Bungie: Screenshots Are From A Pre-Alpha Build

Bungie Employee reveals the screenshots from both Edge magazine and Gameinformer are from a pre-alpha build on twitter.

[deadreckoning666]

Thats what we've been trying to tell the haters for the past week. Reason and logic isn't their strong suit :)

BTW: HHG was the FIRST one to confirm that the Halo Reach beta will include a single player mission.

[MGSR THE HD VERSION]

Halo haters will hate on anything you put in front of them.

[SnuggleBandit]

i think we could all tell that

[ryuzu]

Just as well or there would have been some very disappointed people around.

At least now there's still a shot at GOTY for Reach...

r.

[Blaze929]

I doubt that...

[LEGENDARY PELON]

Reading this just made my day!

It put a big o smile on my face!!

"AND A TEAR SAYING "DAM" ON THE FACE OF THE PS3 FANGIRLS"

Like the guy said, "The real thing is looking hawt",

Matter fact Halo Reach will sell like hotcakes, will get HAWT reviews, and the overall game is going to be HAWT-A*S!!!

[Saaking]

I can't wait to see the final build.

[Traveler]

Wow only pre-alpha? It already looks outstanding.

[JANF]

@ DeepInterludium

Fist of all, the first video was a target render video not the alpha build
and Halo 3 look much better than that 2nd screenshot.

[niceguywii60]

Please know what you're talking about before you post like you know what you're talking about. When has that first pic been claimed as pre-alpha? That is Target build for Halo 3, it did not happen because the Halo 3 engine needed "GUTTING"

The pre-alpha Halo Reach character models already surpass the Halo 3 target build.

Nice Halo 3 pic in your 2nd link. Did you do something to it?

[niceguywii60]

You already proven yourself to be either ignorant or a lier. So stop spamming this article with Halo 3 pics and Halo 2 pics please.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

What makes you think you know exactly what sequence all developers develop their games? Some work on graphics first and gameplay second. Others work on gameplay first and graphics last and many do a mix of things.

[DeepInterludium]

@niceguywii60

Thanks for backing me up to prove that the Halo 3 footage is Pre-Alpha while completely missing the point.

Halo 3's graphics got WORSE pre-alpha to final.

Halo 2's graphics got WORSE pre-alpha to final.

Bungie is using pre-alpha as an excuse for all the criticism they received. Could the game look better pre-alpha to final? Sure, but history has shown they can't back up early screens.

[el zorro]

@DeepInterludium

Xi already showed how you were wrong.

You probably didn't do anything to the screenshot, but Xi already showed how you can get screenshots that show whatever you want to show. Those Killzone 2 screenshots he showed looked horrible and light years away from the first Killzone 2 trailers.

Show me a true gameplay screenshot from a pre-alpha build of Halo 3, not an early trailer which wasn't even found in the final game. That screenshot Xi showed of Halo 3 looked basically the same as that trailer and it also looked the same as the final game except for a shinier armor on master chief.

All I know is that these images from Halo Reach look really impressive and I am willing to bet you that the final version will look just as good or better.

[SilentNegotiator]

I want to see actual 720p screen captures now....

[WildArmed]

@LEGENDARY PELON
Wow.. that made your day?
That is kinda sad o_o

But either way, I'm eagerly waiting to try the reach beta out xD

[TROLL EATER]

haters need to realise this aint no linear sequenced game like uncharted or mw. halo reach will have so much more processing ontop with great graphics

cnt wait to see the final product im sure the environments wil be amazing and those wheather effects.

[Unicron]

Linearity has basically nothing to do with processing.

[Bnet343]

Exactly what Unicorn said. The fact that a game is linear or not, has nothing to do with "processing" Do people read what they type these days. lol yeesh ... -_-

[Traveler]

I think he might be talking about how big and open the environments are in Halo as compared to more linear games.

[Cueil]

Troll Eater has some basis in reality... one of the more impressive things is that Halo: Reach doesn't use a skybox... a linear game is easier to create at a high level... just look at the most linear games on the PS2 and you can see that's true... God of War 2 was pretty impressive on the PS2 but it dealt with a very narrow field

[SilentNegotiator]

You are what you eat, TROLL EATER.

[WildArmed]

@silent

LMFAO.
Comment of the day =p

+bubbs

[watchman]

Anyway anything related to the Xbox 360 in here gets bash, just watch how many disagree i'm gonna have. lol

[Christopher_Walken]

That's a paradox, sir.

[Silly gameAr]

You guys really get off on playing the victim huh? I've noticed that a lot lately.

[Kurylo3d]

They really aint playn... look at me.. i have 1 bubble... look at u.. you have like 80... cause u probably speak positive on sony stuff.. and i just speak the truth even when it sounds bad for sony...

[blue7xx7]

Yeah that is true I have both an xbox 360 and ps3 but I notice anyone who talks bad about sony or the ps3 usually get more disagree's and have very few bubbles. Anyways good to see Halo Reach is only going to improve from what we have seen.

[Pootangpie]

I can't imagine how good the final product will be Sony fanboys will probably say otherwise and bring up BUT THE DVD9 LIMITION OH NOEZ

[steck67]

It's nice to hear that Bungie's stepping up to their game. That looks pretty nice for being in pre-Alpha stage.

Hope the final, retail build show what Bungie is capable of doing. I'm very excited for Reach.

[Dsnyder]

First its "just pre alpha" comments then we will see "BEST GAME EVAR!" comments near the end. Dont fall for this. They already admited in thier "its not halo 4" article that its just another spin off. Go and hype up mass effect 2. It deserves it.

[xLordOblivionx]

Honestly, this doesn't look special at all. Sure, it's alpha, whatever, but it still looks below unreal engine 3 graphics. It honestly does, and I doubt it will improve that greatly.

[Traveler]

"it still looks below unreal engine 3 graphics"

No it doesn't. Come on guys, be fair here. It looks really good.

[Cueil]

I wonder how many of you got to see URE3's pre alpha builds?

[So Easy I Can Do It]

it looks like halo 3

[starchild]

What would you know? Caveman.

Halo Reach sure does make some of you defensive.

[Omega Zues]

Of course those are, why would bungie show us any final build pictures right????

lololololol

And Starry Night was in-game!!!

WOWZA!!!

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Impressive. Anybody with some sense can already see the big improvements. The final product will bring a lot of anger and jealousy from the other side.

[LtSkittles]

I am sure jealous of Halo:Reach. Oh, wait no I am not. I can look past all stupid console crap, and actually think that Halo:Reach looks good :).

[mt]

it is really big improvement for halo series if you know what i mean .

[Obama]

No match for the mighty kratos.

[LiViNgLeGaCY]

Haha why not both? I agree I'm more excited for GOW III, but I'm getting a little hyped about Reach now too. Bungie finally decided to make Halo look next gen.

*Shrugs* Guess I'm glad I have both systems so I can enjoy both games.

[SDF Repellent]

I wonder if GT5 is still on Pre Alpha stage. Maybe it is still in Prehistoric Alpha Stage. LMFAO

[chrisulloa]

Kratos! HAHAHAHAHAHA

[Obama]

Even if GT5 is in Prehistoric Alpha Stage, it still looks better than Reach. ;)

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Oh Snap!!! droid am cry :(

[iDystopia]

Kratos is so cool that none of his games have even passed the 3million mark. Man, everryone loves Kratos and the last place turd
burglar console. Only in Crazy Ken Kutaragi 4D fantasy PSTurd land.

Everything will be destroyed by Reach in 2010 3rd place Flopstation PS3rders. Last place droids have become all together deluded by their ass backwards, Xbox wannabe movie player.

[DelbertGrady]

Mass Effect 2 is 2/3 longer than God of Wa3, has deeper customization than GT5(not that hard to beat really) and has better shooting mechanics than MAG.

[CWMR]

-Obama, sorry to tell you but GT5 hasn't impressed me so far. Forza 3 looks and plays better than GT5P and the GT5 Time Trial demo, and I doubt the final game is going to be all that much better. It will have a lot more content, but I don't think the graphics will be too much better. God of War 3 looks really good, but it is hardly the bar raising game that ps3 fanboys claim it to be.-

[Karooo]

I dunno why you bots go near the graphics when the last good looking game on 360 was in 2008.

360 is not about graphics its about having fun and online, stick to that don't go near graphics please.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

GT4 sold 12 million when there was 120 PS2's, droids are so delusional they don't see facts.

[Obama]

Sodabot, Mass Effect 2 is a rpg, and 30 hour is VERY short for a rpg. On the other hand GOW3 is an action game, so 10+ hours is very fitting not to mention that it will feature epic action not possible in ME2.

[Obama]

"GT4 sold 12 million when there was 120 PS2's, droids are so delusional they don't see facts. "

yeah just like how the bots don't see the 1 year head start the 360 had.

[el zorro]

Halo Reach looks damn good and it is only going to be improved more between now and when it comes out.

[Dark360]

Stop using drugs...Drugs are bad...

[TruUnknowN]

Maybe they heard of bad stuff going along with those pictures that they had to tell everyone that it was a "pre-alpha" build? My opinion of the matter.

[OpenGL]

I'm a little confused as to how anyone has been able to pass judgment on how good or bad this game will look based on those low quality magazine scans.

[Traveler]

I agree in part. Those scans were not real clear, but I think it gives us at least an idea.

[Godmars290]

1) Isn't it a bit odd that Bungie would present those shots w/o saying beforehand, much in the printed interview, that the shots were an early build.

2) As opposed to all the "Haters" haven't all the fans of the game been nothing but awestruck of these shots? Now many of you are coming out and calling them "meh?"

[Xi]

when it looks like gears of war. How come no one was saying meh to them?

People like what they like, I've heard a lot more 'meh' about halo reach, in the halo articles, then 'meh' about god of war. Heck, if you think the game is 'meh' why even bother going into the articles.

[Godmars290]

Because a centaur was getting its guts ripped out? A god getting his head torn off? Nevermind that you're trying to compare stills to actual game footage.

And again, the only people saying "meh" are the same exact same people who got excited seeing MC walking. many of the same ones who are going "meh" at old Halo Reach pics because someone from Bungie is saying its okay to go "meh" at them. Days after those pics were released and approved by Bungie themselves.

So that begs the question why would they put them out in the first place, or are they doing damage control from the "meh" reaction of their own trailer?

[SaberEdge]

People were impressed then and they are impressed now. I think people were just wondering at what point the game was in its development and Bungie answered that. You are trying to read into things too much.

[Arnon]

Godmars... really?

[Godmars290]

Yes people were impressed, but were they impressed with what was there or what they wanted to see? Were they just giving the exact same reaction they've given to every other Halo title since Halo 2 needing months to admit the game didn't quite meet hype or expectations? How long before Reach is out are we going to hear that it wasn't utter perfection, but that MS and Bungie will make it up with Halo 4?

How many times has the 360 camp been referred to as suffering from battered wives syndrome?

@Arnon:
"Really?" What? Why would you waste a bubble on a completely empty, pointless and especially non-humorless comment?

[Arnon]

Why have you wasted 3 bubbles that have nothing regarding:

"Bungie: Screenshots Are From A Pre-Alpha Build"

"1) Isn't it a bit odd that Bungie would present those shots w/o saying beforehand, much in the printed interview, that the shots were an early build."

^^^^

This is asinine. There was no precedent for Bungie to make that claim. It would've come across as smug and touting their graphics, which isn't an image that Bungie wants to promote.

I mean, is there honestly a reason why you're making a mountain out of a mole hill?

"2) As opposed to all the "Haters" haven't all the fans of the game been nothing but awestruck of these shots? Now many of you are coming out and calling them "meh?"

This one doesn't even need to be asked. It has nothing to do with anything. It's simply troll banter, and honestly, I'm not even sure why you're in this Halo: Reach thread.

1. I'm not even sure you like Halo.
2. Do you even own a 360, let alone play it regularly to justify your negative opinions upon a certain product that you have hardly any information on, except for the fact that it is in Pre-Alpha stage?

In conclusion, both of your original points were nothing but flamebait. They had nothing regarding the subject at hand, and were comprised of topics that you knew would upset the public.

Also, who's calling them "meh"? Can you actually clarify people who were saying at one point that they were beautiful, and suddenly stated that they were unimpressed?

[el zorro]

"How many times has the 360 camp been referred to as suffering from battered wives syndrome?"

By who, Godmars, PS3 fanboys? Seriously, that is a very stupid comment. I've never heard it and if I ever did hear it I am sure it would be coming from a PS3 fanboy.

[Godmars290]

So Bungie can claim that they're using the 360 to its utmost but they can't tell a magazine that pics they're giving it of the game aren't from a preliminary build? How would it be taken as anything but positive if they said that? And yet that little detail is leaked via Twitter days after some reaction of them has been taken. At the very least that smacks of some manipulation, or Bungie believes that some of the negative comments - despite this being the internets - carry some weight. That they needed to be a position to do damage control.

My "hater" comment? I felt like putting out the question because if you check some of the responses in this thread there are more than few that express doubt much less concern. From many who have been comparing those pics to KZ2, U2 and GOW3 for the same stupid and shallow reasons fanboys always have.

As for not knowing from my comments weather or not I hate or like Reach much less own a 360, no you don't. I haven't been questioning the quality of the Game or Bungie's ability to deliver, just how the fanbase is reacting. Which is a bit sheepish.

By some of your comments in this thread that you stand ready to pick GOW3 apart for its faults but can't be bothered to name them, has told me much about you...

@el zorro:
Then you probably weren't around when Tales of Versperia or SO4 for the PS3 were announced.

[Arnon]

Firstly, it wasn't meant to pick God of War 3 apart. The fact that you make that presumption is evidence of how unreasonably belligerent you are.

If you would like, though. I could tear the game apart and show you each of it's individual shortcomings.

[DatNJDom81]

GOW3 looks like gears??? your not serious are you? if your joking then I'll lol cause it was a pretty good joke. if not, then watever your smoking, just stop man. seriously.

As far as halozzz reach, if this is prealpha then its going to look better obviously. lets just wait for the game to come out before we say that it looks worse or better than a PS3 exclusive.

[Sikct9a]

It's looking really nice.

[Karooo]

bungie and peter molyenuex are known to lie a lot.

they must have seen the 360 fans crying after seeing the screenshots.

[chrisulloa]

Bungie really hasn't failed to deliver unlike Peter, ODST wasn't even from the whole Bungie team. Halo 1, 2, and 3 were all amazing.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

I knew someone at Bungie would shed some light on this.. Good to know and I'm excited to see a recent build.

[djtek184]

Thank God they're pre alpha because they look horrible.

[ELite_Ghost]

now let's see what 360 is capable of ;)

[jalen247]

That's good to hear. My fears have now been settled.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

No spin for this...hmm? its ok we all know your true anger is in the fact that you have no games in 2010.

[InFAMOUS1]

Anger? No. Jealous? No. I bought Halo3 when I bought my 360 and turned it off after 2 days... I'm glad those screens were PRE-alpha.. Maybe the bots can have some eye candy for once. Ya I know you got Gears but that game is only pretty on focused areas, like when you look off the center screen it looks like crap. So HOPEFULLY with halo's big maps it will all look good. I will be happy for you guys that after 4 years you finally get a descent looking game.

[iDystopia]

Haaaa shut your mouth lying insecure Droid.

PS3rd.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHADHAHAHAHAHAHAHH AHAHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[InFAMOUS1]

how can I be insecure when I get to play 99% of the games you get to play, plus TRUE exclusives?? Im pretty sure that makes me a PROPER gamer and you a zombie bot.. You know NOTHING about gaming and EVERYTHING about trolling..

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA HA
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AA

edit: OH!! I would like to say "Sorry to burst your bubble" but you got none left...

[CWMR]

-InFamous1, how can you claim that you can play 99% of the 360's games? The 360 has more than 800 games and the PS3 has only around 470.

If you returned Halo 3 and went and played some mediocre ps3 game like Resistance then you are just showing what crappy taste in games you have.

Oh and Gears of War 2 is still one of the best looking games I have seen. There are very few games I have seen that look as good as that giant worm scene. I also think the sections in the Hollow are among the best graphics I have seen.-

[Michael-Jackson]

Spin it? they are basically admitting its running on the Halo 3 engine AKA looking bad.

[InFAMOUS1]

Its called a Dell Alienware Desktop PC... As 99% of your library of titles are also available on the PC.. So ya.. I get to play 99% of your titles IF I want! Gears 2 looked almost exactly the same as gears1, it had a little bit more polish and lighting.. So while gears may be one of the best looking games out, its not the BEST.. Personally I would have to go with KZ2, followed by UC2, UC1, MGS4, and THEN gears.. Im not hatin on your precious Halo.. I never played resistance either.. Im not into space aliens jumping 20ft into the air and shooting rainbows at ppl. Thats why I liked KZ2.. It was set on this alien planted but you were still human, even the Helgast were human-like.. So again, im glad those were pre-alpha because other then character models it looked like SH!T.. Now hopefully M$ will stop taking your money and giving you nothing in return, maybe, just maybe you guys will get a game that can truly compete with what the PS3 is beginning to bring to the table.

[Jerk120]

I was actually going to waste my time giving you an intellectual response but when I saw that ''99%'' I realized that you were a dumbass that didn't know what the hell he was talking about. Same goes for ''rainbows''.

[Dylantalon1]

i cant believe people are still holding on to hope that the xbox 360 has some untouched power that is suppose to show it can surpass the ps3s heavy hitters when that is just pipe-dream. halo reach looks nice people but lets be honest, the pre alpha build doesnt look as good as resistance 1 on ps3. people might disagree but if i tell people to name the top 5 best looking game graphically on a console we would name 5 ps3 exclusives. i can consciously say that by the end of 2010 the ps3 will have the top 10 best graphically advanced games exclusive to the console .

halo reach looks nice for a xbox 360 game, lets not get ahead of ourselves like a lot did when alan wake, gears 2, splinter cell , lost planet 2, bioshock, and brink screens were shown and people declared them graphics king or start comparing them to ps3 top exclusives. i miss when fanboys try to lie to themselves and say graphics doesn't matter and say only gameplay does.

[SaberEdge]

You are so full of it. Resistance 1 is a mediocre looking game to me. Even Halo 3 looks better than Resistance.

I have both consoles and I can easily prove it to you. (PM me and I will play you in a PS3 game of your choosing). And if I were to make a list of the top 5 best looking games on consoles there would be 2 360 games, 2 PS3 games, and 1 multiplatform game.

And if we are talking about games that haven't been released yet, there are several games on the horizon that look as good or better than either of the two best looking PS3 exclusives. (Halo Reach, Rage, Alan Wake, and Brink, to name a few).

[niceguywii60]

What does your nonsense post have to do with the developers of Halo saying the game is pre-alpha?

Why do you post both your gamer tags when you troll? So you're a gamer that prefers Sony's consoles heavily! and owns the 360, big deal.

The character detail is on par with the best in the FPS genre on all platforms already, and don't be fooled by the place holder detail in the environments.

[dafecruz]

i hope you are kidding because i can name quite a few FPS's that have superior character models...

[hazardman]

All I know, is that for a Halo game it looks GREAT!!!

[Figboy]

back at E3 2009, certain 360 fanboys were hating on God of War 3 and it's visuals, despite it being more than 8 months from completion. PS3 fans tried to say that it wasn't a completed product, and they were dismissed and ridiculed.

turnabout is fair play, i say.

Halo: Reach is in Pre-Alpha, a good 6-8 months from release, and while the graphics are looking way better than Halo 3 and Halo 3: ODST, it's not indicative of the finished product, and it still has months of polish to go.

so PS3 fanboys are having a bit of fun.

it's not exclusive to one "side" or the other. fanboys are fanboys.

3 years ago, this site was a HAVEN for 360 fanboys like Power of Green, The Mart, etc, and they took it upon themselves to sh*t all over ANY PS3 exclusive news posted on this site, not to mention the field days they'd have with all the multi-platform articles where the 360 version clearly outclassed the PS3 version back in those days.

times have changed, the PS3 has proven itself, and so far, the Xbox 360 hasn't had much going for it in terms of games pushing the graphical envelope (the last one was Gears of War 1).

2010 is looking REALLY good for the Xbox 360, and Halo: Reach is shaping up to be a damn nice looking (and naturally playing; nobody ever said Bungie didn't know how to make a fun Halo game) game.

but that's not going to stop PS3 fanboys from getting some payback when the opportunity presents itself.

so they sh*t on the Halo: Reach visuals despite knowing it's early footage, just like 360 fanboys sh*t on God of War 3 visuals when it was early days, and then had to eat crow with these latest screens (although uber fanboys like Bungie still pretend that GoW3 doesn't look amazing).

i'm not a Halo fan anymore, but even i was very impressed with the Halo: Reach screens, and i'm looking forward to seeing later builds of the game myself.

but for the love of GOD, stop acting like one "side's" fanboys are "worse" than the other. they're ALL assholes. it's what fanboys do: annoy the living f*ck out of whoever isn't a fanboy of the things that they are fanboys of. it's fricking irritating as hell to try and talk about something i enjoy (in this case, games, on any console), and have to constantly get into it with the fanboys. grow the f*ck up already. you aren't winning any cookies for sh*t-talking a console you don't own, or have any intention of owning.

i have a 360 and PS3, and i play the games on both systems that appeal to me. i have my preferences, but in the end, i just want to play good games. i'm looking forward to picking up Mass Effect 2, Alan Wake, and Fable 3 when i can, and i'm looking forward to picking up White Knight Chronicles, Heavy Rain, and God of War 3 when i can, not because of what system they are on, but because the developers making them have an incredibly strong track record of making fun games. fun games are fun games, whether it's PS3 or 360.

Halo: Reach isn't on my must buy list, but it's certainly on my "one to watch" list. it may be the game that brings me back to the Halo series, in particular because it seems like it's actually TRYING to do something different with the Halo formula. that warrants at least a consideration from me.

[Arnon]

God of War 3 is the epitome of what makes and ultimately ruins Sony franchises. A reasonably successful series of installments get elevated and exalted as the zenith of graphical gaming. So much emphasis is put on revering the title that it cant reasonably match the expectations, and after it's released, it receives adequate scores from reviewers, but ultimately disappears. That's what happened with Killzone 2. There was such an expectation of grandeur, that it was ultimately received as a great, but largely inaccessible game.

All the moronic banter surrounding God of War has positioned me so that if I'm not critiquing all of it's shortcomings, then I'm agreeing with the inane, ravenous dogmatism.

The fans of God of War 3 overemphasize the mediocre aspects of the game, and eclipse the finer, stronger facets of it. It's honestly a shame that a great game is ultimately going to get spurned dismissed. But perhaps in years to come, it will be rediscovered, and truly appreciated for what it was meant to be.

[webeblazing]

you saying all that like they're gonna listen they just gonna get mad and go off to a ps game and spread lies and downplay the game then ps fans is gonna do the same in a 360 article on and on it goes. as for me imma criticize what ever i see that needs to be i knew it mostly was in some alpha stage never really criticized this game only said what i want to see in it maybe cause i dont judge screen shots and they didnt show nothing. hey maybe yall should wait for e3. O and not too many people can say too much about gow3 it looks the best in its genre they need to work on the combo tho.

[niceguywii60]

So a known PS3 fan(you) posted this long rant about god knows what, should be taken seriously because he just picked up his 360 not too long ago because he doesn't want to miss out and claims Halo Reach the biggest game on the 360 this year and the biggest game this year on all consoles, might be on his watch list. WOW

What the hell are you talking about? You think 360 fanboys were a problem? The PS3 fanboys have been the problem on N4G before the PS3 even launched when N4G was split up into sister sites(people like Figboy and Nasim started the problems here)(I know I use to be TOPGAMER). PS3 fans are the worse group of fanboys for sure so stop it. I'm just trying figure out what prompt you to puke such a rant in the first place.

The way PS3 fans act has nothing to do with PS3 supposedly proving itself. PS3 fans have been this way the entire time and will always be this way because they see PS as a lifestyle threatened.

[TheBand1t]

One long string of commenting fail.

[Figboy]

if i could pinch your cheeks i would!

i disagree that Halo: Reach is the biggest 360 game this year. personally, i think Mass Effect 2 easily eclipses it in all aspects.

HOWEVER, Halo has always been a quality series, despite me dropping off after part 1 (i played part 2 and 3, but i just didn't dig them like the first one).

i guess it's impossible for anyone to be a fan of the PS3, and yet still respect and enjoy the Xbox 360.

my favorite genres are action/adventure, survival horror, and RPG. i enjoy an FPS now and then (current faves being Resistance 2, Killzone 2, and Borderlands), which is mainly why Alan Wake, Mass Effect 2, and Fable 3 are higher up on my list than Halo: Reach.

you guys are being incredibly sensitive because i'm not creaming my pants over Halo: Reach, and you aren't satisfied that i'm actually interested in seeing how it turns about, because it's actually tinkering with the Halo formula.

i wouldn't be surprised if i enjoy Halo: Reach more than you diehard Halo fans BECAUSE of what Bungie is doing to alter the series/formula.

as for the GoW3 comments: there isn't another action/adventure series, from DMC, to Ninja Gaiden, to newcomers like Bayonetta and Dante's Inferno, that have the sheer level of polish and quality the God of War series has in terms of character, story, scope, and game design. that's not subjective opinion. it's FACT. the level design of DMC? Resident Evil with an action bent. Bayonetta? Resident Evil with an action bent? Ninja Gaiden? Resident Evil with an action bent. that's not a criticism of those games, but lets be real. there is barely any character/story in a DMC, Ninja Gaiden, and Bayonetta. they are most certainly EXCELLENT in what they do, which is create a very visceral, visual action experience, but they hardly bother with anything like a coherent, interesting narrative, or characters with any type of depth. it's anime in video game form.

God of War attempts to tell a story, with an actual defined character (despite his violent rampages, there is a character buried in Kratos, most of it only seen in small glimpses, in particular when involving his wife and daughter), and they tell it spanning incredibly designed levels and setpieces. God of War 3 is expanding on that formula in a way not possible on the PS2.

the truth is that the game DOES look spectacular. the PS3 has been the whipping boy of graphics since Resistance: Fall of Man was unceremoniously sh*t on during the many Gears of War vs Resistance articles plastered on N4G.

because of the constant, nearly 3 year BASHING the PS3 has gotten for graphics, PS3 fanboys are understandably reveling in games like Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, and God of War 3 (not to mention Gran Turismo 5)that push the graphical envelope as much as they do. those games are visual showpieces.

Mass Effect, Alan Wake, and Splinter Cell: Conviction are visual showpieces for the 360.

why do people like you have to be so wrapped up in your own fanboyism that you can't acknowledge when the competition has some good sh*t?

the 360 has some good sh*t hitting this year. the PS3 has some good sh*t hitting this year. i don't play my 360 a lot, and last year i barely touched it outside of playing Shadow Complex and replaying games like Fable 2 and Mass Effect, but this year is very different. there are a handful of 360 titles that i'm really looking forward to (Mass Effect 2, Fable 2, Alan Wake, and Crackdown 2). and like i said before, even Halo: Reach, because it honestly looks GOOD.

god damn you fanboys make me hate associating myself with ANY of the extreme fanboys that own PS3's and 360's (like nasim; for the record, don't EVER put me in the same sentence as that guy. EVER).

people have their preferences, but only on the internet are they demonized for it. it's like high school all over again.

it's either you have to be EXTREME in your excitement for a game, or you have to be INDIFFERENT. there's no middle ground here, it seems.

so i'm not ball-bustingly excited for Halo: Reach. f*cking SUE ME.

i'm not ball-bustingly excited for Gran Turismo 5 either. who gives a flying sh*t?

oh, wait, you guys do, apparently. but you aren't going to read this anyway, so it doesn't matter what i say.

[Arnon]

"that's not subjective opinion. it's FACT. the level design of DMC? Resident Evil with an action bent. Bayonetta? Resident Evil with an action bent? Ninja Gaiden? Resident Evil with an action bent."

This was quite possibly one of the most jaded comments I've read in a while. You're an idiot, and your comments consist of nothing but ramblings of a person who sounds very insecure about his personal self... over the internet.

By the way, it's most certainly not a fact. Also, what the hell does "Resident Evil with an action bent" even mean? I take it you didn't even read my simple to understand comment, and instead just went with the assumption that I hated God of War.

How about sticking to a single topic so people can take you more seriously. It was pretty lul though that my friend read that comment and basically said,

"Wow... he just brings a bunch of disparate into a bunch of fighting games and compares them to Resident Evi-... I don't know, he just doesn't make any f*cking sense."

[Antan]

FAO niceguywii60, Power Of Green, Why Dis, Really Duh, I Did Not Murder Him, Cooliris, Morganfail, PSlim, The One, GOWIII3, We Won, Moneybuyseverything....etc etc.

Just when i think you couldn`t possibly stoop any lower.

"I use to be TOPGAMER"

Really? The same Topgamer (now Elite24gamer) i have on my 1st 360 friends list?! ........

http://www.n4g.com/up/2765....

Epic EPIC failure sunshine! Always remember ive been here as long as you ;)

Reported duplicate account.

[ForROME]

Halo is a great franchise rather some people try to kill it out of spite etc

I agree teh graphics in HALO after part one, have never been that much better, I agree the the gameplay is not that complex

the good part, that doesnt matter halo consist of killer story and multiplayer.........and we HALO on!

[Pistolero]

Do you really think the graphics have not improved since Halo 1?....if you do that is just sad....you really should give up on judging game graphics if you are that blind....there is a massive difference between Halo 1 and Halo 3....and now Halo Reach is another pretty big jump.

[NatureOfLogic]

Jealous of Halo LMAO

I'd be jealous of anything but another polished Halo

I'm burnt out on FPS games

[webeblazing]

i still dont get what yall is talking about with this new gameplay yall want with these FPS most of them been the same for the longest they usually play different the way you want the story to be told to the player. i guess yall want some rpg elements in it huh ( but then it it will be mass effect) lol. i say better story telling in every genre its kind of getting crazy everybody always arguing over shooters.

[awesomeperson]

Ouchhh I think either A) There are now 10X more bots than there used to be (the numbers seem to fluctuate when they forget their multiple passwords)

or

B) There are now more multiaccounts from the bots

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

You mean like yours?

[Michael-Jackson]

Hmmmmm they announced it was a Alpha build, damage control to keep the bots hoping? so they admit the screen-shots look like crap, Thanks Bungie!

[Dance]

We already know this

[Dance]

Show me another console game that can have 40 smart AI and 20 vehicles in a screen at once

[Renewman]

I'm not sure if that's supposed to be a touting point.

[PirateThom]

I'm still waiting to see it from Halo Reach because none of the screenshots released thus far have anything close to that.

[bjornbear]

show me!

[PirateThom]

Oh, it's definitely damage control.

Just like when the Halo 3 Beta came out and "bububu the final build will look better".

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

The only damage control here is coming from you droids.

[PirateThom]

Don't stop believin', hold on to that feelin'.

[Deadman64]

Nothin to see here folks. Obviously the screenshots are not of the final build which is months away. Obviously the game will look better, thanks to Bungie's time spent at polishing.

Expect to see Sony Fanboys (Like the one above^^) on damage control for the next year, including after Reach is released. Because all of 2010 everyone will be looking forward to Reach, and through next xmas, playing it. Sony Fanboys will get no game on the spotlight this year.

:'(

[chidori666]

the final product of this horrible game not gonna change much..

mark my words bots.

[el zorro]

I honestly don't care if they improve or not. The graphics already look amazing to me. But you have to be stupid if you think they aren't going to improve anything between now and when it comes out.

[cb4g]

@CWMR

7.4 -
-Apocalypse Shadow, you are being really absurd.

Go into the God of War 3 articles, how many 360 fanboys do you see? Very, very few. There are a lot of us that don't think God of War 3 looks all that impressive, but we refrain from going into those articles and stealth trolling the way a lot of you PS3 fanboys do.

That's a load of rubbish mate. Go check those God of War articles and you'll see a tonne of rabid fanboys trolling in all of them. Fanboys are a plague... on both sides.

[Pistolero]

Sorry...I see way more ps3 fanboys in Halo Reach articles than I see 360 fanboys in GOW3 articles.

[hiyaku]

the bots cling to twitter for their gaylo, how cute.

still looks like sh*t.

[Deadman64]

Actually:

"For example, the build that brought you the latest batch of media assets was already weeks old when we scrubbed it for screenshots. Pre-Thanksgiving, in fact."

http://www.bungie.net/News/...

[OmarJA-N4G]

D-d-d-d-damage Control! LMFAO! at Bungie. :D

[Wii360BeatsPS3]

They pulled the same pre alpha bull**** in 2007 when people said Halo 3 looked like crap. And at release Halo 3 still loooked like crap. Don't fall for their lies, Bungie suck when it comes to graphics, just like Turn 10. Halo Reach is going to be average because they are milking the franchise to death. And have said time and time again they don't want to make more Halo games. Their heart is not in it. Their has not been a good Halo game since the original Halo.

[Pistolero]

Your post is so full of fail....first of all Forza 3 is the best looking racing sim on consoles...it looks better than GT5P so saying that it doesn't have good graphics is basically saying that GT5P has even worse graphics....second Halo 3 did not look like crap...it didn't quite live up to the graphics of Gears of War that people had gotten used to but it still looks really good....third, they are not milking the franchise...there have been far more sequels to many other games in the same amount of time as there have been for Halo...fourth, Bungie never tricked anybody before and I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.

Halo 3 and ODST are two of my favorite games this generation so I take exception to you saying that there have been no good Halo games since the original Halo....that is just not true....the reviews and sales prove it....or are you one of those people that think your opinion is a fact and is worth more than anybody else's opinion?

[Karooo]

GT5p has better graphics than forza 3, you can check the digital foundry and GT5 will be even better.

so stop your BS about GT5.

[Man_of_the_year]

Better graphics are subjective. So he is not lying. I do think that the interior of GT5 looks better than Forza 3. But don't mistaken that. Forza 3 still looks awesome.

However the outside environments look WAY much better than GT5. GT5 has just put a lot of resources in the car models. However don't forget that EVERY car in Forza 3 can be customized and damaged. So with all those extras going into the car, its harder to keep Forza 3 cars to look as polished as those in GT5.

So again, he is not lying. Nor are you.

[gameman]

oh dear are we in denial mode again so gaylo 3 have good graphics it's the same engine as gaylo 1 for god sake also odlc (4 hours single player + the same 2 year old gaylo3 with the maps you already paid for )don't lie to your self they are milking halo like anything we have gaylo wars and odlc on 2009 the same year!!!! and after less then one year we have gaylo :reach good we will see gaylo catrs soon the funny thing is that Microsoft don't have any games of it's own only fable and flopza witch is suck hard and gaylo and gears of flops are already on the pc also alan wake + Mass Effect 2 witch is also not belonging to Microsoft

[BLADE_X8]

We have all seen/played Halo 3 and ODST. The 360 is doing well, but people should not look at other graphicaly great games to compare Halo to. NO fanboy stuff needed, but the PS3 and PC are both a lot stronger than the Xbox 360. (People talk about specs all day, but do not understand that a great system needs a great processor...Xbox 360 is in 3rd place here.) Anyway, Halo: Reach will look very similar to Halo 3 and ODST because the devs. are using the same base structure. People looking to see Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, Crysis, Call of Duty (I think MW 1 looked better than 2), or Mass Effect 2...are asking for too much from Bungie.

I'm no Halo fanatic, but the game's bread and butter was off multiplayer, not graphics. We have all seen the previous Halo games, and it's fair to say that the graphical and physical enhancements have been minimal. The game will sell great and at least....bring the same stuff from the past, which is what the fans want.

[hoops]

You put the PS3 in the same power camp as the PC? LOL
Sorry that was funny considering the memory limitations and GPU limitations and now the CPU limitations of the PS3 compared to a mid range PC.

[wages of sin]

Than most (especially PS3 fanboys) would like for us to believe. Technobuffalo has an ongoing series where they talk about just this but these videos particularly are of note.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[BLADE_X8]

I'm confused on what gamers want from this site. It's called News 4 Gamers, right? So...how are people with different gaming opinions going to know if another fanboy is right about their game? I believe in only the PS3 the generation, BUT if I hear a lot about Mass Effect, Alan Wake, and Splinter Cell....then I want to look on Xbox 360 articles to see what is being said...and maybe, I just might buy a 360. (MAKE SENSE DON'T IT?!)Same goes for Xbox 360, PC, and Wii people, who want to see/read the hype about another console's games.

Sure it's all about trash talk, but I see that a lot of people don't even use debating logic with this site. It appears to be all about the bubbles, which doesn't mean anything, compared to sharing quality and un-biased knowledge on here. If I think the PS3 is better, then I use gathered info, combined with articles on multiple gaming sites/forms, to share my view. I don't care if someone else has a 360, I just talk about why/why not the PS3 is great. Halo arguments don't mean a thing....people who like it, are not going to suddenly change their minds, based on what a PS3 or Wii fan says. Instead of getting so sensitive, people should use educated debating skills, to counter arguments/points of view. When you read a ignorant/insult on here, it just shows that the person dropping those 1-liners got owned, and has no real intelligent come back. When someone says that Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 both look better than Halo:ODST...rather than call them a fanboy or troll (And disagree..to take away bubbles), just point out the fact that Halo multiplayer is a lot more fun, and the stat tracking was made better by Bungie. (As I owner of Killzone and Uncharted, who as also played the Halo games, I would agree with that.) See how debating works? People get so mad about the weakness of their game, when every game has a weakness!! I use this site to keep informed on new games, and talk about topics in gaming/systems.

[cpuchess]

How can something be Pre-Alpha?

[OlvaR]

well, if it's not in the alpha phase yet how do you wanna call it?

[cpuchess]

Alpha means beginning so how can something be pre-alpha

[bjornbear]

oh no full price game sorry we lied.

=/ Peter and the wolf =/

[AnotherGamerUser]

Look at all those jaggies!

[GeoramA]

Fact is: Reach will end up looking like another sub-par, non-HD Halo title.

[EVILDEAD360]

Halo: Reach will be Bungie's ultimate smackdown to it's haters. Let em' bicker all day about screenshots etc.

The game has been in development for over two years and they still got enough time to make another ODST..these last 8 months will push this game from pre-alpha build screenshot to another Halo masterpiece.

Yup..after watching all of the articles pour in for the game in January..this will clearly be the biggest game the industry has seen in a long long time.

Evil

[Jumper09]

@GeoramA

Not a fact.
A fact is,that here r soo many stupid PS3 fanboys...soo horrible.
All PS fanboys r mad because Duke nukem Turismo 5 got delayed^^

[dafecruz]

wow just had to bring Gran Turismo 5 into the picture. Sad thing is you dont release that the reason for the delay was because to many exclusives were releasing around the same time

[OmarJA--N4G]

This game destroy every single Ps3th exclusive since 1995.

Will sell a lot more than Gran Turdismo 3.5 :)

[OlvaR]

talk sh1t about halo, you'll just make it more famous!

can't really wait until september! like halo 3 (and every halo game),
reach will remain on the top of the charts for years and years!
i really hope they show us a vidoc at the end of the month

[peeps]

i kinda wish they hadn't of released shots if thats the case (unless they release some more recent shots that show a massive improvement.

just cus i wudda wanted the first time i saw Reach to blow me away, instead my first glipse was some alright looking pics that turned out to be pre-alpha, unsurprisingly.

makes me wonder whats the point? so ppl can go wow well if these are pre-alpha imagine what the final game will look like!!!!! omgz

i mean a video showing gameplay wud be different, cus ur seeing how gameplay will have changed, but a screenshot is to show off what a game looks like. if the final game looks much better then i don't get why they wud wanna show pre alpha shots..

[JudoChinX]

The pre-alpha shots looked a bit better than Halo 3, so I'm definitely excited to see where the final build takes us. I'm hoping for great things.

[bunfighterii]

Phew! I gotta say I was a doubter based on those shots, this has alleviated a lot of fears I had for this game.

[strickers]

I've got the mag.Reach looks a lot better than Halo 3 but falls short of the best PS3 stuff.As for this pre alpha stuff,point me in the direction of a game Bungie showed that improved much upon release.They show games when they are ready to and it's usually close to final look.What God of War or GT5 have to do with any of this I don't know.
Halo fans would love it if it looked like Doom,and us non Halo fans wouldn't love it,even if it looked like Killzone 2.