Super Stardust 3D: 720p,120fps confirmed

Digital Foundry writes:
"Last Saturday, Digital Foundry took a look at the 3D gaming potential soon to be unlocked by a new system upgrade for the PlayStation 3. We talked about what was out there already, discussed Ubisoft's Avatar and the performance levels of current 3D titles, and suggested that Sony was planning something more technologically advanced than what we've seen in the current implementations of 3D games - something that justified the upcoming firmware upgrade.

Our theory? It made sense that the PS3 upgrade would facilitate support for the new 3D protocols in the HDMI 1.4 standard, specifically the provision for full resolution 3D - basically a double-height, or double-width framebuffer. Thanks to an assist from SCEE, Digital Foundry had the chance to pose a few questions to the Housemarque Super Stardust HD tech team: engine lead Seppo Halonen and creative director Harri Tikkanen."

[cliffbo]

can it get any better for Sony this year. the Wand, 3D gaming and 3D films, GOW3, Heavy Rain and GT5!!! watch out America, Sony are about to turn you into the next Europe and Europe into the next Japan

[Daver]

They will be busy in 2010 thats for sure lol

[vhero]

Super stardust really was the best game of its kind and this is definitely the logical step up.

[The Meerkat]

They should call it Super Stardust Seizure.

[Digital-_-Smoke]

120 fps gaming only on trey

[raztad]

120 fps and 4D (=3D stereoscopic?) were Sir Karutagi goals for the PS3. They are almost here.

From the article:

"We're talking about something not just based on low-resolution buffers as in Invincible Tiger and Avatar, but something new, exciting and a whole lot more challenging to achieve: a true technical leap, and a definite unique selling point for the Sony platform."

[Redempteur]

"We render two full-resolution 720p frames with identical content compared to standard mode. Doubling the rendering is quite a challenge in itself to begin with, and we are happy with current 720p 60FPS stereo mode."

8.3ms to render a framme

ho ho ho ( that's awesome )

[Ju]

I like how they solved this. Quote:

"I solved the issue by moving vertex processing from GPU to SPU and merging as many objects as possible to one drawcall."

So, they combine polys with the SPU to just draw a couple instead of many. Requires quite some setup to be able to do that before the rasterizing stage. More and more creative ideas to use the SPUs are popping up lately.

[gokuss122002]

"Uncharted 3 in 3D" *bodies dropping like dominoes*

*on topic*
this is cool

[i_am_interested]

where are the people who said sony was bluffing with its 120fps claim?

it seems like every month more people eat crow

[Ju]

I'm curious. Is there actually a mode which support 720p@120Hz on the HDMI protocol (or even composite) ? If so, they could really run SDHD @ 120 for the 2D mode...But I think there is no signal going beyond 60Hz (except PC monitors).

[i_am_interested]

thats what all these new shutter based 3d tvs coming out are, theyre tvs that refresh at 120fps but more importantly can accept a 120hz(fps) source and actually display all 120hz(fps) at 120fps, its most likely that youll need some kind of high speed hdmi 1.3 cable though

[SuperStrokey1123]

SO if you have a 120hz or better TV you can use the new 3d feature (with the glasses of course)? Or do you need something additional hardware wise?

[i_am_interested]

if you have the tv, the glasses, and the ps3 then youre all set, all thats needed is for the ps3 to receive the necessary firmware update

but youre tv has to be able to accept 120hz source and actually display all 120 fps, or just have a recently released 3d capable tv like those by samsung, mitsubishi, and a few others

a lot of tvs that came out a few years ago were 120hz but they couldnt accept all 120hz from a source, they maxed out at 60hz and just duplicated frames

[SuperStrokey1123]

I have a Song 46W4100, will that work with this? ITs a 120hz TV but im not sure abotu 120hz inputs.

[Socomer 1979]

That would make me supremely jealous of those rat bastards.

[Socomer 1979]

Betcha youre drooling right now.
Hows it feel to be irrelevant in 2010 again?

[talltony]

NICE!

[Shadow Man]

Super Startdust runs in 120fps, so you will need a 120Hz HDTelevision to enjoy 120pfs????

[Mo0eY]

120FPS, only possible and only on the PS3.

Xbox 360, last gen. technology, 30FPS with 620p. :---(

[Shadow Man]

30FPS with 620p=GTAIV PS3 version, while the 360 version ran @ 720p with AA.

PS:Bayonetta :D

[iron_sheik]

ps3 supports hdmi 1.3 and 1.4
most tvs that you buy out there are 120 hertz/fps so yes you can enjoy games at 12 hertz

too bad x360 doesnt even support 60 fps let alone 120

@shadowman

mlb 09,10,rr7 ran at1080p/60f on ps3. x360 wont even have a 1080pgame
tomb raider,ninja gaiden 2 ran at 500p on x360 and 720p on PS3 :)

[U-asked-for-it]

how silly of you ...
using multi-plats to describe the ps3

[jack who]

yet again mr know it all iron_sheik

360 did 1080p a year before the ps3 came out

[sajj316]

Ken K redeemed! REDEEMED!!!!!!!!

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Not to rain on your parade guys...

...but 120 fps isn't exactly an achievement.

Twisted Metal: Black ran at 120 fps and Jaffe said that was probably a little TOO fast. People couldn't keep up with it.

Amazing game though. : )

It's probably necessary for 3D gaming though. 60 frames per eye.

[Fishy Fingers]

TM ran at 120FPS? Completely pointless, seeing at the time no one had a TV that could display it.

[SuperStrokey1123]

Dont suppose you have something to back this up do you?

[princejb134]

well i have one eye

[MaximusPrime]

wow. so Super Stardust gone 3D? That is awesome.

its like 3D asteroid but miles better

[PirateThom]

Ken knew.

People doubted.

PS Triple delivered.

[Mo0eY]

Never question our mighty lord, Sir Ken. Never doubt the divine holy, the PS3. Be faithful, and They will deliver.

Amen.

[NateNater]

Mooey you make me laugh. + Bubbles

[Sevir04]

The man is a visionary and a total genius, Ken aint so crazy Now is he?

120fps and 4d = 3d through HDMI... Thats just amazing, 60fps in each eye, thats double rendering essencially. Great stuff, 3D gaming at 120fps... Boyah!!! the PS3 delivers yet again, and the xbox fannies all eat crows. 2008 was the begining of the end for those doubtful gamers. bluray won and since then games and announcments just kept killing them on the inside.. now this..

PS3, it only does everything... that Ken said it would!

[gamingisnotacrime]

Yes the PS3 is just amazing, but why bring all that 360 bashing
lol

[evilmonkey501]

i wanna know...whats on your cool aid? lol

[saint_john_paul_ii]

wow. Crazy Ken should be praised and the doubters should be crucified.

[gamingisnotacrime]

I hope so.

HHG talk about this some months ago, nice going

[thehitman]

about all this 3D stuff is that the TVs can turn ANYTHING into 3D w/ the glasses, movies/games etc. BUT if you want higher resolutions w/ the 3D you need something called a PS3 ^^.

[Ju]

I don't think it works with non 3D TVs. Not sure why. I mean we have old school DVDs running movies in 3D with glasses (but not really with the same effect).

Avatar might be a sign how this might work. It has settings for a couple of different 3D modes (line interlace, half frame, Real3D etc). But all of those modes require a TV which supports one of them. Mine does not, so no 3D at all (not even a blurry picture).

[thehitman]

hmmm 3d.....
uh oh hearing a lot of faces hitting the tables....

[jack who]

i can poo and make it run @ 120fps too

so wats the big deal?

[iron_sheik]

since it doesnt even support hdmi1.3

yea ur x360 is a poo actually

EDIT:
x360has 1080p games???
what ae they?maybe in ur fanboy dreams
x360barely supports 720p let alone 1080p native.add some systembandwidth to x360 so that it can REALLY do 1080p native

[jack who]

since you know it all you mind telling me what HDMI has too do with frame count?

[byeGollum]

didnt HipHopGamer say somthing bout this earlier, you guyz didnt waste time to assault him verbally, now that its been confirmed, "ps3 is the almighty", y'all jumping around like headless chickens lol.

[SuperStrokey1123]

its hhg though... most of his stuff is crazy so therefore it needs to be taken with a grain of salt

[Evocation]

Games using the wands and 3d if done right would be very interesting. could make it minus physical interaction really feel like you could touch the game?

[i_am_interested]

dont forget the voice recognition

[-MD-]

120 fps? Why?

[Bumpmapping]

Because PS3 slaughters the Flopbox360 graphically,so cry some more :*(

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

Because in order to achieve 3D the game has to run at 120fps and by the way nearly everyone has a 120Hz capable HDTV, but the thing is this new version of SSHD requires a 120Hz 3d capable HDTV which is why it's will be launching most likely when the PS3 goes 3D in the summer (best time to go 3D)

[-MD-]

Framerate literally has nothing to do with graphics.

Umad bro? Umad your favorite game was 9 hours long bro? Cheer up man!

[jalen247]

Amazing. Sony never fails to astound. My PS3 was worth all the money I paid for it.

[hoops]

120FPS should be the target render for 3D games as it cuts the frame rates in half.
So any game normally running under 50fps and if in 3D will be under 25FPS.

[NateCole]

SuperStarDust will be excellent in 3d.