Xbox 360 Owners Not into HDMI, still play games using AV output

Gamesthirst writes: While the HD revolution is in full swing, Xbox 360 owners could care less. If Aaron Greenberg is to be taken at his word, then Xbox 360 gamers haven't being enjoying high quality video output as make believe. Here's what he said:

[wxer]

bu bu but
the 360 got teh berretz versionz of teh multi plats

lol
thats dosnt matter if you dont have an HDTV

[KingKionic]

Ms should have kept it in . But it wasn't being used...

Weird....

[sack person]

XBOT360=LAST GEN CONSOLE.

[cyborg6971]

How sad is that. No DVD's upscaled or anything. Weak.

[dustgavin]

No wonder 360 fans cannot tell the difference!

[Mr Marbles]

Your still going to want to have the 360 version even if you don't have an HDTV, simply because the better looking version will still look better in SD as well as HD.

So who dropped you on your head, Mom, or dad?

[TheBlackSmoke]

The Point is ps3 owners can afford a HDTV. Play beyond jackass.

[RedDragan]

I am actually suprised by that. HDTVs are quite cheap these days and the improvement over SD is amazing.

As for the comment about PS3 owners not affording a HDTV? Please, that is so immature. This console war is getting old, even some of the hardcore fanboys are now saying they are getting bored of the arguments.

[wxer]

sure
80% of them are kids that dont own an HDTV

[kaveti6616]

Slowly you have crawled out of the open zone, and now you are making childish comments and blanket generalizations about a range of people you don't know, and the only experience you have had with them has been on the internet, mainly this site where the ugly extremes tend to gather around.

[marcus j]

owned a 32" 720p panasonic viera and ps3 since i was 13.

[lokiroo420]

You "owned" that did you marcus? lmao

[TheBlackSmoke]

Most of them play in SD yet are always boasting about "SUPERIOR" multiplatform games.

[Mr Marbles]

you spend all day on N4G acting like some kinda Jahovas witness for a game console, doesn't mean that everyone does. Most 360 gamers are probably casual gamers who don't know or care what PS3 games look like in comparison to their 360 counterparts. They got 360s because all there friends have them and XBL is "cool", so take that crap to the other zone.

[TheBlackSmoke]

First off i dont hang around on n4g all day, check my comment history and you will see that. Secondly your ignored by 109 users....maybe you should escort your own ass to the open zone me thinks.

You need to stop living in denial, how old do you think the majority of the 360 demographic are? the 360 trolls on n4g and any other forum are mostly teens. Think about it, why would you have so much hatred towards a superior product? the answer is simple, because you cant afford it. How do i know 360 is rampant with kids...play halo 3 for about 5 mins and you have your answer.

Lol ignored by 109 users...gtfo

[lsujester]

I had my 360 for about a year before I bought my HDTV. Not that I didn't want it, just I couldn't afford it. I imagine there are many people out there who have to scrounge and save just the get the console, much less a thousand dollar TV.

[Mr Marbles]

so you don't spend all day on N4G with this account, but what about your other accounts?

Thanks for noticing my ignore count, Im pretty proud of it, Hope to get to 200 before 2010.

And you still think PS3 is the superior console, have you been to lens of truth lately? and I'm the one living in denial you say?

[TheBlackSmoke]

You mean have i stared at a zoomed in screenshot to spot a jaggy that will never effect the intended experience? I have two words for you.... Uncharted 2.

Nice to see you cant refute my argument so you have to use the 2007 argument of superior multiplats. Whats next? "teh playstation haz no gamez" ?

Sorry to burst your bubble but i dont need to alt account to remain relevant. Maybe if you debated with me using facts rather than stating your opinion as a fact you would have more bubbles.

[Sarcasm]

"Secondly your ignored by 109 users"

Make that 110. I just ignored him haha

[morganfell]

What we are seeing is Microsoft evolving their marketing. It is now patently clear the 360 cannot maintain pace with the PS3 when it comes to providing a visual powerhouse experience. Maintain pace? Who are we kidding, they are not even running in the same lap.

Just as MS dropped the 720p requirement, so they have begun to state they are not interested in a race they know they cannot win.

"Ahhh, phooey. Those grapes are probably sour!"

I think this is a bad move by MS. If there is one thing that should be obvious it is that casual games have begun to take something of nosedive in terms of popularity. Economics advisers are beginning to point to an upswing in the economy though it will take 2-3 months before consumer feelings begin to reflect this. This is important because hesitant members of the buying public will feel more at ease making high end purchases again. This combined with lowered PS3 prices are going to assist matters such as HDTV, home theater, and Bluray sales.

But then again, the 360 can't compete with the PS3 in that department so it may be they are merely stating the only avenue available to them is the one they would have chosen anyway.

[pixelsword]

It could also explain why people were complaining about the Unreal Engine's "plastic" look.

I (finally) played games on my upgraded TV, and when Playing UTIII the metal textures really pop-out compared to playing it on SDTV. Gears will be the same way; and when I played Resistance 2 again, Oh, my goodness... that game looks gorgeous.

[HolyOrangeCows]

Of course, once MS stops including HDMI cables, suddenly no one uses them.

[blackmagic]

The AV cables shipped with the 360 are component cables. Although HDMI is the preferred connection today, compononet cables are capable of carrying a signal right up to 1080p and offer the advantage of being compatible with virtually every television sold in the last decade.

[Nineball2112]

You know... although it's not much, that $50 a year for Xbox live could be going towards a HDTV purchase...

In all seriousness, there really is a world of difference between SDTV and HDTV. I really suggest everyone move up if they can.

[Kleptic]

it could also simply be that 360 can not do anything that actually requires HDMI in the first place...afterall, even HDMI equipped 360's are not 1.3...HDMI 1.2 is simply an 'easier' way to get component like clarity...

1.3 on the other hand can do all kinds of crazy stuff with sound and picture...super white, x.v. color, deeper saturation for those with 10 bit display panels...etc...the 360 cannot take advantage of any of these effects because none of them can be implemented via DVD...its all related to blu ray...

with that said...most of the 1.3 stuff (aside from uncompressed audio) that the PS3 can output is related to movies, particularly bd movies...the 360 doesn't have a blu ray drive, and therefor has no real reason for HDMI at all...as you can still upscale DVD's over HDMI...1.3 though doesn't have a particularly big advantage when it comes to gaming though...

[jonnyp777]

Let's just leave the Jehovah's Witnesses out of this, please. Thank you.

[Anon1974]

I've never been able to get 1080p output on component cables with my 360, and Microsoft support was never able to figure it out.

However, I never really felt I was missing out. It's not like there's much in 1080p on the 360 anyway, and I never bothered with the HD-DVD player.

[KingKionic]

Guess Ms took it out because it cost $50 .

Wanted to keep that price at the $299.99 level without losing money on something .

But im surprise you could not use the xbox 360 hdmi on your tv .

Works fine for me .

:D

[Lich120]

The article seems odd, since 720p is still HD output. So I am one of those who has HD but I don't use HDMI. It seems kinda of misleading, because theres no way in hell i'd be stuck in standard rez, but if I was asked whether or not I used the HDMI I would have to say I do not.

[Sarcasm]

You sure you set it up right? I got 1080p output via component for 360 games. It's the HD-DVDs that only output in 1080i. Although I'm using an HDMI now, but before I always used component.

[UNCyrus]

Great... You THINK it's 1080p, but the truth is that nothing is running native 1080p out of that console, it's all being upscaled

[Anon1974]

I've got multiple HD inputs running into my system and my 360 is the only one that can't seem to do 1080p. I've spent some time on the phone with Microsoft and they couldn't figure it out either. Microsoft and I have also never been able to figure out how to network my PC in with my 360 either, which makes me think it might be the console itself. I used to have it networked fine, but that system died on me and the replacement system was never able to connect. The support guys were never able to figure out either problem, but ultimately it was no big deal. It still plays games fine and that's the main thing.

[blackmagic]

It's probably your TV. The television needs to have an analogue tuner that is capable of accepting an analogue 1080p signal. An analogue tuner capable of accepting 1080p adds cost to the TV and only a smaller percentage of people use it anymore so it is becoming a rare feature.

[RememberThe357]

Gaming in HD really is a huge upgrade, even on my little ass tv.

[SnuggleBandit]

ya i have a 26 inch sharp lcd lol...it small but has a great picture. And being a college kid, i feel lucky to have any type of hdtv however small it may be!

[Aclay]

z-hayden,

Yeah, I've been there too man. I started out with a 23" Samsung HDTV with my PS3 about 2 years ago, but to me a Small HDTV was better than No HDTV at all and I still feel that way! I didn't get my 40" Samsung until this Summer, but now that I'm back at college,I'm stuck with my 23" again until Fall Break :(

Hopefully the prices of the bigger screen HDTV's drop in price a lot more in the near future, because I want as many people as possible to experience HD Gaming to it's fullest.

[Sarcasm]

You guys are right, I used to have a 32" Vizio that I thought looked amazing. Then I went through 6 other HDTVs and finally settled on my 46" LN46A750. Been happy with it since.

You guys need to get a 46" or bigger and play games like MGS4 or Uncharted. It takes "Cinematic" to a new level. Then save up for something that's better than a big HDTV, a 7.1 DTS-HD MA receiver. I swear, it's one of the most overlooked aspects of gaming today. COD4, Uncharted or most recent games are 7.1 and you can hear every sound. Stuff that you wouldn't normally hear.

[SnuggleBandit]

well ya i've played uncharted and killzone 2 on a 53 inch tv with full bose surround sound(parents have the best set up ever). haha and ya it was effin amazing...killzone 2's sound is absolutely incredible!

[Kleptic]

I was playing my PS3 (most of the time) on a 36" Sony Wega CRT 480i...as far as SD televisions went, it was easily one of the best (fawker was like $3800 back in 1999, luckily I didn't buy it then)...and the picture over component from my PS3 was easily acceptable...mostly because it had a 16x9 option that you could 'lock' the tv into...so the games looked scaled properly (any HD game scaled into 4:3 looks terrible), just much softer than a true HD picture...but I didn't even have problems with text like many people do with SD stuff...some games looked terrible (R2 did not scale well), but some still looked great...

finally upgraded to a Sony Z series 46" 120hz last spring...and yeah, its unbelievable now...

[Kyur4ThePain]

What?

[pixelsword]

...I don't think English is the guy's first language.

Or second.

[Kalowest]

I have a cousin who had a 360 since it came out, and he doesn't even
use the HD cords. He's a 18yr old geek by the way, and he just doesn't bother with it.

[Aclay]

This isn't that surprising because there was an Interview a while back where Mark Reign from Epic Games and he said that over 50% of 360 users that bought Gears 2 didn't play it on a HDTV:

http://www.giantbomb.com/ge...

Plus, Microsoft sold the Xbox 360 for a little while without an HDMI port initially, so there's probably plenty of people with older units that don't even have a 360 with HDMI to begin with.

The PS3 was the more expensive console initially and has Blu-ray, so I'm thinking a nice percentage of PS3 owners play their games with HDMI though. Getting a pretty nice HDTV defiantly isn't that cheap, but I think it's a worthy investment every gamer should make this gen. if they have the means.

[Flawza Motorputt 3]

Can't say that I'm not surprised. Almost all their games aren't even HD. Halo's STD in 640p LOL

[KingKionic]

There`s sub hd games on both ps3 and xbox 360 .

Both are capable of 720p-1080p .

[wxer]

the max. that the 360 can do is 1080i
NOT 1080P

1080P>1080i

[ambientFLIER]

WXer, are you really that stupid or was it just flame baiting, saying that it can't do 1080p?

[Chubear]

Don't be a damned fool. MS plays with people who have little to no knowledge about products that's how they make a living.

The 360 doesn't make it's games (especially exclusives) rendered in 1080i or 1080p. It tries to mimic 1080i or 1080p. The PS3 has it's games rendered in NATIVE 720p and some rendered in 1080p. No mimics but proper HD.

If you want to bury your head in the sand and believe MS offers this too then you go right ahead. It's no skin off me, I got proper HD gaming to get to.

[ambientFLIER]

So what kind of resolution does Virtua Tennis run in on the 360?

[SUP3R]

They have no idea what they're missing. If you can make the investment, go HD ASAP!

[cheapndirty]

You can get HD content over component. 720p is still HD. IN fact most games are NATIVE 720p.I will not care about 1080p until 90% of the games I PLAY are native. Upscaling is not the same.

Are you guys even aware of ALL Of these reasons for HDMI? It is roughly split down the middle for convenience and high bandwidth(depending on which version of HDMI).

I am using component for my 360 with the optical cable. I use HDMI for my ps3. Nothing magical is happening because I am using one vs. the other. And dont start with 'the ps3 can do lossless audio'.Yeah do you know what kind of equiptment you NEED to actually realize that benefit?

I had a friend just buy a ps3 and guess what cable he used? The composite AV cable included (Sony like MS did not include the HDMI cable). Sigh. Most consumers are pretty ignorant on how to realize all of the benefits of new technology purchases.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

I have HDMI. I bet they asked 30-50 people for their wonderful research.

[DARK WITNESS]

exactly...

I use hdmi ( 40"lcd samsung 1080p ) most of my friends have HDTV's, I suppose it depends who you ask.

[colossi16]

I'm surprised how fast the price of hdmi cables have dropped since I bought mine. I spent alot of money on those cables.

[xxBATTLECATxx]

you got jipped cuz i bought my 1.3 hdmi at frys for six bucks

[Syriel]

Why is the story about the Xbox 360, yet the accompanying photo is of a PSP cable? :)

[The_Nameless_One]

Another gem from Greenberg. This guy is a perfect MS PR person.

[theEnemy]

most of 360 out there doesn't even have an HDMI port.

[Sarcasm]

They are referring to the Elites I think.

Which is probably why they took out the HDMI cable.

[Mr Marbles]

most people period, do not have HDTVs, this is why 360 has outsold PS3 for so long even though PS3 has bluray, bluray is irrelevant without a HDTV.

[TheBlackSmoke]

No 360 has not outsold the PS3 seeing as though the lead is only down to the one year headstart. PS3 has sold just as much as the 360 each year since its been on the market all whilst being more expensive. There goes your theory son.

By saying they chose the 360 because they dont have an HDTV is like admitting its not a HD console. People bought the 360 because it was a cheaper alternative to the PS3, look at how now they are the same price the PS3 is raping the 360 in sales. logic...try it for once

[cooldude123]

Seriously.

[Kwertie]

Illiterate retards. It's COULDN'T care less, not could care less.

http://incompetech.com/gall...

[RumJunkie]

I clicked through to say the exact same thing. Could NOT care less. If you 'could care less', you're saying you care for it to some degree and therefore could be persuaded to lower your opinion. Oh forget it, what's the point? The internet is an incredibly stupid place. I'm out.

[Kwertie]

Haha, someone disagreed. How can you possibly disagree with fact?

[cheapndirty]

Disagree with fact?Welcome to n4g. We have plenty of morons on this site. Well, actually only a handful. But they all have 20 accounts each.

[ozstar]

Nintendo were right all along.

Not one of you have said this, pathetic.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

MS themselves said their new standard resolutions for their exclusives is 640p so ya know....

[ps12&3lover]

i wonder how xbots feel playing in the past while ps3 gamers are playing beyond..

[Taz Yamauchi]

Coz there is nothing HD about that console only upscaled staff

[Enigma_2099]

Next thing you'll tell us is that they don't care much for HD altogether...which isn't even close to being true, otherwise they wouldn't talk so much junk about the Wii.

[Sarcasm]

Did you read the article? This came from AARON GREENBERG. You know, the Microsoft X360 representative?

All this really shows us, is why they decided to pull the HDMI out of the elites.

[Enigma_2099]

That right there tells me that I don't NEED to read it.

[Obama]

No wonder ODST is in 640p.

[AliTheBrit]

Dont think so :)

Xbox 360 Elite, HDMI, 40" Samsung LCD HD 1080p

HD Gaming on the Xbox 360 :)

[ps12&3lover]

WHATS THE POINT OF ALL THAT IF THE GAME STILL RUNS AT 640P..THATS LIKE BUYING A MUSTANG TO ONLY GO 10 MPH..IM OUT 1

[AliTheBrit]

What's the point of typing something in caps? It would be like screaming something to someone in public, when you could just say it.

Retard

[cliffbo]

i play Wipeout in 1080p... that's the point. FUTURE PROOF

[dustgavin]

"HD Gaming on the Xbox 360 :)"

Suuuure. Enjoy your sub-hd halo games!

[champ21]

ps3 isnt in any better shape.. most ps3 games are sub hd too lol

however with sonys marketing most ppl are misguided.

[JEDI WOLVERINE]

"i've never been able to get 1080p output on component cables with my 360, and Microsoft support was never able to figure it out."

You can get 1080p output through component but only if your tv excepts this.
Some Sammy's and Sony's do but alot of t.v's dont so people use HDMI as its more 'universal' for want of a better word!

[champ21]

id say micro & sony are the real winners here, brainwashing the whole lot of you into beliving both these 3yr old pcs actually do full hd lol and whats worse charging you a higher price for low res multiplat games.

lol even most of the first party games are 720 sometimes below that.

720 or below not = true hd

[dustgavin]

"brainwashing the whole lot of you into beliving both these 3yr old pcs actually do full hd lol"

That may be the case for 360, but I do not recall any current home computers that run off the Cell chip.

[champ21]

its still got a 3 yr old gpu.

dont let sony fool you into thinking otherwise.

[dustgavin]

Your comment makes no sense because you are trying to compare a console to a pc.

"its still got a 3 yr old gpu."

Of course it does you idiot. It is a console system! The 360 has a 4 year old gpu. What is your point?

[champ21]

point is its obselete

games are overpriced..

i could get a usd150 gpu that would out perform it.. and the games would be cheaper too..

why be an idiot and pay micro & sony a cut for low res games lol.

[dustgavin]

Why be an idiot and argue about PC specs in a console article?

[Truplaya]

its strange. i play my 360 and ps3 on a hdtv so does my brother and 3 of my mates. i know 3 people with ps3 and only one plays on a hdtv. the other two are my gf's 16yr old brother and 13 yr old cousin. both play on standard tvs with the scart lead that came in the box and they think they are getting a hd picture. depends who you ask i suppose.

[Si-Pie]

Ive tried HDMI but I dont know for some reason I prefer VGA. Im not sure how many people use this connection method but it does look different. I know its not a digital connection but I personally prefer it. It is strange though if a 360 owner doesnt use a digital connection if one is available!

[Tyre]

Most 360 games are native 720p(which is HD)and some are even 1080p native, only Halo3 and Call of Duty 4 are slightly under that resolution Sony dropped the 720p requirement a long time ago(a lot of PS3 games are under 720p resolution)only nobody noticed, why do people keep talking about the PS3 like it's the marketing story that Sony gave the world in 2005?, beats me... Xbox360 is an HD console and it shows i've got it hooked up via VGA on 1366x768 and they look truely amazing on a HDTV...also tried HDMI with a PS3 on 1080p and it looks bad(jagged edges and such), PS3 also upscales most games, but it hasn't got a dedicated scaler like the HANA scalerchip in the 360 which is an amazing upscaler!

[Rowsdower]

i've owned a 360 for three years, it its what pushed me to get a 37" LCD 720p TV.

[Gish]

Hell I have to use component output since I cant use optical sound output with hdmi. Big engineering mistake by MS.

[deividpaulo]

HDMI is just for High Def like PS3 or BLU RAY players...to ya play xbox360 you just need one SDTV and AV cable....

[DuneBuggy]

The TV I tend to use is 1080i and from what I read,component goes up to that resolution.So even though I have HDMI on this TV, I figured it would be a waste of money. But if you think im missing out,im open to buying a HDMI cable if anyone has input about that.
I dont think my HD satelite broadcasts at a signal higher than what my "old" 1080i can handle too.

[steve30x]

Im not using HDMI with my Xbox 360 because the only way I can use HDMI and optical out is by either breaking the lead that comes with the console and use HDMI or buy the M$ over priced HDMI lead with optical out.

[jaredjarboe5789]

Now that's not true... I use HDMI and love it... )=

[cliffbo]

so why have we had arguments for the last three years that the 360 has sharper graphics? and if Greenberg is right then the only place you can get high definition IS on the PS3... bit of a double whammy if you ask me

so i guess the sweet spot is 480p now then?

[outlawlife]

360 supports 1080p over component, it is one of the few devices that do so your logic is misguided

[cliffbo]

MS are absolutely terrible with their strategy. first they boast that their system will soon be getting streamed 1080p movies and now they are saying that there is no need for it. Sony, kill them quick, they are making a mockery of the console business

[outlawlife]

i would love to use hdmi but my xbox doesn't have it

us early adopters got screwed on that one

[typikal82]

If only my 360 had an HDMI port to begin with

[TheXgamerLive]

I use it for my HDTV and my 5.1 sound, etc...

This is just another stupid sony wannabe making sh!t up as usual.
Seriously, all gamers who can use HDMI, so enough w/the little girl type rumors, this is so pathetic.