Infinity Ward : "World at War ? This game does not exist !"

Asked about Treyarch's Call of Duty, Jason West from Infinity Ward answered : "World at War ? This game does not exist ! There's Modern Warfare and Modern Warfare 2. There's a single story : Soap and Task Force 141".

[d0nT wOrrY]

IW always bash W@W, maybe Treyarch copy & paste CoD4 but what's the differences you see when you compare MW1 and MW2 ? nothing new.

plus, they trying to ripoff people with cheap made NV glasses lol

[saint_john_paul_ii]

Tenzin

[zeeshan]

That's exactly what I have been saying. Modern Warfare 2 should have been called MW 1.5

Here come all the disagrees :)

[MisterNiwa]

World At War didnt exist!? But it came out last year! Im pretty sure of it!
What the hell is going on!?!?!

@Tenzim

Oh god.. dude, you made me spit my coke.

[Rifle-Man]

LOL! I just played that part this afternoon.

[MicroSony4Life]

on this one. Allot of people bought W@W because of Modern Warfare, don't blame them for trying to establish a name that every one will trust and not have people associate them with W@W.

[Timesplitter14]

Infinity Ward are being disrespectful.

Conclusion : IW are trash and must burn in a fire.

I don't care what game they're making, or how good or bad WaW is. It doesn't matter.

It's called being a man and having principles.

[-Seven-]

One of the questions on the minds of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare owners when it comes to Call of Duty: World at War is whether or not its worth the money, especially for those who could care less about the new campaign and will spend most of their time in the multiplayer mode fighting alongside and going at it against their fellow peeps.

While there are many similarities between the two games, there are also some distinct differences. As far as the main story goes, they are both pretty even, each delivering a fantastic story with theater-like moments that really put you into the thick of the action. It's a definite tie on which delivers the better story -- both are fantastic -- and both are probably a little too short.
What World at War Has that Modern Warfare Doesn't

The first thing to look at is what is new about the game. While there are obvious differences between weapon selection, a few new perks, and dogs of war substituted for calling in a helicopter, there are two really big things new in Call of Duty: World at War.
World at War vs Modern Warfare - The co-op campaign missions in World at War set it apart.
One great thing about World at War is
playing through the campaign missions
with a buddy.

Vehicles and Vehicle Perks. This is one of the really big additions to some game types like death matches and headquarters matches. The ability to jump in a tank, drive it around and kill the enemy creates an entirely new dynamic. Unfortunately, it can sometimes be annoying. It'd be nice if there were some non-vehicle modes of certain matches like team deathmatch for those that find the idea of getting blown up by a tank more annoying than fun -- but when all is said and done, I do think they add a bit of strategy to some maps -- it really makes you want that sticky bomb over the frag grenade and the bazooka over the bouncing betty perk.

Co-Op Mission Mode. This is definitely the big bonus of World at War for those who like to go up against the AI with a couple of their buddies. In addition to running through missions with your friends, you can also unlock a Nazi zombie mode for a nice little distraction.
World at War vs Modern Warfare - A Comparison

Multiplayer Modes. Most of the same modes in Modern Warfare have found their way into World at War, but there are a few modes that have vanished. Mercenary Team Deathmatch, Old School FFA and Cage Match are all missing in action in World at War. While Cage Match being dropped is a little understandable -- though it is fun to go one vs one at times -- and mercenary team deathmatch just ends up splitting up the team deathmatch players into two groups -- I really think they should have re-produced the Old School FFA matches. They provided an interesting alternative to regular FFA.

Among those modes new World at War are a Bootcamp mode for newbies, a Veteran mode for those level 32 and above, a Capture the Flag mode, a War mode that is Capture the Flag with momentum, and a Tactical mdoe that is for smaller groups.

Winner: World at War. Even without the old school FFA, there's enough new in World at War to give it the slight edge.

Weapon Selection. The basic types of weapons available are actually pretty similar with the ability to choose a sniper rifle, regular rifle, sub-machine gun, machine gun or shotgun. The weapons also have similar attachments, though the machine guns have tripods rather than improved grip. But, overall, I think the rifles in Modern Warfare bridge the gap between automatic and bolt-action better than in World at War, and the Modern Warfare weapons can be given a different skin to alter their appearance.

Winner: Modern Warfare. It has a slightly better variety and a bit more of a cool factor to the weapons.

Maps. This one is a pretty tough one because both games have pretty decent maps with nice little nooks and crannies that can be put to good use once you really learn the map. Also, personal preference and taste will go a long ways here. Overall, I think Modern Warfare does the best job of having well balanced maps where you can employ a variety of weapons and tactics on just about all the maps, while World at War has more variety even if some maps tend to favor certain type so of weapons a bit more than is found in Modern Warfare. It also does a good job at having expanded maps for team modes.

Winner: Tie. I'd favor Modern Warfare for strictly FFA mode, but when you add in the different team modes and the new maps World at War has that are specifically designed for those modes, it becomes too close to call.
World at War vs Modern Warfare - The perks are virtually identical with the few new additions not used as much as the old standards.
You won't find too much difference in perks
from Modern Warfare to World at War.

Perks, Challenges and Kill Streaks. If you are hoping that World at War got rid of the Martyrdom perk, you are out of luck. Martyrdom remains in the game, and the perk system as a whole is very similar to Modern Warfare. There are a few new perks -- like the ability to put on some sunglasses to protect from signal flares -- but the ones most people are going to be using -- stopping power, juggernaut, double tap, overkill, deep impact, steady aim, second chance, dead silence, etc. -- they are all still there, and you'll end up using pretty much the same basic perks. The vehicle perks are new, of course, and you can now equip a flamethrower in your first perk slot, which can be fun but you won't get it until level 65.

The challenges in the game are pretty much the same, with most being used to unlock weapon attachments, and with very similar killer, humiliation and elite challenges to complete.

The biggest change is what you get for a 7 kill streak with dogs of war replacing the helicopter. (3 kills still gives you radar and 5 kills gives you an artillery strike similar to the airstrike.) The dogs of war are very cool -- when you set them off. Otherwise, they are mainly just annoying. Think about 10 times more annoying than the helicopter. Overall, they are bit overpowered compared to the helicopter. While you can at least kill them with your gun, you can't get away from them by simply ducking into a building. And the thrill you get from seeing all of those 5s fly across your screen might not make up for the annoyance of lining someone up in your sights only to have a dog bite you -- something that can happen quite frequently.

Winner: Modern Warfare, but only slightly.

Overall. Modern Warfare wins on 2 points compared to World at War wining just one point and both being tied for maps, but if we added Co-Opt as a point of contention, World at War would win it by default, so I am going to conclude by saying that they are both pretty evenly matched.

Modern Warfare still has an edge for those that like to go it alone. Not only are the Free for All maps in Modern Warfare pretty balanced and a lot of fun, but you can also choose between regular free for all and old school free for all. (World at War does allow hardcore free for all.) World at War gets the edge if you like playing alongside a team, with slightly more variety, maps designed for team warfare, and a co-opt mode.

[Rofflecopter]

It's true that many bought WaW because of CoD4. It's also true that IW made a great game that many still play. But It's also true that MW2 is the same thing that Cod 5 was. It's CoD 4, new maps, new skins, new locations. Sure they aren't ripping off another studio since they made the engine and the game, but they aren't really innovating or changing any major gameplay elements.

Customize killstreaks, new maps. What else is new?

[HolyOrangeCows]

Drake: What do you need that knife for??

Tenzin (Representing IW): ''(Speaks Tibetan) Call of Duty: World @ War's reputation''

[themyk]

come on man. nobody reads comments that big. all i do is take a bubble give a disagree and move on.

[HDgamer]

Treyarh may have copy and pasted but they did support their game more than IW.

[BattleAxe]

IW need to stop with this foolish arogance when it come to Treyarch and World at War. Treyarch did a great job and unlike IW, they managed to incorporate 4 player online campaign co-op and 4 player Nazi Zombies. And I guess according to IW, the 3 awesome map packs "don't exist " either LMAO.

Not to take anything away from CoD4, because it was a great game, but after all the trash talk about WaW, MW2 better be an epic game or IW is going to be the laughing stock of the industry.

[Tony999Montana]

You all make interesting points, but I'm going to have to agree with Tenzin on this one..

[Rifle-Man]

Hey! Quit deleting Tenzin's comments, you racists!

[Darkfocus]

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[Raoh]

i completely forgot what this post was about after seeing your response

LOL

Bubbles

[Rifle-Man]

T'was a valiant attempt to fix Picard's deformed head.

[badz149]

now IW just looks like a bunch of PRICKS! at least W@W had more supports than CoD4! I'm afraid they may have also just Turned 10!

[Sarcasm]

"Here come all the disagrees :) "

Hilarious considering you got 45 agrees and 4 disagrees.

[mr mintleaf]

Sounds like Kotick has his hand up this guys ass like a puppet.

[SeanScythe]

Then that means I'm playing a game in my imagination? OMG!

[spacetattoo82]

I think we may have linked up, seems I got the same issue going on.
apparently some sort of telepathic game, involving a game that does not exist..

I've been drugged or I'm on the real next gen console, maybe you are behind everything, well either way, "GAME ON!"

[DrRobotnik]

But for me storming the beaches of Normandy, and wake island over and over again, is getting pretty old. Modern maybe the same game, but it still brings something different. Something not in the history books.

[Saaking]

Eh, WaW wasn't that bad. Sure not as great as MW but still a very good FPS.

[Snatcher]

I remember that all of my Online friends were hyped about that game, and all of them bought it. I sticked to Call of duty 4. They only played WAW for like 5 days, and then they went back to Call of Duty 4.

[Saaking]

I think WaW has brought more to COD (zombies and co-op) than MW2 will.

[themyk]

zombies were awesome but that was it.

[MRMagoo123]

out of the 100 friends on my friends list 80 where playing WAW the first day it came out as was i i played it for a long time too not as long as cod4 but still long all the same.I think the only thing i didnt like really was the tanks and a couple of glitches ppl used thats about all i can think of really.

[MysticStrummer]

[foxtheory]

or IW (or at least Jason West) are douchebags. WaW was a GREAT COD title that, even though is ANOTHER WW2 shooter, did a great job of bringing a gritty, dark campaign with the usual amazing online. No reason to hate it at all.

[RememberThe357]

It was definitely better the COD3, but it still is the second worst COD game.

I blame Activition and their greed. COD should be biyearly, and not the yearly watered down mess it is becoming.

[Droid Control]

All Trayarch games suck.

[kaveti6616]

Poor Treyarch is being treated like a packmule by Activision. I think World At War was released on more than 5 platforms. It's not fair to expect Treyarch to be able to write an original story and make their own engine and make a great game to release on 5 different platforms in one year. I cannot blame them for that.

Infinity Ward had the opportunity to write a drastically different story for their game, and they got more backing, and more time, than Treyarch ever does.

I think Treyarch are very talented developers. I hope they buy their way out of Activision and show their true talent.

[tgh machines]

First off, it was two years.

Second off, they used Infinity Ward's engine.

Third off, Treyarch did not make all of the games, Activision out sourced the DS and mobile version. http://www.n-space.com/n_Sp...

[Baka-akaB]

It is more than fair to be harsh on them . They made the choice to be mules . any other equally average studio or a worse one would have happily signed on for the ride .

Dont dare tell me they wouldnt land other jobs on other ips or even possibly new ones .

Not only did they choose they easy way , but they can't even do a stellar job of it so far . WaW is by no mean awful , but definitely doesnt live up to cod4's standard .

Now on the other hand IW are greedy too , and jerks . they could have left if mad that someone used their beloved franchise or pur their foot down : "no more treyarch or no cod " , and actually done something else than copy themselves . We all know how its going so far .

My take is that both studios deserves slaps and backlash . Trey for the numerous reasons above .
But IW as well and even more . You're given extra time , and you hate seeing second fiddles messing with your work and copying it , and what do you do ? Your work 1.5 ? Go to hell already

[kaveti6616]

Baka, the game is not out yet, and everyone is already passing judgment on MW2. Calling it MW1.5 without having played the game is pure FUD. Play the game, and then tell people what you THINK. Even then, your opinion will remain just that, not a fact.

WaW was not a bad game. It got very good reviews, actually. The only thing that I didn't like about it was that it was still a World War 2 game. I was hoping Treyarch would also be doing something unique like Infinity Ward. Infinity Ward probably doesn't deserve as much criticism as you guys are giving it. Activision calls the shots. Nobody understands what kinds of pressure the developers are in. During this economic climate, I wouldn't expect any developer to up and quit out of some misplaced sense of dignity. All I was saying was that for the time being Treyarch are being treated as blatant step sons.

[Timesplitter14]

Infinity Ward, shut the hell up, you damn piles of garbage.

First you censor petitions, not you're being disrespectful to other devs.

May your games fail in every way possible

[Head Shot King]

Infinity Ward is not the only one talking smack, what do you say about this.

Eurogamer: Well, Hell's Highway is making it even more personal, the real one, and they(Gearbox Software)want to be emotional. What do you think of their perspective on the game?

Treyarch dev guy 1: We don't even think about them. Like... that's not the kind of game. They are not a game we even think about when we're playing. We think about the best shooters. We play [Call of Duty 4] Modern Warfare, we play the blocking of all the competitor's games. (laugh) We play Gears of War, we play Halo, Bioshock... That's the competition, because we want to look at the games that do great storytelling. We don't want to look at someone else making crappy wargame.

Dev 2: And frankly, it takes so much effort and concentration to make a great game that most of the time we think about games that we are working on.

Dev 1: I watched the trailer and that was like these guys are not even in the same league. (laugh)

Will that make you hate Treyarch?

[Timesplitter14]

yes

[Head Shot King]

The only two developers I have respect for is Bungie and Naughty Dog because they are very humble.

[themyk]

bungie naughty dog polifony digital sucker punch ea redwood.

all top notch dev's that don't have to talk sh1t to make good games.

[Synex]

Insomniac is humble as well.

[mr mintleaf]

Another dev that commands respect, though they never ask/brag.

[R2D2]

World at War is the ugly step brother that you lock away in the attic.

[Timesplitter14]

R2D2, how did you get out of the attic?

I thought I locked you in there

[NecrumSlavery]

W@W created Nazi Zombies. And nothing IW can do to claim that will work.
W@W campaign wasn't great, but nothing out side of KZ2, MAG, & CoD4 can really satisfy the hardcore shooter fan. I guess Halo too....if mindless shooting satisfies.

[Rifle-Man]

What a fücking prick.

Is there anybody associated with this game who isn't a total asshole?

[Polycarp]

Hopefully IW paid more attention to W@W than this comment implies, because there are always things you can learn from others. For example, how NOT to do mixed infantry/vehicular combat (see W@W).

[Foxgod]

Well, they have a point, the game is called Call of duty.
World at war is just a sub name.

Btw, this guy probably speaks for himself, i dont see any statement in this interview that shows that he speaks for all developers that work on MW2.

You guys are so simplistic to act like he speaks for all.

[Foxgod]

I got two accounts.
And i only use the other one when this one is banned.

So the reason you probably lose a lot of bubbles, is because you type a lot of crap that is ungrounded and uncalled for.
Like you just did.....

[unknownhero1123]

IW is filled with arrogant jerks that think they are god's gift to gamers. now I don't feel bad about not buying MW2. I thought IW were humble, decent developers but thanks to recent news it's not so.

[kaveti6616]

If one guy makes a rude comment, how can you apply that to the whole studio?

[unknownhero1123]

because of the rest of IW reaction to his comment, which there is no reaction from the rest of the crew. judging from that, one can come to the conclusion that IW back's his statement hence my comment. I tell you what, if IW does a disclaimer of that guy's comments, I'll take mine back.

[Sarcasm]

"because of the rest of IW reaction to his comment, which there is no reaction from the rest of the crew. judging from that, one can come to the conclusion that IW back's his statement hence my comment. I tell you what, if IW does a disclaimer of that guy's comments, I'll take mine back"

Awesome comment.

And true it's only "one guy" but when "one guy" is working for said company, he represents for the company as well.

I'm sure not all the guys at IW are arrogant douches. But there's one company that has them all, and that's Turned 10.

[NecrumSlavery]

Infinity Ward thinks their sh!t doesn't stink. Arrogance from developers is a big issue in gaming today.

And Killzone 2 is current shooter of the year. Let's hope some fresh ideas combout and this doesn't turn into COD4.5
I hear they plan to throw in everything but the kitchen sink, but let's see

[Foxgod]

Depends on who you interview.
I think its weird that you consider all of the MW2 developers to be arrogant, its just one guy who said this.
Who says he speaks for all the developers that work on MW2?

You guys are worse then positive racists.

[kaveti6616]

Killzone 2? That game looks pretty damn awesome. In fact, it looks so good that I would imagine that anyone who sings praises about it would probably be playing that game right now, instead of sitting in front of a computer posting comments about it on an obscure website. Unless, Killzone 2 isn't so great apart from its looks.

[Sarcasm]

"In fact, it looks so good that I would imagine that anyone who sings praises about it would probably be playing that game right now, instead of sitting in front of a computer posting comments about it on an obscure website."

And what are you doing?

And is it not possible that someone goes on N4G on a lunch break? Or taking a break from playing Killzone 2?

Who plays games for 24 hours straight (besides WoW players)???

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

Seems Infinity Ward really are the assholes of the gaming world.

[Sarcasm]

Nah. Turned 10 has that crown. Infinity Ward is more like that super hot chick that everyone loves, except that she's racist. Yup. Something like that.

[Rifle-Man]

Hey, Infinity Ward, if you're so fücking great, get Activision to drop Treyarch.

That way YOU can make a Call of Duty game every year and spare us from games that aren't up to your lofty standards.

[ian72]

Infinity Ward and Activision seem to both be alike. Its like they are competing to see which of them can p!ss off the most people.
Its not big or clever, Its so sad.

[themyk]

man thats pretty fuked up by them to say that.

sounds like a ms company. just joking guys calm down.

[Relientk77]

Modern Warfare > World at War

[spunnups]

Who Cares IW, I'm buying your game used unlike CoD5

[CBaoth]

You really showed them. Where should I send your medal?

[Sarcasm]

"With 12 million copies sold of WAW...
You really showed them. Where should I send your medal? "

He said "unlike COD5" so that means he's insisting he happily paid for a new copy.

[Timesplitter14]

Taking so much time for such a trivial thing looks absolutely ridiculous, man

(sorry, reply didn't work)

[jakethemuss]

rather than be self rightous wankers and talk themsealves up.

[The Iron Sheik]

You know what WAW is IW, its the game that put out 3 map packs while you put out 1. And 2 of the maps in that COD4 map pack were terrible.

[MajestieBeast]

Uncharted 2 deserves goty and not mw1.5 after everything activision and this overrated development studio has done to screw gamers. 1 trick pony developer they do fps and rehash it adding some perks.
Unlike another developer who has done Tps.Platforming and racing and that hasn't got the praise they deserve from the gaming press for their last titles.

[bjornbear]

Is this a bad joke or did Turn 10 brush some of their "charm" on IW? =/ they're usually quite cool devs.

[crazyturkey]

more than MW, maybe because I'm one of the few that loves WW2 themed games more than modern time shooters. Though if they did a more futuristic game I would probably like it.

[NEWSWATCHERS]

I think they dont want to be talking about other COD games except theres? what is there to talk about W@W? talk about there upcomming game is better then talking about another persons game they didnt even devlope, what could he said about W@W? "umm it was good?"

So I think he didnt mean it the bad way but if he did, bad on him, but I think he didnt because they have a big game comming out in 2 weeks and trying to get the word out and not trying to advertise W@W in the process.

[bekum_aka_jarhed]

waiting 4 treyarch 2 diss IW

[Mr Face Creamer]

While IW may make a better game in everybody's opinion, Treyarch are one great developer company and they don't diss developers to gain sales... IW are trash to me now and so is Activison.

It's a shame because I was seriously looking forward to Guitar Hero 9 and DJ Hero 6 next year.

[poeo]

i just can't like Infinity Ward anymore. i... just can't.

World at War wasnt bad at all from what i played, sure it might not be as good as MW or MW2, but it's not THAT much worse... so get off your high horse Infinity Ward.

[Napoleon1853]

Well I guess it still exist, but it might as well be called Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 Console Version for PC.

Infinity Ward, in regards to what you are doing to the PC version...
Dumb move is dumb.

[BYAAHHH]

"extra" added to the game (Nazi Zombies) is a lot more popular and praised than the actual game as a whole.

[na-no-nai]

i love waw that game was pretty awesome.
its fun killing zombies; beside all my friends played that game instead of mw

[MRMagoo123]

big mouthed or not im still buying MW2 it makes me tingly just thinking about playing online again M16 pwning times ahead.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

this is definatley a HUGE over rated franchise... not to mention overplayed concept!

[Gun_Senshi]

when you can make a COD as good as COD2 online. MW sucks for online

[Caudill]

Infinity Ward needs to stop bashing World at War.

World at War wasn't that bad of a game, I enjoyed it and I know many others did too. Is Modern Warfare better? Yeah, I think so.

But Infinity Ward just needs to shut up about it already, make their own game (MW2) and just move on. We get it ok? You don't like Treyarch, you don't like WaW, blah, blah, blah...

[tonywood24]

Hey, these guys are backing it up. However, the talk is starting to hurt my ears. Truth be told....no one really talked about Infinity Ward until Call of duty 4: Modern Warfare.

Also, World War 2 games have been around for quite some time. Stop the trash talk, and collect you pieces of silver..for the morons that will actually pay for MW2 Xbox 360! Infinity War....child please, Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Epic, Blizzard, and EA have all done a lot more than you! Infinity Ward's time will come...but dropping diss albums, after ONE hit?!!

I loved COD4, but these guys are acting like Bungie. Halo was great...HOWEVER, let's not forget that this game was pretty much the movie, ALIENS. (Ernie Hudson/Sgt. Johnson, Bill Paxson/The loud and crazy marine, Ripley...the savior/Master Chief, and the guns and Uniforms were the same also!) COD4, didn't create a story...just took real time events and chaged a few names around. Great FPS...but not original..like Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, LBP, GTA, Resident Evil, Mario 64, or Uncharted.

[mr mintleaf]

To call Uncharted an 'original' game is a bit of a stretch. It should really be called:

Unchared 2: Tomb Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Like most reviews stated, the game borrows from countless movies/games, but it does it incredibly well...

sorry, back on topic..

[cleanhealthy12]

Its a sequel, so same gameplay, minor improvements + better graphics + new environments.

If you want to see how too much change will cause a fail, just take a look at resistance 2, the rfom fanbase COMPLETELY abandoned R2 (dont believe me? go to myresistance.net, the official site, theres like 10 people who post there, when before it was 1,000+ people, and online barely anyone plays anymore..)

[XsteveJ]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, as the translation of that article is kinda weird, but I think all of you are kind of misinterpreting his statement.

To me, his comments were trying to say that in the Modern Warfare continuity, WAW doesn't exist. As far as what IW is trying to create with the MW brand, WAW has nothing to do with it.

I'm not sure how anybody got this sense of arrogance from his comments. He didn't compare the two, he was just saying that they're trying to create a MW brand, and WAW has nothing to do with it.

[tonywood24]

No one is saying that Modern Warfare 2 won't be incredible, like it's predecessor...BUT, these guys (IW) has always had that Cliff B. and Peter Moore type of arrogance. Again, WE ALL KNOW THAT INFINITY WARD DIDN'T WORK ON COD: WORLD AT WAR!!! (Please correcet me if I'm wrong...but World at War sold millions, right?)

These guys (IW) are great, but they have not eared the right to diss others, YET. Infinity Ward are not "Big Boys" right now....wait your turn. This guy didn't run his mouth about COD4, because he wasn't sure how well it would have done. That's the difference between IW and the best of the best! These guys are 1 hit wonders. There are no vehicles, or Halo type multiplayer in these titles, because IW was probabuly worried of well it would have been received. It's easy to poke fun at someone else, when you didn't have the "stones" to try it 1st.(Knowing damn well "Zombie Mode" in World at War, was a cool idea!!) Ok moron....MW2 is not World at War, BUT it certanly is COD 4! All you guys did was expand on killstreaks, WOW..so cool dude. Now don't get me wrong, I LOVED COD4, but the trash talk is turning me off. COD4 and MW2 may become legendary, BUT Medal of Honor, Call of Duty 2, World at War, and Brothers in Arms...already are.

You guys are acting like your comparing your games to at Haze, Perfect Dark Zero, or Socom: Confrontation. NO IW....you are up against: Halo's, Killzone's, Resistance's, Bioshock's, Fallouts, Gears, and PC shooters. Infinity Ward is not the only people who make FPS. BETTER RECONIZE!!! The only difference between World at War and COD 4 are the wepons. (And YOUR title didn't have Zombie Mode did it?) You know the fans want it in your game, but instead of including it...you hate on World at War, knowing that including Zombie mode would mean that you reconize the talent and indea of a "so called" non-exsiatant game.

HATERS!!!

[i like jam]

i think iw are a good developer but to bash another developer is fuc**n bs. World at War wasnt that bad, and is still played now