Javelin glitch users to be suspended from Xbox Live

CC: Director of Policy and Enforcement for Xbox LIVE Stephen Toulouse has stated that anybody using the Javelin Glitch in Modern Warfare 2 will be suspended.

[mj246]

so they should. it's not like they're doing it by accident. they're doing it to win the match by cheating which spoils the whole point of competitive matches. I've said my point :)

[dpdvxkpizbnwg]

Totally agree. Pirates need to be banned. From everything!

[KillerBBs]

The game designers are to blame for this one. If it's in the game, then it's in the game. Sucks, I agree, so fix it. Did game developers fire all their game tester?
Oh, and fanboy is right.
come to think about this, Infantry f up and now they are going to make you pay for it. Is there a rule on which buttons i push on my controller and in what order. Fix the game loser. this is not hacking or mod n.
ps don't glitch and don't plan to. so F off supporters.

[lord_of_balrogs]

Key word is suspend... not ban

[Government Cheese]

"Don't hate the player, hate the game"

[actionjackson]

This is the first time, I believe, that a console manufacturer is taking responsibility for the errors in 3rd party development/programming. Although I believe the glitch substantially decrease the gaming experience, wouldn't it just be easier for IW to create a patch for it and be done?

Why should the console manufacturers apply such harsh measures to the gamers using the game "the way it was designed". If it's designed with flaws, that is not the gamers' problem, it's the developer's problem. So the message that the suspension would be sending is "don't worry game developers, if you make a horribly programmed game, we'll blame it on the gamers if they find flaws in the game."? I think they may want to rethink this strategy.

Not quite sure where MS is going with this one, but they should probably tread lighty. I can just imagine the issues that will come about in the future if this becomes precedent. Just a thought.

[The Great Melon]

Anyone using the glitch is not doing anything wrong in my book. The game was made that way, so people learned the most effective way to win. Halo 2 had many glitches like the double shot. If you were good you would exploit it so you could get kills faster. Glitching may be annoying, but it is not cheating when everyone has access to this. The developers should fix this if it wasn't intended rather than punishing the gamers which it seems they are doing.

[raztad]

So in short some people are gonna be suspended because are playing a "legal" copy of a game on a totally unmoded and "up to code" console.

Sounds nice to me. I'm sure the developer is not responsible for the bugs/glitches in its games /s

[badz149]

that Activi$ion and IW have no words regrading this and yet M$ is now suspending the glitchers?

I'm not defending the glitchers but they are not modding consoles, not hacking the save files and not using any cheat codes but just playing the game as it is - with the glitch! I don't think that there's any mention of glitch in user agreement and suspending them for 'using' the 'game feature' (it's included in the game albeit being a glitch!), is kinda against the agreement IMO!

@dpd

pirate? which one? the gamers that bought their game legally and found the glitch or IW that is selling the game which depends solely on its MP but without the beta test?

[ia_studio]

FIX THE GLITCH don't ban people,

[DMason]

While I do agree that it's IW's fault, it's really something that you can't stress test during play testing. It's purely an accident. I think the reason MS is taking such a stance, is because it really truly ruins the multiplayer experience. I mean, I hated COD5 online because the way people got under the map and got cheap kills. I hated it so much that I stopped playing it. And MS does not want people to stop going online, it's their bread and butter.

Overall, IW isn't usually this quick to patch their games, so MS is stepping in temporarily to try to lessen the cheating. At least they arent banning. It's probably just a 24 hour suspension. Because in all honestly, it completely ruins the game when people do stuff like this.

[nnotdead]

you play to win the game! does it suck for people not glitching? yes of course it does, but they are only doing what the game creators allow them to do. if IW doesnt want people to do it then they should fix it.

[Millah]

So they will suspend you for playing the game as it was shipped? It's the devs fault the glitch is in there, don't punish the users for taking advantage of the devs mistakes. How about the testers at Infinity Ward, do they get get "suspended" as well. Doubtful.

I don't like the glitch, find it quite annoying, but that does not mean it should be right to suspend players who are simply playing the game as it was shipped.

[frostypants]

Hate to say it, but if it's legitimately within the game's code, then they have no right to punish people for utilizing it. It's not the players' responsibility to determine what is and is not a glitch. If the game allows it, it's fair game.

The thing is, this doesn't feel like a glitch at all. It feels like an easter egg that a dev threw in as a joke during testing and forgot to eliminate from his code. But I digress...

Yes it's annoying. That's why these games need a kick-vote option. Let the players determine when someone is playing dirty.

For those of you who DO use this, you are total d-bags. But MS is out of line here.

[JeffGUNZ]

Who cares if it's in the code, it's still not meant to be used. It's not a perk or a killstreak or something you can pick. Stop saying "if it's in the game, then that's the way it should be!" nonsense. Every game this generation ships with glitches and other things that don't get caught by testers. IW already stated it's been addressed and will be in the first title update. Microsoft is doing the right thing. I quit and so do my friends when we see someone doing it. It completely ruins the game experience. People should be banned for cheating. Kids in college and high school get suspended for cheating, but isn't in our generic make-up to cheat and make choices? People kill eachtoher, but should it be overlooked because we're all human and given free choice? No. Play by the rules or you get punished. That's how the world works. Do you know how many new comers to MW2 will be turned off by this game if the first few times they tried to play the game, they have this glitch used on them.

[Redgehammer]

The old axiom "Cheaters Never Prosper" needs to continue to be made manifest, otherwise gaming communities start to fracture; which in-turn can lead to the steady decline of a community. Over the years I Have read many a cheat attempt to justify their actions in a a multitude of ways, but from where I sit justification is nothing more than an inane attempt at convincing one's self of something they do not truly believe; or as a defensive response to being called out for cheating. Regardless of the contrived rhetoric that most glitchers use to defend their actions; I am in concordance with Microsoft; and applaud them for attempting to reprimand those that, by their actions, threaten to destroy the fun and the competitive nature of online gaming. Maybe if Dante Alighieri were alive today he would of added a 10th circle of Hell for those that attempt to cheat their way to victory.

[yippie1234y]

i can see people getting mad because they got killed by someone exploiting the glitch, but is it fair to temp ban them? i mean think about it. did they create the glitch? since they didn't, they are not hacking. which makes them free to play the game they purchased any way they want.
some would say all campers should be banned. but in a sense they are just playing the game they bought the way they choose. the game was not designed for people to either camp or use this suicide glitch but if infinity ward wants to fix their mistake then go right ahead but banning someone from xbl when they are not hacking is wrong. they paid for a service/game and are not cheating.

[edgeofblade]

A 24 hour ban, with a 2 week ban following. The punishment fits the crime...

[yippie1234y]

crime? lol last time i checked its not illegal. i think the crime is being committed by ms

people pay money to play on xbl. so since the developer messed up they should fix it.. ms is all over activision's ____.

i would actually find it funny if i fragged someone who instantly blew up, even if they took me with them. im much more likely to be upset if someone shot me who hasn't even left spawn crouching with a sniper.

[Shepherd 214]

some of you act like MW2 is the only game in existence to have glitches, and its a horrible game because of it. Most games ship with glitches or problems that require patches, get realistic people.

[Bzone24]

Just because it's in the game doesn't mean you should use it. If you do you should be prepared to pay the consequences.

Cars are made to go a lot faster than the speed limit. Doesn't mean you won't get a ticket if you do so.

[2cents]

Glad someone is doing summin about it!

[_insane_gamer_]

There ain't any point in protesting, MS will still do it no matter what. The hackers/modders/glitchers won't have a coice

[actionjackson]

There are major differences between modders/hackers and glitch users. The difference is that a modder/hacker is actively taking steps to side-step the system and the way it functions normally. A glitch is an error in programming. Glitch users, although horribly annoying, are just using what is given to them in terms of the game. It's flaws in the game that allows this, not some active step taken by the gamer.

Banning hackers/pirates/modders - I'm all for it.

Suspending people that discover errors in the code - I think it's going a bit too far. Hold the programmer/developer accountable, not the gamer.

[The BS Police]

Exploiting any glitch over Xbox Live is considered cheating, it is clearly stated in the TOS that you agree to before you create your account.

[-Alpha]

One thing that's great with XBL is that they know how to treat their community (and they damn well better because people are paying customers).

This ban is great news, but I own a PS3 meaning I need to manually report people myself, and even when I do I get a "Report to Activision" message.

I hope Sony bans these cheaters too, I hate this glitch so, so much.

[mjolliffe]

Haven't personally been hit by the glitch as yet, but I can understand how annoying it is.
Microsoft can sort it out, though I think Sony need to bee a lot more interactive and need to communicate more with the PS3 and PSP community, other than on the official forums.

[dkblackhawk50]

Nope Sony isn't following. http://www.n4g.com/NewsPend... ...sigh.

[-Alpha]

Is that people in the comment section actually are defending Sony for not doing it.

It's BS. If anyone has seen the glitch they know it renders the game unplayable since killing your enemy results in dying. Sony could put in the effort, but MS practically should because people pay for the service.

Just one of the quirks of premium services it seems.

Now Sony may be banning people, but they need to communicate that with us.

It's a good thing IW is working on the fix, I just wish the fix would come faster.

@DarkTower

I think your taking it too far. MS isn't telling you how to play. But MS is taking care of their community against people who ruin a game. If you can't stay out of obvious, blatant, trouble, then I have no sympathy for the consequences MS chooses to put on people.

And keep in mind this is a suspension, not a ban, so really, your making a big deal out of nothing. Suspensions are great to control glitchers and keeps the community happy.

@UltimateIdiot

Ok, that makes sense. I don't expect Sony to do anything, but I still think that taking action is a good gesture. Sure IW can do something too. The fact that MS is taking action at least shows they are loyal to their paying customers, but then again, PSN is free and I see no obligation for Sony to do much.

[DarkTower805]

I don't glitch, pirate or anything of that sort, but you're totally wrong here. MS is starting to operate their gaming division like a totalitarian government.

I hate glitchers and hackers too, but it is up to the dev (IW in this case) to patch their game and reset the offenders stats. MS just needs to stay out of it. And would I really want to play on a console where some dictator tells you that you must play a certain way or else? Hell no! We already saw the PC community get screwed by IW, now MS is giving the shaft left and right too.

[UltimateIdiot911]

I'm going to agree with Dark Tower here. It's not up to Sony to stop glitchers, it's IW's job. Is it MS or Sony's fault for IW doing a sloppy job at QA? No, and if MS and Sony are to keep gamers from glitches and bugs by ban/suspension, then it only makes the dev lazier about their work. If the devs know that the glitch will turn gamers off from playing, then if they are at least a decent dev, they will do something promptly.

[BX81]

I agree with alpha male on this. Yes it is IW job to stop cheaters on their game but it's MS job to let cheaters, glitchers and modders know that they will not be tolerated on XBOX LIVE!

[TheBlackSmoke]

I would totally agree with you if it weren't for the fact that MW2 has MANY other "cheap" ways to get kills. Theres a fine line between a glitch and just bad game design. People need to stop pretending MW2 was a highly skillfull game that got ruined by the javelin. Yeah cos dropping a nuke and auto winning a match even when your team didnt bother with the objectives and just camped is fair.

[DMason]

I agree with Alpha Male. This glitch makes the game unplayable. The whole point of the multiplayer is to get kills and rack up points. How are you supposed to succeed when everytime you get a kill, you die? It's not fun and it's not fair. I'm sorry, but Microsoft is doing the right thing here. They're not taking away your account, they're just suspending it for a brief period. When you make an Xbox Live account, you agree to Terms and Conditions. One of those conditions is that you cannot exploit glitches in online multiplayer. They have every right to protect their service. The game is played on THEIR service, therefor they can make these decisions. And believe me, I guarantee the LIVE community is not complaining about the fact that people are getting slapped on the wrist for this.

This glitch really does make the game unplayable. MS is protecting the community and making it a better place to game. I think calling it a Totalitarian government is exaggerating quite a bit. Their service, their rules.

[Eamon]

AlphaMale, when you do it by accident then get banned then you will be saying something different now.

Glitches are the developer's fault and they should patch. FFS, we're playing the games to have fun, and finding glitches is also "fun." People were enjoying the RocketLauncher-superjump exploit in Halo 2.

The only people who would get annoyed by people exploiting glitches are those with no lives and sit in front of their TV playing games 24/7.

[KingKionic]

I am now going to stop doing this glitch .

[mjolliffe]

You shouldn't have started, really.

[KingKionic]

Yeah i know.

But it was just hilarious watching someone kill me then the javelin goes off .

[darkequitus]

Glitches like this is wh have have not even played MP yet. It put me off COD4 and 5 MP

[dachiefsman]

I did the glitch once in the game just to see it, and I stopped cause it ruins the game. Instead of banning people, IW should get off there ~$200 million dollar pile of money and fix it.

IF they start banning, they should also ban people who use tricks to reach map points which SHOULD be locked down.

[Ps_alm3k]

Or devs in general, so they can't do it anymore...

[In-cognito]

I agree 100%
IW needs to fix the glitch!

Why give IW a free ride. It should have never been in the game to start with.

[hay]

Yup, it should be fixed but I still find it funny though.

[Wallonsi]

How do you know if Sony isnt banning them? You didn't even state a source...

Edit, srr want ment for reply to e4ginfo

[DonCorneo]

it's part of the game.

these "glitchers" are not using any mods so it's not a cheating. it's just poor testing by IW.

IW should fix this and fix mw2's ugly graphics while they're at it.

[BX81]

Ahhh Don d!ck cheese, I knew you would show up with something intelligent to say!

[Teh Cell]

First of all, a glitch is not "a part of the game", you retard. It was never intended, and is not part of the game play. Second, it's impossible to fix 100% of glitches in any software. Something will always come up, no matter the amount of testing.

[wogsy]

Whoever gets caught by MS doing this "javelin glitch" will get a 24 hour ban and thats it..

I mean I bet most people are trying it just out of curiosity, getting a cheap kill or 2 and then going back to playing the game properly..

MS wont perma-ban anyone doing this.. For 1 they aint got the balls, and 2 it aint that much of a crime is it!
Just patch this sh*t allready and lets move on..

[peeps]

and so they should be banned, however 1) how can they possibly monitor every1 and 2) isn't this being fixed in the incoming mw2 update? which i imagine will be here pretty soon

[badkolo]

I totally agree that all pirates should be banned.

BUT, They released a broken game, like almost every game this gen they all have glitches, so while its not fun being cheated while playing I dont see how this is the players fault, IF the devs would stop releasing games with tons of bugs and glitches the players wouldnt be able to cheat. I blame the devs on this one.

[DJ]

On people for other game glitches. Didn't get killed in the last match 'cause of a glitch? Suspended. Accidentally threw two grenades instead of one? Banned.

[CaptainMarvelQ8]

how can MS catch the people that are doing the glitch?
its not like there are people watching every single game going on and what everyone is doing? xD

or are they :0
dun Dun DUN

[Ace Killa 08]

there is a report abuse for users, now if they do the math and if 9 people file a complain on the glitcher (assuming you played ground war)this should raise some kind of notification and they do their detective work to ban the glitcher.

[chrisulloa]

Lol 1 day supsension.

[badkolo]

maniac, i dont cheat nor have i found the glitch, but like i said, while some call it a glitch I rather call it bad programming, now we paid for the game, its thier obligation to fix it or let it be, they sold the game as is, now how can the player be at fault.

Im not saying everyone has the green light to cheat but how can the player be at fault, we didnt design the game, nor are they modding the game , the game is broken, a glitch to me means something is broken, bad dev's or bad programming, call it whatever you want but the way i look at it , its up to the dev's to fix it and not blame the players for abusing what they allowed in the game in the first place.

[maniacmayhem]

And they are creating a patch for it. I have to tell you that EVERY game has bugs, a game cannot be bug free. Its impossible for a QA team to find every bug in a game.

On top of schedules and release dates for games nowadays you have to realize that a game cannot be bug free.

[user858621]

its basically a big F!CK U to the people who purcashed xbox live

"thankyou for your purchase of xbox live, unfortunately due to you using a glitch in modern warfare 2 you have been banned, this doesnt however count for glitches in other games, its only because modern warfare 2 is so popular and we know you're desperate enough to purchase an xbox live subscription again just to play it

Sincerly,
Microsoft"

[AliTheBrit19]

You're an idiot

Yes it's IW's problem and they need to fix it

But what are you saying? they SHOULDN'T be suspended? knowingly exploiting a glitch and ruining the online experience for everyone else.

Well done Microsoft, for actually doing something and its a Suspension not a Banning so why would anyone buy another Gold Membership? are you just plain ignorant or stupid? maybe both?

Unlike Sony who couldn't care less about you're online experience, as if the poor PSN wasn't enough to prove THAT already.

[DruePhoenix]

uh... just because you pay them money, doesn't mean they can't call you out if you violate the terms of service you(supposedly) read when you sign up for the service

true of anything really

"we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" sorta thing :)

[MSpence516]

Played against a guy this morning on hardcore hq that was doing this. It is so cheap. The guy was getting like 40-50 kills a game, and then he stopped doing it and only got 9 kills.

[Ace Killa 08]

this is a ban for the glitch which tampers with the online gameplay for MW2, now i do remember the same applying for gears of war 2 with the whole crab walk, and other annoying glitches. it is up to the devs to fix their game(IW), but it is up to MS to maintain their online service. if an glitch were to happen where everyone can get all achievements in seconds, MS will reset the accounts that glitched. the same goes for modders and hackers.

this is nothing new, like i said gears of war 2 had this type of policy for glitcher and im sure the same goes for halo and other games that find a glitch that really unbalances the online gameplay. it is bad that this glitch is alive to begin with and shouldn't of been in the finish product of MW2, and i do hope IW learns to have a stronger beta testing, this IMO could of been prevented.

IW is working on a patch and if the rumor mill is true its to come out in a week or so, and this patch SHOULD fix the javelin glitch for good.

[DJ]

Guess I must have offended them for stating that this is a bad move on Microsoft's part. But saying that will probably get this comment deleted too. Smart move, N4G Mods. Smart move.

[shadowlink25]

why should we get our accounts suspended just because IW can't debug their game properly. Yes i agree that the glitch does dampen the MP, but shouldn't IW just reset the accounts which have used the glitch.

[Godmars290]

If MS bans you for a few days does that mean you have no access to XBL at all? Are you basically losing time that you paid for?

[ChrisW]

"If I'm suspended or expelled for Academic Dishonesty for being caught cheating on an exam or committing plagiarism, will the university refund the tuition that I paid???"

Yeah... Godmars290 (PS3 Tag: Majin47), I guess you'll only find out the answer to both questions if you EVER make it to higher education.

[Ace Killa 08]

totally BURN U !!!

[Godmars290]

In this specific case its like getting suspended because you held the pencil wrong. A student being held responsible because the pencil maker made the mistake.

But above all, since MS feels that they have to ban people for exploiting glitch that the highly vaunted XBL community is as immature as reputation suggest.

Nevermind the example you two set. Though I did make the mistake of asking my question in the open zone...

[ChrisW]

"In this specific case its like getting suspended because you held the pencil wrong. A student being held responsible because the pencil maker made the mistake."

Okay... Um... Stop... Please... Either you're incredibly naive about cheating or plagiarizing OR... Um... Yeah... Never mind. I'll end this on this quasi-friendly note.

Have fun. See you on PSN someday.

[DonCorneo]

it's a special moves; it's like a haduken in street fighter. this is not an unfair advantage. you can also do it if you know how to press down, forward punch.

do you know who m$ should really suspend for cheating? the hosts in ghays of war 2. host advantage is plaguing that game because of LIVE's crappy p2p.

[L3XXY]

What the f%$k is wrong with you people? It is not Microsoft's (or for that matter), Sony's problem. It's a glitch that Infinity Ward need to address, like the region settings and a host of other issues that plague this game. I find it ridiculous that Microsoft ban or suspend people for exploiting a glitch. Pull your finger out Infinity Ward and sort out your sh1te game!

-TOG out, b1tches!

[badkolo]

i understand it sucks having people abuse the glitches, but banning players for it is not the way to go, reset the account like many have said, dont ban them, instead get on the phone and call IW and tell them to fix the game.

Yes every game has bugs but this gen they are buggier then ever, i appreciate that they try to fix their mistakes but why punish a player, i dont condone cheating, nor do i condone a player using the cheat over and over which essentially will ruin another players experience online, but its not our fault, its in the game they sold to us, its an exploit THEY need to fix and to be honest everyone should be using the glitch until it ruins everyone's game, this way iw would fix the bug immediatly, im being sarcastic with that but cmon, punishing players for this is obscene in every way.

Lets say bungie released halo4 to everyone and by accident becuase of a unchecked bug everyone has a unlimited grenades that kill all the players on screen when it shouldnt do that, inturn ruining the game, now while we all wait around like morons for a fix cause the game is essentially unplayable should we be banned for using the grenade since everyone can use it until the bug is fixed, NO we shouldnt, instead we would expect bungie to fix that issue immediatly. this situation is no different.

[The BS Police]

It doesn't matter, eitherway Microsoft would be right. Xbox Live is Microsoft's platform and they decide the rules.

It's no diffirent than how in your own home you decide the rules for guests.

[robotnik]

Microsoft is very cool. They ban you because you might do it.

[Blow Out Your Brains]

Haha I hope they get banned. I haven't run into this yet and I play a lot, I'm glad.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Another reason why Xbox Live is better than PSN. Very easy to detect and ban the cheaters.

Even tho' this glitch isn't that big of a deal. The first modern warfare had crazy glitches and cheats that affected the ps3 much more than the 360.

[HDgamer]

Nah, 360 glitches all the time and some kids get molested via xbox live. If that's what you like paying for then I feel sorry for you.

[shysun]

I hope they stay true to that!

[redgr81]

Xbox is getting lame real quick. If you drink a coke while you play your suspended is that next. Its the games fault. Ive tried it, it was funnier than useful. I did it twice and got 1 assist. Get a life microsoft!

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Dumbest glitch I ever seen. Now people I shoot confirm their deaths with an explosion.

[Senden]

How will they supsend people.. will microsoft have an enforcement team playing games all day? Or will you need to report someone 50 trillion times first? Still I hope they do get banned but in fairness, it's the minority.. i'd say 1 in 30 games you'll meet someone using the glitch.

[outlawlife]

people saying infinity ward isn't doing anything, they are...they already submitted a patch for certification and the pc patch is coming down sooner than the consoles

[Pillville]

Reminds me of the "Press Your Luck" scandal. On the game show, a guy figured out the patterns on the board and won over $100,000.

He exploited a glitch.

Did the other contestants wine and moan that they were cheated? Nope.
Did the guy get to keep his money? Yep.

http://www.museumofhoaxes.c...

[Setekh]

Great link there. I had never read about that scandal before.

+1

[bjornbear]

she's a b!tch =)

[jumped out]

I call the anti-camper glitch.Some camper getting cheap kills waiting for you in that house arm your bomb and run in,if he kills you again he blows up along with the rest of his camping buddies.

[STRAIGHTASL]

im glad im not being banning from ps3. what can i say to these 360 hypocrite fanboys?

TOOBAD!

[artsaber]

The only way to FIX the issue is to solve it @ its root or core. The problem relies in the coding of the game. This is a glitch, if it was not caught during testing, no big deal, it slipped through the cracks. Infinity Ward should have a patch ready by tomorrow if they were worth their salt.

The developers are responsible for the code that runs in their game... not the kid on the street who bought a copy. Many of you guys have flawed logic. So if in game I pressed buttons in this order: AABBYXX and it automatically completed the game on the most difficult setting, and I got all the trophies/Achievements to boot, then it is my fault according to a good number of folks here. No, the truth is that the CODE should not allow me to accomplish this.

There is NO logic being demonstrated here. The source code belongs to the devs, the root problem lies at the core of the coding, only the devs can fix it, so it is the devs fault and RESPONSIBILITY to release a patch. Microsoft "shifted" the responsibility on to the gamer. Shady move in my opinion, hold the devs responsible for their end product.

[bozebo]

absolutely. I am in the industry and if people knew what game testers were like nobody would be surprised at all about this kind of glitch getting through. A friend recently worked finding glitches for Proper Games' latest work - a rerelease for xbla of some old capcom games - he found 4 times as many glitches as the entire 6-man capcom testing team for the game team did.

Not only that, but there shouldnt be so many launchers and all that rubbish in the game anyway, they ruin it :( Idiots need to fix the spawning and network code anyway (engine specific 1-second delay, even if you are the host)

[bozebo]

what about glitchers on steam?

[jarhead906]

I think in this case when he says "suspension" it means ban. Not a temporary ban.

[jarhead906]

Ignore what I said.

[trgz]

I abhor cheating, which is probably why I've never really bothered to do much on-line gaming, but has anyone stopped to consider that if you did exactly the same in the real-world then you'd blow up too?
I've just googled it to see it in action and to be honest it looks like an easy sort of thing to do - hell, there's been many a time I've accidentally blown myself up (another reason I don't play competitively?) with a dropped or short tossed grenade.
And one further point, I recall vaguely that there's at least one game that was launched in the last year or two (sorry I can't remember which) that touted the suicide grenade tactic.

[Rhezin]

Cheaters should have their hands lopped off. Seriously you suck that bad in the game you need to cheat to win? F!CKING PATHETIC, JUST LIKE THEIR LIVES.

[Halo_Reach]

I still playing my Halo 3 and Waiting for Reach , Sorry i just cant play noob Games so for me online games only Halo , Quake , Counter Strike or UT... The rest is pure garbish - Killzone , Gow and uncharted included.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

it's almost like it's the cool thing to do in games now, and I do believe devs. are starting to let them slip. But to me it makes them look a bit sloppy!. My most fav. dev. this gen is Naughty Dog. Im constantly on Uncharted 2 Multiplayer, and I catch people glitching all the time in that game, p!sses me off... just last night I was getting killed by a guy inside a wall of a structure in the village map!

This stuff is lame, just like anyone that needs them to win!

Any legit gamers that would love to friend up and game, hit me up!

PSN = SeanKWD
LIVE = Xbox360me

[maingon]

I am glad people are getting suspended, they should, the game isnt fun when people are cheating like that. playing domination, and theres no way you could capture a point, everyone was using the glitch. Why play a game to cheat?