Why does PS3 continue to receive shoddy ports?

Here we are, three years after the release of the Playstation 3, and multi-platform games are continuing to receive shoddy ports. The answer is not because developers can't make titles better on the Playstation 3, but it is because developers won't put the effort into it.

[FiftyFourPointTwo]

Because of lazy devs.

/end discussion

[avengers1978]

Just like with Valve, they don't want to put in the effort. Plus alot of games are still made with the 360 as the lead design, so of course games are slightly better when they are made with that tech in mind. Bayonette did give it's game over to sony to let them help fix problems before the release, so maybe it will be better. There is no question that if devs put the effort into the PS3 they can obtain greatness, just look at what Gurellia games and Naughty Dog, and sucker punch have done with it.

[jcgamer]

that's for DAMN SURE!

lol :)

[Shadow Man]

on the ps3 version if Droids don't buy games?

[jcgamer]

Lime green BOTS buy everything! Shoddy games, shoddy hardware, and shoddy accessories...and Greenturd is your master! Bow down!

lol

[PLAYstar]

The droids don't buy games, yet they're still getting more exclusives each year. Whereby the bots buy games, and wasn't given an option but to stick their rusted metal arse in a single game for a millennium.. Poor thing, poor thing .... poor thing ...

[FiftyFourPointTwo]

@Shadow Woman

Yeah, PS3 owners dont buy games thats why FFXIII in Japan sold at least 1.5 million copies in just one week. Stop owning yourself.

[Man_of_the_year]

Way to go!! You can put that up there with MGS4 sales. Now what about the other 298 games in the PS3 library?

Anyways, it's not about Lazy Dev's. That's just a Sony Fanboy excuse. It's about having a fixed budget. believe it or not, games cost money to make, most Sony Fanboys may not know this since still recieving allowances from their parents, they are unaware of the value of money. Resources equal money, time and employee's. The PS3 is harder to Dev for, and thus makes developers choose to build on a PC, then PORT to 360 then port to PS3. These devs just don't have the time or money to spend years perfecting a 360 port to the PS3. They do the best they can with what resources they have available to them.

wow...Sony fanboys really are the most ignorant fanboys of any console. Just down right dumb as hell.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Portstation 3 it wouldn't have mattered anyway none of you would have bought it even if the port was good.

[The Iron Sheik]

As usual you are wrong. I have been keeing an eye on this game since I first saw it over a year ago. I was planning to buy it day 1 but since Platinum games are lazy and didn't bother to make the PS3 version equal. I will either rent it or buy it used when it is cheap.

And you think bots will buy this game? Even with the great reviews, it's Japanese its not a shooter and there is no multiplayer. That usually spells disaster on the 360.

[Aquarius]

Man_of_the_year a.k.a TheTruth2009, you just owned yourself MEGAHARD.

What about the other 298 games in the 360 library? Is the average really 5MILL+?
_____________________________ _

We have:

Resistance
Motorstorm
MGS4
Uncharted 2
FFXIII
GT5P

all you have is GAILO, Glitches of War, medicore-shooters and RPG flops, LMFAO!!!!!

[MastaMold]

cause people are afraid of what they don't understand,

PS3 is the true next-gen system

[4point7BillionLoss]

it's because devs need much more Time and investment to make a PS3 game look anything as good as an xbox game, and to make it look better they need 10 times more developers and about 2 years longer ...

That's the real reason ... deny it you stupid yellow teeth droids ....

[Pumbli]

4point7BillionLoss - What's with you and bad teeth? You think that's a good insult? You really think someone's gonna read your post and go "OMGWTFBBQ!?!? HE SAID I HAVE YELLOW TEETH, NOW I'M SO ANGRY!!!!"?

I doubt it.

Also, Man_of_the_year you are an idiotic bot, and worse then most other bots out there since you try so hard to troll and still you fail at it.

[4point7BillionLoss]

News4PS3Bloggers adverts get loads of hits from you studid droids

[Pumbli]

4point7BillionLoss - Really? That's the best comeback you could come up with? I mean... Wow. My 1 year old uncle has said more insulting things to me.

Now concerning your grammar, I really hope you're not from an English speaking country, if you are I think you're 14 years old at most.

Anyways, about my teeth, last time I knew (which was about 2 weeks ago) they were in perfect condition. You should speak to my dentist if you don't believe me, should I give you his number?

[ghostface]

If ur going to make a Ps3 game that doesn't run as good as the 360 counter part, you matter well make it exclusive.

[Cold 2000]

Nah that would be radical.

That would turn 98% of multiplats into 360 exclusives.

But in Bayonetta's case, when the port is just pure crap, I agree with you, better just make it a 360 exclusive.

[bjornbear]

98% exclusives? really? =P

you kids make me laugh so hard.

But by all means, go on, have fun =)

[raztad]

@Cold

The funny thing is that you need special equipment to distinguish the superior port, so your statement is not accurate in any way.

Regarding Bayonetta, it's Platinum fault (as was Valves with the Orange Box) the crappy port. Considering Platinum is a Japanese developer it would make sense they tried to get, first a foremost, a PS3 game running, because the PS3 is way beyond the xbox over that didnt happen, and the result shows.

They couldnt afford to drop the big japanese market, so a xbox port is out of question.

[Pennywise]

Platinum games... more like Bronze games.

[Cajun Chicken]

Because Platinum games didn't actually make the PS3 version, it was Sega. Overall, blame Platinum for being so stupid to not making the PS3 version which would actually sell more in it's homeland on this one.

[Information Minister]

In the case of Bayonetta, the PS3 version was clearly rushed and that's why it's a "shoddy port". Platinum Games completed development on the 360 and only then handed the game over to SEGA which had a very limited period of time before the established release date to port the game. I think that most of Bayonetta's issues could have been fixed if it had been delayed on the PS3. But the truth is that even so, the game would probably still be inferior on the PS3, seeing as it was handled by a different team.

[Gothdom]

The more I hear about this game, the more I feel that it was designed to be 360 exclusive, but seeing as it's near-death for the 360 in japan at the moment, they rushed for a ps3 port...

[fishd]

I might end up buying a 360 for Bayonetta.

[Cold 2000]

Great!! On top of that you'll get to play Mass Effect 2, Conviction, Alan Wake, Crackdown 2, Reach and Fable 3 all on your LCD Screen on your comfy couch :)

[fishd]

Nah I will play ME2 and AW on PC,will get Fable3 tho,as for Reach and SC and C2...couldn't care less

[redsquad]

Some developers would rather hammer a square peg into a round hole than craft a new, quality peg that fitted properly.

Too lazy? Not enough money? No pride?
Whatever the excuse, I don't consider it justified anymore.

[The Lazy One]

that peg is made of diamond and took almost half a decade to craft and the "square hole" is actually a jagged unfamiliar hole.

It really isn't simple to rewrite an entire codebase on limited time and resources.

Of course I'm sure if you think you can do it better you could email sega asking for a job and in 25 years when your flawless PS3 version of boyonetta comes out you can feel like you really accomplished something.

[Jaces]

And yet every other multiplat looks on par compared to the 360 version...it's nice to know they'd rather push out a shoddy port then take the time to polish it up.

Who said they had limited resources? Times no issue, just delay it for the PS3 owners, we already have too many games coming out in the first quarter of 2010 anyway. But whatever, if they feel it's ok to make one version less than it's 360 counterpart then go for it, the most they'll get out of me is a rent or a purchase later on down the road after a good couple of price drops.

Don't act all righteous, it's pathetic. If the 360 were the one to get a crap port you fanboys would be all over it.

And just for the heck of it, I own both a 360 and PS3. Sure I could buy it for 360 but I keep it to a minimum with only exclusives, and for good reason. Thanks.

[redsquad]

Then the people responsible shouldn't be allowed to work on a platform they don't understand then, should they?

As for you rather clichéd suggestion that I 'do it myself'... I don't presume to say that I'm qualified, whereas the people resonsible for the Bayonetta port are being paid for what they do and are, supposedly, 'qualified'. Either way, my three original suggestions stand: Too lazy - Not enough money - No pride. Do the job your paid for or get out, same with any job.

[The Lazy One]

ok. I will give a better metaphor in a moment. What is your profession? I imagine if someone asked you to clean 300 bathrooms in 15 minutes most people wouldn't call your work unacceptable when all the bathrooms are clean, but the ceilings of two of them were a little dusty.

Bayonetta is playable on both platforms. The PS3 version has a little screen tearing as far as I've heard, but it's still a great game on both platforms. ENDOF. You can whine all you want, but both games work, and it's insulting to call them too lazy or say they have no pride because they probably put in more hours in a month than you'll put in over a season.

People talk about porting like it's easy. It is not at all. Some bugs just can't be fixed, so the features that depend on them have to be scrapped. DEAL. Just because some people make wonderful ports doesn't mean everyone can. Some people can run 4 minute miles? Why can't you run a 4 minute mile?

[NYC_Gamer]

Devs need to step their game up asap...

[A LIVING LEGEND]

Strange,really.

[tdrules]

dont you think its completely illogical for developers to put in 3 times the work coding on the PS3 for the same result on 360.
if you disagree, at least reply and say so, cos i dont know a single reason, hence why I stick with PS3 exclusives nowadays

[Redempteur]

It's not more work as long as you start devellopping FROM the start on both consoles ..

See burnout paradise , batman Arkham that are perfectly fine multiplat games and the devs didnot spend that much more time on either console

it's called management !

[Nicaragua]

To say is requires 3 time the amount of work is incorrect. It requires no more or no less work as long as you are familiar with the PS3 architecture. Studios who hire dedicated PS3 programmers will produce better quality PS3 games, studios that dont will produce shoddy ports and lose out on PS3 sales.

[nycredude]

Dude the architecture of the Ps3 is very similar to the Ps2. Remember the same thing was said about the Ps2 inthe first couple of years. Look how that ended. oh it hasn't yet.

[mrmikew2018]

I'm a little confuse with your statement, so your basically ok with the fact that these developers give shoddy ports to their ps3 customers? If your a third party developer you should learn how to code on whatever platform that you're developing on. Nobody what to hear how hard is develop on what system, they should've made the game exclusive.

[Consoldtobots]

when the 360 sells like aids infected monkey turd in japan your questions seems kinda silly.

easy platform = gimped

easy platform = maxed out within 2 years of release

easy platform = dead platform

easy dead platform = 360

funny how math works lol

[mfwahwah]

What?

Maybe you should read a page out of Criterion's book:

"development on the PS3 has made for a better 360 game"

http://www.xboxer.tv/2007/1...

See? Not EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPER sucks at making PS3 games and would need to toil away for months to get a 360 equivalent product. It's entirely possible to EFFICIENTLY make a solid PS3 game.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

to be a multiconsole owner!

[gamer0123456]

HELLLS TO THE YEAHHHSSS

[bjornbear]

and fanboys are the one people that actually give a damn about "port" quality.

single console gamers of either console could really care less, so as long as the game isn't broken.

this is just a big fanboy sausage fest =P

[edoman20]

yeah in my country the money fly so i will cath a litte and buy and x360

Its perfect to be a multiconsole owner

[PISSIO]

Bicoz the ps3 is the mosz powerfull hardwareeezzzzz

MEH.

[maniacmayhem]

Shoddy how? The game looked great on the PS3. Are we seriously comparing pixel by pixel for each game. Will a PS3 owner even notice?

I don't care, this is a great game and I will have it regardless.

[gamer0123456]

thats why my 360 ALWAYS gets the Multiplatform.

my ps3 is just a blu-ray and exclusives....just looking forward to gow 3 and gt5 after waiting so long ugghhh......

I CANT WAIT TO PAY FOR CROSS CHAT PSN YAYYYYYYYY!!!! j/k /s

[crazyturkey]

The games don't sell as well as they do on the 360......They need to invest more $$$$ on resources for the PS3 versions to make the games better, yet they make less money from the sales....From a business point of view, as of now, is not good to invest so much cash on the PS3 ports....I know it's sad, but until all of us PS3 owners buy at least the same amount of games as 360 owners do we won't be treated equally.

[Homicide]

Blame Sony for creating a hard and expensive to develop console. Platinum Games are somewhat of a small company, and this is their first time working with the HD consoles.

[Jaces]

Blame Platinum Games for not taking the time to get to know the PS3. It's something that takes a little bit of learning but once you get your shoe in the door, your good to go.

Remember all those great multiplats that have been made in this past year and how awesome they looked?

Obviously it's a difficult system to develop for. /s

There's no reason for them not to learn the PS3, it's going to be around for a long time so why not start now...or should we just learn to accept crap ports for years to come from them?

[Nicaragua]

If the price to pay for all the exclusives on the "hard and expensive to develop console" is that Bayonetta dosnt run as well then big deal - Bayonetta can kiss my peachy ass gnom gnom gnom.

[cereal_killa]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Rock Steady a small company as well and is it not there first time working on the HD consoles well funny they did an awesome job with there first game so whats PG excuse sorry but that excuse is old and is no longer valid.

[Homicide]

Okay, okay. I forgot to mention that they released 3 games in 2009 (all of them got positive reviews), and they're currently working on another game. PG only consists of 80 people.

[BlackTar187]

Do you work? I hope so and at your job on your first day did you know how to do the job granted its a new job and not the same exact job at a differnt business. But im pretty sure when you walked thru that door you went into training once you got out of that training you were held accountable for you action if they did not meet the criteria in which you were trained on correct.

Now bear with me as a 3rd party developer unless you go exclusive part of your job before excepting is being competent enough to fulfill what you said you could do correct? If you sign up to be a Engineer at a job and dont know who to work around in a server what good are you your fired you pretty much lied just to get the paycheck and it was your last as soon as they found out you weren't competent correct? So by saying yes we can do a Multi Plat game then from a business standpoint you would expect said company to be compentant in what they say and trust they know how to achieve the goal they set for themselves correct? So when they fall flat and then start complaining(Not sure they did ) and say stuff like we need help please help isnt it then the party who accepted the job at fault for poor workmanship is this not how it works.

I mean there small company and they did this and this that is all 100% irrelevant and should have no deeming factors on the above question you accept the job and if you cant complete or do the job in its entirely you cannot start making excuses I work in a corporate world and if someone ever did that they would be fired and the project would be put on hold . Its just unacceptable and from people blaming anyone but the dev. is a sad person who is more interested in justifying there belief then looking at it from a business standpoint and consumer standpoint. That standpoint being that if you accept a job you need to be qualified correct and if you accepted a job in a tough field then its not the fields fault its your for not being prepared or haveing enough training before getting in over your head. The you is the developer obv. : )I understand you want to blame everyone bu the dev because that would make SONY or XBOX not look as bad its understandable in the world of hormonally fanboys that we exist in right now.

To the people syaing sony fault fro making it hard .

WHY IS THAT A PROBLEM YOU WANT ALL YOUR GAMES TO BE THE SAME AND NEVER IMPROVE? To me its very important at the end of ps2 lifecycle to compare the first games and think man those games look like ps1 games compared to GOW2 i want that same feeling on ps3 or xbox for that matter am i gonna get it?

[eagle21]

Better than shoddy DLC exclusives. :)

[Rowsdower]

a gamer cannot live on exclusives alone

[DelbertGrady]

Keep buying exclusives only and the PS3 soon won't have any 3rd party support left at all. Same fate as the Dreamcast met before it went under.

[sikbeta]

WTH are you talking about, like if PS3 owners always buy only exclusives now

So tell me why xboyz always start with same crap:

"-but teh PS3 exclusives don't sell like teh Halo"

Maybe is because PS3 owners don't get stuck with a bunch of games and by that they support all kind of games

Stop talking cr@p if you don't know about the situation

[Karooo]

There is a trade-off between performance and versatility, since PS3's Cell processor allows more features -- better physics, more complex graphical processing, lighting or sound -- there is inevitably going to be more cost in supporting those extra features. It's not that PS3 is harder to write for, it's just that you can do more with it. If a game starts life on PS3, then man-hours per feature or costs related to asset production are comparable with industry norms.

If your game starts on Xbox 360 you will have to re-engineer aspects of the game to run properly on PS3. This means additional effort. Some developers have been complaining about this, but I don't believe we can solve that. The 360 is a different machine with good, but lower powered hardware in a different architecture. Developers have to view them as two different machines not as a common platform.

Do it like EA make games on PS3 first then port to 360.

[DelbertGrady]

It's ALL to do with the developers and NOTHING to do with the hardware.

[sikbeta]

So, if you can't deal with the hardware you don't do anything, like how to develop for it, right?

OK, that's the way to go, if Devs don't want to make money with a good game and just make a crappy port hoping for some money is right then

You know this is stupid

[solidjun5]

Cause Batman AA was just a shoddy port. Same goes for Assassins Creed 2. (rolls eyes)

This isn't 2007.

[BlackTar187]

you know how to fully and competently fulfill that job. I ll keep this in mind its a good thing like stated above a bad carpenter always blames his tools the good ones let the work speak for itself.

SODA you do understand how ridiculous it sounds right ? to blame a tool(ps3) for the messed up job right?

When you hire a contractor do you not expect him to be fully competent in his duties? (Serious question) now if he totally F's up your house etc. do you give him a free ride and say hey i know my house can be tuff to work on or man i know thats a weird tape measure no problem just keep the money we will figure it out on our end but don't worry the missing bolts that will cause my house to collapse are totally not your fault i mean you cant be expected to know how to do your job before you accept it correct?

[Aceluffy]

Your logic and analogy is spot on and irefutable but I'm afarid it will fall on deaf ears when addressing fanboys. Bubs up for the good thinking before posting.
On topic, I'm one of those believers that if you want to say or do something and really want to be heard, you do it the most effective way, with your WALLET. Just don't buy this game if you think this isn't any good. Judging from the demo, it's just another action game with very lightweight even borderline ridiculous story.
Being multiplatform automatically knock down 1 point in my opinion, because it was built with DVD9 or 360's limitation. So either the length of the game or the technical stuff will be compromised or very limited, that's why I guess I'm fine with any multiplat that will have more than 1 DVD on the 360 version, for example FFXIII and Rage.
Technology is advancing, so must the developers and all of us.

[DelbertGrady]

Ever heard of developing tools? MS are miles ahead of Sony in that department. Makes it easier for the "contractor" to do a great job you know.

[N4g_null]

You are ignoring that SONY provides HELP to 1st developers so that only their games will look better on their system in comparison to the 3rd party games.

Or better yet you are ignoring that mostly big publishers are not effected by this added SONY tax for development. You already have to pay for blu ray media and their dev tools then you have to hire another programmer just to get the code right it seems.

You do see this is a one way street do you not. The carpenter will not blame his tools and he is not. He will simply go to the place where his tools work the best.

SONY is cannibalizing their third party and turning PS3 owners into Hardcore SONY 1st party fans while pushing away growth. With out the 3rd party almost any console is dead. It is really simple actually for SONY.... release the tools that your 1st party is using or developing or get left by the uninspired xbox 360.

Your analogy only works for contractor guy... Game development is way beyond remedial contractor management. If you keep blaming the 3rd parties then you will see them eventually leave since the PS3 owners is turning out to be too hostile to please.

"When you hire a contractor do you not expect him to be fully competent in his duties? (Serious question) now if he totally F's up your house etc. do you give him a free ride and say hey i know my house can be tuff to work on or man i know thats a weird tape measure no problem just keep the money we will figure it out on our end but don't worry the missing bolts that will cause my house to collapse are totally not your fault i mean you cant be expected to know how to do your job before you accept it correct?"

Also missing bolts would imply the game is crashing which it is not. It simply doesn't out put the same quality as the xbox version.

Now if your house was condemned a long time ago and you want a contractor to put in a brand new 20,000 chandelier yet your roof can not support it then I'm sure he got to to wave his responsibility of any damages so he could go and make some money. If you notice SONY is not suing any one over bad ports are they? Could they see their own fault in this? Maybe maybe not yet they are not the fan shoddy ports is not SONY's problem yet. Yet when it is will it be too late?

[BlackTar187]

Unfort. I don't agree with you and its seems like your justify your reasoning by adding sub points i added none. The line about carpenter will go where his tool work better is the dumbest line ever. That is 100% irrelevant after the contractor accepted the job once its accepted it needs to be fulfilled under the impression that you knew what the hell you were doing when you accepted the job. YOu point fails on so many levels sure if you want to break it all down you can find Loop holes to get out of responsibility anywhere from your stand point but my point is still 100% valid and reasonable if you accept the job you need to know how to accomplish that job. The line about one company has better tools thats all fine and dandy and does not divert from my point you ACCEPTED THE JOB you made them aware that you are able to do it now to come back when development closes with excuses like this and that no matter what they are is very poor business. Still goes along the lines of "IOts okay my house is tough to work on" THIS IS A VALID statement and needs to be realized at the point of accepting the job.

Contracting is not as advanced or whatever you said is also 100% irrelevant it was a analogy and it still stands but but but the question is and will always be. When you accept a job are you not required to be competent? I understand your tools line but then hey why do other people get around it and make good Multi plat games??? the answer to that question is what ever you want it to be but the problem isn't the tools its the team. YOu cannot fall flat on something you said you can do and expect to absolve all responsibility by pointing fingers at other things its very unprofessional among other things.

The fact you guys can justify this is beyond me.
"Your analogy only works for contractor guy... Game development is way beyond remedial contractor management. If you keep blaming the 3rd parties then you will see them eventually leave since the PS3 owners is turning out to be too hostile to please." This fails on so many levels sorry but you are obv. missing the point.

WHy is sony cannibalizing 3rd party that just isn't even a good line how do you figure because most of the Devs can make competent products but the ones that cant somehow get a brigade of people saying its everyones but the devs fault?? When you put your name on something you should deliver in quality that matches your companies standard if it does not then you are at fault you cant come out and say hey we provided a less product for the same money but its cause of them its there fault. We worked on it couldn't get it to work and instead of learning how to do so we just pushed it off and called it a day.
Anyways good conversation you went a little far over the top in your own opinion piece that wasn't exactly relevant and all based on your personal feelings not fact so it was kinda hard to follow.

[N4g_null]

BlackTar187 so all you can do is say my comment is full of fail uh, that is really intelligent and thought out.

If some one puts their name on some thing then they should be able to do it right is the jest of your point. Well if that is true then you may see less and less of people trying to do exactly that. You may actually see more developers not support the PS3 until their code for it is better. This is logically what will happen.

The contractor thing is a pretty bad analogy and seriously who did the port? If you want to believe there is no excuse for this then you give them little excuse to even continue trying. Making this an xbox exclusive and then porting to the PS3 if you are successful seems to be the way to go.

Building a game is a little harder than contract work. Contract work is some no name you bring in to do a job not create the best possible product you can teams are build for such a thing, the best is brought in. Do you think SONY uses any out sourcing for their 1st games, Nope.

If you want to believe your analogy is good then good for you. It is horribly one sided though and selfish. IF SONY wanted these guys to do better they would give them better tools to use if that was possible.

By your account if a contractor says he can dig you a hole with a pic-ax wouldn't you offer him a shovel or a small tractor if it would make your project look better?

[BlackTar187]

"If some one puts their name on some thing then they should be able to do it right is the jest of your point. Well if that is true then you may see less and less of people trying to do exactly that. You may actually see more developers not support the PS3 until their code for it is better. This is logically what will happen."
What does this have to do with anything i said you don't accept a job that your not capable of. This point by you is 100% irrelevant to the point no one is saying anything like this and the fact that your saying well you may see this and that is all complete nonsense that is your SUB points im talking about that have nothing to do with the post. No where on this what if what if stage and those go nowhere what if the world ended tomorrow... it can or it cant your line is nonsense. JUST TO BE CLEAR your saying that it shouldn't be held to there accountability that they released shoddy port under there company name and that companies who do this have a back alley everything okay line of hey we wont make games for you anymore we failed in our endeavour and were going to penalize sony because of our short comings. You act like sony contracted these guys to make a idea SONY came up with they went to sony for a MULITPLATFORM game where in this do you see it as anyone else's fault but the developer. I would understand if sony like hey make this game for us and provides crappy stuff and expect a miracle but the truth is the company are the ones who said were going to make this game not the other way around.

"The contractor thing is a pretty bad analogy and seriously who did the port? If you want to believe there is no excuse for this then you give them little excuse to even continue trying. Making this an xbox exclusive and then porting to the PS3 if you are successful seems to be the way to go."
How is it a bad analogy you have some thought in your head that you can go around just accepting jobs you are not capable of where is the right in that thinking.and again you go to this thought of YOURS that okay if we cant complete it then we wont make games for it which is fine if your not competent when you accept thee job then you are at fault no one else you don't sign up for something your not able to complete and you don't put your company name on it if it falls below standard now if your company wants to admit that there standards are actually that low and xbox went above what there company thought they were capable of then fine admit you have a less then perfect ideal value for your companies product.

Building a game is a little harder than contract work. Contract work is some no name you bring in to do a job not create the best possible product you can teams are build for such a thing, the best is brought in. Do you think SONY uses any out sourcing for their 1st games, Nope."
again this is irrelevant its a analogy you do know what that means right. Now your saying its not valid because building a game is harder or what exactly are you saying it doesn't make a lick of sense you know that right. Saying one is harder does not invalidate the analogy its meant as a foot note to correlate between the 2.

If you want to believe your analogy is good then good for you. It is horribly one sided though and selfish. IF SONY wanted these guys to do better they would give them better tools to use if that was possible.

So now they need better tools now that they have failed on there job that they said they could complete its sony for not giving them better tools. Which may be the case of not THE BEST tools but that again is irrelevant to what im saying when you accept a job you accept because you can complete it if you cant the only one at blame is yourself.

By your account if a contractor says he can dig you a hole with a pic-ax wouldn't you offer him a shovel or a small tractor if it would make your project look better." \
Again this means nothing if the contractor says he can dig a hole with a pick axe and i say okay ill pay you do that and they cannot and the hole comes out messed up then again it is not MY FAULT for giving you the job that you said you can do it is not my fault for anything you said you could dig that hole with that pix axe and in the end you couldn't is it my fault you couldn't deliver on what you said is it my fault that you needed a better tool?
Math problem here
Cont. Says hey i can dig that hole for you with this pix axe just pay me such and such
ME i say okay ill pay you this you say you can do it i believe you .you finish it and ill pay you
YOUR done i look at and say wait this hole is messed up this isnt what i paid for you look at me and say hey well i did what i could you should have given me better equipment
MY reply okay thats fair but not part of our agreement you said you could do this job with that pick axe and you messed up so the Answer to this is
did he do what he said he can do upon accepting the job
NO he was unable to
So why did he tell me he could? Somehow now its my fault thats strange
i see it as hey you said you could do it with what you have but you cant and now your saying its my fault because i believed you when you said that? Please explain that to me

EDIT*************
AVERY GOOD POINT DO YOU THINK PS3 FANS WOULD BE SO HOSTILE IF THEY DIDNT HAVE THE 360 FANS SAYING HAW YOU GOT A SHODDY PORT OURS IS BETTER NAHNNAHAHAH? Again even this statement is irrelvant to my orignal post but again is this not a fair assumption? Would there be this uproar if there wasn't article after article from Joe NOBODYs calling it a huge mess? The PS3 crowd to hostile man this isnt 6th grade this is business and in business is money and if you haven't gotten it yet that dealing with money in a business that caters to its consumers is always hostile no matter what then i guess you never will.

[mrmikew2018]

@Soda, the dreamcast went out of busy because of piracy

[maniacmayhem]

It also was because it didn't have enough 3rd party support. Sega screwed a lot of 3rd party developers when they dropped the Saturn so quickly. 3rd party developers lost faith in Sega. By that time they all jumped on board the Sony wagon.

[Consoldtobots]

kinda how like MS just banned 1 million pirates huh?

360 famboys have amazing logic, they not only won't take the stick out of their eye, they will lay there and ridicule you for scratching yours while they bleed to death.

[greatjimbo78]

Check your history. The Dreamcast failed due to a lack of third party support.

[Omega Zues]

because my wallet is killin me. The start of 2010 is gonna be so nuts I need to find some magical way to put more hours in to my days to be able to play all these games.

whooooooooooo!

[MajestieBeast]

SO people should support mediocre developers like platinum games and buy em... Ahh soda is a wittle sad baby last time i checked most 3rd party developers make more money on the playstation brand. Maybe you didnt know this but America and the Uk arent the world.

[Somnipotent]

don't blame platinum games for the poor port. blame sega.

[PirateThom]

I blame Platinum Games way more than I blame Sega.

Sega were just porting over Platinum Games un-optomised and shoddy code, not much they could do and it could have been a lot worse.

Platinum didn't even ATTEMPT a PS3 version or build the game as a multiplatform game.

BioWare did something similar with Dragon Age, but in that case they gave Edge of Reality assets and built the games side by side.

[Shadow Man]

If you want to achieve great graphics you most expend twice as much money to bring the graphics to the 360 level.

[A LIVING LEGEND]

Anything difficult isn't really worth doing anyways.When one aspires to mediocracy one often attains it.
Blame Sony,the devs,the 'alien' PS3 architecture,the wine,global warming,beavers,wall street etc.etc.Never assume responsibility,ever.

[BlackTar187]

great job man bubbles up. It seems like excepting responsibility for there short comings is some how foreign to these people now adays. Kind a get where the parents blame video games for there poor parenting.

when you think about that and just do some switching out of words were looking at mostly the same people aligning together opposite of what they speak of in here.

[cyclindk]

People keep buying them, so people keep mak'n em..

[Somnipotent]

was built from the ground up for the xbox 360. it has nothing to do with the "ps3 being hard to develop for". ask naughty dog, rocksteady, insomniac, sucker punch, hell, even ask infinity ward if you are so intent on using that excuse. regardless of that, the port isn't THAT bad (i played the demo, not my style of game though). the average joe doesn't care about pixels count or frame rates, they care about games for their console of choice.

[Henry Cain]

Excellent analogy!

[PLAYstar]

Becuz The Playstation3 was build by aliens in a way that no ordinary humanoid or rusty bots have the mentality's capacity to be able to establish with such overwhelming high-technology.

[mrv321]

Because the media makes uup the shoddy ports and their actually aren't any.

Why does the 360 keep getting shoddy ports such as the sabotour and FF13?

[Somnipotent]

ffxiii was never meant to be on the 360. development on the ps3 was well underway before they even announced a 360 version. it's shoddy because of it's dvd9 limitations... more discs, compressed cut scenes and audio, etc. we won't be able to tell what else until we get both versions in hand. we definitely won't know what was cut as a compromise for the 360 though. i was hoping for a japanese language track but that doesn't look likely.

[blackblades]

I thought sony help them fix the ps3 problems.

[A LIVING LEGEND]

They can.

[Karooo]

xbots are fcking retarded, bayonetta was built up as a 360 exclusive with a exclusive engine for it, its not a multiplatform engine, they cannot switch engines mid way that would be suicide.

So they stuck to it and ps3 version suffered, SEGA wanted this game for PS3 as well because it wouldnt sell in japan as a 360 exclusive, platinum games are a small company with less manpower or funds.

[solidt12]

I have no problems with the PS3 version, but I have a problem with these flame bait articles. STFU!!!!!!!!!!

[TheTruth2009]

Playstation Fans are THE WORST.
Do you honestly think that developers want to sell LESS copies?
Do you honestly think that developers want to damage their intellectual property?
Do you honestly think that developers don't want to create MORE revenue for themselves?

You're all idiots. And blind, myopic Non-Gamers.

THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT. ARE YOU LISTENING?

Sony placed complicated Cell Architecture inside the PS3 and then expected the developers to "figure it out" with NO developer support. They didn't offer ANY additional funding either. They can't spend their own funds (in a bad economy no less) and waste needed dollars on a port. It KILLS them.

AND PS3 OWNERS ALSO DON'T BUY GAMES.

So stop with your "Lazy Developer" garbage.

Blame Sony. For once.
It's their fault.
And if they wanted strong ports, they wouldn't have saddled the PS3 with the Cell.
And if they wanted to improve upon it, they would offer revenue or developer support.
Especially to developers native to their country.

Lemmings.
Myopic and blind.
Delusional.

And that's why you're in 3rd Place.

[2-oj]

Zzzzzz...

[FiftyFourPointTwo]

Gotta love reading TheButthurtTruth2009's posts. Pure comedy. :D

[Karooo]

your posts have no credibility then. PS3 sold at a higher price point, like a opportunistic troll you come in a positive 360 article to bash the ps3 now what NO GAMES, well PS3 did might fine, look at ff13, bayonetta should have been ps3 exclusive too bad platinum games had no idea about the PS3.

The cell is the reason PS3 will win because of the 21 first party studios, thats more than enough. Both consoles are different Bayonetta was a 360 exclusive but was ported to the ps3 but the engine was built around the 360.

again your don't buy games bullshit see the pic dumbass NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU.

[talltony]

Sony knew they could show the power of the cell within their many 1st party studios. They also knew they would get similar to superior performing multiplats. So Sony went right with the cell because at the end of the day the best looking games that continue to push the bar are on ps3 and not on 360.

In conclusion take truths last bubble and report him as spam. End Of!

[Oner]

Actually kartik21 his bias and posts of misinformation are easily disputed, especially since the PLAYSTATION line of products are not 3rd. See! Factual information that he can't refute...and even if he would like to he can't because he has no bubbles (which in itself explains a lot).

[NiiGhTx]

Is funny how PS3 fanboys are the worst, when you are having a b1tch fit, (LOL)

Is not SONY's fault they made a beast CPU, yet hard to develop. It was a smart choice. PS3 is a next-gen console. Sony and PS3 users they want a game that will literally keep you on the edge of your seat.

You gotta know that we're moving to the future. We don't, or maybe it's just me, want to be in the year 2016 and still have a LAST GEN HARDWARE and LAST GEN Disk format, example: 360 and DVD.

Sony knows what to do. PSone,CD-Rom. PS2, DVD-9. PS3, Blu-Ray.

I don't see the 360 in the year 2011, unless M$ announces a new Xbox.

[Snowgun]

I thought this site was called "news for gamers," not "blogs for gamers." As a multi-console owner, the author's main point has some value to me, but as the [story? article? blog post?] features not one quote from an outside source, or any piece of researched data, it has no value to me. Yeah, it may be true that PS3 ports get less developer attention than they deserve, but are we supposed to take the word of "twitchplay.com" at face value?

N4G is a valuable resource and i've been reading it for a long time, but i've noticed a disturbing trend among "articles" like the one above: a lot what gets posted on N4G is not credible news, and N4G's audience (the ones who post comments anyways) seem to do a poor job of recognizing this. Posting uniformed blog garbage is just fuel for the trolls.

[solidjun5]

It's not really news. I mean, I wonder how bad the PS3 port is. I don't think it's as bad as IGn makes it out to be. I mean, I'll play both versions side by side (my neighbor has a PS3 and 360 and for inexplicable reason, he's getting both) and I'll see how bad it is.

[FwanK]

Who cares about Bayonetta anyway

Instead of Witches, Butterflies and flowers, im gonna destroy Olympus and rip Zeus freaking head off!!

[cyclindk]

He won't kill Zeus, he'll eat him and become... KRAZEUS!!!

[nogolis]

Prime example of media bias. How many times in the past, hell we seen it with Uncharted, has a game been blasted in the face at point blank range for being the same as another game(S)? Too many. This shouldn't be any different. I personally didn't like it. I thought it was bland and boring and lacked appeal. The lead is uninteresting and it's Devil May Cry broken up and mashed together with every other hack n' slash combo bash out there. Pass in every sense of the word until you can get it used on Amazon for 15 bucks.

[frostypants]

Microsoft is in dire need of anything approaching good news, and payola is a powerful weapon...

[Jamescagney]

Nice blog.

[solidjun5]

I agree 100%

[Knightofelemia]

It is the developers fault for not understanding the console or even wanting to learn the console. They build the game for one console then release it to another console and expect it to look and play the same. All developers only care about throwing the game out to market and pray the game will sell and do good they don't go over the game with a fine toothed comb anymore. If I were to buy Bayonetta I would buy it for the PS3 my Xbox is out to lunch and I actually like the demo on the PS3. But instead I'll go with God of War 3 until Bayonetta comes down in price or I can find it used.

[Advari]

And developers wonder why sales of their games on the PS3 are low in sales when they hand the consumer a shotty port of a game. Pritty sad when i got to rely on Sony and their studios to produce great games and have their studios come close to fully utilizing the PS3. Most developers should learn this off of Sony if you don't understand the console phone Sony up and talk to them I am sure they will be happy to help a developer out. Bayonetta I won't get I'd rather play as Kratos and rip someones head off atleast I know the game will visually look better.

[rezenu]

It's very simple.

If a game is developed on the PS3 first, then both versions will be more or less the same. If a game is developed on the 360 first, expect crappy ports on the PS3. Both systems are different, with different properties.

Bayonetta on the PS3 is not unplayable. Seriously, it's not.

[AliTheBrit19]

You know what's funny?

Even if the PS3 got a version of a Mulit-Platform game that performed just as well as the Xbox 360 (which we almost never see happen, some recent exceptions being Batman: AA)

The 360 version is still the best version to get

With Xbox Live if the game has any online features being miles better than PSN for online gaming

And Achievements being an actual fully implemented feature that works, unlike Trophies.

That's why I buy ALL my Multi-Platform games on the Xbox 360

My PS3 is used for Exclusives only :) and even then..only 2 worthwhile games for the PS3 this year, 2010 looks better I guess..

[talltony]

Has 2 more features than psn but isn't free.

Bayonetta is single player anyways.

Trophies are in every game now.

Ps3 plays multiplats, doesn't break or scratch disks, and has the best exclusives.

I don't know what your smokin but 360 is the one that is almost not needed at all especially if you have a pc.

[mistergaga X]

I do the same thing , I buy only PS3 exclusives which are'nt much anyways and I buy all my multi-plats and exclusives for my 360 !

peace -

PS3 : It only does ... bad ports

[devilhunterx]

Ali do you really buy your XB2 games or pirate them? Just wondering.

[Thoreau]

creating shoddy ports is not going to create new a genre of game, or new special effects. to me(xbl-heavens boxer), (psn-southpaw79), multiplatform games don't pack the same punch that exclusive games do. the only multiplat i play is fallout3(360), codmw2(ps3), and tekken6(ps3). maybe it is just me....i was not going to buy bayonetta anyway, because i am tired of the same old sexy female whips azz or cool dude kicks butt cliche...

[SSCOOLCHEA]

YOU WANT NEXT GEN GAMING BUY PS3 EXCLUSIVE .

[Pootangpie]

LMFAO Orange box games happen to use an engine made in 2004 it shouldn't be hard to port regardles if valves doing it or not like others blame the hardware not the developer I think you sony rejects need theorpy fictional conspricicy theorys do not exist

[jalen247]

I think Ghostbusters and Bayonetta are anomalies. The majority of multiplatform games are now essentially the same on both platform with minuscule difference favoring either the PS3 or the 360.

[kewlkat007]

Then you'll feel better about making decisions which multiplatform title to get based on today's news/review.

[frostypants]

LOL @ the disagrees. Looks like you forgot an all important rule: if they can't afford it, they think it's stupid.

(Though if you held a gun to my head and told me to ditch one or the other, my 360 would be kicked to the curb in a heartbeat)

[xg-ei8ht]

Seriously Joy.

Your answer is ME. Do me a favour, it looks like crap. And yes i have it on a big tv on a 360. Textures are lame. Shadows poor.

Gears is the best looking game on the 360.

I don't think it'll get any better then that.

[memphis2]

why are so many exclusives going multi-platform? seems like sony is getting reamed in the industry now cuz every single exclusive that was on the ps3, they all have been ported or created on 360 now. why is that? is it cuz mirosoft is paying other developers to get the same game to decrease the competition or is it cuz developers want more money now? this is the worse by far of a port for a game on a system!

[AriesFury]

For the money that I'm pay full price for a game, it should be superb. Yes, I have heard that it is quite difficult to develop for the PS3 and some of it is Sony's fault; but it's been more then 4 years now that the systems' been out. The devs need to work a lot harder to fix this problem.

[saint_john_paul_ii]

the reason why we see these shoddy ports are most likely financial Reasons.

We Know the PS3 is able to handle these games with an ease. the proof is with the games that have been released for the last 3 years, MGS4,KZ2,UC1,UC2,Mirror's Edge, Dead Space, Burnout Paradise, ETC....

the thing is Developers/Publishers are too Greedy to add in the man power to learn the PS3's Architecture and of course to lead on it. And there is no excuse for that, especially when you have an install base of over 29 million people who are ready to buy Good Quality games.

[hoops]

It's about money. It takes longer to port a game to the PS3 with quality so in most cases 3rd party companies that are not getting funded by Sony won't put in the effort. It's simple business.

[hoops]

@jcgamer

The game is actually getting great reviews (94) for such a "shoddy game" as you call it.

I am assuming if the roles were reversed and the PS3 had the better version, you would most likely not be aying it was a "shoddy" game

[GUCommander]

I have talked to quite a few people who have worked with Sony's PS3 SDK (Software Development Kit) and they have nothing but hate for it. They swear up and down that Sony has by far the worst developer support out of any of the 3 main consoles (and handholds and phones). Sorry but I trust their opinions and must disagree with this article. I'm sure sometimes it is due to laziness, but I don't think that is the overall cause of the problem.

[Narutone66]

developers who were doing multi-platform games and they told me that the 360 is holding back their creativity and the last-gen optical drive is forcing them to heavily compress the data. I would trust them over the other lazy game developer who says that PS3 is hard to develop. If the PS3 is hard to develop, why not stop at super nintendo? They (hater)say the same thing for PS2 before.

[Zorik4]

PS3 hardware simple can not handle all effects at 60fps in games like Bayonetta.
Im no speaking about other games or exclusives, Bayonetta constructed for xbox hardware first ,with advantages of Xenus GPU like EDRAM,no Cell or RSX in PS3 can replace that

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[frostypants]

Interesting analysis. What else you got up your arse?

[N4BmpS]

The PS3 version of Bayonetta could handle 60fps, if the developers took more time with it. And that's the genuine problem; they didn't take the time.

[ikral]

I really dont wanna know why the game is bad, i just dont buy it. Let developers make games, and we should concentrate on playing.

[N4BmpS]

@Bungie you might as well say blame Bungie for making Halo a hard game to compete with. No it's not Sony's fault for thinking a head, in terms of technology. It's all on the developers, it's a poor refection on their publishers, and an insult to true gamers, especially those who own one system in particular, the PS3. Good thing Sony has an array of first party Developers. But it still sucks. I'm not just saying that because I own a PS3, I just feel that there is very little excuse of poor work on a gaming project.

[btaybron]

I don't even care about the ports anymore it seems as if Sony does not either. They are taking another route (Exclusives) lets see if it pans out. I give Microsoft a lot of credit because they made more user friendly Dev kits. I believe its because they own the personal computer market. That's cool Sony still has the game of the year AWARD for 2009 and Sony still has alot of momentum going into 2010. All in all when the two Goliaths compete at this level the true gamers are the ones who benefit.

[horndog]

it can only make ports look like s^it. No other console does it better than the ps3, thanks to the cell.

^^^^^^^^^It's to bad that the effort on 1st party games has gone down the drain. PS3's highest sellers are all from third party. MGS4, MW2 and now FF. Tell's you that ps3 owners are more interested in 3rd party ports than their own in house.

[CrippleH]

I swear Platinum/Sega but mostly Platinum games is the only devs this year to release a shady port of their PS3 game.

[mistergaga X]

it only does ... bad ports !

ha ha could'nt help myself

[mistergaga X]

: It only does .... bad ports .

ha ha could'nt help myself

[devilhunterx]

You just repeated the bad joke twice. Too much XBL ruin your brain cell?

[Zorik4]

PS3 hardware simple can not handle all EFFECTS at 60fps,lack of EDRAM, dont blame developers

[saint_john_paul_ii]

" The PS3 version of Bayonetta could handle 60fps
PS3 hardware simple can not handle all EFFECTS at 60fps,lack of EDRAM, dont blame developers"

which is why exclusives cant do it as well, right? what else do you have up from your A-Hole?

[spacetoilet]

..and a ps3 is not at all. So it stands to reason it will be cheaper and easier to get results from a 360.

[Swiftfox]

I'm going to sound like the odd one out but I feel that it's wrong to blame anyone at this point. We simply don't know enough about what happened to reach any type of conclusion.

People are blaming Platinum games and Sega or Sony, but I think it Bayonetta was a victim of circumstance.

Platinum games is a small 3rd party developer with very limited resources. What I think happened was that development for the PS3 would have been far too expensive as a lead platform and since the Xbox 360 and PC are of similar tech they lead development for the Xbox 360 due to cost. Sega on the other hand DOES have resources to work with the PS3 however since Bayonetta was developed from the ground up on a PC platform they simply didn't have enough time to port the game as well as they could.

I'm sure if Platinum Games had the resources they would have lead on the PS3 or would have done the PS3 port themselves, but thats the problem when you are such a small starter company. All the talent in the world doesn't make up for the blatant lack of cash, man power, or time.

[kornbeaner]

I was a PS3 test lead on a big holiday 08 multi-plat title and just like all multi-plats all code was done on 360 first. So there were times we would get builds that didn't work due to memory issues or other issues that plague a system getting a port. But the talent the PS3 code team had was simply amazing. The port team was never more then 3 people but once code was finalized these guys knew what to do in order to get it running properly on the PS3. If ever my team would come across a serious issue the code team would have it fixed in 3 hours tops. We had a talented QA and Code team for the project and it paid off. Our PS3 version of the game was actually approved and went gold a good 2 weeks before the 360 version of the game. Shoddy ports only happen when there is not the proper talent handling a port doesn't matter what's being ported. You can't have a windows team porting to Macs and the same holds true in consoles. You can't port to the PS3 or vice versa without a proper talented team handling the port or you will always see issue for that platform.

[Demon5500]

It is all about optimization, have your team up to scratch, But your studio may have been one of the lucky ones, I have worked on a few 3rd party games were the lead ps3 dev could not get help with a bad line of code that came through when debugging, they had to wait hours and some times a few day to get help, due to the engine and SPE's not balancing with ram, But the 360 was clean and ran debug with out any flags 90% of the time. And I have heard of teams of 10 people or so , that had problems, that had 360 devs fixing lines of code under edge, and they found it easier then some multi threading under early 360 engines, But I stand by the fact, that Sony keep so much of there resource to 1st party exclusive developer studios Nintendo were the same a few years ago to, it does make it hard for these developer who are 3rd party to get the true performance out of the Cell/rsx, some 3rd party studio have started to share information between them so that there retail code is up to scratch, not a good way to get people on board your console? Do not hate the developers guys, it is not all our fault...:)

[Pika-pie]

I think Sony need to accept the fact that they are not the market leaders anymore, realise that they need the developers more than they need them. Then acknowledge this by providing more support to the 3rd party teams to ensure that multiparty games are up to scratch on the PS3.

Developers will generally focus more on console that has the most market share in the first instance as this is where they will get the most income.

At the moment it seems that Sony is letting multiplatform games take a back seat while letting its first party games shine the most. They shouldnt overlook the mass market appeal that alot of 3rd party games have and understand the fact that if multiplatform games look worse on the PS3 compared the the 360 people generally view the console as inferior.

[CARRIERHASARRIVED]

It's not supposed to be worth any effort, it's multiplat for a reason. They want easy money, with the least effort put forth in adapting the games to the systems. As long as they run on the systems it is released on, they made their money, with or without that effort.

[True_Religion]

IBM dropped the CELL development because of the effort, its way to expensive to dev. for the CELL BUT:

With upcomming games like The Last Guardian, God of War 3 and many more, we can see what the PS3 is able to do.

Sony has very talented developers who support them.

[Lipscomba]

It's simple... bad port, no buy!!!!!!

[divideby0]

lazy a$$ developers....they only hurt themselves because a crappy port dont sell, at least to me...I buy the game which runs best of the specific console.

and if you look at the developers who spend the time, those games are the best of this gen... I have yet to play a game on my 360 which comes remotely close to UC2...and DemonsSouls...
just wait till white knight hits in a few months...the online portion is gonna rock hard...this game is gonna sneak up on many do to the higher hyped games.

[Demon5500]

It is only going to get worse, sony need to share there resource more with 3rd party developer, and relies there is 2 more consoles on the market not just the ps3 but 3rd party games are getting better, even tho wii can not match ether in terms of graphics but in sales that is different story?. but the monopoly has to end some time, if apple come into this console business, I can see a big change as all there tools could be open source, for devs, but can we really afford to have 4 console on the block at ones, it is more work for me but what would happen to all the SDF guys would you jump to mac or there OS as you do not like MS, that would mean you would be paying the other company, which is really like investing in that company, and helping pay for better game development, hardware, well in the long run any way?

[Enigma_2099]

What more can be said? This is so full of truth it hurts!

[Anemeros]

Eh.

[allplatforms]

I really hate when people bag on the Box. I mean really.. If the Cell was so great like fanboys claim then, why is Sony moving over to a general purpose CPU architecture (like the Box/PC) for the PS4? Why has IBM stopped making the Cell? If M$ is so money grubbing & evil then why is $ony gonna make us pay $69.00 a year for a much needed 3 year warrenty & storage for our game saves? I think that's dirty buisness considering all the people that have experienced YLOD (some multiple times) & had to pay a ridicules amount of cash for repair & still lost all their game save data as well!

[Enigma_2099]

... you XBOT. Leave your PS3nis envy at the door.

[cliffbo]

why does the 360 continue to Beta RPGs for the PS3?

[N4g_null]

stop reacting to xbox 360 fans. It is what has been hurting your console of choice for so long. On a serious note buy the game and see if this even matters. PS2 games where inferior but no one cared so why do PS3 owners all the sudden care about power?

Also I said what I wanted about your analogy and it sucks. That does not mean I believe in going around accepting jobs that I can not do. I am saying that PS3 owners are making it hard for developers to even get better at PS3 code by simply dismissing their games. Look you have to start some where.

It seems you are missing my point also. I'll leave it at that since you seem to want to rage on at the xbox fan and the developers not making good games. Have at it you can even use my pitch fork and torch.

[allplatforms]

LOL XBOT! Just talkin truth fanboy.

PSN - True_Elite_Gamer

XBL - HAPPY70

[Enigma_2099]

... anybody else feel the stinging irony here?