Tekken 6 PS3 has 4GB optional install

From Gameswire: "Namco Bandai's Tekken 6 on PS3 features an optional 4GB install, which massively reduces loading times.

Installed copies take just a couple of seconds to get you into the fighting.

How this will affect online play is crucial."

[LukaX23]

How much do you want to bet people will whine about the "slower loading times" on the PS3 version even though they haven't installed the data to improve the speed?

[WildArmed]

lol
first people cry about mandatory installs.
later, cry about game not loading up fast enough =/

Some people. i respect them for making it optional like Epic's UT3.
I just hope some game also supports mods like UT3 did on the ps3.
That within itself was EPIC. :)
As long as i get my copy of Tekken 6 , and i can play it as soon as i get home.. sounds good to me.
When i goto sleep that night I can put up the install ^_^

[gaffyh]

I'm installing it, don't really care any more. I've got over 200GB free, so whatever.

[hay]

No probs with the install. Except that I have to upgrade my HDD soon.

[UncleJaysus]

Yeah... I really must get around to upgrading my 60gb drive.

[Blaze929]

Pretty strong word - its a fighting game...just how long can it honestly take to load!? O_O

[ProA007]

How much do you want to bet people will whine about Microsoft and the Xbox 360 even though they don't even own one nor care....oh wait.

[Blaster_Master]

The game itself probably isn't much bigger then 4 gigs. Why dont they just put the game on the psn so people can download it? I pass on this game anyways, Im just saying that option makes more sense. Plus it cuts out the middle man. MvC2>SF4>everything else so whateva.

[Anon1974]

I just recently upgraded my 60GB to 250GB for 60 bucks. Use the backup utility to backup on a usb drive. Remove the one screw holding the drive chassis in. Take out the four screws holding the drive on the chassis. Put in your new drive. 3 clicks and you've restored your backup. Easy as that.

For some reason upgrading the 40GB drive wanted the PS3 OS on a disk, so I didn't bother (tried to put my old 60GB into my 40GB). I didn't bother messing around with that, but upgrading the 60 GB drive was simple.

[gamingisnotacrime]

to go with th 500gb (i did it), is around $90 in amazon and you know it will take a while to fill that monster, but keep in mind thet the PS3 life cycle is in its early stages and Sony is moving towards digital distribution at a faster pace than expected (PSP Go), with games and movies the space can go sooner. My point is that if you are going to upgrade the HDD, go all the way to 500gb and you will be good to go.

Im happy with the 335 GB i have left in my HDD, and i bet in two years i will have less than a 100gb (i like the whole Digital distribution movement :)

[ThanatosDMC]

Install it! I was saddened at how long it took to get to fight. Watch Giantbombs gameplay vid. Damn, thing took forever compared to Tekken 5 online.

http://www.giantbomb.com/qu...

[gameangel]

Could be worse - a full 25GB Blu-ray install. Imagine that.

[darthv72]

considering the game is on 360 and most likely will be a single dvd of about 6.5gb+.

Where does all that extra space on a bluray go...?

[gameangel]

Probably what's known as a 'dummy' file to bring the overall size up to full capacity.

[Fishy Fingers]

Less compression, also repeat data to compensate for BR slower read speeds than DVD. I still doubt it gets near filling the disc.

Edit: I assume the disagrees are for stating BR read speed as slower than DVD? Good old N4G where facts are irrelevant. It's not an insult, it's the way things are.

[UnSelf]

the point of a dummy file?

[rCrysis]

are you two that ignorant? have you ever heard of compression??

they dont have to compress the audio and visuals as much as they do on a single dvd9.

Honestly, do you really think movies that are filmed and recorded only take up 6.5gb+ worth of data??

edit : bah, fishy beat me to it

[gameangel]

Compression only goes so far... hence why some 360 games come on multiple discs.

'Dummy' files are typical in games storage media and from what I can tell exist to make piracy inconvenient.

Pirated copies tend to have to be 1:1 copies, so by enforcing a full-capacity file size you make sure that people would have to spend the maximum time downloading and/or burning a copy.

This would have maximum effect in this day and age: if PS3 gets 'cracked' dummy files are definitely the difference between someone bothering to download and someone not.

[madmonkey0]

ps2 games were on dvd 9, and often were only 1 or 2 GB, disgaea 2 for example is only 1.5gb,

[gameangel]

Many PS2 games came on standard CDs.

Looking over at a torrent site reveals Disgaea 2 is below 700MB, so probably came on CD.

If memory serves, you could tell which PS2 games came on DVD, because they were the ones with reflective surfaces, where CD games were blue.

[mmj]

It's faster but not consistently faster, developers still have to organise data intelligently on the edge of the DVD disc because that is only where it reaches its "peak" read speed.

I'd honestly take a 4GB install over the noise of the 360's DVD drive.

Also, I've just bought Forza 3 and that has an "optional" 2GB install not to speed up the load times but to give you the complete game, it is a far bigger issue on my 360 with its 13GB space compared to my PS3/250GB HD.

[Dannagar]

My Xbox 360 isn't noisy. However, I'm sure that are those that have first generation Xbox 360 system. If that's the case, Xbox users have optional install as well. Problem solved.

[Vicophine]

Won't bother me, I got a 500GB 2.5 in my PS3 with a 1TB external in one of my 4 USB slots.

Ah, good to me a 60GB owner...

[Autolycus88]

Brother

[mastiffchild]

Yep, it's the reason I put my hand in my pocket for CP(when it was available)-to ensure I kept a 60gig model. Gotta love the extra USBs and mem card slots-come in a lot more useful than you'd think and the universal PS3 HHD change ability is a boon for the console as a whole. Having once been stung by MS for a360 HDD upfrade I was disgusted when I only spent £40 on my 320gig Sata for my first PS3-really MS conned me massively there and I don't see how they got away with it for so long.

OT-if the install helps with load times and game sppeeds then whhy ever wouldn't you happily use it. It's there because the read times are slower for BR drives and any help the devs get is surely a good thing, no?

BTW it still annoys me that MS proprietry HDDs are so dear(not to mention the Wi Fi adapter!)in this day and age where you can easily get half a terrabite for half the cost of a 120gig MS drive!

[Godmars290]

You can do the same thing on a slim.

[Redempteur]

Ex 60gb owner ... Now 250gb ...
Everything is fine ..

If you tasted 40gb or 60 gb AND you plan to use your PS3 ... you must have upgraded already ..

If you didn't THEN you don't use your ps3 often for games .. so you will have space to install ...

[darthv72]

Why arent people making stories about that?

[gameangel]

Oh well, at least 360 owners can use any massive external hard drive plugged into the USB slot...

oh wait..

[UncleJaysus]

Yeah, I know MS wants people to buy their overpriced hard drives, but it's a bit mean to stop people from using theirs.

[Godmars290]

Because all of the 360's installs are optional?

Unless of course you have an Arcade unit. Then you're just screwed.

Though you have to wonder if the 360 has the exact same loading issue why not report it.

[Pennywise]

Because as much as the crybabies will whine about this site being "SONY LAND", the articles being flushed through this sewer is anti-Sony. It gets old.

[etownone]

DO you really not see the difference?

360 has optional install of the entire game of any game, PS3 usually has mandatory partial installs just so you can play the game....

And just because they say optional this time isn't fair if your waiting 5 minutes in between each round.... Face it kids, all ps3 will be forced to do this "optional" partial install if you plan on actually enjoying the game.

[Pennywise]

"DO you really not see the difference?"

^^ Funny you should ask that and then follow up with a statement that clearly shows you do not see the difference between mandatory and OPTIONAL. No one has to install anything.

[darthv72]

It is understandable that the dvd is compressed. When the full game is installed, does it suddenly become less compressed being on the hdd now?

Or...is it still the same compressed file but now gets uncompressed from the hdd instead of the dvd? With compression and all, why arent there any more noticable artifacts when comparing multiplatform games?

PS3 uses the blu for storage of uncompressed textures and audio but somehow the games look the same or slightly less than the compressed 360 dvd version.

Someone please explain.

[etownone]

Are you kidding me?
This place is Sony Land, and as much as you and the rest of the Sony can try to do damage control, there is nothing anti-Sony about news like broken co-op (borderlands), broken online (bayonetta), and mandatory installs (yes, Mandatory, if you plan on enjoying your game without all the frustration of horrendous load times).

If these news were about the 360 this place would be going crazy with all the sonyfans gloating and rubbing it in.

[Pennywise]

There you go again talking about Mandatory.... When you sober up, lets talk.

Best looking game of this gen has NO install and ONE load when the game starts. But you know, I dont expect you to know that...

And when you want to talk about PS3 online... talk to me about MAG and R2 and KZ2 and Every other game with no problems.

[Godmars290]

what online features does Bayonetta have that it has problems on the PS3? Thought it was just textures?

Honestly "dude" do you even look at a PS3 when you walk into a store?

[Ron_Burgundy]

hold your horses it's optional bots, don't loose a screw in your head over this :P

[Anorexorcist]

With Uncharted 2 already establishing itself within "Legendary" status and the recent announced PS3 sales taking over the Wii and 360 in Australia, we need to Thrown em' a freaking bone every once in a while or else they'll start eating White-Out again.

[Why Dat]

Yea, keyword: optional.

Anyways, I don't play Fighting games much, but the load times can't be THAT bad.... or are they??? I can imagine if load times are "bad" for RPGS and maybe shooters, but fighting games? Hmmm...

[Stinger_209]

bots must be jealous that ps3 has a bigger hdd

[kevinx1000]

i'd have a hard time filling a 250 gig HDD. why would i need a bigger one?

[ravinshield]

oblivion...4.6gb required
sony may cry 4...4.7gb-20 min install
full auto 2...1.7gb required
spider man 3...2.3gb-five min install
hot shot golf...5gb-five min install
skate...2.5gb--five min install
rainbow six vegas 2...3.4gb required
wwe smackdown vs raw 2008....2.3gb required
F.E.A.R...2.5gb required
NBA 07....3gb-ten min install
lost....3.6gb---six minute install
conflict denied ops...2.5gb required
beowulf---2.5gb---five minute install
GT prologue--5349MB..13 minutes install
Quake=4.1 GB install
GTA 4...5 min install.
battlefield:BC...300mb required
Bourne Conspiracy..5GB Install required
metal gear solid 4...8 min install,4.6 GB required
BIOSHOCK......5.0 GB required, 10 min mandatory install
Vampire Rain....3.8GB install required
Fracture...1900MB required=4 minutes
little big planet....600MB Install required
Socom Confrontation... 3.1GB Install required
Far Cry II....3.5 gb install required
NBA 09 The Inside....2.5gb required
Resistance 2...350mb required
Killzone 2...stupid players required
Yakuza 3...5GB install required
Resident evil 5...5 GB install required
tekken 6....4GB optional install

[Ravage27]

Anyway optional is always good though.

[Godmars290]

Speaking of which, whatever happened to the teams of ninja programmers who use to storm devs who had trouble with PS2 games?

[Fishy Fingers]

Data streaming, clever memory cache as well as other things. All would have been taken into consideration when building their engines.

[Pennywise]

Funny, this game was built for the PS3 and they still screwed it up. LOL.

This install will probably make loads lightning fast.

[Redempteur]

I agree but not every game can do that ..sometimes they're so huge you can't optimize.

Too bad MGS4 is 37gb so we were forced to install

It doesn't made MGS4 look bad ( it was a great game )

But sometimes ...installing is great ..when you can enjoy games liek these (infamous , mgs4 ) i don't regret it

[Deios]

I'm going to need a bigger hdd soon. Time to delete old games and in with the new ones.

[koehler83]

Sweet.

Oh. I mean, Aw geez guyz, but I only have 100GB left on my 300GB HDD wah wah wah.

If I start running out of room for games, I'll take off a couple seasons of Mythbusters.

[Anorexorcist]

Optional installs make baby Jesus give a thumbs up!

[djfullshred]

That's a fat install, but PS3 owners should not trip on this if they have an older model. These boxes are designed for the home user to be able to easily upgrade the harddrive. I have two PS3's with 320 gig drives in them.

Get a laptop SATA drive for the upgrade. Get another storage drive to back up your data. Follow the instructions in the owners manual for backing up, replacing harddrive, & restoring data. Super easy.

[-MoOkS-]

WTF 4gb? Lucky I have an 80gb now, my 60gb broke ( ylod ) and sony gave me an 80gb. If i had my 60gb still, i dont think i could play this game.

This install thing is stupid, if only sony used DVD drive instead of a slow bluray disc drive, we wouldnt have to install things just so they can load smoothly

[djfullshred]

lol, while they're at it, maybe they should go back to 16 bit graphics too. DVD is old & tired, and dying a slow death.

[supersonicsaga]

Did you request to get your 60 gig backwards compatible back? Seems like they pulled a fast one on you.

I was in your shoes but after I got my pS3 back from Sony ( i got ylod too), I put in a 500 gig hard drive and never looked back.

[cliffbo]

to anyone who is interested bd has a slightly slower spin rate than dvd overall but compensates for the speed difference by reading larger amounts of data at a time and also bd reads the disc at the same speed across the entire disc not to mention bd is a much larger format.

[djfullshred]

of course people always click disagree just to disagree on this board, but what is not old & tired about an optical drive technology that came out in 1995? I would expect to say the same thing about Blu Ray in another 12-15 years, because technology always moves forward. There will be a replacement for that, and then a replacement for the next thing, and so on, and so on...

Look at history. VHS tape for video lasted about 15 years before being slowly replaced by DVD. DVD had it's 15 year run, and is going top be completely phased out by Blu Ray (check the store shelfs as a sign). Blu Ray will last about the same legnth of time as a standard, then replaced by the next thing.

[Slient Knight 9]

how the hell does tekken need install when uncharted 2 didn't need one at all and had no loading what so ever, can any one please explain THIS TO ME!

[jetlian]

is more data on this than uncharted. every fight chartacter data changes unless you can have instant rematches. animations take more memory than backgrounds. people think just cause this looks better theres more going on thats not how it works

[divideby0]

recall the silly whinners about PS3 game installs.....even though we been doing it since day one of a PC (and that was fine)...than 360 allows for game installs and its the best thing...and they forget our tiny launch 360 hds cant deal with many game installs, but at least we dont have to hear the loudest DVD drive I ever owned in any device

cant make this stuff up.....

[djfullshred]

I agree with your perspective. I used to be a PC gamer for years, and I do not see the PS3 as anything different. Plan ahead & get a bigger harddrive than you think you need. Then start filling it up. It is actually easier to replace a harddrive on the PS3 than on a PC, because of the very simple to follow backup & restore program. And just like with a PC, it is always good to have another external drive to use for backing up.

[TheTeam06]

I'll be doing the install.

[Theonik]

Not really a surprise.
They did this with SCIV too.
And yes speed increases dramatically.

[juggulator]

Its just game data. So the concept is very simple, delete old game data from games that you don't play anymore.(ie. your MGS4 data). It can be reinstalled anytime.

[BO WALEED]

tekken will run better on Xbox with any installing.. :D

I feel sorry for those who has Gaystation 3 with 40GB :P I think must of them are mad about those stupid installations !!

[Elvfam511]

i mean it's not like i got 120gb drive

[Xlll]

Your a tool. Installs like this make a big difference when playing online. I can get thru matches much quicker then you bots. Enjoy the loading screen.

[NecrumSlavery]

People are gettng the cell tech down? But it's nice that it's optional

[jay2]

I have brought all Tekken games on their UK release, I plan to do so for the console thats lost of due to being restricted by DVD9, I always have done this with all MP ex-Sony Exclusive games, and will always do so, MS's money and exclusivs can keep thir smelly, durty mits of my games thank you verry much.

[jetlian]

dvd9 has nothing to do with ps3. this is a blu ray problem

[na2ru1]

The vs screen flashes for 1 second then BAM, your in the game.

[DarkSniper]

Dark Sniper has no problems waiting a few minutes to enhance his gaming experience on PlayStation®3. He'd much rather prefer waiting 5-10 minutes to enjoy his system as opposed to waiting 5-10 weeks for his console to return in the mail.

$niper