your holding... Seriously is this pre-school. Oh noes I'm holding a glowing stick! Do you think that motion control people worry about wearing a suit with numerous glowing balls...

"a three-dimensional sensor that can track the slightest of movements efficiently"
No it has trouble tracking a lot of things.

"questionable lighting environments"
Can they make it track black clothes yet?

"but the technology can detect objects in the surrounding environment, be it gestures, voices or even people's faces."
Thats right! At the GDC where some one drew a cat wanting Milo to draw it aswell, instead of drawing the cat it drew the logo on the guys t-shirt.
It only has certain things it can recognize, hence why at GDC they had to wait until something recognized by the system was called out.

"at a rate of 30-frames per second"
Who cares about frames if its lagging.

Done.

But before I leave I'ld just like to show you guys a very nice video which I'm sure you've all seen:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[OGharryjoysticks]

as in latancy.

[JonnyBigBoss]

If it does, it'd be a failure of epic proportions on account of consumers across the world.

[bobrea]

There's no new information in this article. It will all come down to the games and the pricing.

[bigjclassic]

amiright??

[MajestieBeast]

Jack Tretton:I think it is a big idea, if you really want to get involved with playing with a camera, I suggest you go out and buy a $99 PlayStation 2 and play some of the great technology that we invented 8 years ago.

Thats your answer. Natal does nothing that the pseye cant do except for the bottom of a avatars shoe.

[MaximusPrime]

Natal is xbox 360's version of PS3's PS Eye. Nothing special.

Xbox had xbox camera straight after PS2's Eye Toy. So MS needed to catch up...

[jalen247]

If Foxgod is right in saying that games will be the indicator of who will win the motion control wars...

Then Sony and PS Move will win very convincingly because when it comes to games (variety, quantity, and quality) Sony is outclassing the competition.

If the actual motion control device is the indicator of who will win the motion control wars...

Sony has the top product in terms of features, flexibility, accuracy, etc.

If third party developer support is the indicator of who will win the motion control wars...

Sony will be in the pole position with the most motion controlled games (first party, second party and third party) due to the following:

(1) Sony has more first party studios than Microsoft and Nintendo combined.

(2) You can't port all PS Move games to the Wii because the Wii doesn't have a camera and some games may not be able to run on the Wii even with dumbed down graphics. But you can port all Wii games to the PS3 and make them HD. Therefore third parties will make more PS Move games than Wii games.

(3) You can't port all PS Move games to the 360 because Natal doesn't have a controller and buttons. But you can port 99% if not all Natal games to PS3 with a slight increase in visuals due to more available resources on the PS3 to create the game (motion devices uses less resources on PS3 than 360 and PS3 is already more powerful than 360). Therefore third parties will make more PS Move games than 360 games.

(4) PS Move will get the most ports because it can get both Natal and Wii ports. Wii and PS3 will share the same third party tiles. 360 and PS3 will share same third party titles. Wii and 360 won't share same third party titles.

To be honest I think things will go down like this:
(1) PS Move (guaranteed to have best games. Its the best motion device and most versatile in terms of ports from both Natal and Wii. Also world wide install base will pass 360 by the time motion control is released. The union of High Definition 3D with motion control will seal the win for Sony.)
(2) Wii (because of its large install base)
(3) Natal (device won't work for all genre. Does the same thing as PS Eye and PS Eyetoy)

[Azmatik]

this is really getting to me now ok let me start EVERYTHING sony and PS3 do EVERYONE is BIASSES wich i have no clue whay there are people even on this comment section who say how is PS eye 6-7 years old tech a revolution LOL if ur a xbox fan u just dissed urself PSEYE has been doing what NATAl does for YEARS and they are jus doing it now remember the eye of judgement game thats the BEST card game i have ever playd puting a card down and the eye knows what it is and shows the monster on screen and u can even poke the monster and what about EYEpet feed, bath, pet, play your virtual pet and ohh SONY doesnt get credit but when microsoft come out with this 6-7 year old technology it gets praised? LOL for WHAT? all your going to be playing on your NATAL is slap em games you cant even play those old skool shooter games what are you gonna do slap enemies on screen? this gaming generation is really geting to me its full of bull, and kids im a true gamer and love my games and the PS3 and SONY are THE BEST SONY revolutionizes technology FOR THE WORLD!! do you guys not realize that? and sony gets no credit WTF IS GOING ON??

[awesomeperson]

Even more Microsoft just bought the technology from some one else who had made it (Nintendo rejected the same tech).

[TheDesperadoKING]

It's Eyetoy, with slightly improved cameras, and NO buttons.

Will fail HARD. Bet on it.

[xAlmostPro]

i dont really wanna get involved in motion control debates..

but the articles garbage.. he's basing it on what he's heard.. unless he's just being oblivious to the fact, that at the natal demo when peter asked a guy to come on stage it failed to recognise him as somebody else.. then blamed it on his jacket.. then after another fail blamed it on the fact it was black before telling him to take a seat..

and then asking people to suggest drawings to which he picks the guy who shouts out 'cat' who then comes on stage and draws a cat for natal to ignore the cat and re-create the guys logo which was on his jumper -_-

and disagree if you want but even the talk from developers has been that natal is garbage..

and yes you can comment on the lag with move, but when its fully calibrated it works great(like with socom 4) and the games that suffered lag were still pre-alpha, yup i said it and its allowed because you guys (360 fanboys) were shouting about pre-apha with natals lag, and with halo reach not looking close to killzone 2..

so we have the evidence from tech demo's and developers, that natal is a worse pice of tech..

also the article says "if this is true" <the keyword being IF.. meaning he has no idea..

also sony has 20 games for moves release.. aswell as 36 studios in development with games for Move which is 56 in total.. but cut a few away that may come after its release its probably around 35 at release, not to count the games that aren't design specifically for it but allow it as an addition :)

the end

[Blaine]

"A number of developers have given their support of natal, with between 70% and 80% of publishers worldwide working on a Natal based game of some kind." (From the... blog.)

Do I really need to elaborate on this?

[devilhunterx]

More fluff talk. Show me the games.

[prettyboy1]

THAT TEQ SONY SHOWED IS REALY THAT ACURATE THEN THE WII IS IN FOR A FIGHT.OH MY BAD ABOUT PROJECT NATAL IVE SEEN SEVERAL VIDEOS OF IT AND TO BE TRUTHFULLY HONEST I DONT THINK ITS GOIN TO LAST IN THE WHOLE MOTION CONTROLL WAR THEY GOT GOIN ON.I MEAN THINK ABOUT IT.A LOT OF PEOPLE WHERE SAYIN SONYS CONTROL WAS A WII RIP OFF BUT AFTER WATCHIN THAT TEQ DEMO AT A CONFERENCE ITS PRETTY SAFE TO SAY ITS FAR BETTER THEN THE WII AND MORE PRECISE THEN NATAL SO U FANBOIS CAN TRY TO CALL ME OUT BUT THE HARD CORE TRUTH IS IM RIGHT.HAHA PEACE AND GOOD GAMING TO U ALL

[Shendow]

Alot of high hopes for Natal, but a lack of understanding things, one The Engadget Show, the guy behind Playstation Move has said they would have use the 3D cam (What Natal is) for PS2 but it takes about 22% or 25% of the CPU an that is kind of hard to work with.

But he pretty much said with PS3 it wouldn't be much at all but, theirs a limit on what can be done with it and this is coming from a guy that has been working on this stuff before PS2 had EyeToy.

Natal fails, say how great it is, but one thing you can't do is show me some hardcore games that work with it Vs Socom 4, EyePet, LBP and many other titles that Sony has shown off.

[GMWPS3]

This story would have been true if two things never happened:

1) Sony never released an eyetoy
2) Wii never existed

Now if MS released Natal in the above conditions then they would be by far the biggest console seller.

However reality now kicks in and says:

1) The novelty of the Wii is fading fast
2) The eyetoy was fun initially, but for the some of same reasons as on the Wii, it got boring and tiring after a while. (Who wants to spend an hour moving their body and hands around after a long tiring day at work)
3) A controller is cheaper, much less physically straining (This body movement does not count as a replacement to proper exercise!) and more rewarding from an accuracy point of view.
4) How big is your living room? Or do you have no furniture wherever your T.V. is?

[Congentleman]

What people don't seem to recognize is that Project Natal's price is probably going to be huge- it has this supposedly 'revolutionary' technology, doesn't need any controllers, tracks 4 people at once, it's going to cost a lot more than the simple Wiimote and Move, which achieve the same thing at a lower cost, at the expense of a little remote to carry around.

[cooperdnizzle]

i know people will have a problem with this comment but here it is.

now go to your computer and turn on your web cam and skype with or video chat and tell me how good the fps. and i know you will all say the natal is going to have the best camera in it and has had so much development time, but think about it if it is going to be this all great and powerful camera then how is Microsoft going to sell it at a good price point.There are points one and two now for the third.

the Playstation eye claimed to do the same thing and look at it now nothing amazing. I could be wrong now but i don't think so cause its a jungle out there. and for all the people that think i'm a fanboy wrong agian i think the playstation move will fail to and i hate the wii.

[sstrfgcv]

the xbutts will run out and buy natal and buy a new model slim xbox and then soon after realize they still dont have any games to play except surfing menu screens, cause thats the only thing natal can do.
Sony = real working games, Socom 4, KIllzone 3, Resident Evil 5 & more

M$ = Slim Distraction, Natal Distraction, No Games

[SSCOOLCHEA]

LMAO ...These mfkers are so stupid they bougth a last gen shlt ( wifi adapter , akaline batteris , DVD etc ..... . So i wouldnt doubt that they think natal is the next gen shlt . ( all of us ps fan knows its the ps eye ). You also have to think that none of these bots was probably not even born yet so really they dont know shlt .

All i'm saying is if your stuck on last gen shlt , than natal would be such an improvement for them .

[air1]

damn, we have alot of small minded ppl in here....

"bu bu bu how will i play my hardcore games with no controller?" im glad none of you are developers! foxgod made so many points on what you can do and all you small minded ppl did was disagree and come up with dumb comments like " i cant see my self holding the controller with 1 hand" wtf? you cant let the controller go to throw a grenade with a gesture? maybe you shouldnt be too worried about hardcore games..

im excited for both natal and move, cant wait.. but i do think that you can do a lot more with natal. every one is stuck thinking on what natal can do with todays games and fail to see that its all about future games and possibly new genres. who knowas what devs will come up with for natal and no controller or half natal half controller, it wouldnt cost me an extra dime to have a second player say hand me over a health pack, a new gun that only a second player can get with gestures (some kind of mini game or something)

i been holding a controller since back in the atari days, if we can start playing great game with nothing in hand and still have games with controllers, will be fine by me.. if they fail then they fail and we go back to default but if the big 3 are telling me they can wow me with each of there own motion and great devs back them then count me in, im open minded enough to see great things come from it, just dont ask me to pay over $100 for move and 200 for a new 360 slim with natal and "the big red ball" game (lmfao @ the kevin vid) look like a fun fam game.. ill clear the sofa if i have to lol..

[air1]

sony and its fanatics just have no clue on whats coming to them.

when E3 arrives i will put money down that micro will sh!t all over sony, and make all you fanatics eat it when they show off the slim 360 with natal and all its games..

funny how some f you be like " its like minority report" wtf? natal advances on minority report it does it with no glove! move is like the playboy version of minority report (pun intended) lol

[prettyboy1]

dude how u goin get anybody to believe u when i dont even think u believe natal is goin be big at e3.u jus sound like sum poor delusional person who is praying that it dont suck.u fanbois r so funny and pathetic at the same damn time

[air1]

i really dont care if you believe me or not. i think natal is going to be huge at E3, did you forget when micro said they plan on launching it like if it was a new console and lets not forget the possible slim 360 to go with it..

sony showed its hand 1st as usual and cause of that when natal really gets hyped it will steam roll through move. i will get both but i can except the fact that natal will win and if it doesnt oh well, we all go back to default..

[PLAYstar]

The journalist got to be joking. I don't know about Lagtal could even beat a pile of sh!t, and I would tell you why Project Failtal will eventually fail! I don't even need hard proves, I don't even need 2 or more reasons, or witness the completion. From the moment I heard about the product I know its gonna fail.

Simply because its created by M$!

[El Nino]

"you can use the 360 controller with natal" bs
thats not how its being marketed, weather or not you can use the 360 controller its irelevant, they hype it and market it to be controllerLESS gaming

if you think your gonna manage to be immersed in a computer game using natal your sadly mistaken, it is impossible to play 99% of games with it soley by it tracking your entire body, lets go through some example titles that are common in gaming.

Football/Soccer will not work, unless you like kicking thin air, american football, wait no ball??? FPS? no lol, hack n slash? what exactly would you be hacking n slashing with, your arms? sounds fun. driving simulators or even arcade racing games still wouldnt work, RTS games would probably be good, but its not exactly fun, people would just have as much fun using a pad and controlling units on screen that way. Fighting games? At first this was one genre i thought might be good but the more i think about it the more it fails, games like tekken, soul calibur which are a bit far fetched wont be feasible, kicks, jumps etc most martial artists cant do lol.

These are just games where you have to hold something, what about games that require actually movement on your legs, running, jumping, rolling, taking cover (Gears of war anyone???) You know the games on the wii like carnival funfair, thats what you can expect.

I wouldnt argue that Natal will probably outsell Move, but this will be the finest example that sales dont equal quality

Also the difference between Microsoft & Sony in the motion game is that Sony are advertising Playstation Move, as what it basically does on the tin, a bit more advanced than the wii but nothing mind blowing.
On the other hand, Microsoft stage an event, fake a demo n take the ignorant plaudits. Do you really think Natal will revolutionise gaming to the extent there saying, for under a hundred dollars? You could get the greatest technicians in the world and you wouldnt be able to replicate/immerse yourself in gaming like how Microsoft are ranting and raving about it, oh and if they did, it would cost thousands, thousands, thousands and thousands of pounds, not a rrp of $99.99.

[air1]

ok buddy, lets just forget the fact that IT IS POSSIBLE to play natal with the 360 controller all because they dont market it as strongly..

lets just ignore facts and continue to ask how would we play soccer games..

so let me guess it makes you feel better to be swinging your arms around as long as you are holding a glow ball stick?

and you act as if micro is done marketing the damn thing, they hardly started..

is everything doom and gloom to you before you know everything about it? why dont you give micro the chance to at the very least launch the thing if you dont want to believe what they have planed for natal..