Forza 3 vs GT5:P comparison - Suzuka F430 comparison

From Gameswire: "This is it – the first direct head-to-head comparison of GT5 Prologue and Forza 3.

"And we do mean "direct comparison". Same car, same circuit, same resolution (1280x720), same capture equipment.

"Prologue still looks more polished. The colour palette used is more natural and the anti-aliasing is streets ahead of Forza 3's.

"[But Forza 3 is more detailed]".

[swiftshot93]

The lighting in GT5 is ahead of anything Ive seen IMO, but they both have amazing graphics

[josuttis]

Doing an honest comparison of 1080p GT vs 720p Forza would defeat the purpose of this article.

The gaming media desperately wants to keep the illusion that 360 is in the same graphical league as the PS3.

Can you imagine the cries of outrage if the gaming media compared a 360 game running at 480p to a Wii game and spouted a bunch of both games 'have plusses and minuses' BS like this silly article?

[gameangel]

If you showed GT5:P at 1080p, it'd just show up even more of the imperfections. IF anything they're doing it a favour by capturing at 720p as the downsampling smooths off jaggies and such.

Anyway, resolution is irrelevant - what's clear to see is that Forza has much more detail. But don't be sad or angry - it's OK - GT5 will surely best Forza when it turns up next year.

[josuttis]

Granted Turn 10 has nowhere near the talent of Polyphony and they are stuck with the massively weaker Xbox 360 graphics hardware.

But...

that doesn't excuse Forza's absolutely F-ed up lighting model and car rendering. The massive parallel number crunching power of the SPUs in the PS3 give Polyphony the power to implement GT's insane lighting model, but even GT on the PSP has a more realistic lighting model than Forza 3 - but at a lower resolution.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Yeah the lighting engine in F3 is inferior in so many ways. Looks very unrealistic.

[deadreckoning666]

Most idiotic comparison EVER. Ur comparing details of one car. I still don't understand why either 360 or PS3 fanboys are goin crazy over either of these games. Driving sims are tired IMO. If u like driving sims, thats great. But I bet many people here that are defending either of these games don't plan on buying either one. There just doing it out of the "I have the opportunity to play it and u don't, so I win" mentality.

[droid and bot]

why dont everyone just wait tell the games are out ?
and why is GT Running at half its resolution ?

[BulletToothtony]

this is a crappy site, and the guy doesn't own a 1080p tv.

[G3TDOWN]

seriously lmao ! jaggies all over the place, no good looking grass, the roads don't look as good as GT5 roads

the list goes on and on

[badz149]

one word: "priceless"

how can anybody be proud saying that when it's a comparison with a 2 year old game which was touted as a glorified demo and not at it's native resolution?? GT5P@720P is like a sheep slap in the face!!

ps: nice spin though!

[Maddens Raiders]

Gran Turismo's been steering this PlayStation ship for quite some time. Looks like more smooth sailing ahead boys.

[ultimolu]

This is getting so pathetic now. Seriously, it is.

If Forza 3 is so good, then let the game speak for itself. Why use GT5: Prologue?

[GUNS N SWORDS]

you know, whoever though that ps3 and 360 gamers could coexists on the same thread wasn't thinking accurately....and if he was i don't see it happening.

clearly there's no point in making a zone for gamers if no one's abiding them. the gamer zone once again looks like an extension of the open zone, and for some reason it keeps on following that path.

[doG_beLIEfs]

aside from the fact that they have taken down the resolution maybe its just me but without a doubt IMO the brightness and the contrast levels on the GTp side is turned way way down. there is only midday in gtp and i can tell you this much it looks much brighter than this. you can barely see inside the cars in the gtp screens and when i play the game i can not only see inside the car clearly but i can see the reflection on the rearview mirror and see the track and or cars in the mirror.

if these "fair" comparisons are doing this kind of crap now with toning down the resolution and darkening the picture...what will they do when gt5 is shown with its 1080p glory?

maybe they will show it with the color turned off on the ps3 side.

just so sad really...the haters have nothing left so they resort to fixed views tactics and fabricate fair and balanced.

cycle through these gt5p screens and tell me that it does not look MUCH brighter

http://www.cheatcc.com/imag...

[Death]

Correct me if I am wrong, but the Forza 3 demo I downloaded off Xbox Live Marketplace was free. The GT5: Prologue disc I bought cost $39.99 at Gamestop. I really want to believe that is more than a demo since I actually paid for it. We can downplay Prologue all night long, but at the end of the day it's a stand alone release with a pretty hefty price tag considering how limited it is compared to a full release.

720p is half of GT's "native" resolution? 720p is 1280x720 pixels. That's 921,600 pixels on screen at once. "True HD" is 1080p which is 1920x1080 for a grand total of 2,073,600 pixels. GT5:P runs natively at 1280x1080 which comes out to 1,382,400. The PS3 is upscaling the rest to 1080p which is the same thing the Xbox 360 does with games that aren't native 1080p.

I'm not sure why people get so excited over native resolutions. Your eye can't tell the differance. Devs are smart and know how to use the hardware to optimize their games. Both games output 1080p and both games upscale.

-Death

[Mr Logic]

Nobody sees anything wrong with comparing a demo that is 18 months old to a new game?

[Mr Logic]

Forza 3 looks amazing, but IMO the cars look "plasticy".

[Death]

"Nobody sees anything wrong with comparing a demo that is 18 months old to a new game?"

I'm more surprised nobody feels paying $40 for a demo is kind of a rip off. I'm starting to feel bad about buying Prologue now. Are we sure we want to call Prologue a demo after fighting so hard to justify the price tag a year or so ago?

-Death

[soxfan2005]

You should know by now that PS3 fanboys will consider GT5P a demo when it suits one arguement, and a stand-alone release when it suits another.

GT5P had 6 tracks and 70 cars. The full version of GT5 is rumored to have 70 tracks and 1000 cars, meaning Prologue is less than 1/10th of the full game. However, it costs $40, 2/3 the price of a full game. Yet, these are the same people who complain about Halo 3:ODST's price.

@1.2 - "The gaming media desperately wants to keep the illusion that 360 is in the same graphical league as the PS3."
People who live in the real world know it's not an illusion. PS3 fanboys like you and your multiple accounts are the only ones in denial about it. But, go ahead and bury your head in the sand and cry "media bias" if it makes you feel less insecure.

[MNicholas]

Amazing what the power of suggestion can do and the magazine has wrongly suggested that Forza 3 is a better looking game when anyone who's technically knowledgable will tell you the reverse.

Let's get the first and most obvious out of the way ... the cars. Apart from drawing twice as many car, GT5 Prologue's car is blatantly smoother and more detailed. The lighting in Forza 3 simply pales in comparison. What's more, while GT5 Prologue allows you to see the beautifully shaded interior through the rear window, Forza 3 simply blacks out nearly all interior surfaces to conserve shading and texturing capacity.

As for the backgrounds, the truth is that the backgrounds in Forza 3 are worse.

Neither has good textures in grassy areas.

However, GT5 Prologue has far more grass objects. Vastly more. There's tons of grass in GT5 Prologue but it's rather sparse in Forza 3.

The road edge textures (where road meets grass) uses sharper and visibly less compressed textures in GT5 Prologue. The white lines, which, believe it or not, are made using polygons (in both games) rather than painted textures, are much smoother and better defined in GT5 Prologue.

Forza 3 also displays some truly bizarre artifacting, perhaps resulting from the way the 360 handles alpha to coverage (ie., not enough samples). It's pretty bad actually.

Forza 3 is also skewing the FOV (field of view) considerably such that things appear farther away than they really are. This allows more LOD reduction on environment objects and reduces strain on the hardware but isn't realistic. Burnout games do this as well but those don't pretend to be sims.

It's ironic that gameswire talks about the detail in Forza 3 dotting the track because thats exactly what it does. Lines, fences, and trees are very dotty indeed due to the low sampling rate.

There's a reason GT5 Prologue looks so polished and clean compared to Forza 3. It's not just because Forza 3 has lots of jaggies. It's because GT5 Prologue is simply using a lot more samples per pixel in everything it does, from transparent surfaces to lighting. It's also rendering more polygons and more pixels. In fact, it's doing more of everything.

To put it simply:

Forza3: 0.92 Million pixels/frame
GT5 P : 1.38 Million pixels/frame

GT5 P is literally rendering 1.5 times more pixels/frame with visibly more samples per pixel and noticably more polygons (especially dynamic objects like cars and grass).

That's a vast gap in performance.

[u got owned]

Both games look good and both games have its strength and weaknesses. I have played the Sh@t out of F2 and GT5P and i will play the Sh@t out of F3.

[Megan Fox]

GT5P has better AA and lighting everything else goes to F3.

[aaron5829]

As sarcasm.

Isnt it that the xbox fans calling it a demo since day 1 ? "Oh you'd rather pay for a glorified demo...lolzz failzz" " ohhh 40 bucks for a demo ... lolzzzz" "go back and play your 40 dollar demo you droid!!" " Sony milking the franchise, charging 40 dollars for a demo... you droids will do anything to suck sony ballz..."

Sounds familiar ?

And now, when the ps fans use the term demo (in a sarcastic way), the xbox fans goes... "How can you call it a demo, when you paid for it.." " Since when GT5P is a demo.... it cost 2/3 of the full game..." blablabla..blablabla

Whatever guys...

Fanboys.. you get on my nerves.

[darthv72]

but this comparison blows. I hate the fact that gt5 cars are smaller on screen as compared to forza. Is there no view setting where both are set at the same (or similar) draw distance on the screen?

While gt5 has nice lighting, forza has better sizable car models (bigger on screen). I personally like bumper cam but next to that I like the above car view (being shown).

Why cant fans on each side just be happy at what is being offered?

Also, why is it matter so much to the gt5 fans that forza looks like it does? Criticize the devs for their assinine statements but dont criticize the games. Both are hot no matter what.

[MNicholas]

Wishful thinking.

Car detail: GT5 Prologue
Number of cars: GT5 Prologue
Resolution: GT5 Prologue
Lighting: GT5 Prologue
Shadows: GT5 Prologue(smoother)
Road Detail: GT5 Prologue (better lines and bumps)
Grass: GT5 Prologue (far more grass, animated)
Realistic FOV: GT5 Prologue (not artifically skewed)
LOD: GT5 Prologue (visibly less artifacting and rendering errors)
Quality of rendering: GT5 Prologue (insufficient samples per pixel result in dithering and other artifacts in Forza 3, which also has lots of jaggies)
Trees: Forza 3 (frankly, both use last-gen trees)
Buildings: Mixed (both win a few)

The only areas where Forza 3 competes are trees and buildings. Both games use trees from last-gen consoles. Forza 3 uses trees that are better looking up close but LOD out to a bunch of sprites at a relatively short distance, very reminiscent of SpeedTree.

Everything goes to GT5 Prologue by a landslide.

An in-car view would have been even less flattering for Forza 3.

[DeepInterludium]

More detailed huh?
http://i38.tinypic.com/2554...

[fishd]

poor gameswire,They are trying so hard
*pats gameswire on the head*

[tuglu_pati]

i have to give this one to forza 3. Still, GT5P looks good for a two year old demo.

[god_o_war]

all i can say is.... this is my desktop background

http://i38.tinypic.com/2554...

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Seriously, do you know where that word "demo" for Prologue originated from? GT5P was first labeled a demo by the 360 fanboys. Go read up all the articles here on N4G and you will see what I'm talking about. But now that FM3 is here or almost here, the term seems to backfire to you 360 fanboys because FM3 is no where near graphical qualities of GT5P. It must suck to see your beloved 2009 game get beat by a 2007 "demo" huh? LOL

[soxfan2005]

Beat?? Hardly. Remember, the PS3 came out a year later than the 360, and cost $200-$300 more - it should have much better graphics. Yet, Forza 3, on technology that's a year older than PS3's, looks just as good. I'll give GT5P a very slight edge in a few graphical areas, but overall, they look roughly the same.

Of course, many people here are shallow enough to care only about graphics - gameplay doesn't seem to matter to them. And it's gameplay where Forza shines above all others - go read up on it.

GT5P doesn't "beat" Forza 3 just because of a few barely noticeable graphical differences. Games have a LOT more to them than that.

[GMR_PR]

F3 have much detail but i think that's what makes it look less real. In some screens GT5p looks better and F3 looks better in other ones. I think overall both games look similar.

[pixelsword]

those are the two most current games, so why people are wasting their time with Prologue is beyond me.

[JANF]

My vote goes to F3, F3 has much more detail. The only thing i like about Gt5P is the anti aliasing the game looks smooth, both games look good though.

[vhero]

Gotta love how they all have to compare with GT5P to get their thrills eh? Why not compare with one of the need for speeds on the PS1 while your at it so you can say your better than a nearly 10 year old game aswel as a 2 year old game.

[Maddens Raiders]

Boom!

[beardpapa]

Forza 3 looks "just as good" as GT5p ? Nah. You kidding me? That's like saying Vince Vaughn looks just as good as Brad Pitt.

You know what looks just as good however? Quantum Theory & Gears. "Just as good" is a better statement for those two.

And yes, like someone above said, the only reason why people use the word "demo" for GT5p is because that's what the "other" people have been calling it while ridiculing PS3 owners for paying $40 for this "demo."

AFAIK, i remember having to pay for the previous other prologues in the series, but regardless of that, GT5p is much more than a "demo" but hey! That's what the "other" people liked calling it. F##king double standards I tell you.

[INehalemEXI]

Gran Turismo 5....(Prologue) <- def. Introduction, ....it is a Prologue what comes before ...the full game. What we see here is a comparison of a very early build of GT5 to a final build of Forza 3 no?

[hay]

@IDemonstalkerXI: Nah, Xbox fanboys will then scream something like: "you sony fanboys are pathetic, comparing new game with half a year old one."

Huh, on the funny side I actually mistaken F3 and GT5P screenies, looked and was like: "whoah! where are those jaggies from? My game doesn't have that much jaggies!" And after a few seconds it occured to me that it was Forza screenie. Huh.

To be fair I think Forza3 has the edge on most of environments(newer tech, obviously) but GT5P beats it in car models and lighting. They just exceed each other in different areas.

[starvinbull]

The one thing that stood out for me in those screenshots was HDR. Forza 3 doesn't appear to have it.

[Syronicus]

Having to compare a new game to an old DEMO is pathetic to begin with but what is more pathetic is that the demo looks better than Forza 3. And they had to dumb down the demo to 720 instead of using it's native resolution. Sad, pathetic, disappointing. Prolog beats out FM3 - again.

Maybe if the devs at Turn 10 spent less time trash talking and more time developing, they might have made a better looking game...?

[Oner]

This comparison is BS. You can see the proof right in the pictures themselves. Look at all of these "direct comparison" grabs right from their site that THEY provide and you will CLEARLY notice how there is a weird artifacting/graining on the GT5P F430's rear diffuser. Once you see it you will notice it leads into the car itself along with the lower HUD and some of the backgrounds ~

http://www.gameswire.net/co...

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Correct GT5P screen grabs on other more respected sites DO NOT HAVE THIS what I can only describe as an artificial macro-blocking compression effect or something.

Now I know "certain types" will claim I am being some conspiracy theorist blah blah blah, but the evidence/proof is there for ALL TO SEE and confirm for themselves. If you don't see it then you have selective vision for some odd reason (and I would wonder why?)...

Here is a PROPER 1280x720 grab of GT5P's visuals for those that would say other wise and don't want to believe the facts right in front of them ~

http://www.cynamite.de/imgs...

[MNicholas]

Turn10 simplified the car model considerably and skewed the perspective. Most of you understand that reducing polygon count improves frame-rate but the concept of skewing perspective or field of view is probably something new to most non-developers.

As you know, things that are farther away appear smaller. In video games, this allows the far away objects to be rendered using simpler models, sometimes just simple sprites suffice. This trick is quite common on all platforms. It's unrealistic but makes it easier to achieve a target frame-rate.

With Forza 3, they've done precisely that. They significantly skewed the perspective to shrink objects farther away from the camera since that allows very aggressive LOD to be used, ie., they can use simpler models for buildings, trees, spectators, etc.., and most importantly, dynamic geometry like cars.

The perspective is so skewed that even the main car model appears to be deformed.

Here's a quick comparison of Forza 3 with a real car and GT5P. I've added vertical lines between key aspects of the car models to highlight how proportions are represented in the game vs real-life.

http://img245.imageshack.us...

As you can see, with GT5P, everything almost exactly lines up with the car in the photo, from the fenders to the tail-lights to the side-mirrors. The minor differences are because the car in the photo is very very slightly turned to the right and the camera is slightly lower than in GT5P.

However, with Forza 3 there are huge differences. Even though total car width is the same in all the images, the tail-lights are farther apart than they should be while the side mirrors smaller and much closer together than they should be. Side mirrors are only a few feet farther from the camera than the tail-lights yet even they are significantly affected by the skewed FOV.

This is just one of the many compromises Turn10 has made to achieve 60fps. It's one of the more clever ones because few will notice but the performance gains are significant. Sadly it also makes it unrealistic.

Can a racing game give you a warped view of the car and it's surroundings and still be considered a sim?

[Bodyboarder_VGamer]

That is very true but still didn't stop 68 people to disagree with you... When you run GT5:P at 1080P there are more visible jaggies. This is a well known fact.

But this is a double edge sword too because if you are watching both games in person on a 1080p capable tv then GT5:P will look sharper than Forza even with the more noticeable jaggies because there will be no scaling involved. But (too many buts, I know) in a comparison like this one GT5:P actually benefits by running at a lower res than its native for the reasons that @gameangel explained.

[Bodyboarder_VGamer]

Okay, @Oner's comment was indeed very interesting! And the best part is that he has proves!

It seems like gameswire doesn't has the right equipment to grab screens at its maximum quality...

[darkmurder]

Youd hope GT looks better considering how long its been in development for.

[likedamaster]

Forza 3 blows it away in every way.

F3 FTW!

[beardpapa]

I've come to realized after looking at

http://www.gameswire.net/co...

that these comparisons are pointless. One thing for certain is the cars in GT5p are more detailed and have better aa. Another thing for certain is the lighting is better. But isn't it funny that the background content is vastly different between the two? How can you make GRAPHIC comparisons between two things when they're different? How do we know which game is more representative of the real track? Look at the picture in that link! Notice one has mountains in the background and the other more like a hill? Am I to believe that in two years time, mountains grew in the background of this place?

It's almost like someone taking a picture of California in 1950 and another in 2009, then telling you guys "Hey, compare these two pictures. Which one looks better?"

Another interesting thing I noticed lately is that it seems the census has concluded that GT5p models are more detailed. With that in mind, it seems now that the "graphic" argument is that the backgrounds are not as detailed. Wow. First it was Destructoid comparing apples and oranges with the Camino Viejo track vs the TGS Tokyo track, then saying the Forza tracks looks much better. Talk about comparing mountains, grass, and trees against office buildings, people, and ... trees. Where's the Forza city track? Why not compare cities to cities? Don't know about you guys, but I have yet to see a Forza version of a city track as detailed as GT5's Tokyo's or GT5p's london's. I remember people argued that PGR4 had better looking cities than GT5p, but the truth is it didn't, there was a lot of aliasing, and the buildings didn't look photoreal. Now PGR4's environmental ambience was better but the KEYWORD is that it didn't LOOK as good.

So what if GT5p does have better detailed backgrounds than Forza 3? I thought people don't play racing games to stop in the middle of the track to admire backgrounds or the hot 3D woman in the red dress. Will we start comparing the clouds? The 3D stick figure audience? The X-shaped trees? The birds? The little dog s#it that's on the sidewalk? Gaming journalism. That's how retarded it's become.

[edgeofblade]

It's incredible how much fear the GT5 fanboys are expressing when they tear down Forza. I don't really care which game wins... I just want to see the GT5 fanboys get skewered for being sheep and defending a game simply for being the crown prince of the genre. Is Forza an affront to the monarchy, so to say?

[SaberEdge]

Both games look great, but Forza 3 definitely looks better to me in these screenshots.

[FlipMode]

Its getting old now. But I have to say GT has great lighting.

[James Bond]

Forza 3, you failed against a demo. Congratulations.

[ambientFLIER]

Demo? Wait, I thought you guys said it was a full-fledged game? Why would it cost $40 if it was a demo?

[radzy]

i am like a yoyo . gt5 looks better ...... now forza 3 looks better .......they both look good.
but i do think gt5 full game will look better.

[saint_john_paul_ii]

because it had tons of content for a game that was not a final product, not to mention, a constant flow of updates that kept the game going.

[Bill Gates]

Even in pictures GT looks like it's running at 60fps..sooo smoooth!!

Meanwhile Foolza 3 looks like a wheelchair being tossed down a flight of stairs .....AHHAHAHHAHAAHHAAHHH A

[kevinx1000]

so killzone 2 also lost against a demo?

[likedamaster]

Forza 3 looks obviously better. And you don't have to wait 6 more months to play it.

[Gabe EatsWell]

Pwndza

http://www.gameswire.net/co...

[Kill Crow]

GT5 has no shadows on the car, and the road and grass is a single texture?

not a good example at all

[gameangel]

Awesome. Best GT5P Vs Forza 3 comparison yet. Forget the fanboy arguments, it's genuinely interesting (for me, anyways) to compare the exact same bits of the track from both games and see the differences.

I can't help but wonder what the inevetable GT5 vs Forza 3 shots are going to look like come March time.

[gamesR4fun]

forgeta already has a hard nough time staking up ta prolog.

[renegade]

Forza 3 getting PWN by a 2 years old Demo.

[itisa]

Frickin embarassing.
Seriously I'm done waiting,how can they let someone make a better game that's actually a demo and 2 years ahead.
360 it is, Forza it is, Bill Gates it is!

Wait a minute,something's not right with the last line...

[Xi]

And it's even harder when I see the 2 games in motion.

Imo, Gran Turismo has better lighting and slightly more accurate car details.
Forza has better environments and textures.

After playing both, the people who tend to think they differ drastically are ignorant of one or the other.

[7ero H3LL]

when actually examining the environments, forza3's got pretty decent foliage.....if I'm permitted to say.
http://www.gameswire.net/co...

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[Xi]

I also noticed that the fence casts a shadow onto the road.

[Kyur4ThePain]

Does the grass move in Forza when a car goes by?

[Mr Logic]

No doubt about it. The scenery is better in Forza. But honestly I don't care what the grass looks like when I'm racing, but maybe that's just me.

[MNicholas]

Look again at the pictures. GT5 Prologue has far more grass.

[Godmars290]

Forza has better better grass, but that's about it.

[Dutch Boogie]

Wow what an achievement /sarc

Now if only the grass moved when a car drives by. Oh well looks like GT5:P still has better grass physics lol.

[UncleJaysus]

In this particular comparison, Forza is light years ahead.

Sure, you kind of expect it to be given the timeframes involved, but it really is interesting to see how far ahead Forza's Suzuka really is.

[josuttis]

LOL! Funny.

[Arnon]

He's being serious.

The overall detail is higher in Forza 3. Hell, even the article itself says that. Also, environmental detail is vastly superior in Forza 3. Car models can be argued about, but I'd say that Forza 3's detail (once again like the article states) is vastly superior.

[PS3 slim]

Ouch... I feel for my fellow PS3 fans that have faked so many comparisons only for the truth showing Forza 3 blowing GTP out of the water in the end. When will the embargo end so we can put this issue to rest for good and my fellow PS3 fans can move on.

GT5p looks like a PS2 game in comparison but I can deal with that because I'm a big GT fan.

[GamerSciz]

We must be looking at different screen caps...

[PS3 slim]

Same screens just not in denial.

[na2ru1]

when everyone is entitled to their opinion. sh*t basically. Not given a single reference for us to base his comments on.

[thebudgetgamer]

why is it that you can clearly see through the back window in one game, in the other not so much?

[PS3 slim]

The reference comes from

GT-PSP vs Forza 3
GT5P vs forza 3
Forza 2 vs Forza 3
NFS vs Forza 3

All coming from blogs and hate websites and finally screens not altered from gameswire.net

Just saying I will be getting GT5 and not Forza.

[thebudgetgamer]

the consoles their on doesn't make a difference. i understand though, you're trying to win the great fanboy war. good luck with that.

[TheBand1t]

You're not fooling anyone, Why Dis.

[TheMailman]

You win the prize for the Xbox fanboy of the year… You create a fake avatar just to be heard...

That I call true love…

[MetaIGearRising]

Poor xbots, forza 3 owned by a demo.

again.

[Ron_Burgundy]

the details on the car all F'd up in Flopza 3

someone forgot to tell M$ and Turn 10 the 8-bit generation was 20 years ago

[SpenserTracy]

It flops.

[Kleptic]

wait what?...are those people in the stands in forza 3 really like sprites or something?...seriously...is this like a joke...it looks like someone chopped those in, there is no way the real game is like that, right?...

and did I just read something about forza 3 having better lighting?...I am fairly confident that I am not in reality right now...

[ambientFLIER]

The people look the same in both games.

[LordMarius]

So again was this Disc 1 or 2

looks like a flop

[arsenal55]

the track was disc 1 but the car was disc 2.

gt5 2 year old DEMO FTW!!!!

[colossi16]

Is that what the f430 looks like in forza?

[ambientFLIER]

no

[Software_Lover]

Why do they feed the fanboys? Why cant people just give turn 10 credit for what they have accomplished in forza's short life span. maybe people would if they (turn 10) would shut up, LOL. As a prolific GT lover (I have every game including my original ps1 games), I can give Turn 10 props. Making a GREAT RACING SIMULATOR is not easy. It takes time skill and patience. They are just getting started. I think given more time and probably the next MIcrosoft platform, we will start to really see where they are going with this.

I didn't say anything about PD because nothing needs to be said. EVeryone knows what Gran Turismo is and what great devs they are. But they are on their 5 (6th if you cound GT5 prologue as GT5 will be a different game all together) installment and we expect their game to be great.

[Knghtz]

I agree I'm getting sick of all this fanboyish nonsense. Although a portion of it is probably due to Turn 10's mouth...

[rjgbyrne]

Nothing in Drakes Fortune hasn't already been done on Xbox graphically and Killzone could also be done. I 100% believe that all games on both systems could be produced almost identical on both systems. The only difference is PS3 has Blu-ray and Xbox has a much larger catalogue of great games. These comparisons are exactly what the industry doesn't need, fanboys cackin on about which is better... where is the comments on gameplay, which is paramount. They are both at heart driving games, and I am sure they both play fantastic. I have an Xbox as I had it from Day one and enjoyed every cent I paid for it, I have not yet bought a PS3 and don't feel the need to as its still too pricey, the machine has dropped, games are marked up over xbox and blu-ray is not at mainstream prices yet. But I will get one when that all gets ironed out. Otherwise I would tell anyone who bought either version, enjoy it for what it’s meant to be, a game. Its not a deaths entence to own either version. Fanboys need to go, pure thoroughbred idiots!

[Knghtz]

Nice words of wisdom. Have a bubble.

[saint_john_paul_ii]

so why hasn't there been a game on the 360 that can contend with a PS3 game graphically over the last 3 years?

the truth is they are not on par with each other...

EDIT: lol disagrees.. if you are disagreeing, you are in denial.

here, have fun:

http://kineticninja.blogspo...

[thebudgetgamer]

ps3 slim makes me laugh because hes having fun. its hypocrites like you that try to hide how much of a fanboy you really are that bother me.

[Software_Lover]

I like how you skipped right over the xbox and gamecube, LOL. Whatever works for you I guess.

But graphics do not make a game great and graphics do not define a console. It may help the fanboys sleep at night but in the big scheme of things it really means nothing except when we enter a new console phase.

[Knghtz]

I will agree on lighting. I think the softer colors and lighting both go to Gran Turismo. However, the textures and the overall details to me look better on Forza. Overall I think Forza is looking better but GT:P is just a Prologue and I figure PD has made some graphical improvements since this.

Props to gameswire for these great comparisons.

[Nathan Drake2]

pics of gt5p are definitively downgrading.clever gameswire.

[Knghtz]

Why is everything apparently a conspiracy :(

[SupaPlaya]

the original GT5 prologue pics are 1080P. It was swapped by an UFO. Looks like they are interested in this war as well.

Bring it on aliens. We got Chuck Norris.

[likeaboss302]

I think they both look great. Just different art styles. I'll most likely own both games.

[ambientFLIER]

Seems like GT5P has sterile environments...Forza definitely wins in that. As far as the cars go, it's hard to tell. The different lighting makes it hard to tell. I guess I prefer the GT5P lighting, even if it does make the car look a bit washed out.

Overall, the differences are pretty minor.

[DavidMacDougall]

GT5:P wins over Forza and its years old, GT5 has already destroyed it and its not finished yet! LOL

[DonCorneo]

are you a dummy? that's how real tracks look.. play mario kart if you want out of this world tracks

[thebudgetgamer]

anyone else notice how in one game you can clearly see through the back window, the other not so much.

[Sunny_D]

Forza MotorSport: The Real Parking Simulator.

@TheBudgetGamer: They blackened the back window so that they wouldn't require as many polygons to be used when playing. If you look at the Menu cars of Forza 3, you see the windows are clear. As soon as you play the in game model, it becomes dark.

[thebudgetgamer]

lying?

[Grand Turdismo 2015]

WOW. You just can't win with these PS3 idiots! Forza has better track and environment detailing, with things like shadows, trees, trackside objects, etc, yet that's a disadvantage now because real tracks are supposed to look sterile? WOW. This is just sad. If GT5P had better environments, we'd hear about it non-stop, yet now it doesn't matter all of a sudden. In fact, you droids would be happy with a one-billion polygon car driving around on a blank screen...how pathetic.

[cellfluid]

dubin down the ps3 version 2 satisfy the 360 standers... 720p ha how about gt5 n full def 1080p n forza n its maximum def... then we shall c... that's how u compair exclusives vs exclusives n all its glory!!!!!!!

[Knghtz]

Those are not sentences!

[kumashii38]

Forza3: up to 8 players
GT5P: up to 16 players

[Arnon]

Lol wasn't there a nascar game that supported like 40 cars at once? Does that mean it totally destroys both of these games combined?

[Knghtz]

Yes.

Similarly at some points in GTA4 you can see more than 40, therefor GTA4 beats them all.

[PS3 slim]

So you admit these screens reveal all those comparisons are rubbish.

[Nathan Drake2]

hej,people.rjgbyrne thinks that killzone 2 could be done on x360 graphically the same as on ps3.funny guy.and guess what.he's x360 only owner.and guess what.he's probably under 15.

rjgbyrne,if you think that all games on both systems could be produced almost identical on both systems did you ask yourself why they don't?why killzone 2,mgs 4,little big planet,uncharted 2 looks better then anything on x360 which is much easier to develop for?

[Smootherkuzz]

your showing the left side of the car and track for the Xbox 360 and the Right side of the car and track for the PS3 this is not a Direct Comparison, to really show the difference everything has to be the same for both games, and who really gives a sh-t? for most people if you have the PS3 your not going to run out and buy a Xbox 360 just to play Forza 3 or any other 360 gear your going to wait for GT and Xbox 360 owners are not going run out to buy a PS3 just to play GT when it is released so it do not matter which one looks the best or plays the best the deciding factor will be which system you already have and if your are a fan of that system. now some people own both systems and may buy both games or not I have all Xbox gear so thats what I will buy it will take a whole lot more then this to make me spend more money on another system at this point and the same would be true if I owned a PS3 so go on ahead and fight over which is better maybe they should make a game called which one is better and put the fight in the game so people can duke it out till the last game and system is standing. I bet people still won't be satisfied and continue wanting fight even though the game will be over. lol

[Tekton014]

you can also view the pictures stacked lol.

[punisher99]

Do they actually think that Forza 3 is gonna look better than GT5:P? Seriously? GT5p is 1080p NATIVE. and 60fps. In my opinion Forza 3 doesnt even look better than NFS: Shift, let alone GT5p.

[likeaboss302]

GT5 is not full 1080P. Which is 1920x1080. I believe it's like 1280x1080. So it's higher then the 1280x720 spec for 720P but not a full 1080P

[stonecold1]

why cant xbox360 get metal gear solid 4 because of its dvd 8 gbs if you think they are even you need your googles on because not one 360 game compare to a ps3 game and you have never played killzone2 metal gear solid 4 little big planet and do you think 360 is up on par with ps3 with uncharted 2 keep dreaming and one day you will wake up to reality and see how funs its is disk swapping 360 is showing its age im not knocking the 360 fans just point out what was quoted on the thread besides i may buy xbox next year they are great machine and have great software

[m23]

They both look great, what's to complain about?

[Dutch Boogie]

Stop lying to yourself.

[SupaPlaya]

some people are insecure.

Most people complaining though, are probably doing it to spit it in Turn 10's face for running their mouth.

Since I'm here I'm gonna chime in. GT5P has better lightning and not as color saturated as Forza3. Forza3 appears to have better environment and grass, although I'm not digging some of the mountain texture.

I don't think Forza3 looks like crap like some people here would have you believe.

[BussyPuster]

Forza 3 looks ok, but it's not what turn 10 made it out to be. I still think gt5p looks more impressive. Stupid article.

[Saaking]

Flopza looks around 54.2 percent as good as GT5p.

[cmrbe]

The person that waste their time looking at others activity is sad.

[kingdavid]

That took 2 minutes to do. How is that sadder than spending ever minute of every day browsing n4g?

Why arent you playing the esteemed ps3 exclusives instead saaking?

[The Creep]

wow it looks like saaking needs a life loool

[Gago]

Prologue is a focking 3 year old demo of a game thats not even half finished

yet it looks better than that forza 3 that has YET to be released

[Mr Logic]

Because we all know that grass is the most important thing in a racing sim.

[VanHalen]

GT5 looks better than Forza as far as im concerned. Better shadows and lighting. WTF is this idiot that posted this talking about? NFS Shift looks better!

[bunfighterii]

forza looks good, but the demo had alot of jaggies. doesn't look as good as GTP.

in the end this stuff won't stop fans of either series buying their respective games. It doesn't really matter anyway seeing they're both console exclusives...

[crazyclown]

forza 3 = forza 2

forza BLOWS...sucks...and fails

stop with the denial xbox fruitcakes

[aaron5829]

many may argue that the environments in Forza is better. While i agree, that it has more colours, everything looks more colourful and all, grass is greener and stuff like that...

Having said that, check out the actual racing vids of the actual track. Everything really looks dull... that's why i still feel GT has done it right. I mean, if one wants to compare environment details... i think GT's fantasy tracks will provide such details. Green grass, waterfalls, rocks, sunlight through trees etc etc.

Not to discredit forza, as it looks good (environment wise), but, it looks too colourful to be "serious" about it.

[myothercar]

Their screenshot:
http://www.gameswire.net/pi...

Other site's screenshot:
http://www.cynamite.de/imgs...

[Perkel]

yeah i too noticed it,

fullrgb is off on these screens.

[Spinitus]

Why is it that every article i see coming from that site is GT vs Forza bullsh!t articles. They are really desperate for hits, and you fools fall for it.

[Rai]

Xbot hates it when people compared GT5P to Forza 2 now its Forza 3 and GT5P and it doesn't look that much better. The lighting in GT5p is just fantastic.

[CobraKai]

A two year old game holding its own against a newly released game. Forza should be blowing this game out of the water.

[ShuUemura]

After looking at the 1st couple pics, i decided not to take a look anymore. Because it's clearly that a 2 years old demo looks better.

[tosh61]

why did this ever get approved...LAME article and comparison, really.

[XDF]

I will be playing Forza 3 in 3 weeks...and have fun with it. I don't care if GTP/5 has better pixel/lighting etc. I buy consoles to play games and not comparing them for bragging rights.

OK, GT5 look better but I am sure X360 fans do not care just like Halo fans do not care that KZ2 look better.

These comparison BS is the fuel that drives N4G. So freaking sad.

[tosh61]

WHY WAS THIS EVEN APPROVED...LAMMMEEE LAMEEEEEE.

Comparing Forza 3 at its native resolution, and GT:P at half its resolution.

Forza 3 is a brand new game, GT:P is 2 years old.

GT:P was a demo to GT5 pretty much.

Even still Forza 3 has unrealistic colors and lighting. They look like hot wheels cars the coloring is glossy.

[ItsIncognito]

When I show Forza 3 and GT5:P to some kids under the age of 10. The first thing they ask me is why has the one game more cars on the track than the other.

My answer is always the one console cant handle that many cars on the screens than the other console. Because the one console is to much busy with being pretty.

When a child can see the difference in cars simultaneous on screen, I have to laugh that adults are twisting their minds and are stating they are on par.

Every one believes what he wants to believe. The best judge to know the truth is to ask a kid under the age of 10 and they will blatantly state what they see.

Perhaps facts and objectivity in the dictionary of fanboys in general are erased and such a shame that half of the media is run by the same fanboys.

As a consumer and reader of that media, I have the right to know the most objective vision* of a game. Not some twisted opinion because of whatever reason.

In other words reviews by kids under the age of 10 would be very simplistic and tell you blatantly if the game is any good. is.

*100% objective isnt possible because every one is always influenced by his own senses, conscious or not.

[WIIIS1]

So you've been showing the game to yourself and having a monologue?

[Megan Fox]

are you really trying to say that a kids opinion is more valid than one from an adult are you serious? So i guess going by your logic all focus groups should be done with kids under 10 years old. How old are you if I may ask? 10?

[horndog]

For the amount of time it has been in development for i must say it's looking good. Gt does look better but at what cost?time? experience? Gt is got this game beat graphically in my eyes but so what? Im still buying both. GT has always been a looker and T10 is still learning but doing a great job . Forza is probably responsible for the changes in the GT series such as car damage and finally adding Ferrari's and Lambo's to their library after 10 or so years. Who know's maybe by the time GT 6 arrives in the next 6 years or so they might throw in Porsche in the mix to.

[JANF]

good comparison...

[Brixxer600]

And once again it comes down to graphics , it's pathetic . GT has better car models , makes no difference to me.T10 have improved the graphics a lot since Forza2 but the most important improvements are in the physics , after playing the demo for a good length of time i'm "busting at the seams" to get Forza3. I will also get GT5 but if past experience is anything to go by i'll get bored of it quickly and go back to Forza.

Either way it's great that PD now have some true competition. Gamers and car fans will rejoice , while idiotic fanboys with no clue will just keep acting like numpties.

[LinuxGuru]

lol the motion blur in Forza totally messes up the track textures. Look how chopped up they are!

Also, the anti-aliasing, lighting, car models are superior in GT5p.

[hakis86]

Can you guys stop approving "stories" from this site? Thanks =)

[theone26]

Running at at a much lower resolution and half of the total number of cars on screen, you would expect Forza3 to "shine" a lot more, yet it utterly pales in lighting, shading, car poly count and amount of objects on screen to GT5 Prologue. To be fair, Forza does have more varied foliage though. If we compare GT5P's London track then there absolutely nothing in Forza 3 that can compete.

[RowSand]

look at the road in foza s picture.. looks like painting from kindergarden wall.

http://www.gameswire.net/co...

[flaming_xbot]

learn how 2 drink or spell or something epic fail

[flaming_xbot]

ps3 retards on n4g fail let me guess when it gets 9 outta 10's you guys going to b1tch so predictable

[RAVEN81]

i hope forza looks better then a two year old DEMO lol . now put it up to GT5 and we"ll see

[xg-ei8ht]

Honeslty 360 owners, If you want to buy forza3 do it.

But please stop posting idiotic articles that once again prove GT5P is vastly superior.

It's getting a tad silly now.

FORZA3 does not even look 720p with x2aa.

Something must have gone wrong.

Next Time Turn 10, well maybe not.

But you know, keep trying.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

According to Mr Yamauchi himself GT5 (the current build he hasn't shown yet) looks miles better than GT5:p or even the TGS footage.

[xg-ei8ht]

Looking up other peoples accounts is bad.

But not as bad as being on xblive.

Wow the abuse is amazing, I'm waiting for live to be shutdown, disturbing to say the least.

And even worse, when someone gets beat in a game, they send u a recorded message slagging u off, i smell a lawsuit.

And once again proves, children play with 360's. i'm thinking 14-16yrlds.

But the good news is, you can win a 360 with MC D's. And then you could get flopza 3 for cheap.

360 owners, can you smell those fries, you know they are calling u.

[Antan]

Come back in 6 months. These articles are getting worse by the minute.

[TheMailman]

Why are the media so desperate trying pass the idea that Forza 3 is a match for GT5!?!?!?

With these stupid articles they only show how Forza 3 looks an old gen game next to GT5 Prologue... I´m not even going to mention the GT5 final game next year..

Xbox is old news, deal with that and move on please...

[pickle1234]

like i said before gt5p backrounds look like a joke. they look last gen. The cars are very similar but the colour pallete in gt5p looks slightly better. but graphically forza 3 is clearly better. what are you people looking at? look at the whole picture. gt5p backrounds are incomparible to forza. ps3 is using all of its power to produce the car models that the backrounds suffer greatly. open you eyes people. you sony fanboys are so pathetic to the point of retardation. It looks so dull and low res

[TheMailman]

Is because people like you that MS keeps making money with defective and cheap technology...

YOU JUST DON´T GET IT, DO YOU!!!!

[il-mouzer]

I tried to revive my xbox today just to get forza3, it's not for the eye candy graphics, i don't give a damn about that but all i wanted was to indulge myself in the online career mode. Too bad now my xbox crapped it's pants :P

[bmbm34]

I don't know why people argue about which is better, their both Great Games!!!

[artsaber]

GT5:P was labeled a "Demo" or "Glorified Demo" by 360 fanboys. GT5:P was fairly priced at $39.99 when released unlike Halo ODST that debuted at $60. It seems ironic now that 360 fans BEST exclusive racer cannot best GT5 "lite" or the "DEMO" that they once heckled. I call it just desserts, poetic justice, and comedy at its best. 360 fanboys run their mouths like Turn 10 mini-mees, as Microsoft repeatedly makes fools out of them.

Forza3 should be decent, but Turn 10 LIED to you with overpromising with bullshot after bullshot. I am glad Forza3's inability to live up to its OWN hype caused by its OWN developer was exposed prior to the game's release. But you 360 fans are too ignorant to know that it is just a cheap attempt at free publicity and advertising. Turn 10 KNOWS that Forza3 ain't no GT5 in quality or features... they are just counting on that 360 fans are too stupid to learn anything beyond the devs commentary, or what a commercial and ad can explain to them... so in other words, they will remain in the dark. And some of them intentionally remain there. I say, if you like arcade style racers, pick up Forza3, it ain't like 360 gamers have any other exclusive releases to buy right now.

The only way for a 360 fan to enjoy Forza3 is accept that it is not and never will be GT5. Accept it as an arcade racer with a different style and feel. Accept GT5 for what it is and what it has been for a long time, the best, plain and simple. If you own both consoles and like racers, try them both out... not for comparison sake, but for enjoyment sake.

It would be nice to serve up Turn 10 some humble pie, but hell, they don't even know how to spell humble. 360 fans, do yourself a favor by not "talking up" inferior products. It makes you look pathetic, uninformed, gullible, and a host of other similar things.

[NateDPG]

Forza 3 yet again pwned, GT5P just looks better and technically it's also much more demanding as it's a 1080p game and carries up to 16 cars on track. So one can forgive the tracks are not as detailed in some instances and as we can see it doesn't make it look worse. PD are just masters and they know exactly where to put the power to make the game look fantastic. Turn10 obiously don't know or they simply can't make a realistic looking 1080p racer on 360.

[Sybreed]

Play GT5 in 1080p or dont play it at all.

and dont waste your time on xBOX

[Darkseider]

and also need to stop drinking the Turn 10 kool-aid. Forza 3 is a nice looking game no doubt. But this comparison shows how even GT5:P has better lighting and car models. GT5:P also has a much nicer road surface not resorting to major blur effects to give the impression of speed. Forza 3 from what I can see in these photos does have slightly nicer environments but nothing that says WOW look at me more then GT5:P. In the end GT5:P overall is still the better looking game compared to Forza 3. Now I wonder if this same comparison will be done when GT5 is released in March 2010?

[GodGinrai]

im gettin both so f*** this comparison!

[sofocado]

"There's a reason GT5 Prologue looks so polished and clean compared to Forza 3"

Yeah that is that is time my friend. How may years are they going to keep polishing it?

[2cents]

lol

[W-k]

ahh yet another article from gamesLiar oops i mean wire *Cough*

[Huluvu]

wtf, Nicholas?(site 1 of comments)
ever heard of camera angle and perspective distortion?

[WIIIS1]

After reading all the crap coming out of PS3 fools on N4G about Forza 3, I downloaded and played Forza 3 demo today. I've played the hell out of Forza 2 and GT5 Prologue (btw you guys should check the dictionary on the meaning of the word and get a grip on reality as to what you expect from GT5), and all I can say good luck Polyphony.

[2cents]

Another day, another sh1tstorm.

[Bobalob]

if your comparing prologue to forza 3 your a fu*king noob.

and your also comparing a simulator with some random 360 arcade gagtash

gt3 is more simulator than forza

that is all.

P.S live for speed and a g25 co*k splat on both these games.

[soren]

and im GTP5 looks better its real looking look at the grass in both games the xbox game looks mor eot be in a cartoony more look and the cars are way to matalic cars are not that shiney now are they the cars in gt5 are realisticly rendenred and the games is not even done yet? well im sick of the pic compairing how about them compairing videos? i think that would show how the grafics much better then still pics but gt5 needs some god damn damges lol

[WIIIS1]

You sure sound like an authentic nintendo fan, but your spelling and grammar gave you away, you belong to the PS3 camp.

[gtamike123]

GT5P is old

[n4gno]

"The gaming media desperately wants to keep the illusion that 360 is in the same graphical league as the PS3"

only bots can believe killzone, uncharted2 or even ratchet and clank are possibles on 360 (if it's possible, why after 4 years i can't see that kind of graphisms ?)

[Tron_Rocks]

Forza III Wins GT looks lame heck Forza 2 looks better than GT5....

Maybe in 15 years when GT6 comes out then they might match up to Forza 15

[cheameup]

Does it really matter which one looks better in a still shot?

Its about how it plays and if it runs smooth .

I own 360 and PS3 so i dont really care but these articles are useless

[Halo_Reach]

GT5 will be out in US / EU next holidays!

You WAIT , WE PLAY!

Unlucky you :)

Buggati Veyron , Fujimi Kaido , Best Sim Ever , Tuners , Racers , Painters and Dreamers.

Forza MotorSport 3 , the Definitive Racing Game!

[Halo_Reach]

Lol , i have got banned before from this zone for much less things.

N4G staff is just ridiculous.

[n1kki6]

Coming in late to this, but it seems people will associate bright colors and resolution to better graphics. To be completely honest I think GT looks much more realistic, but they both look awesome. Even though they are both racing games GT is really a simulation in the end so graphics are only a part of it. Its the flight simulator of driving. It can't be touched when it comes to realism and gameplay,