How Halo: Reach Will Learn From Modern Warfare 2's Mistakes

Loot Ninja writes:

"This September, arguably the most important first party title for the Xbox 360 is coming. Mass Effect 2 is going to be amazing, but let's face facts. Halo is just bigger than everything else. Halo 3 was, in a lot of gamers' minds, Halo 2.5 and ODST was a $60 expansion. Nevertheless, the games sold millions. Halo: Reach figures to be the first true next gen Halo experience and we have been teased with trailers and "accidental" screen shots since we got word that this is Bungie's last Halo title. Bungie may just have one ace up its sleeve however. They can do all the things Infinity Ward failed to do."

[drunkpandas]

If they can prevent the numerous glitches/mods/hacks, that will make a world of difference. I love playing Modern Warfare 2 online, but all this hacks are frustrating and take away from the experience.

[Bungie]

since Halo invented FPSs

i don't think Reach needs to learn anything from MW2

[fiercescuba]

@ Bungie:

I agree Halo redefined the genre, but to not learn from other people's mistakes is just not savvy business. To think Bungie ignores what is going on in other games is just naive.

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. I forget who say that, but I think he has a mustache.

[TheBand1t]

Since Halo invented FPS?

Oh boy, now I've read everything.....

[-Alpha]

IW never did, or at least did it very very poorly.

The lack of beta, Robert Bowling, and the lazy multiplayer really did screw up MW2. As long as Bungie can keep doing what they do they will be fine and I have no reason to believe they will screw up like IW did.

Anyways, I'm looking forward to Reach. Bungie is very talented and Halo is a very fun shooter.

[JsonHenry]

"since Halo invented FPSs"

Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

[Blaze929]

Is this article serious? A really stupid and pointless read in my honest opinion. Only reasonable point and relevant to Halo: Reach was #1. Since Halo 3's launch there has been zero updates/patches to fix known exploits, hacks, and glitches specifically dealing with the multiplayer. So definitely nothing to worry about for Reach compared to Modern Warfare 2. The rest of the points were just off:

"Halo 2 faced some modding and tampering because people were able to mod code from the hacked PC version"

wrong. Halo 2 on Xbox was just filled with exploits and glitches even way before the PC version came out. Including the infamous super jumping etc.

[Crimsonite]

Um yeah Halo did -NOT- invent fps, they did help to bring it more mainstream though.Anyway I believe Bungie could make a more stable(and possibly more superior) fps with Reach than Activision did with Bugs of Duty: Modern WarGlitch 2.Though each game probably does have a different "feel" to it as the main differences between the games its setting where COD tries to provide a more realistic setting.

[Rai]

@bungie

know your games, Halo isn't the first FPS and its not the first FPS on a console. I think it was goldeneye that was first on console, and for PC I don't even know, theres been so many.

[likedamaster]

@Fierce

George Santayana. It's a paraphrase.

on topic/
I have total confidence in Bungie.

[Pennywise]

See this is why Bungie deserves 1 bubble treatment.

I know he knows better, but he will say it anyways to troll. I don't know why this is allowed.

This is what happens when people started gaming a few years ago when it became cool and socially acceptable.

[Jamescagney]

"since Halo invented FPSs"

HAHAHA!!

That's a classic.

[fiercescuba]

@ Blaze929

You seem to take issue with everything I write, post, and submit. However, you just submit random work from other people's sites for a N4G score, which in itself is totally arbitrary. You are more than entitled to your opinion, but do me a favor...

Write something orignal, let other people read it, and then see how gracious you are to criticism.

And the cosplay stuff aside, because I just do that for sh!ts and gigs, but really man, get off of your high horse.

I, for one, like to hear what people have to say, but you seem to just be argumentative for the hell of it. That's pretty pathetic.

[Saaking]

Don't even compare Bungie to IW. Bungie actually cares about their fans and support the game. They don't just do it for the sales (well, except odst) like IW does.

[bacon13]

@ Bungie

I must have missed the memo that Halo invented FPS. That statement needs to be inducted into the "World's Greatest Epic Fail Comments" hall of fame. Please stop embarrassing yourself. Stop sucking off Halo and Bungie already, its pathetic.

On Topic - They already exceeded IW by the fact they are debuting a Reach beta later this year. IW are still eating a big pile of doody because of that arrogant mistake.

[Blaze929]

Not my fault you can't write and use sex for hits.

[Pillville]

@Bungie

DOOM,
Duke Nukem,
GoldenEye 007,
Wolfenstein,
Quake

all say hello. (just to name a few)

[Arnon]

I own both of their franchises, and honestly, I find Halo to be a much more enjoyable experience. In fact, aside from the very solid experience the first one had, I find the only reason the game receives good merits is because it's based on America vs. Terrorism, and lets be honest, America loves fighting terrorism. To the extreme. It's based on a real setting (maybe not Modern Warfare 2). It has real guns, and it's Call of Duty. The game went from being basically a niche title that was almost exclusively on the PC to becoming a mainstream shooter on all platforms.

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (1 and 2) are pretty much the closest thing you can get to a cookie cutter basic shooter, and it's the reason people love it.

Bungie's work has been something innovative to the FPS franchise. No, they did not invent it, but they sure as hell made the franchise as a whole more noticeable. Not only does it take the original U.S. vs Terrorism and throw it out the window, but the elements of the game contribute to it's success as well. It has solid gameplay, graphics that are while not the best, very pretty and unique in their own way, and it has quite possibly one of the best soundtracks I've experienced in gaming. Sure ODST wasn't their greatest achievement, but lets be honest with each other. It sure as hell wasn't a bad experience. It was basically an expansion, which is what they planned for it to be all along.

Honestly, after the mess that was Modern Warfare 2, I'd gladly choose Bungie's titles over Infinity Ward's any day.

[webeblazing]

thats crazy all this time i thought golden eye, doom, maybe duke nukem made everbody start playing fps on consoles after those its pretty ez to get people on your side after most the work was done ( people looking 4 more fps) bungie made a great game lets just leave it at that

[fiercescuba]

@ Blaze929

No, no, you're right. IGN really considers you a major part of their team and needs you to spend what little free time you have by submitting their work for them. Your obvious writing skills are so vast that they are willing to let you work for free.

No, I'm sorry. You're a vital piece to their infrastructure. I'll let you get back to your day.

[ReservoirDog316]

Well at least we all know Bungie just writes all these messages just to get people mad. Cause there's no way anyone, especially someone who's always on n4g, can believe what he just said.

Unless he does...

And in that case, um, ignorance is bliss?

[baum]

He's obviously not being serious. He knows Halo is just average.

[BLuKhaos]

Learn from MW2's mistakes? So in other words it's going to actually be a fun game, sounds good :).

[EVILDEAD360]

It's a silly comparison to even think that somehow Bungie is looking at Infinity Ward's so called mis-steps as a reference as how to proceed with Reach.

First of all, Bungie has been doing betas since Crackdown. Sony used the same technique to bring attention to Infamous. Bungie's multiplayer pedigree is absolutely flawless, it's freakin' obvious what the use the betas for and the Reach beta will be no different.

Every Halo game this generation has been a console exclusive, so who cares what exploits there were in the PC version of Modern Warfare 2. It's completely irrelevant.

No one even has a clue if the infamous vid was even the truth. We will all learn when the Beta arrives, but MW2's airport controversy didn't hurt that game's sales at all. In fact, it got the world talking.

Whether you like Halo or not..it's so funny that the author says he'll go back to playing God of War 3. LOL @ going back to a game that will be 6 months old by the time Reach is shipped. Suuure you will..

Evil

[otherZinc]

What are they going to learn?: Making games with no:
Campaign co-op?
4 player co-op?
Forge?
Firefight?
No vehicle combat that you can drive?
Make Halo a linear experience? No.

I could go all day on the crap the media let Infinity Ward get away with without question, that a game did in 2007 (Halo 3), now a game in 2009 is better? it isn't but it should be.

Also, if Halo:ODST isn't a $60 game, what is M.A.G?

Reach is coming in 2010 & they will obliterate all other shooters as far as game play & features.

[McCullster]

Can't wait to play some BFC2! I really do feel like this will be a LOT better than MW2 without all of the pesky kids figuring out and exploiting Infinity Wards jewel of a game. It's been spoiled for me. Hopefully this stays untainted.

Yes, I did say "taint".

[poe]

Halo series will not have the glitching that call of duty has, and the reason is BETA.

[drunkpandas]

I think it has less to do with a Beta than having the game simultaneously on PC, giving modders/hackers much easier access to the game code for manipulation. Most if not all of the MW2 hacks stemmed from PC hackers moving the code over to consoles.

[-Alpha]

It's not just hacks: there are numerous glitches, exploits, and very bad balancing issues that IW just didn't think about.

Seriously, I can't say it any other way. they did not THINK, their minds were not functioning, they were mentally handicapped when making the MP.

And it's all due to a lack of beta, something both Reach and BC2 and even CoD4 had.

They were overconfident with their product's sales (since a beta is there to ensure quality to consumers) and they did not care for how bad their game may turn out.

Now they are stuck lazily and poorly patching the game-- doesn't this remind you of beta testing? MW2 is full of problems that need patching and I swear that it's like playing a beta game.

IW are also very shady. They claimed that they had some testers test their MP but it's a load of horse crap considering the numerous problems that existed. They just didn't want to go through having a beta and ensuring quality.

[divideby0]

show me...after ODST, show me...
and especially after hearing they are just gonna use the same engine with optimization...just maybe another Madden attempt at milking an engine vs doing something new from ground up and being groundbreaking like I expect from Reach
and I have purchased every Halo game except the rip off ODST and been on Live as Gold since day 1

[thief]

Have some respect - didnt you know Halo invented the FPS?

[divideby0]

I did until ODST...
they put the doubt in the hearts of gamers...
will get it back when I see some real gameplay of some length

[Unicron]

I respect Bungie a ton, because they respect and care about their community. I doubt they'll make the same mistakes IW did.

[divideby0]

^ they did already with ODST, sadly

[BeaArthur]

That's a lot of mistakes to learn from.

[Lord_Ranos]

Wolfenstein and Doom says hi.

[divideby0]

^ he is on my ignore list....but probably to young to know the games you mention or Golden Eye on the N64

[Akagi]

@Bungie, GTFO with your stealth trolling.

Also, Bungie (the company, not the headcase) already stated that Reach "could upset the hardcore players" so it's not a very good start.

[-MD-]

You took a quote out of context and then went on to misquote it.

They said fans of the novel will be disappointed because the game shares the same title but features an entirely new story.

[belowradar]

IMO, Bungie put out a beta on ODST to sell tons of that game for the beta access, just like MS did with Crackdown to get access to the Halo 3 beta.
It's smart to have a beta especially for a game that relies heavily on MP. I had a feeling that IW was gonna drop the ball when they didn't offer at least a closed beta. And with all the glitches and mods running rampant on there is just proof of it.
Oh well they got my freakin 60 bucks. They got over on me.

[Fairchild Channel F]

As a loooong time gamer, first PC FPS I remember playing was Wolfenstien 3-D (which was really 2-d). First 3-D one I remember was Quake, although I seem to remember Origin coming out with game before Quake called Ultima: Underworld which was a FPS with............swords......AN D MAGIC! To lazy to look it up. I just remember my 486 ran it like crap lol.

[webeblazing]

the only thing mw2 seem to is made it ez to kill no matter who is playing made that mad it a more fun game for people that dont usually play fps (reason of sales) like my friend never liked fps i even tried to get him to play the 1st mw then the 2nd came all of a sudden hes hook this is goty he says. im like WTF its the same as the 1st and i was trying to get u to play it for the longest.

it could be that its ez as ever or the thing most americans do if everybody got it i gotta get it lol

[Redlogic]

kinda hard to understand your post but I agree (i think). For example, I have a couple of friends who were just terrible at the first MW. I shouldn't say terrible, but they never went 32-5 etc. Now all of a sudden, both of them LOVE MW2. One of em gets 30 kills a game, and he has never been good at shooters. My other friend all of a sudden loves to snipe (he even said " i have never been this good at sniping"). I know why they are so successful. MW2 is for noobs!! I wish I didn't trade in the first MW, it was so much better. IW needs to learn a new phrase and its called "less is more". Too much fluff in Mw2. Its not cool when someone gets 30 kills a game and 20 of them aren't done by the gun in his hands!!

[webeblazing]

MW1 was ez too alot of aim assist MW2 seem like its more but hey im not mad everybody is loving it cause i think that was they goal make it ez for everybody for it can be fun for playing with each other. halo should be compared with MW2 cause aleast halo have some kind of challenge

[HurstDarkStar]

please tell me?thats like mario needing to copy other platformers just doesnt seem to click right in the mind you know?