Sony's High Velocity Bowling started before Nintendo Wii Sports' Bowling

MTV ninja Stephen Totilo infiltrated the tooth-decaying sugar-fluff of Sony Gamers' Day and shoved his mic into High Velocity Bowling developer Scott Rohde's face, asking him the tough question: Dude, like, you know everyone's sayin' you just copied Nintendo ... so, like, you did, right? Maybe not. With the lens carefully trained on his San Diego tan, Rohde's fired back with a little-known factoid, "Before we knew that Wii Bowling was coming out we were building [High Velocity], absolutely."

[PS360WII]

he said she said is all this amounts to really, but power to him for thinking of it as well then

[ChickeyCantor]

so what if?.....it doesn't matter who was first that comes up with the idea, but the first that delivers.

" "Before we knew that Wii Bowling was coming out we were building [High Velocity], absolutely."

and Nintendo wasnt working on Wii-sports?.........what?

How many FPS are out there? how many platform games are out there?.....does it really matter who stole what? I mean if the one can make a great game, why should we complain?

[ITR]

I remember seeing a video on this and the guy couldn't even get spin on the ball.

Since the PS3 has no wrist strap are we going to see some damage tvs now?

[calderra]

Just so we're all on the same page, things Sony was "already working on":
-Motion control (working on it before Nintendo filed their patent, so they're not ripping off Nintendo at all)
-A service to counter Xbox Live (which they were imagining before PS2 launched, so obviously they're not ripping off Xbox at all)
-Rumble for PS3, which only months ago they said was last-gen and would never be included on the PS3, yet they were 'always' working toward it after they settled with Immersion (so they're not ripping off everyone in the universe who said they'd do well to include it the moment they settle).
-And now, Wii Sports' bowling (again, they're totally not ripping off Nintendo at all)

Am I missing any more there?
Yeah, it's fine to say that working on a bowling game is an old idea. No problem. But when you're building toward the half-dozenth instance of your company doing so on this console, it's time to just own up to it.

They saw Wii Sports was good, and wanted to make it on Playstation. What's so wrong with just saying that as opposed to pretending it was their idea all along?

EDIT: Ah, and I forgot- having an included hard drive on a console. Which, last generation, they said was a terrible idea beacause it made Xbox too expensive and consumers would never need such a thing, and the hard drive made Xbox too much like a PC, which no console should ever do. (PS3 is a computer. -Kenny)

Whoops, and having two base SKUs for a console, which they said was a terrible idea when 360 did it, only to do the same thing a few months later. How could I be so forgetful?

[VirtualGamer]

Calderra you seem to harbor such resentment. Lets look at what your saying.

-Motion control (working on it before Nintendo filed their patent, so they're not ripping off Nintendo at all)

First off the only thing the 2 controllers have in common is motion sensing to which MS was actually the first company to patent a controller based on that years earlier. All three devices while using motion sensing are different enough that no one can sue anyone else for patent infringement so all thats left is for people to argue over semantics.

-A service to counter Xbox Live (which they were imagining before PS2 launched, so obviously they're not ripping off Xbox at all)

First MS hardly has a lock on using the interent to provide online gaming. The PC has been doing for far longer. XBL is far different then what Sony is offering even Chris Satchell, general manager of Microsoft's Game Developer Group thinks so. "I think they've definitely taken some concepts that we originated like achievements, but I think they're pushing in a different direction and we've sort of fundamentally got two different approaches going on here."

http://news.softpedia.com/n...

-Rumble for PS3, which only months ago they said was last-gen and would never be included on the PS3, yet they were 'always' working toward it after they settled with Immersion (so they're not ripping off everyone in the universe who said they'd do well to include it the moment they settle).

Well they have settled and yet where is the controller? You act like they had the controller ready to go to market the second the settlement was reached and yet here we are months later and nothing so far. Again the reason Sony went without rumble this time was because of the lawsuit with Immersion. Once they showed Immersion that they truly where prepared to go without Immersion settled for far less. Originally Immerson was to be awared 91 million but settled for 22.5 million.

http://biz.gamedaily.com/in...

-And now, Wii Sports' bowling (again, they're totally not ripping off Nintendo at all)

Wow I never knew Nintendo was the very first company to make a Bowling game. They are the first to make one that uses their controller. Now perhaps Sony did rip off the idea or maybe they came up with it on their own. I mean how hard would it be to put some people in a room and say ok come up with games that could take direct advantage of a motion sensing controller and I bet you Bowling would be one of them.

- Ah, and I forgot- having an included hard drive on a console. Which, last generation, they said was a terrible idea beacause it made Xbox too expensive and consumers would never need such a thing, and the hard drive made Xbox too much like a PC, which no console should ever do. (PS3 is a computer. -Kenny)

Whoops, and having two base SKUs for a console, which they said was a terrible idea when 360 did it, only to do the same thing a few months later. How could I be so forgetful?

I would love to see a credible link to your first comment in regards to Hard drive. In any event just because a company says they feel more then one SKU is a bad idea and then comes out with 2 SKU because of what their competition has done does not mean they still don't feel that way. Hence why in Europe they never launched with 2 and in NA they where quick to drop the 20GB model due to lack of demand. So as far as I know Japan is the only country in the world that is being offered 2 SKU.

[CaliGamer]

calderra does seem bitter, but you have torn his argument to shreds. Kudos to you my friend, positive feedback for sure.

[VaeVictus]

Everyone copies off of everyone else. Everyone also tends to bend the truth when pressed about something they'd rather not be questioned on. For people to even care is retarded, as long as the product is good wgaf? You're d@mned if you do, d@mned if you don't. I'm just happy to have choices available to me.

[texism]

You are awesome.

Omfg why does SONY always do something to disdain their proud fans?

[neogeo]

Then I'm SOLD

[ItsDubC]

lol so regardless of whether it has good gameplay, you're sold as long as it LOOKS better?

*hangs head in shame*

[drtysouf21]

one will be better in the end.

[Rockstar]

Sony "copied" bowling....
Geez, what's next?

[GameJunkieJim]

Sony might have a pretty good console eventually.

As it is, not all games will support rumble, not all games will support home.

Sony needs to actually come up with an idea on their own instead of copying others and releasing it a year after the console, or completely redesigning their controllers (twice) because the Wii thing was pretty cool. Don't feed me crap about how they were already working on it. Before the Revolution was announced with a motion controller, the PS3 had a batarang looking contraption that had NO rumble and NO tilt. Home, an obvious afterthought, so directly modeled on Live and Achievements.

Oh, and changing their story every 3 weeks.

The PS3 is a hell of a console. It's too bad that such a horrible company made it.

Gimme another rootkit Sony! Pwetty Pweeeze?!?

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

Such a horrible company? Buddy who is screwing who here? I can get 120GB HDD for PS3 for just €60, for 360 it costs €179. 3 freaking times the price buddy ;-) In the past I would say hasta la vista for such a thing and don't even talk about Home. It's a software piece like no other before, an gaming online service packed in a 3D world. Same goes for LBP, a game like no other before. 2 innovations buddy, what new did bring MS this gen? Nothing ;-) You are also talkin so much about copying, what did MS ever innovate in consoles? Nothing besides Live, the rest they copied so chill out buddy ;-)

[GameJunkieJim]

And Little Big Planet looks like Animal Crossing with people rather than AI. And yess, horrible company. I haven't seen Microsoft infect my computer with a rootkit or any other malware, I haven't have an Xbox break yet, but more than 4 PS2's and I'm on my 2nd PSP. (Square button was busted on the first one, they sent me the replacement for free)

[BitbyDeath]

I don't get the argument... it's bowling
even if it was copied it's still bowling it's been done before it's not like it's a new sport invented by Nintendo themselves. O Noes! Sony copied breathing off Nintendo

How dare they!

[Rockstar]

This just in....
Sony copies Wii sports Baseball and renames it MLB'07 "The show".

Please find some news people.

[Figboy]

this "XXX is copying XXX" really, *REALLY needs to quit. it's stupid.

the important thing, is that this game was playable at Sony's Gamer's Day last week, and everybody was surprised at how fun and natural it felt, saying that it was just as fluid and responsive as Wii Sports, if not better.

people complain that the SIXAXIS hasn't been implemented well, then they complain when they use it in a way that's similar to another game.

I swear, Sony just can't win, no matter what they do.

if nobody copied from other people and improved upon it, we wouldn't have two analog sticks (the Saturn and N64 only had one until Sony added a second for the PS2), we'd still be using cartridges, 8 track players and VHS tapes.

i'm all for people improving upon existing ideas and legitimately trying to make them better.

in this case, they aren't really taking an existing idea and making it better, they're just offering a similar experience to their PS3 fanbase that maybe don't own a Wii, but would like a game that is as fun and enjoyable as Wii Sports/Bowling, for their PS3.

i enjoy bowling a lot, but here in Los Angeles, it's gotten ridiculously expensive to hit the lanes with my friends. in this case, i wouldn't mind having a digital alternative (which shouldn't be too shabby once i get my 40inch Samsung HDTV in two weeks or so). i don't own a Wii (and don't have any plans to for now), so, as long as this game from Sony functions, i may have to try it out. so far, it's gotten some really positive feedback from the press.

[TheExecutive]

no wii strap = danger to my 61"... no thanks...

[PhinneousD]

sony just need to learn how to shut the f'up sometimes. that's their problem... loose lips sink consumer's respect. and to be honest i think sony is lacking fresh ideas and have to fall back on what the other consoles are doing. oh well, they will look pretty doing it.

[M_Prime]

1. How do u hold the PS3 controller? i mean the WIIMOTE holds in ur hand great, i cannot see how the PS3 controller will feel like a ball.. i mean do u play like WII SPORTS BOWLING or is it using buttons or do u swing the controller and the ball is automatically released?

2. @4.1(VirtualGamer) at the end you say that there is no demand in NA for the 20GB SKU of the PS3 and thats why its dropped, which is understandable but there isn't really any demand for the 60GB model either..

3. even if SONY has rumble ready in their next batch of controllers i doubt they will be releasing them anytime soon simply because if they do that then all those PS3s sitting on the shelf would either need a price drop or to have new controllers with rumble added to them. I mean if u could buy a PS3 (big if for many people) and had a choice between the old non rumble controller and the new improved controller with rumble then which do u buy? hmm..

4. @15 I totally agree, if sony PRs would just shut up then they wouldn't be in this mess.. you don't see Nintendo mouthing off.. or hyping just about anything they can out there.. so far TV wise i see many PS3 commercials.. a few WII commercials and the last time i remember a 360 commercial was when DEAD RISING was out.. that thing was always played..

and i remember when SONY said rumble was OLD GEN and a week or 2 later they annouced that they are working on a rumble controller for PS3.. I don't blame PR for that one 100%.. cause i mean at first he thought there was no rumble so said something that ALMOST made sense.. and then SONY says that they will have it and he has to go back on his comment...

Just follow NINTENDO and you will be fine, i know you'll be copying them but it will be in a silent way cause we won't hear any new news.. until its just about to be released (like about new game releases) this way when the main company changes its mind u still haven't said anything and you can save ur butt.. without anyone knowing.

though i wonder.. when is the first 360 motion controller coming?

[QuackPot]

Meaning it is technology that reached its peak in the ps2/xbox era.

Does that mean it's not applicable to next gen.....of course not?

Rumble is now a standard but is old gen technology.

Now, motion controllers were also avail during the OLD GEN era.
This video shows a Ps2 motion control and rumble controller available in 1999.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=...
Well before the wiicontroller.

Now Motion control didn't reach its peak during the OLD GEN era but it is obviouly now achieving it during this era with the Ps3 and Wii. Motion control will now become a standard for controllers like rumble has.

And when this era is over and the future gen consoles come, rumble and motion will be old gen TECHNOLOGY but will still be the standards to be used in future controllers.

Get everything in context why don't you?!

[peksi]

Do you really think one type of game should exist in just one platform? Hell no.

Of course there will be rivals in the same playground, that's the way competition works.

[InMyOpinion]

Cool...you invented the bowling game. What's important is who gets it to the market first. I guess he forgot about that. How good is a game that no ones playing?

[JJB-360]

How the hell do you go about bowling with a 6AXIS anyway?

[texism]

I can already imagine the downfall of gaming. Sony wins and is on top, Nintendo goes software only, and so does Microsoft.That would REALLY suck because Sony would have no one to copy off of and we'll be getting 1999.99 consoles with the god-processor and ultraviolet-ray.

[THE_JUDGE]

I'm pretty sure that when Trenton said that rumble was last gen they had already started working with Immersion on the form of rumble (its called TouchSense) that I believe they will put in the Sixaxis. There have been story's about it before, if you google it you will find them. TouchSense allows rumble and tilt but the rumble is more refined. For example, if you are playing a FPS and you run out of bullets, they controller will make a tiny jolt like the feeling of an empty gun. Another example would be if you were playing a Star Wars game and your character had a light saber, when they moved it the vibration would move across the controller as if you were holding the saber.