Radeon HD 5870 comes with Dirt 2 coupon

Half Life voucher all over again...

Not so long ago, ATI paid some 6 million dollars to Valve to make Half Life 2 run good on ATI hardware and to be optimized for DirectX 9 at the time. After a long delay, the game did shipped but the Halo effect didn't fail to materialize.

This time around Radeon HD 5870 comes with Dirt 2, first DirectX 11 game..

[Nihilism]

sooo close, i can feel crysis trembling...

[FordGTGuy]

so the price of cards like the GTX 295 will come down and I can buy one :).

[champ21]

5870 x2 will be awesome ;-)

[Nihilism]

noooo!!!

that would be absolute worst timing, wait for the next series, the bechmarks for the gt300's will be insane, the gtx295 scales horribly in sli, even the standard gt300 version ( the equivilant to the gt280 this time) will beat the gtx295,

i have a gtx280 and upgrading now would be a whole lot of money for very little benefit

personally i'm gonna wait for a cpu upgrade for probably a year

i run a q9450 @3.2ghz, so i'm cool on the cpu front, ( i7 upgrade + x58 mobo, + ddr3, = expensive, and all for no increase in gaming performance ( i7's aren't cool with 1 gpu)), so im gonna get a gt380, or whatever they call them, and then work on the rest, i think it's crazy that people run 30" monitors, you'd have to lower the settings in quite a few games that i run maxed (including 16qaa)now 32" is 81cm, lol, my last monitor was 17", i'm using 22" now, and 55cm is very decent for a pc monitor in my eyes

@champ21

some competition is always a good thing, and ati's single card performance is where they shine anyway, i don't think i'd bother with crossfire as it scales terribly, but i only got one card this gen ( lol, only....years ago it was unheard of), and i'll probably only get 1 next time, so a 5870 would go down nice and smooth, it just sucks that ati only support 8*aa (with a single card).

16qaa with games like tyhe witcher and battfront 2 and older games makes them look alot easier on the eye. Even kotor looks good with that much aa

yeah i know they next gen of card will be fine,

crysis should run at 45frame average on very high at 30" even with the 5870 (it ran at 45frame average at 1900*1200, and that was with 4*aa), this is from online benchmarks of the new card, which is why i said i play to get a gpu before upgrading the other stuff, getting a 30" monitor now would be stupid, i think the average for crysis with gtx280 on very high on 30" is 12 frames...

@shane kim

the specs can't really be compared as the gpu architecture is drastically different ( the way the components work and are programmed for), nvidia had cuda, ati does not, nvidia supports physx...ati does not, but all that will change, the only reason ati doesn't have physx is because nvidia have licensed them to port it across

[champ21]

agreed no point getting the 295gtx once the gt300 is out

for one thing i think the new cards will have a lot higher memory. so it will be easier for them to handle hi res textures at extreme resolutions.

the 295gtx with its shared memory struggles at resolutions like 2500*1600. i would recommend the g300 processor once its out.

with the competition going on between ati and nvidia prices will be good thats a given.

i support ati and nvidia. i belive nvidia's solution probably will be better.. though i will end up getting an ati card cause i feel they are under represented.

5870x2 + 30inch screen 1600p gaming says hi :P

[Shane Kim]

I dunno sh!t about computers. But it feels like ati and nvidia cards can do the same sh!t only that ati's cards are cheaper.

At least here in Sweden ati cards are often cheaper, and judging from the specs, it's basically the same card.

[champ21]

@shane

well they are usually quite close in performance. out doing each other depending on game.

4870X2 was by far the most powerful card out there for a good while. until nvidia came out with the 295GTX.

Though 58XX series should give Ati the lead for a short while until the gt300 series comes out. then again they will be trading blows. its good for us the consumer. 3D gaming wouldnt be where it is today had it not been for companies like these.

[RoarrrUK]

I'm holding out for the 2nd gen dx11. Unless you're buying a pc right now or simply can't wait, wouldn't you want comparison specs? Plus the 1st gen is always risky, you get burnt on price and then improvements come out.

I'm running 3.8GHz i7 (X58), 6GB DDR3, o/c GTX285, 24" IPS panel, 1920x1200. While I'm keen to utilise DX11 especially with Dirt 2, I'm holding out for later dx 11 releases.

For a start I have a GTX285 rather than a GTX295 / HD4870x2 soley down to noise/temp. ATI cards run hot, everyone knows that due to reviews and comparisons. THe GT300 will probably thrump the 5870 but if its louder, then I'd consider ATI.

It's not just performance/£/$, there are other factors. Though some people aren't concerned with power/noise/temp etc, some are.

[free2game365]

Man I remember the HL2 launch. That game was such a mess technically. On a similarly powered Nvidia card at the time you couldn't even run the game in DirectX9 mode. I remember I could run DX9 fine in UT2k4 and Far Cry.

[DelbertGrady]

"Not so long ago, ATI paid some 6 million dollars to Valve to make Half Life 2 run good on ATI hardware..."

Thoughtful of them to give Gabe a free meal.

[FantasyStar]

Who doesn't like a free meal?

[Johnny_Cojones]

HAHAHAHA

[dirthurts]

A dirt2 coupon would certainly sweeten the deal.

[xg-ei8ht]

Yeah Uncharted 2 makes crysis tremble.

[champ21]

lol uncharted pls

tombraider looks better on my system then uncharted running on my bros ps3 lol.

[Arnon]

It's all good. I doubt the guy's ever actually seen Crysis running on max.

[EpsilonTeam]

Nice going ATI but i'm going to wait for GT300. Nvidia always end up with something better in the end.
Plus ATI has nothing similar to CUDA,Physx,3d gaming. Have you seen Batman Arkham Asylum in 3d with Physx enabled?

[FantasyStar]

I'm no ATI-Fanboy, but doesn't AMD-ATI have a licensing agreement with Havox? It's not all that bad. I just looked at the Batman:AA Physx demo and I'm going to need more convincing than some papers or smoke to really sell me. *remembers CellFactor demo fondly*.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[EpsilonTeam]

No youre no ati fanboy but for some reason you forgot to mention 3d gaming and cuda alternatives. It's not just physx man which is FREE. Anything that adds up to realism doesn't hurt either yes?

[FantasyStar]

Yes, you got a point. Free is good!

[Are_The_MaDNess]

do i need an upgrade?
running a Intel Core2 Quad CPU Q8300 @ 2.50GHz
with GeForce 9600 GT
and 4 GB RAM and im running Win7
Do i need an upgrade?
sorry im not good whit HW XD

[champ21]

depends on what you want to run.

if you are playing at 720 you should be fine as you are.. though a 150usd upgrade on the gpu can really prolong the life of the system.

specially once the new ati gpus are out.. things are bound to drop in price.

[Are_The_MaDNess]

Playing at 1080p on my 42" Tv XD

[champ21]

your cpu is fine then.

i would recommend a gpu upgrade though ;-)

wait till ati releases its line up.. get the 5870 perhaps..

or you could wait for nvidia line up.. that probably will come around jan.

also it depends what your budget is, 5870 might be an overkill for 1080p.

[xg-ei8ht]

Yeah whatever.

I've played CRYSIS BANGED OUT in dx10.

Yes it's a very nice looking game, but honestly people go over the top with it.

For one, i can tell you this, the water system employed in Crysis is very poor.

and cryengine 3 eats 2 alive.

As for uncharted 2, it's miles above the first game, even though the first game looked excellent. You'd have to be an extremely sad pc fanboy to think otherwise.

I've been a pc guy all my life, but there's some games on PS3 that look awesome. UNCHARTED 2 being one of them, GT5 being another.

deny it all you want.

But other then crysis, what other game pushes pc's graphically.

And what most of you still don't seem to understand is on a Console, you don't need nowhere near the power of a PC to produce the same graphics.

Thing is, i dont enjoy anymore having to pay stupid amounts of money for graphic cards that hardly improve on anything other then res, and for processors that barely get used.

and sorry to say, those batman physics could have been done on any system.

[champ21]

first count the disagrees on your comment merely comparing crysis with a 720p game lol. pls fanboy we know you probably played crysis on an intel intergrated gpu.

Again even tomb raider looks better then uncharted lol

Nothing pushes the pc to the limits not until crysis 2 comes out atleast.

which shows how far the gpus have come and its a good thing now most ppl can enjoy games at hi resolution everything maxed out.

i am sure dirt 2 will be the best looking racer out there once its out on the pc.

and yea aside the 1-2 good exclusives the ps3 does get a year theres always more exclusives on the pc. Not to mention all the 3rd party games are just better on the pc that already accounts for 90% of the games.

ps3 or 360 they do terribly on fps, rts or mmo generes.

so why get a games on a console which are over priced and low res, while not having any mod support later on (lol dont mention unreal3 as your only title we know its the one and only).

Your last comment about changing graphics cards just shows how misguided you are and you probably arent a pc gamer.. cause even if you bought a g8800 2 years back.. it would still be serving you better then any console today and like a said gpus have come to a lvl that even a midrange gpu these days is enough to supercharge a 2yr old pc to last this entire generation.. so pls ps3 fanboy learn before you talk.

I bet if the bat man physics were done on a ps3 you fanboys would have been boasting about it everywhere.. boasting how good sony is.. sadly it takes sony misguidance to get you guys started.

[Arnon]

"and cryengine 3 eats 2 alive."

Rofl this guy has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. The CryEngine 3 is just the CryEngine 2 optimized for consoles. In fact, wasn't it proven to not run as proficiently as the CE2?

"And what most of you still don't seem to understand is on a Console, you don't need nowhere near the power of a PC to produce the same graphics."

Yes you do. I doubt Oblivion on your PS3 could run at 8x AA with a draw distance of 200x the regular draw distance (The one on consoles, lolz), and running at a good solid 60 FPS. In fact, I'm so sure that a PC is superior to a console, that if Uncharted 2 came to a PC, it would have more graphical options, and would be proven to outdo it's console counterpart.

If you honestly think anyone is going to believe you when you say things like, "Thing is, i dont enjoy anymore having to pay stupid amounts of money for graphic cards that hardly improve on anything other then res, and for processors that barely get used", then you are sadly mistaken.

EDIT:

"But other then crysis, what other game pushes pc's graphically."

There's nothing that pushes PC gaming. They're not limited like consoles.

[STONEY4]

"And what most of you still don't seem to understand is on a Console, you don't need nowhere near the power of a PC to produce the same graphics."

First of all, Uncharted 2 doens't even look close to Crysis, and it's not rendering a big open jungle area, fully destructible environments, real time shadows with soft shadowing on everything, or extremely sharp textures. Not the same graphics, and it's not even doing all of that.

[xg-ei8ht]

Sadly i've probably been gaming alot longer then you.

Dam, i used to play bombjack, now that was AAA game back in the day when the game was first released.

8800gtx barely ran the game maxed out at a decent rez/

And your really proving my point.

The only thing a PC has is the Rez and AA option.

See when Ati and nvidia's new cards come out, Anything that has a decent increase in graphics will run poorly, most first cards do, but hey, you'll all run out and buy one.

As i said, I left the PC train alone awhile ago, for the reasons i stated already. Bioshock, same on pc as it was on consoles, Batman other then the tiny bits of paper looks the same. And to be honest, there are games on PC that are alot older, don't need half the gpu and are actually better games.

BF2 is one of them, looks like crap by todays standards, but still a good game.

Crysis is texture,shaders, and the only thing that makes it look better then most pc games is the amount of post processing.

As i've already stated, UNCHARTED 2 does all of this in spades.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

switch to HD.

Sorry if your not impressed, your not a gamer.

[evrfighter]

"Sorry if your not impressed, your not a gamer. "

I'm sorry if you are impressed...Your not a gamer

[STONEY4]

"Dam, i used to play bombjack, now that was AAA game back in the day when the game was first released.

8800gtx barely ran the game maxed out at a decent rez"

Then you obviously don't have a 8800gtx and proved you're lying.

"The only thing a PC has is the Rez and AA option."

60fps, much sharper textures, better lighting, sharper shadows, more polygons, more detailed character models, larger draw distance... just about everything looks better on PC. The difference between most games on PC and consoles is night and day.

"Bioshock, same on pc as it was on consoles, Batman other then the tiny bits of paper looks the same."

Bioshock looked alot better on PC, I don't know about Batman since I don't have it on PS3. I have both versions or Bioshock, and the PC version looks much much better.

"Sorry if your not impressed, your not a gamer."

The only thing impressive about it is the fact it's running on a graphics card the equivilant of at 7800GTX. Other than that, it doesn't like ZOMG MINDBLOWING.

[STONEY4]

By the way, I will be buying Uncharted 2, as it does look like an awesome game. But saying it's graphics are mindblowing is an overstatement.

[xg-ei8ht]

I'm sorry all you have is CRYSIS, Good graphics poor gameplay.

[evrfighter]

lol I agree. That's why I play Arma 2 and Empire more.

Those two titles make any PS3 exclusive look like demo's.