Ubisoft Cuts Sales Projections In Half For Red Steel 2

Ubisoft has set low sales expectations for its MotionPlus infused Wii game, Red Steel 2, by stating that initial expectations of 1 million sales for the title have now been cut in half to a meagre 500,000 units as the game prepares for launch in March.

[qface64]

crappy red steel 1 is gonna make the sequel sell even worse

i saw the first one for 8 dollars and i still didn't think it was worth it
played it at my friends house and it was horrible
the sequel just looks freaking great though

[hatchimatchi]

i couldn't agree more.

red steel was one of the worst games i've ever played. It was an unfinished mess of a game and it only sold well because it was a launch title.

The sequel looks cool but I don't plan on buying/playing it.

[ChickeyCantor]

For a first attempt i kinda enjoyed the game( yes lots of things were crap , but some gun action was fun)

[sinncross]

I wonder if we may see a PS3 port for the PS3 SPhere.

We already know that Ubisoft have some games geared foe the device which includes new and existing titles.

[JsonHenry]

Well, update the graphics and put it on the PS3 when it comes out with its motion controller and see if they can turn a dime on it then.

Maybe hardcore (or anyone in the mainstream outside of 10 year olds) really don't want to purchase a game on the Wii?

[Raoh]

up your development budget, move the series to the ps3..

problem solved

[Smacktard]

You're obviously completely missing the point of the game...

[Doc Sony]

Yeah bring it to PSN for 19,99 as soon as the PSwand gets released. I'll buy it.

[blind-reaper]

Why wasting my money in Red Steel when we can have Yakuza 3 and 4???

[ChickeyCantor]

Roah makes me laugh, Doc Sony makes me sad.

I dont mind this game being ported for the wand, but what makes you think the game will be better on PSN?
The Wand will do nothing less or more than the Wii-mote for this game
Keyword: THIS GAME.

[Seferoth75]

Yes put it on PS3 so it can bomb like Borderlands, Dragon Age, Bioshock,Blazblue, and so many other 3rd party games..

Let's not even get into how each of those games is leaps and bounds ahead of Redsteel when it comes to gameplay..

[sikbeta]

@sidar

Not better on PSN, just CHEAP on PSN, I'll probably pay like $9.99 for the game

@Seferoth75

Grow up pal, if games bomb doesn't matter to you cuz you don't have a PS3, so what's your point, focus on the games that bomb on your Console of choice instead of talk cr@p about something you don't care lol

[Seferoth75]

Grow up? Ahh someone let the truth hurt their little feelings? I'm 34 kid and everyday I have to see articles about games not selling on Wii when most of N4G and the media want to ignore them bombing on PS3.

You got a problem with it prove me wrong or stop crying to me about it.I am not a fanboy so I have no console of choice. I just know that Blazblue sold 270k on PS3 and NMH on Wii sold 470k. Which one have we seen hundreds of articles on it bombing though?

[ChickeyCantor]

And what made you think a production of 2 years + will be downed to 10 dollars?

Jilarious?

[Raoh]

i've played the game, red steel was the first game i bought for the wii. so when i say bring it to the ps3 for use with the wand its because of the accuracy and lag which was part of the main issue of the first one.

they also have an opportunity to do things graphics wise that cant be done on wii...

also cant believe anyone would compare bioshock or borderlands to red steel.. red steel is an awesome idea/genre.. it just didnt take off and since it didn't devs didn't pursue it.. but it is an amazing concept that needs attention/love from devs to make it better.. a better wand would hopefully do this..

i think some of you just live for rehashed madden like franchise only with no hopes of new genre's and tech or improvements, this is games like madden dont evolve..

the problem with the hardcore gamer and the wii is that games like red steel didnt work as we had hoped.. now upgrade a game like red steel to play say like that sony wand demo where you had the sword and shield and/or the bow and arrow.. and you might have something..

could also work for natal.. push hand straight for moving forward, pull hand back to stop, wave hand diagonally from left to right to strike with sword (insert optional motions for sword strikes), wave hand diagonally from right to left to use gun (insert motions for shooting), bring up two fist to the chest to activate hand to hand combat (insert motions for hand to hand combat)

this plust a better wiimote (and dont fool yourselves, natal will be getting controllers, tons of them, they just havent been announced yet, trust a wheel for racing, gloves for boxing, etc and some with enhanced tracking ability) can usher in a red steel genre better than it was done on the wii....

its not about being a fanboy you haters, its about elevating gaming and trying out new genre's and games..

raving rabbids in HD with better accuracy would be awesome also

www.hihater.com

[timmyrulz]

Why is this, is it a ps3 exclusive?

[Seferoth75]

I think they finally understand that they have ruined their names with Wii owners and the extreme amount of garbage they have put out. Capcom has as well sadly.

It's too bad too because a whole generation of young gamers will grow up thinking any game from either company must be bad and they will look to other developers for their games.

[DarkBlood]

oh it comes in march ok then that saves me some money for the huge feburary purchases of games lol

[SpoonyRedMage]

It all depends on how you're going to support it Ubisoft. This indicates to me that there won't be an ad campaign for it, in which case it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The more "casual-core"(ie. people who only play Halo, MW2, GTA and Madden) most likely don't even know this game exists.

[pcz]

I'm always right about these things. I did warn people conduit would be crap, look how that turned out.

[Kakihara]

how do these types of games even work?

I love the idea of swordfighting with a motion controller and after seeing the Sony wand demo I'm looking forward to games like that on the PS3. The one thing I don't understand though is when you're swordfighting and your blade is blocked... then what??
Your motion controller obviously won't stop dead in mid air as if it's just clashed against another weapon so how the hell do they get swordfighting to work on the thing?

[MK_Red]

I still think they should have made it an M rated game for PS3 and 360. The fun of sword slashing in first person is in the cutting and splashing like Samurai and some 70s-80's R rated movies which you can't have with a T rating.

[reaferfore20]

Makes me think of "Shadow Warrior". The sword was the main thing that made me get that game.

[SpoonyRedMage]

A lot the great Jidai Geki and Western films of the 60s(and earlier) weren't bloody at all, which is their main inspiration.

Plus the appeal of the game is that you hold the sword, not your character. It wouldn't work on the 360.

[MK_Red]

I've only played a censored version of "Shadow Warrior" :(

As for those movies not being bloody, I don't know which ones you're talking about (Don't know names) but anything I've seen had crazy amounts of blood or at least some full cuts.

[reaferfore20]

Censored version!? Weak... that game's really not even worth playing if it's censored. Just like Duke Nukem, the fun was in the violence and strippers :)

[tunaks1]

game looks amazing, day one for me.
I don't see the hardcorez! on PS360 buying this game though.

Lets see their reaction:
Wait no blood? This sh!ts Casual!!!!!!!! goes back to playing MW2
yup, thats about right

the game looks awesome,it shows that they put much more effort then the first. I've seen the hands on, interviews, gameplay vids and this game looks great.

and to all everybody still hung up about the first one sucking, remeber Killzone 1?
exactly

[jackburton]

hi just a point ! i played the 1st killzone 3 months before the release of the second and i was great .. at least for me and on topic.. Red steel 2 should be fun ;)

[tunaks1]

not hitting on Killzone 1, just saying that if people hated the first game don't dismiss the sequel.

I still have my copy of killzone 1 :P

[bigjclassic]

Just like:
Resident Evil: DC
Silent Hill: SM
Dead Space Extraction
Muramasa

and other solid Wii titles that have no type of Media push behind them. Oh well, when will devs learn that on the Wii you have to promote like your running for office. (i.e. Obama)

[lizard81288]

port all the bad wii games onto the PS3 and they will sell better?

1st off, people will complain its not in HD and that will be the end of it.

[OpenGL]

They will be in HD on the PS3 and 360. Wii ports will still look terrible in comparison to games like Gears 2, Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, and Alan Wake, as the Wii does not have programmable shaders. None of these potential Wii ports were designed to take advantage of the hardware features of the HD twins since the Wii doesn't have them.

So in a sense you are right; people will likely not want these games because they will be graphically inferior to 95% of the current PS3 and 360 library.

A lot of the graphical effects PS3 and 360 games use simply aren't possible at any level on the Wii. There's a reason the HD consoles have better looking games and it isn't just the higher resolution.

I would not expect these Wii ports to sell very well on the 360 or PS3, but it's likely that won't matter too much since their budgets will probably be very low.

[SpoonyRedMage]

You're right that the Wii can't do everything the PS3 and 360 can but it's factually incorrect to say it can't have programmeable shaders because the Wii actually has a custom shader unit(as did the Gamecube) which means it's capable of doing some pretty heave shading stuff.

In fact I think Silent Hill: Shattered Memories is a recent example of a shader heavy Wii game but I'm no expert on programming so I dunno.

Also, the cost of up-porting to the HD consoles would actually greatly increase the cost of the games as just slapping 720p on a Wii game won't make it look up to par with PS3 and 360 games. To make it on-par with the HD consoles games it would require the recreation of assets. The creation of HD assets is what makes PS3/360 games cost so much. A recent study said average multiplatform development costs $28 million whilst the most expensive 3rd Party Wii game is Red Steel which cost 10m.

You're either going to have a game that looks near identical to the Wii version and nowhere close to the games you listed(in which case what's the point of buying them on the Ps3/360 instead of Wii) or they are costly up-ports in which case there's a risk of losing even more money.

NMH: Paradise is going to be the main example and it's an example of the former. NMH2 looks better graphically so we'll see how it's recieved by the HD audience, especially in reviews considering it's flaws.

[OpenGL]

Wii developers could certainly make better looking Wii games if they took advantage of TEV (which they also largely ignored on the Gamecube) but don't be fooled into thinking it'll make Wii graphics equal to what the PS3 and 360 are capable of. Even when compared to its contemporaries Flipper was not as feature rich as its Nvidia competition.

We've seen some developers take advantage of TEV such as High Voltage Software with The Conduit, and it still looked like an Xbox or PS2 game for the most part. Some Wii games can look great like Super Mario Galaxy, but the Wii overall still has some pretty severe hardware limitations in comparison to its competition.

[SpoonyRedMage]

Oh yes, you're certainly right. I'm not debating that the Wii is as powerful as the 360 and PS3 but I'd say shaders isn't what's holding it back.

As you said The Conduit did make excellent use but it wasn't backed up with art direction, that's what made it look outdated. Rogue Squadron on the Gamecube for instance I think looks stunning even by PS3 and 360 standards and that's because the tech was backed up with art direction. It's a shame more developers didn't put in the effort that Factor 5 did... High Voltage Software certainly tried though.

[EvilTwin]

As others have said...this is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

"Eh, we'll cut our original run of them and not market it worth crap."

If this is Ubi's plan for "Nintendo-like quality"...

[keysy420]

cant wait

[tunaks1]

this,NMH2, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, MH3, and grinder all look great

[Enigma_2099]

... they're ready to back Natal 100%... which means they'll be actually interested in putting some EFFORT into those games.

*facepalm*

[lizard81288]

Rayman Raving Rabbids 2: Natal edition
or
Imagine Teacher: School Trip
or
Just Dance
or
Your Shape
or
My Fitness Coach
or
...well, you get the picture...

[fatstarr]

500k is alot....

try getting 500k anything see how hard it is.

i think they should cut it to 250k thats a realistic number