Is a Firmware Update Killing PS3 Blu-Ray Drives?

This lengthy thread at the Playstation forums suggests that some combination of the 3.10 firmware and Modern Warfare 2 is killing PS3 Blu-ray drives. Maybe it's true, or maybe they're all just drinking the kool-aid.

Forum members have reportedly pinpointed several reproducible freezes in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 which they claim began only after installing the 3.10 firmware (the most recent release is 3.15). After experiencing this freezing, many members reported problems in other games, leading them to conclude that the firmware update adversely affected their Blu-ray drives.

[edwineverready]

A lot of people play mw2 so the change is big that mw2 will be in the ps3 when it dies! It's not because of the firmware!

[WildArmed]

lol IT IS!
Coz the firmware had a DOOMSDAY code in it so it'd fuk up your console..
it's all an evil scheme by sony! OMGZ >.>

[Baba1906]

mine broke becouse of ff8 though. =D but well im much happier with my slim now.

[thor]

Ouch! Mine didn't break with FF8, but I found out that my PS3 isn't compatible with the 4th disk only when I got to the 4th disk... thankfully I have a memory card adaptor and my old PS2 :)

[silverbeld]

Yeah whatever. ^^^

Mines broke after the firmware that is for sure. After the firmware i still can play dvd movies and all other things except the play blu-ray movies or blu-ray games. :(

But Sony repaired mine PS3 for free and i had it back in four days. :)

[Swiftfox]

This complaint in the confined group of the Ps3 comuminty has been around since the firmware that launched with the Slim Line Ps3's. It seems to primarily hit older model Ps3's 20's 40's 60's and sometimes 80's.

When my Ps3 Blu-Ray drive failed I had just started playing Ratchet and Clank: A Crack in Time, so I think it just comes down to the game you are playing when your Blu-Ray Drive decides to go.

I fixes it myself through replacing the Blu-Ray drive since my Ps3 was outside the warranty and I was not about to give up my 60gig model.

Most professional out of the wall repair shops have heard about the possibility of the Firmware causing the Blu-Ray lasers in the older models to be pushed harder than they are indented to be which leads to premature failure of the product. There was even a lawsuit filed against Sony for this very issue. Though, most repair professionals I have chatted with feel that the initial models of the PS3's Blu-Ray drive were of bad design compared to the newer models and are simply more prone to premature failure.

If there is an issue with your Ps3 please make sure you actually call Sony support to confirm the issues with your PS3. If not Sony than contact a reputible PS3 repair service. The PS3 is a complex piece of technology and many things could be the issue from dust on the lens to a faulty firmware install. Trying to fix/figure out the issues without professional advice could lead to you damaging the unit beyond the actual problem.

[Wrathman]

never had my ps3 break, yet.dont play many games on it tho.

i have a friend who is on his third.blu-ray drive failure was coverd by continuous play insurance.which extended his warranty for 90 days.then it broke again.few weeks later BANG! dead again.same issue.no insurance now.£125 to get a refurb.which you have to give your old ps3 to get.then the refurb dies.which is replaced and seemingly working ok now.

after he gave the ps3 customer service guy an ear full about reliability,he gives him a link to a website which reports that the ps3's failure rate is less than 1%.my friend is confused because he is on his 3rd ps3.

funny thing is that his xbox has only died once.

it may not be as bad as xbox failure but its certainly a lot more than <1%.but sony will not budge in saying there is no problem.and after 1 year they will not touch it.

your £125 will buy you an xbox.if mine breaks thats what ill be telling them.

[hagla]

There is no way so many of you have really had this many problems with PS3's... I'm not saying they don't die and i'm sure for some of you it is true but there are like 10 replies here already saying "I'm on my third PS3" blah blah blah...
NO WAY are all these claims true

[Wrathman]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

the only people lying are sony..about their failure rate

[JoySticksFTW]

Unfortunately, the 3.10 firmware hiccups are for real.

I don't think it's widespread, but I have one Real Life friend that was affected by this.

He was playing Fall Out around that time and his PS3 no longer reads Blu-ray movies.

And this was before the deal which Sony offered to replace 60gb's with slims for $120

I'm glad someone is reporting that Sony fixed his for free, but my friend had to go buy a slim because Sony denied it it was their fault.

Maybe he should have pushed them harder

[Traveler]

I had my Bluray drive go out but it was a while ago and I know it wasn't because of a firmware. People have problems around the time a new firmware comes out and they automatically think it was the firmware that did it. That is my opinion at least. Not that it is impossible for firmwares to cause hardware problems, but I don't think that is the reason most of the time.

[Pillage05]

My first ps3(40GB) had some bluetooth issues, bluetooth would completely cut out randomly while playing. my second (80GB) got YLOD after about 6 months of use, that one was fixed by sony for free. my third just past the one year mark and is doing good. I sold my first one so I just have the two 80gigs now. One for meh wife, and one for me. :)

[lightningsax]

@Swiftfox

That's exactly what happened to me. I installed 3.1 on my 40GB just before I took Katamari Forever home from the store. I put the disc in and it worked a bit, but the music stopped in the middle of a stage and the game subsequently froze once I left the level. I restarted the PS3, and this time there was no sound and the game froze quickly. At the second restart, the game wasn't read at all.

Like an idiot, I took the game back thinking it was the problem, and got a fresh copy. Came back and it didn't work, so I tried different games, DVD's, and Blu-Rays, and none of them were read at all. I then found out that when the spinning disc icon keeps going to no avail, it's the Blu-Ray drive, and you're screwed.

Well, it was a great reason to sell it back with a refurb fee and get the newly minted Slim! I was a bit poorer, but now I have a quieter, cooler piece of machinery for a bit more than the price of a repair.

One thing I regret is that because I didn't send it to Sony for repairs, my PS3 wasn't registered as dead immediately after 3.1 was released. Sure, those company records are probably unobtainable by an outside group, but it would at least been on their record. Sigh. Sorry, guys.

[bjornbear]

bubs for using your brain (unlike many)

PS3's just die-

then again consider your habits: do you leave it on 24h? Do you EVER switch if off? Is it in a hot dusty pace? Do you swich Bly.rays a lot? Is there a lot of humidity in the room?etc etc...

many more factors than just a firmware guys ;)

[ian72]

My blu-ray died on me while playing Godfather(dons ed) last February, Original 60gig fat, 1 1/2 yr old. Would play CD, DVD but not blu-ray games. Got it replaced with same model for £145. I don't think its the firmware thats the fault, Its the usage and probably poor make in old models. Mine did get hell of a lot of use, 1000's of hours. At least with games with big installs when first played, the blu ray isn't getting as much use as the data is coming more from the Hard drive not disc. That is one good thing about installs on games, this should help with blu-ray usage.
Also many other factors could to blame.

[young juice]

wtf you people need to learn how to take care of your consoles, ive had mine since launch and its still running smooth as ice. i think i might upgrade soon though. i play atleast once a day also.

[cl63AMG]

I'm not too tech savvy so I don't quite understand how a software up date (or firmware if you prefer) can affect the hardware of system, such as a the blu-ray drive.
I've had 2 laser's go out on me. From what I've heard the early 40gb's are notorious for fault lasers which is what I happen to have. Fortunately if you do your research on the forums and stuff its easy to replace it yourself (which I did the 2nd time to save the money).

[kneon]

Much more than other games so it could be MW2 that is the problem.

[Anon1974]

Not one, and I know a number of PS3 owners. This simply isn't an issue.
Now the 360, the last 360 owner I knew who hadn't experience RROD finally had his first one die on him making that 100% of 360 owners I know, including myself, who have suffered from one, if not more, hardware failures.

You have to ask how Microsoft can bring in over 4 billion in revenue with the 360 and still barely record any profits. There's your answer right there. Even though they cleverly took a hit a couple of years ago to keep the costs of the warranty replacement off the books going forward, it's still an ongoing cost. It's great that 360's now seem to be less prone to up and dying, but that doesn't matter a lick to the 30 million 360 owners who don't have newer models.

[Pistolero]

...always pulls out his trusty ole RROD stories...but then again why are you talking about that when this is about possible problems with the ps3?...anyway, I guess I am one of the lucky ones...I haven't had a problem with my PS3 or my 360.

[Sarcasm]

I seriously question why a "Tech" blogging website is dumb enough not to realize that Firmware updates in general, regardless of the tech is always a risk. TVs, Phones, and even your momma's brand spankin' new high tech Refrigerator could have a firmware update, and every time there's a risk.

That's actually why I'm starting to dislike all these FW updates for the PS3 unless it's for something significant.

[PJ]

I am so pissed my 80gb just went out two days ago YLOD. I eventually wanted to get a slim but not this soon.

[Cold 2000]

Now...what the heck did that have to do with the article...?

[Anon1974]

The article is about PS3's failing. I offered my personal perspective on the issue, which is that I haven't met anyone that's had a problem. I then contrasted that with my experience with the 360. Do you need me to break it down simpler for you?

@ Pistolero. My, what a shiny, new account you have. So who were you before that account? You stated right there you've had no issue with RROD. Thusly, you have no right to judge me. It's like someone telling a Diabetic, "What are you complaining about. I'VE never had diabetes." There are millions of 360 owners who have had their time wasted, over and over by faulty 360 hardware and that's a fact.

I was attempting to frame this "article" with some perspective. It's a fact that millions of 360 owners have suffered the inconvenience of faulty systems.

This story is telling us "We heard from some guy on, like, a forum, that the new update may be causing some kind of problem with, like, the PS3 and stuff? Like, we really don't know and are just running with it instead of investigating."

Please. How many times have we seen this sad little game play out? Over and over we're subjected to "stories" trying to make it sound like there's something wrong with the PS3 on the level of rrod. There's isn't but they keep trying, jumping on any perceived slip-up instead of actually investigating the issue.

I'm also guessing by the amount of disagrees my first comment received, as well as disagrees to anyone else who dared mention they've had no problems with their PS3's, there's a lot of 360 fans trolling the PS3 forums this weekend. No games to play, perhaps? You could always beat Gears or Halo 3 for the 30th time. ;)

[pixelsword]

My 60Gb PS3 got YLoD just when I was about to play Batman: Arkham Asylum. It was on it's third year, (R.I.P. my young friend).

Maybe it was my fault, maybe it wasn't; but it doesn't erase the fact that it happened. :)

I also respect you when you say you never met a person who had a PS3 go bad; with a low rate, I tend to believe you. But I'm telling the truth when I say it happened to me.

I don't think you'll see it happening much at all with the slims, because the older models are power mongers. Yet, if there is something happening, even if there's a chance on the older models, call Sony out on it.

I like Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft; but if they pull crap and piss me off, I'll bury them just the same.

[Anon1974]

I know it happens, I'm not saying it doesn't. And my point isn't to belittle those that it has happened to. As a guy on his 4th 360, I know how bad it sucks. It's such a huge pain in the ass to go through the process of sending it in, the costs involved, not being able to play the bulk of your games and just the general hole it leaves knowing that something you purchased should be there, but it's not.

I was more trying to draw attention to these articles. For example, this one. It's based on nothing more than a rumor in a forum, and yet they jump all over it like it's fact based, widespread and generally a serious issue. It's a pain, but the issue isn't widespread. We know this, but still these articles crop up almost every time there's an update trying to blow everything out of proportion.

I just don't understand the mentality behind it these articles. Can you imagine if every single Windows update, we were subjected to article after article about how someone's videocard drivers stopped working after the update, or buddy's laptop froze up? Yet someone claims on a forum to have an issue with a PS3 update and they're all over it.

[SniperJDC]

"Firmwares don't kill Blu-ray drives, people kill blu-ray drives"

[LONEWOLF231]

Well just hope mine doesnt go out any time soon especially since all the beastly PS3 games are around the corner.

[tripewire]

It. Just. Never. Stops.

Two PS3's myself, 3 close friends have one each. I know various other people with ps3's. None of us have EVER had ANY problems. As in ZIP!

[n4gn4gn4gn4g]

I'm on my 3rd PS3 so far in 2.5 years...first time BD drive gave out under warranty...second time it was YLOD outside of warranty.

I used to contribute to a small PS3 focused blog...of the 5 contributors, 4 of us had replaced our PS3s at least once.

So...although I fully believe that the issues are nowhere near PS2 or 360 levels...I think they may be starting to run over the CES industry average faults of 3% within 2 years of purchase.

Again...anecdotal so beleive me or not but you'll see by my commentary history that I'm a PS3 supporter. (and my Avatar is strongly related to SONY)

PS. I didn't hit your disagree.

[mauleriscool]

I've had 2 different ps3s die one me as well. 40gb the blu ray drive died and 80gb metal gear the gpu died.
Looked like this

[dalibor]

Just wanted to comment that I'm on my second 60gig PS3, got that ylod. The new one I got back in 08 has been running strong. No Blu Ray drive failure while playing MW2 & with the update. So far so good. I know two other people with PS3's (40gig models) who have not had any problems. There is no electronic equipment out there that does not fail. Some of them will. Hopefully it's not you that it decides to break down on. Speaking of electronics has there been any with no failures? I doubt it but just wondering if somebody perhaps knew.

[InFAMOUS1]

I had a 40GIG blu ray drive die on me under warranty. Gave it 2 my cousin when it got back and bought an 80GB no problems its been just over a year.
This is 4 sure a MW2 problem.. I can play one of my other 15 games and NEVER does my disc drive work as much as it does when MW2 is it.. I stopped playing it for that very reason.. My comment when MW2 came out on my PSN profile was MW2- BLURAY KILLER!! It NEVER stops reading.. So I twitter fourzerotwo and he says to install it 2 the HDD.. LIKE REALLY 402? Do you know nothing about your game? Do you realize that you didnt make it to install on PS3 but you did on the 360? WOW!! this is not firmware.. simply lazy development

[lightningsax]

It's great to hear that you have five surviving systems. I had one 40GB system, the Blu-Ray drive broke, and the repair cost didn't outweigh the trade-in fee to get the Slim. No one's saying that 100% of them were affected; otherwise it would be blatantly obvious and no one would have to make an article. I loved my old PS3, and I love my new Slim, but yeah, the exact problem mentioned in the article happened to me. Whether it's the firmware or a coincidence is completely up in the air.

[Johnny Rotten]

lol, you gotta hate when software kills hardware.

while your at it write an article about this http://forums.xbox.com/281/...

lol

[Rhythmattic]

Software or not, Interesting Link.

Honestly , Interesting. PS3 "Fanies" should read it.

[LONEWOLF231]

Ummm yeah.........

[darkequitus]

I have not played by my PS3 for two week. Today, I upgraded to 3.15 and started up UC2. The was making some chronic grinding noise (like the laser was having trouble picking up the track). Maybe I just did not notice it before or maybe my 60GB is on its was out anyway.

[TheFreak]

say what!?!? You havn`t played Uncharted 2 yet!?!? If not I suggest that you do NOW! You are missing out on the best game this gen!

[LordMarius]

My PS3 always does that with Uncharted 2 but no other game.
It kind of scares me whats gonna happen when I put GOW3 in :/

[darkequitus]

@MariusElijah

Interesting. Then it is just the way UC2 starts up then. That is a relief. I thought I would have to shell out for a slim and a PS2. :)

[LordMarius]

well I dont know if its normal, seems like it puts it through some stress which cant be good?

[dalibor]

Just so you people know before popping in a game always clean the disk. I had a fingerprint on U2 game disk & it would not load the game. I thought it was my PS3 at first so I tried everything with my PS3 to get the game to load. Than I saw a finger print on the U2 game disk that was located near the hole(inner most part on the data side) & when I cleaned it off it worked. The simplest things can solve your problem at times. And I always make sure I have at least 8gigs on my hard drive just in case.

[LordMarius]

No, its not fingerprints, it has been doing that since the very first time I insert it but its only at the beginning, once it reaches The Naughty Dog logo it stops

[dalibor]

Then it doesn't sound like a fingerprint b/c when I experienced my prob it wouldn't load anything. It was just a blank screen. Hopefully nothing happens to your system Marius.

[darkequitus]

Yes, that churning only happens at the beginning when the screen is black and you have that dagger down at the bottom right.

Anyway, my UC2 has not left my PS3 since I got it.

[OmarJA-N4G]

I only turn on my 360 for my DVD movies still getting RROD.

[Wrathman]

oh you lie so much omar. i never use my xbox for movies.thats wot my ps3 is for.it upscales dvds and is silent.

i know your lying coz the xbox is like a jet engine and you cant hear wot your watching.unless your watchin TOP GUN and want some nice jet engine effects like a surround sound system.

[DaTruth]

I had that same problem with UC1. That coin would just keep spinning and spinning. Removed the disk, cleaned it and it started right up. Weird because I never dirty my disks or touch them; They all look like new!

[GigaGaia]

A firmware update can't kill the blu-ray drive, bullshit, people are just looking for an excuse to blame their problem. The 3.10 firmware was the excuse in this case.

[tudors]

Your wrong mate, not saying this is the problem with the new update but you can kill just about any piece of hardware with a firmware update, it all depends on what the new firmware is designed to do, tell you one thing I am all for the installing of games now, I would much rather install and the drives survive, IMO the update to allow installs on the 360 was a wise choice, regards this story I think likely more PS3's have problems than people like to talk about, so everytime there is a new firmware it becomes the perfect excuse for their problem and much more chance of having it fixed for free, this is the worry for me when buying a PS3, I cannot afford the repair bill f it does fail.

[lonix]

the holes in the film are heaps smaller than dvd

I had the same thing happen to me with uncharted

[xunderx]

i've had my 60g(now 300g) since it first came out. When i popped in mw2, i noticed the bluray drive would not stop reading. People, next time your playing mw2, listen to drive. That raised a flag, i gave the game away and that was that. I never heard the bluray drive move like that before, in all the games ive owned.

One more thing, i also hear my drive motor, it doesn't sound so good. I figure if problem occurs, purchase slim, then wait for prices of blu ray drives to drop and fix it later. Why spend $150 to repair, when $300 gets brand new. I don't really care for last gen games(maybe sometimes).

side note,,,,,socom coldfront ROCKS!!!!, back to socom cf

[LeonhartX]

if you take care 100% of your console be it ps3 of x360 nothing will happen that my personal opinion though

[RedDragan]

^ Speaks Truth

[PirateThom]

I took good care of my PS3, but the disc drive died in it.

[RedDragan]

Describe good care PirateTom

[OpenGL]

While hardware abuse may be the cause of some hardware failure, it is not the only cause. I have had both my Xbox 360 and PS3 break on me once(RROD and dead Blu-ray drive) and I keep my equipment on an open glass stand with a HEPA filter running 24/7 in said room. I've built dozens of PCs over the years and done repairs and modifications to game consoles as well.

Any console with moving parts is guaranteed to fail eventually, but the 360 and PS3 have had an unusually high failure rate. The 360's is a lot higher of course, but both consoles break a lot more than say the Wii. While it stinks when any system breaks, your chance of hardware failure with a new unit is decreasing steadily.

[PirateThom]

About 6 inches away from any other device, rarely moved, dusted and vacummed regularly. I honestly couldn't have done anything more to prevent it, just stopped reading discs one day.

It lasted about 2 years, in fairness, but the point is, somethings just break, especially when it's being used as much as that PS3 was being used.

[peeps]

i took care of both. so far had my 360 replaced once and ps3 replaced once...

[bunfighterii]

true that. If you treat any console well it'll work fine. That means keeping it clean, dusting it and around it regularly, not putting anything on top of it, putting in a spot where it can stay cool with plenty of room for the fans to work (ie. not against a wall or in a small compartment of a tv cabinet), not leaving it on when your not using it etc etc.

I've had my 40gig PS3 for over 2 years now. Latest firmware, MW2 aswell, and even upgraded the HDD to a 320gig- never had any problems.

Had a couple Xbox's suffer RROD, but they used to sit in a room that had no air con and would get sweltering in summer. Since I moved it into my room with the PS3, it's been fine for over a year. 360's need a little extra TLC.

[proximately]

...if it's because of the distributor or the consumer that their console becomes a trainwreck?

[RedDragan]

I have noticed as soon as you question the owners care of the system, the disagree's come in.

I don't care if anyone disagree my post here, that shows they are not being looked after and some kid of pissed off that his PS3 is broken because he expected Sony to keep it dist free for him!

It is time to wake up to reality though little kiddies, Mammy and Daddy are not dusting downstairs every week for fun you know!

[GigaGaia]

If you take care of your ps3, nothing will happen to it. If you take care of your 360, you will have a RRoD anyway.

Also, no, the 3.10 firmware have nothing to do with MW2 problem.

[DigitalHorror81]

I took GREAT care of my 360.

1. Bought one of those Intercoolers for the back of it.
2. Kept it ventilated with a fan.
3. Dusted it constantly.
4. Wiped the exterior of the machine with a dry washcloth at least twice weekly.
5. Tried to play games less than 3-4 hours a day.

STILL GOT RROD. It's a hardware failure. They rushed it out before Sony and paid for it dearly. Don't spin facts.

I do the same for my PS3. No issues yet. Bought it Sept. 21, 2008.

PSN ID: DigitalHorror81

[tudors]

He was there when the new update was prompting to install, I told him he had to tell me it was ok to install it, I noticed the drive noise with CODMW2 but when you have owned a 360 for so long you get used to the odd noise, I am curious to know why on a console that has so many required installs that the one game that might need it does not have the option, when I either get a new 360 or upgrade the HDD all my games are getting installed, why throttle a drive when you don't have to? I am contradicting myself because I am sure I used to be against it, but if it saves hardware from failing or makes for a more quiet experience then great, also HDD's don't scratch disks do so theres another reason.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Sony has had like 5 or 6 firmware updates that brick consoles. At least MS fixes the issue, even if it takes a while.

[OmarJA-N4G]

Oh really? brick consoles? at least they don't kill the hardware like other console...

*Cough* 360 *Cough*.

[RedDragan]

RROD? Did you forget about RROD? That wasn't even software, it didn't need a software update to brick it. It just broke. Hoew could you so easily forget about RROD?

Jason360, Open Zone is that way
------->

[ReBurn]

I had a 360 firmware update brick my 360. Microsoft fixed it for free because it was under warranty. I hope one never bricks my PS3, because it isn't under warranty.

[tudors]

Please elaborate or don't bother. Also you know as well as I do the RROD is hardly ever mentioned anymore apart from the mouths of *anboys. Nobody is saying your precious PS3 is defective just that the firmware might be causing probems, it happens, and when it does we need to bring it to light so we can address the problem with solutions.

[Silly gameAr]

Nice timing huh?

[johnsonbat]

My 60gb PS3 has crapped out twice after firmware updates.
Thankfully I got 5 yr warranty. Had the blu-Ray drive and
hard drive replaced during last repair.

[WeaseL]

Looks like sony have finaly caught on how to inflate there console numbers by killing off consoles. Don't forget though MS got there first.

[CBaoth]

Like PSN too. I was hoping the popularity of something free would've forced MS to eventually make Live free as well. Silly rabbit, greed is for the CEOs.

[Arnon]

I just got done playing Demon's Souls, and near the end of my playtime, I experienced extreme stuttering in framerate and sound.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

52 pages, 10 comments per page, and there is about 10 threads on firmware bricked consoles. Looks like the PS3 has caught up to the 360 on failure rate :D

[RedDragan]

Mine is still alive and kicking. Loving my 1080p HD with 7.1 Surround Sound.

How's your 360?

[gtamike123]

MS has had a $1billion loss on xbox 360 repairs.
Now that must be new world-wide record for a failed console.

[mcnablejr]

too bad you have basically nothing good to show for it.
list the games in 7.1? lol

[RedDragan]

@McNabljer

Got me plenty of glorious blu-ray movies with 7.1 HD Surround.

You see, in my house people come over and have a few bevvies and enjoy a good movie. And you wanna know something... a bloody good movie attracts the other sex as well! OH MY! *puts hand over mouth in shock!*

;-)

The Blu-Ray drive is far from wasted, when you are a cross between a Hardcore and Casual Gamer... the Blu-Ray and Blu-Ray related tech really does pay off. I am just glad some of the other peeps have started buying their own stuff now because I don't have to wash the pint glasses everynight, it is nice to have a frigging night off at their place once in a while.

[Oner]

So let me get this straight Jason360...you think that ~

1 thread link with 52 pages within that 1 thread x 10 replies on each page = 520 posts on the PS3 Forum

somehow equates to "equal"

1,125 SEPARATE thread linkS with X number of pages within that WHOLE section (not just 1 link) for a total of 12,741 posts (and counting) on the 360 Forum ~ http://forums.xbox.com/281/...

and that makes it "Look like the PS3 has caught up to the 360 on failure rate"?!?!?! Are you kidding me?...UN-F'ING BELIEVABLE...Honestly, STFU with that BS already. Please. Because you can't make yourself look anymore the fool and misinformed than you already have/are (although we all know you will try even harder).

Seriously.

[Dev8 ing]

List of games with 7.1. Sorry it's old.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/sh...

[mcnablejr]

lol = understatement.

[dredgewalker]

Had our fisrt PS3 die due to the video card getting broke, it was one those 40gig PS3's but it got replaced with another unit and we're now using it for 2 years with no problem. I guess there are some models that are prone to fail. I have seen some YLOD cases in my country but they are so very few like the video card problem i had on our first PS3. I never had any issues with updates, i just download them on my pc.

[finbars75]

I have had my ps3 from the launch and not one problem with it.Not to sure what to tell everyone else.I feel bad thats for sure.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

What a mess.

[CBaoth]

you always pop up where you're not wanted

[Oner]

WOW, "what a mess" this is! I mean it is SOOOO rampant because

1 thread link with 52 pages within that 1 thread x 10 replies on each page = 520 posts on the PS3 Forum

somehow equates to "equal"

1,125 SEPARATE thread linkS with X number of pages within that WHOLE section (not just 1 link) for a total of 12,741 posts (and counting) on the 360 Forum http://forums.xbox.com/281/...

about all of the 360's issues (RROD, ALL the E codes, Disc Read & etc)

Yeah...sure..."what a mess" ~ :rollseyes with extreme /s

[N4BmpS]

My first play-through of U2 it froze up really bad one specific part; too the point I had to shut the system down, anyone had a similar problem? I had no problem with MW2 though.

[N4BmpS]

Wait wait wait how the f*** was that a disagree?? Maybe it's a misunderstanding cause I don't don't understand it. My U2 worked fine immediately after I turned the PS3 back on, is that what someone wanted to hear. I was looking for an answer not a disagree.

[darkequitus]

Disagree is all you get her if you don't follow the party line. Just waiting for mine now.

[bjornbear]

there's always a brain damaged child or two here clicking them (they think its a videogame ;))

[gtamike123]

My blu ray drive stopped reading game disks after I got unreal 3.
So I restarted the PS3 and loaded up a demo I download from PSN play it for abit then quit. Then blu ray drive worked after that.
(if stops working do what I said)

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

You mean people pretending to own a PS3??? i.e ChatBots&Micro$oft Employees!!! ;-D

I have had NOT 1 problem with my Firmware Updates so far??? ;)

+ According to n4g.com Members...i'm not allowed to get -

Mass Effect 2 (for my P.C) (Better Version)
+
Splinter Cell:Conviction (for my P.C) (Better Version)
+
Alan Wait (for my P.C) (Better Version)...

I am 'allowed' to buy PS3 ONLY Games tho???...Hmm... ;-D

[Wrathman]

did you just post in the wrong article?

no one believes u own a pc capable of playing these games.i know i dont.if any of them games were only on xbox u wud still post here sayin they werent worth owning.

[Dev8 ing]

Minimum PC specs: 1GB RAM, 1.8 GHz Core2Duo, 256Mb Graphics Card. You don't need the best computer out to play PC games.

[lethaldoseap]

Alan Wake, Mass Effect 2 and Splinter Cell reviews are in or something. How can you claim somethings better thats not even in the market yet??? Besides those games are exclusive to the 360 on the consoles. Bring up the fact that it is on pc is a weak argument. Since your a sony fanboy and all keep it in the consoles.

[awesomeperson]

Not meaning to go against you sir, but the production for Alan Wake on PC was stopped wasn't it, as the 360 version couldn't keep up with the PC, so therefore they had to drop the PC version or some shizz.

I'm sick of people saying CONSOLE exclusives aswell, you know an exclusive is an exclusive, I don't give a damn whether its a console exclusive, if I can play it on my PC and the 360 then it is not an exclusive.

I have a gaming computer that is updated every 6 months so don't give me crap about me not running games on it. I like my PS3 better though :)

[gtamike123]

restart the PS3 and load up a demo download from PSN play it for abit then quit. Then blu ray drive will work again.
worked for me somehow :)

[Lehman Brothers]

22% Blu Ray drive failures right now, lol.

[Marty8370]

U troll.

RROD at 54.4% says hi.

Jump Out, Play B3yond

[divideby0]

NO...Of my 7 close friends who live in the area NOONE has had a single problem with their launch PS3s..and 1 just bought a slim, the same.
If I had a problem, I would let all know about it for sure

[darkequitus]

Lucky you. Lets hop it stays that way.

[napoleon_ist]

we don't find much of them these days, is it because the xbox don't sell.

[Lehman Brothers]

The 360 sells as much as 12/24/36 months earlier.

Its just the PS3 which has now stronger sales.. you sound like a retard.

RROD is the past since the new Jasper modells, while PS3s failures just raise!

[BLADE_X8]

Not true at all. I the 1st quater is slow for gaming, but N4G has been reaching the last few weeks. The effort with these post is lacking...need something to really talk about. PS3 are not having Blu-Ray to firmware update failure issues. There is only one systems with high failure rates. (I know this company is working on the issue, but I just wanted to make sure everyone is on the same page.)

[Bell Boy]

I had ylod and uncharted was stuck in the drive, I am sure the firmware update at the time was being blamed for ps3 failures too. Was the my ylod caused by either of these factors highly unlikely.

Read the forums the other day and people who had ylod and were playing gow collection were blaming that for over stressing.

You see my theory we live in a blame culture were everything on someone or something else, in reality s**t really can happen and be no ones direct fault.

When I had my ylod I felt like there were thousands of others as I seemed to be on official forums more, and guess what people there go to vent, they really are a tiny minority. Since I repaired mine I have been playing games for 6 months with no time or need to post about ylod

[Morsambulant]

yet people are saying that this seems serious, or even to a major extent that the problem is an epidemic, im not defending Sony because they could do a lot better community wise, but they people on the forums whining about this have been idiots and at least half or more have shut off the update while its installing i.e moving around/replacing files, so therefore what else would you think would happen.

i had the blu-ray drive not reading, the xmb freezing, and even worse the system turning itself off, but i fixed it myself with the safe mode that the ps3 can go into, people just need to stop being lazy, the rrod can be fixed too

take it easy on the gaming
try to replace the solenoid
stop putting the 360 on the bed.

[Domer25]

Do not, i repeat do not keep any discs in the ps3 when turning off or on the system. Seems to alleviate the longevity issues with the drive. Most of the forums agree on this.

[divideby0]

I NEVER leave disks in the drives of any of our consoles or dvd players, except the cars CD changer...I always keep the ventilated and dusted....all of our consoles still work, going back to frigging Intellivsion. The only console that broke, is my 360 which I went through 3 of them. and as I previously commented all 7 friends who bought launch PS3s and one slim still work fine.. I guess you got to take for granted what you read on the net. Some just dont take care of their electronic gear and when it fails,,its always the gears fault..if mine dies I will let all know 4 sure

[cybervike]

I can tell you that I bought MW2 my brother this past Christmas and last week his drive just out of the blue could not read any disc. Only game he had been playing was MW2. He did have a replacement plan so he is getting a replacement PS3 but I can't help but think there is something weird going on. He did not have a launch PS3 but I do and I have not had any problems.

[mxrider2]

I gaurantee you all they have to do is send out another fw update to fix it its not a big deal like sending you whole xbox in and not getting it for a month to 2 months....

[Capdastaro]

You call people idiots, yet you cannot spell the simplest of words.

Also you will get your xbox back in about a week or 2...

[mac4u10]

Doooooom!!! give us a break

[EvilBlackCat]

Microsoft and Activision joined forces to Stop PS3!!!

Your PS3 will die of the XMW2 virus that react against the firmware updates of the PSN.

We must raise up against this conspiracy!!!

Call to all PSDF members! We must now invade the net and start bashing every Xbox360 and Moderwarfare article, news, blog, tweet, youtube video, etc, etc, etc. We have full control of N4G.com so lets implement the same tactic everywhere else!

[n4gnerd09]

hey is any1 havin trouble downloadin 3.15 cos it was takin me 2 hours to get halfway and then it just stopped so is anybody havin any problems or is it just me

[awesomeperson]

Strange I was watching mine as it goes reltively fast, about 1% every 5 seconds, so I was watching it and it went to 50% then suddenly restarted and just said "Installing content" then it finished and everything was good.

I was just like err ok...

[ILLINOIS]

NO. My blu ray works!

[jack who]

blank check

[Cajun Chicken]

My housemate's PS3 died today.

End of story.

[bobdog626]

A Old Lady came in my Store with a PS3 and said the Hard Drive in her PS3 was Fried.She called Sony repair shop and thay told her to buy another hard drive and put it in yourself you'll save money.People really think that Sony is soooooooooooooooooo Perfect but no company is Perfect to me.

[GamerPS360]

old lady with tech knowledge ??
I'd believe if she said that her PS3 is not working but hard drive fried ?? LOL

[ironmonkey]

really huge difference is i still have my first launch ps3, love it to death first LAUNCH!. people keep ur ps3's well ventilated dust builds up on the inside its a lasers worst enemy also buy an air can at ur local walmart and use. for ur 360 well..... i dont know lol it just dies and noone knows why even if the the 360 dont rrod anymore people still get the frequent unable to read disk due to weak laser does anyone get that?

[TABSF]

One of the first firmware updates bombed my Blu ray drive

Could do everything but play Disc based games or Movies based games

[lightningsax]

Wait, it couldn't play both disc-based games or movie-based games? So, all your Blu-Rays didn't work and neither did Watchmen: The End is Nigh?

[divideby0]

I would like to hear an explanation on how a firmware update can destroy a DVD drive....regardless of system....it just does not make sense, especially if its not across all of a specific model of a console.
there has to be another reason why a drive dies, vs a FW update.
If you really believe this wanna buy a bridge

[GamerPS360]

People manage to break stuff easily. I have PS3, PS2, 360, PSP, had Wii, N64, 4 computers whole set (monitors, mouse, keyboard), dvd player, crt TV, VHS player, Ipod, 2 surround sound system (sony and bose), printers, 2 CRT TV, 2 LCD TV.. well and few other electronic machines in my house.
Only the thing that had/has broke on me so far is one of my computer's motherboard has one bad RAM slot and I replaced mouse and keyboard (which were not broken).
Even my 15 yrs old Iron works :D

[TehCell]

Even if a firmware update caused your PS3 to YLOD, Sony still wouldnt care, unless you paid em 100 bucks for repair.

[flyinrhyno]

this was happening to me then i realized my daughter left some fingerprints on my disc. now it doesnt freeze at all. so maybe clean your disc and see if that helps.

[xx SgtP3pp3r xx]

Is this problem with the PS3. I've been led to believe its so reliable. Guess its karma :)

[Dorwrath]

The only issue I have with mine is a tempremental on/off touch switch.

[Whitefox789]

Can't comment on this till my 60 gb dies but it still going strong from the manufacture date March 2007.

[tatotiburon]

funny how the same people that believed the NXE update breaked tonz of xbox now refuse to believe that a firmware update breaks ps3's

[LostCypher11]

My 60 gig stopped reading Blu-rays about 2 weeks ago. I'm very sad about this. not sure weather to fix it or go buy a slim

[Shendow]

I haven't had any problems with a game with any of the Firmware updates, not even the games that are listed have act up on me.

Games freezing, I'm use to that happening, I have it happen on my Sega Genesis, so I don't see a game freeze up on you as a Firmware problem as much as to much is going on.

I found a cheat for Sonic 3/Knuckles that does two things to the Genesis, 1. freeze's the game or 2. It restarts the game.

Seeing how PS3 isn't build the same way and it has a menu for the system, it can't really restart the game, so it just freeze's up on you. But that is how I see it. ^-^ keep in mind even the Bluray players get a firmware update as well.