Edge: Halo 3: ODST Review

This is Halo. The near-perfect weapon balance, fantastic enemy AI, attention to level geography and gigantic tear-ups with hordes of nasty aliens are all here, a timely reminder of just how brilliant that basic formula still is. ODST doesn't quite take Halo into unfamiliar territory, but it does show how robust and adaptable the core of the game is – and, more importantly, stands on its own two feet as a spin-off that's better than the vast majority of original games. For that, it earns the right to whatever name it wants.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

"fantastic enemy AI"

That's where i stopped reading.

[Model]

so according to EDGE halo 3 overpriced expansion (9) is better then Killzone 2(7)

Wow, just wow

[Kill Crow]

can't take the heat ...

All te butt huting about Fake reviews in the gamer section is killing me ... HAHAHAHAHAH

what a bunch of pansie girls ....

[Bodyboarder_VGamer]

And better than MGS4(8/10)... http://www.edge-online.com/...

[El Botto]

ROFL I think even xbots have a hard time swallowing that one.

"fantastic enemy AI"

>> ROFL2. Go watch the Underwhelmo ODST clips on youtube and see just how stupid the enemy AI is.

"but, but, but...killzone 2 AI" OWNED xbots.

"attention to level geography"

ROFL3 do they mean the empty open lanes and spaces just to increase the length of the DLC from 2 hours to 4 hours?

Haha Halo is no longer an issue. It has flopped.

[EpicGamerSwordsman]

& is the most biased 360 fanboy site/Magazine, They rate This Garbage higher than MGS4 aka 2008 GOTY. I Like Halo 3 & All, but Honestly, The series has been Milked since Halo Wars. Theres No new IP's Coming out for Microsoft.. & Definately Needs More 1st Party Studios Like Sony & Nintendo. Halo ODST In my opinion is NOTHING Special, It still utilizes the Same 2007 Graphics & Gameplay that is been dated since launch. Oh yeah Just to note, THIS IS AN EXPANSION Pack. F*ckin 360 Fanboys treat it Like if it were a NEW GAME built from the Ground up. Looks like Edge, Euro & IGN Didnt realize this is an expansion. This is nothing but Overated, Overpriced Garbage DLC That should've been Priced at 30$ Like originally.

Oh yeah. Fantastic Enemy AI? Last time i checked was that i've heard the AI is Garbage from multiple Sites.

[lloyd_wonder]

Wont help the 85 metacritic. lawl

[Dutch Boogie]

WOW! Edge proves irrelevant once again. So all these journos mean to tell that an expansion pack with 5 hour SP, sub HD and maps from a 2 year old game is 0.5-1 score less than a proven AAA game (Uncharted 2) with the best console graphics, 12 hour SP and hollywood voice acting?

Now i didn't invent the internet but i sure do know it doesn't deserve a "9".

I have just two word for you, bull sh1t.

Even the 360 gamers know Halo 3: ODST does not deserve such a high score.

The amount of bias towards the Halo franchise is ridiculous. I knew this pos was gonna get a pass but not a 9-9.5. All hope for gaming is lost.

[Meus Renaissance]

Why does it hurt you? I could understand if PS3 games were being rated low but they aren't. Uncharted 2 seems to be a masterclass yet you people still have a massive chip on your shoulder.

A Halo game getting great scores? How dare they? They must have been bought by Microsoft! Honestly all you do is give PS3 fans a horrible reputation. Games on both platforms are selling well and are getting high ratings but nothing associated with Microsoft can be genuinely good can it? I suppose you're on Windows as well..

Just let it go because your hysterical rants don't achieve anything other than put you in a bad light. All you lot do is moan and whinge and hate. People who think the price is worth it will buy it and those that don't won't. End of. If you have an issue with it, protest by not buying it (assuming you were even intending to).

Everytime a Halo ODST review comes out with great scores, I should add, we see several N4G members abusing the bubble system - adding disagrees to try and undermine others - and just generally acting like fanboys. What was that article recently that said Sony fanboys are the worst - he might have a case I tell you that.

[The-Warranty]

"fantastic enemy AI"

HAHA

[Dutch Boogie]

Dude it doesn't hurt me, these false reviews are hurting the industry. How can you sit there and tell me and many educated gamers that this (should be $35) expansion pack is anywhere close to the quality of Killzone 2, MW1+2 and Uncharted 2?

I don't have anything against the game, i just want reviewers to be fair and truthful their reviews. If this was a ps3 game only god knows what mediocre score they would have inflicted on it.

The thing is reviewers are scared to piss off their fanboyish readers. They also know anything less would influence M$ to pull their advertising partnership with their website/magazine publications.

Real recognize real bro, i'm just speaking their truth from one hardcore gamer to many others. We should not be satisfied with such low standards. The price is the thing that irritates me even more. How dare M$!

[Meus Renaissance]

You silly boy, you haven't even PLAYED the game and even if you did, it would be your opinions. That's right, reviews are opinions. I can find you those who would give it a 1 out of 10 and I can find you those who would give it a 10 out of 10. Can you understand the meaning of an opinionated review? Whereas the "fake reviews" that came in a couple of days ago from people like you who didn't play the game giving it low scores, were met with embrace by N4G majority.

ODST may not be worth $60, but those who feel it is will buy it anyway. What are you going to say to those people?

This isn't even about genuine reviews. People just don't like to see Halo with great scores. It was the same thing when Halo 3 was released. The amount of people hating on that game was ridiculous - even though they never played it themselves.

You think everything MS related is fake, even their sales in Europe you call into question. Ever considered you may have a bias against this company?

[StanLee]

God, I really had hoped Edge would have given this game a 6 just because I don't want to deal with the irrational outbursts of PS3 fanboys. This is not going to be pretty.

[Dutch Boogie]

Oh so now that you are being proven wrong, i haven't played then game? that is ridiculous. I have played the game and have watched many videos also. The game deserves 7.5 at best.

It doesn't do anything new yet it still gets a 9-9.5. Come on man, don't make me laugh. It uses the same old engine, same shooting mechanics, lame story (ending was disastrous) and the same old maps from a 2 year old game with 5hrs SP gameplay.

By all means buy it if "you" want but i'm just speaking the way i see it. The game will be decent but does not warrant such a high score. Those 9s and 10s should be reserved for much deserving AAA games.

[Meus Renaissance]

So because you rate it a 7.5 and find it decent, anything else coming from people is either false, bias or BS right? Hmm. Ok. I give LBP a 6 out of 10, MGS4 7 out of 10, and Resistance 3 out of 10. All those that rated it higher are just wrong or bias and I'm sick of this conspiracy.

Thanks, I'll remember that for next time as obviously I AM THE LAW and my word is truth and everything else false.

[Dark_Vendetta]

As I didn't get my hands on the game yet, I can't really judge, but what if is just fun to play? It doesn't really have to use the best graphic engine if you at the end enjoyed the game. Well that's just my opinion

[thor]

Meus - this is HALO 4.

Yes that's right, it's a full game, so I'm treating it as one.

Halo 4, the fourth full shooting game in the Halo franchise.

Now it's agreed that Halo 3's campaign was weak compared to its multiplayer, correct? Everybody agreed that Halo 3's campaign wasn't really that great, but the multiplayer was what made it a classic, right?

So now we're given Halo 4, the next fully-fledged Halo game. Is this what you expected? A short campaign that really does nothing that Halo 3 didn't do, with its own flaws to boot. One multiplayer mode.

Ratchet & Clank: Quest for Booty was a stand-alone expansion of a similar length but it came in at under half the price of ODST.

Wipeout HD: Fury was an expansion pack released this year, came out at a fraction of the price of ODST, and included MULTIPLE new online game modes (not just one), EIGHT new tracks (not just 3 new maps) and a campaign that was the same length as the original game (not just half).

Expansion packs coming out that dwarf the content of Halo 4? You've got that right.

What happened to "bubu teh innovation"?

"So long as it's fun, it's worth that score," you say.

Well I'll say again what I said in another article, "Tetris" is fun to play. If I brought out Halo: Tetris and slapped a hefty pricetag on it, would it score highly? Great, fun, satisfying gameplay. Check. Graphics don't matter. Check. Amount of content doesn't matter. Check. (Plus it's bundled with Halo 1,2 & 3, so it has to have value!). Must be worth a 9/10, right? Wrong. It's just Tetris. I can play it for free on the internet. I've played it before. Halo: Tetris isn't worth a 9/10, and neither is ODST.

A 9/10 is reserved for games that push boundaries, not purely for games that are fun to play. It needs to be a new experience. These guys would rate Halo 3: Reverse where you play all the levels in mirrored format a 9/10. "It's got the same great gameplay as Halo 3, which fans will love. It also has some minor, insignificant differences like the level being mirrored and that makes it innovative in our book 9/10."

What on earth are they going to give Modern Warfare 2.

Infinity Ward are kicking themselves that they even bothered to make a new multiplayer and didn't just make a new game on the exact same engine, half the length, and include CTF mode in the box along with the full CoD4 MP package.

[Dutch Boogie]

Meh i better just let it go cause it's quite obvious you don't understand where i am coming from. I ment they where false as in the scores don't reflect on the quality of the game.

Trust me there will be alot of disappointing gamers out there who purchase this game for $60 (even $120 AUS dollars here in Australia).

I'd better leave you alone cause it looks like my actions are stripping you of your bubbles lol.

Game on bro.

[Christopher]

I'm going to be honest, that score does not reflect what they said in the overall review. Also, did they just thank Microsoft for having a shortened review period with their review copy?

Destructoid's review of the game still seems to be the most spot on and accurate review I can find. The score actually reflects the review and they're honest about the good and the bad of the game.

[CrazzyMan]

While, not Halo fans are giving fair scores.)
You can`t deny, that there are a lot of Halo fans in the world.

Btw, i wasn`t suprised by score. Before i opened this page, i was thinking "hmm.. probaly 9", and here we go. It`s a 9 from EDGE.
I would be suprised if score would be lower.

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/...
NowGamer writes: "ODST is the first in the Halo series to be truly underwhelming. Hardcore fans will still garner some joy, but should also be prepared to feel the pleasure/pain principal when the fun-train terminates abruptly at bland central". 6.3 / 10

[thereapersson]

It's a great double standard, isn't it?

For all the claims that the package of GT:5 Prologue was a demo, and was rated accordingly; ODST gets a free pass despite its short length and the fact it treads the same ground that's been laid out numerous times now -- despite receiving only a mild coat of asphalt.

I don't care what people say though, you price this game at 39.99, and it would be the best value of the whole year. After all, the core HALO formula is still there, but they're asking 20 bucks too much for it (IMO)

@ TheWarranty

I was saying that price was something reviewers knocked the game for, which was unfortunate

[DARK WITNESS]

I have been on this site a while, is this the same Meus Renaissance ? I am sure you use to be a LOT more pro Sony. I mean not that that is a bad thing, we all have our preferences.

I am just wondering where the sudden change of heart came from ?

[The-Warranty]

Don't compare this to prologue because it was only 40 bucks.

Oh alright gotcha

[Double Toasted]

You know you love Halo, why else would you be in here? You're one of those smart/dumb people...

[omni_atlas]

Proves that Edge is being run by MS fanboys/bought by them. Lets not forget:

Killzone 2: 7/10
Resistance 2: 6/10
MSG4: 8/10 (or was it 7?)

I'm sure you guys can pull out more examples, these are just the ones I remember.

Halo 3: 10/10
Halo 3: ODST: 9/10

[Black Maverick]

We are halfway through the great Eurogamer, Edge, Destructiod, GameCentral Halo 3: ODST circle jerk.

[thor]

Well it's not just the question of value.

Attaching a 9/10 to a full release tells me that it's something special. It's not, it's just an expansion to Halo 3.

It's all one big con. If I were reviewing it, I'd review it as a full game - as Halo 4. In that sense, it IS a disappointment. Other devs (Naughty Dog, Infinity Ward) have made a new full game in that time. But all of these reviews are making it look as though the next big Halo game is a must-own for the holiday season. You're getting what, a short campaign and 1 multiplayer mode? That's not the next big Halo game.

They've got away with poor graphics, poor presentation, poor voice acting and other faults simply by naming it Halo 3: ODST. The clue's right there that it's an expansion and not a full game.

To be honest I'm annoyed that they can con many people out of their hard-earned cash simply by bundling stuff that people already own in the box.

Though Valve did it with The Orange Box, so it shows that we're only going to see more of this in the future.

Regarding your GT5:Prologue complaint, I would say that GT5: Prologue wasn't actually THAT well-received by reviewers. It cost less than ODST, and actually included all-new content - we'd never seen online in a GT game before. We'd never played a game on that engine before. Reviewers took the fact that it didn't offer as much content as expected from a full release into account. That isn't the case here.

[Ravage27]

'....and, more importantly, stands on its own two feet as a spin-off that's better than the vast majority of original games.'

Next year,an inspired-Activision will release MW2:GGST packaged with MW3 beta key boasting a omgwtfbbqftw 3 hrs long campaign with terrorist zombies mode bundled with a 2nd disc containing all map packs.

It will also signal the death of all new IPs, there will no longer be any new 'Uncharted' or 'inFamous' since everyone realized sequels of bestsellers with new skins and 0.5% actual improvements gives the most profits and the mindless new generation of gamers will not give a sh*t.

[Blaster_Master]

It doesn't bother me that a crappy game like ODST gets a above average review scores. What bothers me is that the same people that grade Halo games so highly grade other games that are much better significantly lower, especially ps3 exclusives.

Its not right, and it really screws up the way publishers and dev's make there games. It really does hurt the gaming industry when crap games like this get good scores. But thats the thing. These fanboy media types are purposefully doing this to hurt ps3 sales, meta scores, and try to make the 360 the console of choice for devs and publishers alike.

Its funny though, how most of the people who do reviews rarely even play games. In fact, the only reason they play games is to make reviews. They aren't even true gamers. They dont play for fun, they play to make money. We are giving these sites way too much credibility.

[Christopher]

Actually, Destructoid's review wasn't bad. It's not a bad score of 8/10 for the game, but their review itself was pretty spot on about the game as a whole.

I am feeling a bit saddened that many very good/great games of the past that were rated by Edge and similar sites have seen below average scores (6-8) compared to a pretty small upgrade to an existing IP.

I'm hoping that when Edge reviews Uncharted 2 that they realize how much has been added and done for this game and don't just slap the same score on it as Halo ODST. Honestly, being a fan of the game is one thing, but I don't see how someone could rate the two the same considering the leap made in one versus the other.

And, yeah, I am an Uncharted fanboy, but it's hard to not be one with the way Naughty Dog has been set on delivering a great game for us gamers.

[LiquifiedArt]

...For once I'd like to see a Site completely supported by the community where no Media Bias (cough) $$$ (cough) has ANY affect what so ever. I'd like to see a site where a gamer plays the game and rates how much fun they had with it and how much fun they feel they will continue to have with it.

Seriously, As much as Halo is a "GOOD" franchise, lets all be quite frank. BUNGIE wanted this to be a 40$ package. Microsoft upped the price to 60$.

What does that tell you?

I'll let you decide for yourself, but in my own opinion 9/10 seems once again...alittle BIAS to me. Adding 20$ doesn't mean a game should retain its score. maybe a 9/10 @ 40$ but @ 60$ it seems it should be a 7-8.

I think that's fair.

.......

Regarding Weapon Balance?

The article continues to state how SOLID Halo's weapon balance has always been. I seem to remember Halo 1 being a PISTOL FEST, since it was the most badass weapon in the game.

And..

I seem to remeber Halo 2 having all sorts of combos (1 in particular) called the "Noob Combo". (cough) plasma pistol and [insert other gun here]? (cough).

From what i remember NON of the Halo games have EVER been well balanced. Period.

[Syronicus]

Edge decides to maintain their lip service to Microsoft and the Halo franchise. And I think you know what I mean by "lip service"...

[callahan09]

Well, I'll just throw this out there for you all to chew on, but did you know that Edge has never given a single PS3 exclusive game a 9 out of 10? Not a single one. Of course, they've given 9 Xbox 360 games a 9 out of 10:

Braid
Fable II
Forza Motorsport 2
Gears of War 2
Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 2
Halo 3: ODST
Left 4 Dead
Project Gotham Racing 3
Project Gotham Racing 4

[Black Maverick]

For me, it's not even that. ODST will be the start of a dangerous trend where publishers are going to start exploiting the userbase by releasing "ODST" style games of popular franchises at full price. I was hoping Halo 3: ODST would get low review scores not because I hate Halo (which I don't) but because it would send a message to Microsoft that 360 owners deserve better. Instead, the message Microsoft is getting "Our fans will buy anything we tell them to buy."

Why should MS release Gears of War 3 now? They know they can release "Gears of War 2: ODST" with a few maps, meaningless story, and the exact same graphics and charge full retail price for it. It's greed and gamers are going to suffer for it. Look at Activision raising the price of MW2. If people still go out in droves to buy it, then what's to stop them from doing it again?

And I'm sure someone will bring up GT5: Prologue, which is exactly the point. Prologue was reviewed with a lot of low scores of people complaining about the price which was only $40. The response was "No one should have to pay $40 for a glorified demo" but in Polyphony's defense, they never claimed Prologue to be a full game. They said is was "a taste of what you should expect from GT5..." and people still hammered it. However, Microsoft can take an expansion pack slap on the promise of a Halo: Reach beta and charge $60 bucks saying it's a full game and reviewers are "thrilled" at such a great product. Even Bungie admitted that the game was completely finished back in May with no work done to it since then. Honestly, as gamers, we shouldn't stand for this.

[raztad]

It's amazing, really amazing.

Now everything makes so much sense. Every PS3 game deserves a 7, the amazing KZ2 got a 7, it wasnt innovative, isnt it Edge? but arguably an expansion called ODST, which brings nothing new and everything the same to the table, is a SOLID 9. Come on EDGE, where are your expectations for amazing innovations? pushing boundaries? ah ok, they only apply when game is PS3 exclusive

LOLLOL@ EDGE. That site is really rotten.

[gaffyh]

Halo fans should not be reviewing Halo games, they just give the game high scores no matter what. Completely biased.

[JokesOnYou]

-Yeah, Edge is bias because sony loyalists says so...their proof is Edge gave ODST a 9, just like about a hundred other sites. lmfao

-The question is why do those who think ODST is overrated and dont plan on buying it keep following ODST news reviews? Why do they care so much?=

"Fact: PS3 fanboys are the worst"
"Xbox 360 Fanboys support the Xbox 360 by LIKING the Xbox 360.
PS3 Fanboys support the PS3 by HATING the Xbox 360."

http://www.destructoid.com/...
http://www.n4g.com/NewsPend...

I read a comment yesterday that said if you don't think ODST is worth it, or you think its overrated and you still found a reason to read AND comment negatively on MORE THAN 1 HALO REVIEW since the embargo ended then you are a bigtime ps3 fanboy.

Evidence: ^^^^^ Look vvvvvv....the proofs in the pudding. lol

wooohooo! Picking up this game tonight!

JOY

edit @callahan09 "did you know that Edge has never given a single PS3 exclusive game a 9 out of 10? Not a single one."

-Simply false Edge gave LBP a, yep you guessed it 10.
http://www.metacritic.com/g...

[Sarcasm]

Wow Edge, cant wait to see your 7/10 for Uncharted 2!

[Lifendz]

Edge is just a joke. Might as well rename the mag "360: We love you and all you do." Or it might be more accurate for them to simply rename the mag "Sony: We hate all you do except Little Big Planet."

[killedinaction9]

im not accusing anything but ODST isnt showing on your gamertag.You havent even been online for a month??

and how do you not have even 1 achievement for halo3?

*wow, JOYs down to 1 bubble.WTF?*

[Tinted Eyes]

Ha ha JOY had to use a article about one site's opinion on Destructoid.

[callahan09]

I thought it would be nice to look at all of the opportunities Edge have had to score PS3 exclusives at 9 or higher that they didn't take. Obvious examples that jumped out at me were Killzone 2 and Metal Gear Solid 4, which both have meta scores over 90%. But I figured an effective way to look at it would be to analyze all of the exclusives on both consoles in depth and determine all of the exclusive games on both PS3 and 360 that have a MAJORITY of their scores over 90%. So this doesn't just include games with over a 90% meta average, but games that received a 90 or more from more than half of the critics who reviewed them. These games were obviously well-received by the majority of the critics, and stand out to me as examples of games that Edge could have given a 9 or more to. Here's the list:

Only counting games that Edge reviewed. Data retrieved from GameRankings.com @ between 10:00am and 11:00am on September 21, 2009.

Key:
# of 90+ scores / Total # scores = % of 90+ scores ... Edge score - Avg. score = Edge's over/under

PS3
1. Little Big Planet … 72 / 75 = 98.6% … 100 - 94.50 = +5.50
2. Metal Gear Solid 4 … 66 / 83 = 79.5% … 80 – 93.14 = - 13.14
3. Killzone 2 … 57 / 77 = 74% … 70 - 90.38 = -20.38
4. Uncharted … 53 / 80 = 66.3% … 80 - 89.64 = -9.64
5. Ratchet & Clank F: ToD … 47 / 77 = 61% … 80 - 88.60 = -8.60
6. WipeOut HD … 31 / 47 = 66% … 80 – 87.47 = -7.47
7. Flower … 30 / 48 = 62.5% … 70 – 87.31 = -17.31
8. Resistance 2 … 34 / 63 = 54% … 60 – 86.78 = -26.78
9. Ninja Gaiden Sigma … 31 / 58 = 53.4% … 80 – 86.72 = -6.72
10. inFamous … 38 / 75 = 50.7% … 70 - 86.33 = -17.33
11. Resistance: FoM … 41 / 78 = 52.6% … 70 – 86.29 = -16.29
12. Super Stardust HD … 13 / 24 = 54.2% … 80 – 85.62 = -5.62

Exclusive games with a majority of scores 90+ = 12
Exclusive games scored 90+ by Edge = 1
Percentage of majority 90+ games scored 90+ by Edge = 1 / 12 = 8.3%
Total under average = -143.78
Average under = -12
Percentage of games rated under = 11 / 12 = 91.7%

Xbox 360
1. Gears of War … 100 / 110 = 91% … 80 – 93.88 = -13.88
2. Halo 3 … 78 / 91 = 85.7% … 100 – 93.37 = +6.63
3. Gears of War 2 … 74 / 81 = 93.4% … 90 – 93.4 = -3.4
4. Braid … 45 / 53 = 85% … 90 – 92.43 = -2.43
5. Mass Effect … 62 / 86 = 72.1% … 70 – 90.71 = -20.71
6. Geometry Wars 2 … 36 / 48 = 75% … 90 – 89.98 = +0.02
7. Forza Motorsport 2 … 58 / 80 = 72.5% … 90 – 89.61 = +0.39
8. Shadow Complex … 40 / 54 = 74.1% … 70 – 89.48 = -19.48
9. Project Gotham Racing 3 … 55 / 94 = 58.5% … 90 – 88.77 = +1.33
10. Fable II … 53 / 84 = 63.1% … 90 – 88.35 = +1.65
11. Halo 3: ODST … 11 / 17 = 64.7% … 90 – 87.69 = +2.31
Project Gotham Racing 4 … 32 / 71 = 45% … 90 – 86.47 = +3.53

Exclusive games with a majority of scores 90+ = 11
Exclusive games scored 90+ by Edge = 9
Percentage of majority 90+ games scored 90+ by Edge = 8 / 11 = 72.7%
Total under = -44.4
Average under = -3.7
Percentage of games rated under = 5 / 12 = 41.7%

(Mass Effect, Gears of War, and Braid are no longer exclusives, but were exclusive at the time of their reviews. Project Gotham Racing 4 had less than a majority of its scores at 90% or higher, but Edge gave it a 9 out of 10.)

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So as you can see, Edge had ample opportunities to review some PS3 exclusives a 9 out of 10. In fact, there is one more exclusive that is categorized as receiving a majority of 90+ scores on the PS3 than there is on the 360. And yet, they have given 9 times as many 360 exclusives a score of 9+. More than half of the 360 titles were rated over the average score, while only 1 of the PS3 titles was. The facts are pretty telling.

Edit:
Don't just brush this off because you don't want to believe that Edge might have a little bit of bias, or even because you've already decided that they are biased. Really look at it, see what the trends are with their scores. I put a lot of effort into researching this for the community to look at, so I would appreciate it if you would devote some attention to what I think are some interesting facts.

It will be interesting to see how Edge rates Uncharted 2. Will their trend continue, or will they break it and give it a score in line with what all the other critics are giving it?

[aldesko]

Wow, callahan09, I don't think that dissertation was necessary. I'm pretty sure everyone knows Edge is biased. It sucks, because I like their articles a lot... but their reviews are a joke.

I love how people defend their scores.. "But but they use the entire grading scale instead of 7-10". Obviously, this isn't the case.

[rucky]

This is exactly the reason why MS exclusives like Halo won't evolve, it's because of pro-360 sites like Edge that keeps giving them a free pass.

[menoyou]

Edge is an inconsistent joke of a website with zero credibility. The heading proves it. "Perfect weapon balance, fantastic AI, great level geography"??? I nearly laughed out loud reading that. They give this trash rehash expansion pack a 9/10 while quality titles like Killzone 2 receive a 7/10, MGS4 an 8/10? What these idiot "professional reviewers" are doing to the gaming industry is CRIMINAL.

[bnaked]

Wait, i can't believe it..

ODST: 9/10

Killzone 2: 7/10
Resistance 2: 6/10
MGS4: 8/10
Infamous: 7/10
Uncharted: 8/10

WTF????? It's totally laughable!

[PtRoLLFacE]

o men!! i kinda saw this coming from edge, now everyone knows that edge prefers the xbox 360

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Dude, seriously get out of here with that crap. Edge happens to be one of the toughest reviewing publications out and probably most respected. Them giving this game a 9 has EVERYTHING to do with it being a good game worth the dollars and NOTHING to do with Uncharted 2. Why are you even bring that up? Uncharted 2 has NO RELEVANCE to Halo 3: ODST! Fanboy much?

Get your butt hurt fanboy ideals over to something PS3 related and stop worrying about why a 360 game scores well. I am sure the PS3 will have plenty of good scoring games you can go gawk over and claim you are king because of it.

[bnaked]

@Dlacy13g

Fail! You must be blind.. look at the scores, how can they give MGS4 an 8 and ODST an 9??? You want to tell me, that ODST is a masterpiece, and MGS4 is just good??? MGS4 was the game of the year 2008, and if edge give a 8/10, they simply are bad reviewers, or more likely: 360 Fanboys.

[Kornholic]

Edge just lost all of its credibility.

[ReviewsArePolitics]

Why is this such a heated topic? Did anyone expect any different from Edge? They're becoming too predictable.

The only thing that can redeem them is a 10 for uncharted 2. No wait... not even that.

[artsaber]

Thanks for actually backing up what you say with pure facts and statistics. If more gamers were aware of things like this they could service themselves by calling a spade a spade. You sir have done the gaming community a service, too bad half of these bastards either:
a) Are too stupid to know it or b) Are Bliss with ignorance

More of these sites need to be put on blast, they are discriminatory and are deceiving trusting gamers into making shameful purchases.

[I did not murder him]

"Meh i better just let it go cause it's quite obvious you don't understand where i am coming from"

It's not hard to understand you've been trolling Halo articles saying the same thing again and again all day lol.

[SiteNblog Defender]

It saddens me that Meus is getting disagrees for speaking the truth. Once again, the PS3 fanboys prove Destructoid's article.

[2cents]

ODST really is causing a ruckass.

Whatever the review scores, be it 6/10 or 10/10 or dare I say 11/10 lol.
it's gonna get bought, its gonna get played to death and its gonna be a success.

If you dont like it then thats cool, if you dont agree with the reviews then thats also cool. All of these comments and reviews are opinions, each to their own. Thats the price of freedom of speech.

Regardless of what people think I know that there is no convincing anyone that ODST is FUN if they think Halo & 360 sucks, its just not gonna happen. Regardless of the new Hub system, or the new characters or the weapon types or the firefight mode, or sadies story or the new map pack it's the same old sh1t and will remain that way in the eyes of the opposer. But so what, it doesnt make any difference to the people who will buy it. It just makes it all the sweeter when good reviews come out for a game that someone has been looking forward too.

Opinions opinions opinions, there sure are a lot on this site. Shame that the majority of it is negative, but hey thats life. But us believers will survive. The Halo games are some of the best selling video games of all time, so it begs the question that there MUST be something to it? If curiosity ever takes over the ego, give it a try you never know you might just enjoy it, "shock".

Shame we cant all just get along but thats kewl, because when the game comes out then all us idiots will be on live playing the hell outta this inferior and over priced expansion pack while everyone else can continue to say the same old sh1t on N4G.

Prepare to Drop!!!

[siyrobbo]

I do kind of see the OPs point, tho i wouldn't compare it to Uncharted 2, I'd compare it to Killzone 2. I don't see really how Edge can give ODST 9 and Killzone 2 an 8. It is a little ridiculous

[pixelsword]

Although I do agree that an opinion is an opinion, when an opinion is influenced by advertising dollars it no longer is an opinion: it becomes propaganda. I believe that is the heart of what Dutch Boogie is saying.

I'm not suggesting that Edge is engaging in such activities, but I would like people to put Halo 3 and Killzone 2 (and in time, ODST) side by side and compare the reviews of various gaming sites that reviewed both games and see if the games warrant the scores they received.

Let me make this clear though, I am still looking forward to ODST, and I still like the Halo universe better than the Killzone universe overall (although Killzone 2 almost evened it up... and if they put the back-story in a game or movie, it would be about even I guess), but the vast sway in the ratings are telling me that either the game is way good or way bad, but it depends on your ability to "interface" and "understand" the game. Lair was like that, I personally loved it, but I do have a higher than normal ability to adapt to complex things.

My main issue is how many sites said Killzone 2 didn't "innovate" although it's the first FPS that has a cover system, and the best sniper rifle controls in terms of realism, the "quick-draw" knife, and yet other games didn't do anything to innovate, but they never got docked, or the word "innovate" came up in their review: all I hear is "flexible" like when The Orange Box came out, and now ODST... so when I hear that, a red flag instantly comes up.

[ITA_Mafia_Boy]

... why I do not buy this moronic magazine ..

[Ausbo]

A good game does not equal amazing graphics or more content.

A good game is about the fun factor. I don't care if a game is 100 hours long, if it isn't fun, then it isn't worth it.

Look at Heavenly sword or L4d, they were short/low on content, yet they were so fun to play. I would rather play an amazing 5 hour campaign, than just an okay 10 hour one.

Untill you have played the game, don't talk sh** about it. I guess that is too much to ask for because this is n4ps3fanboy.com

[dalibor]

Dang now that I see how Edge has reviewed Ps3 games I came to the conclusion that K2 MGS 4 & R2 were never fun playing the single player campaign nor were they ever fun to play online. Those games hardly had any lag(MGS 4 did have some lag) but games like Gears 2 & Halo 3 odst still crushes them easily & swiftly. Yet Sony fans are categorized as being on crack. As far as Halo 3 odst goes, enjoy the game 360 gamers. I am not going to say anything about that game b/c I frankly never played it to be able to comment on it.

[Hoggy1983]

90% of the commentators on here already don't buy the mag because they don't have the intellectual capacity to comprehend half of the articles in it.

[Bubble Buddy]

Meus has lost his mind, wtf. You can rate a game a low score if you have solid points. Dutch_Boogie has valid points (short gameplay, mediocre graphics, same old gameplay for $60?). Why would you give MGS4 a 7/10, the horrible graphics? The broken gameplay? The only fault I had for MGS4 was the cut scenes but there was a simple skip button.

Everyone knows that if this was a PS3 exclusive, it would have gotten a 7 at max. Since it's Halo, it gets a handicap. Everyone is just ignorant to see that EDGE has been biased since the PS3 launched.

@Ausbo, that's not what xbox fanboys were saying in 06/07. Fact is graphics don't matter as much as game play, but they still matter. I'd rather have a game with great graphics and gameplay rather than just game play.

[AllSystemsRocks]

Always bashing on the 360... move on ... and praise your precious system and stop bashing on other systems !!!!

[AyeKay47]

Actuallly Dutch boogie halo odst is going for 79.95 in most places here in aust and it gets released today

[Ldubbz]

I see the Faithful are having some WHINE with that CROW...classic.

All of your angry tirades say it all. Halo, ruining fanboys days since 2001.

BTW...for those of you going to buy ODST, go get it at Toys R Us if there is one close to you. You get a free ODST figure plus a $20 gift card.

EDIT

And since EDGE just loves Halo and 360 so much...what was that score they gave to Halo Wars again?

[pshizle]

what reviewers think.

play the game without any bias...if you don't like it... move on.

[prowiew]

Cant wait to play the game!

[Shepherd 214]

I dont care for Edge, im just happy IGN gave it a 9.0, now im confident about it when i go to buy it.

And to the #1 poster of this article, Halo 3 had Hollywood voice acting as well. Keith David("Platoon", "Crash"), Terrance Stamp("Superman: The Movie", "Valkerie"), and Ron Perlman("Hellboy") were some of the many great voice actors of Halo 3. Nice try though pal. Actually Keith David and Ron Perlman were both in Halo 2 as well, before Uncharted was even thought of. Oh wait, it was thought of. Its called Indiana Jones. Sorry my mistake.

[DevastationEve]

I never knew why PS3 fans were so compelled to comment on a game that does not interest them...even today they still don't understand Halo's dominance over the gaming industry.

Halo 3 and Halo 3 ODST got reviewed well because the reviewers liked what they played :) What's not to understand about that? A game is a game is a game, you play it. What it "deserves" is such a stupid concept...it's merely subjective. The only truth is how much it's worth to a gamer with $$$ to spend, and how they like it. 99 disagrees can't stop sales, even though the PS3 fanboys think it can.

If I buy the game and like it then screw everything else. In fact guess what...tonight there will be millions of people waiting outside Best Buy locations for the launch. And not one of them really gives a sh*t what the fanboys think. They're here to play.

[calis]

ffs I am getting sick of this.

I do not like Halo that much. I find it an average game. But stop comparing the damn game to Uncharted or any other PS3 game. IT IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.

All games are not graded on the same scale against all others. 360 games are graded against 360 games at the time of release.

Console games are not graded over EVERY Console game.

I am so god damn sick of this crap.

Uncharted 2 should not be mentioned in a Halo ODST post

[season007]

I recall Dynasty Warriors Series Get a repetitive rating on gameplay...and yet bungie get a FREE PASS on Halo 3:ODST

Now i know what biased means...

[gidzilla]

Doesn't sound like you have played it. So I think it's your analysis that is irrelevant.

[morganfell]

"It's not hard to understand you've been trolling Halo articles saying the same thing again and again all day lol."

So says the individual that has spent weeks trolling PS3 articles.

@The-Warranty, you are so dead bang on the money.

[lordkemp007]

This is quite franky disgusting what we have seen over the last 2 days.

Microsofts financial clout over this industry has severely tainted what little credibility it had left.

Not a slur against halo but against the gamer politics, in the end its the gamers who are being duped.

[StanLee]

Please get a life and quit the moral grandstanding. You haven't played the game. Regardless of it's value, there is more content in Halo: ODST than most retail games. Even more so than the vaunted Infamous which I would argue didn't deserve its lofty review scores.

[Christopher]

Good job, StanLee, comparing a single player game with at least 12 hours of single play through content to a multiplayer game. Comparing a game that created a new IP to a game that is built off of an existing IP. Comparing a game that was developed using new technology to a game that is using the same old engine.

Many games can take only 10 minutes to beat or some can take 40 hours. Your comparison of two completely different games based on how much time you can spend playing them is illogical, to say the least.

Now, how about comparing Halo ODST to Killzone 2 or Resistance 2? That would actually be of value and show a bit of logic on your part.

Oh, and inFamous very much deserves its 85 metacritic score. Very much so. Can't wait to see them up it with the sequel and hope they can make a 90+ game based on the new technology and IP.

[Myzer]

Bullshit.

ODST has less content then Infamous, less content than GT5:P and less content than Wipeout HD. And the last two are not full price games.

ODST should be DLC or a half-priced game at best.

[Blaster_Master]

Its so funny how every review Ive seen is purely graded on being a fan of the series. I dont know how many times I seen a review saying "If your a fan of the series then you will like this game, if not then you might consider playing the first one before trying ODST". LOL! Give me a break. Halo is done. Its obvious these reviewers are just trying to save whats left Master Chief and the Halo world.

[DMason]

Wow, this site has finally gone to sh!t. I mean come on people. This thread doesn't even have any 360 fans in it. All it is, is Sony Fanboys shouting "Conspiracy!" from the tops of the mountains because they wanted this game to score lower.

Why, Sony Fanboys, must you go into every single Halo review and spew the same crap? Honestly, it's getting to the point where your hatred is overwhelming you. You should be happy for the 360 gamers, it's their first AAA exclusive this year.

But honestly, this site has gone to crap. It's like the Terminator movies, but the world is run by Sony Fanboys. I quit. This site officially sucks.

[2cents]

and a PS3 fan (whispers again)

I agree, this site is just a little fascist.

But hey, if you dont take the sh1t fountain seriously, it can be quite entertaining to read the comments of the judge jury and executioners.
Although some do froth at the mouth a little too often. But hey, life goes on.

[popup]

Only thing I want to know is why in the article it says,

"Thanks to Microsoft’s restrictive review process, we were forced to play with an eye fixed on finishing the campaign quickly – running from place to place without exploration, and passing checkpoints without taking time to defeat every enemy in an area."

Eh?

[Hoggy1983]

Yawn

[tudors]

What proof do you have of your ridiculous claims?

[Pixel_Addict]

Is proof? Two + year old engine, 5-6 hours of gameplay, over used franchise, too familiar gameplay, and cut-paste level design... that is as good as Gears of War.. not to mention the graphicly superior Killzone 2? That makes no sense. Why else would they give a mediocre game a 9?

[lordkemp007]

I would agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.

[N4PS3G]

Grabs popcorn*

eats slooowly while watching hysterical ps3 fanboys scream their lungs with their God like facts about how the reviewers are unfair over a game they won't buy and haven't even played :)

[GiantEnemyCrab]

So many fanny comments to answer so I will just pick Pixel's out at random.

"s proof? Two + year old engine, 5-6 hours of gameplay, over used franchise, too familiar gameplay, and cut-paste level design... that is as good as Gears of War.. not to mention the graphicly superior Killzone 2? That makes no sense. Why else would they give a mediocre game a 9?"

2 Year old engine - What kind of reason is that? UE is a 10 year old engine and I'm playing one of the best games this year Batman: AA that runs it. Don't even get me started on the Source engine which is still pumping out excellent games like Left 4 Dead.

5-6 hrs of gameplay - Everyones mileage will vary. I take my sweet time thru games so I doubt it will only take me 5-6 hrs. I paid $60 for Heavenly Sword and many complained that it was too short(5-6hrs) but I probably got more like 12-15 hours out of it. I felt it was fair and why I don't see a problem with ODST and HS didn't even have multiplayer.

Over used franchise - Again, an opinion and do I really have to mention franchises like Ratchet and Clank? Ratchet has had a game every year since the PS3 launched. It's the same platformer gameplay over and over but I still enjoy it.

and cut-paste level design... that is as good as Gears of War - The level design is different in ODST and that is why many are finding it appealing. It's a much more open area to explore than previous Halo games.

Killzone 2 is a looker and I really like the game but complaints I've heard about it are poor story, poor characters, does very little new things when it comes to FPS, poor controls. Multiplayer is good but it seems to have niche popularity and also problems with controls and character movement. Let me be clear that I love Killzone 2 this is only the complaints I've read about from others.

I'm not going to get into it about these reviews, they are just opinions but I can see why some are questioning them. I wish these people would take it up with Edge instead of crying here but what can you do.

[thereapersson]

This will be an amazing display of fanboy behavior.

*grabs popcorn*

[Pixel_Addict]

Behavior? There is nothing wrong with expressing opinion. Most people including myself, who are disappointed by such ridiculous reviews are not insulting people or using foul language. I'm speaking my mind. Don't like it? Then leave N4G, and if you live in America, you can leave America too.

[thereapersson]

Way to get your panties in a bunch, dude....

You know as well as I do that this place will turn into a sh1tstorm. It's purely entertaining above all else. Lighten up a bit.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

...got to Laugh!!! ;-D Good old Edge never fails to make me Laugh with their Scores. Let me see now, they will give Uncharted 2 a 7/10 then Forza 3 10/10 then R&C:ACiT 6/10 then L4D:2 10/10 then GT5 8/10...
See what i'm getting at??? They ARE xBots!!! ;-D

[trancefreak]

Thats how it works when your staff and gifts are financed by the greedy devil (M$)

[Dr_Nefarious]

What a bunch of f@gs (edge). This is un- f-ing believable. UC2 gets an 8 today and this game gets a 9. Goes to show you that people are paid off. x-bots, the world was a much better place with out them.

[jessupj]

And Res2 got a 6 and MGS4 got a 7 from these guys. Surely even you 360 fanboys can admit that's BS. How can they still be considered a credible source for metacritic? Please enlighten me.

[thereapersson]

It's always been known that EDGE has a soft-spot in their review repertoire for Halo. It doesn't matter the core content, because they'll eat it up.

Then again, when a formula is so solid to begin with, why mess with it?

[Pixel_Addict]

because, the core gameplay is too familiar, especially for a non Spartan character. Gameplay that hasn't changed one bit since 2001, is broken gameplay.

[DARK WITNESS]

well as a "360 fan" I can see why they gave Resistance a 6, yes i have played and finished it... , when they give MGS4 a 7.. then something does seem wrong, VERY WRONG ! As for Halo, I don't know what to make of all this, but I am getting the game and deciding for myself.

I love Halo ( but I have always said I was disappointed with halo 2 and 3's campaign ) So I really am interested to see how ODST plays out.

@ Pixel_Addict I respectfully disagree about the core gameplay not changing since 2001. On the surface to most people maybe they didn't notice it, but when you talk about Halo to Halo fans there are very clear supporters of Halo CE over halo 2 and 3 etc.. the reason for this is because there were changes. IMO there was not much of a change from halo 2 going to halo 3, but there was a very clear change from CE.

[Omega4]

Seems like its getting quite a lot of 9s from the big sites.

Just 1 day to go now

[The-Warranty]

lol It has only two 9s from big gaming sites.

[Omega4]

Oh quite right let me rephrase that, seems like its getting quite a lot of 9 and above scores from the big sites.

Didnt think some people would be so technical geez.

[The-Warranty]

I know you mean 9 and above but unless you are counting Planetxbox and Teamxbox ad sites like that it only has like 2 or 3 9s.

[Turn 10 Studios]

I think PS3 fanboys are angry coz PS3 in Last Place

[The-Warranty]

Yes your right being in last place absolutely kills us.

I remember I was playing inFamous the other day but then I turned the game off and started crying because I am in last place. =(

Moron.............

[N4PS3G]

Hey omega ..don't tell the warranty you saw this..*whispers* cus you know..there's only "2" lol

Edge-9
IGN-9
CVG-9
1UP-91
Videogamer-9
Gamepro-9
Eurogamer PT-9
G4TV-10

[Ravage27]

I wish Edge will stop reviewing PS3 games and just focus on their console of choice, people might actually start taking them seriously :/

It will be an mega-insult to ND if they give Uncharted2 a similar score, but hey it's Edge we are talking about here, it will get a 8 at most if lucky (their standard template for PS3 reviews is a fixed 7).

[cheapndirty]

That is how we know a site is biased, when its gives console A games a high score and console b games a low score. No other reason.

[I am Legend]

Bungie hasn't failed me. Their games kick ass...and this game will last me til Reach.
Firefight is gonna own. Co-Op campaign is gonna bring a lot of betrayals. It's finally almost here !!

[bunfighterii]

@ StanLee

While i agree with your inFamous comment, this is a content sparse game if you already have Halo 3 and all the maps.

Its a 4 hour mini-campaign, 3 new multiplayer maps, 2 new guns, and a new 'horde' mode. I don't argue that this isn't at all fun or a good game. But this is priced and I think therefore should be considered to be a full release game.

But my axe to grind with this game is that its reviewed as one of the 'must have' glorious games of '09, standing alongside games that have taken four years to make, millions more dollars, and which bring something completely different that we haven't seen before to the table, and this is just Halo 3 in a new locale. Same enemies, same weapons (bar 2), same physics, same graphics, same gameplay, same same same.

[mastiffchild]

Yeah, kind of my point. I just think it's a little much to give out 9/10 scores to a game that I've already got nearly half of and only adds a couple of maps , a very short SP and a Horde rip off.

IMO when the package is so padded out with old content the new stuff has to be much better than the original Halo3 to merit this kind of score when they ask the kind of price they ask for ODST. I'm looking forward to seeing for myself if, indeed the gameplay is actually superior to previous Halo games-if it is I'll doff my cap but right now I can't see the value and suspect it's something of a cash in as my experience of games where they feel they have to put in old content to bolster the package isn't particularly rosy.

Also I've noticed very little within the reviews I've read to distinguish between those with hig and those with lower scores which confuses me. Are we meant to think that even though reviewers almost all found the same faults with ODST that both ends of the score spectrum are justified? Maybe, as with Edge, (who have ALWAYS rebiewed Halo games very highly while being pretty harsh elsewhere)and in the western media it's only to be expected that Halo games will review high-there's got to be just as high a proportion of Halo fans asking to rebiew the game as there is in general just wanting to play it.

I am worried though, that Bungie and MS have taken us for a little ride over this one. It seems like a bit of a cash in from the comments in pretty much all the reviews and from the content of the game. However, though I suspect the 8.3ish average will prolly end up about right(certainly as they want full price for ODST)I'm also prepared to be amazed by this, and at it's length and with scores like this it needs to amaze, so we'll see.

I'm not caling Edge a biased site or anything here(though they have been way too harsh for hits over a few great games-ME and MGS4 on both sides of the console divide)and just think that, as with most western sites it's pretty likely that whoever reviews the Halo games is going to be a bit of a fan of the series-giveb the size of the franchise in the west it's pretty damn certain, imo. What it does do, imo, is leave the reviews and their scores looking a little hard to read as is always the case when those marking it low have the same pros and cons as those marking it high. It just makes judhing before buying/renting much more difficult.

[Liquid Ocelot]

Yikes this site really is infested with Sony fans.:(

I have an idea how about all of us 360 fans PM the mods about all the trolling Sony fans do as it seems the mods don't look at the comment section's much and try to get them to do a mass ban on Sony fans.

If we convince them to do that maybe this site will return to what it was like in 2007 which only had a small few of Sony fans here.

Who's with me?

[Dutch Boogie]

Dude obviously you weren't here back in 2006-2007. Years of 360 infested teens roamed rampant on N4G. It seems they have all fled to Gametrailers and IGN after being proven wrong on so may accounts.

If you don't like it here then i suggest you join them.

[Liquid Ocelot]

Actually i was and that's why i posted my other comment.

I want this site back in the hands of 360 fans as Sony fans are ruining this site :( it was so much better in 07 hardly any Sony fans around and lots of Sony bashing it was a great year.

But now it's news4Sonydroids.

[cyborg6971]

Yeah and it was way better in 2000 before the xbox was here and ms sucked the life out of gaming.

[Liquid_Ocelot]

pfft back to 07... why don't we go back way before 05 just to see if MS does something to fix the problems they they'll be confronting in the future(these days) thank you, come again

[Double Toasted]

If you're that butthurt, may I recommend KY-Jelly... ?

[Whoooop]

I'll say this again...

Halo fanatics are a weird bunch.

[The-Warranty]

Let them be. lol

[reckoner]

I agree. What is the point of bashing other games and consoles?

[gdguide]

It's sad when value has become recycling. If any other game had come out with their next game and used their old maps and only 3 new ones, added a 4-6 hour campaign, it would have been taken out to the back shed and shot.

Not sure how anyone can justify 3 new maps when Dark Corners DLC from Gears 2 offers 7 new maps, and we have the length and quality in DLC being shown in GTA4:TBoGT.

And yes. Heavenly Sword was always a rental for me. A game this short is a rental at best.

To bunfighterii: yeah. I can't imagine other developers being happy for Bungie with this. LOL. Imagine the sick amount of time that went into say Forza 3. This really sends the wrong message to developers with so many fans and some mags not blinking an eye at 3 new maps and a 4-6 hour campaign at $60 on an old engine.

[DARK WITNESS]

good points, well said.

[tuglu_pati]

You know what is sad? That almost all the people complaining about the game have a history of bashing anything X360 or even better people that has PS3 games avatars like you, don t you find that a little sad?

[aldesko]

I completely agree. I think very very few series would be able to pull this off.. I think Halo, GTA, and maybe GT, but that's it. If a "lesser series" like Red Faction tried to pull this, things wouldn't end well.

@tuglu_pati.. you know what else is sad? you obviously disagree with gdguide, but can't explain why.

[tuglu_pati]

@ aldesko

Its not that i cant its just that i wont waste my time.

[aaronisbla]

if you didnt want to waste ur time, you wouldn't have responded in the first place

[kerrak]

the lack of consistency in edge reviews is so freaking obvious that it hurts intelligence. it's the pinnacle of supposedly smart criticism but its bias stinks. anyone not seeing this is completely blind and i wont loose my time explaining why. edge please rename your mag to MSEdge or something and stop lying to MS fans.
As a Sony fan, interested in gaming in general who has absolutely nothing against 360 or much less its gamers and that can be critic towards it's own system (as well as other's) and games you INSULT me and many honest gamers.
Your credibility has reached a new all-time low.

[Chuck Norris KING]

chuck norris says
halo SD is a FLOP just like snorza 3 ..

[Ghostflight]

I actually predicted the score on an other Halo News page.

Edge: 9, -1 because it's an expansion. They think its a smart move because if they gave it a 10 they will look stupid(They realy wanted to even without playing it). Oh wait they already are Xbots Fans4lyf. They pretty much gave most PS3 exclusives an 8,(Killzone a 7 OMG below average makes them look stupid),6.

[Evoluti0n]

'Using words such as Xbots and Sony droids, or other words from the console war vocabulary, is strictly prohibited in this Zone.'

You belong in the open zone, how 'bout you remember that next time?

Thanks.

[Ghostflight]

Who actually buys their magazine? XBOTs?? They should start making an XBOX only magazine the way that they are doing things right now makes them look like Stupid Xbox fanboys.

[Ron_Burgundy]

and I have a few words to say

8 bit graphics in 2009 don't warrant a 9/10

[DigitalAnalog]

Now I predict a 8/10 for Uncharted 2 from this magazine.

*all bets on the table, ALL BETS ON THE TABLE 100:1

[SuperStrokey1123]

You see the only give 7's to ps3 exclusives, so you are being generous lol

[ngg12345]

That paragraph isn't a review. That is like the biggest lol paragraph I've read in years. Was as awesome as Gametrailers B&K nuts and bolts review where they kept on saying how it didn't play like the original games at least 10 times.

[dragonelite]

Just admit it ps 3 fanboys even a 6 would be to high for you guys.

Why cry over a game you wont play and enjoy. What if killzone 2 came out with a expansion pack in 2011 with 4 hour campaign(so long was killzone 2 campaign) from the Nazi looking enemy perspective has same graphics.
And cost like 60 dollars would you give it the same harsh treatment like you guys did to odst. Same graphics engine same length same environment.

Just let us halo fans enjoy odst shame it nothing for you but why bash it into the ground.

[ngg12345]

Basically edge had to say it plays like halo. How can it be bad? If it is halo it can't be bad. It is perfect halo. Nothing wrong with it. Reading this is as incrediblyh awesome as some of those terrible 6/10 reviews. They are both riddled with lol comments.

[SuperStrokey1123]

No i 6 would be too low, the game isnt bad. In fact its rather good. However, the way that edge handles its reviews and pretends to be something its not is what is driving the people here and around the net insane.

[TheMART]

EDGE are know as hard and harsh reviewers, so their 9 means gold.

And thats just gameplay PS3 droids. Halo: ODST kills Killzone 2 in the gameplay department. Just a pretty looking game doesn't make a great score for EDGE.

They are the most respected magazine, even with developers themselves. So you can cry all you want, ODST is gold. IGN, EDGE, the big ones agree, 9 out of 10 it is.

[DAVID BRENT]

edge need microsofts marketing clout its been proven as fact, do your research son, edge score microsofts exclusives nomatter how terrible with 9s and ps3s low as evidences proves,personally i couldnt care less about edge they are just a small part of the sorry and untrustworthy way dollars speak louder the honesty in the gaming industry, despite all this the game has still not hit AAA status on metacritic

but not all are corrupted.....ARSTECHINCA i salute your honesty

[Myzer]

Edge are only harsh games that don't involve bowing the xbox.

If it is a game that has any form originality or is not a copy/paste of previous xbox games it is automatically marked down.

[Man_of_the_year]

You tell Mart "do your research son" and state that "edge need microsofts marketing clout its been proven as fact" but you have no proof at all that your comments are truth or fact.

I can find you plenty of other sites that gave low scores for PS3 games and higher scores for 360 games. Is it all sites now are in the MS picket?

Where is your proof? Sites are opinionated with reviews. How can you proove that that site is biased if they can just say well that's their opinion. Where is the articles that proove that Sites like EDGE are in MS's pocket? Where are the cheques that are stamped, paid to EDGE from MS? Where is your PROOF?

You don't have any proof, you only have your opinion because you are upset that another HALO game is getting great reviews.

[ReviewsArePolitics]

Read my name. If anyone seriously thinks that "well respected" reviewers are honest, you are truly naïve. The fact that they rated this re-hash better than MGS4 and Killzone 2. I can't wait to see their Uncharted 2 review to see how their credibility goes from 0 to -3.

[El Botto]

We have Uncharted 2, you dont.
We have Demons Souls, you dont.
We have Killzone 2, you dont.
We have Infamous, you dont.
We have MLB the Show, you dont.
We have Ratchet, you dont.
We have Yakuza 3, you dont.
We have Tales of Vesperia superior version, you dont.
We have Star Ocean 4 superior version, you dont.
We have Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, you dont.

Haha you have Underwhelmo 3: DLC haha! hahahaa!!!

You bought a 360, haha!

[Etseix]

Man@

dude STFU and go back to ur other accounts cuz ur bubbles will get raped.
always trying to look smart, geez

[Man_of_the_year]

Another typical Droid with his typical Droid traits. its not about trying to look smart, its about being smart. Again instead of adding to the conversation, the droid in you attacks and calls names.

Why don't you STFU since not only do you show you have no idea about WTF you are talking about, you also have to call names to look tough over the internet rather than use your head to use common sense.

And when i do run out of bubbles, i WILL make a new account. I am not affraid. F you and the admins and the rest of the ignorant sony Fanboys droids on this site which includes yourself.

[Homicide]

"Edge are only harsh games that don't involve bowing the xbox. "

BS. They gave Mass Effect a 7. I'm sure there are more 360 games that along that line.

[Homicide]

They gave LBP a perfect 10 along with GOTY award. But keep thinking that they're biased towards MS if it helps you sleep at night.

[ps360master]

PS3 FANBOYS are so silly...ahahahah it make me laugh

they also make sony look bad.....

[Double Toasted]

most certainly. But the thing is, you got to look past the Sony fan boys and realize that Sony is a great company and the PS3 is a great console.

[2cents]

he is not far off from the truth.

If enough knob heads support the ps3 then it can affect its overall image.

Take cars for example, the audi tt was labeled as the hair dressers car, the porche was labelled the midlife crisis car, the bmw the poor mans merc and not to mention ferrari the wankers car.

If things continue the way they are the ps3 will be the douche bags console of choice

[reckoner]

It used to be where 360 fans were douches. Now it's the other way around.

[aaronisbla]

i don't agree with one being worse than the other, both are just as bad. i just hate when only one side gets called out as if the other are just plain innocent.

[Angry Moth]

normally i look down on those who accuse sites of being biased but the fact they edge can give killzone 2 a 7 and odst a 9 does seem very suspicious

[aldesko]

Burn the heretic!!!

[iistuii]

Great, bring it on......8's & 9's good reviews,............get over it.

[MrBuffalo]

Regards to edge bias. I didn't like MGS4. The cut scenes were overly long I wasn't buying the drama held within, it just seemed like konami was making a movie first, game second. Thats my oppinion and I think edge was about right giving it 7. I think MGS3 is the best in the series (in my oppinion). I would bet money that uncharted 2 gets a high score. If edge likes it or not. Not liking something doesn't mean bias it just means they didn't like it. It seems their are alot of fanbys that believe if something is liked people are biased. if it isn't they are biased. Sad, sad, sad, moronic losers. get outside and socialise, make friends get a girlfriend, anything because this obsession you have with a games console is seriously screwing you up. Put the controller down for a while and get a life. You make gaming look bad for the rest of us.

[Zechs34]

Yeah, everyone here calls each other fanboys and droids and whatever else, but nobody even talks about the games unless it s"OMGWTF ODST GOT 9.1 WTF GAYGAYGAY" or "Uncharted 2 MWAHAHAHA Best thing sinse sex with no condoms" (coming from a bunch of geek virgins, no doubt)I, myself am a VIDEOGAME fan. I have most systems every made to play what developers work so hard for us to enjoy. Yes, ODST was supposed to be an expansion, Microsoft wanted sales, ordered Bungie to make it retail, and they, being the great developers that they are, did what they were told by their publisher. They did that for us, the gamers, the fans, and supporters of their games and talent. Now, I have never been the biggest Halo fan, I am in the camp who believe that it was a simply great great shooter in a time where no others were available. As for Uncharted 2, the developers, Naughty Dog, are some of the most talented bunch around. Everyone, regardless of who you are, has to agree unless you are blinded by fanboy hate. Uncharted is regarded as a great game also, because like Halo before, it innovated the genre. They did not necessarily do anything new (remember how great Tomb Raider and Legacy of Kain were the first time around)but they made a game with great graphics, story, and gameplay when there were not even any in that genre/category. Again, I love my CONSOLES, I have grown up on videogames, I am 25, and have seriously been gaming since I was 5. I hate Microsoft as a company, I dislike most of Sony's practices, and Nintendo, while great, simply decides to always screw the people who got them to where they are. In closing, yes I have played ODST, I will not throw out a number, I am not payed for that. It is a good game and that is all that should be important to you guys no why or who. Uncharted looks great, and even if are not remotely interested, at least give the credit where its due, to the great developers who devote their living to make US happy.

[darkequitus]

Here Here!

[Viatrophy]

the conspiracy theories people on N4G come up with about review scores from certain websites, some are absolutely hilarious.

From what I've gathered over the past week or so; if a Microsoft game gets a good review score it instantly means that Microsoft has paid for that score however if a Sony game gets a good score it instantly means that it's genuinely the best thing since sliced bread and that website is now credible because of it. I'd like to see the 'fanboys' reaction if Eurogamer and EDGE gave Uncharted 2 10's, would that then mean the sites are in the good books again until the next Microsoft exclusive?

Has anyone hear ever actually thought about just because the game is using an old engine and doesn't do anything new, it is still a good game? It is possible y'know, if the things which are in the game are incredibly well done, it deserves a good score. Killzone 2 got a good score and that did nothing new but just looked incredible yet it still got good scores.

Also, might I add before the 'fanboys' come out in force, I'm not specifically talking about ODST, just an in general thing.

[Peter North]

All credibility lost.

[gravv]

mart kz2 91 and odst 85
the score speaks for itself which is the better game dont be stupid by just looking at the edge score, and i know you have kz2 u must be blind if u think 7 is an appropriate score as according to edge

[TheMailman]

I will translate the Hallo 3: ODST EDGE review bottom point: “So, because we know that you gamers are a bunch of brainless monkeys we will give this DLC a score of 9 so you can happily and orderly contribute for the major RIPOFF in the gaming industry off all time!!!!

Sincerely, if MS and Bungie can pull this off (sell a DLC for $ 60,00), this will be the con of the century in gaming industry and a very bad sign for the future… mark my words...

[MGOelite]

man i cant wait for their uncharted 2 review lols

[GiantEnemyCrab]

There has already been a few STELLAR reviews for Uncharted 2. But you will be hard pressed to find 360 fannies crying and whining and acting like crazy douchebags about it. Actually, the only whining I've seen is over some .5 score discrepancy, so even PS3 fanniess aren't happy even with that.

[PimpHandHappy]

but i find it funny at how many ppl are waiting min by min for metric to update

anything over a 80 (if you care) is a great buy for someone into the type of game.... Halo fans will be happy and thats all this game is... Its over priced fan service

[cmacdonald]

Edge confuses me.

[Myzer]

Gaming brought to you by the keystrokes Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V.

[Captain Tuttle]

I'm beginning to believe that Destructoid article about crazy PS3 fanboys. You guys are pissed off because a game on a console you probably don't even own got a decent review. I just read through the Gamer Zone comment section for the Uncharted 2 IGN review and there wasn't one 360 fanboy complaining. Just butthurt PS3 fanboys crying about the 1/2 point. You people are crazy.

[RadientFlux]

Fanboys in general are crazy, there just seems to more PS3 ones on N4G.

[SiteNblog Defender]

Was there any doubt?

[2cents]

and the sooner the better.

That should bring the temp down afew degrees. I do too much waiting on the PS3 and not enough hours free for gaming on the 360.
Hopefully when the majority of killer apps get released then this site will be a little more tolerable.

heres hoping

[reckoner]

Bravo, sir. I completely agree.

OH NO HALO GOT A GOOD SCORE.!!1 MUST BASH GAME I DON'T OWN!!

[aaronisbla]

fanboys are just bad in general, its not a console specific thing. There are more here of the ps3 type than others of late, but it doesn't make them worse.

[reckoner]

I guess you're right. I'm just used to the PS3 kind here.

[RAM MAGNUMS]

So halo odst is better than Killzone 2 ???

WTF ?

[RAM MAGNUMS]

Im crazy because according to edge Halo odst is better than killzone 2. WTF ?

Doesnt edge online have a responsibility to credibility?
i just dont get it.
if i were to just go buy reviews i would have never bought a ps3.
it must be a fulltime job downplaying ps3 and its exclusives. they better hope word doesnt get out that ps3 is $299.

[RadientFlux]

Personally I don't think Edge is going out of it's way to screw over the PS3 and it's really no surprise that they love the Halo series.

If you don't like how they review games, don't read their reviews. Just because they reviewed ODST higher than Killzone 2. Does it make you like or enjoy Killzone 2 any less?

Personally I liked Killzone 2 and most likely will only be renting ODST as I'm not a big fan of online gaming.

[FwanK]

They should release Halo Kart

Edge review - 11/10

[RAM MAGNUMS]

Heres edge online review of a full retail game for $60 dollars.
rated 7.

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News...

compare notes. play the games. determine for yourself.

[darkequitus]

Value, value value. The value standard for FPS games was set by onepackage and one package alone, The Orange box. Therefore by this log ic, any game that doesnot match is not worth $60.

The MW2 devs already said the campaign will not be long (has to be 20 hours + right?) so that game is a fail.

I think I will stay out of these conspiracy, bias, fanboy arguments. There is no win here. At best, if you don't agree with a certain group you will end up with one bubble

PS3/360/PC only ducking for cover

[TheMailman]

Hey people I just heard a rumor that Bungie will release, 2 quarter next year, a Halo 3: ODST Expansion Pack (new weapons: Rambo knife, and water balloons) retailed at cool price of 60 dollars. EDGE will give it a total score of 9,5 (9 for the Halo tag, and 0,5 for the really cool Rambo knife)

[xg-ei8ht]

omni_atlas

I'll agree.

As i've said before i have nothing against Halo3. Except for the hype, it even got out of hand regarding Killzone2 and a few other games.

But the scores from edge are very biased.

If you can't see that, i'm afraid your in need of bigger glasses.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

Unless you haven't purchased every map pack that came with H3.. I couldn't recommend paying $60 for ODST. If you haven't then I can see why the $60 would make sense. Firefight is DAMNED great fun if I do say so myself.

[rubixCubos]

Wait a minute, what did these chumps give Resistance 2 again (y'know, an actual full-game not 6 hours)?

Oh yeah, I think it was 7/10.

9/10 for an expansion? This confirms many things about Edge that we already knew.

[taylork37]

Compare a real game, not some half ass release title that is truly worthy of a 7/10.

MGS4 would be a better choice.

[kerrak]

For all those saying Edge is not biased: here are the cold numbers.

Exclusive full retail games on both ps3 and x360 amongst 100 best metacritic scores. Both consoles have 12 exclusives.
I will compare Metacritic average score with Edge score.

Games favoured by Edge (Edge > Metacritic by more than 5%):
360 3: Halo3, PGR3, HaloODST
PS3 1: LitlleBigPlanet

Games roughly same score Edge is somewhere between -5%/+5% Metacritic
PS3 2 : Motorstorm , Singstar
360 6 : PGR3, L4D, FableII, FM2, GeOW2, Crackdown

Games downscored by Edge (-15% to -5% of Metacritic score)
PS3 4 : Uncharted, R&C ToD, Motorstorm PR, MGS4
360 2 : TomClancy GRAW, GeOW

Games trashed by Edge (-25% to -15% of Metacritic score)
PS3 4 : Infamous, Valkyria Chronicles, Resistance, Killzone 2
360 1 : Mass Effect

Games despised by Edge (-35% to -25% of Metacritic score)
PS3 1 : Resistance 2
360 0

Adding all % differences to Metacritic, Ps3 gets -157%, 360 gets -33%, so on average PS3 gets -13,1% while 360 gets -2,7%.

Not only this, if you take a close look at what were the specific games downscored things are even more biased, as some ps3 platform defining heavy hitters are treated the worst.

So shut up all blind fanboys insulting others and open your eyes to what is the most clear bias in gaming journalism.

[ngg12345]

I think gamespot in terms of on % average is usually the most spot on site in terms of ps3 exclusives and xbox 360 exclusives. But gametrailers is bias toward ps3. And other sites are bias to ps3 (gamepro). People are complaining about edge, and destructoid because there numbers are just so horribly laughable and they also have stupid articles.

[Condemnedman]

I see the usual cry babies are about.
Like they have to buy the game!
Feck off and play killzone or resistance and stop worrying what other people are playing .
D@cks

[shysun]

I own a 360 and I cant see paying 60$ for 6 hours of game play and 3 new maps. I already payed for all of the other multi player maps. They knocked Warhawk for being 39.99 and no single player. But they give Bungie a pass for a single player game and a bunch of old maps for 60$! I dont get it. if the game was 30$ I'd jump it.

[taylork37]

Halo 3: ODST should not get a 9/10, I am an Halo "fanatic", and I can tell you it deserves a 7.5-8/10 at BEST.

BUT, you cannot tell me Resistance 2 is any better than a 7/10. I played the entire game and played all the co-op missions to go along with it, but is the same old sad FPS that just doesn't excite. Many of you say that this is the same problem with Halo games, but at least people still play them. At least the multiplayer gets 100,000 plus players everyday. ODST will only make this a bigger number.

MS can release things like this because people will actually buy them for that price. IF Resistance 2: ODST came out, you can bet it wouldn't even make the news let alone sell.

The same goes for KZ2... Same exact sad FPS with really good graphics (Gears of War with good graphics), but besides that, this game is very forgettable. The decent score that it got, pretty much fits.

But my overall point is, don't sit here and compare the Edge's review scores with other decent games that you very biased ps3 fanboys overate to something more than they are.

The Edge giving MGS4 a low score is valid argument, because that game is amazing.... THIS proves to me that Edge is a bad source. But don't tell me you can call Edge out on giving 2 truly decent games 2 truly decent scores, and then compare it with your biased opinion of the Halo series.

[Blow Out Your Brains]

Did they say fantastic enemy AI?? They must have forgotten to play Killzone 2, that is fantastic AI, next gen AI.

[Jdoki]

As I've said in many posts before I'm not the biggest Halo fan. The first game was pure awesome, second was pretty bad, third was a bit better (I'm talking about SP here)... and now we have ODST.

Because I'm on the fence about the series, to me the reviews are important in getting me to part with my hard earned cash. A lot are saying 9 - but when I look at the content, and the facts I just can't see how the scores add up.

Edge used to be a publication I subscribed to for many years. Their reviews (the text part) were normally spot on, and the scores were normally a little harsh.

But it just seems to me that Halo is getting a free pass. Edge mention 'splendid AI work', and yet from my own experience of Halo 3 I can say, in my opinion, the AI is no better, and in some cases worse than other FPS games I have played. Calling a 4 hour single player campaign 'the least flabby chapter of Halo's mythos' just seems like a cop-out for saying it's far too short. Not once do they mention value for money - if MS want me to part with £29.99, then I want a review to justify that if they give it a 9.

It seems a disappointing trend that certain games and IP's get a free pass. Grand Theft Auto is one, and Halo is fast becoming another. Everyone is entitled to say 'it's just a person's opinion', but Edge and other sites/mags employ people to review these games, and as such they should be applying certain criteria consistently and fairly across every game they review - that does not seem to be happening.

[weazel]

..and I think for my money thats the thing. Applying a definitive review criteria (Establishing the whole 1-10 ethos to justify 'middling' reviews), and then flouting it entitles a fair bit of analysis. As i've said in an earlier post, I honestly hoped that ODST would be a decent purchase, but to hold, what is essentially a multiplayer greatest hits and an extended demo, up as a paragon of excellence just smacks of emperors new clothes. To be fair, I think that people bringing up Uncharted2 just feel aggrieved over the developmental ethos behind both games. The closest comparison would be in the art world, where people STILL froth over the shi*e that people like Emin and Hirst churn out, and leave true innovators floundering. A good game is still a good game, but giving ODST a 9 just plain smacks of hypocrisy.

[CryofSilence]

Rumor confirmed: Edge are elitist bastards that try to disguise that they are Xbox fanboys. (They gave Killzone 2 and Infamous a 7.)

[3rik]

Not because of the score, which is a bit high. I would think a 7 would be better. It is pointless because I doubt these reviews will influence people getting the game or not. It is a Halo game. People have known if they were going to get the game or not a while ago.

[chidori666]

MARK MY WORS:

mothepucker edge give the uncharthed 2 7.0....

[d--keller]

Let's not forget that Edge gave Resistance 2 a 60 for failure to innovate!

[taylork37]

sounds accurate to me :-/

[lamigol]

I was surprised by the score and actually thought I would read the review,then I saw EDGE.....and laughed. Seriously, ps3 fanboys are not the losers here, its the 360 fanboys who will queue at midnight to pay money for this s**t and even upon realising that they have been lied to by EDGE, OXM etc... will convince themselves that its the greatest game EVER !! Happy gaming fellas.

[shysun]

WOW a 9 from edge?..... Must be a great game!?! 60$ for 6 hours and 3 new maps, sounds fair to me. /sarcasm

I was hoping Edge was going to keep it real....

[PISSIO]

Yeah, killflop -2 7

ODST is the definitive fps if this generation 9/10

It's True.

[tonywood24]

THIS COMES FROM A PS3 PERSON, HALO IS A GREAT FRANCHISE.
I used to hate, but after playing Halo 3, I had a change of heart. It's fun, REALLY FUN!

Now, to say which systems/games are better..it's all subjective. I used to get mad when going into Gamestop and having some smuck tell me how great 360 is and that PS3 has no games. It's cool though, everyone knows which current systems is "Real" next generation. But that's not good enough...360 is proving to be the best buy right now. (Yea, I have to admit it.) I give Bungie/MS credit for giving their fans what they want...HALO and GEARS. Now, if only Sony would have released God of War 2 on the PS3! Also, stop talking and bring out GOW 3 and GT5 already! I'm not going to hate on 360 for Halo, because people love it. PS3 fans act as if they have to play Halo......last time I checked, Halo is a Xbox 360 exclusive. I'm a Sony PS3 fan because this system best deliver what I want, as not only a gamer, but movie head. I don have a 360 Elite now, and I really like Halo 3. (I rented it, will buy ODST) The only games that I will have on my 360 are ODST and Modern Warfare 2. For me, 46 hours of campaign is all I need.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

+bubs for that. Being able to respect games on all platforms is sign of a true gamer. I was also a hardcore 360 fanboy here but got a PS3 when KZ2 launched and damn did I feel like a boob after seeing all it has to offer and the great games. I had some hate at Sony because of PS2 issues but I'm glad I gave them another chance.

[IQUITN4G]

If Edge had given this an 8/10 then i would have been worried how the game stacked up but they're pretty much spot on when it comes to FPS

Resistance1-2, Killzone2 for example are quite forgettable

I'd be suprised if Uncharted2 didn't get a 9/10 though as that looks very classy

[shysun]

They'll come up with some reason to give UC2 a 8.

[taylork37]

and when they give it a great score you are going to look like an ass

[shysun]

I doubt that, but if they do I'll be surprised. I just dont see eye to eye with edge any more.

[aaronisbla]

its going to be a 7 or an 8, i honestly dont see it getting more than that from them. If some sites were able to find faults ion the sneaking mission and music, for christ sakes, edge will find something more.

[I did not murder him]

Because this is the only 9 Halo got? Loser.

[hobokiller]

Ermm... you are comment # 27...

[GeoramA]

Edge is in M$'s pocket.

They give 7's to great full-length games like inFamous and Killzone 2, but a 9 to a freakin expansion pack?

What a joke.

[SiteNblog Defender]

Yes yes we know. The media is biased towards MS, MS paid them. / sarcasm

[IQUITN4G]

Halo Wars got a 7/10 though which is surely suprising considering how supposedly biased they

Bungie Halo is the best at what it does that's all

[eagle21]

Fu@# Edge. :)

[ico92]

suprise suprise

[taylork37]

If the situation was flipped, the PS3 supporters would aggressively agree with a 9/10 for ODST. I know that's not the situation but you have to wonder. Because Halo games are for 360 only, they can't believe that a big name site isn't paid off when they give these games a good review; games they refuse to give a chance to like(if they have even played at all).

There have been a few games ( KZ2, Resistance 2, Haze) that have been each labeled the "Halo Killer", that come out and clearly do not stack up(in my opinion and many others). Even though these games are sometimes over-hyped, it doesn't seem like you have nearly as many 360 fanboys that constantly bash these titles.

If Halo ODST was labeled as the "Uncharted Killer", I would expect to see this game get bashed, but that isn't the case. Since it isn't, I don't see why some of you cant accept the score that it got. Besides, you haven't even played it, and until you have all you have to go by are the reviews. And a lot these reviews have been saying that ODST is a good game.

[Jdoki]

I think you are generalising here. It's not all PS3 owners who are venting over the score.

I own a 360 and was on the fence about ODST. I'm confused by the review scores. I avoided the hype - I had no idea that the single player campaign, on Normal, could be beaten in 4 hours. It adds one multiplayer mode, It add 3 new maps, then just bundles up content most Halo fans would probably have bought (but only if they like the MP) That doesn't seem like a full price release to me.

This is high quality DLC at best - but MS packaging it up as a full release just smacks of milking Halo fans. If anything I would have thought that 360 owners would be up in arms about being charged such a high price for so little.

People try to paint this as black and white... 360 owners MUST be Halo fans, and so think ODST deserves the score, and PS3 fans MUST think every site that gives the game a high score is in MS' pocket.

But here's a news flash - some of us 360 owners think Halo is an 'OK' game series, so want some sort of justification to spend our money and so look to reviews for consistent and accurate reviews.

As other have pointed out; you get less in ODST than was delivered in GTA:Lost and Damned. Recently the PS3 got a DLC Wipeout expansion that adds more than ODST delivers. If anything, ODST is comparable to Ratchet and Clank: Quest for booty.

This is just as bad as the whole 'Horse armour' saga.

[aaronisbla]

but dont take that personally

[trancefreak]

THis is pure madness. Just 2 words Bull & Sh1t!!!

[PandemicPrawn0]

I can't believe some of the comments I'm reading here.

How can you people call yourself gamers, I just don't understand the hate for this game/franchise.

Halo is a terrific series, and ODST is the result of a lot of people's hard work and creativity and you ungrateful lot spit on it and look down on it as being unworthy of good reviews.

You sit at your keyboards and spew all this hate for a game you will never play, because why?

It's not on the PS3? Because it wasn't made by a Sony developer?

What the F#@% is the matter with you people!

Edit: @ everyone else

Sorry for the outburst but this fanboy rubbish really has gotten to be too much. I hope the more well balanced members of this site start to stand up to it.

[foreverflame]

Uncharted 2 is offically getting beat by sales adn score from an expansion pack,I can see the fear in ps3 eyes.the end is near for the portstation 3

[AsILayDying]

foreverflame wrote:
Uncharted 2 is offically getting beat by sales adn score from an expansion pack,I can see the fear in ps3 eyes.the end is near for the portstation 3.

I totally agree

[LTC]

an 85 on metacritic says otherwise.

[EpicGamerSwordsman]

Uncharted 2 is offically getting beat by sales adn score from an expansion pack,I can see the fear in ps3 eyes.the end is near for the portstation 3

Your retarded, Name a Score ODST Has gotten higher than UC2? Besides Theres no other Good Exclusives coming out on the 360 This Year. So all YOU have is nothing but more Halo, Also If you Judge games by Sales, An idiot like you must think wii fit is the best Game of all time.

[Bullseye]

feel compelled to start, what is after all, just my opinion, by stating for the record that I own both a 360 and a PS3.I'll tell you why, because only by owning both consoles and enjoying the games on offer on BOTH consoles can you truly appreciate how stupid some of the comments on this site,really are! Look, all reviews are subjective even when they try to be objective.It's the nature of humans to be imperfect So, in the end it comes down to who you think represents closest your point of view. Personally, Edge have always been pretty reliable for me, but for others, obviously not.You may give Uncharted2 10/10 and it still wouldn't appeal to me.Is this a crime? Isn't it great that we don't all like the same games or consoles or cars, houses,clothes,films........ Relax,it's just a game.Let it go! Stating the obvious? You would of thought so,wouldn't you?

[aaronisbla]

it proves nothing. Its possible to only own one system and not be biased and to appreciate the other system, as well as owning both systems and still being biased towards one. So next time you feel compelled to say it, don't cuz it means nothing

[glennc]

nothing anybody says on here means anything so why stop now? they might think it does...

[RAM MAGNUMS]

but i dont care... that sh!t is mine.

[NateDPG]

It's getting ridiculous with the 360 reviews, MS is fooling gamers with their bribing, reviews can't be trusted anymore.

[mirroredderorrim]

"Edge: It may be the shortest Halo game – it takes a little over six hours to finish on Heroic difficulty – but that time is spent in one of the richest and, most surprisingly, varied campaigns so far. And don’t place too much emphasis on that six hour figure. Thanks to Microsoft’s restrictive review process, we were forced to play with an eye fixed on finishing the campaign quickly – running from place to place without exploration, and passing checkpoints without taking time to defeat every enemy in an area."

LOL. I will assume this is not even a proper review, going by what Edge says.

[The Iron Sheik]

Sony please forbid these pseudo journalists from reviewing your products. It is obvious to anyone that isn't a mindless drooling xbot that this site only exsists to make 360 look good and PS3 look bad. These guys are the Fox News of gaming.

[jlouis]

Right as rain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[STICKzophrenic]

Awesome score for what is an awesome game. I'll be leaving in a few hours for the midnight release!!

*EDIT*

Some poor Sony only fan reported me for another post!!! I struck a nerve LMFAO.

[Evoluti0n]

Isn't anyone tired of complaining yet? Haven't we debated about debating the debatable for the past week nonstop?

I'll be playing the game tomorrow, and hopefully alot of you will be too.

'Nuff said.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Another fantastic review.

And all the crying fanboys is just icing on the cake. :)

[IQUITN4G]

Stupid ignorant comments wont stop this being enjoyed by millions of adoring fans

So what you don't get it, ignore it why don't you

Plenty of great games i don't like either but i have the sense to shut my moaning gob about them

[tudors]

.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Awesome score!! Looks like it will be well worth the $60 for those who actually own a 360 and plan on buying this.

[dkgshiz]

So no reason to read the review.

[Petebloodyonion]

Why Halo ODST got 9?
Simple! The same reasons why a Mario, Zelda, GTA, MSG always seem to get stellar review and GOTY.
Brand recognition.
PPL loves them, ppl wants to buy them and in the end it's good for the whole industry. We can argue all we want about how Uncharted 2 is way better (probably true) but last time I checked the average joe Doesn't know Jack about Uncharted 1, but sure know about MSG and HALO.

It should cost 40$?
Probably true but there's a thing called brand value and charging less then 60$ would send the msg to average Joe that this game is a B product and would hurt the whole value of the HALO brand.

Is it a expansion pack?
Does it require Halo 3 to play? NO!
Then it's not a expansion pack.
I will accept to review my position on the matter when ppl will claim that Madden2k10, NHL, Street fighter 4, SVR, Soul Calibur are expansions and should cost 40$.

Should I buy this game or should I buy the CHAM WOW?
I really don't have a answer for that one!

[glennc]

i love all the people commenting on this and have never played it. and then there is the comments from PS3 owners. this is hilarious. EDGE call it how they see it, if they cared what people think then they would be just like the rest of the reviews, giving scores to keep people happy.

PS3 owners seem to deny that they care about edge scores and then you read these comments.

it is like it is their lifes work to defend a damn games console, they are like religous fanatics. pushing their religon on everyone and believing there is one true console and why are you not buying it.

grow up, it's just a review for crying out loud

[rubixCubos]

Even the pathetically derivative and monotenous Halo Wars got excellent scores from the same usual suspects of gaming journalism.

Like what someone else said -

Halo Kart - 11/10 Edge

[HubbaBubba]

MAN I HATE SEEING TIPS TO A SKINNY STOMACH

[jlouis]

Come on xbox fan boys yawl need to protest they are giving you the same crap over and over again! You all are pulling up to the table and asking for seconds. As long as you act satisfied with the same S@$# the longer they are going to give it to you! Where's the originality where's the innovation. Don't give me that Natal crap either they made you guys believe that it's "more than just a camera" ? Come on take the red pill and see how far the rabbit whole goes!

[TheSmoothCriminal]

Attack a game when it dose okay.
- The Smooth Criminal-

[r4nger]

people care too much what reviewers have to say or what they rate a game as... its simply ridiculious. What makes a reviewer a reviewer other than the fact that he/she can write? NOTHING. stop taking the things these "reviewers" are saying as gospel. FFS i personally thaught that LBP was simply a boring 2.5D platformer with a pretty terrible editor, and that its only saving grace was Stephen Frys voice work. but thats simply MY review of it - the only difference is that my review isnt published on a website or magazine. Its always good to see people bickering over complete crap, but hey this is N4G - home of the retarded fanboys

[beardpapa]

on a side note, did you guys check out the ODST segment on fox news? ODST on the news!

[CherryLu-Chan]

Really really love it.

Fabulous atmosphere, the contrast between The Rookie's dark lonely adventure and the daytime bluster of Buck's [where the rather handy VISR can't be used] is striking.

I get the feeling the alledged 6 hours to get through the blighter doesn't include actually wanting to explore the thing.

Also, Marty's score is *sensational*. Again.

I'm definitely going to get my money's worth from this, really lost in the world - and much like I did with Resistance: Fall Of Man a few weeks back, i'll be playing it again after it's finished.

[Although with Uncharted 2 being as good as the critics are musing, I think i'll be firing that beauty up after this]

Great news for gaming that both PS3 and Xbox360 both have cracking games as the dark nights draw in and that whichever 'side' you're on, it doesn't spoil the game you're looking forward to because another system gets a belter as well.

Enjoy your games!