EA to blame customers for Dead Space sales instead of themselves

Nintendo DPad writes: "We have all seen the numbers behind Dead Space Extraction, and frankly, they're horrible. Unfortunately, EA will in turn blame Wii customers for not buying into their mature title efforts."

[ndpad]

Really wish more third parties would take Wii seriously. It is no wonder third party sales are low on most games.

[nycredude]

They should have called it:

WiiSpace: Dead Extraction

I kid... I kid... Hmm...

[STK026]

they tried. Red Steel (decent), No more heroes (very fun, but wans't exactly good looking), MadWorld (fun, beautiful but black and white isn't for everyone), House of the dead Overkill (very fun, but short), The Conduit (nice visuals, good controls, but bland and the story was pretty bad), Dead Space Extraction (fun, good looking, but a rail shooter) and murasama (great game overall). But the thing is, none of these sold really well. Some did good, but not X360-good (saying X360 since it has the highest attach rate, or does it? argh, can't remember...). It's sad to say, but the market simply isn't there it would seem. Maybe it's because it's pretty easy to have backup games play on the Wii, or maybe because there's just too many kids and "casuals" owning Wiis, but either way, you have like 50 millions Wiis sold in the World, and most third party "core" games don'T reach the million mark. On the other hand, both the 360 and the PS3 have many third party games reaching the million mark, yet each has about half the market share that the Wii has.

[erathaol]

I like how the Wii continues to perplex developers/publishers. When considering Nintendo's history with their last 2 consoles and third party support its a very humorous twist of fate.

[slipkoRn]

If they were to make a sequel on hd consoles they have to put the black suit as their main or give the player options.

[AKNAA]

"EA needs to understand that Wii core owners are no different than those of Xbox or PS3 core owners, we all want quality."

LOL! Not up to wii fit standards I guess... what a shame I tell you.
those third party developers who made madworld, house of the dead and no more heroes are just as disappointing!! argh! they are so not taking wii titles seriously!!!

wii fit. wii sports. Nuff said! damn lazy a$$ developers.

p.s I will buy DS: extractions when it comes on the PS3 when their motion control is released.

[ABizzel1]

EA is right to blame the Wii audience, because they only buy Nintendo games. The majority of "Hardcore 3rd party title" have done horrible numbers on the Wii especially considering it has an install base of over 50 million (Resident Evil 4 being one of the few exceptions selling 1.6 million). No More Heroes considered one of the best games on the Wii only sold 500k which is good, but when you have 50 millions systems your game should be pushing 1 million easy.

The problem is for one Dead Space only did ok on the 360 and PS3 until the price was dropped to $40 and $30 which is when sales picked up. The Wii isn't the place for third parties, the PS3 and 360 are.

[edhe]

It's not the devs that aren't doing it right - it's the publishers.

Have you seen one advert for DSE on primetime? The wii audience watches more telly than browser windows. What they need to do is a two-part marketing campaign, 15 seconds each side of the ad break, on major shows that families watch.

Advertise that it's a Wii Exclusive, easy to play, coop experience and try to impart some of the dramatic tension of the game, not the graphics or the story.

[Redempteur]

" The original Dead Space was unable to pass the million mark on either of the HD consoles.
How successful did EA expect Extraction to be when making it on-rails? "

And if anyone know the answer, please tell me ...

[sikbeta]

EA, in order to get more sales next time try to put this titles:

Mario Space: Extraction
Luigi Space: Extraction
wii sports Space: Extraction
kirby Space: Extraction
pikachu Space: Extraction

IMO these titles sound better, but I don't think will sell better

Dead Mario: Extraction
Dead luigi: Extraction
Dead wii sport: Extraction
Dead kirby: Extraction
Dead pikachu: Extraction

[coolfool]

I have a few points:

The game reviewed pretty well.
The content is definitely mature.
I think "proper" hardcore gamers wouldn't have bought the wii anyway.
From a "real life" perspective, my friend has this game and absolutely loves it. He has no problem with the on-rails nature of it.

I guess I don't understand what the real problem is. For the most part the wii buyers really ARE a different demographic to PS3 and 360 buyers so why would you pretend it isn't?

[Isaac]

Half of Wii games sold with the Wii are Nintendo games. The fact that the Wii sells with Wii Sports doesn't help much, many casuals just get the Wii for that game and never buy another game again (let alone use their Wii). Others just buy it for exercising and maybe get an additional controller (that's what Wii Play is for). So basically Nintendo has those three game sales almost guaranteed, and if it's not those, then the Nintendo fanboys will get one of the dozens of Mario games that are available on the platform (Mario Galaxy, Paper Mario, Mario Galaxy 2, Mario Strikers, Mario and Sonic 1, New Super Mario Bros (LBP rip-off), Mario Kart Gamecube 1.5, Mario and Sonic 2, Mario Party, Smash Bros Melee 1.5, etcetera), and maybe Zelda, Pokemon and Metroid. Then the rest is basically for those third party ports from last-gen franchises (Resident Evil, Okami, Bully) or established franchises (Call of Duty, Rockband, Guitar Hero) and shovelware (games that imitate the Wii brand like "Active" from ea or more Wii crap). What are they left with? New IP for hardcore games that flops because no serious gamer buys a Wii.

The fact that the Wii has a negligible amount of internal flash memory, and the virtual console and Wii Ware can't be anything other than Epic fails.

I sometimes wonder if Nintendo would make more money by going multiplatform, that way they would save R&D in making consoles, they would have a huge install base with all platforms, and they could sell their add-ons/accessories the same way EA and Activision sell theirs with their games. I also doubt they would make crappy ports for other consoles, they would most likely take advantage of the hardware they would use. I would love to see what Miyamoto would be capable of doing with 50GB Blu-ray, cell processor and a new add-on of his choice for the Zelda franchise.

[ChickeyCantor]

" New Super Mario Bros (LBP rip-off)"

O the irony.... HAHAHAHA.

" The fact that the Wii has a negligible amount of internal flash memory, and the virtual console and Wii Ware can't be anything other than Epic fails. "

It goes up to 32Gb, of course if you buy one of them SD-cards.
And i dont see how those 2 service's are "epic fail".

You sure you dont have the fanboy gene?
Well onwards you go, Sony is waiting for you soldier!

[flash74]

I really enjoyed the first Dead Space on the 360, and I lok forward to any future installments like that. I will admit though, I have absolutely no interest in any on-the-rails shooter. Those games just flat out don't appeal to the masses. The only time they ever see play is at an arcade like House of the Dead series. Why they choose to blame Wii players for there lack of success is a joke. Port it to the PS3 and the 360, and the sales will flop there too. What a shame that all that time and effort was wasted rather than using it to make a sequel to the first one.

[dabri5]

Miyamoto would probably make a game about jogging or something. It would use not even 1/30th of the space provided by BlueRay and would probably run off a DS game engine.

Face it. Miyamoto has stated this himself. He doesn't care about games anymore. He is more interested in toys. This is exactly why you see the accessory happy Wii.

I'm not saying the guy knows how to make some money, but if you think he would crank out something special with better hardware, you are wrong. He just doesn't care about that stuff. He especially doesn't care about cranking out as much as he can from hardware.

[ChickeyCantor]

Actually catguy,
If you read miyamoto's interviews its clearly obvious he sometimes points out( but in a subtle way) that he is also frustrated due the Specs of the Wii. Any developer wants to have more power to expand their ideas.

And he has been making games for years, saying he doesn't care seems a bit out of this world.

" but if you think he would crank out something special with better hardware, you are wrong."

Actually you are wrong, he clearly stated in his last interview that he will make use of the hardware at hand.
Its also up to the Art-directors and such to put out a good final product not just miyamoto, gamedesign/development is pretty broad you know.

[otherZinc]

I've purchased every EA sports game since 1989. Now, I wont buy **** until everyone can make an NFL Football game.

**** all EA Games until that contract is over!

[thesummerofgeorge]

they knew it was a risk, unless they're oblivious to the fact that the wii is the tricycle of gaming consoles, so noone's really to blame, it just didn't work out... but if anyone were to blame, it's not little 7 year old timmy's mom for not buying him dead space.

[Isaac]

Wow, you addressed nothing with your mindless "HAHAAHAHAHAHAHA". The new mario that's coming out has plenty of similarities to LBP, like the fact that it's a co-op platformer. Sure, Mario invented platformers, but LBP invented create/share/play.

Also, how many of those Wii's actually have 32 GB on them? Most have somewhere between 512MB-2GB. Even 32GB is too little, that's why Sony and Microsoft are selling 120-250GB storage solutions.

Are you sure you don't have the fanboy gene yourself? *looks at comment history* *Nintendo fanboy confirmed*

I never denied having a preference; but I love Nintendo games and I'm sure Nintendo and everybody else would do better if Nintendo was a multiplatform company (not just software because they could sell a sh1tload of peripherals).

[ChickeyCantor]

"Wow, you addressed nothing with your mindless "

Actually i addressed something with the "irony" part.
If you truly believe NSMBWII is a LBP rip-off i suggest you jump out of the window now.

" Even 32GB is too little, that's why Sony and Microsoft are selling 120-250GB storage solutions. "

Wii's content does not go up to 1080P,games do not take gigs of data, therefor the 32GB will suffice.

[ReviewsArePolitics]

@Isaac, almost completely agree with you, except I own a Wii and I buy many of the games that don't sell that much. I am probably one of the less than 100,000 on the Wii though...

@Sidar, you still failed to address the dozens of valid points Isaac brought to the table, so your "laugh" is still a pitiful attempt at... whatever you were trying to accomplish, lol. Did you not have anything better to say?

Oh, and how many of those Wii owners have a 32GB? So since Wii isn't HD, it doesn't need as much storage? Not everything related with storage has to do with resolution. And again, how many have MORE than 512 MB or 2GB? You fail.

"If you truly believe NSMBWII is a LBP rip-off i suggest you jump out of the window now. "

Instead of addressing Isaac's point, or acknowledging any similarities, you resort to this? And you call others fanboys? lmao

[corneliuscrust]

Sidar is saying it is IRONIC because you're saying Mario (amongst the ORIGINS of platforming) is ripping off LBP.

And he's laughing because it's pretty funny that anyone could seriously think that at all. If you are hinting at the simultaneous multiplayer aspect, New Super Mario Bros had that on DS... there's not really much ground to stand on if you're saying a MARIO game is a rip of a recent platformer

[Pika-pie]

If you cant play it with your Grandma then it wont sell on Wii. Its a totally different market, all the hardcore gamers who purchased a Wii at launch have now moved onto the PS3/360. Nintendo know this... they dont care seen as how they are making millions.

EA would have more look with a sports game that uses the balance board

[ReviewsArePolitics]

"Sidar is saying it is IRONIC because you're saying Mario (amongst the ORIGINS of platforming) is ripping off LBP."

So, since miyamoto is out of ideas, ITS OK to rip-off of other's ideas because, by inventing a genre, he owns it now and can take ideas from anyone without giving credit, right? That's pretty dumb. THAT is the irony, that Mario is now taking ideas from games in its genre (sort of, though Mario is not giving you a level editor and allowing you to share your creations), not that anyone says Mario is taking from others, because *that's what is actually happening*; and it's ok, all games borrow from other games. It's not the first time though, Mario also took ideas from Ratchet and Clank's spherical worlds, something Nintendo fanboys in a Wii article will never admit.

"there's not really much ground to stand on if you're saying a MARIO game is a rip of a recent platformer "

Uh, yes there is. It's stupid from sidar to imply that Mario is completely original and that Nintendo (or Miyamoto) don't have to give any credit to other games. Have they ever given any credit to anyone? Sony and Microsoft have credited Nintendo with innovating and restarting the industry; but I don't recall Nintendo giving Kudos to Microsoft for innovating in the online space or to Sony for expanding to frontiers that Nintendo was never able to tap with its home consoles, be it with marketshare, sales, technology or cinematics in games.

So funny how all the Nintendo fanboys think Nintendo invented everything and therefore can take ideas without giving credit.

Edit:

@below, lulz at you getting all emotional over this. I understand YOUR point about calling it ironic, but the irony isn't so much of him calling Mario a LBP rip-off, but rather, the fact that Mario now borrows gameplay elements from LBP and Ratchet. I don't think he meant Mario is a rip-off of LBP, simply a few gameplay elements (like 4-player co-op), which is true. You seem to not have many good ideas to get your point across, just resort to ad-hominems and violent wishes.

"Multiplayer has always been there, no matter what game.
In no way is NSMBWii a rip-off.

LBP fans are taking it to a new dimension its pathetic."

Uh, 4-player online Co-op was always there? In 2D mario games? Before LBP? That's news.

"No thats what your angered fanboy mind thinks."

Not really, that's how you guys act. Also see how you Nintendo fans credit Nintendo with a lot more than they really did, but always fail to mention that they were a constricting monopoly in the late 80s. Nintendo fanboys also justified cartridges back then and Gamecube's minidiscs, and wii's lack of horsepower.

"No one here claimed Nintendo invented everything, but MULTIPLAYER can NOT be ripped off in any concept since its been there since the beginning of gaming."

Mention 4 player online co-op 2D multiplatformers before LBP then

"If you want Miyamoto to credit Media mole, then Media Molecule should credit those who made 4player games on the NES( yes some NES games supported 4 players) or any other system that did that."

I dont' care if he does, but you guys fail to acknowledge any other games (because you don't play anything that isn't Nintendo apparently). Why would Media Molecule need to acknowledge him? So he has to wait for them to acknowledge that? lol, Miyamoto has initiative, but whatever, don't go off the tangent here. The point is that Nintendo is not 100% original like you want to think, they do borrow ideas from others just like others do from them. It's the nature of everyone, not just the games industry.

Anyway, to stay on topic, I think EA simply failed to aim to anyone in particular with this game. The (extremely few) hardcore gamers in the Wii population probably didn't give a sh1t about this one as the system is flooded with on-rails shooters. Also, it's just a spin-off of the original.

[ChickeyCantor]

" Did you not have anything better to say? "

If you seriously dont understand the irony of him saying that LBP is a Mario rip-off than, you too jump out of a freaking window.

" So, since miyamoto is out of ideas, ITS OK to rip-off of other's ideas because, by inventing a genre,"

Multiplayer has always been there, no matter what game.
In no way is NSMBWii a rip-off.

LBP fans are taking it to a new dimension its pathetic.

" So funny how all the Nintendo fanboys think Nintendo invented everything"

No thats what your angered fanboy mind thinks.
No one here claimed Nintendo invented everything, but MULTIPLAYER can NOT be ripped off in any concept since its been there since the beginning of gaming.

If you want Miyamoto to credit Media Molecule, then Media Molecule should credit those who made 4player games on the NES( yes some NES games supported 4 players) or any other system that did that.

Sounds stupid doesn't it?

" , the fact that Mario now borrows gameplay elements from LBP and Ratchet."

Like what? LMAO.

" I don't think he meant Mario is a rip-off of LBP, simply a few gameplay elements (like 4-player co-op)"

you can not rip-off multiplayer.
Thats the most ignorant BS someone ever said. If Nintendo should credit for that, than MM should credit their 4 player support from other companies. Its that simple.

[ReviewsArePolitics]

"you can not rip-off multiplayer.
Thats the most ignorant BS someone ever said. If Nintendo should credit for that, than MM should credit their 4 player support from other companies. Its that simple."

Uh, when did I say MM "invented multiplayer"? I said MM brought 4 person multiplayer co-op to 2D platformers. It's not really the same thing as saying that MM brought more than 1 person together in gaming. You Nintendo guys love to quote out of context and to set up straw men arguments.

Prove arguments wrong that I didn't bring in the first place don't help your point.

"Like what? LMAO."

Funny you call others ignorant when you don't know anything and can't even do a little research yourself. Nintendo thinks Mario Galaxy is original because of Spherical worlds when they were available before on 3D platformers, namely R&C.

Also, I just told you how Nintendo borrowed from LBP, it's patently obvious. It doesn't matter if Nintendo didn't "take a look" (how could anyone tell?), but if you knew anything about anything, you'd know that in all media forms, those that came before with any innovation are credited with the innovation, even if later devs didn't bother to "take a look".

Also, why do Nintendo fanboys never give the F*** up. Just admit you are wrong and that's it. Or is your conviction so strong that you can't see the truth as it is? I know you have the reputation of being the biggest Nintendo fanboy in here (even if they are almost non-existent nowadays), but I am willing to dispute that and see if you are actually reasonable.

[ChickeyCantor]

" I said MM brought 4 person multiplayer co-op to 2D platformers."

A yes cause Ideas never were made before any productions at all!!
No it only exists after a game does it!!! LOL.

" Funny you call others ignorant when you don't know anything and can't even do a little research yourself. Nintendo thinks Mario Galaxy is original because of Spherical worlds when they were available before on 3D platformers, namely R&C. "

Aaaaah yes cause New super mario bros Wii does Galaxy!!
LOL

" Also, why do Nintendo fanboys never give the F*** up. Just admit you are wrong and that's it. "

The question should be, why do people like you think others are always wrong.

The fact that you think you are " right", you actually believe im being unreasonable. It doesn't work like that sally.

" Why would Media Molecule need to acknowledge him? So he has to wait for them to acknowledge that?"

Where did i say " him" , i said the companies for using 4 player multiplayer.

" Mention 4 player online co-op 2D multiplatformers before LBP then "

Count the games that supported 4 player.
How is that any different? Just because they are both platformers, doesn't mean its a "rip-off". If we go by that then LBP is 90% a rip-off from Super mario Bros on the NES.

" Uh, 4-player online Co-op was always there? In 2D mario games? Before LBP? That's news.
"
No multiplayer has always been there concept wise, and NSMBWii isn't even online.
So your point on saying its a LBP-rip off only makes less sense now.

" (because you don't play anything that isn't Nintendo apparently)."

I own the game, LBP that is, and i played NSMBWii at a game event...sorry buddy LBP sucks compared to it.
So even if its a rip-off, Nintendo is apparently doing a better job at it.
LMAO.

The multiplayer aspects are also different compared to LBP.
THEY PLAY DIFFERENT.
I know, i played both games. You cant say i didn't =D.

[ReviewsArePolitics]

"A yes cause Ideas never were made before any productions at all!!
No it only exists after a game does it!!! LOL."

Anyone can claim "oh, we thought that before". Nobody said the idea exists after a game does it, what was said that nobody did it before, therefore whoever did it afterwards should never claim their idea is original, even if they think they thought it before (because there's really no way to prove that).

"Aaaaah yes cause New super mario bros Wii does Galaxy!!
LOL"

Point missed, another fail. Nintendo borrows ideas from other games, it does not necessarily have to be for New Super Mario Bros Wii. Are you even trying to win an argument?

"The question should be, why do people like you think others are always wrong."

Not really, but you have no point this time.

"The fact that you think you are " right", you actually believe im being unreasonable. It doesn't work like that sally."

Uh, you are proving you are unreasonable, silly.

"Where did i say " him" , i said the companies for using 4 player multiplayer."

Uh, you failed yet again: 4 player online co-op 2D multiplatformers, not 4 players.

"Count the games that supported 4 player.
How is that any different?"

4 player is generic and has been done already by dozens of games. It's a given in most multiplayer games that you'll be able to play with even much more than that. All the features that LBP does in a single package is pretty new, and Nintendo is borrowing something (not that it's bad or anything, everyone does, but Nintendo fanboys don't want to admit it because in their view Nintendo are gods among men when in reality they just make some truly great games that take about 3 to 5 years to be made, each. Quick fact: LBP was announced in March 2007, almost 3 years before New Super Mario Bros Wii, enough time for Nintendo to "incorporate" something into their game(s)).

"Just because they are both platformers, doesn't mean its a "rip-off"."

The "rip-off" or the borrowed idea would be everything NEW that LBP is doing, NOT EVERYTHING, but you fanboys love to jump the gun so quickly because god forbid anyone speaking wrong about Nintendo or you flip out.

"If we go by that then LBP is 90% a rip-off from Super mario Bros on the NES."

Not really. Creating a game that lets you create and share levels with so many dynamic features, online 4-player co-op, not to mention the aesthetics of the game are too different and much more ambitious.

"No multiplayer has always been there concept wise, and NSMBWii isn't even online. So your point on saying its a LBP-rip off only makes less sense now."

Actually, that only helps my point, considering Nintendo couldn't even pull that off, so they had to only partially borrow. So they basically had to make the co-op offline (which can be done on LBP), but couldn't take it online. How could they not, considering online gaming is pretty standard today. That's why Nintendo makes a profit, because they underdeliver and you guys are all over it.

Also, you still fail to address other 4-player co-op 2D platformers before LBP, especially ones made by Nintendo. So you fail, yet again.

" (because you don't play anything that isn't Nintendo apparently)."

"I own the game, LBP that is, and i played NSMBWii at a game event...sorry buddy LBP sucks compared to it."

Not according to most gamers and the few respectable critics left. LBP is one of the best rated games this gen anyway and has brought to the table a lot more than Nintendo has with any of its games THIS gen. NSMBWii? Not that much.

"So even if its a rip-off, Nintendo is apparently doing a better job at it.
LMAO."

Only to you. Laughing in your own delusion again?

"The multiplayer aspects are also different than in LBP.
I know, i played both games. "

Nobody said they are equal, but Nintendo did borrow some ideas, or at least somebody did it before them, but hopefully Miyamoto won't belittle other developers as he has done before by feeling "flattered" even though some of his games have flattered other devs.

Nintendo borrows some ideas, get over it.

[PhDInParapsychology]

Making this an on-the-rails shooter really was a terrible move. The original Dead Space was great and this could have made such a good companion piece. If this had been third person it would have been a day one purchase for me; instead I'm going to wait until this gets clearanced 75% off at Target. Shouldn't take long at all the way it is selling. Nice to see another developer blaming the consumer. Because not really marketing the game was a brilliant decision, right EA?

[The Lazy One]

It would have controlled like crap as a third person shooter. Really an on rails experience will play better on the wii.

I'm surprised so many people are so upset. This really does look like one of the best on-rails games I've ever seen in arcades or on consoles.

[OpenGL]

Does anyone honestly prefer rail shooters to the 3rd person survival horror style seen in the PS3/360/PC versions?

[n4f]

on rail is just laziness
the original dead space control like resident evil
resident evil 4 on wii sold well because it was a good game and had WAY better control
so saying that on-rail would be a good idea and saying it was a guided shooter it laziness to me

[PhDInParapsychology]

@ The Lazy One - There's no reason 3rd person conrols wouldn't work on Wii. Walk around with the nunchuk, swing the remote left to right to melee, up and down to curb stomp, press C to zoom in when you need to shoot. B to shoot, A for alternate fire. Really could have been a great experience. It is a good rails shooter, but it's not as great of an experience as it could be.

[mastiffchild]

Yes, Dr.Laztone can't hacve played the sumptuously controlled RE4 Wii edition if he think's DS in Wii wouldn't have worked off rails.

To me the success of that port is what really shows Capcom up for being lazy over recent Wii games ion that and other series(Wii makes and rails shooters FFS and weak demi ports like CTRD alongside another old gem orted well in Okami. Only MH3 and it's online Japanese cashcow got any real love and that's a fact, sadly, e.g why no SFWii?

Sadly EA have really followed suit after the DS team REALLY id their best for us all and didn't either push the game via ads or manage to get Ninty to push it on the Wii Channel/Shopping Channel as the could do with any big Wii games like PSN or Live do for their platforms. I always say that the lack of Wii demos available kills a lot of games on the console esp when you think a lot of Wii gamers know sod all about what's coming or what a certin game they never heard of might be like.

Sales of REsi4 show hw big the potential market is for "core" games on Wii but noone has EVER gone after it properly-not even WaW advertised like other platforms, did it? That game sold well inn the end but only through it's name and word of mouth I'm afraid which is exactly how The Conduit and Madworld managed to die practically before they were born. Same for NMH and Okami(again!). I think a change in attitude from Nintendo is needed to get 3rd party(and even some of their own)mature titles selling(and possibly help keep the new Wii gamers on Wii/Ninty consoles as their tastes grow rather than them leaving for more mature offerings on the HD twins).

Most "core" gamers knew Extraction was good but offered little replay as a RAILS SHOOTER(the big mistake IMO was making another one of them)and many other new Wii gamers just won't know what it is, how it plays or what a Rails shooter even is. Ninty and their 3rd party devs need to be there to educate the changing tastes of their new demographic of gamer if they want them gaming on Wii(or whatever comes next from the big N)in the middle future.IMO abviously.

[The Lazy One]

and how do you look up and down or turn sideways? There's a reason nobody uses the Dpad for movement anymore.

either way, the game isn't lazy. It's literally the best looking game in an entire genre in a long time. It's a different experience than dead space was originally, and there's no reason that's a bad thing. A good game is a good game because it's fun, and I'd rather have a great rail shooter than a crappy third person shooter any day.

I'd bet nobody here has even played it yet.

[ChickeyCantor]

" on rail is just laziness "

Im not a developer, but it really pisses me off how "gamers" think they know so F'much about concepts and actual production.

Why don't you go try and turn a concept into an on rail shooter without loosing the vibe of the original settings.
Apparently they did a great job on translating the scenario's into gameplay. Many reviewers have stated that its a great addition to DEAD SPACE.

Doesn't seem like a "lazy" production at all.

" and how do you look up and down or turn sideways? There's a reason nobody uses the Dpad for movement anymore. "

You can always use the IR for your aiming/camera controls. Not just in First person views but also in third person views.

If they give it the ability to be customized like in The Conduit (or other FPS upcoming titles) then i think it would work great.
(I think these kinds of control would work better in TPS than FPS honestly, the aiming dynamics are more clear. Btw RE4 did it too remember, but that one was restricted to its original concept, shoot while standing...but it should also work while you are running)

[dabri5]

You are actually way off on your assumptions the developer was just lazy. They made the choice to put the game on rails so that they limited the user view to exactly where they want it at all times. This allowed this to push more polygons/ effects on screen at once. They made the mistake most 3rd party devs are making with the Wii. They concentrate on making the game look just as good as a 360 / Ps3 game.
What they don't get is even if thy max out the Wii hardware, it will only look like a really lame 360/ PS3 game. People aren't impressed. If you want your game to be successful on the Wii, there has to be a cool gimmick/ new way to use your Wii mote to get peoples attention.

It's why I feel the Wii fails as a system for anyone BUT nintendo. It requires every developer to think of some new way to use a dumb controller. Yeah, you can be rewarded with great game sales if you do but the thing is, there are only so many ways you can use the Wii mote and odds are, if you think of a good way to use it in a game, its either:

A: too gimicky that its only viable for short amount of time like a wario ware style game

B: Already being used by one of Nintendo's games thus making your idea seem like a ripoff and unoriginal.

Nintendo didn't plan on this console being successful because of the games. If they did, they wouldof sold the Wii hardware at a loss like every console maker does at first and then made the money back through its software. Nintendo instead took the Wii and sold it for a profit guaranteeing that even if they could just push the console on people and no games sold (hmm sound familiar?) they would still make a killer profit which they have been doing. In fact they have done so well with this model, that instead of thinking about what great game they can release next, it's become, what awesome accessory can we release next at a ridiculous price?

[The Lazy One]

He was already using the IR for melee attacks.

[frostypants]

Obviously it was made on-the-rails because of the Wii's inferior horsepower. They couldn't create the atmosphere they wanted without a certain level of graphics detail, and that was only possible by removing a degree of player freedom (thereby strictly controlling the environment, meaning less processing).

They could have watered down the graphics, but Dead Space is all about atmosphere, and perhaps they felt that they couldn't maintain it sufficiently with the degree of graphical-nerfing that would be required for a non-rails game.

Face it, people. The Wii is a current-gen system by timeframe only. Processing-wise, it is a generation behind, and developers just can't achieve what they need out of its hardware. It's a party-game system, with a (very) few solid exceptions, but exceptions nonetheless.

[ChickeyCantor]

"He was already using the IR for melee attacks."

Therefor they need to rethink their control scheme, if it were to be a Third person shooter than the controls would have been matched to it.

[Smacktard]

protip: develop a NOT railshooter.

[FiftyFourPointTwo]

Solution: Once the PSWand is out, make a PS3 version.

[OpenGL]

Please don't, unless it's like a $10 PSN title.

[DoctorXpro]

If the game was on PC/PS3/360 I'm sure EA would be whit a better smile.

[phantomexe]

I love the ps3 but you are a ps3 fanboy, your no gamer dead space for the wii was great.I played it at a friends and had to go out and buy it.Fact is no On-rails shooter going show up on the ps3 that ps3 owners like myself are going buy and the same goes for the 360!So why should EA expect wii owners to be all about buying it? It is a good game but it's still on-rails and because EA like maney other companys on the wii are to lazy to make a game FPS or 3rd,instead the wii gets more on-rails shooters.Its lazy sh** that you cannot blame the hardware for,look at the conduit, new IP and look at how well it sells are to this day.EA made a good on-rail but that all it is a ON-RAIL.

[mastiffchild]

Yeah, few ads, no demo(ever, thanks Ninty-if I owned a third party dev house the lack of chances for demos on the Wii would dissuade me from makingnew IP on that platform tbh-except maybe for WiiWare at really low costs but with the bit of support the shopping and other channels give those games)and a poor pricing policy make me wonder just how they(EA) ever thought it would sell on the Wii.

As, say, a premium WiiWare title(ignoring storage for the sake of this comarison and argument)at £17.50 or thereabouts it could have been a real goer-maybe with some online co-op. However just how much better would it sell as a similar package with thw Wands on PSN for example? With the decent(by comparison) number of DS fans already on the platform AND the natural fit for it as a PSN title I can see it doing REALLY well myself and the damn same on Live with Natal.

I would say that over 70% of Wii owners , to thisvery day, are unaware of Dead Space: Extraction's existence. Of those that have heard of it how many will have much of a clue what it is? About half? And of the rest how many would know what a rails shooter was?

It never had a hope in sales terms as EA didn't take notice of how or why other good mature Wii titles failed to sell so why they bothered with half an experiment IDK. There wnon't be more of them, however, and it signals the end of EA's mature ambition for the console even though it's ALL their fault.

The Conduit failed to sell as it was a relatively inknown dev and to the more interested who followed development a little the game just failed to reach it's goals and, frankly, was a bit of a let down and a mature Wii game needs to be RE4 quality to sell it would seem-or at least COD! Maybe HVS and Sega can pull it off next time round but this sales thing on Wii is a prickly subject and I don't think Ninty themselves help these games succeed in any way on their consoles and one day they will need them, and games like them, to really succeeed when many gamers brought to the hobby by the Wii syaty looking for deeper gaming experiences on a more regular basis-and lots of them will , imo, as we all start as a casual gamer don't we?

Bottom line though-EA let their devs down and now blame gamers(many of whom they failed to even tell about this game)for their idiocy and shortsightedness when they could have offloaded a little at Ninty's door if they didn't want all the bad karma.

Sadly, though, however good and innovative Extraction is in places (and AS A lightgun shooter)ot was never the game to ignite sales in thisarea for EA and Wii.

[duysmith]

EA = fail

except for ssx series

[S4NDM4N]

read my reply to Diffusion.

EA is different this gen

[DiffusionE]

Same old EA, blaming customers when their half-assed products fail.

[RememberThe357]

just look the game up on N4G, it has an 8.4 meta rating. That is far from bad; quite good actually.

I think that the Wii's hardcore audience is just really small. EA shouldn't have made the game to begin with. It was a waist of resources that they could have used on the PS360.

[S4NDM4N]

Wow, half-assed products?

I'm sorry didn't they take new risks in new IPs like Mirror's Edge? Dead Space? Boom Blox? Skate? EA has been incredible this gen. Everyone has that same stupid mentality that they think nobody can change.

EA has published: Left 4 Dead, BF: Bad Company, Boom Blox, Dead Space, Need for Speed Shift, FIFA 10, NHL 10, NBA Live 10, Skate, Burnout Paradise, The Sims 3, Crysis, Rock Band and Spore.

All those games are good/great. FIFA 10 and NHL 10 are considered the best sports games of all time in their respective sports. And NBA Live 10 has finally caught up with 2K.

And who was it to blame for DS: Exctraction? Obviously customers. How many 3rd party games have sold terribly? This isn't an anamoly. This is recurring constantly.

And btw, I highly recommend DS: Extraction. It is a rails shooter, but it doesn't necessarily feel like one to be honest. Very well done. You are missing out a gem

[ndpad]

The game is not half-assed, it is executed greatly.

"How many 3rd party games have sold terribly? This isn't an anamoly."
You honestly don't care that instead of a RE5 Wii owners get a rail shooter? You don't care that instead of a true FF we get a Crystal Chronicles title? You don't care that instead of a true Need for Speed we get a Burnout wannabe? Instead of a CoD:W@W 2 we get a port of a 3 year old game, and you expect Wii owners to take that and be happy knowing developers really don't care while they put their second and third string teams on games for Wii?

Great titles sell awesome on Wii. Tiger Woods and Grand Slam Tennis were taking seriously and they were very good titles for EA in terms of sales. Monster Hunter 3 is also great and has almost passed the million mark in Japan alone (which passing the million mark on a consoel in Japan is actually a very hard task).

Wii owners understand that they get the "left overs" from most developers and publishers even though they are the market share leaders. When has a market leader had such bad support? You don't think that low core sales could be due to the fact that most publishers don't take Wii seriously?

EA has done great this year for Wii in terms of sports games I think, but to say they didn't do all they could for Extraction is just being naive.

[Brasi82]

Rail Shooters fail unless they are already an established franchise and for a game that didn't sell a million copies on either of the HD systems is just plain stupid to expect big numbers on the Wii. EA you disappoint me as I love Dead Space however your lazy effort to make it into a Rail Shooter was a huge mistake. BTW everyone who says mature games on the Wii doesn't sell; think again as the only AAA Wii mature game was Resident Evil 4, it sold over a million, and it was a port. Can we say lack of effort? BTW The Conduit > Halo 3 (Just my honest opinoin)

[S4NDM4N]

I have a question. Why are you judging a game you have yet to play or even read the actual review?

It doesn't play like any other rail shooter out there. It is probably the most polished rail shooter I've ever played, and it isn't like those lame Resident Evil rail shooters. It has the dead space style of gameplay.

I highly recommend trying it out and then giving your opinion on it, because otherwise I'd classify you as the same class as fanboys who judge games when they don't even know much about it

[Product]

Sad to because when it was first announced, everyone wanted it. When it was announced to be a rail shooter, no one cared anymore. EA wake up!

[ActionBastard]

I don't know. Like House of the Dead, most reviewers looked past it being on rails and enjoyed the game. It is good and, while I agree it was a bad move to put it on rails, I don't think that is why it sold so poorly. This happens all the time. Hell, Muramasa sold 35k while Mario Cart is selling like it was actually good. Wii owners don't want 360/PS3 type experiences.

EDIT: I think that the decision to take a stunning looking game like Dead Space, make it on rails so the graphic quality can at least be a stand out Wii title was why it was rails to begin with. Gamers aren't turned off by rail shooters (as proven by HoD) and no, they have never been a COD type of seller. All I hear, is b1tching about no "hardcore" games on the Wii, yet when good one are released, they're ignored. Publishers don't make an effort? EA has. Capcom has. Sega has. And Vanilliaware developed Muramasa and Ignition published it. Atlus's marketing has nothing to do with it.

[ndpad]

You are comparing House of the Dead which has always been an in your face rail shooter, to a third person shooter that EA changed to a rail shooter to try and make a profit like Capcom did with its Resident Evil series because they didn't have faith in the Wii core market.

How are core Wii owners supposed to exist when publishers don't make an effort to try and please them with their best franchises and ideas?

Muramasa is a different breed because Ignition doesn't have the money to really market the game like a company like EA, Activision, Capcom, etc.

" don't think that is why it sold so poorly."
You honestly think the lightgun genre is as popular as the third person shooter genre? You think Metal Gear Solid would sell if it had been a rail shooter?

[finbars75]

Its crappy.Its nothing like the original dead space which was out for the xbox and ps3.Not scary at its like they dropped alot of the dark and dengy to lighted areas everywheres.Even the characters look horrible.Not graphics but his suit looks like crap.No offense but keep mature games away from the wii.If you cant do what it original was meant for then dont bother wasting our time.

[Product]

No, the atmosphere was there and Extraction felt like a Dead Space game, just not being able to control your character is a gimped and dumbed down game mechanic.

The thing about the original DS was that you didn't want to go through that door because you were scared to see what was on the other side. This game just throws you in and you never really have time to feel that desperation you feel when exploring the Ishimura.

[Brasi82]

It is a good game however people need to realize that Christmas is right around the corner and nobody buys Rail Shooters, they rent them

[ActionBastard]

Have you played DSE? It is VERY good, on rails or not. EA should blame the customers. With a gajillion Wiis all over the world, only 9000 sold. That's a damn shame. Dead Space was one of my favorite games last year and DSE adds so much to the lore (if you're a fan). All I can hope for is a PS3 port. That's all any 3rd party Wii dev can hope for.

[SuperStrokey1123]

Agreed, this isnt EA's fault. It really is the lame customers on the wii's. The game is good and the game is fun.

[mastiffchild]

BUT-they didn't market it well and as a new IP to the Wii the majority of Wii owners won't even know it exists even now! Most console game sales are those for sequels and annuals like COD or PES and, in Wii's case RE. With no demo for DSE and no advertsing to speak of AND lightgun shooters to spare AND still to come EA picked a fight then even after their devs made a great rail shooter didn't try to land the punch, imo.

Problems included letting down many who DID know about the game by taking it on rails and then there;s the eternal pricing of this kind of game0they offr very little reason to play through again. RE gets away with it(lazily but effectively somehow) by pressing core gamers "oh I remember that" nostalgia/lore buttons and even that wasn't a goer for Extraction. A rails shooter wasn't ever going to be a big seller and had no chance if it wasn't getting a MASIVE campaign to boost it.

With a demo and a cheaper price tah from launch? Maybe, but not as they went about it. They can't blame the Wii gamer if most of them have no idea what it is and those that did were mostly looking forward to something that WASN'T a bloody rails shooter-however well done(and it is a great game for it's genre imo-I really liked it but it isn't a patch on the PS360 game)and not at full retail either. There just isn't enough content in rails shooters, imo, for full prices-hence the awful TC4 fail on PS3(FFS HOW MUCH!?)with that awfl orange effort.

[zerocrossing]

that many 3rd party games for the wii are just plane terrible, its not the wii's fault look at zelda tp, metroid corruption and mario galaxy there all awesome that alone shows its got great potential, the problem is many 3rd party developers make crappy games for the wii knowing that they realy dont need to try hard at all, since the wii's reputation in the minds of hard core gamers is durt no point risking it making a great game when you can earn of a ok game, 3rd party developers could do some great things with the wii sadly not none of them can be bothered to try something new.

[S4NDM4N]

*facepalm*

Zack and Wiki

Deadly Creatures

MadWorld

House of the Dead Overkill

PES 2009

PGA Tour 10

Dawn of Discovery

Boom Blox Bash Party

de Blob

etc..

[Somnipotent]

Hardcore gamers avoid the wii like the plague. Enough said.

[ndpad]

Thing is even Xbox/PS3 gamers who owned a Wii were excited because they thought EA was creating a true prequel to the game they played last year with enhanced controls. All support from those fans were lost when they announced it to be on-rails.

Visceral did a great job, the game is fantastic, just it is hard to really appreciate the game when we all wanted, and all should have got, a third person Dead Space on Wii.

[Somnipotent]

i have all three systems appreciate them for their individual offerings. regardless of the name attached to the box, there comes a mental stigma in regards to the wii that the game is going is gonna be all waggle no wow. i haven't been too excited about anything on the wii since smg and mario kart. not hating on the wii, but 3rd party developers are going to have a hell of time breaking even let alone making any money on it.

[iceman06]

This is the double-edged sword of the Wii. It has been MARKETED and LAUDED as a casual game system. It has SOLD to a market of casual gamers. Nintendo has praised it's appeal to the casual (read: non-gamer) Unfortunately, they usually SUCK at this. Therefore, any third party developer is going to TRY to capitalize on THAT market. It is a shame for the hardcore minority that support and love the Wii...but that's why I called it a double-edged sword...cuz it cuts BOTH ways.

[mrv321]

Dead Space extraction looks like a good game... and should have sold more.

EA put this on PSN or Natal when the motion controllers launch and you will sell millions. Trust me, if it's reasonable with achievements or trophies and uncompressed 720p native support then it'd sell. Get Sony and Microsoft to do a demo disc with Natal and PSmotion with this game on and it'd be great.

[nycredude]

I am pretty sure there is a development kit for both the Ps3wands and Natal over at most of the third party developers on the Wii and tehy are all working on porting the Wii games over. They have to make some money on their investments.

[mrv321]

I agree, but the problems with Wii games are that they can be as large as 8gb... so some games we probably won't see download versions of some but still.

We know both the PS3, Xbox 360, original xbox and the colossuss(google it) can run Wii games so the only problem would be the size.

[Its_The_Truth]

I dont blame EA Dead Space was a truly remarkable game on PS3 and its the Wii fan's fault for missing out. EA did you learn your lesson stik with PS3 leave the Mario and Zelda kids along. GO AHEAD DISAGREE Wii fan's because .....

Its_The_Truth

[DarkTower805]

That's what happens when Nintendo targets fat moms and 5 year olds as their target audience. No true gamer is going to look towards the Wii for awesome games, that's what the PC, 360 and PS3 are for.

[ZoidsRaven]

No. It's what happens when devs tell you you'll be getting a dead space game on your wii console....... then turn around and kick you in a balls telling you it's a cash-cow rail-shooter.

But by all means, tell me how many rail-shooters sold well on the other to consoles. Well? hmm?

Thought so. Talk crap when you know what you are talking about.

[DarkTower805]

Do you know out of all the Wii software sales the 1st mature title is 28th on the list? Yes, that's right! Like I said, big boys don't play the Wii!

http://vgchartz.com/worldto...

[tiamat5]

That should be the Wii's new slogan. "It all your fault". Everytime these games tank on the Wii it's always everyone elses fault. It's the developers fault, it's the economy's fault, its the gamers fault, its the stores fault, its the advertisers fault, the sun was in my eye, it wasn't a good month for games, God hates us. But no one thinks "Hey! maybe these games tank because the Wii is an underpowered piece of plastic and metal whose games look like SNES games and even when you push it to the limit it still looks ugly and uninspired." "No that can't be it let's try again. Ignore the PS3 owners who want games like Dead is Rising, Yakuza 3 and Mass Effect. Sooner or later if were make a hundred games for the Wii that will grantee that at least three wil be good and that will prove that the Wii is a great system." Yes that's it(insane laughter, grinding of teeth).

[Ninjamonkey]

I just read the article and...

Did I misread, or did it not actually say that EA blamed customers. It didnt, all it said was that "they probably will"

All they said is that it will affect how they treat the wii for games. Either they'll ditch it altoghether for mature games, or hopefully they will make the games better.

But theyve not actually blamed the consumer yet so this article has absolutely nothing at all...

And anyway Eurogamer gave this game an 8/10, with 1up giving it a B+ the game got good reviews.

Im actually inclined to buy it now since my wii is gathering dust.

Actually, EA blame the consumer on this one, I give you permission to =P

----------------------------- --

And just to point out here, everyone here bashing EA never said that they played the game, so how do you know it was bad? And yet 2 posters here who seem to have played the game said it was good.

[Alcon Caper]

has anyone here actually PLAYED it? Can we get some insight on people who actually know what they're talking about?

[ndpad]

Great game, great atmosphere, great graphics, comics as unlockables are a great addition to the game, the ending is unique with the nunchuk and how you don't know if what happens really happens.

It is a great way of seeing why the Marker was placed there, how Lex is immune to the side effects of the marker. Love how most of the rooms you explore in the game get explored in the original DS.

Only bad part is that the game is by no means replayable. No online leaderboards for challenge mode also hurts in this. You get stars in every chapter for accuracy, weapon pickups, audio/video logs, etc. Thing is it doesnt matter if you get 2 stars or 5 stars. Once you beat the level there is almost no reason to replay that level

The bad though is that so many gamers were excited about the game until it was announced it was a rail shooter. This indeed was a BIG reason why the game sold like it did untop of the little marketing EA did with the title.

[NecrumSlavery]

Blame the 50 million casual gamers who are under 13, whose moms won't but it for them and the few million hardcore gets who won't support hardcore wii games.

RIP RE4, MadWorld, The Conduit and now this

[ia_studio]

I was interested till i knew it was on-rail

[Senden]

Well what did they expect? I don't know how good dead space was but you release a game for a console that (argue as much as you want) is predominately designed for families and children.. how can you expect the sales to be amazing? Ofcourse nintendo fans will argue this point until their last typing finger but all the marketing for Wii was aimed at families, everytime i go into a shop and check out the wii section it's filled with 90% cutesy covers designed at wooing children.. the console is NOT made for games like dead space.

[Xander-RKoS]

It's on my Christmas list, jeez, sorry to let you down EA. Maybe if you guys fix the economy so I can actually get a part-time job, then I'll buy your game.

[learte]

do you need more examples madworld, no more heroes,The Conduit,Dead Rising: Chop Till You Drop, Madden, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, house of the dead and now this. it's just that the wii set it self apart from the main stream. it's just like if you tried to run Saw the movie in the disney channnel. it's way too diferent to what there use to. sadly the hard core have left the wii, lets hope that metroid the other M and the new zelda atract more hardcore. i just wish nintendo's next console won't be to diferent so it can run all the 3rd party games out there.

[Xander-RKoS]

No More Heroes sold well enough apparently, enough to warrant a sequel anyways, and I'm pretty sure so did Muramasa....House of the Dead also sold enough to make a profit.

I'll have to admit, the Wii doesn't sell hardcore games like the other consoles do, and mainly because it offers a wider demographic (which includes hardcore gamers, if you don't see it by now you are truly blind), but to say they don't outright sell doesn't make any sense, since most developers are still hard at work making the core games that people say are never on the Wii.

I always see the same comments about core Wii games too. Either "this makes me want a Wii" or "this should be on the 360/PS3"...the Wii is $200, no one will make fun of you if you muster up the money and get some Wii games. I have all three consoles, I've barely touched the 360, and the PS3 gets occasional use for games like Infamous and soon Brutal Legend and Uncharted 2, I like my Wii games and I don't feel like I need to "justify" my possessions of the other consoles in any way. So if you want a couple of games for the Wii, get one (or at least used) and pick some up.

[Shnazzyone]

Their problem is 2 things, 1 they have made a game for renting not owning. I like rail shooters but I never buy them since once I've played through it one or 2 times I have seen everything there is to see. It was really cool and i wont deny that it is fun as hell. But in the end it is just a 6 hour rail shooter. A scary and adrenaline filled rail shooter with unique ideas but still... it's a rail shooter.

2, when was the last time anyone has seen an television, magazine or internet ad on this? Just because you are making a game for core audiences doesn't mean you don't need to advertise for it. If noone is aware of it or what it is then noone is going to buy it!!!! Conduit and madworld saw profit making numbers since they were advertised properly. That is the number one reason why nintendo games sell so well, they put ads on tv so people are aware of it. EA, don't blame your customers when you made no effort to make people aware of the title.

[KillerPwned]

Thats really immature for a developer to be blameing its customers on there sales. Nice job EA you probley just drove away a few more sales.....Idiots

[Anorexorcist]

WiiSpace: Extraction

Hey nycredude that could have been just good enough to work for EA. Anything with the word "Wii" in the title like Wiisports are the most popular titles on the Wii.

EA can blame the consumers all they want, but righteously they should have put some more forethought into this game and the audience they were making it available to. They should have remembered that mature titles on the Nintendo consoles don't necessarily set the console's user base aflame. Just look at the sales figures GTA: Chinatown wars for the DS, a portable console whos lifetime unit sales are approaching the 100 million mark.

[nycredude]

That was what I trying get at with my comment, but judging by my disagrees it seems it might have went over a few peoples head.

The only games that do really well are First party games with a "Wii" in them. Wii defenders can say all they want about the Wii, but it's becoming abundantly clear that "most", not all, but "most" Wii buyers are indeed casual gamers.

[Christopher]

No one from EA has blamed anyone for the game. In fact, the article tries to draw a comparison between a developers comment of "will actually influence the SKU plan with respect to the Wii" and "EA blames customers for the failing game".

Look, they put out a mature game on the Wii and if this does poorly it's unlikely you'll see another like it on the Wii. That's called business, which is all based on customer response. They're not blaming the customer, they're LISTENING to the customer. Obviously they're not going to go forward and put more effort into games that customers don't want and instead focus on games that they will.

Seriously, people need to read the article, which is poorly thought out to begin with.

[princejb134]

well no more heroes aint have great sales either
but there still releasing a no more heroes 2

[Christopher]

No More Heroes sold more than enough to make a good profit in Europe and North America. Its production values were down in comparison to Dead Space: Extraction and made by a smaller development team. Furthermore, the development team has no money to work on higher cost projects for the 360 or PS3 without external investors, which Suda51 is getting from EA in order to make his still untitled horror game for the PS3/360/PC/Wii.

[ndpad]

" they're LISTENING to the customer"

WOW! you think making a rail shooter when every core gamer that owned a Wii wanted a tps is listening?

"Look, they put out a mature game on the Wii and if this does poorly it's unlikely you'll see another like it on the Wii"

You think EA who probably called the shot to make it a rail shooter and who, after they saw what happened to Madworld sales, dropped fudning on their marketing on the game is actually trying?

Listen if a third party puts 100% of its resources into a game like Dead Space and it fails then it is 100% no doubt the customers fault. But, when publishers/developers don't put 100% of their resources into Wii core games, bad sales is not the customers fault.

You have Activision who even after selling over 1 million copies of last years CoD:W@W on Wii, does not put W@W 2 on Wii this year and says if you want to see a W@W 2 port, youll have to buy a CoD4 port first.

Even after BOTH Resident Evil 4 Wii edition and Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles sell over a million copies, Wii owners STILL don't get a true Wii ground up RE or RE5 port. Instead Capcom sees that a rail shooter did well on Wii and says "wow lets do another rail shooter" Why?

What must Wii owners do to get non spin-offs?

Edit:@ below
"No one from EA has blamed anyone for the game"
Might want to check what Frank Gibeau said. The game is an experiment to core gamers he says and if it doesnt sell they won't make more core games, but shouldnt that core game be made FOR core gamers. Did core gamers ask for a rail shooter? How is that the customers fault?

If I make a casual game that is not accessible or too difficult to play, and it sales badly, do I blame the customer for not buying my game? Or do I look at what I did wrong?

[Christopher]

You just answered your own question right there.

It's not a matter of what we say on the boards, it's a matter of what people are buying in general. Change will come when it's fairly obvious, not just one new IP that failed, that the concept is not desired.

[Christopher]

Core gamers did ask for it. How? By buying millions of other games that are rail shooters. They're not targeting hardcore gamers in general, but the core gamers on the Wii who have already shown an interest in... onrail shooters!

You guys are twisting their words to fit your own desires and perspective. They're talking about the Wii market and not people who normally play 360 or PS3 and are looking for the same on the Wii.

[Product]

hmmm...
"They're not targeting hardcore gamers in general"

Are you saying that EA specifically targeted a niche(lightgun) genre inside the core audience for this game, instead of targeting a more broader audience(TPS) for sales?

Although core Wii owners may have bought rails shooters RE:UC and HotD, the rail shooter genre is an incredibly small genre and one that can become a red ocean quite quickly due to oversaturation. It seems odd to think that EA specifically picked the lightgun genre to introduce its Dead Space series to core Wii owners specifically thinking that the rail shooters selling from huge name brands would carry over to an IP that even on a more core based system such as Xbox and PS3 could not even achieve 1 million sales in a bigger selling genre such as the third person shooter genre.

I also find it interesting that you say this "They're talking about the Wii market and not people who normally play 360 or PS3 and are looking for the same on the Wii."

Core gamers are core gamers, no matter what platform they play on. EA thinking core gamers would rather play an on rails shooter than a TPS of the same game due to sales of a incredibly successful and long running Capcom series seem hard to fathom and honestly optimistic in every regard.

Thinking that core gamers who play Wii are different than core gamers who play on other platforms makes me question your idea of core in the first place.

Pure fact of the matter is that EA overestimated the on-rails genre and thought it was either bigger than it was or less saturated. How many survival horror titles are out right now that are Wii made ground up TPS? In business instead of being the second, third, or fourth to the market (i.e. on-rails) it makes more sense to take a chance and be the first to market. I would have put all my eggs in the tps basket, I have a feeling EA thinks the same right now.

For example, I have a feeling Silent Hill (third person survival horror) will be reviewed higher than Dead Space Extraction has been. Now will Silent Hill sell more? Doubtful, but that is a completely different story.

[Christopher]

Are you trying to tell me that the millions of people who bought RE4 and CoD on the Wii are a niche market?

Core gamers are core gamers specific to the platform. You don't have as many core shooters on the DS or Wii like you do PS3 or 360 because their core gamers don't play those type of games in comparison to the more casual games. GTA didn't sell well on the DS because that's not where their core gamers are, which is on the PS3 and 360.

Core gamers are specific to each platform. Just because there are overlaps doesn't make it not so.

Now, regardless of this, EA may have ill-advisedly put out another on-rails shooter. It won't be the last ill-advised move for an on-rails shooter on the Wii either. But, using Mad World as your only example of poor sales, as someone did before, isn't enough data to deter EA away from this in the first place. Now that they will likely see poor sales on this type of game for the Wii, they will likely turn to putting out a game more like the best selling games on the Wii.

What needs to happen is for someone to put out a true FPS on the Wii to see how it does, but it's unlikely that a big house will want to take that leap on their own. But, you can't fault EA for going the sound business route of putting out something that has already done well on the platform.

[Product]

"GTA didn't sell well on the DS because that's not where their core gamers on"

Who said GTA didn't sell well? Profit is more important, and GTA was incredibly profitable on the DS.
Rpckstar has commented that the game actually will have a "long and successful shelf life" and not to be compared to GTA4 in sales.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/3...

True certain genre sell better on certain platforms, but to say core gamers are different means your opinion is of course subjective and of your preference in that term.

Thing is Dead Space Extraction was hyped due to the fact that fans of the original had something else to play. You can't deny that the announcement of the game being on-rails killed many sales from multiple console owners looking fro their next DS fix, and killed sales in general.

"What needs to happen is for someone to put out a true FPS on the Wii to see how it does, but it's unlikely that a big house will want to take that leap on their own. But, you can't fault EA for going the sound business route of putting out something that has already done well on the platform."

Completely agree, but then in there lies the problem. Who will step up you know? It is hard for Nintendo because they don't see to want to moneyhat exclusives or big name titles. This of course is slightly Nintendo's fault, but for the most part who wouldn't want to develope a blockbuster on the market leader this generation? Who has done it yet?

[Roper316]

If you want to open a business or buy a house it is all about location, location, location.

If you want to sell a hardcore game again it is all about location, location and location.

You chose to release on the Wii which is nothing but a casual gimmicky system and expected this game to sell.

That is just plain old dumb,dumb and dumb

[Highlife]

Come on are soccer moms and little kids going to buy this NO! Why make a mature title for a kids/mommy workout console

[ozstar]

Screw those ungrateful b-----es.

Sega seems to respect Nintendo enough to keep trying (thanks to the success of MS Olympics no doubt)

Your telling me EA Fit sales arn't enough to get them trying a bit harder?

[BeaArthur]

I would think it would be obvious by now that nobody buys Wii games. I mean how many copies of Mad World did the Wii sell, like 70K or something (and that is one of Nintendo's most acclaimed titles). I have all 3 systems and I turn on both my PS3 and 360 almost on a daily basis; I might turn on my Wii every few months. EA has no one to blame but themselves for making a Wii game, they should know better by now.

[ozstar]

Over 250k

[BeaArthur]

Irrelevant still a pathetic sales number

[Slinger420]

They make a mature title for a system that caters to children and soccer moms with nothing to do and they're surprised by the lackluster sales?? Who the hell is running that company??

[CobraKai]

This isn't a game soccer moms and their tween daughters would play. I'm sure the hardcore owners have and will buy this game, you just have too keep in mind that they are not the majority of owners on this system.

[Samus HD]

why they are not buying it it is very good game .,;./ I have it for myself

[Ripyealip]

dont blame the customers. blame microsoft

[Jamescagney]

I bought it and thought it was pretty damn good, even though it was an on rails game. I'd say the biggest mistake they made was that it wasn't advertised enough, you barely heard anything about it. The games that sell well tend to be advertised quite heavily.

I don't know though, maybe it wouldn't have made much difference if it had been advertised more. It's a shame anyway, because I'd like a hell of a lot more mature sort of games appearing for the wii.

[Senden]

Love some of the wii fan responses... face it, everyone sees your console as a nice gimmicky way to make a quick buck. A developer could make the greatest mature game of this generation on the wii and advertise it like the next best thing to sliced bread and it still wouldn't sell half the copies it would on the 360/PS3.

It suprises me though really with the wii.. it's install base gives it great potential to exploit stupid people yet in all fairness and honesty, very few games have succeeded the same way Wii Fit did.. I guess developers just don't have that creative flair anymore or the ones with the creative flair want to put it to better use and use it to create good games.

[TheROsingleB]

This game is actually quite awesome and I'm disappointed that it is not selling well. I watched the development of it pretty closely and EA did roll with a LOT of the fans suggestions to do an On-rails shooter correctly and with a slick drop-in drop-out co-op option for multi player.

Seriously, if you're a Wii owner and are old enough to buy this game, go do it! it deserves a lot more respect than what it's been getting and honestly blows any other 'on-rails' game on the Wii right out of the water. (Looking at you, Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles and House of the Dead: Overkill)

[Product]

Double Post.

[Inferno]

Dead Space >>>>>>>&g t;> Crap Action 5

[cemelc]

So true

[TheMailman]

What the hell was EA thinking? Mature games on Wii? Oh yeh, you´re so clever...

[BYE]

Sometimes I think Wii owners can't worship good games coming to their console.

When you look at Amazon sales, stuff like Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Mario & Sonic at the Olympics, New Super Mario is always in top ten.

While games like DS: Extraction, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Mad World, HOTD, The Conduit don't sell well at all...

Maybe the Wii doesn't deserve hardcore games.

[Arkem]

honestly, I will rent this game but seeing as it is a rail-shooter I just don't see the reason to buy it i mean... in my opinion there won't be replayability after beating it once. I loved the original dead space (THAT i did buy)but I just feel like $50 isn't worth 5-10 hours of gameplay. Please don't bash me, it's simply my opinion.

[Jamescagney]

Well it's damn good fun when you are playing with friends in your living room. Maybe less if you don't have any friends.

That's all I'm saying.

[fredrikpedersen]

Make Dead Space 2 for the PS3, x360 and PC / end of story

[circasurviver]

You all act the Wii audience passed up some great epic hardcore experience. This is a short ass light gun game that I beat in one afternoon. Look at all the lame light gun games the Wii has been flooded with lately, enough is enough. Wii owners deserved a 3rd person action/adventure Dead Space not a lazy ass rail game. Wii owners deserve a new 3rd person Resident Evil, not a lazy ass rail game. Then you talk about Madworld, and the Conduit, those were short ass crapfests as well.

[BrianC6234]

This just shows real gamers shouldn't bother with the Wii. Pretty soon nobody will make great games for the Wii since most games do horrible on the Wii and they lose a lot of money. Just who is buying the Wii anyway? I see all these hardware sales but the games sell a few thousand copies.

[Jamescagney]

Drunk post:+1

[cardgenius]

What do you expect. They made an adult game for a kids toy.

[bigjclassic]

Look at it like this, with Nintendo's core audience they either have a Wii and PS3/360. Especially speaking that most sequels (Tekken,SC,SF,RE,FF etc.) are on the HD consoles. Devs decided to push the envelope on the HD tech with those games instead of making the game for the Wii.

Take SFIV and RE5, both would do well on the Wii. Same as FFXIII, SoulCalibur, KH, MGS. They would sell great on the Wii as well.

I honestly cannot blame the devs for wanting to use the HD tech, but Nintendo wasn't ready to jump into the HD tech yet. If the Wii was HD most casuals couldn't afford $400 for a console in 2005/6.

[Relientk77]

k

thats really noble of u?

[hard joe]

you can't sell mature/hardcore games to kids/casuals

[Rixynator]

The last time I bought a EA game was Army Of Two which was the most epic sh*t game of all time since then never bought a EA game and never will. 1 down for EA. Sh*t company make sh*t games.

[hatchimatchi]

when will people realize that the wii is a joke of a system. It has easily the worst game library out of any console i've ever bought. The thing just sits in my entertainment center taking up space, and no im not a nintendo hater. I waited in line on launch day to get a wii and i also bought dead space extraction. Why, i don't know. The game sucks though. Nintendo & 3rd parties have seriously screwed over the nintendo fanbase this generation. It's pretty sad.

[djfullshred]

Nintendo created the image of just a childrens toy with the Wii in consumer's minds with the game catalog built up from initial launch. People are in denial if they think MA games are going to sell in large quantities for a device that has crafted its image as being a kid's toy. The MA game players are already on 360 & PS3 boxes. Wii is too late to the party.

[Makidian]

All they have to do is give it a shiny new coat of paint and relaunch it when the PSWand comes out and give it a control option for Natal so it can be used with that when it comes out. They will make all of their money back on it since most who played Dead Space will likely pick up the prequel, I know I would. Probably wouldn't play it with the Wand but whatever, it would still be a sale.

[riceandbeans]

Just another blog rant from someone who thinks they understand the industry but don't know what the hell they're talking about. EA did listen to the consumers and made an amazing game specifically tailored to the system. Being a rail shooter does not make it any less of a game but just a different experience.

The problem is both EA and the consumers. EA marketed the game all around, it was the small hardcore crowd that they were hoping for that pushed it aside. Wii owners are just a vastly different age and gamer demographic compared to the Xbox 360 and PS3. Only big brand named games like CoD and licensed junk are the best bets for success because they appeal to the mass market. There's a reason why shovelware like Carnival Games can sell probably a million copies.

[Product]

"someone who thinks they understand the industry"
"Carnival Games can sell probably a million copies"
And we are supposed to listen to you when you don't even follow sales figures in the industry?

"Being a rail shooter does not make it any less of a game "
True, but unfortunately it does affect sales being a rail shooter when you actually think that when RE:DC comes out in less than a month, that will be the 3rd rail shooter on Wii in 9 months. The rail shooter genre is becoming saturated and it is no wonder when you think about how niche the genre actually is.

"EA marketed the game all around, it was the small hardcore crowd that they were hoping for that pushed it aside"

You have to understand that the reason why it was on-rails is not most likely due to EA listening to consumers, instead lightgun games are a more casual, easy approach to an M rated game. Helping the player along by moving him from place to place is supposed to be for the core? HotD did it right, it had always been a lightgun game, but when you take a game that started out as a tps on another console and make a prequel on a different system and change the game mechanic to an on-rails shooter, you are essentially losing customers.

People might say RE:UC sold well, and it did, but you don't think that some of those sales were helped by RE4: Wii edition coming out right before it? Or by the fact that RE is one of the biggest names in video games right now?

If you don't feel that a game being on-rails matters here is something to think about.
You don't find it odd that RE4:Wii edition, a port, has sold more than a rail shooter specifically made for the Wii from the ground up?

He is a better question: You don't find it odd that the best selling M rated game for the Wii is RE4:Wii edition? A port? Of a Gamecube game, that is 5 years old? With no added features other than controls?

When more core gamers would rather play a 5 year old port on WII than a brand new M rated game on Wii, that honestly tells you something about the execution EA and many companies right now are delivering upon when delivering their core games to Wii.

[Gr81]

Favorite catch phrases this gen has been "It's an established IP so of course it will sell" This is used to find some way to marginalize the success of Wii titles that debunk a lot of the faulty, opinionated posting that goes on around here. My response to this is, isn't that applicable to all consoles this generation?

Wii has not received the main entrees of these well known IP's yet by and large the Wii sells the most third party software..isn't that odd? But I digress. Wii owners are sick of being treated like cash cow rejects, this game was an attempt by EA to milk some money to make up for the first Dead Space underacheiving. So what do they do? They make a game in an oversaturated genre on the Wii.

Again, the moment it was made known that this was a rail shooter the internet backlash was enormous. I'm thinking RE:DC will also be a sales dud, or at the very least perform less stellar than the original. I remember Capcom using the whole "carrot on a string" with Umbrella Chronicles 1, saying things like this is a test if this sells we'll bring a real RE to the Wii. Well it sold and guess what? Wii gets another rail shooter. So if visceral wants to pack up and leave because this rail shooter didn't sell..good riddance to bad rubbish. Because if this did sell it's not likely Dead Space 2 would have come to Wii, no, no; Wii would have gotten DS:Extraction-2:Redemption. Just another spin off rail shooter. Fvck you.

Remember this EA and all Third Parties for that matter; You guys work for us. Whether that us is Wii owners, 360 fans, or PS3 people. It is important that they remember this. Right now, it doesn't look like they do. Price hikes, having to pay for content that should be included from the start (RE5), and blaming the consumers. The arrogance is baffling. Check this Third parties, you need us more than we need you.

Nintendo has no problem selling to the core audience on Wii, guess why that is? They don't treat their audience like a bunch of morons. Brawl, Galaxy, Prime, Zelda, Resort, Kart, all games that have sold incredible amounts of units. The audience is there, I think the audience is just smarter than you give them credit for.

We've been given the short end of the stick for the whole generation. Guess who you're hurting? It ain't us, its you. You will continue to miss out on this piece of pie because you choose to. Good Riddance to bad rubbish. Nintendo gave you a large window since you "can't compete" with Nintendo products. And you let that window close. Once 2010 hits, you guys will really be forgotten. With few exceptions. Leave money on the table, that will be money in my pocket.

[riceandbeans]

Or are you just complaining about games you've never touched? It may be a rail-shooter, but the game is a great one that pushed the system to it's limits graphically. You make a good point about established IP's not particularly selling well because they are dumbed down like Madden for the Wii, but a lot of bad sales do come from consumer ignorance as well like people passing this off "just another rail shooter" or not being a brand name. Let's face it, a majority of Wii owners are children and soccer mom families. The type of audience EA is hoping for just may not be there.

[ZoidsRaven]

What you just said now in is a big load of crap. It just looks like you are just using this to take a shot at Wii owners.

1) LMFAO! The Wii was NOT pushed to "it's imits graphically" with this game........ Don't believe me? Take a look at the upcoming Metroid game (Metroid other M).

2) "Ignorance"? Ok, ok, ok. Let's say the first Dead Space game was exclusively on the Wii, then one year latter the ps3 and 360 gets a 6-10 hour rail-shooter spin-off. Ask your self this, would they have bought it? (Again, this is just your way of taking a shot at Wii owners.)

3) Most Wii owners = kids and moms? -_-" Own a Wii before you come here to preach your epic bullsh!t...
Before you think you are right on this, take a lok at the doubble ported "Resident Evil 4"'S sales. (I know you will not, because it proves you worng.)

BTW: Devs are foolish to believe Wii owners will settle for the short end of the stick when it comes to games..

[111111]

Dead space is one of the most hideously unoriginal games to come out in quite awhile. Everything about the movie and the game is blatantly stolen from all the obvious franchises. How could they expect this bs to sell in the first place?

[Senden]

LOL @ Arius Dion!

"It's an established IP, ofcourse it will sell" has been nintendo's only saving factor since the GC first released. Mario Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Mario, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Pokemon, Mario, Mario, Zelda, Metroid.. see where i'm going?

Also can you please backup your delusional belief that Wii sells more third party games than any other console? Because i'm sure Modern Warfare will have something to say about that as would Bungie and Epic games.

If you're a hardcore gamer or a gamer who appreciates mature games over anything else, then you go to the 360 or the PS3.. Wii has always been marketed as a console for children and a way for families to come together. While I won't doubt this as I play mario kart with my 10 year old cousin who loves anything mario. However, new ips don't do well on nintendo because 90% of the console's consumers have no clue about he games industry in general.

If you really think more developers should waste their resources on creating more mature wii titles, i'd suggest you lay off the magic mushrooms. Go take a look in your local games shop.. notice how at least 90% of the wii games there have the most cutesy covers you'll ever see?

[Gr81]

It is even worth responding to such an ignorant post.

[saint_john_paul_ii]

1. releasing the game on system whos demographic dont buy M rated games

2.No marketing seen behind it

3. moving the franchise to a console who hasnt played the original game.

How much you wanna bet that when the PS wand launches next year, EA and Visceral will port the game?

[Lionsguard]

This is what happens when you waste your time on developing anything other than a game with "mario,zelda,wiifit" in the name. All,time,resources, could of been spent on Deadspace 2.

[glennc]

the wii is a different market, whats so hard to understand. nintendo went out and found their own market and that market isn't hardcore. who's fault is it??? whoever decided to make it for the wii.

[airportwest]

i would buy it if it not on-rail

[Kluv]

EA WAS thinking of the hard core. didn't this dpad guy or whatever read the developer interviews when they announced the game? THey said they had to do it on-rails in order to get the full game on there. If they made it a full third person shooter, the graphics would have been horrible and there'd be a whole lot less in the game. Making a game on-rails is the only way to have the experience match the quality of a 360 or ps3 game. If you want them to treat you the same, get the same console. The wii simply isn't strong enough to run games like the 360 or ps3 can. that's why they have to find other ways to make them better. EA found another way.

[circasurviver]

Wii owners obviously don't care that much about graphics, and they would much rather have control over their character. This game doesn't even look as as good as Metroid Corruption or Mario Galaxy and you have full control over your characters in those games. Even Resident Evil 4 (a Gamecube Port) matches this game in visual quality, again it's a 3rd person game in which you have control over your character and it's much much longer. So basically the Developers are just feeding you BS when they say this had to be on rails to work on the Wii, when in reality its on rails just so they could save time and money.
Oh and this crap about the Wii audience not buying M rated games, RE4, COD W@W, Red Steel all sold over 1 million, because they're not short ass light gun games! Even Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles and House of the Dead 2&3 which are light guns sold over 1 million. Why? you ask, because they were the first light gun games released on the system, but now that the market is flooded with them, people stopped buying them because there is already enough out there and people are sick of light gun games. You all say this would have sold a lot better on the PS360's, well that just means PS360 owners are dumb for wanting to spend 60 bucks on a 5 hour light gun game, hahaha what a bunch of suckers who will buy any crappy game as long as it has an 'M' on the box.

[QuickdrawMcgraw]

When is the new Zelda being released?

[Salta_nelas]

99% of people play Wii solely for Wii sports/fit.

[Stone-The-Crow]

EA you should of called it

Dead Space: Space Fitness

would of sold by the bucket loads

[DigitalAnalog]

Most of the Wii owners are casuals. The hardcore fanbase are bare minimum and sales like this are to be expected (for a franchise that is not considered to be in the levels of Super Mario/Zelda).

[foobar]

...but I saw bugger all advertising for this game in the UK. The original marketing for Dead Space on the 360 was pretty decent and its an excellent game. If you were expecting just the 'buzz' surrounding the 360 game to sell this one for you, then sorry, you failed.

Also you failed with your 'calculated risk', its almost a no brainer no-no. The Wii in my opinion is more of a family orientated & social console and I dare say that EA's target audience of 18+ (in the UK) will more than likely own a PS3 or 360 (in the UK,USA). The Wii comes out at parties and family gatherings, its the stigma attached to the Wii, it isn't a 'hardcore' gaming platform, its just a 'fun' console. Yes Dead Space Extraction looks like a great game and I for one being a Dead Space fan am happy to see it but, anyone younger than 18 shouldn't be on it and I can't really see Grandma decap'ing the undead till 2 in the morning.

I think EA put their faith too much in the Japanese Market and trying to appeal to Resident Evil followers. But then thats the old can of worms of developers trying to break Japan, where Capcom will always have a loyal following.

[stuntman_mike]

i think the problem is nintendo, the demographic they are aiming for are people who dont play games like dead space or madworld they would rather do the fitness things or party games.

and in the long run it aint gonna do nintendo any favours especially when the gaming community is pushing for more realistic graphics and more emersive story telling, putting a heart thermometer on your finger aint gonna get them nowhere.

[BabyColada]

The solution to this problem is simple: stop making f#%king horror games for the Wii, because 9/10 they're going to do poorly critically, or do poorly commercially. I realize there are Wii owners out there that like 'core' games, but that audience is tiny. If Extraction would've released for the 360/PS3 it would've sold much better, and garnered higher review scores.

There are just certain markets out there that aren't worth trying to crack, this is an example of a lack of horror gamers on the Wii, and another similar example is the lack of interest in the Xbox in Japan. So, to EA: focus on the 360/PS3, because there are actually people interested in Dead Space on those consoles, and to Microsoft: give up Japan. There, now everyone's happy. (except for the five Wii owners interested in Dead Space).

[Batzi]

EA seriously needs to STFU!

[KYU2130]

Wii want so badly to be apart of this next gen war that Wii will attempt more grown up titles on our kiddy console. Yes Wii know that our demographic is kids but Wii wanna grow up. Wii wanna be a big kid toy mommy!!

the Wii is a great console for children but Dead Space come on people what were they thinking. break out the 3d glasses and the crack pipe. this ones a trip.

[xtheblackparade]

So, is my english as second language not good enough or do I understand from this article, that the site gave the title a score of 83% and sometime later they completely flame it for being on rails? Say what?

[AngelorD]

90% of Wii owners don't buy games and only have Wii Sports

[GAMER505]

Look i'm just going to say how it is the, the wii is garbage and nintendo should be embarrassed by how much of a garbage system it is. The best systems these days are obviously the PS3 and 360. The great games and great graphics are all on these systems.

[Kisama]

I'm glad it sold badly. If you made it a FPS, it would have sold very well. You shot yourself in the foot by making it an on-rails-shooter.

[lizard81288]

froze while you were walking, so you couldn't move, and had to quite the game or a door froze while opening them and you had to quite the game, or other glitches this game has. seriously, its like they didn't even test this game too much.

1. glitches

2. 5 hour game for $50

3. no/little replay value

4. rail shooters don't sell well. don't look at RE:UC either, because capcom made some promises, but decide not to deliver on those promises

5. its an M rated game, not say M rated games don't sell, but they really narrowed their audience down with it being a RS. even people here that say they liked the original DS, won't get this, because its a RS.

maybe EA shouldn't blame the wii owners, but themselves for shooting themselves in the foot. i'd like to see how well this sells on the ps360, with nothing changed, with the shortness and glitches still intact, and i would bet it would sell just as poor, or poorer.

what they needed to do was copy RE4. RE4 sold the most on the wii, even with GCN and ps2 combined. hell, i even bought it again.
but instead its a RS.even in the early stages, when it was found out to be a RS, people looking forward to it, got turned off. all the other M rated games also have flaws too, like being short, and having little to no replay value and they want $50 for them.

don't get me wrong, this is one of the best wii games i've played, the story pace is incredible, its like a movie or something. but i might have done better if it was cheaper, so until the price drops, rent it, and lets wait till after the holiday seasons too

[corneliuscrust]

By putting out an on rails shooter targeted at the same crowd that most likely bought RE4

if they just put out a version of dead space for the Wii, it would probably end up much like RE4 did. I mean if RE4 can sell on GC AND Wii, there are obviously some people who enjoy mature games on nintendo systems

[lizard81288]

if he was going to get the game, and he said
"there's a dead space game for the wii?"

so they should advertise it. if it wasn't for nintendo power, i wouldn't even know this game existed either.

[Djinn]

Who cares about Wii owners. You get what you pay for. If they wanted something besides shovelware, they shouldn't have gotten the wii.

[infamous_27]

Theres no point to buy boring games when theres way to many better games coming out.