NVIDIA Fermi (GT300) ray tracing demo

A pair of leaks have revealed NVIDIA's Fermi hardware should both be a dramatic visual upgrade and have a quick release of mobile parts. A post today on a Chinese forum shows samples of the graphics chipset that include 3D rendered faces with both extremely high detail as well as particularly complex visual effects, such as natural-looking facial hair or skin glare. One also shows the level of detail possible with relatively fast raytraced lighting.

[Kakkoii]

Absolutely astonishing if the head demo's can be run in real time on a high end Fermi chip. And even if not, the detail is still amazing.

[Saaking]

It's hard to believe that video games will one day reach such a high level (at least on PC). Damn, that's just amazing.

[SuperM]

Next gen. Believe!

You have to keep in mind though that all the performance of the chip has been put into rendering just the head. So if you are making a big environment you probably cant put that much detail into the face.

[NeoCloud]

Sorry but this article is false. "NVIDIA Fermi to have lifelike 3D, mobile GPUs soon."

These models were made with projected textures onto 3D geometry. See the official link here:

http://forums.cgsociety.org...

[hakis86]

You can't even really tell that it's fake!!

This is breathtaking...this is the best I've ever Seen.
Nvidia.. I have so much respect for you.

[MNicholas]

Bullshots. Typical Nvidia.

Who can forget the hilarious claim that the original Xbox could push 125M polygons per second!

This ship is absolutely huge. There is only one application for which it is a better solution than anything we have today and old-fashioned PC based gaming isn't it.

[evrfighter]

given enough time any gpu and render these shots. Stillshots are meaningless.

If anything is to complimented about Nvidia. They're 3d artists are of extremely high caliber and that's about it.

[MNicholas]

http://forums.cgsociety.org...

Direct Link:

http://www.heerkogroefsema....

[Major_Tom]

Jumps on anything Nvidia related with nothing but praises even though this article is faker than Pamela Andersons breasts

[Kakkoii]

@MNicholas:

It was actually 125 million particles a second. And it wasn't a claim, but the raw spec of the chip. Along with 115 million vertices a second.
You have to remember... this is each SECOND. Normal video and gameplay is at around 30 frames per SECOND. So divide the number by 30 and you have you real-time spec. Seems a lot more realistic now, doesn't it?

@Major_Tom: Up to your trolling again I see :)
And I made that comment before I knew it was fake. Your saying something like this wouldn't be worth praise if it wasn't fake? Don't be so ignorant. And my comment was hardly in a fanboyism manner. I had stated even if it Fermi wasn't able to be rendering this in real-time, the detail is still amazing in terms of 3D models. That's the main thing I'm praising. Sadly it projection similar to what LightStage does. And thus I am not as impressed anymore :)

(P.S, constantly commenting on my comments like that makes you a hypocrite :P )

[maniactadpole]

Look at the amount detail !!!.......imagine playing killzone 4 with this much detail !!!

[champ21]

unfortunately..

due to focus now being on consoles.. we wont see games looking this good until the next gen of consoles are out.

till then we are stuck with Unreal engine 3 for the most part.

developers just wont invest so much to make such a good looking game for the pc alone. they would rather make something that works on all 3 platforms (pc, ps3, 360).

[Bigbangbing]

@champ21

you do realize he said KILLZONE 4.. right?

[CrippleH]

We won't be seeing this type of graphics for at least 10-15 years that's my opinion.

[TheIneffableBob]

Yeah, probably 10 years if consoles continue to dictate how triple-A games are developed. I'd love it if PC games were in the spotlight again. Then we'd start having much more significant advances in graphics.

[ReviewsArePolitics]

If you are so concerned by the hardware developers take in mind when their AAA games are being made, why not make your own company that focuses on making *exclusives* for the best technology (one that requires you to upgrade your computer just about every 6 months). Let's see how sustainable your business model is...

Isn't it amusing how PC gamers think so highly of themselves and yet complain about their hardware not being taken advantage off even though it's the only hardware that becomes obsolete the moment you purchased it, not to mention the platform where piracy is the most rampant, and that it's not a platform with uniform hardware.

What are hardcore PC gamers good for anyway? Evidently they don't know how to run businesses, they don't know anything about economics, and apparently not about game development. Just good at whinning and spending their welfare/parents money in hardware they don't need.

Oh well, back to uncharted 2.

[CernaML]

I usually agree with the comments you make, but now you're just being a douchebag. Besides, your comment is a little more appropriate for the Xbox Live community.

" Just good at whinning and spending their welfare/parents money in hardware they don't need. "

[CrippleH]

There are some people who upgrade computer like people upgrading Cars man. It gives them satisfaction and great graphics to boot. They are funding our technology pretty much by buying those graphic cards.

I salute them.

[TheDudeAbides]

I think NVIDIA is out of the game, Intel is about to do PS4's GPU

[SuperM]

Next gen consoles will most likely have even more powerfull hardware then that. So saying we wont see this graphics for 10-15 years i think is kind of ignorant. We will see it in 3-5 years when the next gen consoles come out.

[CrippleH]

It's ignorant to a degree but look at the target render. You notice it's just a head. No body, environment, physics, and other factors. That's why these tech demos always look better, they always focus on 1 thing or little amounts of things.

[STONEY4]

@Gamer Politics

"(one that requires you to upgrade your computer just about every 6 months)."

I hate uninformed people like you. Before I built a whole new computer a few months ago, I was using an 8800GTX since 2007. Even to this day, it was still running nearly every game out there at 60fps at a high resolution on max settings. In fact, I have an old computer lying around with a 7900GTX that came out in 2005 I think, and that things still runs games ok, and still looks better than it's console counterpart in games

"Isn't it amusing how PC gamers think so highly of themselves and yet complain about their hardware not being taken advantage off"

We don't complain, because are hardware is being taken advantage of. *cough* Crysis *cough* And most of the multiplat games on the consoles have way better graphics than the consoles will be able to achieve until the "next generation." For PC gamers, there really isn't a "next generation," because were basically always in a next gen era compared to the consoles, and every few months game look better.

[champ21]

its funny most console gamers wish pcgaming were dead...

this is mostly their mentality due to their fanboisim, they just want to see their respective console be the best at a certain game, however that just doesnt happen because even a mid range pc runs circles around consoles(unless a developer seriously botches the pc version)

a msg to the ignorant, if pc gaming were to die.. all progress as we know it would come to a halt. there is no way the console industrty can keep companies like amd, nvidia or intel alive.

if anything console gamer should appreciate the pcgamers who spend on the latest tech so that later on its passed down when a new console needs to be made.

microsoft and sony already make billions in losses, imagine if they actually had to fund the development of new gen chips if companies like nvidia or amd didnt exist, prices of consoles would surely be a lot higher then they are now.

[evrfighter]

lol'ing @ reviewsarepolitics

from the amount of hatred you have for pc gamers. you must have tried your hand at it and was laughed off the server.

I would have bought TombRaider: Among thieves for my ps3 but tomb raider is tomb raider.

[MNicholas]

Where those pictures came from:

http://www.heerkogroefsema....

[Blaine]

You are talking straight out of your a$$.

It's ok to have an opinion, but don't try to pass it off as fact, and don't believe your bs so much.

If PC gaming "were to die", "progress as we know it" would not come to a halt. There's more to high end PC components than gaming. You're forgetting the whole world outside of gaming, where people have jobs and some companies require extremely capable graphics processing technologies. AMD, Nvidia, and Intel wouldn't be relying on the console industry to "keep them alive". And, worse case scenario: the industry would *change*--not grind to a halt; keel over and die.

And I don't know where you get your financial data from (actually, I'm pretty sure those numbers are confidential, so you DON'T know them), but if Sony and Microsoft were "making billions in losses", they definitely would pull out of the gaming industry faster than the Nvidia Fermi can process that image. Also, when they partner up with other companies to incorporate their components into their consoles, they obviously pay for their development costs somehow, so console gamers are footing the bill for these "new gen chips".

I could go on and on, and my facts could be wrong themselves for all I know, but all I'm trying to say is: don't voice your opinions or unfounded convictions as facts.

[kaveti6616]

I envision a future where doctored videos will ruin the lives of many people. Especially since we are reaching an age where we can no longer distinguish what is real and what is a manipulation.

[Blaine]

That's a scary thought. We'll just have to stop relying on material evidence so much--especially the visual kind--and more on people's testimonies, like in the old days. Somehow, though, I don't see society making that change any time soon...

[KimoNoir]

They're fake pictures. The writer of the article just took pictures from a forum of real life guys in a movie and posted it on to compliment the hype.

[Khalids19]

WTH man this is just too much now! PS3 fanboys your out of the graphics competition now no Uncharted 2 Sh*t! anymore hahaaaaaaaaa

[ReviewsArePolitics]

Have fun playing this game... and by playing, I mean watching. And by watching, I mean watching pictures or videos from tech demoers, not rendered by your own PC.

Meanwhile, PS3 owners are playing Uncharted 2 right now, guaranteed fun and great graphics in one package.

lol @ disagreeing with facts

[Saaking]

Nobody every claimed UC2 looked better than Crysis. You can upgrade a PC as much as you want, thus it's obviously going to get better results than a 3 year old machine. UC2 still looks MILES ahead of anything on the 360 or Wii.

[snipermk0]

Agreed + bubbles to ya

[champ21]

@saaking

i completely agree UC2 looks way better then anything on the 360.. lets not even count the wii.

my brother recently got a 360 (god knows why.. hes mostly a ps3 gamer). both of us agreed the 360 was a waste of money. with gaylo being over hyped, we played the gears of war on the pc and still didnt like it(even though the pc version is better then the 360 version in everyway).

however lets not deny facts, we are at limits as long as graphics are concerned.. we wont see another leap in graphics until the next gen consoles arrive. UC3 might be out on the ps3 after 2 years, i wouldnt expect it to look much better then UC1 (which already is a great looking game considering the hardware its running on).

in the same regard since graphics progression has now become stagnant. anyone who even bought a g8800 gtx 2 years back no longer needs upgrades on a pc that old card still runs everything at 1080p just fine... a more powerful gpu isnt needed until someone wants to be gaming @ some insane resolution like 2560*1600.

[STONEY4]

"Have fun playing this game... and by playing, I mean watching. And by watching, I mean watching pictures or videos from tech demoers, not rendered by your own PC.

Meanwhile, PS3 owners are playing Uncharted 2 right now, guaranteed fun and great graphics in one package."

You can go on Counter-Strike or Team Fortress 2 and ask random people if they've seen Uncharted 2, and I garentee you alot of them will be like "what? what's that?" Most PC gamers honestly don't give a crap about console games. I have Uncharted 2, but that graphics aren't THAT good. There are alot of meh textures, jaggy shadows, collision bugs with Nate on other objects.

[ReviewsArePolitics]

So you are proving your point with the ignorance of PC fanboys? Who said Uncharted 2 is perfect? Uncharted 2 may not look like crysis but it is certainly more fun than anything available anywhere, reviews and gamers agree.

Oh and what is counter strike ? ;) lol j/k

Also lol @ mentioning CS on a graphics thread

[champ21]

same can be said about UC...

graphics thread and console just dont go together, it maybe be great on the hardware it runs.. but by no means can it be considered a graphics show piece.

[Blaine]

Sorry to be ragging on you again, but do you even know what you're talking about? I don't think you've even played Uncharted 2.

I've played the game inside and out, and I can tell you some parts are downright UGLY. Go on the train level and, instead of looking ahead and shooting your gun like you're supposed to, take a look at the trees going by. Behind a few modeled trees, you'll see an obvious static pasted background texture, and you'll even notice that as the physical edge of the level. It's a wall with a tree texture on it. It's hideous. But, on the other hand, some parts of the game ARE graphical showpieces for ANY console, PC included. In some areas (the temples, especially), the lighting, the textures, the animations, everything just comes together and create the most beautiful scenes I've ever seen in any video games on any hardware. Walk through the Tibetan village, it is jaw dropping.

Don't bash Uncharted's visuals just because they're on PS3, because like I said some of it is the best I've ever seen.

[ShiNe-Box-]

Uncharted 2 still looks better :D.

[TheDudeAbides]

even this gets thumbs up, PlayStation gets so much love here :)

[squidyj]

I mean, I rather hope to see cloud computing come in at some point, if implemented properly it won't be too onerous and it allows for a steady expansion of technical power.

Another fixed hardware generation of consoles probably won't even reach the level of quality we're seeing here, we have to recognize that tech demos are just that, they showcase a highlight reel to get everyone salivating over the new tech, in a proper game on the GT300 cards this is obviously impractical. Give it maybe 2 or 3 pc hardware generations before it becomes something that could feasibly be seen in an actual game.

The second thing is none of this is particularly impressive without the power to actually make it seem real, and by that I mean animation, creating the detailed face is one thing, but properly animating it so you don't wind up with some creepy machine man is something else.

[bozebo]

cloud computing for games/graphics?

what the hell are you on?

[deadm4n]

Screenshots were taken from this video:

http://www.onesize.nl/proje...

[TheMailman]

Deadm4n:

Don’t bother... this guy’s won´t even look at it. They only see what they want to see..

[MattOG711]

The future of technology is looking good. I do think we are going to hit a point within the next two generations though where the focus moves from textures to physics/interaction in enviornment.

Just my opinion

[sid4gamerfreak]

lol, ShiNe-Box-
Uncharted 2 looks better..... u gotta be kidding me... one of the thousand ignorant Ps3 fanboys in N4G. And this is just the demo. Wait till next year where thousands of pc games will kill Uncharted 2 graphically wise and gameplay wise

[silverchode]

lol u took what he said seriously

[sid4gamerfreak]

I can't believe there r still ignorant Ps3 fanboys commenting on this post.....Seriously, there r too many Ps3 fanboys... Why dont u guys go back and play Uncharted 2? Or had enough of it already??
Pc Gaming will always look better and play better than any console. Every REAL gamer knows that.

ReviewsArePolitics - is a perfect example of an ignorant blinded fanboy

[Extreme_Coolcat]

At least the two screenshots showing rendered heads. here is the appropriate video:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[NeoCloud]

Hey guys i saw this comment on the site, it says the Article is False.

Sorry but this article is false. "NVIDIA Fermi to have lifelike 3D, mobile GPUs soon."

These models were made with projected textures onto 3D geometry. See the official link here:

http://forums.cgsociety.org...

[3sq]

Real-life looking games are no different than watching movies. I'm more interested in art direction which gives games charm and attraction.

[psycho360]

THis technology and detail levels were already done if anybody had beleived PS2's pre_launch specs and projected stats by Ken and i mean PS2 not PS3.

On topic: The 210s and 220s are out so can't wait for G300 series to debut late 09 or early 2010.

Edit: FAKE. Its actual photos of persons used on CGI models.
http://www.vimeo.com/716059...

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

psycho360 if you think the CGI rendered heads in the PS2 tech demo's look real or even close to real life then you have some serious eye problems.

Go to SpecSavers (although I think it's too late)

[ReviewsArePolitics]

Psycho is still sore that PS2 beat uselessbox last gen lol who cares what a 360 fanboy mod thinks?

[sak500]

@ultimate

I think you need glasses i'm sure that was sarcasm in psychos comment.

@reviews
Maybe yes it beat flopbox last gen and it certainly is beating its newest brother Ps3 this gen.

[Pootangpie]

it's no wonder it's easy to tell why PS3 owners don't even game on the PC even the 360 which is way more powerful then that smoke and mirrors George foreman POS3 but smart gamers no no console can match The PC period

[CernaML]

Might want to retake a grammar class.

[Ripyealip]

omg that looks like real life. incredible

[bozebo]

Yeah but, theres no way those images were rendered at a possible frame rate for a game :/

[xg-ei8ht]

STONEY4

Always a problem isn't there.

I mean PC guys have an issue with consoles, not quite sure why.

I'm a pc guy, built so many of them, but at the end of the day, it does not matter how much graphics you have, it's how good the games are that use the graphics to immerse u.

Now here's the sticky part.

I played HL1,HL2,episode1&2 All excellent games.

Played Crysis,Bioshock,deadspace,stal ker,cod1&2 and 4 on PC.

I've got Grid on PC/

As you can clearly see, i've not got a problem with PC at all.

But i do have a problem with people that can't see the forest for the trees.

People do buy updated cards quite often, believing that there will be massive enhancements or games coming out that will push the boundaries of games.

This just isn't the case. Crysis has nice graphics full up, but where it works best is physics,story is bland. And to get Crysis looking the way it did, crytek had members from amd,nvidia,intel, a host of different companies trying to get their products performing well for the game, believing it would shift tons of products.

Here's where i am on PS3.

Most would be playing on a HDTV, and straight away if a game looks decent, it looks sweet on a big set.

You don't worry about configs,drivers,heat issues(360 owners are excused) you just play the game.

Uncharted 2 is a great looking game, that holds up to most. Realism wise Crysis wins. But other then the tons of foliage, it loses out in most area's. Namely story,acting,cover mechanics. Nano suit has it's perks though i know.

Do i think all PC games look fantastic, nope. Do i think all PS3 games look fantastic, nope. But i do believe you get more games that are worth playing and enjoyment over pc these days.

And i know plenty of PC gamers that were won over by UNCHARTED 2 and bought the system because of it.

One thing though i know for sure.

Because of the PS3,360. More higher class PC games are out and coming out, because developers can get their money back from big investments on PS3,360.

Like it or lump it, Console games are the way forward until such a time that the level of Hardware for the masses reaches a high enough point that all pc people can play the game, The way it's meant to be played.

[supremacy]

the way i see it?

consoles are becoming more like pcs, i mean back in the mid 90's all we talked about were bits on a console now? we talk graphics cards, cpus and such.

the cell processor was created from a top engineer engineer in the world, ibm is known for making super computers. to put it simply, the cell has many stages and upgrades to it, what the ps3 is currently using its a standard form of the cell, it isn't even whats in store at the ibm labs.

my take? i think eventually consoles will become just like pcs only more like macs with extra parts to assure longevity.

a console with multiple gpus and a super cpu with locked power until a certain amount of years to make available for developers.

i mean something like the failed phantom is what i see happening, you know a pc console hybrid type of entertainment system.

if anything these companies will start building extremely powerful consoles for 10 year runs, kinda like what Sony is currently doing. i don't know maybe that's how i see the gaming world going.

the console space is a big business, and maybe it is on purpose that they are created the way they are created, so that you have to go out and buy another, or else whats the point? same with pcs and graphics cards.i mean some pcs are just too old and need a whole new motherboard all together.

[DevastationEve]

The complexity of these graphics processors isn't making a videogame developer's job any easier. If gpu tech like this means having to wait 5 years between sequels (ff xiii since 2005) i think that console gaming should stop and take a look at itself.

Why does it always have to come back to how close to real something can be? Tim Burton's goal with Nightmare Before Christmas was to make something NEW and DIFFERENT. Claymation was a painstaking process that today can be done so much more easier that it must make Burton laugh at how hard he worked back then.

Gaming is doing the opposite...it's going from being fun and new to just being hard work. EXPENSIVE hard work. The games look great, but what's to stop developers from raising the price to $79.99 next gen...and it's already happening now.

[xg-ei8ht]

ApocalyPS3

I suppose Once you have a good Engine in place, you won't have much of a problem.

Take Uncharted 1&2, Nice graphical leap,no screentear,more action, tons of environments and completed much quicker.

Overall they wrote an engine completely for the PS3, and updated as they needed.

So now, when UC3 comes out, possibly this xmas(j/k)

You see a nice range of improvements and it won't take so long to do.

[Pootangpie]

and go back to anime land and **** your imaginary GF no one in the real world gives 2 ****'s about