Alan Wake could've been released much earlier says director, been in development since 2005

Gamesthirst writes: Not many can remember when Alan Wake was announced; that's how long the title has been in the making, in fact speaking to EGTV managing director of Remedy Entertainment Matias Myllyrinne said jokingly, "some of your parents might remember when we initiated the project," he said. It's no joke for Xbox 360 owners who've been waiting on this title for years, however according Matias, Remedy entertainment has been working tirelessly to make sure Alan Wake pans out be the blockbuster it should.

In an interview with EGTV Matias Mylllyrinne fielded some questions to which he gave honest answers:

EGTV: It's been in the works for a while... is the tech still up to scratch?

[kalebgray92]

but development has just dragged on and on not as excited as back then but still will buy

[KingKionic]

I wish it came out this year though ...

But i guess rememdy can polish it up some more .

[kalebgray92]

but they changed it from open world to linear... and since then probably making the quality better.... will be worth the wait.... even though i wish it were open world

[KingKionic]

I hope it sells well . At least a million or more .

[G3TDOWN]

you talk like you are the sales manager of the company... it won't do any good for you if the game sells 10 copies or 10 millions, just hope your favorite game doesn't flop

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Isn't the 360 supposed to be easier to develop games on? I bet they can't deliver on the graphics that they've promised.

[Godmars290]

They couldn't deliver an open world game with environmental effects. Have a tornado rip through town never taking the exact same course twice.

[RockmanII7]

Sales are very important, even if the game is good. If a metacritic average 92 sells very few copies, do you expect a sequel? Think 'Beyond Good and Evil'. Also if sales are bad, it hurts the company as a whole.

[hay]

Unfortunatelly I'm skeptical about games being too much in development... Too Human or Blade of Darkness would be grand examples.

[Syronicus]

But now that is linear they have taken the fun out of the true horror aspect of the title. Now it looks more akin to Alone in the Dark than it's former self.

[Face Palm]

I was really interested in Alan Wake before this past E3 but now that I've seen the actual game, I'm not impressed at all and my hype meter went down to around zero. The game looks incredibly underwhelming especially considering how grand it was going be according to Remedy. I literally LOL'd at how cheesy the game seemed and how the mediocre "creepy" moments were presented. Not to mention the flashlight looked bad and it was clearly a rip off of the Resident Evil laser-sight aiming mechanic.

I remember when Don Mattrick announced it was time for the Alan Wake presentation, the crowd clapped and cheered loudly but after the presentation was done and the developer did their wrap up speech, the attendees clapped in a lax manner that resinated their disappointment.

Not all games can be gems, I suppose.

[AnttiApina]

While I agree it has taken a long time, does anyone remember when these guys released Max Payne after FIVE years of developement? Sounds familiar?

[Lifendz]

I'd rather they push a game back to get it just right then release it prematurely.

[leyego]

keep delaying please
mb u can beat the "too human" record for longest time in dev.

[kalebgray92]

like the ps3? gt5?

[Alcon Caper]

I'm thinking it was delayed because of the Modern Warfare Effect.

[FACTUAL evidence]

When Fanboys used to talk about KZ2, and how long it was in development. Now i LOL'ed hard on this...there was no way the game was able to be released anytime..even at E3 it didn't look polished enough. With the long length of development on this title i expect graphics, and gameplay better than KZ2....uuurm wait..360 isn't that powerful enough? So all i'm saying is Allen wake could be the death of ps3 fans in terms of graphics...it's been almost 5 years Allen...and if you can't measure up to the first installment of uncharted, i feel sorry for you.....uncharted 2 was developed less than 2 years, and has "ONE" of the best console graphics....yeah i know i ranted, but had to get this off my chest...i've been waiting for Allen Wake for too long.

[Ausbo]

why are you bringing uncharted into an alan wake xbox 360 article.
Alan wake has been in development for a long time, mostly because of creating a new engine.
Killzone turned out great after such a long wait, Gran Turismo looks great after 5 years of dev time. This can be a great game.

Ps. Uncharted 2 looks so good because they didn't start from scratch, they had the framework and just improved on the first

[Greywulf]

1. Open World
- The 360 couldn't handle the open world explorable world with realtime weather and night cycles. So the game is linear now, and the visuals are still not on the level of Uncharted1.

So now we are here, with a product that the onlythign someone can say is significant is its "LIGHTING", in the dark? Phenomenal.

Now of course we will get the people that go "BUH GRAPHICS DONT MEAN ANYTHING" clearly, alone they dont. BUt combined with amazing gameplay like MGS4/Killzone2/Uncharted/Uncha rted2/Motorstorm2/Ratchet/Resi s tance/etc, its easy to see that good graphics + good gameplay make great products.

The fact is the 360 can't outpower the PS3 overall visually, just when the PS3 is forced to run the same code that works on the 360. Then you get an insignificant difference that expert geeks have to discover with software.

I mean, thats the reality.

Alan Wake & Splinter Cell are both taking longer than KZ2/Uncharted, and they miss the mark completely. And I dont buy the argument that they are polishing the gameplay when SC was redone from scratch, and Wake removed a gigantic gaming feature.

Edit:

Ausbo, More excuses...

Ratchet & Clank is more advanced than Alan Wake, plus its damn near open world. Started From scratch.

Uncharted 1 = started from scratch and still runs circles around ALan Wake.

You can come up with millions of excuses on why the 360 has yet to show a product that is technically superior to any PS3 exclusive, but have you forgotten that the 360 is "SO EASY TO DEVELOP FOR" and had a year head start? M$ puts their money into advertising, not game technology.

[pegger24]

you are right, I think everyone who owns a 360 should probably just sell it and get a ps3 because you make such well thought out, unbiased arguments.
You act like the game will suck because other games look better. Have you played it? then how do you know?
You compared it to some pretty great games, I think if it is half as good as those it will be a good game. If it is almost as good, then we have a great game on our hands. what is the problem? Oh that's right, you are a captain in a fictitious war on people who like other consoles... RELAX

[GameSpawn]

Seriously, this game is becoming Duke Nukem Forever.

The release date is either unannounced, gets pushed back, or becomes "When it is done.".

People, this game had been pushed since 2005! That's 4 years! Give up it is Vaporware just like DNF.

[pixelsword]

...but quicker yet to he who takes!

[DevastationEve]

Greywolf, Uncharted 1's cinemas weren't even realtime and the model you actually played as was cut down severely from that of the cinematics.

Alan Wake beats Uncharted in scale AND graphics very easy. It runs on the new X Engine, with which developers are now able to use Xenos' full capabilities. They kept certain features locked in their previous DX 9.0c subset API used the dev kits at the time.

Xbox 360 is going to be pushing graphics like you wouldn't believe. 3 16 pipeline shader arrays in a 48-way dual parallel unified shader core, with an additional 192 pixel processors provided by the 10MB of "intelligent memory" eDRAM. Support for tessellation is going to push geometry detail into the stratosphere.

You can't argue the specs, there's sheer horsepower to be reckoned with in Xbox 360.

[DevastationEve]

...gosh, you don't think GT5 would fit that description? It's taking 5 years as well!

edit at below:

Nope, they're different models. Beyond3D.

[Consoldtobots]

@ above

WRONGGGGGGG!!!!!!! again, ND already stated that they use the same polygon model for Nathan in both gameplay and cutscenes where they just turn up the AA and lighting. Yet I see you ALWAYS make claims with certainty about PS3 games that happen to be absolutely WRONG. give it up already.

[Greywulf]

360 owners need to learn a very real lesson here.

Stop talking about graphics when the only titles you can come up with start and end with the Unreal Engine.

"Xbox 360 is going to be pushing graphics like you wouldn't believe"

Going to.. 5 years later and... nothing yet huh?

Again.. show me a 360 game that looks better than Uncharted1, then we can continue talking. Until then.. we will all have to take your word for it.

Ripten’s Uncharted Interview Tease: “Ingame and Cutscene Models the Same”
http://www.ripten.com/2008/...

uamflail

[DevastationEve]

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...

http://ps3.ign.com/dor/obje...

That's cinema. Realtime saved as a video file.

http://ps3.ign.com/dor/obje...

http://ps3.ign.com/dor/obje...

http://ps3.ign.com/dor/obje...

Notice the jaggies and lower res models, textures, clothes, environment. Look at the back of his head on the last ones, lack of detail in his hair. Poor model detail, much simpler geometry.

edit at greydude:

There's no convincing you, there's no convincing me. Sorry, YOU need to drop it and leave this discussion. This article is about Alan Wake, not a PS3 fanboy trying to walk in here throw sh*t in peoples eyes for not believing what you believe in.

Seriously, leave.

[Greywulf]

Uncharted 1's gameplay runs over all things the 360 could produce.
Uncharted 2's gameplay runs over all things the 360 could produce.
Killzone2's gameplay runs over all things the 360 could produce.
Gran Turismo's Demo runs all over all things the 360 could produce.

The cut scenes/replay mode all use the same models, and the in-game visuals are impossible to run on the 360.

Again, name some games. Or drop the subject. We both know you cant, which is why im enjoying you trying to compare UC2 to UC1, you know damn well you cant compare it to ODST or Gears lol, or hell.. even alan wake.

Edit:

Apoc,

so you cant name a game in the 360's 5 year library that looks better than Uncharted1. lol.

You also cant point out the argument that only Uncharteds cut scenes look better than 360 games, that the gameplay differs.

Then the best part:

"Patrick: The characters in Uncharted are some of the most impressive video game models to date. They look even more impressive up close in the cutscenes. Are the in-game models any different from the cutscene models?

Richard: Thanks! Nope, the in game models are the exact same models that are used in the cutscenes. They also use the exact same textures. There really is no difference between them at all.The only difference between the cutscenes and in game is a little higher quality lighting and shadowing. Hopefully not too noticeably different. We really wanted to keep the players immersed as much as possible. This meant using the same assets across the board."

So Apoc what were u saying again.. your first response to me was all kinds of wrong, blathering about cutscenes. Proven wrong now is the time you want to hide behind n4g rules?

[DevastationEve]

KillZone 2's graphics are okay, Uncharted's graphics are great...but the cinemas aren't realtime. They were CG movies.

Here's naughtydog saying it themselves.

http://arstechnica.com/gami...

http://www.gamespot.com/pag...

"We fill the disc at 91 percent and it's optimized, meaning we don't duplicate any data. That includes all our game data, sounds, 7 spoken languages and 102 minutes of movie."

102 minutes of movie...so NOT realtime.

edit at greydude:

You want me to list games with better graphics/gameplay than the ones you've listed?

Geometry Wars Retro Evolved.

2.

[Greywulf]

THE GAMEPLAY OF UNCHARTED2 AND UNCHARTED1 is more advanced than anything the 360 can run.

Again

THE GAMEPLAY of Uncharted2/Uncharted1/Gran TUrismo 5 prologue/Killzone2/MGS4 is all more advanced than anything the 360 can run.

Keep talking about CutScenes all you want, since you brought them up? The images are captured in-engine. Like the replays you can export to youtube.

They are realtime because they aren't PRE-RENDERED in a software package like MAYA or 3DSTUDIO MAX. Like Halo commercials/Gears commercials.

The fact that you know you cant name any 360 games, but insist on arguing Cutscenes is so sad. Sure, Killzone2 doesn't impress you.. yet you cant name a single console game that Graphically more impressive can ya?

This is me:

Uncharted1 is better looking & more advanced than anything the 360 can even load.

This is you:

Buh buh the cutscenes aren't realtime.

This is me:

The game itself, is better looking and more advanced than anything the 360 can load.

This is you:

But theres 102 minutes of cut scenes!

You want to avoid trying to name any 360 game that trumps it, because you know the entire world will laugh at you. And you want to pretend theres some false notion that Uncharted's cutscenes look 900x better than the gameplay, which they dont. Same with GT5p's replays vs ingame. Same models, and the same excuses from you.

In the future, stop using the tired uninformed excuse that PS3's games have to do model swaps to run on underwhelming hardware, thats for 360 games.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

You need to realize that in Uncharted 1, they recorded what supposed to be in realtime in video form to hide loading screens. That was the main purpose in the first game.

It doesn't matter anyway because Uncharted 2 cutscenes are all IN-game and in realtime which makes your whole argument null and voided.

Sorry to disappoint you.

[DevastationEve]

Wulf, I can list several games.

Bioshock is one that comes to mind, it really pushed detail for its time and even had an option to disable vsync so that you could play in the highest FPS. So it has graphics, and it's an FPS...easy formula right? Not exactly...because that's where 2K just throws the book out. Plasmids? Splicers?? 50's theme??? Just for being that unique you'd think it'd just hit the bargain bin...but it didn't. Bioshock is something else.

Mass Effect also comes to mind. It had issues and wasn't held back long enough to iron out those issues, but everywhere else it shined. It has a sophisticated and very well thought out story. Its facial animation and character dubbing have yet to be rivaled. Its sheer ambition still unmatched.

Halo 3 still ranks as my alltime favorite FPS just for it having the tightest console FPS controls in existence. It took on Resistance and its sequel...it took on COD 4, KillZone 2, TimeShift, Crysis, Section 8, Metroid Prime 3, and every other FPS to come after and still none of them have been able to approach the loyalty and admiration that Halo 3 has earned. Maybe COD4 :D

Lost Odyssey is one fine jRPG brought on by Mystwalker that managed to carry the proven excellence of Squaresoft's former head (and during their better days) Hironobu Sakaguchi. I'd actually just as well mention Blue Dragon just for the fact that it reminds me so much of why Toriyama still has a name in this industry. Both games rank very well against the higher profile projects by Squeenix.

Turn 10 may have earned a rep for being loudmouthed and forgetful of its place, yet Forza Motorsport is a brand of racing game that took community to heart. Right off the bat this gen they made sure that the player was treated to not only customization options and online gaming but incredible detail and superb physics. Forza MS 2 is serious enough to be considered a sim, deep enough to keep playing even after 3 comes out.

Capcom's Lost Planet, Resident Evil 5, and DMC 4 while multiplatform still prove that Xbox 360 can do insane graphics. It's actually funny, because for some reason they came out slightly better in their 360 versions. MT Framework is one amazing engine and I suspect that it's the reason why RE5 puts some incredibly insane polygon counts onscreen and why Lost Planet 2 looks so amazing...in fact so does the original, even today!

Even Squeenix has done some fine work with their proprietary engines on both consoles. Once again, yes it's multiplatform but that doesn't take away from the fact that Xbox 360 can do HD gaming. Games like Last Remnant, Infinite Undiscovery, and Project Sylpheed might seem like crumbs from the leftovers of FF XIII's budget but they're actually pretty spot on examples of what they can do. I think they're pretty good rpgs...but it's funny that Mystwalker should be beating them at their own game right now, lol.

Konami...well they DID release Rumble Roses XX on Xbox 360 way back then, lol. We never got to see what Kojima could do with a bigger budget and enough time...I do have some pretty high expectations for MGS Rising. And I hope his recent quotes of showing interest in Natal might result in his actually producing a game for it. It's speculation at best but it's still a future prospect.

So I've done more than name a few games. I've given you a pretty good reason to own an Xbox 360. And there's more to come from all of the developers I've listed. Sure, most of it is multiplatform. But just like you PS3 fanboys insisted on believing in Sony's waiting game, I say let's wait and see what 2010-2011 hold for Xbox 360.

edit at wulf:

I answered that question above in one of my edits :)

It's your point to force me to list games with better graphics and see me fail. I only wish you had the sight to see that really it's a foolish argument. Believe what you want to, but stop trying force your beliefs on other people. You "believe" that those games have better graphics. It's your opinion, it's not fact.

You need to stop forcing your opinions where they don't belong. The left nut has fallen...I strongly advise you to go now before the right nut makes its appearance. And the mighty rod that follows.

[oohWii]

Man, you're deal with some of the biggest fanboy idiots on this site. You really shouldn't waste your time. Everytime you disagree, they log onto another one of their accounts and take a bubble from you.

Bubbles up for your efforts (You're probably gonna need it.)

[Greywulf]

I asked for games that have better visuals than Uncharted or any of the other games I've mentioned. You mention games you like. At this point, you're not going to answer. And I agree that all those games are fun to play.. who wouldn't?

But the question was about visuals and performance. And you most definitely dodged it. Who would disagree with that list of "GAMES I THINK ARE FUN". Not me.

But thats not what I asked you. I asked you to name a game that trumps Uncharted or killzone2 graphically.

[Shadow Flare]

Face it apoc, this is the best your dvd player can pull off, and a 2007 ps3 game just shat sprayed all over it like a shotgun round:

http://kineticninja.blogspo...

[Shadow Flare]

Sorry, sorry, i just re-read your comment.

"102 minutes of movie....so NOT realtime"

Yeah...you realise those 102 minutes comprise of real life behind the scenes footage of naughty dog talking about their game? You did know that right? Its extra content. Behind the scenes footage. Thats what you can do with the space on bluray. But im assuming you knew that right? I mean, you're not a complete buffoon are you? Oh.....sorry you thought those 102 minutes were the cut-scenes. Ah......yes, you are a buffoon. Again, refer to greywulf's link in 1.25 and my link in 1.34 to see that uncharted's cut-scenes use in-game models. Uncharted 2 also uses in-game models. Think before you type apoc

[RememberThe357]

I know your kind of being bombarded, but I gotta throw in my two cents:

Frankly, the list you gave was pretty weak. Bioshack looked great but it was kind of boring. You see how that could be relative? Not a great argument.

When it comes to Mass Effect, there has not been a better RPG this generation. The only flaw it had was animation and MASSIVE pop-in.

Halo 3 was an OK game. I love Halo:CE, but the series still has yet to live up to the original.

Lost Odyssey- Great story telling, poor gameplay.

The fact is that the 360 has not had game that push visually the way many PS3 exclusive have. And even though the 360 has Mass Effect in it's corner, Sony's first and second party studios have been the bench mark of quality this generation.

[DevastationEve]

ShadowFlare thinks he's right.

Greywulf thinks he's right.

Both wrong, Uncharted Drake's Fortune uses CG movies for its cinemas. Check the first 10 minutes video I linked, you'll see the differences. The cinema that plays has no problem loading textures, but the actual gameplay right after (when you start playing) does. You'll see texture pop in and the models are much lower detailed than the ones used in the cinemas.

http://www.gamersyde.com/st...

Keep believing what you want :) It's not realtime.

[Shadow Flare]

Apoc, im assuming you didn't even bother to click the link i provided in comment 1.34? Because if you did, you'd see towards the bottom of the page a comparison beween the uncharted cut-scene and gameplay character models. They are exactly the same models. However just as naughty dog said, the only thing different is the lighting. Please look at the comparison link and tell me there's a difference lol.

Frankly, naughty dog themselves said they use in-game models for the cut-scenes. Why the hell should i listen to you? And looking at the huge amount of graphical masterpieces coming from the ps3, why is it that hard to believe?

[mal_tez92]

This is the biggest flame war I have ever seen in the Gamer Zone.

Alan Wake looks cool but for 4 years of development I thought it would be on the level of Killzone 2 or at least Drake's Fortune. It seems interesting but unimpressive at the same time.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

shame the 360 gimped it.looks on par with Alone in the dark atleast.

[Obama]

Can you believe it when some delusional bots say it looks better UC2? They are truly delusional.

[champ21]

yep its a shame

i will pirate it on the 360.

to bad no pc version i would have purchased it.

[Pirateogta]

I think the delusional ones are the people who's console is in dead, DEAD last place in the console wars, but they act like it's in 1st place. You can tell who these people are because 90% of the comments are from them, even in articles about the 360.

This place is like a fairy tale land where everything is the opposite of reality. Where all the people are violent and rabid and have severe mental illnesses, while all the people in the real world look in here and shake their heads.

[rawd]

The shartbox vids looks brutal.

All the dev videos showing the high end PC version look awesome. If you have a $4,000 computer and Windows doesn't BSOD on you, enjoy

[TheXgamerLive]

Every Xbox related article has you F'ckin little sony b1tches running to it like a crack whore to a pipe, lol, you losers always do this, trying to ruin it but instead you just make your self and your wannabe console look sad and pathetic.
Seriously, if you have any and I mean any good games to play go do it, b/c this just makes you look bad, I mean I know it's frustrating living in the shadows of the Xbox 360 but hell get over it.

[DonCorneo]

LMAO!!1!

[Obama]

The ps3 is certainly the first place in games. Why should we care about the sales like you sales whore do? Besides, the 360 has a year lead and that's the only reason as to why it is leading the ps3 in sales.

[Godmars290]

Yet that was canceled w/o explanation.

[Bigbangbing]

don't blame them.. :(

this game was one of the reasons that made me build a new PC.. dreaming about playing it 1080p with at least 4x MSAA :(

.. well, thanks to micro, I'll be playing it at 720p with no AA :P

[Godmars290]

You also wont be playing it in its first shown form.

Its going to be interesting to say the least how similar it is to Alone in the Dark, and seeing people defending it saying that its nothing like it.

[darkequitus]

@godmars290
Won't be played in its 1st shown form....When did they start shwing actual gameplay. Rolling vistas and a day/night cycle demo does not class as gameplay to me.

Nicuragua - troll no less

[Nicaragua]

The dynamic weather, day/night cycle, rolling vista's were all touted as actual game features which would make Alan Wake something that stood out amongst its peers. Now those things that were touted as features have been removed so now we are left with something that reminiscent of any silent hill game.

Call me a troll all you like but a quick glance through the rest of the comments will show you that im not the only person completely underwhelmed by what was being touted as a killer app.

[AnttiApina]

And where is your proof? There are still different weather conditions and YES open world is also there. People have mistaken that this game would not be a sandbox free roaming game anymore, but that is wrong.

Alan Wake is still the same game as five years ago... The tech is same, the vision is same and the open world technology is still THERE.

[execution17]

lol thought they did say that it wasn't an open world game, but idk about the weather system, only pics i've seen were all at night

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Puts this game to shame graphically.Funny actually..

Uncharted 2 2007-2009
alan wake 2005-20010?

PS3 > 360

[Kratos19]

God of War: 2005
God of War 2: 2007
God of War 3: March 2010

Alan Wake: 2005- 2010
Splinter Cell: Conviction: 2006- 2010

I remember when Xbox brats used to say only Sony revealed their games years in advance. Such an illogical bunch.

[FiftyFourPointTwo]

The Ballad of Alan Gay

[Why Dat]

LOL, oh boy, comment of the day! Bubbles for you good sir.

[xoxideu]

or Alan in the Dark?

R.I.P

[Bereaver]

Nope, Alan wakes up but everyone has already gone home. lol

[Gabe EatsWell]

LMAO @ Alan in the Dark. Hahaha.

Luigi's Mansion >>>>>> Alan Wake

[thor]

It's weird... one of the first trailers was them banging on about its open-world, dynamic nature, and how they've utilised "all 4 cores" of a PC CPU... it's changed quite a lot since then.

Edit: Also, releasing for PC? I thought the PC version got cancelled?

[Pandamobile]

PC version was delayed without a release date. Microsoft wanted to push the 360 version sales. They're douches like that.

[Finalfantasykid]

Thats good to hear, I'd like to at least try a demo of the game, and if it turns out being good(or if my now 3 year old XPS laptop is still powerful enough to run it :P)

[Nicaragua]

For a blockbuster, genre defining, revolution in gaming (which is what its hyped to be) then it looks an awful lot like a bog standard silent hill game, or alone in the dark.

[sam2236]

Alone in the Dark 2 anyone?

I doubt anyone is as excited as they were back in '05. I'm not.

[jack_burt0n]

"we have this unique feature where u get a previously on style recap when starting a new chapter"...........ummmm they need some original ideas, it really does look like alone in the dark 2.

[callahan09]

I totally agree. It's impossible to objectively deny that this game looks an awful lot like Alone in the Dark. Yeah, that "Previously On" recap thing is lifted right from AitD too.

[RadientFlux]

I am, mostly due to Remedy's excellent track record.

[snake_eater]

Clearly the best flop is yet to come on the moneybox 360.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

Obviously because half way through the production they realised something and were like:

"OH SH1T! We chose the wrong hardware"

MS comes along and says: "Too late BI****S!!"

[aaron5829]

... when it was first announced.

I'm an open world game freak.

You could say i'm disappointed now.

[AnttiApina]

You don't seem to follow this title a lot:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

From wikipedia: Remedy also promised a free-roam, sandbox-style city, similar to those seen in the Grand Theft Auto series. Due to a mistranslation from the magazine Pelaaja, it was thought that Remedy had removed the free-roam however, Thomas Puha, Creative Director for Pelaaja, announced that there was a mistake in the translation and that the open-world side of Alan Wake would still be included. Puha said, "There is still an open world, but due to the story the action is more directed to tell the story better as you’d expect from Remedy."[9]

See? THE OPEN WORD IS THERE! ALAN WAKE IS NOT A LINEAR GAME! STFU!

[Ding]

AnttiApina - 2 hours ago

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You don't seem to follow this title a lot:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

From wikipedia: Remedy also promised a free-roam, sandbox-style city, similar to those seen in the Grand Theft Auto series. Due to a mistranslation from the magazine Pelaaja, it was thought that Remedy had removed the free-roam however, Thomas Puha, Creative Director for Pelaaja, announced that there was a mistake in the translation and that the open-world side of Alan Wake would still be included. Puha said, "There is still an open world, but due to the story the action is more directed to tell the story better as you’d expect from Remedy."[9]

See? THE OPEN WORD IS THERE! ALAN WAKE IS NOT A LINEAR GAME! STFU!

Well you'd better be doing the programming kid as Remedy certainly aren't. IE..

http://www.incgamers.com/Ne...

Remedy Defends Alan Wake Changes
09 Jul 2009 at 11:43:42 by Andy Alderson

Alan Wake developer Remedy has defended its decision to remove the open-word sandbox elements from the game.

IE the game has been gimped! Or [if it was a Sony dev] they LIED!!!!!

Now pick up your dummy and run off home, your mummy has her tits out and your dinner is getting cold!

[Arnon]

I hate this comment system.

[thor]

The open-world nature would be lost on Alan Wake, a story-driven game.

The trouble with open-world games, is that in EVERY LAST ONE you have an objective marker where you go to get your next mission, then you have more objective markers that you need to get to to comeplete that mission. The open-world nature of the game only gives two things - the ability to take any route you like to your destination (pretty cool, but I'm sure most people wouldn't object to always taking the shortest route), and collectables and side missions. Now for all we know, Alan Wake's level design might give us numerous ways to get to where we're going next. All getting rid of the open-world nature of the game has done is to eliminate pointless collecting and grinding. They're right - how can you tell a tense, gripping story, when you're free to go where you like, and the danger doesn't start until you get to the objective marker?

[Ding]

@ Thor

But that doesn't matter surely. The point is the devs have gimped the game ergo making it easier to develop, they have dropped the PC vers, yet it STILL isn't on the market.

This game was supposed to be running in real time at the 05 E3, where Sony were showing the KZ2 *video*.. Killzone saw an online Beta, a demo and has been on the market for months, yet the Alan Wake devs are STILL sorting out the game on an *easy to develop for system*???

In that time, Insomniac has released Resistance 1&2, R&C: ToD and Quest for booty for PSN, they will also have R&C: Crack in Time out and that DOES have a free roaming aspect in-between the standard levels, yet the PS3 is *difficult to develop for*?

Heavy Rain was announced in 07, that will be released next year, unlike Alan Wake it will have FOUR character/storylines and if one of your characters dies, you simply carry on the game from another characters viewpoint. Alan Wake will be the same old same old, where you go checkpoint die, back to checkpoint die and so on ala AitD.

With Heavy Rain, it's all about the story, gamers can get to the conclusion by using 1 or all the characters, which will give them an incentive to replay the game, just to see what happens and how the other characters arrived at the conclusion. So even though it's a linear game, the actions are open world. From IGN's preview of the *Junkyard fight*

WARNING: There may be spoilers here, read at your peril! ;)

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/artic...

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The interesting bit here is that each character, and moreover each scene, plays out in a unique manner, and each one gives you a different perspective on the story. But as I said, the game isn't meant to be played in a linear fashion, at least in the normal sense of "linear" in terms of game design. If a character dies, they're dead, but the game doesn't end. It simply goes on with you continuing as the remaining characters; you just miss out on the dead peoples' scenes. If you want to get the full experience of the tale you'll want to do your best to keep them alive until the finale, but should death become them, it'll only work to make your story more personal.
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And..

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Had I managed to get out the pills and take one, that may have been the end of the scene with Jayden just taking Jacky off to jail,
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also

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The cool thing about all of this is that I'm told that you can actually skip it all if you do a little investigating. It turns out that the car that the Origami Killer used is actually on-site and hidden around the back of the junkyard. If you avoid Jacky and do some snooping first, you can find the car and get all of the clues that you need to move on right there.
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The media is portraying Heavy Rain as an interactive movie, with a set of linear QTEs 1 after another based on the Junkyard scene.. When nothing could be further from the truth. The junkyard scene was more of a *punishment* for not investigating properly in the first place, then failing to take your pills.

So even a single character has multiple paths, meaning the game will be personal to each and every gamer. If you die in the crusher, you will be dead, but you won't have to endlessly re-do it, you'll simply move on to another character. Can you say the same about Space Ace or Alan Wake? You will only get 1 chance to get a QTE right, so it's hardly going to be monotonous is it? No matter how many times you play it. The only question remains is what happens if you lose all your characters.. also is [after death] character selection random or do you get to chose?

If you had 1 single character in Heavy Rain and only 1 path to take with checkpoints, I wouldn't be looking forward to it at all. It was Remedy who had bulled up the game by stating it was open world, which is why expectations were high.. The delay was always put down to the fact that it was open world and therefor more difficult to program. After gimping the game they have a bloody cheek to say they could have released it any time, so why isn't it on the market now, or at least a demo?

Be fair, they could have just kept their mouths shut and this thread wouldn't even exist. It's kind of like those kiddie bragging of *I could fly if I wanted, I just don't want to.*

[aaron5829]

I think Ding just owned you there.

You STFU

[cooldude123]

It's time we get another exclusive for the Xbox 360...

[Bathyj]

Cmon guys give it a chance. I know its easy to get discouraged with the long developement time and the changes that were made, but saying its simply Alone in the dark is pretty narrow minded.

Thats like saying NFS:Shift is just Pole Position or FFXIII is just FFI.

The story might be awesome, the puzzles might be great, the controls might be a dream. We just dont know.

All I'm saying is let it fail before we all tout it a failure. Hopefully it will surprise. I'm probably wrong, but pardon me for being optimistic.

[AnttiApina]

Agreed. This game has a lot of potential and given what I have read from the previous previews... I think it's going to be a really good game.

It's good that these guys do not spoil the whole game.

I mean, after all it won the best 360 game of TGS 2009 (IGN)

[sam2236]

@AnttiApina: Do you really think people here take IGN seriously? Of course they'd give it best 360 game of TGS, they're a bunch of 360 fanboys for Christ's sake!

[Nicaragua]

Look, im not just trying to wee on the chips of Alan Wake - when this game was announced it looked amazing. The landscapes were breathtaking, the stuff with the cyclones ripping through towns was awesome, and the premise of the game really caught the imagination.

However when they showed the actual gameplay footage recently what it boiled down to was a chap running around at night with a flashlight shooting at shadow monsters. The first question on my lips is - " why are you showing this generic survival horror game ? why arent you showing me how the awesome cyclones affect my surroundings and my interaction with it ? why dont the graphics look as good as what was originally shown ?"

The answer to all these questions (in my opinion) is that the original game we were shown was a high end PC game that no longer exists. Im sure what gets released will be a very enjoyable survival horror game but its obvious to me that its not what was originally being touted and thats what im speaking against.

[Knghtz]

Sooo you are dismissing IGN as xbox 360 fanboys because they gave "best game of tgs" to an... Xbox 360 game?

[AnttiApina]

@ sam2236

They are fanboys because they gave the best 360 game of TGS to a 360 game? And game of the show was Peace Walker (which was brilliant!)

Sorry for my rageposts.... Sometimes I just cannot take these stupid things anymore.

Anyway, we do not know how Alan Wake will do. While the game may have changed on the side of presentation, I think that we still get the same experience.

I mean... Who really wants games like Heavy Rain and Alan Wake to fail?

[sam2236]

@AnttiApina and Knghtz: You've never read any of IGN's PS3/360 multi-platform reviews or watched their PS3/360 comparison vids, I see.

Also, it's too bad that I'll be enjoying Max Payne 3 by the time "Alan in the Dark" gets released....that is if it ever gets released.

EDIT: BTW, it doesn't matter if IGN gave it "best game...". That doesn't mean it'll be good. They're doing that just to create hype. It's like how you see a preview of a game that says "OMFG, iz so awesum!1!1!!" and then the game comes out and it turns out to be crap.

It's all hype.

[Arnon]

If you're seriously trying to convince us that you liked this game by saying that the graphics have been dumbed down since it was shown:

http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/...
http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/...
http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/...
http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/...

vs.

http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/...

Then you are so full of it. This game is absolutely gorgeous, and the only reason people are hating on it now, is because it wasn't able to be an entirely open world experience, even though the developers said it would still have a lot of exploration. Guess what? Max Payne 1 & 2 were supposed to have multiplayer, and it pissed a lot of people off. Do you honestly think it made the game any less than what it is today?

EDIT:

@sam:

So you went from saying that IGN is a 360 fanboy website, to saying that "it doesn't matter what IGN gives it.. it's just hype." You are so narrow-minded it's baffling you aren't able to see it yourself.

[devilhunterx]

Alan in the Dark : The Flashlight adventures continues!

[Bathyj]

OK, THAT was funny.

I'm dying to use the PS3 wand as a torch, um, flashlight.

[orange-skittle]

For a while, I thought Alan Wake and Duke Nukem Forever were roommates. Not sure about the flash light thing, but I hope they are taking notice in the epic story telling that Uncharted 2 is delivering. I wouldn't be surprised if they pushed it back some more. I like the fact that every time you play they recap the save points like a weekly TV series like "PREVIOUSLY ON ALAN WAKE..."

I don't like the fact that I have to shine a light on the shadow attackers and then use my gun to kill them afterwards. Seems like overkill to me. They better rethink that because Alone in the Dark failed miserably because of that chaotic mess. You have to simplify things in an action horror/thriller, especially when the attackers are running at you.

If any of the developers read N4G, they will see that this project is not being well received. They might want to rethink how they do this game. Especially with concerns about graphics being mediocre and gameplay being too complicated to grasp. You will find your 5 year project in the bargain bin faster than Mirrors Edge. If they can't recoup the losses they spent on making this game, we might see another developer up for sale.

[Arnon]

"If any of the developers read N4G, they will see that this project is not being well received."

N4G is a cesspool. It's the only site in existence pertaining to multiple consoles that actually has more people hating the 360 than the PS3. To say that a developer should look at N4G as a credible source of feedback from people is asinine.

[GarandShooter]

'N4G is a cesspool. It's the only site in existence pertaining to multiple consoles that actually has more people hating the 360 than the PS3. To say that a developer should look at N4G as a credible source of feedback from people is asinine.'

Are those other sites, where the PS3 is more hated on than the 360, more credible?

[Arnon]

I haven't seen a website blatantly hate on another console except for maybe Kotaku. To say that an entire site hates on a certain piece of plastic, because one of the journalists has an opinion that is different from another journalist on the same site, is just silly. I've seen some journalists who are extremists, and some who are the most level-headed people I know.

[Saaking]

nobody cares about alan wait.

[36T]

LOL.. nobody cares more then PS fanboys, that's for sure. You people give the PS3 a terrible name. I love it! You losers fill up the 360 comment section on a daily basis. You`re such a sad group, it's laughable. btw Saaking, i`m still waiting for your PSN account to check all those games you've played. That's right, i`m calling you out. I have trouble believing you're a gamer.

[meatnormous]

http://profiles.us.playstat...

That is his PSN profile.

[HemDroid]

Your such a Ramp

[36T]

If that's Saaking's PSN profile, may i laugh? Saaking, can you confirm?? Please do :)
No wonder you have so much time to spend on N4G like the rest of you fake PS marketing gamers on this site.

[foobar]

• Too Human

• Duke Nukem Forever

• Haze

• Fracture

• Shadowrun

etc etc

All promised 'big things', all FAIL.

[chrisulloa]

This website is pathetic really, and so are all of you guys commenting. Have you guys not realized that 90% of the posts that get attention are 360 posts? And even if you guys still tried to troll them, the 360 still remains better than the PS3.

[Deacon]

Prove it.

[chrisulloa]

There's nothing to prove really, why don't you read all of the main posts on this website. ALL XBOX 360 GAMES. If this were really anything more than a website for you fools to troll 360 games, PS3 games would be on the front page.

tl;dr GET A LIFE

[niceboy]

stop hating..

[niceboy]

stop hating

[devilhunterx]

I agree

[Veneno]

Alan Wait won't ever come to the Wait-Box 360

All this time and the game will be so underwhelming.

[SKUD]

Keep your expectations low people. This one sounded great. Now, not so much.

[Relientk77]

get on it

[paul0388]

I'm actually still pretty excited about this game. It looks like they're taking their time with it to make sure they do it right.

If a game is going to be good, I don't mind waiting for it as I'm sure it will be worth it. It's unfortunate that it's not coming out for PC but I'll still pick it up.

Quality over quantity. I wish Bungie took a little more time with ODST to make it worth it. I regret that purchase so much...

[GamerSciz]

Seriously at IDF 2006 they showed off a working demo of the game and the graphics and gameplay looked fine. What have they been working on for 3 years?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Another older video in HD..

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[bjornbear]

I've been a bit out of the loop on this game recently...

Do those videos mean thats NOT gonna be in the game anymore because of the 360?!?!?!? o.O

[KazumaKiryu]

what a bunch of cry babies. Remember a few years ago when the PS3 was getting verbally molested from every direction. No I didnt think you would. Well this is payback. Take it like the xkids that you are.

[gameman]

guys guys relax this guy says the truth well with the limitiation of the 360 in hardware wise not to mention the limitation of the last Gen DVD no wander they need time they have to skip at least 65% the game thank you bots for downgrading this for the PC gamers

[shutupandplay]

And the ps3 fanboys swarm. Predictable.

[monkey602]

My hope in this game well and truely died last E3. Maybe it will interest me again closer to release if I see some more gameplay I actually like

[StrboyM]

Ok ok, yeah, ps3 fans (myself included) we "troll" the 360 games posts, but the same could be said for the opposing team/faction, whatever you want to call it....buuuuuut

you 360 fanboys had it coming....

1. First the psp was a failure - proven wrong
2. then the ps3 was over priced - fixed
3. psn was terrrible - fixed and will be better after Xchat and is still free
4. the games weren't any good - have the most versitile games catalogue and the best next 12-15 months of games in this gen coming
5. technology - the ps wand/motionless controller,3d coming to ps3 next year, 5 layered blue ray just developed,

you f%$kers are running out of things to complain about.
Sony is giving 110% right now...and its just warming up...grab a tissue, i'll play some violin music for you crying bots....ps3 owners are a happy bunch, cause you know...ps3, it only does... everything. so we get everything..

[BX81]

Ok let's play!
PS3 over priced fixed!....After how long?
PSN fixed?.... What was wrong with it? When Xchat comes out then bring it up!
Games weren't any good? True until Uncharted and KZ2. So this is true!
Tech. The wand? Really? As much as droids complain about Natal do you really think the wand will be accepted well?

Sony is a gaming console sweetie. I'm sure you're 12yrs. old and have nothing better to do in life but the reality is this. It's fun to play but not everything. Hell I could really make some great points about the 360 and some bad ones. You really shouldn't put so much into this. The sad part is somewhere inside of you, your little heart got happy when you typed this. So sad little one....So sad indeed!

[chrisulloa]

"1. First the psp was a failure - proven wrong"
-Sorry, still a failure. Bad sales and 90% of 3rd party games are bad.
"2. then the ps3 was over priced - fixed "
-That's nice? After about 3 years.
"3. psn was terrrible - fixed and will be better after Xchat and is still free"
-PSN was never terrible, it's just not up to par with Xbox Live.
"4. the games weren't any good - have the most versitile games catalogue and the best next 12-15 months of games in this gen coming "
-Most versatile? I'm sorry, the lack of good shooters fails to make this statement true. Also since you haven't played the games upcoming in the next 12-15 months, you can't confirm these are all good games.
"5. technology - the ps wand/motionless controller,3d coming to ps3 next year, 5 layered blue ray just developed, "
-The PS wand is a rip-off of the wiimote and everyone knows it. 3D is old technology and is definitely not going to be used by every single PS3 owner. 5-Layered Blue-ray is still in beta and it's not going to be used for a couple of years, probably after PS4 comes out.

You fail to prove your point, it's quite sad actually. Go back to your mother's basement and enjoy playing your PS3 games while we enjoy are superior consoles and games.

[Nicaragua]

Just to address a couple of those points - a large majority of 3rd party software is garbage on any system, not just the PSP and that hardly defines whether a system is a failure.

Also regardless of whether you think the xbox offers a better gaming experience or not, to refer to it as a "superior console" is a joke. As a piece of hardware the xbox 360 is a tragedy and if you are a true fan of gaming then you should be complaining your ass off to Microsoft rather than licking their balls.

[hulud86]

Well it wasn't released earlier so who cares.

[The_Nameless_One]

I was interested in this game until I saw Heavy Rain. I really thought this game was going t be different but from the demo it looks like another shooter horror. Major Disappointment.

[QuantumWake]

Actually guys, Alan Wake still has dynamic weather and a day/night time cycle... If you have seen the recent Alan Wake trailers or the Sam Lake Dev Diary, you can see that Alan Wake still sports dynamic weather and complete day/night effects. Here is the Tech analysis from Digital Foundry: http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Here is another link that pretty much proves that Alan Wake will have daytime sequences: http://www.joystiq.com/2009...

The only design changes have been the sandbox elements. Though the game will still have open world enviroments. ( http://forum.alanwake.com/s...

Here is a quote from Morry, who is a Super Moderator at Alan Wake forums:

"Before you jump to conclusions, let me ask you this: how do you create terror and suspense in a scene by letting the player do anything and go anywhere they want?

Creating suspenseful moments requires the player to be in certain places at certain times which can only be created by having the player follow a linear, predetermined path. This allows the developers to have full control over what the player sees, hears and thinks. You simply cannot have this level of control if you make the whole game open-world / sandbox / whatever fancy word they are using now.
The game will have both linear sequences (for the thriller part of the game) and exploration (for the quieter periods)."

Here is the original link to the thread:

http://forum.alanwake.com/s...

[Blaine]

Am I mistaken, or wasn't this thing originally slated to be a PS3 launch title?

[Mr Tretton]

Well, I don't have a long string of bullsh*t to state like many here. I'll just say I'm looking forward to Alan Wake and hope it's good. I don't care about talk, hype, and fanboy crap. Get a life dweebs.

[StrboyM]

good retorts, but

no other handheld has survived much less profited,in the nintendo handheld era besides the psp, seeing as its on its 3rd iteration, and as i said before turning a profit for sony and providing a great handheld experience to gamers...my point made

the ps3 price comment was "your argument" I bought my ps3 day 2. and have been satisfied since then. lets live in the now though...1 million sold in 3 weeks because of the price drop. as I said, you're running out of arguments to pose

for me, and most such as the developers of "modracer nation" the psn offer's everything any gamer will need. xchat is just the topping on the cake.

most versatile yes!!
games like
africa
LBP
heavy rain
flower
everyday shooter
wipeout HD
modracer nation
warhawk
the last guardian
eye pet ect ect, have no counterparts on the 360, nothing comparable. all those games are/will be in one way or another critically acclaimed.

on the tech side, my point was to show that sony isnt losing the focus of taking advantage of the ps3's power, 3d capablity, new interfaces, and better storage. all of these things will benefit ME as a gamer

please take note that besides the 1million sold bit, everything I've mentioned pertains to how me and others are being treated by sony.and not sales..which is the premise of most xbox fans as of late...i dont play sales I play games.
so @bx81, yes i did get happy, only because I cant stop thinking about everything I've mentioned above...nothing to do with making you feel insecure..sorry though

feel free to say something stupid that has probably already been thwarted by this post ;)

[BX81]

Most versatile? I can list a whole bunch of 360 games that are nothing alike as well.
PSP: A good hand held but the PSP Go is a failure in price point. Today is the 1st time I saw one at the store and it was priced at $250.00....Really?
Sales? Make a company money but I didn't touch on that.
3D is great and so is Natal
Storage? The 360 has enough choices to choose from to suit what ever your gaming style is.
Insecure? Nice for you to bring it up but I own a PS3 as well you should really read some of my comments.

PS: I own a PSP and 360 and WII as well.