GTAIV DLC, The Truth Comes Out

After many years of speculation, PS3 and Windows PC's finally get the GTAIV DLC. Now many PS3 rigz will tell you that Microsoft wasted $50 million dollars on this DLC. They will also tell you that GTAIV sucks and they never wanted the DLC anyways. What are they going to do now? Everyone knows that the story in the DLC is better than what was shipped with the game. If you are a GTA fan why wouldn't you want the DLC?

[belal]

right away... waiting for other games that are more important like gow3 and heavy rain. AND ofcourse AVP

[va_bank]

This should say "If you are a GTA *IV* fan"

I'm a HUGE GTA fan and that's why I was dissapointed in GTAIV. I played it once and that was it. Didn't even try to play when the trophy patch came.

I'll be perfectly honest. IF (and that's a big if) I run out of games before next fall I'll give it a shot. Probably buy it used. Again, that's IF I finish WKC, Yakuza, GoW3, FFXIII, Red Dead Redemption before Madden kicks off the fall game releases.

[xabmol]

That's how far I got in GTA4 before getting bored.

BoGT looks like it brings back some of the fun GTA4 was missing. I'd buy it to go parachuting and clubbing/sexing, but it's a little late. I already traded in my copy towards a good game.

[Redempteur]

that's how far i got into gta4 before i got bored

i must say that i got 100 because i only had to do the flying rats and i did n't wantto see the number blocked at 97.5%

[Lykon]

yeah i could'nt have put it better, plus just cause 2 comes out soon

[mastiffchild]

Can anybody tell me exactly what R* got out of the loan from MS then? I'm working under the assumption that they don't usually need 50millon dollar advances just to get games out to us let alone for DLC for which everything was already in place. Aslo wouldn't R* have been slightly swimming with cash post GTA4 anyway-it sold a few copies you know! I just don't see why R* would either want or need a loan which terms would hurt their profits, not may hurt but cerainly would hurt as PS3 sales were always going to take a hit with the extra wait.

So, MS got the DLC timed exclusive basically for nothing? Is that good business from R* who must know what a hot item the GTA franchise is and that they could have got money straight in their pocket rather than borrowing it from MS and by going the route they meant to have they actually damaged their bottom line. Sorry but it makes absolutely no sense. I'm certain MS would like u to believe it but I just don't think people give MS something for nothing-not after the way they acted in Japan over timed exclusives and getting games to go multiplat.

Sony got their three game deal with R*(again, if we believe what's written) when they agreed to day and date multiplat release of GTA4 which R* wanted and MS wanted to cement the franxchise on their console seeing that R* would be working with Sony for a bit in the future and as GTA is a big deal it makes sense for them to want to associate with it for future releases on their next or current hardware. I see MS motive and Sony's motive but don't see what R* ever hoped to gain by hamstringng the PS3 DLC when there was so little to choose between the sales of GTA4 on both platforms(and esp when you consider 360 lead was bigger back then too). I could buy a deal where MS freed up 50million for R*(though even a loan of that size seems excessive for what they had to make)and only got, say, 40million back meaning 10million for R* and even then MS are 10million in the black AND got their timed exclusivity with R* gettng a realistic sum for them risking their PS3 profits on the DLC.

Be honest and put yourself in R*'s shoes:why would you allow MS timed exclusivity for a sum you knew you'd get back anyway? The onyl thing I can possibly see in it is that MS didn't charge interest but that kind of figure on an investment as safe as GTA(esp with GTA4 sales and reviews)would be negligable compared to what R* would be able to make on the PS3 DLC alone if released in tandem!I'm not an analyst or economist of any kind but if anyone can tell me why R* would do this I'd be very glad to be made to understand as, right now, I jut can't see any sense in it from their side at all and as a result I don't believe it for a second.

BTW, I'll be buying the PS3 DLC(didn't get it for 360 as I have the PS3 GTA4 and at the time of TLATD IIRC you had to have the disc for the downoad, no?)when I have the time and the money but will be gettimng bona fide NEW games which we've been being hyped for in the time that passed while the DLC was pretending it was MS exclusive and I don't know how many PS3 gamers will be bothered with it at all-esp wth no cut in price or extras to sweeten the long wait-it's going up agaimnst some serious Sony exclusives as well as some massive multis around the time as well(FF13, GOW3,HR,MAG,Y3,Bioshock2 and even R*'s own RDR!)so, imo, it needs all the help it can possibly get!

The GTA4 hate still bemuses me even now-I thought the storytelling and mature approach was exactly what the series needed after the excess of San Andreas which grated on me and seems too SR looking back on it now and had R* gone any further down that road they would have turned into a parody of themselves very similar to what Saints Row ended up doing.

I still don't see what R* get out of a loan deal that would allow/force them to risk their sales on PS3-the more I think the less sense it makes. Not that anyone tells us lot the bloody truth anyway, mind!

[Edward-Kraken]

*reads title*

w-w-wait a sec.. TheTruth came out? Where? I cant seem to find a butthurt spin job around here. :P

[MetalGearRising]

Enjoy the left overs droids i've moved on to better games on xbox360.

[damnightmare]

Didn't see you last night trolling when this was announced, were you too sleepy?

I guess you had to get up for pre-school early.

It's ok, I'm sure the other kids will share their cookies with you some day.

[NYC_Gamer]

Awww all the bots are upset

[KratoOwnsAll]

What better games? lol

[Double07]

xD

What do you reckon his reaction would be if this was the other way around? And 360 owners were getting the DLC which was thought to be only on PS3.

It'd probably be the greatest day of his life.

[Hellsvacancy]

Theyd spit roast us mate, theyd laugh, call us losers youll never hear the end of it

Thats Fallout and GTA lost

[AngryFork]

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[KiRBY3000]

i lol'ed

[TheHater]

.

[bjornbear]

=3

[gunnerforlife]

above me ^
is that the actually mass effect box?? why aint there any only on xbox 360 tag ???

[Consoldtobots]

cause it's coming to PS3?

[champ21]

was great playing the pc version @ 1920*1200 very high settings with 60fps. Might consider getting the dlcs on the pc.

[Kakihara]

Gotta love these articles in which someone has obviously read a thread here and rather than comment in the existing thread runs to their blog to write and submit a piece called, 'The real truth about _______'.

[Theoneneo81]

But but the 50 Million.

[Deadman64]

lol and how much did microsoft make on the DLC? Look it up and get back to me.

:)

have a great one!

[ChrisW]

"Apparently, Microsoft got this $50 million dollars back, plus another $20 million in profit."

[GiantEnemyCrab]

What do I think of what Aaron and John said at the Breakfast? They are corporate lip wigglers and liars.

MS doesn't want exclusives because that costs money and take investment from a corporate perspective. MS simply want to lie and stretch the meaning of the word "exclusive" and pretend they actually have them.

I think it's safe to assume if MS does not own the IP and they use the word EXCLUSIVE it is either A) Timed or B) A straight up lie.

I hope the gaming community wakes up now to this lip service. MS knows they can't compete when it comes to first party so now they are simply trying to manipulate the language.

ME2, Gears, etc are all coming to the PS3.. You just have to wait.. And just less reasons to own a 360..

[Killjoy3000]

This is exactly why Microsoft needs to start building first party studios now if they want to compete next generation. I think the 360 will get by just fine this gen, but the successor will definitely need to ramp it up when it comes to exclusive game. Standing on one platform of success (Xbox Live) is never a good business model. This is where the Playstation 3 thrives, because they have a great network, a fantastic catalogue of games, great third party support, and reliable, future proof hardware.

Now that the 360 has established the Xbox brand as a serious competitor, they need to bring the heat if they want to be taken seriously.

[Obama]

wow crab I am surprised that you are actually able to see the bigger picture here.

ME 1 and 2 will probably come to the ps3 in the near future, but MS has probably locked down Gears 1-3 as exclusive through contract or alike.

[NYC_Gamer]

its the truth MS will never have true exclusives because they dont have strong first party support...

[Qui-Gon Jim]

I would wager that Microsoft will instead depend on Natal to attract exclusive experiences from developers. If it is successful, they won't have to spend any money on studios or exclusivity deals.

[TheHater]

OK, who hijack GiantEnemyCrab? I think we need to contact the Admin for N4G because it look like someone has hack GiantEnemyCrab account.

[baum]

My post got deleted for what? I didn't even say "PS3 is superior" or any nicknames for fanboys of anything, I only said "And for that reason, you shouldn't buy a 360 because all of its exclusives will be available eventually on PS3, which is not the case the other way around".

[pippoppow]

Even though GEC prefers the 360 it is irrefutable that MS gives back it's fans the least compared to other platforms. Almost every highly wanted game is either timed exclusive or also available on the PC. MS charges for XBL for what? Less dedicated servers and hardly any real exclusives to warrant continued support. It's unbelievable how easily duped some gamers are.

Sad that MS' way of doing business has garnered them the success it has. I'm glad they are not in first place leading the way. It would be even worse for the future of video gaming.

[TheBand1t]

Crab is probably the most impartial gamer I know.

[Qui-Gon Jim]

I think it's just that when he sees what he thinks is PS3 fanboyism from someone, it stirs his inner XBox fanboy that has been otherwise dormant since he bought a PS3. He is often one of the more rational people on this site, though.

[Cajun Chicken]

MS have done that day one with the 360. Most the original 'exclusive' franchises have jumped ship now and become multiplat. Ironically, I think more franchises that started on 360 have now crossed over to PS3 than vica versa.

Lets see.

Saints Row
Condemned
Dead Rising
Bioshock
Ninja Gaiden
Lost Planet

can't think of anymore atm, but you get the idea against;

Tomb Raider
GTA
Tekken
Metal Gear

Anyway, I'm going to stick with the one WITH the exclusives and the free online.

[-MoOkS-]

how was it a waste? do you know how many people went out and bought 360's and gta4 becasue ps3 didnt offer the same content/experience?

ps3 will always be a step behind 360

[NYC_Gamer]

because ps3 owners will get the same dlc and sony didnt have to spend 50mil...

[Darkeyes]

Last time I checked Rock* was whining about poor DLC sales... Guess all those who went out and bought 360s for it forgot to get the DLC :P

[KratoOwnsAll]

PS3 behind 360?

Tell that to the AA batteries inside your 360 controllers ;)

[Icyhot]

And DVD....

[Nathan123]

Don't forget the lack of Wifi and Bluetooth or mandatory HDD. In bot logic, behind=ahead.

[-MoOkS-]

yeah, because hardware is all that matters right? xbox was far more powerful than the ps2 and had it beat every way, technically, yet ps2 had the games.

360 has the games, ps3 has a few hardware advantages. games > pointless hardware that makes the system more expensive

[NYC_Gamer]

what games?those same multiplat titles that are also on ps3..

[Darkeyes]

"360 has more game" LOL ironically the best "GAME" on the 360 last year was this so called 'Exclusive' GTA DLC pack LMFAO.

What 'GAMES' are you talking about lol? ME2 lol firstly it's multi-plat and see how it makes to the PS3 in some time like all the other so called 'Exclusive' Bioshock, Oblivion, GTA DLC, Fallout DLC, Saints Row.... List goes on and on. 3rd Party exclusives=Dead this gen and the worrying factor for bots is that 3rd party is all they got unlike Sony with it's awesome 21 First party studios.

Sony got the games and the better hardware. M$ got 3rd party TIMED exclusive LMAO FAIL.

[CWMR]

-What the hell are you talking about? The best rated exclusive last year was Forza 3, you moron.

Who cares what Sony didn't spend or how much it makes, from a gamer's perspective to have to wait to play something gamers on the other console already got to play a long time ago is not something to brag about.

PS3 is always last.-

[Theoneneo81]

you mean forenzaflop oh yeah and what game won a majorty of Goty ummm Uncharted 2. which last i check was ps3 try again you fail.

[ChrisW]

Uh... they do sell rechargeable and interchangeable battery packs. The AA battery case is just for initial use.

I thought that the biggest bot haters even knew that...

[irepbtown]

I don't get it,
Lots of xbox 360 'exclusives' are on pc, meaning they aren't exclusives.
Whereas the PS3, Exclusives are exclusives.
And PS3 has lots of games including PS2 games.
Games like GTA San Andreas are still fun to play.

But xbox isn't bad, i like it, but the lack of Wi-fi, paying for online...
Just means that i will allways stick to my PS3.

But anyway back to your comment, PS3 will allways be a 4 steps ahead of xbox

Bluray, free online, wi-fi, better exclusives (UC2, KZ2 mgs4, i can go and on).

[Major_Tom]

Um.... Uncharted 2 got unanimous GOTY and a solid 96 on metacritic, what are you making up in your fanboy fantasy

[ChrisW]

Well... it would be the same if a game was ported the PSP. It would no longer be a PS3 exclusive.

As for the PC and Xbox360... Microsoft is predominate in both.

[seifer085]

from a butthurt fanboy. I love how they assume profits like it's their money anyways.

[Ninji]

Test in.

[ClownBelt]

Lmao. That made me laugh.

Betabox 360. It suits perfectly.

[JonnyBigBoss]

More games will follow suit. Timed exclusivity is the new exclusivity.

[Troll_Police]

Next: Mass Effect 2 and Splinter Cell: Conviction.

[pippoppow]

MS has more games once exclusive that have jumped to another platform this gen. They are a joke when it comes to exclusives.

Alan Wake next? May likely happen.

MS has only a few exclusives that can't be played on any other platform.

[thief]

the 360 just cant keep any exclusives, Bioshock, ninja Gaiden, Condemned, Dead Rising, Lost Planet...

But really, everyone lost in this case. Most PS3 owners would have sold off their GTA copy by now, so wont be able to enjoy this. Rockstar also loses out on revenues. And MS got no real advantage out of their deal really, as 360 sales got absolutely no boost from this exclusivity.

[ThatArtGuy]

I still have mine. :P Finished it twice. Once without trophies, and once with trophies. The only trophy I'm missing is the Wanted trophy, which is a LOT of needless grinding.

[mikemadden]

somebody is butt hurt. lol

[GiantEnemyCrab]

How is he butthurt? It seems to me they just explained the situation and put to rest the lies that the fanboys have been spreading that MS paid 50mil for timed DLC. When in actuality it was a loan and MS made 20mil off the deal.. People spreading FUD like "MS 50mil funds Agent" and this article is simply setting all that straight..

[jjesso1993]

Any pc ps3 gamer needs to buy these episodes. these where what gta 4 should been. Micrsoft where stupid why so much surprise ? all this does is give rockstar 50 millions dollars to make agent an amazing ps3 exclusive but this could also be worrying rockstar still lied and said these would never come ps3 or pc so think i have lost a little respect for rockstar hopefully they can earn it back making agent a ps3 game to remember for years.

[Charmers]

I am the one that disagreed with you and I will tell you why. As a PC gamer I don't take too kindly to being treated like scum by Rockstar. If PC/PS3 owners buy this DLC in large numbers then you are just given Rockstar the OK to do this again in the future.

If PC/PS3 gamers turn their nose up at this DLC then hopefully it will convince Rockstar to put a bit of effort into the actual game rather than release a half baked main game and bulk it up with exclusive DLC.

I was a long time PC GTA fan and I won't be buying this DLC, Rockstar can go forth and multiply for all I care.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

"all this does is give rockstar 50 millions dollars to make agent an amazing ps3 exclusive"

This is exactly why this article was done to clear up misconceptions like this.

The money paid to R* was a loan and it's been paid back in full along with a nice 20mil profit.

[maxcer]

@6.2 "This is exactly why this article was done to clear up misconceptions like this."

No point to trying to explain this to fanboys, they already have their minds/posts made up on the subject. no amount of truth will change that.

it's also amazing how fast the userbase changes thier tune after hearing the news, MS/R* announce exclusive episodes and in turn the community says GTA4 sucks, now that it's announced for PS3/PC everyone going to pick it up now.. i dont get it.

[TheProfessional]

Both GTA IV DLC Episodes are excellent, especially The Lost and Damned (Better characters/story than Gay Tony) Anyone who couldn't play them on 360 needs to pick this collection up on PS3 or PC day one. If you enjoyed GTA IV or even if you thought the story was mediocre but saw the potential then you owe it to yourself to play Lost and Damned.

On a side note, this situation is just like what happened with Bioshock. All the PS3 only gamers called it "Biosuck" and said how it was an overrated joke and they didn't care about it.....until it got announced for PS3 six months later. I guarantee you that everyone who said they didn't want the GTA IV DLCs and wrote them off just because they only own one console; well they'll all be playing in March.

[ClownBelt]

Beta version FTW! They've been beta testing the PS3 owner's games for years now. lol

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi_]

;-D

[LtSkittles]

I for one welcome the dlc with open arms, because I loved GTAIV's story.

[AliTheBrit19]

Good to see PS3 owners can finally get this awesome game, Episodes From Liberty City is amazing :)

Hope the long wait wasn't too bad for you guys :(

To all Droids:

The $50 Million was a loan and had NOTHING to do with the timed exclusivity of Episodes From Liberty City.

And Rockstar paid Microsoft $70 Million Dollars

So by PS3 Fanboy logic, that's $20 Million Microsoft has taken AWAY from Agent development costs, Right? ;)

[baum]

You call everyone else stupid while implying PS3 owners were actually waiting for this even though they had games to play. How ironic.

You know, the other day you PM'd me saying you're not Nasim, but you're just as stupid.

[NYC_Gamer]

Awwww that only for 360 sticker on the box means nothing...

[exnihilonihilfit]

I've never heard that it was a loan, and I've certainly never heard that Rockstar gave MS $70million in return. MS isn't a bank, so I don't see why Rockstar would borrow the money from them anyway. Can you provide an article to prove your statement. Really, I'm not arguing against you here, I just would like to see your statement verified as I'd never heard that before and from what I can tell the only other sources for that information online are a few posts on some other forum. This article says that MS made $70million dollars off of the DLC, but that's not something that rockstar paid them, it was just their share of the profits off of the DLC, which is what they would have made anyway. In fact, if they hadn't paid them the 50 million, it seems they would have just made $70 million as opposed to now just making a profit of $20 million. Also, that was just a projected profit, and it's not clear that the sales of the DLC were high enough to actually generate that much revenue.

[irepbtown]

Wait?
After i completed the story missions of GTA IV, i played a bit of online and now i dont touch it.
And who would wait?
Lot's of other games to play. me? i'm not getting this DLC,
I'm just going to wait for GTA V. I wonder what MS will do to that...

[Vip3r]

Bioshock all over again.

[keysy420]

anyone who thinks that MS wasnt going to turn a profit on this is crazy. 2 million isn't chit for grand theft episodic content. plus rocstat did get funding for red dead and agent from the 50 million. business is business but to say that MS didnt fund Agent is also crazy because in alot of ways it did. So thanks Ms for being dumb and paying 50 million for timed exclusivity when you could have jsut taken the money and did something good like a new ip. now for all the ps3 fans who want the game which is probably +5 million 300,000,000 dollars revenue from that.
it just seems like Ms is in a sprint and sony is in a marathon. you cant sprint forever eventually the other people will catch up.

[rawd]

Thanks for testing bots. Mass Effect is almost gold. Keep it locked

[unrealgamer58]

lol im going to pirate the hell outta this

[gamer2010]

Once again PS3 fanboys show what they are made of. Liars and thieves.

[Raider69]

This is just the kind of thing that will happen to AGENT on the PS3 and ME2 on the 360 !They are all time exclusives!Exclusive is my Ass!Money talks!Fanboys shoud get a life!

[Pillville]

oh, I thought maybe it was a story about TheTruth2009 coming out of the closet (not that there's anything wrong with that).

[JD_Shadow]

I do think this is more of a "MS isn't going to be able to do deals like this anymore" thing where they can lie to people about what is going to happen and act as mouthpieces for companies. I think this is a sign that MS needs to worry more about they own asses and stop trying to buy out things from other companies and trying to "beat Sony". Beat Sony by doing your OWN thing. Give me a reason to turn my 360 back on. ME2 is a start, but even THAT has the "may go to the PS3" tag on that. Worry about making a safety net.

That and this is a lesson for us to "never say never".

[jackdoe]

Bitbag, bitbag, bitbag... Sigh.

Anyways, the reason why the DLC is coming out on the PS3 and PC is due to the fact that the GTA DLC did not sell enough to match the $50 million advance and thus probably voided the contract or at the very least let Rockstar out of it. Now Rockstar is looking to recoup costs as that $50 million advance is gone (with some of it taken back by MS) and will release it on the PS3 and PC.

Of course they won't make as much as they would have had they released at the same time, but hey? Mistakes in life make good lessons!

[Shendow]

From what I heard, alot of people that played GTA4 said is suck, PC, PS3 and 360. So I don't know where someone would get the idea that PS3 users are the only ones.

GTA4 I like an I got it preorder for the PS3 before I had one, I was happy with my copy an my friends that got the 360 copy wanted to trade me because of the box (Collections Ed. or whatever it was) and I my not have my copy of the game anymore do to bills.

But the gun case, bag and box are all like brand new an sitting at my house, I'll by the game again when I get around to it, I got to many old PS3 titles I want and only two of them I got.

MGS4 and Folklore (MGS4 $20 and Folklore $5)

[josh14399]

ps3 owners are very lucky the lost and damned was better than the original game. if i didn't have it on my 360 already i would be getting it day one

[Ps3rd-Place]

once again ps3 gets the dregs. time it should leave the console scene to the big guys

[NiiGhTx]

Grand Theft Auto 5

[xg-ei8ht]

I don't care and will not be buying it, didn't even like the original game.

But heres the thing.

How exactly is it $50million down the drain. Down the drain is when you lose money, they did not lose money, they still gained $20mill.

Of course Sony will make money as well.

But people are acting like M$ got nothing out of it. and the game didn't sell, well it obviously did.

[exnihilonihilfit]

And neither can many of the people on this forum.

The money MS paid Rockstar was not a Loan which Rockstar had to pay back, it was an advance payment, which simply means that Microsoft paid for something ahead of time before actually receiving it. That is, Microsoft paid for the DLC before it was finished. An advance payment is different from a cash advance, which MS would not be able to give to Rockstar since MS is not a banking institution. In financial jargon, "advance" by itself always refers to an advance payment, not a cash advance. Clearly a bunch of broke people on this site think that since they go down to the Moneytree to get cash advances that multimillion dollar corporations do the same thing. You're sadly incorrect.

Furthermore, the note that is quoted in the article states that MS expected the DLC to sell over $70 million in revnue for them. Key word: EXPECTED. I think everyone knows that that DLC did not sell $240 million worth of units (which is what it would take for MS to get $70 million). Moreover, MS did not profit as much from the Episodes from Liberty City disk as they did from actual downloads from XBL . In otherwords, I'm pretty sure MS lost money on the DLC deal. But!!! and this a big but. They did see sales increases for the game itself, which means that they may have made the money back there (though the percentage of profits that MS makes on games from third party studios is much less than what they make on DLC, since they can charge the companies more for DLC because MS is the sole distributor and there are no publishing costs). Furthermore, that deal rapidly increased the popularity of the Xbox as a system on the whole and so they've definitely made a profit based indirectly on console sales. Still, they probably didn't have to pay $50 million for that anyway.

The real truth for PS3 fans, though, is that the $50 million did not go into paying for Agent, it went into paying for some of the DLC development and into paying for the marketing. The profits from the DLC, which was all profit because they didn't have to put their own money into marketing and development, went into the development of Agent.

[jackdoe]

MS also reserved the right to a refund of some of that fifty million if expectations were not met. I assume this was the case which may have freed Rockstar up towards making the DLC available for the PS3 and PC.

[exnihilonihilfit]

I don't know why someone would disagree with you unless they have some sort of information refuting your claim, in which case they should have just posted it. Anonymous disagrees are so useless.

[TABSF]

Even though it is very funny that Microsoft payed $50 million for DLC which is now multiplatform its only $50 million, pocket change for Microsoft considering that made like $19 Billion in the last 2 quarters.

[P_Bomb]

People here need to READ the quotes from Next Generation in that article before calling MS the victor in this with an unsubstantiated 20 million profit.

READ. IT.

That even goes to the guy who wrote the article. Read your own sources.

Back in 2008, MS EXPECTED it to do 70 million. Expected. Just like Michael Pachter expected PS3 to outsell the 360 during this last black friday NPD period (which it didn't), just how I expected to get a Christmas bonus, but didn't.

Expecting something doesn't mean it'll happen, and with suits like Take-Two's friggin' CEO saying that the GTA4 DLC sales were disappointing and underperformed, don't expect that goal to have been reached, or they wouldn't be saying anything negative about the experience in the first place.

In 2008 (a year and a half before Gay Tony was even released) MS expected to make 70 million. Doesn't look like they did.

[Dellis]

lol at the stupidity of "PS3 gamers said they didn't want it anyways"

that is the biggest load of crap ever, I know plenty of gamers

who thought it was coming eventually, 360 fanboys were the ones saying

"no it won't, it cost 50 million", now all of you are mad.

So this defense force for Xbox fanboys is pure trash, that site's credibility went down the toilet.

[ATi_Elite]

Lets be clear on some talking points here.
GTAIV sucks and San Andreas is still the best in the series

The DLC didn't improve the graphics or game play just added a different story and it didn't sell well either.

Microsoft or MicroDumb paid 50 million dollars to only make 20 million in return. That was a huge risk for minimum gain (as far as corporations go)

Rockstar got paid 50 million dollars to do basically nothing.The DLC was already made.
I guarantee you Rockstar is using that 50 million dollars towards AGENT for the PS3.

Now whats really funny is that the DLC will generate $70 million dollars for the PS3 without Sony investing 1 dime.

Microsoft could have made $70 million without buying exclusivity.

[tripewire]

Am I going to buy GTA4 again to play this?

Lol. No.

[jackdoe]

You don't have to. The Liberty City Stories is stand alone.

[horndog]

always bragging about old material. We are now in 2010 droids and NOBODY gives a sh!t anymore about GTA. Enjoy last years port though guys, the bots have moved on to the latest and greatest for 2010.

Once again play behind.

[irepbtown]

GOTY was UC2.
And i think thats a PS3 exclusive.
And yes, games have been moved to 2010.
But the line up,
I don't know what you Fanboys will think.
Heavy Rain, MAG, GT5, GoW 3...

[Adolph Fitler]

If downloadable missions are better than main game, then I feel jipped that I paid $90au, for the disk based game. Why did they release GTA4 as an inferior experience to that of $30 d/l'ble content.

For the price of the 2 or 3 d/l'ble extras at $30 per episode, I would prefer to just put the money towards, Just Cause 2, Mafia 2, Red Dead Redemption, Aliens Vs Predator, or any other up and coming FULL GAME. The extra map packs for COD:WAW sold for $16au per pack, there were three map packs released. Thats equates to more than half the money needed to buy COD:MW2....SO why would I buy a piddley 3 maps for $16, when that is money better spent towards my next full game purchase, or even buying awesome d/l'ble games like SSDHD or Burn Zombie Burn, and still coming away with change.

Forget that, I made the mistake of buying extra maps in Resistance, and then nobody played them. For me, the d/l'ble content wore off a while back, and was totally cemented when Activision started harping on about planned map packs for MW2, before the game had even gone gold. What bunch of rorters. These turds are pulling out three maps from the finshed games, and selling them later on to milk us for more. I have no doubt, these maps were done, finsihed and ready to ship with retail release, but activision thought, "no, f@#k em', we'll sell this in 2 months for $16"........

[CWMR]

-Good old Delaystation 3. Always a year behind. Enjoy your time-traveling journey to last year, droids.-

[dkgshiz]

MS paid $50 million for these expansions and now its coming to the PS3. You want to know why? Because Rocskstar is using that money for Agent. Which is a PS3 exclusive by the way.

[gamer2010]

Agent won't stay an exclusive, I bet you anything. Unless Sony pays a huge sum of money for it.

[Kerrby]

Actually Agent has to stay exclusive otherwise Rockstar will be breaking their contract and have to pay Sony $20+ million that they paid Team Bondi to make the sh*tty La Noire game.

Sony still gets La Noire and a new IP exclusive in Agent.

Win win for zony.

[Kazu0 Hirai]

LOL at the dumbasses that think $ony got the DLC for free. Yes, maybe microsoft paid 50 mil for timed exclusivity but $ony is definately paying out the ass to get the dlc as well. and they wont sell anywhere near the amount of units the 360 version sold.

[Hanif-876]

I don't care about you guys but GTA IV is still one of the best games this generation and i won't pass on this :-)
Games that i'll be buying in 2010 are:

Gran Turismo 5
God Of War 3
Heavy Rain
Battlefield Bad Company 2
GTA IV Episodes From Liberty City

Thats my budget for this year :-)

[Kazu0 Hirai]

Good call, all those are going to be excellent games. the only thing i might disagree with is purchasing heavy rain. seems like more of a rental type of game to me. it doesnt have any multiplayer, and as great as the single player may be, i dont think it will be very long in length.

[Official General]

I'm a PS3-only owner and I think I will be getting this. I was disappointed with the main GTA 4 game and I've heard and learnt that these episodes, especially Ballad of GT is alot better. Yep, I will get this later down the line. Thank you, Microsoft for paying $50 million for this DLC to come to my PS3. I'm still a big GTA fan despite being letdown by GTA 4, so on hearing good things about these episodes, they sure do interest me.

And it's bull....MS did not make a loan to Rockstar. The guy somewhere above who said it was an advance was right. Rockstar were paid huge cash advance by MS, which in turn has funded this so-called exclusive DLC, which we now know was timed.

[Dev8 ing]

Day 1 PC Download, F U R*. Lying C0cksuckers.

[Kyur4ThePain]

That's an ass-to-front argument if ever I heard one.

[Koromaro]

GTA IV was Meh

[thehitman]

Me how much the dlc cost and how much of it sold?? And just to put the ENTIRE profit loss etc debate to an end...

"Update June 18: Next Generation reports an analyst’s comments that the $50 million is an advance payment, and that Microsoft typically takes 30 percent of sales of Xbox downloadable content – indicating that Microsoft EXPECTS!!!!!!!!! the exclusive episodes to generate at least $70 million in revenue to recoup the payment and generate a profit."

Lol obviously this didnt happen so MS took a beating.

P.S. Actually reading the article does wonders.

[RumbleFish]

Sold that crap game a long time ago. Had to force me to play it to the end. Boring, boring, boring. Long live San Andreas + Vice City! And it is true I never cared about DLC for one of the most overhyped games of all time.

Oh, and btw: I don't care about M$ having payed $50 000 000 for whatever either!

[DarkEdson]

Is that sony could have destroyed microsoft when the RROD problem surfaced but they didn't why? It is because sony realizes that in order for the game industry to thrive it needs competition and with out competition there is no reason to improve and sony is counting on microsoft to help rein nintendo in. Contrary to popular belief sony sees microsoft as an ally in the fight against nintendo. Both sony and microsoft are trying to advance gaming while nintendo just keeps doing the same old crap trying to live off their past glory with new gimmicks. However i do believe that sony needs to return to their roots and start improving the quality of their products and also realize that chinese parts and labor may be cheaper but they are far inferior to japanese parts and labor. In closing i just like to say GTA4 sucked balls GTA3 was the best in the series not San Andreas because if 3 never came out you wouldn't be playing any of them.

[Kiriel]

I tried to read that article but it's so poorly written, I can't make any sense of it at all...

[lonix]

For ruining the gta franchise forever

I don't know if I can trust rockstar again

[heroprotagonist]

Wow, everything is Microsoft's fault in your mind isn't it.

"Damn Microsoft, they wrecked Haiti with an earthquake."
I can just hear it now...

(Being serious, though, my sincerest condolences go out to the people of Haiti. It is so tragic what happened there.)

[Tru_Blu]

Could care less about who, what, when and where. Fact is the game wasn't that good and such a long time ago, IMO who cares? Why even bother making the DLC for PS3?

[jackdoe]

To recoup costs. The DLC did not sell well on the 360, so they hope to make back their money on the PS3 and PC. Shame that will fail though. It has been two years since GTAIV and the marketing steam has run out. Hell, it ran out last year which is why the 360 dlc did not sell as well.

[itsralf]

I'm no longer interested in GTA4, and sold my copy over a year ago.

[SuperStrokey1123]

Well just cause they expected to get back 70 million doesnt mean they did, its well known that the gta4 DLC sales were dissappointing. My guess is that they were no where near close enough to reach the 70 million. How much profit does MS make off of each of these things being sold when the were for 19.99? Maybe 5 bucks?

That would mean for it to reach 70 million they would need to sell 14 million copies of the DLC, or roughly 7 million each and they only (not that only is really accurate here as thats a tonne of games lol) sold roughly 7.5 or something million copies on the 360. There is no way in hell they had that good of a connection rate for both of the DLC's. I just doesnt make sense. That is unless MS makes more than 5 bucks a episode which is of course possible.

[Henry Cain]

BullSh!t article.

[ReBurn]

I haven't played the DLC. I'll probably pick up the disc version when I can get it for 20 bucks used.

[Justin_bristoe]

i mean its fun watching box zombies bleed over this but who wants this old crap?

i never finished the first mission on that game.i played multiplayer until i sold it lol!

[prejur]

MS paid $50 mil for TIMED exclusivity? You've got to be joking.

Even more to prove MS does not know what gamers want.

[ReBurn]

As a gamer, why would any of us care how much Microsoft paid for anything as long as we get the games we want?

[orange-skittle]

You must be an idiot or just plain retarded. Microsoft didn't bank on the DLC selling consoles. They banked on the game selling more on their platform. It was a multiplatform game you moron. No one expected GTA4 to sell their console. Console sellers are exclusives. Games that cant be found on the rival console not multiplatform titles. Learn something while you're at school you dummy.

In case you didn't know, it worked. Just like it worked out well for Batman on the PS3 w/ the joker DLC. If you want to bash the DLC go right ahead because it's you fanboys that will be losing out in the long run. The Ballad of Gay Tony was amazing. Actually, better then the main story w/ Niko. I applaud Rockstar for listening to the fans and making that DLC a must buy purchase. Best $20 spent in a long time. All PS3 loyalist that kept saying "WE DONT WANT IT!" will be the first ones buying it. That's why they are the punchline of every joke when fanboy jokes are told. They have no loyalty and stand behind nothing. PS3 exclusives don't sell well and they complain about everything not PS3 related.

[Enigma_2099]

For $50,000,000... I NEVER expected this to happen. I'm just glad it did. I really wanted to play the expansion, but not so much that I would buy a 360.