Zipper: Xbox Live "more juvenile" than PSN

Zipper Interactive's Ben Jones has said that he believes Xbox Live is "more juvenile" than PlayStation Network, and that MAG "definitely fits more" to the PlayStation audience "because of the things that are being said over Xbox Live".

[The Meerkat]

Or in other words.

Ben Jones says most people on PSN don't have headsets.

[Wrathman]

yeah.but your indox will be full of crap bout your mom, with bad grammer and spelling.

and when your gettin abuse on the psn you cant understand it on low quality bluetooth headsets.probably the one daddy uses while he drives.

[JsonHenry]

Like the guy above says, almost no people mics on the PSN, but your inbox will be spammed with insults instead.

[Corrwin]

Or that anybody with a head set on PSN is old enough to afford one.

[lociefer]

lol wow, so u guyz like paying 50$ for live so ur moms can get verbally abused by preteens ?

[AndyA]

"yeah.but your indox will be full of crap bout your mom, with bad grammer and spelling."

Stand back, the irony detector is about to blow!

[Bungie]

i like using a headset when playing online

PSN community don't use headsets

i guess it's just a personal preference

[JsonHenry]

No, we pay $50 so we can have the best (for a console) experience available online. That and all of my friends prefer to play on LIVE instead of PSN.

[ActionBastard]

I missed the requirement to talk while in an MP game with strangers. I have a headset and love it. I use it when I want to, not b/c everyone else does or enjoys spouting off ignorant stuff.

[talltony]

To me its the biggest reason not to pay for live especially if you already have a ps3.. And I was actually surprised how many people had mics in the mag beta but it would be smart if sony bundled mics with mag like they did with warhawk.

[gaffyh]

Quite a lot of people use headsets in MAG actually, just not so much in other games.

[JsonHenry]

@action bastard - I tend to only play games where people need to work together as a team to win. So for me having only one or two other people at most on a team that can call out enemy positions and whatnot defeats the point of me playing online with them.

That, and I think all the racist and childish remarks are funny. (laughing at them, not with them)

[Jamegohanssj5]

Lol pwn.

TGSI

[AntoineDcoolette]

Crappy blue tooths? Everyone I hear on SOCOM (which is as bad as xbox live), Warhawk, MGO, or Uncharted 2 is clear. In boxes full of insults? I've only had trouble with that one on 2 occasions. Marvel vs Capcom 2 (people get so pissy over those matches) and one time someone kept sending me inflammatory comments calling me a religious f@g because I have Saint in my PSN name...

[Christopher]

I don't care to talk to people online. 360 or PS3. So, in the end, it comes down to how much BS and annoying crap I have to hear. I'm hoping MAG isn't filled with such things so I can actually enjoy it.

As far as Ben's comments, just not a good thing to say in general. Even if it was true, it's best to not bar one's teeth like this and to be more gracious towards your competitors.

[talltony]

How can a organized 256 player online fps suck? Its like a dream come true for me.

[ActionBastard]

Games where teamwork is needed (Warhawk, Socom, Fat Princess, etc) I use my headset. But playing a Free for All in MW2, I don't. Ultimately, it's a players choice.

[tordavis]

I wonder how the comment section would be if it was turned around and Gabe Newell was the one actually saying it.

[Blaster_Master]

Yeah, your p2p xbox live games are teh best. LOL!

[kneon]

Apparently most don't feel the need to talk just because they can. I wear a headset and it's almost always on mute. In MAG it was on because the game benefits greatly from good communication. There is always going to be the occasional A-hole online but they seem to be in far fewer numbers on PSN. And in MAG I never came across even one, but I'm sure that will change once it's out. But I expect those type of people will quickly lose interest and move on to COD 6.5 or whatever run'n'gun FPS they desire.

And I have yet to receive any crap email on PSN from anyone, all I get are friend invites from random people I don't know. Oh and some holiday greetings, again from people I don't know and have never talked to. Yeah those are some pretty obnoxious messages :) I've found most people on PSN to be pretty friendly and helpful, especially on the MAG betas

[darkmurder]

This guy has no cred after the beta atrocity that was MAG.

[ThanatosDMC]

There were a bunch of annoying kids that were talking in MAG nonstop last time i played. When no one paid attention to him or just muted him (i didnt know how) he started shooting at the team.

[Guido]

It's so true that the PSN is home to more mature adults than Live. In the end, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. You want mature gaming experiences, you play on the PSN.

[reaferfore20]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

@Guido above: It really just depends on what game you play, I was playing MW2 last night and every other word I heard from a mic (which there were a lot of people with that night) was either "F*ck, Sh*t, or Duewd.... you ever get so hiiigh that you can't find your controller???" With about a milliion responses of "Duewd that happens to me all the time!!!"

[Blaze929]

So Microsoft is the only company that talks smack huh? If this was them saying this about PSN, fanboys would be running rampant here.

Funny how Xbox 360 owners aren't acting the same way with the comments I'm seeing. Who exactly is more juvenile again?

[4Sh0w]

So its true ps3/sony takes "digs" at the competition. No say it aint so. Oh that's right if sony say's it, its only telling the truth, despite the fact this his statement is pure BS, anything annonymous attracts bad behavior that people would otherwise keep to themselves.

[sack_boi]

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

[Sevir04]

The problem here is that they really dont car to yous it for one because it really isn't a make or break thing for the system as you can have g=fun playing a game with out it. Most people who use mics on are the ones on the 360, who all ran out to buy one on launch day in 2005. the system is actually bundled with one so most of your friends who play online with headsets are the same ones who bought a 360 at laucnh.

as far as smack talking goes, the PS fanbase is bad but not as bad as the xbox community. there have been instances of irrational smack talk but not soo much as i here on MW2 on live or Halo or Gears...

None the less the notion taht no one uses mics on PS3 havent used the feature to find out.

on Games like Resistance, Modern warfare, warhawk, MGO, gran turismo, HOME, KZ2 Uncharted 2, people are very vocal. i will say however that just about everyone who has Mag uses a head set.

and what Ben was saying about Users in Mag helping those other players out was true... MAG has turned out to be one Organized and cohiesive gaming experience online, the action is tight and everyone for the most part play well, you'll always have the Rambo team or player but even they learn quickly, by either getting booted out, respawning ever 15 seconds or simply quiting because they havent wrapped their heads around the games team mechanics.

MAG is far more suitable to the PS brand.. because there really isn't a tactical shooter of this calibur on the 360. and it shows.

[RadientFlux]

While headsets definitly make it easier to find immature idiots online. I serious doubt that one online service is more juvenile then another.

[mastiffchild]

Well, Zipper shouldn't have said anything about the Live community. It's not their place and is just as bad, imo as someone who prefers PS3 AND PSN to my 360 and Live(which I recently stopped sub'ing to because I wasn't using it), as wha T10 did about F3 and GT5 or Valve knocking the PSN. I think, and I was looking forward to it a great deal as when it's good it's amazing, this may cost Zipper my sale-it's unprofessional and not needed and juvenile in and of itself to say what they have done. I don't like people in the industry smack talking and though Zipper are a great dev(I'm a big fan of THEIR SOCOM ga,mes actually)I just don't like rewarding people who speak ill of the other side like this.

That said I really don't understand why some of the 360 zealots on this thread reckon PSN users get inboxes full of abuse instead of getting it in their headsets. i've NEVER had a rude message off anyone on PSN and have had LOADS on Live. I use a headset on both(or did when I was still on Live)and I would agree that there's a lot more rudeness and abuse on the Live side of things and at one point Halo got so bad that I just stopped playing it online. there are idiots on both but I feel giving everyone a mic was a blessing and a curse on the 360 as it made even the biggest tool think they had every right to talk whenever and however they like whereas he main reason someone has a headset on PSN is if they WANT to coordinate and communicate with their mates and teams and clan online so they're less likly to abuse anyone. there are still idiots, don't get me wrong, but little Timmy who would slag your mum off and likely get angry enough to text after you muted him on Live is unl;ikely to bother having a heady if hew has a PS3 and so doesn't get worked up enough to sit down and write things.

Sure, I've had pproper idiots on PSNB with mics being as rud and racist as anyone on Live but it's really a much lower percentage and I would put it down to demographic and to free headsets. I also think that on Live a lot of kids do have mics and know from my own kids that they get REALLY upset if they feel someone else has beaten them unfairly(and they ALWAYS think that when they lose!)and on 360 every kid can just let fly! The difference does make PSN a better place for MY gaming but isn't the best thing about PSN over Live for me. I hate Cross Game Chat with a passion(distracts everyomne using it and that wrecks you TF2 faster thn having a crap team can-and never mind how it can be used to cheat)and, the biggest reason, I play a lot of KZ2 and Warhawk on the missus account(her PS3, which she shares with the kids, has the wired, better connection)and the dedicated servers make it a far more lag free experience than anytjhing I evr played on Live-I also think that had Livce got more games with dedicated servers we might all have pushed Acti harder when IW took them off PC gamers and made them install them for us all as they really needed to if they were to improve their game over it'#s predecessor. I honestly believe that the lack of many games using them on Live lets companies get away with crappy P2P as a lot of 360 only gamers don't even know of the advantages of dedicated servers and it's holding us on consoles back.

It IS an odd thing that there's more games with dedicated servers on the free PSN as it's one thing MS could use to say theirs really was the better servic if they got more devs to sort it out for us-would get my sub again if they did anyway-even if I do have to put up with effin XGC! Anyway, there'll be a lot of juvenile idiots on PSN but we jut don't hear them without mic and they tend not to buy them if they aren't free as generally, as you all know from palying on Live, the idiots tend NOT to want o play as a team anyway so why would the same guys splash out on PS3? Zipper were in NO position t say anything, mind, and I'#m nothappy that they did! I wanted to buy F3 but Greenawalt stopped that along with their(T10) badmouthing and arrogance and if Zipper add to this unwise outburst I reckon I might be missing MAG as well.Silly, unprofessional thing to say, imo, evn if there's some truth to it they should never, like Gabe should never have knocked the PS3 if he wan't gonna even try it, they should have left live alone as they've nothing to do with it.

[vhero]

It is more juvenile. You get nothing but insults on 360 as every kid has a headset. That's bullcrap about getting pms in your inbox on psn as they have to be in your friends list to send messages so stop sprouting crap you 360 fanboys. Just more proof you know nothing about ps3 and come to ps3 section just to slate it and nothing more. When you give people the choice kids usually don't have headsets as their parents don't buy them headsets just the consoles.

[DaTruth]

All this says is the @$$holes are older on PSN. It's my number one gripe with online gaming. If Live is worse than PSN, I can't imagine it as I can hardly tolerate it on PSN!

The worst is when your mic is turned up and instead of just asking, the person begins full on swearing at you! At which point you're not actually going to comply and tell them so; Which leads to the dude spending the next 3 rounds cussing at you and you telling him to stop the bloodclot crying!

Then there's the @$$hole who starts trolling you just because your the only one with a mic and the jokers who decide to have a conversation about their whole lives... even in Chinese for all of us to hear!

Edit @ above: You actually can get messages from others on PSN, but I never check that box and I can't imagine anyone else checking theirs. What would you really care about what people who aren't your friends have to say?

[bacon13]

Cry babies, racists, ignorant and stupid people, pre teens, and just plain s**theads are very well represented on both PSN and LIVE. I really couldn't say which one has more but it does seem much more headsets are in use on LIVE which obviously comes with the free TONKA headset MS so nicely added. If only I had a dollar every time I mute some degenerate with ADD.

[ian72]

I have a headset for my PS3, but only use it online if it is needed for the game. If not really needed then I don't bother with it.

[LiquifiedArt]

XBL is definetly a younger player-base and everyone was given a Mic.

(I like the Buy in approach to Mics)

[The Maxx]

LOL that's funny cause when I am playing KZ2 all I hear is..."can anybody hear me?...hello, can anyone hear me? can anyone hear me? 3 minuted pause....then hello, can anyone here me?" then someone would respond "ya I hear ya" then silence for the rest of the game.

[ChozenWoan]

When Home had open mics in public places there was quite a few low IQs running around, but they would go away after you just laughed at them and challenged them to come up with better insults. In MW I would come across 1 or two of them a day, but the mute button was so very handy.

Warhark, I don't remember there being any aholes, and Soccom has some of the most mature gamers around. MAG targets more of these types of gamers and thus the aholes are few and far in between.

Actually, the only gamers I would fear to run into on MAG are the Ultra Competitive types. The guys who take the game far to seriously and should have became (is/was) a drill Sargent in the army. I ran into one of these guys durring the 4.0 beta, he choose to be CIO and was more of a distraction than the grenades exploding around me. lol.

My point is, the more mature the game environment, the more mature the gamers tend to be when it comes to the PSN.

[PoSTedUP]

less people have mics on psn and because of this more adults buy mics because they can afford them.

socom, almost everyone has a mic (because it was bundled) and i play every day and rarely see any youngsters let alone immature adaults.

everyone has a mic on XBL so 40 million people all over the world have a voice and as you can see, there are a lot of messed up people.

i like it better this way (maybe because i am biased) but still rather play socom all day with people i can relate to.

which ever you prefer...

@ chozen1- thats true also. depends on the games but can also depend on a lot of things even dating back to the ps2 with GTAIII picking up a lot of mature gamers and some clinging onto the Ps brand. but yeah i believe that if if everyone had a mic on both consoles it would be pretty much even but a little more mature on PS3 due to some games like socom and GT5 (just because GT series is more poplular than forza and they are simlulators that are much harder for the young audience so they generally stay away from realistic games) ansd thats jsut what i believe with doing little research on it.

[bioshock1221]

Pretty much what you said. Not many people in PSN have headsets and if they do they don't talk. Unlike Xbox live which practically everyone has a headset. But I think that's an advantage to play with people who talk I can't imagine playing multiplayer games online without a mic and people not talking. Also he is suppose to say that I love how people never bash ps3 developers for talking crap about the xbox in general yet when its the other way around they get a lot of heat the guy from Forza 3 and valve just to name a few. Plus the only people who say that everyone in xbox live are kids and talk crap all the time are probably ps3 and wii users since if you're an actual xbox live user you would know that is not true I rarely meet little kids.

[edgeofblade]

If you don't want to hear it, mute them. Or turn voice communication to Friends Only.

If Zipper wants to stir up sht like this, I might be disinclined to keep my pre-order...

[captain-obvious]

PPL on PSN got mics but just don't talk
once i was playing killzone and no one was talking
i was asking for a medic several times and 2 or 3 guys started screaming at me to STFU
and i didnt even knew that they got mics

[baum]

"yeah.but your indox will be full of crap bout your mom, with bad grammer and spelling. "

Does anyone find the irony in this statement, or is it just me? And what the hell is an "indox" anyway?

Also, agreed about this, LIVE is too juvenile and full of immature children like all the N4G 360 fanboys, that's why I cancelled my subscription to LIVE after trying it.

[-MD-]

"Or in other words.

Ben Jones says most people on PSN don't have headsets."

Truth.

[Arnon]

These guys are starting to sound like Turn 10. I'd honestly take Valve's word over this company.

[Consoldtobots]

I have 2 motorola and official Ps3 headset that I use most often, and yet it sits in the dock because I have a really deep voice and tend to scare most of dem youngins out there.

[finbars75]

Why does everyone suggest that ps3 users dont have headsets?Sorry we are in the next gen fruitcake we use a thing called bluetooth.Sorry your stuck with some foam padded outdated piece of crap called headphones.When I last checked the majority of the people on the ps3 have bluetooth.We dont need a switch that mutes people out from our ears because the mature level is alot better then those screaming little twirps that the xbosx has.Yes we have the occasional kid but for the most of it we are just doing fine.So get over it and accept the fact you will never be blessed with quality games that we get.Time to go back and play with a mature audience.

[DaTruth]

Do you guys really believe there is anyone who owns a PS3 who doesn't have a Bluetooth headset? I have like 2 Motorola's just laying around!

There is just very little reason to use them except to yell insults at people. My friend has two and hasn't bothered to connect them!

[TheBand1t]

I really do hate it when developers run their mouths, whether they be Zipper, Turn 10, or Valve.

:/

[Perkel]

@ 1.0
"Ben Jones says most people on PSN don't have headsets. "

more like ps3 users uses headsets when they need to not just to comunicate everybody :

" FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUooooooKKKK you , you suck ! " :)

[DMason]

@Vhero

Just give it up man. You are easily the most hateful person at N4G, certainly the most biased fanboy I've seen by far.

On topic: Wasn't it the Sony crowd that was saying how MS taking digs at GT5 was childish and stupid. Well, this is irony at it's finest. It's ok for a Sony developer to take shots at MS, but not the other way around. Hypocrisy is shining through for sure.

[rob6021]

Suddenly this whole article becomes about 'PS3 users not having headsets' Completely ignoring the fact this guy is actually right on his assertions that the 360 community is juvenile...

http://blog.nielsen.com/nie...

Scroll down to the part page 3 where it says age group....
Xbox360: 12-17
PS3: 25-34

That is quite a pronounced difference with the active players to me.
Zipper is in fact right here.

[FamilyGuy]

The first 3 commenting don't/have never gamed on PSN.

I also think it's hilarious how many gamers there are out there (mostly on 360) who wear huge/dorky looking headsets. They look like they work for telemarketing companies or something. Where as on PSN you can use a nice, sleek and unnoticeable blu-tooth headset for gaming.

I laugh every single time I see someone playing on their 360 wearing that strapped on headgear. LMAO! :D

[LesterCorncrake]

alot of people do have headsets however they are not relavent to me, my friends are and they DO have mics, .....point?

[TheDeadMetalhead]

XBL is definitely worse, but PSN has a few total douchebags as well. I once played a guy on Warhawk who was the most arrogant, vulgar d!ckhead I've ever played against on PSN or XBL. He wasn't even a kid, either! I think he got banned, though.

I do agree that MAG is better suited for PS3, though.

[FamilyGuy]

I play Uncharted 2 online A LOT (level 58 currently), TONS of people play with their mics on and I hardly EVER come across anyone spewing hateful or racist comments. The high level guys will talk sh!t if you do better than them or win against their high level team: Insisting on rematches unless you demolished them the first time and they know they can't win, in which case they go back to the lobby at the end of the match to avoid you instead of rematching.

I may come across someone spewing racist/hateful/prejudice crap (im black) once a week at most in Uncharted 2. So it's not too bad at all and most of the people I game with are in or near their 20s (im 24).

I'd say Zipper statement, though somewhat inappropriate, is correct. For a game like MAG where you really rely on your teammates preforming objectives "maturity" IS needed.

If you play Uncharted 2 online and get into ANY of the objective based matches with people who focus on something other then the overall goal you're likely to loose that match (unless you're phenomenal, like me ;) and can carry the team)

[heroprotagonist]

"Funny how Xbox 360 owners aren't acting the same way with the comments I'm seeing. Who exactly is more juvenile again?"

I agree with you. A lot of PS3 owners freak out any time a developer says something slightly negative about the PS3, but when Sony or one of their developers says something negative about the 360 most 360 owners couldn't care less.

I disagree with the guy, but it goes no further than that. He is wrong in my opinion, but I understand that, as the Japanese say, business is war and companies are always going to talk up their products and talk down their competitors. That's just the way it is. I don't get offended.

Anyway, I play on both Xbox Live and PSN and there is no real difference in the percentage of jerks or kids. All I notice is that fewer people seem to use headsets on PSN.

Personally, I like when people talk because to me it makes it a more social experience. Sure, there are some jerks out there, but I just mute them. On the other hand I meet some cool people online and it is fun chatting with them a little bit. It also enhances the game for the most part since there tends to be a bit more communication. Even hearing people's reactions to getting a good kill or getting killed by somebody else are part of the experience to me. The positives far outweigh the negatives, in my opinion. And like I said, I just mute the annoying players.

I think this comment by Zipper is actually more offensive than the comment made by Valve, if you wanted to take it that way. But I don't really care what he says to be honest and I know he is just trying to play up his platform.

[lightningsax]

@Mastiff

I agree with your angle. Whether what Jones said was true or false (and the answer is most likely somewhere in between but skewing true due to multiplayer volume alone), he's a manager of a consumer-driven company talking about both his customers (gamers mostly on PSN) and his potential customers (gamers mostly on XBL that may consider getting a PS3 or going back to it for MAG).

That stuff might be said behind closed doors, but it definitely shouldn't be revealed in anything that might reach the media.

A standard response would be to say something good about the maturity of PSN customers from their own experience with other titles, not mentioning the competition. Anything past that and you start sounding like you need to go back to business school.

[Darkstorn]

If PS3 sales keep up, then we'll just have more and more preteens on PSN. That's the bad thing about sales...

[Madmax1281980]

right just too say i own both consoles and any one here that owns the ps3 and says that psn has less racist hateful comments compared to xbox live is a complete fanboy and a lier i play online on both and its exactly the same on both consoles u will never find an online match were there arent ppl (even adults) shouting abuse at other gamers only difference being not everyone has a mic on ps3 so its no as bad but if everyone did it would be the same and whats with ppl using there pseye cam as a mic and shouting at there family lol (heard that happening alot). then again i suppose on ps3 u have to put up with hateful racist comments in games as theres no party chat or private chat while ingame. i hate fanboys on both sides both consoles are almost identical maybe a few differences here and there but thats why i own both so im no missing out on good games and features from both sides. completed uncharted 2 great game, cant wait for gt5 (when it finally arrives) played mgs4 no really my type of game looks great but no really into stealth combat games i also have loads of psn titles like high velocity bownling, pain, inferno pool, hustle kings, socom confrontation etc. even tho i game mostly on the xbox 360 i love the ps3 also but i hate the fanboys pisses me off game on and stop hating.

[RumbleFish]

1st: all of my PSN Buddies have and use Headsets.
2nd: I never have insulting PMs in my inbox.

This must be a english speaking people's problem, or maybe a matter, what games you play. I play MGO and SOCOM. There we talk about tactics and make use of the headset as it's meant to be. I remember when I was playing CoD 4 and W@W sometimes people were insulting me or other persons, but I never heard insults in other languages but english and dutch. So I think it has to do something with me being german and lots of uneducated american, dutch and UK people not being aware of the fact that we germans are not Nazis anymore.
And it has to do something with the mentality of english speaking people, perhaps they are just quicker with the insults.
I was never insulted in french or in russian or in spanish or italian and believe me, I can understand insults in those languages.

Please excuse any wrong spelling or grammar.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

I certainly agree with them.I don't play my 360 online anymore but when i go to my friends and watch him try to show off by getting the nuke in MW2, all i hear is immature little pre-teens shouting racial slurs and T-bagging People.

Not to say there isn't some people like that on PSN..
There's just way, way less.

[The Meerkat]

Nobody T-bags in MW2.

There is no point, the killcam means your victim would never see it.

Therefore anything you say should be interpreted as being incorrect.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

What the hell are you talking about? I see it all the time! Some dude kills a camper, runs up, starts t-bagging him.

Judging by your comment at the top, anything YOU say should be classified as false & failed trolling.

[HappyGilmore2300]

No one tbags in MW2... there is no point, the other person wont see it.

[The Meerkat]

HappyGilmore2300 you are correct.

There are some people (Nuke Boosters) that i'd love to T-bag but can't because it has no meaning unless the victim sees it.

ThatCanadianguy420 = facepalm

[Rush-Sykes]

You have a friend that owns a 360? I though you being one of the biggest PS3 fanboys on earth you would sorta try stab anyone that owns a 360 in an ally.

I guess I was mistaken o well.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Are you honestly that dense? They don't need to see it on the Killcam.
I see people run up and start T-bagging just to show off to their friends who are on their own team.

Like, Hello? Common sense anyone?

@Above, So what my Friend has a 360? I even have a 360! I should stab myself or something? You just prove how immature and juvenile XBL gamers really are.

[Rush-Sykes]

Your right I am immature but I haven't turned my 360 on in 6 months and I haven't used live in 12.

I did use my PS3 last night though so I guess you can add me to the none existent list of juvenile PS3 gamers.

See you in MAG where I will be screaming slurs down my microphone at you. /sarcasm

I mean heaven forbid gaming is "serious business" I don't play games to discover my immature side. I would rather play MAG with a bunch of old English gentlemen.

Anyway thanks for being the first person to ignore me. Which means I can only assume you won't reply to this unless you sad enough to ignore someone then still view there comments and respond.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

See, this is where you fail tho.This has nothing to do with being immature about gaming.You mention something about stabbing someone over a freakin electronic box.That's immature.

Stop trying to twist and weave words together to save yourself from the embarrassment.

For the record, i didn't put you on my ignore list.But i certainly will now.

[The Meerkat]

Wow, you just don't know when to quit.

NOBODY t-bags in MW2, not only because the victim doesn't see it but because its a double press of the crouch button where as in Halo its a single press of the thumbstick. i.e it takes longer and you'll get shot and look stupid.

And while there may be people on Live that shout and swear it makes the game feel alive, i'd rather that than the silence you get on PSN.
You can always mute the ones you don't like on Live. As far as i'm aware its not possible to give everyone on PSN a mic at the press of a button.

[Rush-Sykes]

O great thanks for that using your 9.4billion spam accounts to bubble rape me.

"You mention something about stabbing someone over a freakin electronic box.That's immature."

You spend 5 minutes logging in mulit spam accounts to debubble me that's not only immature but also sad. So you really should practice what you preach Mr Maturity.

[Elven6]

The purpose of T Bagging in a game is so the person you killed would get pissed off over what you did, insult to injury if you will. If no method exists for the person to see said act in progress there is no point in doing it. That being said, some people still do tbag in COD games but you have to be careful since it will only take 2 or 3 shots to kill you while you're trying to do the do hence why it isn't as popular.

[DaTruth]

That's how immature they are. You can't picture a 12yr old teabagging someone and giggling to himself and with his little 12yr old friends? I could even see them teabagging the random AIs in single player!

I don't personally know anything about MW2, but that just seems like some $hit a little 12yr old would do. It seems like some $hit I would have done when I was twelve

[ThatCanadianGuy]

*sigh*

What a fool.

[baum]

"NOBODY" tea-bags? Really? I guess my roommate doesn't count then. Oh wait.

Absolute statements like that will only expose you to getting owned (you "always" get owned anyway ;) ).

[Two-Face]

''NOBODY t-bags in MW2, not only because the victim doesn't see it''

Ever played Search & Destroy on Modern Warfare? When you are the only left on the team, and are about to defuse the bomb. People usually show off and starts t-bagging the dead enemies that guarded the bomb, because it usually is plenty of time left. When there is like 10 seconds left, they start defusing the bomb.

Your whole team and the opposite team can see you on television t-bagging, and showing off.. So you are wrong. Nice way to insult Canadian guy.

[DMason]

Sorry bud, but in all honesty, you are one of the bigger biggots that N4G has to offer. Everything you spew is pro-PS3, with no regard to any other system. I agree with Rush-Sykes completely. You using the "my friend has a 360" argument is just like someone that uses the "I have lots of black friends" argument to justify why they're not racist. And now most likely you'll label me "juvenile" because I've challenged your opinion. Ironic much?

When anonymity is present, it's no holds bar on any system, whether it's PSN or Xbox Live. Xbox Live has more users with mics, so there's a good chance there's going to be more jerkoffs. Using a bluetooth is a hassle compared to the Live mic, it sounds terrible, and most people dont even use them.

[heroprotagonist]

I have played both PS3 and 360 versions of MW2 and teabagging is hardly ever done. You basically don't see it. Very rarely.

Also, there isn't any more teabagging in one version than the other so I don't understand ThatCanadianGuy's point in the first place. Coming from him though, it doesn't surprise me.

[OGharryjoysticks]

I believe the age range of PS3 users is higher, but not everybody grows out of being a d.ck

If you need further proof, play SOCOM Confrontation. The majority of players on that game take it way too seriously and it shows.

[-Alpha]

I like how everybody is acting as if PSN is full of saints. PS3 didn't include a headset, so clearly it is less likely to run across someone annoying.

Additionally, if everyone had access to a mic the PSN could be just as bad as XBL.

With that said, Zipper is technically correct, but I don't understand why they'd point out something like this. Is it supposed to change the way games are played online? I usually mute or block "juvenile" players.

As for gamers, I run across all sorts of annoying players. People always assume kids are juvenile when adults are just as juvenile.

[Troll_Police]

@Alpha

Who said PSN is full of saints? The fact is that PSN is more pleasant than XBL and that's all the guy said. I once had an Xbox and I did hear a lot of high pitched voices screaming racial slurs and all other obscenities. These were kids. Yes, age don't have much to do with maturity but this type of juvenile behavior is much less with adult gamers and I think you know it.

[-Alpha]

Haha, yeah right.

You admitted that this doesn't have to do with maturity and then you said adults are more pleasant.

Really, it's down to personal experience but let's not pretend that older gamers don't whine, complain, and play their annoying music over the mics.

Also, like I said, it's much more common to hear people on 360 because they actually HAVE mics unlike the PS3 which didn't bundle it in.

Personally, I'm fine with that because a lot of PS3 users do have mics, but that doesn't change the fact that you can't determine juvenile demographics through a flawed concensus.

[rob6021]

yea lol you're absolutely right, there's still diks everywhere they don't really grow out of it, then again what would you expect from a highly competitive military shooter. In these types of games age doesn't have a lot to do with maturity. Although kids usually do have a tendency to get more of a kick out of teamkilling.
Final Fantasy XI had the best community of any online game I've played to be honest. It tends to be a turn-off to most of the macho-military tough guys that fill up CoD or Socom.

[GR8 1]

The only reason you dont get bad language on PSN is because no one has a headset, and out of 256 players 20 will have a headset. LOL

[talltony]

.

[Bungie]

that's why XBL head and shoulder above PSN

[Aquarius]

is it knees and toes as well?

that is a nursery rhyme, lol.

don't compare things like that with Playstation 3
its much more sophisticated than that fake console 360.

the 360 is dressed up in a computer case made with cheap chinese components
http://support.dell.com:80/...

[SSCOOLCHEA]

Why would sony invite this clown to play there games . Xbox live has all the shltheads not even talking about games . They have there headset on to talk about the JONAS brothers . PS3 owners are wise and smart that we dont need a headset . We know where were going to plant a bomb or defuse a bomb . We know what the objectives are . I love playing with no headset . I'm smart enough to know where to go .The truth is there are not that many kids on a PSN ...

[36T]

MAG sucked really hard. A flop before it drops.

@ Double07

"Maybe you played it at a "friends" house, right.. ;)"

Yes actually. Hard to believe??? LOL!. Just because you're a loner with no friends doesn't mean we're all like you. Good thing you have a Playstation to keep you busy or you might jump off a bridge or something. I have two friends that have all three systems. I didn't "play" the game. I watched for the 5 minutes my buddy was playing and it sucks hard. I'll bet you my paycheck the game flops from what i've seen. Do you get a paycheck or an allowance from mommy & daddy? ;) Believe me or not. i don't give a fvck! lol

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi_]

...i wonder if ChatBots keep their Headsets on all day??? ;-D

ChatBot 1 - "Where are you now?"

ChatBot 2 - "I'm in the Toilet!"

Later that day -

ChatBot 1 - "Where are you now?"

ChatBot 2 - "I'm in Bed Sleeping!"

ChatBot 1 - "LOVE U!!!"

;-D

[Double07]

36T how have you played it when less than 24 hours ago you admitted you dont own a PS3?

Quote from you: "If i had a PS3 i wouldn't know what to do either."

Maybe you played it at a "friends" house, right.. ;)

Edit: LMFAO wait wait wait 36T you're calling me a kid? The irony of that is truly staggering just looking at your previous comments prove that either

A: You're under 13 years old.
B: Over 13 years old and mentally handicapped beyond belief.

Not sure which one it is but quite clearly one of them.

And as I said before you yourself didnt play the game and you're (imaginery) buddy played it for 5 minutes and can form an opinion that quickly? Just wow.

And you dont care? Then why did you re check this and bother to edit your comment?

Keep failing even more you little p*ick and go cry to your mother/ sister (same person) =D

[Bodyboarder_VGamer]

More than 24 million PSN users all of them with no mic... Yeah right. And even more knowing that you can use any MIC that you can connect through USB or bluetooth. You even have more options than on the X360.

PSN users = mature people

XBL users = racists, pedos, etc.

[ELite_Ghost]

isnt that a shampoo brand?

[The Iron Sheik]

Thanks for proving Ben's point for us. Now run along and play Halo with all the other 12 year olds.

[Maini8000]

i played this for 3 hours the other day... no1 had a mic until my last game... when i tried to strategise with the 5 people on my team with mics their reply... "dude idc i only really want to kill poeple f*** the objective"

[Omega4]

Give every PSN user a headset then and only then can you make that comparison.

[Simon_Brezhnev]

You can give every ps3 user a headset and it still wouldnt be like live. I guess you forgot the average age for a PS3 owner vs 360.

[Double Toasted]

I wouldn't be able to tell by the way you PS3 fans act on THIS website. But I agree with the "Zipper" guy...Live is more junvenile or it use to be, but now with the Party Chat system it is way less severe...way less. Since the NXE update back in '08, the 360 is definitely a new console.

[anti-gamer]

well you can find bluetooth mic that is Cheaper than XBL gold fees.

[UltimateIdiot911]

I have 3 headsets I can use on my ps3. 2 bluetooth and 1 usb headset. I don't use any of them to talk because I simply don't feel like talking to stranger unless there is a conversation worth talking. My friends all have bluetooth headsets lying around but they don't use it either when playing on PSN.

Honestly, it's just a community preference to not use headset for the most part. I rarely hear people being ahole over PSN but every now and then there is one or two.

[-Alpha]

Are you kidding? Age has nothing to do with maturity. Adults are just as bad if not worse than kids. Adults randomly pick on kids in a game too.

Age has nothing to do with it, so don't try using the PSN demographic as if it proves that the community is mature.

[rob6021]

Well I agree with your point but not really for the 10-13 year old range, those kids just really aren't old enough to understand how play correctly or communicate with an adult audience. And they're out there.

[LesterCorncrake]

i was sick to death of hearing sh1tty a$$ kids singing over xbox live every other game of cod.

[mattygamefreak]

How does everyone have to have a headset to make that comparison? A lot more PS3 owners have headsets then people think. Whenever I join a Resistance 2, Killzone 2 or Warhawk match there is always people using microphones.

Point is, even if PSN owners don't have microphones, they don't run out and buy one just to rage people.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Don't mind their ignorant comments.It's the only excuse they have..
This isn't 2007 anymore.Almost everybody on any game i play has a Mic.

[raztad]

And people using MICs are, in most part, adults that usually are well-behaved.

It's easy to understand why most PS3 users are young adults. Parents dont buy $400+ consoles, with the price cut it may be changing though.

[D4RkNIKON]

All of my friends on my list have mics and most are adults with children of their own. I hear their little kids trying to get their attention all the time lol. And yes.. a Bluetooth mic cost less than a subscription to XBL

[happy_gilmore]

foul mouthed bots trash-talk while playing greys of lag and talking about twilight

[ThatCanadianGuy]

The PSN community is truly Head & shoulders above the XBL community.

[Wrathman]

and your proof.you dont get kids on mics spouting crap on the psn.you get badly spelt messages instead.my inbox is full of them.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

LOL! Oh..the irony..

"and your proof"

Spelled correctly it should of been "And you're proof"
At least spell correctly if you're going to cry about bad spelling.

360 fanboys for the lose.

[Guitarded]

Wrathman wasn't saying you are or you're proof of no headsets on PoSN. He was saying the proof for you or your proof. Reading comprehension, spelling and grammar of the PS3 fanboys for the *loss.

Edit: Foliage gives PS3 fanboys more credit then they deserve. Either way Canadian fails at reading comprehension.

[Foliage]

Guitarded fails to realize sarcasm. lol

I'm pretty sure he meant to say "lose", as a reflection of the poor spelling bots have. Sarcasm isn't THAT hard to get.

[Convas]

I believe the expression here is ... "You've been served."

[ThatCanadianGuy]

*Sigh* Guitarded..

You honestly don't know the age old expression "FTL"? For the lose?
And you're talking about reading comprehension..

360 fanboys, living breathing, oxymorons.

[Guitarded]

Forget the fact that you didn't comprehend Wrathmans post? Trying to say FTL is For The Lose and not For The Loss. You're reaching buddy. Grasping at straws even.

Now I know where the term PS3tard originated.

[36T]

"The PSN community is truly Head & shoulders above the XBL community"

LMAO!! that is one of the funniest things i have heard in quite some time. Thanks ThatCandianGuy420! If it wasn't for idiots like you this site wouldn't be as amusing as it is. PSN is horrible and everybody thats not a PS fanboy knows this.

"Spelled correctly it should of been "And you're proof"

PLEASE tell me that was a joke CanadianGuy!! "And you are proof??" REALLY? LMAO! once again you managed to make a fool of yourself. Go back to school instead of smoking weed all day long. ROFL. What a loser this guy is.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

The only one who is grasping is you buddy!

FTL = For the lose.That's just a commonly known fact.
It's like you're just spewing nonsense and clutching at it just to try and save face.

@36t

"Your" as in Your 360 is a piece of sh*t
"You're" as in You're a idiot.

Please..please..dear god don't flunk basic English class.

[Guitarded]

You gave these PS3 fanboys way more credit then they deserve. Canadian is still trying to convince himself that FTL means For The Lose!

Google and Wiki are your friends Canadian. Sorry, I forgot you have trouble with reading comprehension.

Please do continue trying to avoid the fact that you misinterpreted Wrathmans post. Divert the attention to an equally incorrect belief that FTL means For The Lose.
Like 36T stated. It's entertaining!

You are a two time loser in one thread! Congratulations!

[Narutone66]

for the slow ones above.
What's dumber than an idiot? A bot.

[Alcohog]

Tell us something we don't know!

[NYC_Gamer]

because psn has alot of mature adults...

[reaferfore20]

It's funny because PSN is mostly made of up immature adults. While live is mostly kids. Arguing over which system has the most "juvenile" players is pretty juvenile to begin with...

[ELite_Ghost]

I have good humour and I didnt laugh one second...

[koehler83]

Hey Ben.. We don't like MS shootin' crap about the competition. We'd appreciate if you shut your worthless trap too.

Thanks.

P.S. Your game sucks.

[blahgasm]

The game doesn't suck but he should keep his mouth shut.

EDIT: Yeah I edited what I wrote. I thought it was kind of d!ckish. As far as MAG is concerned; different strokes, I guess.

[koehler83]

I wasn't trying to take the high road, no. That's not my job. I do consider it their job though.

As a PS supporter, I am embarrassed by such behaviour. As a gamer, I think their game genuinely sucks.

[Venatus-Deus]

It sucks a little...

[bjornbear]

sorry try again.

[Double Toasted]

...that was funny...

[liebringer]

Developers should keep a high stance always, we have enough fanboys in the industry as it is. From the demo I really don't think the game will suck, but I'll wait for the reviews for a purchase. Too many good games on the PS3 this year! you have to think with your wallet...

[BiluMaster K's]

and that is why i rate PSN over Xbox Live time and time again...if this is their idea of community, I wouldn't move in

[PirateThom]

Seriously, unless you're going to make a 360 game (which you're not), shut up.

[baum]

They've played on Xbox LIVE and they have information to give an assessment on the age, let alone the behavior, of the players. I do agree, however, that they have an agenda.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Sony didn't package a headset in the box from the beginning.

While I'm sure that was more of a financial decision than anything, I think it was a GOOD decision.

That way, only the serious players buy them. Love it!

[Troll_Police]

It was a decision of allowing PS3 owners the freedom of using the Bluetooth earpiece of their choice and not forcing us to use their overpriced brand.

[hmmmm]

I didn't know you paid so much for the headset included free with your console....how dare they 'force' you to use a complimentary headset, shame on them!

[taylork37]

Overpriced, but exponentially better sound quality.

[kneon]

This weeks flyers just arrived and they are discounting the Sony bluetooth headset for the launch of MAG by up to 25% at most stores. Didn't see any bundled with the game though.

[heroprotagonist]

I won't use a Blutooth headset with any of my devices because I don't want that next to my head. It's not worth the risk in my opinion. We are already exposed to way to much EMF and other types of radiation nowadays. I don't want to add to it. Especially something that close to my head. I don't want to get brain cancer in 15 years.

I bought a nice logitec PS2 wired headset and the sound quality is great.

[Karooo]

yesterday in killzone 2 everyone was doing sexual talk. both networks have such people lmao.

anywys ya but psn is a little bit mature.

[chrisulloa]

If you're a part of the PSN, I wouldn't necessarily call it mature.

[bjornbear]

into the heart.

outchxD

[mesh1]

a sony 1st party dev talking crap about the rivals microsoft I AM SHOCKED../SACARSM

[Solidus187-SCMilk]

ahah yeah sure. Im sure he bases that off his extensive use of xbox live.

Oh wait, hes a sony exclusive developer talking crap about 360 to get ps3 fanboys to support his lackluster game? SURPRISE!!! NOT

[ThaGeNeCySt]

WHAAAAAAAAAAT?

TAKING A SWIPE AT XBOX LIVE? MY GOSH! OFF WITH HIS HEAD FOR SPEAKING ILL TOWARDS A RIVAL PRODUCT !

[liebringer]

What, now the PS3 developers are going to turn into douchebags like Turn 10? How about promoting your game instead of talking sh!t of the competition? I'll still get MAG if the reviews come back good but this industry needs less moronic fanboys, especially developer fanboys and more level headed people

[Dev8 ing]

Any attention is good attention is what these developers are going for. MAG wont do well and Forza hasn't done well so the developers want to get some attention for their games. This is one of the easiest.

[liebringer]

Well that's true... doesn't make it right though... Developers, and any product manufacturer / seller should talk / promote their own product only, not talk down the competition trying to get some easy purchases... That's just a bully attitude if you ask me...

[divideby0]

absolutely true, UNTIL they dropped the price of the PS3...now PSN has just as many kiddies it seems.

[Raoh]

i sort of agree.. there are idiots on ps3 but not as many..

some xbox 360 players may find something annoying in the ps3 community though...

hardcore clans.. lots of bossy players from other games who are clan members or leaders are too quick to shout orders or comment on others play style. i'm all for leadership and when i come across a good player i tend to stick with that gamer to learn more and help the team by helping him stay alive, especially snipers, i used to play defense for snipers in socom, making sure no one snuck up behind him..

but too many bossy players on psn..

[jalen247]

I guess Ben is entitled to his opinion like everyone else in the world...right?...Lighten up people...

[tdrules]

popping jabs at rivals is juvenile

[00]

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[anti-gamer]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Convas]

I LOL'd so hard at this. Bubbles for being Genuinely funny!

[anti-gamer]

thanks, and bubble for comment.

[reaferfore20]

Haha that was awesome! I love the WKYN... and Miss March too that was a badass movie.

[anti-gamer]

this news had effict youtube, go to you tube home page and you find kid talking trash video on Recommended for You.

[Red Eyed Gamer]

This is ridiculous. Your saying that Xbox live is better because you get headset included with Xbox 360. Of course you can compare without PS3 having a headset included in the box.

Just some little facts:

PlayStation Network is currently available in 55 countries.
Xbox Live is currently available in 26 countries.

(Not rubbish opinionated ballshite)

[tordavis]

XBL is in MY country.

[liebringer]

Good for you! and for everyone since you, and only you, are all that matters right? /S

[The Maxx]

Why should Tordavis care about what other regions XBL is available in? How will any other part of the world that doesn't have access to XBL in any means change his gaming experience over XBL?

[bjornbear]

personally i think its awesome to play online with random people from around the world =)

+ i'm guessing there's less english in PSN since of the amount of country diversity

this means fine, break in communication (hence why there are so many clans) but also you don't understand all the cussing and racism ;)

[blahgasm]

-

Below: I have no idea.

[Dev8 ing]

Was he the same guy that called the 360 community fuktards?

[chad22hkd]

LoL at the attachment!

[DEATHSTROKE-cro-]

http://www.youtube.com/resu...

LOL,I rest my case

I have headset and PS3 and I only use it when I play with friends
because I don't like to talk to people I don't know. -_-

[Tapioca Cold]

I have both consoles and there ia a massive difference between Live and PSN. Not in terms of service, both are great and offer good gaming, however Live is stuffed with young immature idiots. The commeneting and smack talk are truly ingnorant and terrible. if you don't have both consoles than how do you know?

How many of the commentors above have both consoles?

The 360 was much cheaper for a time. This made it easier for young males with no cash to afford one.

Psn has a much more diversified, global network. if you have been outside North America most of you little boys might realize that the rest of the world doesn't need to inflate themselves with smack talk.

Most of the comments above are based on hearsay and jibberish.

[heroprotagonist]

I have both consoles and my experience has not been the same. The amount of childish jerks seems to be found in about the same proportions on both services. There are just more people on Live and more people using headsets.

BTW, are trying to say that people in other countries are better than people from America? That sounds kind of chauvinist. I speak two languages fluently and I can tell you that people in other countries that speak one of my languages talk just as much smack as they do in America.

[green]

At least Turn 10 take jabs at fellow devs and not insult a user base that consists of millions of people that they have never and will never make a game for.

Now since i am part of the so called "juvenile" XBL users, i will laugh my head off if MAG does not end up AAA and gets adopted in the millions by the user base he considers better.

[dragonelite]

Mag is just oversized mw 2 with sh!tty graphics.
And we all know ps 3 users chooses graphics over gameplay.
So mag will fail big time.

[blahgasm]

Oh God, the irony.

Below: You could say the same thing about 360 games as well. So what is your point? That people are stupid or that PS3 Fanboys are stupid?

[taylork37]

@dragonelite

I could not have said it better myself.

I just hate the pre-release fanboy conclusion that all PS3 games are going to be good. After playing this for plenty of time I completely agree with how you said it.

Bubble.

[green]

First MAG review is in and EDGE magazine gave it a 4. http://www.n4g.com/gaming/N... LOL

[anti-gamer]

did you click on the link if you did you well not find any mag review score, So mag =/= 4.

just mag hater "darkmurder" lide and most fanboy dont click on the news they read the comment just like you.

[DaTruth]

Weren't you defending Gabe when he did the same thing?

[heroprotagonist]

When did Gabe do the same thing?

Gabe Newell said he thought the PS3's design was a mistake. He did not call the PS3 fanbase juvenile.

That said, I don't care about what Zipper said. It doesn't offend me. I know he is wrong from personal experience and I know he is just trying to talk up his platform.

[Ashby_JC]

He is entitled to his OPINION!!

But give everyone a mic on PSN and im am 100% sure he would be singing a different tune.

The game MAG itself is gonna attract a more mature crowd versus a EASy to pic up and play game like MW2. IMO!

The fact that PSN is FREE leads me to believe that there are as many annoying kids on PSN as LIVE is just more have mics since they come packed in with the 360.

[AliTheBrit19]

True

But PSN doesnt even have a network, nobody speaks or interacts in MultiPlayer games, its a joke, as is PSN.

[LtSkittles]

Not true. I own a mic, and everytime I play MW2, there's at at least game that with somebody else who has a mic. If you play the team matches like team tactical, you can get both teams with mics. I also have to be honest there are people who are homophobes on the PSN. I have been called a f#ggot, and the worst I can do is block him.

[Karooo]

you ignorant Xbots should shut the fck up. EVERYONE ALMOST EVERYONE on Socom has a mic, if the game has clear instructions THEY WILL USE IT.

lots of people have mic in MW2 in killzone 2 clan matches ALMOST EVERYONE HAS A MIC or you can't join a good clan.

just shut up with your fake comments.

[taylork37]

hey kartik...maybe other people will "shut up with thier fake comments," if you douche bags do the same thing. Saying that Xbox Live is less sophisticated and less mature is just as bad as saying that no one on PSN has mics.

You can deal out sh*t that isn't true but you can't take it.

[heroprotagonist]

@taylorK37

Great comment. I agree. I play both services and I just have to laugh at most of the comments on here. Both services are pretty similar in the amount of immaturity.

Besides, if I were judging the maturity level by the way the respective groups act on the internet, I would have to say that the PS3's fan base is the most immature. Just look at the majority of comments here in this article. It's just shameful.

[kewlkat007]

Like some have said bundle headsets with the PS3 and you'll probablly hear the same amount of crap.

Really it doesn't take much to act childish behind a monitor/tv saying whatever you feel like since there isn't much repocussions. Some think just because somebody is older they do not act stupid and dumb.

Stupid Misconception. Live has a more engaging community than PSN and some of the reasons is because it's very easy to communicate, with headsets being standard. Anywho I don't buy much shooters for PS because of the controller, so I couldn't tell you how this MAG game will do anyhow.

Hopefully they don't eat crow.

[kerrak]

Give everyone in europe a real gun and you will see how murders increase to similar levels as US. HaHaHa!
Why everybody tries to ignore what the facts are????
Uncharted 2 is on PS3. It's irrelevant if it can be done or not in the 360, cause it isn't!
MAG technology gives more options for the game to be GAMEPLAY wise innovative (i don't know if they will succeed). 360 doesnt have it.
And yes, XBL is more juvenile than PSN. Anybody deny those facts?

[taylork37]

I deny your last "opinion."

[blahgasm]

You're right, because nobody ever gets stabbed. Or beaten to death. Or run over by a car. Or poisoned. Or any other way to kill a person. Do you even know the ratio of firearm related murders to non firearm related murders or are you just talking out of your ass?

[kneon]

It's the people with the guns.

The entire country of Canada has less handgun murders per year than a typical medium size US city. Over all the handgun murder rate is more than 10 times as high in the US yet handgun ownership is only about 6 times as high. If you look at long guns the difference is even more drastic as the ownership rate is not nearly as different.

But we're way off topic here.

[heroprotagonist]

It seems some developers are more concerned with showing off than making a good game.

MAG having 256 players has almost nothing to do with the capabilities of the PS3 itself, but rather with networking code. The 360 could have a game with that many players just as easy. In fact, it was scheduled to have a game called Huxley with a massive amount of players but development ran into problems on the PC and 360 due to gameplay issues.

You see, having more players does not necessarily make a better game. Lots of developers could make games with huge player counts on either platform, but most wont do it unless they believe it will add something to their game. Most developers do not believe that it will help their game.

[Dance]

Of course a Sony in-house developer is going to say that

[lucifon]

And ironically the game would sell 2-3x more if it was on said platform too.

When I played MAG both in closed and open beta there were barely anyone using headsets, and when they were low and behold they were making insults.

[aaronisbla]

thats funny, i got the total opposite as you, the majority had mics and no insults were being tossed.

[devilhunterx]

XBL community = Drunk fratboys

PSN community = Silent Ninjas

[Gigalol]

The psn is for retarded owners.

[Double07]

You think MAG is coming to the 360? And you have the audacity to call other people retarded?

Lol @ you.

[TwistedMetal]

in all team based games people are usually talking when its needed. very rarely do you get tons of people just talking about there day and other stupid stuff that has nothing to do with the game that annoys me or any N words and crap. Psn is far more mature then xbl. people talk on xbl not becuase a game requires it but becuase they just lonely and want to talk about stuff like im there real life freind or something lol. XBL is like youtube is with all the fake vids,rick rolls, and little kids trying to be cool makeing the millionth unboxing of pokemon vids.

[360hasnogamesfor2010]

XBL= ONLY KIDS FAT AMERICANS FANBOYS OF HALO.

FACT.

PROOF:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[LtSkittles]

Not true either. My dad has a 360, he's not fat, not a kid, and I am pretty sure he hates Halo.

[heroprotagonist]

Bigot.

[Rhezin]

how bout you just shut up and DIE. XBL, as EVERYONE WITH A BRAIN KNOWS, is a preteen, whining, b!tching, crapfest of an online service. I hate you type a morons, maybe if you were clubbed on your fat heads something might click for you idiots one day.

[heroprotagonist]

See, this is the face of PSN ^^^^^^

Sooo mature.

[KiLLUMiNATi_89]

At least 95 percent of xbox live members have mic and can communicate better with other teammates.Zipper are retarded 256 in one match yea its cool n i've played mag n liked it but damn, out of 256 how many people are going to have headsets its 2010 wtf i dnt want to sit there and text chat, now thats juvenile lol

[LostCypher11]

when you give 20 million Live users Mics right out of the box your bound to get more screaming kids

[Mac is OK]

No offense but the less American kids with headsets the better. It's harder to run into ass***** from other countries, or at least they don't speak, and Xbox Live has a bigger ratio of Americans.

[heroprotagonist]

That sounds chauvinist.

[krauler]

?

[Socomer 1979]

Trust me. Every game I play has mics.
The difference is that nobody wants to be annoying.
Sometimes I get too loud & people key in to tell me stfu.

Psn is serious business with gamers who are very good.
Xboxlive really is a kids club of children off thier meds.
The difference is xboxlive is a elementary school yards where as psn is a college campus.
The conversations are very different & the intelligence level is day & night.

Don't be offended that the 360 is a kids toy with generic games.
Be happy that ps3 is cheap & 1 day you'll graduate to it you noobs.

Ha ha I'm buying mag! Na na na na na!

[heroprotagonist]

Real mature there./s You aren't giving a good image to PSN. Trust me.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Both Xbox-live and PSN have juvenile people using them. To criticize one and not the other is wrong. Anyone who generalizes the service based off of a minority has other issues motovaiting such predjudice.
There is absolutely no way anyone can formulate an opinion of the populations maturity on two services with so many people. That requires more than a few paragraphs and a lot broader research. Not I played on both and this is what it is comments.

What are gamers that use both xbox-live and PSN? Confused retards? This article is stupid flamebait.

[Justin_bristoe]

but i'm just buying it cuz i dont wanna mss out.i wasnt struck by the beta but only because i had to run a mile before i got to a b or c lol

[Ma1nframe]

What a true comment by Zipper. XBL is nothing but tweens getting their rocks off by cursing and calling everyone "f4gs"

XBL is nothing but KIDS and TWEENS.

PSN = WAY MORE MATURE

[MetalProxy]

I know lots of people that use there headsets on the PSN. Stop lying, seriously! The headset use is the same on both xbox live and the PSN.

[Garrison]

Which is one of the few reasons to use headsets at all in games. 99% of what strangers say in a game is just ramdom garbage not related at all to the game. Headsets are a waste of time unless your using for actual tactical advantage or talking with friends.

[Dorwrath]

The only reason why it seems that way is because most have mics as apposed to the Playstation kids that do not. Mommy and Daddy forgot to buy it because it's not packaged with the console.

Frankly it doesn't bother me, there is a thing called mute.

I wish Sony would package mics with their consoles. Team games on the PS3 are awful. How can you play a team game on the PS3 with no mics. Played team games on my PS3 and if there is one person with a mic you can guarantee it's some screaming twelve year old.

Immaturity plagues both systems. Just seems worse on Live because mics are supplied with the console.

[rob6021]

Go play Socom:Confrontation - play the new maps at 8vs8, this is a team game through and through and everyone has a mic in these rooms.

Although if you find yourself in a 32 player room full of noobs not many will have them.

[kneon]

except that the demographics show that most of the PS3 users are adults and so most likely bought it themselves. So they don't have to wait for mommy and daddy to let them buy a headset.

[aaronisbla]

i think its time you stopped using your experience as the end all be all. Every game i played with the exception of MW2 and MW1 always had people using teamwork. Does this make what you went thru less valid? no but neither does yours

[Lou Ferrigno]

PSN=FTW and fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuull of MATURE peeps with mics,i can HONESTLY say that ive only ran into a few douche bags on PSN,but when i had LIVE,it was almost 24/7 little brats talking crap and making racial comments.

XC0CK LIVE=FTMFL .. anyone with a brain could tell you that xc0x live is full of retards,and OCCASIONALLY you'll get some mature ones above the age of 5.

THATS why its great to not have a thousand ppl with mics,then garbage gets spewed all over the place and it gets annoying.
With the allmighty PSN you dont have to deal with that 98% of the time like XC0X LIVE.. since not everyone has mics,you mainly get the mature ones like in their 20's and ive even came across a bunch of little YET MATURE kids on psn too..

PSN waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay Before Xc0x live ANY DAY!!!

Xc0x live=98% little anoying pre-teen brats , 2% mature. FACT!

PSN=98% MATURE ADULTS,2%little douche bag kids. FACT!

FYI not ONCE have i found a match in the MAG beta without peeps having mics. :)

J U M P O U T & P L A Y B E Y O N D!

[DW]

Wow ... when you guys go at it, you guys go at it. Anyway, here's my thought on this - use the mute button.

The point is, kids (and grown ups), will continue to spout foul language and talk about random non-sense that you could care less about whether you're on PSN or Live.

[peeps]

most games i don't bother, even when i play 360 i don't bother with headsets (only kids shouting down the mics anyway) so i find i usually just mute every1.

MAG or Socom are the only 2 games where i'd actually bother 2 turn on my headset in order to play with team and the majority of the time ppl are working together as a squad/team.

obv u still get ppl who don't play mag how it's supposed to be played, but u'll always get this. a lot of gamers do realise u need teamwork to win tho.

i would like to see headsets being bundled with the ps3 in future tho, i mean they already have the official bluetooth headset on the market (which is excellent and half the price of the headset offered for 360)

[xAlmostPro]

360 fanboyd please stop saying "ps3 have no headsets" its bullsh*t!

i have one but when im playing say mw2 i just leave it off unless a friend is on then we both put it on, almost everytime you join a match with a group of people they will have headsets on, we just dont constantly have them switched on.. i mean why have it on when your not playing in a party? lol to talk to yourself? "yeah im gonna talk to myself so people will think im..erm wait a minute" haha..

i'll also witch it straight on if some dude(talking my language) has one on and is a good player that actual communicates about team work rather than what they ate lastnight..

or if im playing games where people actually work as a team instead of sitting in a corner in domination getting kills for a nuke :)

its honestly a myth, yeah its true 360 owners have MORE but alot of people do have headsets on ps3 they just use them wisely, instead of constantly

[spektical]

PSN is just more mature, there arent 10-13 yr old kids playing "M" games and shouting racial slurves/ foul language every 2 seconds, like on the 360. i swear i was playing Halo ODST at my friends place, and damn you guys know how to eat each other up.

[anti-gamer]

lol @ xbx360 fan they knew that blutooth mic or USB mic is cheaper than xbox live gold member fees, So the same kid that can get 40$ gold member every year they can get 10-30$ mic.

[FFXI101]

headsets, not one but two(Offical PS and Turtle Beach). Everyone on my friend list has headset(because I play games with everyone of them and talked to them)there're about 40 of them.

Every match I was in(whether is MAG, BFBC2, SOCOM, Killzone2, MW2, UC2) there're always people who have mic or without. Some might not use it rightaway but that doesn't mean they don't have one, maybe they just don't feel like to use it. Samething on 360, just because you are in the party chat and not in the game does not mean you don't have mic.

[N4Garbage]

PsN is every man for themselves. The chances of finding some attentive talking buddies on the PsN other than forums and real life friends is slim.

KZ2 playing with the few online....is like playing a game with skilled bots.

[webeblazing]

well dats dumb to say most people on psn dat i talk 2 say they dont talk on mics cuz its not really need with most games to win and they dont care about talking to people they dont know but which i can see cuz people mostly use them on tactile games like socom, killzone, mag, etc. no matter what service people gonna say what they want to say

[Lehman Brothers]

PSN .. it only does free trophys.

[Two-Face]

PSN is great.

[gtamike123]

So basically Xbox 360 is for KIDS(aka xbots) and PSN Servers are more powerful.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Sony folks talking trash.. No class and I expect the same vile response from everyone that Gabe or Aaron or Turn10 receive when they critise. (doubt we will see it though)

I've been on both PSN and XBL long enough to be able to make a comparison and I will say you find idiots on both systems. 5 minutes in a Halo game or 5 minutes in Home there is always someone.

STFU Zipper and get back to making piss poor games this gen...

[sack_boi]

We don't need to stoop to their level (fanboys off-course), lets be mature, as we always are ;)

[webeblazing]

this they 1st game and what they said is dumb like most people here are saying plus u get the usual fanboys that act like its gold or whatever they do

[aaronisbla]

they should shut up but like the above user said, they dont have any games out this gen yet, mag hits next week

[molsen81]

Don't forget that there are also silly people like me who have headsets, but don't say anything.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Who is Zipper??? I guess they missed the article the other day about females being harassed on HOME.

FAIL!

[Britney Spears]

Read,he said "more juvenile" meaning it's just more worse. He never said it was flawless on psn. It's much worse on 360 with all the kids talking crap,go ask anyone that has been there and see. Also How the hell you don't know who Zipper is? Zipper made SOCOM which single handily made PS2 online.

[Hudahudahuda]

Kind of a low blow, but I do agree. Big reason why I won't pay for Live.

But I have to laugh at people saying you get hatemail instead. That's a big load of BS. You will probably get more trashtalkers and hatemail on Live.

[Smokzdaizm]

If PSN/developers users worried more about playing games on PSN instead of CONSTANTLY commenting on XBL maybe they would have a better experience. Because here's a news flash for you XBL users can care less about what happens on PSN, hell my PS3 hasn't even been connected to the internet in months because I personally don't care for PSN and it feels just like an afterthought rather than an integrated experience. So let me hit all the fanboy talking points... Dedicated servers, you know why there are dedicated servers, because Sony doesn't supply an infastructure or servers for PSN so developers have to provide them for themselves... And if PSN is so great why is that SOCOM ran like crap, MW2 was unplayable and why in the hell does it take 51/2 hours to download two damn demos (Warhawk/Heavenly Sword)on the same connection as XBL which I have NEVER had anything take longer than 10 minutes (and that's for full games)... And before you all go it's free-well great for you, I gladly pay for XBL because it suits my needs I ACTUALLY like meeting/talking to people and socializing(contray to popular belief not all gamers are anti-social nerds), I can easily manuveur between rooms with my friends/party and I can play my own music for my favorite games (speaking of which I gotta make a spacey soundtrack for ME2-maybe some trip-hop hmm. And there are just as many annoying kids on PSN as there are on XBL, the differnce is we can boot there asses with ease-can you do the same. I'll admit that the PS3 is a great system (so is the 360) hell me and my friends bought it for KZ2, but after a good month we have since returned to XBL because we can't talk to each other if we weren't playing the same (and could barely do it if we were playing the same game)-I take that back they signed on for the MAG beta, and didn't like it because they kept getting kicked out and decided that we won't be purchasing it-I'll reserve my opinion on that since I didn't download but I'm not gonna buy it if my boys aren't... How about worrying about PSN and let those who could care less support the service they want to support.

[Lex Luthor]

Lol, i think this guy should be concentrating on the garbage that is MAG.

[DelbertGrady]

PSN and MAG have something in common. I'll let you figure out the rest.

[mxrider2]

they both are very good, they both are tactical, and they both require skill...

[Pootangpie]

btw how's that crappy mag beta coming along hmmm I'm pretty sure everyone giving it postive feedback right now right LOL

[SilentNegotiator]

"Ben Jones says most people on PSN don't have headsets"
And those who DO are usually more mature.

"you cant understand it on low quality bluetooth headsets"
1. BS.
2. You don't have to use Bluetooth, I use a USB mic.

[CernaML]

All 360 fanboys probably have dandruff.

Edit: could have sworn I clicked the reply button. Oh well.

[TehCell]

PSN doesnt use headsets. No, they dont spam you either.
From experience, they just do their best to do a one-hit-kill(a cluster of swearing all in one paragraph, along with your mom).
Then they block you.
PSN is veeeery mature.

Oh, and try playing the MGS4 online mode.
First, they stun/k.o./choke you.
Then they tbag you more than in Halo.
They also crawl over you, with their crotch to your face.
While all this is going on, they proceed to call you "noob" and "u suk", and you cant even respond because your knocked out, so you cant type nor communicate. Go ahead, play it. ESPECIALLY where they restrict guns and have knives only. Kinda sad, since mgs4 is all about patriotism and honor.

PSN is no better than xbox live.

[jmallymav]

When I play online onthe 360 like gears or halo, guess what, as soon as I speak to say what's up, they say the nword most of the time, say like 70 percent of the time, when I play kz2 or uncharted2 online to say what's up, white people will say the nword like 60 percent of the time I play, so don't tell me one crowd is mature than another, their are gamertags on psn with kkk in them gimme a break

[xx SgtP3pp3r xx]

Being the creators of Socom they should know about the juvenile behavior of gamers. Don't get me wrong there are a lot of decent people that play the game but just as many nobs. Play one night and see how many times you get kicked for absolutely nothing. The PS3 has just as many immature gamers as the 360 just not all of them have headsets.

[krauler]

Technicaly, if your talking about Socom: Confrontation on the PS3, that is NOT Zipper.

[wutangkillabees]

i have ps3 and i have used a mic since ps2 for socom so we do have mics. all the people i play with have mics

[xx SgtP3pp3r xx]

Just because you have one doesn't mean everyone does. The point I was making and clearly stated is that there are as many immature players on PSN as Live. I have played on both. I used Socom as an example because Zipper made the opening comment and I thought it was cheeky. I wasn't attacking people that play Socom personally and I did say most of the players, at least half were fine.

[harshtruth]

first
when ps3 was $600 and 360 was $300 there was a huge difference in maturity on psn and live. Most gamers on psn were mature(meaning you didn't get random overweight 12yo singing into the headset. The price-point of the consoles for the most part separated gamers by class and age(there were exceptions to both). Now that ps3 is $300 psn has been changing.

second
It depends on the type of game. Certain games are played by certain types of people(mostly). If you play these games online you might be exposed to stupid children doing dumb sh*t on the headset, racism, gay slurs:

Halo
Modern Warfare
Resistance
Gears of War
UFC (this was horrible with the inbox hate lol)
Madden

I think there are a couple of certain demographics that play these games (mostly)

[debuchan]

the west.

When I was playing MGO NA it was full of trash talkers, glitchers and racists. In MGO Jp almost no glitchers(almost all glitchers are not Japanese), respectful players and some racist(racist because they are now beginning to generalize that all foreigners are glitchers).

[Figboy]

why? because i just don't want to talk to most of you assholes (the assholes on my friends list excepted, of course).

i usually only use my mic when it's absolutely, positively vital to do so (like Survival in Uncharted 2), or when i'm playing with friends/family.

both LIVE and the PSN have their fair share of retards. LIVE is more popular, has been around longer, and has a larger userbase than the PSN, so it's not unreasonable to think that there would be a larger number of juvenile griefers on LIVE than the PSN.

believe me, the PSN will get there as it edges closer to a mass market price.

immature people are everywhere. most of them don't even KNOW they're immature...

[krauler]

right on the money!

[cmrbe]

its true.

[krauler]

I have a headset for the PS3 and I rarely use it. In fact, I usually end up muting most people as well because of verbal diarrhea. However, I was in the MAG closed beta and I used that mic every single time. It improved the experience because it was used for what it was designed for, teamwork and tactics. MAG is playable without a mic but I don't recommend it.

If little Timmy is going to yell out profanities to everyone just because he can, it would ruin this game for many people.

I believe it's a good thing that Sony doesn't bundle head sets with their consoles.

[Britney Spears]

The man is right and yes people do use mics on pns. You must be stuck in a 2007 mentality still because i hear people all the time. Mostly kids own xbox that's why. Men own ps3 for the most part so it's more mature.

[bunfighterii]

yeah kids couldn't afford PS3's up until November last year. I bet that has alot to do with it. I remember playing Killzone 2 and there was nobody under 20 playing who had a headset, and it was all just talk about tactics.

[chad22hkd]

I don't know why everyone thinks we should all use a headset. Normally on psn when me and a friend are playing we mute everyone else. Because with everyone talking it's hard to make out anything anyone says. But psn is only more mature because of less headsets it's true. This is coming from a single console owner. I played a game of W@W yesterday with a drunk irish dude screaming "I'm ma kill all you NOOBS" over and over again. Then I played some Bad Company, the game glitched we all got stuck in the same area around this rock. This was weird and the first time something like that happened. Well for like 3 min these dudes we yelling at us. Get out of our effing way MOVE MOVE. Even though the whole time we where telling them the game glitched. So I team killed us all with a grenade to escape. I took negative 60 to save us all. Well then I was cursed out and called a idiot, retard homo lol stuff of that nature. I have had plenty of ignorant moments on psn. Where people use headsets less. So it's the same people. But it's true you don't see it as much on psn because of less headsets.

[acere]

the truth hurt?

[heroprotagonist]

Oh, the irony! A bunch of PS3 fanboys acting immature while they try to proclaim that PSN has the most mature user base. Amazing.

[xTrueLegendx]

It just depends on what games your playing xbox deffently has more people cause the system comes with a headset meaning more little kid or teenagers playing witch makes zipper right about thier comment!

[aaronisbla]

People do use mics, more often than not, at least in my experience, that isnt to say others who claim that users dont have mics are wrong.

although i have been on live and experienced some really racists slurs and immature acts, i have also heard it on ps3. Lets not pretend that one base is more mature than the other

Zipper, you should have shut the fvck up on this topic, thats no better than valve or turn 10 in people's eyes. At least get your game out the door and running. Hopefully the game is good, i enjoyed the beta and will get it day one, don't make me regret it by sh!t talking Zipper

[King81]

One of my best friends has a 360 so whenever i go over to play COD:MW2 all i hear is people talking sh*t. If you're complaining about people not having mics on ps3 seriously make some friends with mics. All of my friends have mics

[Dellis]

XBL will have its own game called BRAG with

360 players!

[A LIVING LEGEND]

Idiocy,ignorance,profanity.Exi st in abundance on BOTH services.Whether you pay to listen to it or not.
Lots of headsets on BOTH services,whether you ignore the fact or not.
Lots of serious,decent gamers with a firm grasp of 'online etiquette' on BOTH services.
I could only imagine the nonsensical,profane rhetoric one would hear,rather endure if one were playing online with half the miscreants in this thread.
The comments alone speak volumes.Great representation fellow um??........gamers.

[CoffeewithChess]

I've only heard voice chat in one PS3 game, and that was Killzone 2.

Surprisingly, the dialogue wasn't as atrocious as I remember the dialogue back on the original Xbox's Live service.

[bunfighterii]

As a regular PSN user with a headset who's only briefly used Xbox LIVE....

PSN is likely to have as many juveniles saying offensive, albeit hilarious things as LIVE.

I was just playing MW2 and copped this from a British kid who couldn't have been more than 12 or 13-

"I'll f**k you and your dad both a the same time!"

Pure gold.

[P_Bomb]

Guys like you and Halo3MLGPro aren't helping prove Ben wrong with your propoganda and half truths.

So you haven't booted up PSN in months yet you somehow "know" so many "facts" about it? Name dropping 3 year old games like Heavenly Sword and Warhawk kinda dates your arguments. You do realise XBL has a cap and doesn't generally allow 1.5 GB downloads (which you can find on PSN all the time), right? Bionic Commando Rearmed and SuperStreetFighter2 Turbo HD had to get special clearance just to EXIST on XBL due to its cap. LOL! They raised the cap past 150MB at the time just to get the games released: http://www.wired.com/gameli...

You read that right. 150 MB cap. THAT'S why your downloads were so fast, you had next to nothing to download! You've gotta have grapefruits the size of skyscrapers to diss PSN after THAT lil' fact of fail.

Socom is crap you say, well that's cuz Socom is crap. Don't talk about that until you guys get GEARS OF WAR's online sorted...which is still broken after HOW many years?! You know. Gears? The flagship franchise after Halo?

What else are peeps claiming...5 1/2 hours to download demos on PSN (lie), no mics (lie), what's Zipper (ya ok), PSN devs constantly dissing XBL (you used caps too, like that suddenly makes it true and not a lie?) , some dedicated server diss (if you love online so much smokz you just lost some cred' right there), I mean honestly. You're just giving Ben more ammo.

[Smokzdaizm]

Whatever dude if I start a download at 1:30pm and it finishes at around 6:00pm that's 5 1/2 hours....Whether you believe it or not means nothing... Have you ever noticed how much time you Sony fans spend online critcizing-sp XBL, while XBL users are actually playing online. It's Friday, so I'll sign on here tonight to see if the usual suspects are on here, and then I'll back after I finish with my Forza tournament tonight and see how Sony dudes are still commenting and how many 360 dudes are because everytime I visit this site it's mostly Sony fanboys bashing everything Microsoft I thought they would be busy playing-I guess not

[infekt]

Xbox community just got Killzwnd! little immature sh1ts..

[MR LOOKINGBILL]

I wonder how much Sony paid these guys for this ridiculous comment. There just butt hurt because LIVE is kicking PSN ass.

[Shendow]

Alot of 360 fanboys, I haven't had any trash talk in mail on PSN from MW2 or MAG Beta or any other title but one. GTA4 an I had only one person say something, he was mad because I killed him with a car.

I think its safe to say that XBL and PSN both have people that trash talk but I haven't seen many people write to someone to trash talk other then once, as for the mic thing.

Not everyone needs a mic to understand what the plan is, the only plus to having a mic is if you got people you know on your team and you all got mics or you can tell your friends what the plan is. Just like every other game, theirs people with medic skills but never help you when you are down, I shock alot of people PS3 and 360 by supporting them.

In the end, both are the same and anyways that thinks other, deal with it.

[Shendow]

One thing that all COD games have on any system is rank jerks, if you aren't a high rank then they don't want you in their game, I tick off some people when I played COD:World At War online an after seeing me having about 20 kills.

They stop crying about my rank.

[xxmob]

this happened to me when i first started plying halo random people stated to help me rank up and play better, then i played mw2 a got cused out by a 10 year old. i hope mag has people like it said in the article

[jack who]

i love when ppl talk out their ass

[deshon09]

i just don't have any thing to say that just

[Shendow]

I think the only times I really use one is to talk to friends while playing a game, but really that is it.

But in someways it is good to have one because if you talk to someone people that are fun to play games with, then you can ask them to add you.

[deshon09]

a bluetooth head set but i just dont use it it for games

[DelbertGrady]

Xbox Live gamers are too juvenile to play sh!tty games like MAG.

[wages of sin]

I can't say that he is wrong for the simple fact that the 360 comes with a headset, the PS3 doesn't. It isn't an issue of "kids and teenagers", it's an issue of availability and most PS3 owners either don't have a headset or don't use it.

Online was an afterthought to Sony (and Nintendo), one of several "back tracks" that Sony had to do. For example the sixaxis itself is a direct result of trying to be like the Wii. Rumble is another. It went from "old tech" to a feature...and rather quickly I might add. The biggest difference between the 360 and the PS3 is the online component; seeing as how with the 360 is built around XBL. This in turn fosters more of a community aspect. Combine that with fanboys and anonymity and you've got poison. PS3 isn't immune or elite, it's simply because PSN is a response to live not a planned part of the experience.

Ultimately though, I think it says more about humanity than XBL or PSN. It's not the service, it's the mentality of the people. No more, no less.

[Tesselation 360]

I bet it again written by a droids and he dosent even know what he is talking about lol. yesterday i was installing a wireless wds network at a client and 1 thing he wanted for sure to have no problems was his ps3 online as this was giving him strict nat problem. Anyway to try it out i sat next to him and he fired up cod. More juvenile lol no 1 this boy is like 14 years old fail number 1 that. He was using his on screen keyboard to speak to his mate so i asked him "hey you dont use mic to talk online he said yee yee i got one so he hooked it up and what lol. Fail no 2 all i could hear was lol this guy next to me sayin to everyone playin on cod F##k this and f@@k u there and the other people on the other end was answering back in a different language and belive me they all sounded like phedopiles to be honest thank god we didnt understand. Thats a huge barrier there maybe thats why they think its better cause most of the time they dont even understand what the hell they are telling them. PSN is the failure of the generation.

[ps12&3lover]

bots are use to playing with colorful robotic power rangers and yelling all at once at eatchother while thier mom is making them a cheese sanwhich..

and who ever saying xbl is head and shoulders above of psn..is'nt so funny that you bots are saying that about a game that supports more people on screen than any 360 game out..lol you bots get dummer and dummer lol

[MyWordIsGospel]

HAhahaha Superb article confirming everything I have ever known, MS 360 users pay for an immature service dodging pre - pubescent kids looking for a slanging war online..

PSN is free and is not dominated by spotty teenagers using 'your mum' jokes and insults, I cant wait to start my ps3 later play some uncharted 2 (GOTY) on my BLuetooth headset (360 doesn;t support bluetooth) I can even take a piss, make a drink, roll a fat one, feed my cat and walk around naked talking on my BLUETOOTH headset (which i converted from my old phone, no need to fund my hardware man' more money) while you 360 boys are confined by a foamy grey headset (how 1996) with a 2 metre radius... hahahahaha

The rise of the ps3 keeps on coming and this year will be truly epic...enjoy gears of lag / left for (ideas) i mean dead 1 & 2 while im immersed in 256 player matches..

YOu lose MS, Gates, Gabe Newell... THe ps3 owns once again!

[MR LOOKINGBILL]

THE PS3 WILL REMAIN IN LAST PLACE THIS GENERATION SO STOP DRINKING YOUR SONY KOOL-AID...MAG IS A JOKE WITH INFERIOR TEXTURES.

[MyWordIsGospel]

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Ignore18 - My two cents...
I can't say that he is wrong for the simple fact that the 360 comes with a headset, the PS3 doesn't. It isn't an issue of "kids and teenagers", it's an issue of availability and most PS3 owners either don't have a headset or don't use it.

'Online was an afterthought to Sony'Is this the same Sony that paved the way for online consoles on ps2 you muppet!!
The same Sony that host everquest and huge MMO games before MS even entered gaming..now be quiet and go chatr to some pre-pubescents online you absolute fool...there is my two cents back at you!

[wages of sin]

You rant about immaturity and prepubescent teens but then turn around and post something like that and expect to be taken seriously? Surely your joking because maturity seems to be an enemy of yours.

As to your attempt at correcting me, your mistaken. The Dreamcast was the first one to bring online to consoles successfully. Interestingly enough Peter Moore was over at Sega at the time and some believe (as do I) that he played a big role in online being a major part of the original XBOX, when he came over to Microsoft. The PS2 did have online after the fact, but it was not really supported.

Lastly, I a give credit to Zipper for trying something like this with MAG. For me, I'll pass on this one as I didn't enjoy the beta; to each his own. What I will say is that having that many players is a great technical feat but it isn't a sign of an awesome game. More isn't necessarily better.

[MyWordIsGospel]

Wages of Sin I woned a dreamcast and wopuld not say Sega paved the way for online support on consoles, it was terrible I never played a god damn sinlge game on its infastructute. The ps2 supported PES, Battefield MODERN COMBAT superbly and I spent many a hour playing these to death online.

And your comment is wrong re: Most owners dont have headsets, MOST DO but it has been stated if you trwal thorugh the 200+ posts that they choose not to use on every game, which IMO is a good thing as it negates the childish banter and pre - pubescent nature of XBL..

If you have an ounce of integrity and intelligence like you seem to have in abudance then join the dark side and see for yourself how PSN is superior (cost,fanbase,games) and I guarantee you will see what a crock of sh1t XBL live is full of moronic american kids who have no idea about the outside world and just 'yell and whoop' everytime they get a kill or win.

Join the darkside you must!

[MR LOOKINGBILL]

HAHAHA...you must have typed all this jibberish out your ass