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Supreme Commander 2 developer believes PC is the true future of gaming

Veteran developer and head of Gas Powered Gas Chris Taylor explains why the future of gaming lies with PC rather than in consoles, which he believes will eventually become a closed and obsolete avenue for development.

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Godmars2905223d ago

PCs have existed since the very beginning of computer gaming never truly establishing themselves the way consoles have. How is that suppose to change?

Charmers5223d ago

Is that a joke ? there are more PC gamers than the Wii, 360 and PS3 combined. The PC is so well entrenched and established in a way the consoles will never achieve. The PC is now considered an essential item like the fridge or a cooker but a console is still considered a "luxury" item in other words something people do not need.

If people have a PC they can play games, it may not be to the same technical sophistication as the latest games but they are still gaming. This is the problem you have a narrow view of what gaming is. The world of gaming is not just about the latest whiz bang quadruple AAAAAAAA game that costs about 70 million to make and will sell all of about 6 copies.

If anything it could be argued that the consoles have never established themselves like the PC has and that will never change. After all I don't see the PC changing to become more like a console but I do see with each generation consoles becoming more like PC's.

ATi_Elite5223d ago

The very first video games were made and played on the PC and the very last video games will be made and played on the PC.

The PC does today what the console might be able to do tomorrow.

Unlimited power, storage, and potential. The PC gaming experience is far bigger than the hot title of the month. It's whatever you want it to be and more.

OpenGL, modding, independent, multi media, the PC is GAMING's Past Present and Future.

Godmars2905223d ago

The thing is that PC gaming, hardcore as apposed to casual, has never been mainstream. Its always been the thing for techies willing spend $1000 or more to upgrade a rig already costing $2000 to play a $40 game.

Yeah most people play games on PC, but minesweeper really isn't the same thing as Doom 3. Its differences like that which have kept PC gaming as second class gaming, even though at its best example it can be ten times better than console gaming.

Charmers5223d ago

Now you are just perpetuating myths with the $2000 PC and another $1000 to upgrade it. I have never in my life ever spent $3000 on a PC and if someone is stupid enough to spend that amount of money then they need their head seeing too.

You then devalue the PC by going "but minesweeper really isn't the same thing as Doom 3" I am not talking about minesweeper or solitaire. There are millions of people that play facebook games every day on the PC. Then there are the browser based games which require very little in the way of tech knowledge or high end PC's to run.

The problem is you are looking at JUST the high tech games and coming to your conclusions. If anything the high tech games are running into trouble, these games are costing millions and bar a few examples are barely making a profit. The high tech games can only exist because MS and Sony pour millions into them (and they won't keep doing that forever).

The PC on the other hand has such a massive variety, we have the high tech games, indie games and browser games etc. No platform on the planet has the amount of variety and choice as the PC.

The technology on the PC is getting steadily better, not just for the high end market but the low end as well. A graphics card with the power of an 8800gtx can be had for £60. This was the point of the article the future is the PC because of it's flexibility and adaptability.

At the end of the day as I have said which is the truer statement ? Have PC's become more like consoles over the years ? or have consoles become more like PC's ? Most reasonable people would say that consoles are becoming more like PC's so that tells you something.

JsonHenry5223d ago

I get so sick of the PC costs so much more than consoles debate. When your console launched (if you include the price of an HDTV of an size) cost the SAME as it would have to build a PC with the same capabilities.

HOWEVER, even a CHEAP PC today can out-perform anything the consoles can do. Not to mention the catalog of games are much larger for the PC.

Remember - your console is only doing 1024*768 (at best, many games run lower rez than that) with x2AA (again, at best). Not too much of a feat for even a low end PC to pull off.

With installs, patches, low resolutions, and DLC you might as well be playing on a PC for the same amount of money. Not to mention your PC can do countless things that your console cannot do.

Godmars2905223d ago

No, I'm considering the general consumer, casual gamer, mindset and coming to my conclusions. And while I may have been exaggerating with the $1000 price tag and being taken literally - something that *NEVER* happens on the internet - there are games that require hardware upgrades that almost cost as much as a console. Software updates that Joe-blow consumer ran into because they couldn't or didn't bother to translate the system requirements tag on a game box, and is going to remember that experience the next time they think about buying another game.

And speaking about coming to wrong conclusions, what about you and the easy gaming on Facebook and browsers? Why do you think that came about? It owes more to the popularity of consoles and the iPhone than the PC gaming industry recognizing their weaknesses on their own. Is an effort to get over the stigma of rig pricing and needing to constantly upgrade.

ATi_Elite5223d ago

Who the heck spends $3000 on a Pc? Thats way too much to play Crysis, solitaire, minesweeper, Mafia wars, World of Warcraft or whatever Facebook flash game is the flavor of the month.

Pc gaming is more than just Crysis and double gfx card set ups. This is only what PC Enthusiast do. Casual PC gamers can buy a cheapo PC off the shelf and play Crysis or whatever just fine for $400 or $500 dollars.

I think the High Dollar PC is a big misconception to the reality of PC gaming along with system requirments which are easier to determine than what oil and air filter you got in your car.

PC gaming is whatever "YOU" want out of it not what your limited to.

Think of PC's as CARS, you have Ferrari's and Fords, either way they both get you to where you want to go.

Charmers5223d ago

All the criticisms you levelled at high end PC gaming can equally be levelled at the consoles. This generation of consoles has been nearly as confusing for customers as the PC is. You just need to look at the different models that both the Xbox 360 and the PS3 have gone through, some models have some features and other models had those features removed.

The same for software updates, the 360 and PS3 are no longer immune to that either games need patches and I have lost count of how many firmware patches and NXE updates there are.

I do love how you try to talk down the PC's role with facebook and try to credit the console with a hand in it's popularity. Last time I checked the 360 has only just been given the ability to access face book and even then in a limited manner. The popularity of face book, the internet and browser games is down in the most part to PC's becoming affordable for the masses. The PC has ALWAYS driven these things and yet for some reason you guys think that is all about to change ........ erm no it isn't.

As I have said consoles are becoming PC's that says it all doesn't it as to where the future is. If the future was console gaming don't you think PC's would be trying to become more like consoles. Oh and the "stigma" of upgrading only exists because of people like you that blatantly lie.

steve30x5223d ago (Edited 5223d ago )

I am very sorry to tell you but there are lots of hardcore gamers that are willing to spend stupid ammounts of money for their fix and for their bragging rights. For instance EVGA announced a new motherboard last week that takes 12 sticks of ram , 7 graphics cards and two CPU's. On the HardOCP forums there was about 5 people willing to buy one and all the hardware to fill the slots. They also wanted a few SSD's for it. It would cost aproximately 3 - 4 thousand for the lot (maybe more). I visit another forum where theres a good few gamers with massively expensive hardware just to play the latest games.

My own computer is two years old and it still runs all the latest DX10 games. I am not bragging here but my hardware is decent enough and in total cost me 3,500 euro but its lasted me this long so far. I do intend in upgrading my GPU to the latest DX11 by Nvidia and my CPU but keep the rest of my hardware because there is no reason for me to do a total upgrade for at least another two years. All in total my next upgrade will cost me between 700 and 800 euro.

Saying that you can easily buy a PC for under 1000 euro these days and play all of the latest games no problem but you will need to turn down a lot of the settings. You dont need to spend huge amounts of money to be able to play games. I also use my PC for video editing which is why I also have a powerful machine and its not just for playing games.

Still I have to disagree with Godmars290. PC gaming has more followers than you think is there and the way you are talking about PC gaming you seem to be either in denial or you are living in your very own console fantasy world (This last bit was for Godmars290)

Charmers5223d ago

steve30x there will always be people that go to extremes like that. I personally think they are quite insane myself but if that is what they enjoy doing then good luck to them. That is the beauty of PC gaming, you make it what you want it to be.

The thing is you don't NEED to spend $2000 + $1000 to enjoy all the latest games maxxed out at a decent resolution. You can if you want but that is a different issue. About two years ago I built myself a quadcore for about £500 the only upgrade was a new GTX260 in the middle of 2009 which cost me £150 that brings me to £650 spent on my PC and it handles everything I throw at it today.

I don't plan on upgrading again now for another year or two. By then the Dx11 cards will be respectably priced and I will pick one up for about £100/£150. This is not massive amounts of money here and I save a packet buying games for the PC because I wait for the steam sales and PC games are always released £10 cheaper than console games.

Nihilism5223d ago

I don't know what you're talking about with having to turn settings down, my 2 year old pc with a gtx280 runs every game with the max in game settings ( textures, shadows, effects, lighting etc etc etc ), the only thing that varies is AA, and it hasn't gotten to the point where I run any game with less than 4aa at 1920x1080, that is true for every game but crysis. You could easily build a PC better than mine for $1000

steve30x5223d ago

aproximnately 90% of computers under 1000 euro will not have a GPU as powerful as yours you know. Just because yours has a GTX280 dont mean all computers under 1000 euro has the same GPU.

Godmars2905223d ago

When I'm talking about consoles I'm actually not talking about the 360 or PS3, I'm talking about the Wii, PS2 and iPhone. If you want to consider the iPhone a game console.

Gaming didn't really become popular to the mainstream until the PS1. During the PS2 and Gameboy era is when it really started to take off and PC industry started looking for its cut. Had a bigger is better mentality which meant that every high profile game required an upgrade. This practice continued up to and including Crysis. That devs then went back and retooled it so that it could run better on lower end rigs is moot tot he argument: general public opinion is that PCs proper are too complex and expensive and your grandma would rather play on a Wii or mess around on her iPhone.

You guys are looking and judging this thing from the inside possibly like the this guy is. Thinking in terms of market growth, an adaptive public who are going to migrate from simple gaming. When anything, PCs have to go halfway if not more and become simpler which is what the 360 and PS3 are: dumbed down PCs.

Neither of which has taken the pubic by storm.

steve30x5223d ago

I kind of get what you are trying to say. I do think that if M$ made a simpler to use OS for the mainstream (something like the NXE for PC) then the PC would take off even better , but with the introduction of windows 7 the OS has gotten simpler but its still complex. If you are talking hardware wise then it is'nt that complex for the average person because these days you can buy a decent pre-built computer for under 500 euro and all you do is bring it home , follow the instruction manual and away you go.

In general software and hardware companies are working to making PC's easier all the time to use. Give it ten years from now and your average person will have no problem using a computer because the software will have gotten a lot easier to use than it is now. As for the hardsware end , well if the hardware is not tampered with most low cost computers will last for an average 5 - 6 years , but because of the nature of electronics you can never know exactly when a part of your computer will break.

Just like your console. You will never know when your console is going to break. I am on my second Xbox 360 which is 18 months old and is nearing a RROD where I am still on my first PS3 which I have for two and a half years and its never given me any trouble. My first Xbox 360 only lasted 11 months before it gave up on me.

Nihilism5223d ago (Edited 5223d ago )

I just went to newegg.com

and for $969 I can easily build a better pc than mine

i5-750
4gig 1333mhz DDR3
5850
PSU
22" monitor
Antect Three Hundred Case
1156 motherboard

Anyone that pays $1000 and doesn't get a better PC than mine is an idiot ( people that buy Dell's ) that's like paying $600 for a ps3, when game stores have them for half that and then saying 'ps3's are too expensive'

steve30x5223d ago (Edited 5223d ago )

That may be your point but still tell me how many prebuilt PC's under 1000 euro have such GPU's? I know what I am talking about because I used to work in a computer store building and repairing computers. 90% of the computers I built had cheap GPU's in them and I cant see how that must have changed in the past year. Also 90% of people wanting a cheap computer will not build it themselves.

What sort of PSU is in that list? I wouldnt put a dirt Cheap PSU in a computer because 1) they blow a lot faster than a quality PSU and when a PSU blows you better hope it doesnt bring some of the other hardware with it 2) A cheap PSU has lower power that it shows on the box.

Also that list is missing some essential parts which will push it over 1000 euro. Your Missing HDD , DVD ROM , Keyboard and mouse. WIthout those it is'nt a Proper PC.

I just know you want to argue this out till your last bubble though.

Nihilism5223d ago (Edited 5223d ago )

You just proved me point, while dissagreeing with me.

My point being that just because idiots pay more at overpriced shops, does not mean that pc are that expensive, or that they cannot get one for under $1000.

My example of buying a dell, or buying an overpriced ps3, it's the same thing, you can always get it cheaper elsewhere, that's the stores fault for jacking up the price, not the hardware's.

The PSU is a 550watt antec, you could easily make up the cost af a HDD and the other things by removing the monitor, you don't factor a TV cost into the cost of a console do you?

EDIT:

You really are a jackass

when you buy a console you pay for the box, if you do the same with a pc, you can easily get a HDD mouse and keyboard for less than the price of the monitor, and yes there is justification for leaving it out, for the same reason people don't factor in a new tv cost with the price of a console, it is assumed that you have a tv already, just as it is assumed that you have a monitor already.

@steve30x

1.17...you mean the comment with the assumption that I used a cheap PSU in that rig price, which I did not....and the one where you disregard the fact that the HDD mouse and keyboard are all much cheaper than the monitors total price, which you need not include for reasons I have already mentioned.

Yeah, i'll be sure to read it reeeeeeeeeal careful and absorb some of your ignorant wisdom

steve30x5223d ago (Edited 5223d ago )

Your a funny guy. You tried to prove me wrong by posting a list of parts that were under $1000 and left out some parts which would push it over $1000 and now your turning back on what you tried to do LOL. What are you going to say next?

Knew you would try and justify what you said. Without a monitor how are they going to see what they are doing? Not all TV's can display a computer display properly and some TV's dont have computer input. Mind control instead of mouse and keyboard?

I see you are now turning to name calling because I am right.

@evrfighter Way to take what I said and Ignore what dchalfont said. Also Ignore most of the other points I said. Please read what I said on 1.17 carefully before you have a dig at what I am trying to say. When I said the parts were over $1000 I meant the parts the other guy was talking about. Did you have this attention disorder in school too?

Ill leave it there. I just dont want to argue. Take it as if I lost or won I dont care. I know in my own mind that I am right and if you want to disagree with me then so be it.

evrfighter5223d ago

http://www.tigerdirect.com/...

CyberpowerPC Gamer Ultra 8266 Gaming PC - AMD Phenom II X4 945 3.0GHz,
4GB DDR2,
500GB HDD,
ATI Radeon HD 5770,
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
$859

HOWEVER
you can probably save close to $100 if you built it yourself.
A quad core directx 11 ready system that won't be bottlenecked by ram or the cpu.

$1000 pc myth busted. Try Again Steve

ATi_Elite5223d ago

Build a PC for under $1000 and it has to be able to run Crysis.

Sony dvd/cd $27
Antec mid tower $35
WD Caviar 250gb $48
ASUS mobo w/ HD 3300 $120
Raidmax 630 watt PSu $55
Microsoft keyboard/mouse wireless $30
OCZ 4gb DDr3 ram $80
AMD 550x2 Black Edition w/ Rosewill CPU cooler $115

Now the HD3300 GPU on the Motherboard can run Crysis on Med to high
but so no one complains

Diamond HD 5770 $170
Sapphire HD 5770 $165
Asus 19" Monitor $120

grand total $964 and this is a Directx 11 Crossfire setup that is future proof and will run Crysis MAXXED OUT. So no more false truths about PC being so expensive.

I could have made this even cheaper.

evrfighter5222d ago (Edited 5222d ago )

" I know in my own mind that I am right and if you want to disagree with me then so be it."

looooooooooooooool hilarity at its finest.

it's ok little stevey you can be right in your own mind (still lol'ing here)

"Saying that you can easily buy a PC for under 1000 euro these days and play all of the latest games no problem but you will need to turn down a lot of the settings."

guess what. DE-BUNKED with my link

"That may be your point but still tell me how many prebuilt PC's under 1000 euro have such GPU's?"

guess what. DE-BUNKED again

"Also that list is missing some essential parts which will push it over 1000 euro. Your Missing HDD , DVD ROM , Keyboard and mouse. WIthout those it is'nt a Proper PC"

guess what. Ya I went there it even comes with a mouse and keyboard. DE-BUBUBUBUBUUUUUNNNNNKED

"Knew you would try and justify what you said. Without a monitor how are they going to see what they are doing?"

How are console gamers supposed to play without a TV?

wait there's a tv in just about every household you say???? well gues what!!! there's a computer in just as many :D

grab the metal spoon stevey cause you're gonna be scrapin wood down there at the bottom of that barrel. lol

steve30x5222d ago (Edited 5222d ago )

Im just curious at how old you really are? Youve said Debunked to something thats not even a myth. Also You quoted me about the missing parts in dchalfonts' list and said they were included. Wow you did realy pay attention didnt you. Do you pay that much attention in school?

Also your link didnt prove anything except that you can build a half decent computer for under 1000 euro.

Also I asked how many computers under 1000 euro had better graphics cards than a GTX 280 and your answer was "Debunked". What sort of answer is that?

You also quoted me about the TV but failed to pay attention to the part where I said that not all TV's will display a computer display properly.

Now where is this myth you are trying to DE-BUNNK? I swear that reply of yours was the most childish I have seen on N4G in a long time. Especially the very start of your post about the Hilarity. Im so happy that you got a laugh from me , but it seems like you are the only one laughing.

@Krazy Bone: At what stage in any of my posts did I say you cant build a PC that can run Crysis with less than $1000?

Im using my last bubble here but theres still PM

evrfighter5222d ago

"Youve said Debunked to something thats not even a myth"

are you really that mis-informed?

Your ENTIRE argument is the myth. Look at your WHOLE argument and then google console vs. pc gaming. You'll understand what I mean.

and as I expected questioning my age is really beginning to scrape the bottom of that barrel.

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chak_5223d ago

indeed it is.

Only DLC buyers doubt that. *cough*
That should be in flame zone I know, but truth as to be said §!1

(insert pandamobile approbation below)

ceiltsei5223d ago

I agree with PC Gaming being a constant, but I do not believe consoles will go extinct. The console system will change over time, possibly become something different altogether (See Pong, then Atari, then Nintendo, then Playstation, then Wii, etc) and continue to keep market share.

A PC has something that no console has - ultimate backward compatibility and a completely open software market. No license required. Sad to say this, but I will probably be playing Diablo 1 for nostalgic reasons (Diablo2 just was not creepy enough to me) in ten years time. Nintendo Wii is the only other system that has decent backward compatibility (albeit with repurchasing software).

RealityCheck5223d ago

The only way I see PC gaming possibly taking market share away from consoles for the "living room" gamers would be indirectly through something like OnLive, where technically games while being run remotely are run on PCs.

Otherwise, I don't see kids\moms\seniors and non-tech savvy gamers putting up with the added complexities of maintaining a gaming PC.

I won't use the cost excuse, PCs have gotten cheaper and launch consoles have gotten more expensive. It remains however that unless some standards are established, gaming PCs offer two much choice to the customers (confusion), too many compatibility issues (which game can run on what, in which mode), and an interface more complicated than dedicated consoles (could be alleviated with special software but who would make it?).

The only company that could have spearheaded a living room gaming PC successfully would have been Microsoft but they went the Xbox way instead. So most likely PC gaming will remain as it is.

ceiltsei5223d ago

You have some really good points there, RealityCheck. The PC market has been quite complicated and that alienates those who do not want to deal with it. Somebody I know once compared it to shopping for a car, when completely ignorant on vehicles. You know what you want it to do, but you do not know the benefits of some of the newer tech and what brands are important or better. Companies like HP do not make it any better when they release a gaming computer with a really shoddy onboard videocard.

I predict Onlive will become more of a console thing that will directly compete with PCs. The PC gamers will have better graphics and ping, and of course the higher customization and usability, and the Onlive customers will just accept whatever get themselves into.

ATi_Elite5223d ago

I understand your point but what many fail to realize is that the evolution of the CONSOLE is to become a more friendlier PC. Original consoles only played proprietary games.

Now they have internet connections, usb ports, hardrives, optical drives, CPU's ,Gpu's, Firmware updates, Ram, Operating systems, download music,movies, and etc.

All these items i just listed are the same parts and functions of a PC.

This is the first console generation that actual challenged the PC, why because this generation's consoles are basically closed sourced PC's that the general public can turn on and use with ease.

Consoles have and will continue EVOLVING to PC's until they are extinct and you just buy proprietary software (Sony Nintendo Microsoft) to play your games on your PC.

Consoles are just a way for the big company to have greater control of their product. But it's getting to a point where more and more houses have low cost high powered PC's.

You can't keep releasing $500 dollar consoles when a $400 dollar PC has the freedom and power to do so much more.

Cosquae5223d ago

I would even go so far as to argue that a $400 PC is more gaming friendly to 'non-gamers' (Kids, Mums, Elderly) than modern consoles are.

The Sims franchise turned a whole generation of mothers and daughters into 'casual gaming' (100m+ units sold) and how many console owners play FarmVille etc? It's those kind of games, not Crysis, that make PCs a more friendly system. The games that don't need the latest video cards (or any video cards come to that).

RealityCheck5223d ago

to Krayzie Bone

Functionally I understand what you are saying that modern consoles are very PC-like.

Being closed-PCs however give them the advantage of standardization. As I was saying before, part of the problem with PCs as gaming consoles is that there is too much hardware choices and variations. It's too confusing for the regular customer. They would have to come up with minimum standard PC configuration, for example "this is a gaming PC level 500, it can play PC games rated level 100-500; this is a gaming PC level 700...".

I used to be a PC gamer for 10+ years before being a console gamer; went through a 2-3 year transition using both and been a console only gamer for the last 7 years or so. I loved PC gaming but I just don't have the time anymore to put up with it's higher complexity and try to explain and tutor the rest of the family in how to use and maintain a setup like that.

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