Super Street Fighter IV is a Bad Move for Capcom

PS3Informer weighs in on why releasing Super Street Fighter IV a year after Street Fighter IV is such a bad move for Capcom. They draw comparisons to the Madden series and Burnout Paradise games.

"Capcom calls Super Street Fighter IV the 'ultimate vision' of Street Fighter."

Then what the hell did we buy in February?

[swingingape]

Damn. I was looking forward to playing T. Hawk. But I'm not buying the same game again.

[Nitrowolf2]

didn't they say this game takes place one year after the orignal 4? idk i won't buy this either, i feel cheated but i should have seen this coming look at there past SF game

[el_bandito]

WTF. All along I thought this was a DLC.

[Xlll]

Why are you all complaining? It's not even full price.

[tinman_licks]

@Xlll - you probably bought Halo 3: ODST for $60 right? Wanna trade $20 for my $10 bill then?

[Xlll]

ODST was a full price title and no i don't own a 360 anymore. Also you are more then likely not that into fighters as i am. Nor as competitive.

Also i bought the Wii for capcom vs tatsunoko. Just because of it being an amazing fighter that i got to try out in Japan.

[Venomish]

People, scrubs, need to shut the ef up
this will help you:
http://www.destructoid.com/...

[Reibooi]

@Xlll

It is true that it won't be full price but they still have not said what price it will be and if it's $50 no deal. It needs to be $30 for it to be even close to a good deal. It's not that much of a improvement and in this day and age it should have been DLC(I don't care what they say about it not being possible it is and they want more money then DLC can provide)

[swingingape]

If they can patch fps like Gears, CoD for balance issues and exploits. I'm sure they can patch street fighter for simple stat and ai changes. They just don't want to because they can make a bunch more money selling you the same fixes in a plastic for $40 than thru download for $20. Simple economics people. Stop making excuses for them like a kidnap victim siding with his captors.

[swingingape]

The game is not worth it. simple fact

[tinman_licks]

@Xlll - That's the point. ODST is an over-priced expansion pack. If you still had your 360, I'm sure you would have gotten that too to prove how hardcore you are.

I'm not trying to pick on you, but I'm just trying to expose the mentality a lot of fans put themselves through to defend these money-grubbing moves publishers pull.

[Venomish]

and you will find more than half of the complainers belong to 1 or more of those groups:
1. people who suck at SF4.
2. people who don't care much about SF4.
3. people who bought halo ODST for $60 and thought was worth it.
4. people who buy Madden, Winning Eleven or FIFA every year.

EDIT
I fogot
5. people who really don't even know what is going to be included in SSF4

http://www.destructoid.com/...

[Bonsai1214]

take the blazblue route. rebalance everything, new characters, continued story, remade stages, new HUD. give it an arcade release, then a console release. then maybe its justifiable to charge near full price for it.

[NoBias]

All the complainers are people who either suck, don't care about Street Fighter and/or don't care about the fighting genre.

As far as I'm concerned their opinions on the matter don't mean a damn.

I wish there was another channel that real SF fans and serious fighting fans could talk about the upcoming game and other fighting games. But we're on N4G so hating-ass people are obviously going to spill over into topics that don't even concern them. It's annoying and just causes clutter.

I highly doubt a patch could change the whole inner workings on SFIV into the mechanics that SSFIV will have. The two games won't even be compatible online. Either way, no matter what the haters say: I will be playing this game day 1 along with all the other hardcores.

I love the Street Fighter community. It's all about respect. There's no room for haters or scrubs (unless the scrubs have the drive to continue honing in on their skill and learning). Hell, everyone starts off as one.

[AKNAA]

If any of you bought the ODST Expansion pack for full price because your a Fan of Halo, Don't even complain or talk Sh1t about capcom and super SF4... If anything, MS learned from capcom, since we all know capcom has a history with street fighter 2: this and that, all while charging full price for the same game with some upgrades here and there...

I've been a Fan of the street fighter series since the original street fighter 2 came out, thats why I'm likely to buy the next installment, not at full price though. sure I'm a big fan, but also, I'm not careless with my money either, therefore I'll most likely hold out and get it used, unless capcom charges between $30-$40...
If you think capcom is ripping you off, its obvious that your NOT a Street fighter Fan, so don't whining about it cause you won't understand...

[IaMs12]

If people want to buy this and they think its worth THEIR money, its worth it then. I go by how I like it, if it worth it to ME because its MY money. That is why i havent bought ODST yet because I dont think its worth that price yet. YOU may think otherwise... Get my point?

[chester]

i'll be first in line to get it. i got so many hours out of SF4 that there's no way i'd miss 8 new characters. would i rather a $20 DLC package? sure, but i'm not going to be picky as long as i'm getting more street fighter.

[tinman_licks]

$20 DLC = day 1 purchase. $40 retail game = clearance bin purchase.

[chester]

that's the risk capcom is taking i guess.

[Xlll]

@tinman_licks your a casual fighter player. Capcom hinted at this at EVO '09 only hardcore fighter fans will get this and those that want SF4 at a cheap price.

[NoBias]

Capcom has enough loyal Street Fighter fans that this move will definitely pay off for them (And us!).

I can't wait for it.

[Foxgod]

Man, street fighter invented the yearly repackage.
They did that on the snes too.

Every Street fighter has seen at least 3 revisions.

[FiftyFourPointTwo]

Seems like we all played the beta version.
Oh well, I'm still buying it because they included Ibuki and Cody. :)

[nolifeking]

My original purchase seems to be a waste of money now seeing as how there releasing a "definitive" version with more characters and a better parry system. Capcom has really taken the piss(I'm from the u.s and can't think of a better term) out of buying their games. The worst part is is, I'm mosy likely gonna get it cause the the parry system(can't remember what it was called.) makes the game a lot more hardcore.

[Xlll]

Anyone who bought SF4 will be getting a "Gift" from capcom when they pick up SSF4. It's on Capcom Blog.

[swingingape]

i bet the "gift" is one free costume. whoopie

[TheDeadMetalhead]

I figured Capcom would do this. That's why I rented SFIV. ;)

[kornbeaner]

Whine, whine, whine if you liked the original. (I have spend at least 1000 hours playing SF4) then what is the problem with an upgrade in all honesty, I cant wait. Its not a full price title, even Capcom is calling it an expansion, so whats the issue. $40 dollars for an expansion of a game I have played to death seems worth it to me. This is just like playing Starcraft and then having the option to buy Brood Wars. You don't need to, but the experience will be different for the game depending on what you have.

[swingingape]

it's called milking it.

[kornbeaner]

its called an expansion. This is not a full price release. its an upgrade much like they have on PC's. You buy Starcraft you can expand your experience by buying Broodwars, you have Warcraft 3 why not expand to the frozen throne. Again this purchase is not a have to they are merely upgrading and expanding everything from the base game. Milking is what they did with the costume DLC and what EA does by selling you unlock codes for stuff already in the game. Thats milking it. Or how about the minor upgrade IW is doing for MW2 yet most of you can't wait to shell out $60 bones for that over-hyped garbage. The only people who are complaining about the SSFIV are those who just suck at the game and don't understand why an expansion is needed or those who don't spend hours upon hours playing the game and know that the game does need a major overhaul. And this is suppose to be it. Everything planed sound huge, so $40 (estimate) is not to much for an overall different experience.

[Snoogins]

Good thing I waited then. Still going to have to wait longer due to other games in my queue. If this costs more than $39.99 they deserve a hadouken to the nuts.

[swingingape]

hadouken!!!!!

[Dark General]

It's not that big of a deal. 40 bucks for an updated SF4 with balance changes, new fighters etc is enough for me. After 10 years since the last SF I'm glad they'll be revising and supporting SF4. I would like it to be DLC for 20 bucks just like the next guy. But I plan on getting SSF3 after spending a good amount of time on 4.

4 wasn't a beta it was merely the building blocks and foundation on which SSF4 will improve on. I expect there to be another SF4 revision after Super as well with more refinements. Just like SF3.

[nolifeking]

Everything you said to make the argument of SF4 not being a beta is what a beta is.

[Dark General]

Isn't a beta nothing but a test to see how things are before you ship with the real product? And if you think like that Madden along with countless other games with sequels are in a perpetual state of beta tests with the final game in a series being the "final product".

I guess this is all word play and semantics. Think of it as you would like to.

[xryls]

I'm disappointed with this I mean I still enjoy street fighter 4 but it's a little bit early for this, but I guess that's the way it is milk it.

[Kiroe]

Capcom has gotten greedy as of late. First they charge you extra for outfits that would have been included in the game had DLC never existed. Then they charge you to play multiplayer on RE5. Now they decide to re-release SFIV as Super SFIV and charge who knows how much.

Wake up...it is not the 90's anymore. People aren't going to be buying a Street Fighter every year because you tweak or add a couple of characters.

[Xlll]

@Reibooi It doesn't matter to me don't buy it simple as that.

@tin - SF created a the fighting game scene. This isn't Halo. If you follow the competitive scene chances are you traveled to to tournaments and keep an eye on any fighting game both here in NA and in JP. Those are the ppl Capcom is targeting with this game. If you don't like it then don't buy it. The less scrubs the better.

@swingingape - This isn't the same as patching a bug in a FPS. They are reworking the fighting system and balancing the fighters. Also please tell us how you know this isn't worth it?

Everyone here sounds like those kids that petitioned Left 4 Dead 2.

[tinman_licks]

@Xlll - Seems you love defending Capcom. Tell me this, did you buy those costume packs? Was it worth it to you (another $12-25) even though what you paid for were unlock keys for content that pre-existed on the game disk you paid $60 for.

[Baka-akaB]

Oh please you guys will moan about the same thing with Blazblue Continuum shift , in a few weeks or months , regardless of its price too .

Every report since the loketest in japanese arcade since 9/25 shows a game whose balance is massively modified , with 2 new characters so far whom every BB player actually expected and wish for , new moves , boost and nerf for every existing one , and Massive retooling of the games mechanics , plus some light graphical changes .

All of the above wont be a DLC , and the same dance will start all over again , for a game you also wont care about .

All that while at least 11 millions of Call of duty modern warfare 2 customers wont have anything bad to say about it . Despite a numbers of changes appalling and quite light , in comparison of both SSF4 and BB CS .

[Saaking]

I'm gonna buy it if it's 40 bucks since I never got SFIV. To people like me who didn't get it, this is a pretty good deal; however, to people that did buy it it's not that great.

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

I felt cheated by the first one. How many times are they going to make the same game? Sure the graphics might be updated and they might have added focus moves but for the most part it still plays the same as it did nearly 20 years ago!

[cheameup]

I paid $80 Australian for SF4 on release day. I have already put over 100 hours into it . I'm still playing probably a total 3 or 4 hours a week .sometimes more when I get time

I'm happy to buy a completely new revision of it next year same as i was when I upgraded everytime a new snes or PS1 version came out .And I'll buy a new one the year after that if it comes out .

If you know and love the game you'll buy SSF4 with out a 2nd thought.If you just like it then you dont need to buy it

[Baka-akaB]

Half of the posters probably dont even play or own the game . Still it's all right if you dont want to buy it , but at least get yourself informed .

There are list of changes floating around and they are massive PLUS minimum 8 added characters with one already new one confirmed + A new online code .

Everyone that knows blazblue is hoping SSF4 will feature GGPO netcode .. basically the best netcode available for fighting games .

And if it's indeed the case like the news implies (or at least a new online code even if not GGPO) , NO IT CANT BE ON A DLC .

If you want to challenge the claim , then by all means point us to even ONE game who change its online code and engine through patching or dlc ...
You simply wont , at most you'll find light tweaks and some patch , but not a whole online overhaul .

Really please do instead of moaning and finding pitiful excuse to hate the game , just because bla bla bla "super mega street fighter 2 ++ alpha turbo"

And i'm talking about changing an entire code , not just light tweaking and upgrades ...

By all means once you've at last informed yourselves about the numerous changes and additions , please do tell if the content isnt quite comparable to the one found in actual numerical sequel of all the other fighting games ??

Take tekken 6, if feature almost the same level of changes and added content when compared to tekken 5 dr . With one major difference , an ew graphical engine .

It doesnt matter anyway , i find the complaint reeking of quite some BS when in the past , the like of sf2 championship , turbo , the various strike of SF3 , and other variation of a same title , didnt bring EIGHT new characters along with many other changes . At best half the number .

Finally please explain how you guys were going to balance the game between dlc owners and stubborn original game owners . How do you balance old Guile vs Super sf4 guile ? How do other gamers handle new fighters they dont have access to ? Do you make the old and new stuff unavailable and incompatible with the old one then ? Then what's even the point ?

How do people travel between various home and location with the game ? You wont be able to copy the dlc , and you wont go through the hassle of adding your account , then downloading it on each new console you met .. nor will you walk around with your everytime ...

Some people forget sf4 and other fighting game are massively played in local multi .

PS :

I also firmly believe that if Capcom was to go full dlc , we would be only hurting ourselves , with a big revision probably chopped down to 5-10 pieces , distributed at a really slow pace , but with a final cost exceed the frickin' upcoming disk ... wich isnt even going to be charged at full price ...

Bah i'm wasting my time whnever that topic comes up ... i only wish people not even interested in fighting games and/or sf4 would stop trying to ruin it for others .

i've notice quite a few that already stated they dont even play sf4 or gave up , and now they are like "i wont buy it!!" , who cares ? You wouldnt get it dlc or not .

[kornbeaner]

Look up Starcraft, warcraft 2 and 3, world of warcraft, F.E.A.R., Half-life 2. Notice that all those games have something called expansion packs. The expansion themselves are pretty much the same as the base game, but the developers added tweak to the games system add new units or simply upgraded the game with an expanded story. Thats the same thing that is happening here. This is not the same game with a character upgrade, its all new network code, new fighters, new stages, more balance to the fight system, even new story points. It's an expansion but I guess most people here complaining are to young to remember hay-day PC gaming and what an expansion meant to your purchase.

[Baka-akaB]

You could simply name CAll of duty Modern Warfare 2 .

It's changes are comparatively far less important than those of any fighting game's "expansion" or sequels , and its price even increased ...

yet people will lap it up with only a minority complaining .

EDIT : oh well i see that you did , i didnt bother reading a whole page of the same daily complaints

[Delriach]

fail article fails.

[sscoolcheaFOOLS]

Talk about taking one in the rear.....Capcom did you forget about DLC ??? This is why I don't buy multiplatform games . The vision was dumb down to make it happen on the xbot also .

[CobraKai]

People act like Capcom never did this before with SF2/3

[Baka-akaB]

And people should , since Capcom never added 8-10 characters in one single new version of a game + lots of content at lower prices

[CobraKai]

That's true.

[Rai]

should I be glad that its not going to be 60$ like another Something 3 1.5?

[DMasta718]

People here who are complaining either:

1)Do not understand that the gasme needs tweaking
2)Forgot about all of SFIIs revisions back then

Are people not understanding this can't be DLC? Even better, it's coming out on disc below $60! People should be happy about that but no.

I'm happy they are revising this quick. They needed to. I hope they fix the reversal window on this game. Make it more tighter.

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[Romeoisburning]

I don't mind that it isn't DLC, what I do care about is the price. Heres hoping for a $20 price point.

[tinman_licks]

@DMasta718 -- In essence, you've just implied the original is bad aka beta/unfinished/unpolished.

[Baka-akaB]

Or that it simply wasnt entirely perfect and that not every ideas are included from the get go for various reason .

Show me any fighting game that is balanced from the first version and i might call you a liar .

Even the much beloved SF3 didnt get it right the first time neither .

There is also the simple fact that fighting games fan just loves changes to their game once everywhile to keep things fresh .
Hell i'd dare ask , besides us fanatics , who seriously would still be in a SF4 game , had there not been a new one in spring 2010 ?

And how many didnt leave already the first month after release , given the comments we can often see about sf4 ?

And likewise with SC4 , tekken 5 dr , Blazblue , VF5 and others ...

[DMasta718]

No. I'm not saying it's bad. The foundation of the gameplay is good. But as expected this is the First SF in the series of IV. All the iterations of the First SF were always great. From SFII to turbo edition. From SFIII: New Generation to Third Strike.

The gameplay is fine it just needs tweaking. Tweaking just not imply bad. I'm saying to improve of the last game. Which they have always done.

And Romeo. About the price, I also hope it's around that price but for what they aiming for might just be $30. I like SF so different people might have a sweet spot on certain prices (as long as it doesn't hit $60 or $50 for me)

People are forgetting this is Street Fighter. It's notorious for different iteraions. People should know that and not be surprised.

[Baka-akaB]

I would be very suspicious as well of people claiming they didnt know there would be a new game soon enough .
Even reviews hinted at the possibility and mentioned capcom's habit , it was mentioned by capcom once everywhile during the year , and fuelled by lots of rumor .

Hell some people outright stated in feb they wouldnt get sf4 because soon enough there would be a better/newer one anyway

[zaherdab]

do you think the game would have sold had we known there will be a super version in a year ? i think 90% of the people who put their trust in capcom wouldn't have bought it and would've held up till the next version ... which wouldnt have happened since the game didnt sell well to begin with...
so we have the right to complain if we bought the game and feel ripped off....

[Baka-akaB]

It was quite easy to guess and heavily hinted by mnay reviewers and previews . it was even mentioned many months ago by capcom itself .

It's a traditional practice every fighting games dev have been using , between sega with vf5 , namco with t5 and t5dr , Arc system works with guilty gears and Blazblue , SNK etc etc ... except it's usually with less content and a full retail price .

SF4 was guaranted to be a success among the fighting community , the rest we pretty much dont care about . Out of the hundred of sf4 copies i've seen fly from the shelves of my local store , at least half maybe had no business getting the game and thus returned their copies between 2 weeks-1 months later .

They were caught my the gaming journalism community's hype and praises , or they got the game and didnt realise it would not be mash friendly and would be that hard to master , or expected something else , or moved on to another fighting game .

I dont expect SSF4 to sell in the same 2 million ballpark than SF4 , and capcom probably dont either ,. If it does more power to it , but it's primarely a huge update for actual fans , not just bored people who got the game and resold it quickly .

[tomsau]

The way i see it is that they had to draw the development line somewhere, they could've gone ahead and kept adding every character under the sun, and it wouldn't have came out for quite a bit longer

Whereas GT drew the development line on the other side of the world (they said they didnt want to release GT5 till they were happy with everything)
Capcom decided to bring it out sooner than later to please the fans

It's not too unsimilar to how they released GT5 prologue (except the price points are swapped)
That's just the way i see it anyway

But yeah, why couldnt they release as DLC :(

[zaherdab]

they were clear that there's a GT5 comming when they released prologue that makes all the diffrence

[Baka-akaB]

Sigh i've already spoke enough about your points earlier ...

I'll just ask this , how many sf4 owners are still playing the game ?
How many sf4 owners would still be actively playing the game till spring 2010 ?

Besides a core (hardcore ?) community , my bet is probably less than half of more than 2 million sf4 users .

You've got fresh example of ng4 users who never owned the game , or sold it as fast as they could ... yet they are odly among the first to spit venom already

[zaherdab]

Hope no venom hit your way as it seems my words are poison to your fragile heart ...
all i am saying is that DLC do exist to extend games for people who already own it ... and game of the year editions can come as entry point for those who dont own it just like lbp did ... i dont feel ripped off by lbp goty coz i can have all the content if i choose on my standard edition... but now that i have sf4 already if i want to invest in sf4 i am gonna feel ripped off for having 2 ssf4 games ... its how i feel and hope my feelings aren't even more venomous to you !!! if you're a satisfied costumer and don't feel ripped off , goooooooooooooooooood for you just don't force me not to feel so.
one more thing ... please keep your expert n4g opinions to yourself when they concern other "new comers" as noone has bashed your opinion...
and hey dont feel shy to respond to every single comment on here !! we're clearly all waitin for ur approval upon whether our fresh lil minds are consistent with your mastery of N4Gism .

you obviously have very little understanding of the concept of time as both my comments have been posted b4 ur answer to the first one ... so why would u express disappointment of u having responded to my first comment when reading my second is beyond me!! no one asked to reply to my every comment dude !

[Baka-akaB]

You got it wrong pal . I just meant that i already adressed it above and so wouldnt rewrite the same thing .

If you havent guessed i'm just vocal about an opinion and dont mind people arguing back and forth with people like you .

But there are a few people each time in the sf4 thread who already made clear their dislike for the game (AKA not you .) and yet somehow are dissapointed or angry at something that no longer concerns them . Wich is odd .

Anyway back to topic , i've yet to see anyone make dlc works for fighting games probably , beyond crap like colors or costumes .

At most there was the whole Darth vader/Yoda thing , and most people werent happy for various reasons ..

I feel that many wouldnt necessarily be happy if once they made they choice to not switch to the dlc , they still got to deal with it's content . Like learning to fight a character they dont have access to .

In fps restricting access to map and content can be already a bit annoying ... especially when tournament are done with those . i envision it being worse for the moment , if they filter the original sf4 and it's dlc instead of doing separate games .

[hard joe]

guess they start to follow the example
given by halo 3: odst
selling expansions / DLCs at full price
since m$ and bungie succeeded
so why not try to follow them?

[kevin360uk]

All these tweaks and additions should have just been done in SF4 ! Simple as that

[Gun_Senshi]

Turtle Fighter IV is probably one of the most unbalanced Fighting Game ever, Maybe Super Turtle Fighter IV will be a tad more balanced

[xXKingofStingXx]

The balancing is off but nowhere near as bad as Marvel vs Capcom 2, play that unbalanced mess and you'll be begging to jump back on SFIV.

[xXKingofStingXx]

I'm all for a new Street Fighter but i can also sympathize with the people who see this as a rip off. However, i would say wait until they release more info on whats included in the game, what this "Extra" you get for keeping your copy might be. Who knows, it could be some sort of mail in rebate where you send in/trade in your copy of SFIV and get Super for a discounted price of say, 20.00-30.00 which would be the sweet spot for this game. Capcom would be stupid(But not the first)not to do something like this as it would be an incentive for the people who own IV to migrate to Super thus eliminating much of that divide in players between both games. So wait a bit before going off the deep end, Capcom may surprise some people...then again they may just sell it for 49.99 and flat out exploit their hardcore base ala HALO ODST.

[zaherdab]

but we don't all live in the US where capcom might care enough to do that

[111111]

I am so disgusted by all those noob bloggers. Why the hell do they write this nonsense about stuff they do not understand, or "are clearly not into" in the first place? Its nice that people have opinions, but first you have to understand what you are dealing with.

Secondly i am so glad this isnt DLC but a stand alone game. I didnt expect anything less from a new SF generation. Cant wait for this update and the update(s) after that.
Cheers.

[zaherdab]

this is truly the most DISGUSTING thing ever this blogger should be ashamed how dare he not understand !!! ( sarcasm )

[SageFrancis]

that are telling the complainers to STFU.

I bet most of them dont even play street fighter. Why are people complaining about a new super street fighter when capcom have always released 2-3 iterations of the same game?

EA have been doing the same SH*T every year for the past 15! Whats new in fifa or madden or NBA this year? slightlty improved gameplay/graphics, few commentry additions etc yet you still buy it!

TLDR; Stop whining cuz you bought Halo ODST, you buy madden every year and you dont play street fighter.

If you do play street fighter and complaining about this, you belong in a bath, SCRUB!

[maestrobrian]

I'm sorry but I have to defend Capcom on this one...this is how these fighting game companies work their business....they work really hard on a new version of their flagship fighting game, then they release it...we play it..it's awesome....then about a year later...they release a new and improved version! see blog post for PG-14 version of rant! http://www.maestrogaming-br...