Microsoft Funds PS3 Game Development

Responding to the complaints of Xbox 360 Tales of Vesperia beta testers, a developer has laid bare the not so shocking truth of just how Namco was paid off by Microsoft to secure an "exclusive" release, but instead merely used the Xbox subsidy to reduce development costs on the PS3 version, which it expected to sell better.

However, Sony intervened and blackmailed them into adding massive amounts of new content if they wanted to be allowed to go ahead with the PS3 release at all…

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[-EvoAnubis-]

Interesting read, and goes back to what I said yesterday about feeling bad for 360 gamers.

To reiterate:

You know, this is making me feel bad for 360 gamers. I'm just thinking of how pissed I'd be to be playing a game that's good, but clearly needs work, but dealing with it, and then later on hearing about it coming out on another system with massive updates.

This isn't even the first time. Or the second, or even the third. It's a freaking trend. It kinda sucks for 360-only gamers (hell, even multiconsole owners, just to a lessor degree), but I don't see a way around it. All these additions to the PS3 version all centers around one thing: space. As in, the thing that the DVD9 format in the 360 doesn't have, but the PS3s Blu-Ray format has in spades.

As much as many of us have been saying this was going to happen, it sucks now to actually see it. 360 gamers are getting screwed, and it's only going to get worse from here

[IcyJoker187]

LMFAO

[MisterNiwa]

Its not our fault that they brag about their exclusives, and get this in the end.

I see no reason why i should feel sorry for a Xbox Owner, if his exclusive was soooo gooood, why do we always get the better updated version? :]

[kratos123]

However, Sony intervened and blackmailed them into adding massive amounts of new content if they wanted to be allowed to go ahead with the PS3 release at all… this is really smart busnisses i am really not getting how microsoft is makin a profit out of this gen.

[gamerdude11]

My BS detector is going off on this article. The unnamed/sourced "developer" basically writes like your typical fanboy. If it wasn't for the nude anime, I probably wouldn't have clicked the link.

[-EvoAnubis-]

Uh...he WAS sourced. Did you actually read the article?

Edit: here, I even did the work for you.

http://translate.google.com...

[raztad]

Extremely funny stuff in this article. Probably the same thing happened with NGS2, SO4. Most probably Gay Tony is funding Agent. LOL

It's incredible MS is supporting PS3 games. First funding and second beta testing them.

[Jamegohanssj5]

I heard that Sony has made it so that all 360 timed exclusives have to come with something extra if they want to release it on PS3 at all.

To kind of sort of back up my statement look at Bioshock, Tale of Ves, Alone in The Dark, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, etc. Just to name a few.

TGSI

[D4RkNIKON]

I agree, although you can still bite my shiny metal @**

[jut420]

I just think this is hilarious to be honest. 1-2 years later Microsoft is now paying for their greedyness of taking mulitplatform games away from Playstation. It serves them right in my opinion. Go out and acquire your own studios and make your own original IP's instead of funding third-party developers. Maybe MS will learn from this. Sony has ever right to demand extra content in the game. Sony knows gamers will feel like the PS3 will seem like a second rate console if PS3 is getting ports of 360 games a year to two later with little to no improvements. I'd do the same thing if I was in Sony's position.

[edgeofblade]

Learn what, jut420? That strategy is what put them where they are.

As an Xbox owner, I don't feel bad. I really don't care about what's exclusive and what's not. I have all 6 platforms (3 consoles, 2 handhelds, and a sweet PC). I play whatever I want.

I'm glad to see more gamers get access to games. I'm glad to see companies able to profit from multiplatform games. I'm glad to see continuing competition in the market.

But you have to recognize that Microsoft's and eventually Namco's money is theirs to do with as they please. Microsoft got what they wanted: limited exclusivity and the continuing image of being where the games hit first. I know the PS3 fans want to wave the flag everytime this happens... but allow me to resurrect the ugly side of this situation: waitstation.

[evrfighter]

It's interesting to see that ps3 fanboys believe that there is this huge rivalry between Sony and M$

like I've said countless times here already.

M$'s only rival is Apple. Sony makes windows laptops ffs.

[TotalPS3Fanboy]

And thank you 360 gamers, for beta testing the games for us

[cmrbe]

there is no one to blame but themselves.

I am amazed at how low x360 gamers standards are. Look i am sorry but thats the way i see it. Even with crap games like Lost planet it sold 2 million copies for crying out loud.

PS fans are accused of being whinny but the truth is we generally have very high standards and we don't settle for anything less which is why most of us make a big fuss if we see something that we don't like even if its something small. Thats the way its suppose to be. We are gamers and we demand the best. The gaming industry exists because of us. NOT the other way around.

My point is, x360 fans are easy targets because they have low standards. It is why devs and MS has been able to get away with so much crap. It is their fault for accepting it. I mean i talk to them about PROD and they say "Oh but the 3 year warrenty". I talk to them about MS needing to invest more in 1st and 2nd party and they say "Oh but its fine as is, it dosen't matter if exclsuive are 1,2, or 3rd party. I talk to them about paying for xbolive and they say "Oh but we love paying for xbolive!!" WTF??. It really does make me think that they are young gamers that don't know they deserve better.

There is no way in hell Sony would have gotten away with a 33% failure rate with PS fans. If it was PS fans Sony would have been in court and they would have fixed it a year ago but then thats PS fans. We don't accept crap.

[randomwiz]

who has the popcorn?

"M$'s only rival is Apple. Sony makes windows laptops ffs."

you are a fool to think that.
that logic and reasoning is childish.

Microsoft's biggest rival isn't just Apple. Microsoft faces Sony, Google(with Bing, email, OS for phones), etc

[blackpanther25]

i wasn't going to say anything in this article, but i saw your comment.........and i am so happy I am not the only who was disappointed with Lost Planet (i had it for the 360)

+bub

[Tony P]

I don't find it too funny at all.

But in the end MS is ultimately at fault. I'm not going to say there's a right way to do business here, but there's the way that worked wonders for Sony, Sega, and Nintendo for decades now which is a strong staff of, you guessed it, first-party studios. How hard would it have been to enlist some good Japanese talent to support 360 exclusively in Japan instead of just giving out cash for timed exclusivity?

@cmbre:

That's pretty inglorious of you to frame your bias as high class. It's anything but imo.

[PotNoodle]

Its a policy of Sony's that if a previous exclusive game to another system is coming over to the PS3 it MUST have a certain amount of extra content or it doesn't get approved.

It isn't blackmail, its just sony making sure their users get something for the wait.

[Darkeyes]

So... What's new in this??? I already knew M$ was paying for making PS3 games when RockStar announced Agent as a PS3 Exclusive... We all know Rock* got a hefty 50 million check from M$.. Guess where they invested the money in?????

[Zack Sawyer]

A massive generalization there but ok.

Playstation fans were totally screwed when it came to backwards compatibility this generation, thats not exactly Sony giving you the best.

I do feel as though Sony has brought out its 'A' game at the minute leaving MS struggling to bring anything big to the table. If the 360 is running out of steam already then i'm very disappointed. Where are all the big announcements like they used to have at E3?

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

"Microsoft (you won’t release it on other hardware for a year or similar), they will give you a lot of cash for development.

Their support is also very fast and complete in these cases.

SCE don’t really give much cash out (any at all perhaps). Their support is confused and unreliable. When I was doing it at least, the 360 was easier to develop for, which lowers costs."

Nobody wins! It seems like we are all looser this gen, both for the companies involved and the consumers.

[Parapraxis]

Zack "Playstation fans were totally screwed when it came to backwards compatibility this generation, thats not exactly Sony giving you the best."
Not really, Sony put out several SKUs with full BC and then a few more with partial.
If PS fans wanted BC they most likely already have a BC PS3 under their TVs right now (as I do)

[blackpanther25]

BC was around for a while anybody who really wanted it....got it when it came out. As a matter of fact my cousin bought a ps3 last year off of craigslist because he wanted BC.

It's not sony fualt that it was removed....not enough people cared for BC at that time (y everyone is complaining like babies now i don'k know). Sony removed it because people wanted a cheaper console and didn't care for BC so those people are to blame.

If you bought your PS3 after they removed BC then you and other people like you are directly responsible for Sony removing the feature. If there was a higher demand for PS3s before they removed BC then afterwards......then they would have brought it back immediately.Demand and Supply......

@Tony: Well that's how personally feel about the Whole BC thing. You can not lie....At that time people did not care for BC. They put it in there and people only wanted a price cut.....how else were they gonna lower the price? They had to remove features people didn't care about....just like how they removed installing a OS into the Slim (people don't care for it.....at least right now...not cause of money i might add). The price was lowered and the BC was removed and hardly anybody complained. I had the opportunity to buy a 40gb that had no BC but i decided not to what till the next day (launch day for non BC PS3s) and bought the 60gb

[Tony P]

I beg to differ.

Compared to last gen, Sony is not great with BC. As evidenced by the fact that typically only early adopters have the 'fabled' PS2 BC for PS3. That's far short of the full BC we've come to expect.

Of course, I'd be unfair to ignore MS which has had a pretty crap showing themselves in regards to BC. The end result is neither are really making any progress right now on that front.

@black: Honestly, I don't know how you blame everyone for not buying PS3 for the removal of BC. If that's true, what's the excuse now that PS3 has been selling stronger? I don't see Sony teasing BC in the slim or anything. I'm thinking it wasn't that cost effective in the first place. And that's hardly the consumer's fault.

[AntoineDcoolette]

If any of that article is true then big lol

[cmrbe]

Sony did a survey and most PS fans choose price over BC. Sony listened. Truth is apart from 3 PS2 games. I haven't played any PS2 games on the PS3 since 2008. Many PS3 gamers are in the same boat as me. Most of us hardcore PS3 gamers have BC anyways so no one really did complain. Its kinda nice to know that we have the best model anyways. Heck most of us paid double what new PS3 owners pay now.

@Tony. Believe it or not i do care for x360 gamers. We are all gamers in the end but i can't help but not feel anything for them for being easy. Its affect PS fans as well. If gamers don't put devs and console manufactures on their toes they will walk all over us. Thats reality. I have very high standards. Thats why most of my game collection are PS3 exclusives and why i never back down from an issue affecting me as a PS fan. If you think i am biased because of that then thats fine. Oh and its is x360 fans fault for allowing MS to get off so easily.

@Ashriel: Generally yes. Why do you think games like Orange box or Bioschsock didn't do well on the PS3?. Bring quality and PS fans will buy. Thats the way it suppose to be. Don't give PS fans some second rate BS. Sony and Namco understands this. Crap shouldn't sell.

[Ashriel]

@cmrbe, so you justify low sales with high standards? lool at your generalisations xD

I'm glad the majority of PS3 fans (and gamers, in general) are not as arrogant as you are.

[gaffyh]

@1.7 - Yea you are right, it is a requirement of Sony's for a late release on PS3 for a multiplatform game. Not blackmailing, just good sense really, why would you buy an old game over a year later?

On topic - I'm pretty sure EVERYONE expected this was happening, do you really think it cost Rockstar $25 million for each of the DLCs? Engine, graphics, audio was all pretty much done.

[coolirisGB]

"ll these additions to the PS3 version all centers around one thing: space. As in, the thing that the DVD9 format in the 360 doesn't have, but the PS3s Blu-Ray format has in spades."

LOL Devs have done this with old games late to one platform before Blu-ray and have done this for generations lol.

PS3's hardware is rubbish thats the so called "trend" hence the game will most likely not run as good with inferior graphics. They'll add new content to make an old game appealing on the other platform, I'm not going to say Blu-ray won't help. http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

Watch Lost Planet 2, Rage, Crysis 2 will show early day differences because of the advanced engines. Devs also add more content to late PS3 versions because the 360 pulls ahead no matter the lead platform and people need to know there is some value to buying old inferior games.

[RememberThe357]

You guys sound like tittle girls. cmrbe says the 360 owners basically have no standard, and you guys counter with "the PS3 doesn't have good BC"? You really need to do better then that.

To me it seems as thought yes PS gamers have higher standards. But saying PS gamers or 360 gamers is inherently general. So of course his comment is going to be generalized.

Besides this is about MS playing for PS3 development. Not general gamer standards.

[SWORDF1SH]

If people want to still play last gen ps2 games then they simply keep their ps2.

Whats the point in selling it on e-bay for next to nothing.

And you can use youre ps2 controllers on the ps3 with an adapter to save money on buying new controllers. You might as well use a last gen controllers if youre gonna play last gen games.

edit: @Zack. I said if you want to play ps2 games then keep you're ps2. if you dont then there's no worry for BC.

[Zack Sawyer]

Woah woah woah! Wait a minute here! What about all of these late PS3 adopters who had a PS2 and were waiting for the price cut & slim to jump to the next generation? Hardcore fans like yourselves may have been knowledgeable enough to go and get one of the early models with BC but what about all the casual gamers who were expecting it to come with the slim?

I have seen plenty of gamers on here and stories before the slim was released saying they wanted it to contain BC. When they dropped BC on the later larger models there were numerous stories of gamers complaining! If everybody is whining now its because all of the PS2 users buying slims thought like the PS2 it would have BC.

Obviously price would come before it but Sony cant do a survey on every single gamer out there now can they, so how did they know that nobody cared about BC anymore? Perhaps instead they thought they could provide enough with what is there now to make people forget about it. But in this regard I still believe they screwed us over.

And hang on, are you saying because you bought an earlier model with BC that you are superior to me? Now THAT is arrogance!

EDIT:@SWORDF1SH - True, I'm more than content playing the awesome games out now, but then I'm not everyone. Which is kinda what this whole arguement is about, people generalising.

[WenisWagon]

--2008--
Xbots: Haha we got this exclusive game for Xbox 360 !!!
PStards: Who cares the game is going to suck !!!

--2009--
PStards: Haha we are getting this game with more content its gonna rock !!!
Xbots: Who cares the game was bad !!!

What a bunch of chimps these fanboys are.

[gaffyh]

@1.28 - Show me one game that looks anywhere near as good as Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 and then you can talk about which hardware is crap. Blind fanboys.

@1.31 - The ONLY people that care about BC are Xbox fanboys, I've got the BC unit and don't even use the BC. I'm even getting GOW collection because it is improved even though I've played both games before.

The fact that you are bringing the BC issue up in this thread, kinda shows that you are a fanboy, so please STFU, we know you can't afford a PS3, but you really don't need to come here and cry about it, cry to your parents, maybe they'll by it for your 13th birthday.

[ultimolu]

Lol, yeah very true. All of my reasons for considering a 360 has been eliminated.

[Redempteur]

"what about all the casual gamers who were expecting it to come with the slim? "

casual gamers care about BC ? since when ?

[cmrbe]

I said i have the superior model NOT i am superior lol!.

The 60 gig launch model has been the superior model sofar. I don't think anyone can dispute that.

As for BC. Sony was loosing $200 plus on every unit sold. Everyone complained about the price. BC cost alot of money. Something had to go. Sony did a survey and PS fans said BC. What did you want Sony to do?.

[Zack Sawyer]

"The fact that you are bringing the BC issue up in this thread, kinda shows that you are a fanboy, so please STFU, we know you can't afford a PS3, but you really don't need to come here and cry about it, cry to your parents, maybe they'll by it for your 13th birthday"

Really now? Saying I dent have a PS3, that i'm crying about it to my parents because i'm a child? Is that how mature you are? When you can learn to have a discussion like an adult then I might respect you but otherwise, nope. Not like that would bother you because you obviously don't have the respect for other peoples opinions if they don't agree with you.

How am I to believe how old you are when you come out with that? You don't seem very adult to me. You could learn something from the other users above who have avoided using such comments.

EDIT:@cmbre - Lol, Yeah in all fairness I don't think any PS3 model is inferior given the choice to upgrade the hard drive. If I did look hard enough I probably could have found a BC model, but I can make do. My point was rather that from what you were originally saying about standards is that as a PS3 owner I shouldn't have to. But your right, just look at what cutting costs has done for Sony with all the units its shifting now! Hindsight does tell us that it was for the best.

[SWORDF1SH]

Forgive him bruv.

He just got confused by you stewy avatar.

Maybe he thought it was your pic.

[jetlian]

devs came out at the start of this gen saying ps3 cost 40% more to make games on. instead of spending all their on hand money they release 360 version and with the money generated on that make ps3 one.

to some thats good to others it bad. personally i'll take it sooner than later. a few extras isn't worth mentioning. unless i love it so much. ninja gaiden is one of maybe 3 series l'll do it for. but thats everything. wait a year for popular movies get a directors cut. i could have waited 4 years to get an elite for 300 vs the 400 i paid for a pro

[gamesR4fun]

this is why i always said ms should b funding first party devs like mad but nooooo
pay 50 mil for dlc and buying the other guys ips wth did u expect?

[Bereaver]

People need to stop whining about this!

It's called a timed exclusive! That's what happens!

I'm sure that when Microsoft took FF13 that some of it was paid for by Sony, somewhere. (although MS probably paid a hell of a lot to take it)

Anyway, if you want to talk about that stuff, you might as well start bringing up ninja gaiden sigma and sigma 2.

Really, now, then.

[gaffyh]

@1.36 - I do have respect for people's opinions but I do not have respect for a fanboys opinions, and my definition of a fanboy is someone that brings up completely irrelevant information up in every thread. For example if I brought up RROD in this thread, I'd be a fanboy right? You are doing the same thing as that bringing up the issue of BC.

Most of the fanboys on this site are 12 years old, apart from Bruce obviously, so I've found that it's best to speak to them at their own level. Rational debate never works with people who say stuff like, PS3 HAZ NO GAEMZ!!11! ZOMG etc.

But I apologise if you honestly care about BC and have a PS3, maybe it would have been wise for you to buy the console when it was released instead of waiting for a price drop. Let's face it, if you paid half the price for the console, then half the stuff has been removed. You get what you pay for obviously.

P.S. Family Guy is hilarious.

[Dacapn]

As far as BC goes, there's one big difference this time around. The PS2 is STILL here. After the PS2 was released the PS1 faded to black rather quickly (not xbox quick tho).

From a business standpoint, adding BC to the PS3 would be like shooting yourself in the face...with a cannon. The thing still sells consistently so it's better to let it die naturally, than to kill it off yourself.

Besides, the PS2 is $99.99. It's the same price as getting wi-fi for your 360! You want BC so bad? Go buy a PS2 you cheap bastard!

[Zack Sawyer]

Lol, yeah I suppose I could see where the confusion may come from.

I swear I have sometimes seen the Pope & Obama posting on this site, though that still doesnt mean I want to launch a personal attack against them no matter my allegiance or any ill feelings I may hold toward them.

The generalisations dont seem to just lie in gaming on the site, there are some very angry people behind these avatars!

@ gaffyh - dont worry about it, sometimes I just like to have a whinge every now and then, it feels good to vent sometimes though, believe me I could talk the legs off a donkey with the amount of stress I bottle up. Its not healthy. But yeah I wasnt worried about PS3 until Killzone 2 came out as I'm quite an avid FPS fan, it wasnt until then I thought about all my PS2 games and BC. But fair point it was off topic.

@cmbre - Good point about the casual/hardcore perspective on value. Even better point about the exclusives though, Sony has got some great devs to come up with these new IP's and the 360? Well Alan Wake is the only new one that I know of that interests me, obviously I still like the Halo's, Mass Effects and Fables but I just feel like I want something new and not have to wait until Natal.

[cmrbe]

No i am not saying you late PS3 owners are inferior lol!. No not at all. From a price and software point of view you guys are very lucky. PSN is much better now then at launch, Firmware is so mcuh more advance than it was originally was. You guys can just go out now and buy MGS4,U1,HS,KZ2,RC,R1,MS,VC etc etc NOW and at reduced price!!. We had to wait for all of these great games to come out and most of us had to pay top dollars for it.

However, You guys missed out on the Hardware. It dosen't really matter much now but still the 60 gig is the best model in terms of hardware because of 4 UPS ports, OS install, Card Reader slots, Full BC, multi voltage adapter etc etc. The way most of us early adopters saw it. Sony was selling us an amazing piece of tech at a fraction of its actual cost. Blu-ray players were 1500 back then. Sony was basically subsidising the cost lol! and most of us hardcore gamers/techie were more than happy.

It is offcourse different for the casuals. The casual PS fans only cares mostly about the price. They have a different opinion on value compare to hardcore gamers and why Sony was forced to adjust the price of the PS3 so early and why it is half price now. They keep on complaining about price and now is half price even though they know Sony are subsidising the cost of the PS3. That is the power of PS fans for you. They understand that gamers rule.

This is something that i observed is lacking in most x360 fans. They get time exclsuives, demos and DLC and they are happy with it. Even just a slightly better multi-plat game they are happy. WTF?. Why aren't they asking for real exclsuives like PS3 fans are getting on a regualr basis?. Its just weird.

[SWORDF1SH]

There are very angry people out there and it all stems from gaming. Something that we shouldn't be getting angry about.

The root of all this is directly from the companies, MS and Sony.

If they got along and showed respect to each other then it would filter down to the people that support them.

Not going to happen though.

Edit: @Zack, cmbre, gaffyh.
Good debate lads. Just shows you can have a mature debate on here.... sometimes... ok, rarely. Nice to see people actually listening to each other.

[Kassanova07]

Stringer

[Strikepackage Bravo]

or is this a little disturbing?

"SCE don’t really give much cash out (any at all perhaps). Their support is confused and unreliable. When I was doing it at least, the 360 was easier to develop for, which lowers costs."

[Dragun619]

Xbox360 Supposed exclusive
Lost Planet
Bioshock
Afraid of the Dark
Red Alert 3
Ninja Gaiden 2
Tales of Vesperia
Now Star Ocean IV: The Last Hope

I wonder whats next, Mass effect 2? Magna Carta 2?, GTA IV DLC?

[SiteNblog Defender]

"Lol, yeah very true. All of my reasons for considering a 360 has been eliminated. "

lol, you were never going to get a 360.

[jut420]

@edgeofblade

"Learn what, jut420? That strategy is what put them where they are.

As an Xbox owner, I don't feel bad. I really don't care about what's exclusive and what's not. I have all 6 platforms (3 consoles, 2 handhelds, and a sweet PC). I play whatever I want.

I'm glad to see more gamers get access to games. I'm glad to see companies able to profit from multiplatform games. I'm glad to see continuing competition in the market.

But you have to recognize that Microsoft's and eventually Namco's money is theirs to do with as they please. Microsoft got what they wanted: limited exclusivity and the continuing image of being where the games hit first. I know the PS3 fans want to wave the flag everytime this happens... but allow me to resurrect the ugly side of this situation: waitstation. "

Learn that spending their money on third-party games can come back to bite them in the arse later on. If you fund first party developers you basically own that company and any creative work that anyone in the company produces. Maybe next time Microsoft will pay for the company to keep the game forever exclusive instead of funding most of PS3 development because they are porting the code not starting from scratch and adding extra content and most likely fixing any bugs found after they passed their submission to Microsoft. Maybe they will learn to spend their money on things that benefit them in the long run instead of this. Who knows though they have enough money from Windows to throw a ton of dough at developers. I'm almost positive they wouldn't be happy to hear this news though. They probably just never thought about it this way when making the deal, but that is what seperates success from failure.

I'm not saying the 360 is a failure, because it obviously is not a complete (and I say complete because although their warranty is a great thing, they were basically forced to offer that kind of warranty to avoid lawsuits, but the main point I'm making is that their hardware failure percentage is pathetic. I haven't had mine fail on me but a reported 33% failure at one point well into it's lifecycle and multiple friends of mine having their 360's fail is enough proof that it's ridiculous) failure with 31 million consoles sold and Live is great as well. I own a 360, I had Ninja Gaiden 2, traded it in as soon as I heard of all the extra content was coming to the PS3. I loved NGS on PS3, which was the main reason I bought NG2 in the first place. I made a mistake in not waiting and have learned from it (because of my wallet!!:) )and am happy a year or more to wait for the extra content and improved game performance. So call it the waitstation all you want, I feel like an idiot for not waiting with all this extra content.

[Ausbo]

microsoft buys exclusives and they are called an "evil empire"
then sony blackmails companies by making them add content using the money from other publishers, and people bow down to sony.

[CrazzyMan]

Ausbo, you do undesrtand, that those ports come after 1 year???
Why PS3 owners should get SAME version and not improved one after 1 year???

Sony is doing a GREAT policy for a PS3 owners.

[andron]

But don't blame Sony and Namco, put it where it belongs, this is all MS fault.

MS doesn't care about gamers, they only wanted a precious exclusive to brag about.

Actually I give kudos to Sony for not taking any bull from Namco. Thats how you support your customers, us gamers...

[MNicholas]

what I've been saying for a long time ... that Microsoft has been bribing japanese developers to produce games that, if not for Microsoft's payments, would never have been made for the 360.

Despite all of Microsoft's payouts to secure games like Blue Dragon and others they have failed to meaningfully expand the appeal of the console outside of what the original Xbox achieved.

[solidt12]

NAMCO "Hey lets hurry up and put this 360 version out so we can complete the game".

[mfwahwah]

@Ausbo

MS prevents PS3 owners from playing a game for 1 year or longer.

SONY wants their fans to get a good deal, so they tell developers that to make a PROFIT off of THEIR system, they need to cater to THEIR fans. If SONY said, "Yeah, whatever. Release any crap you want," then I'd be one pissed off SONY fanboy. I would end up not buying any of those year late games, and instead buy more SONY 1st party games.

[lightningsax]

"(Site is NSFW)"

Wow, Sankaku Complex! I'm glad there's a site out there that requires the reader to put his/her job on the line in order to enjoy some super-authoritative journalism. Look out, Big Scary Media, here comes Sankaku!

But anyway... let's wait and see if we hear about this from a real source. One we can view in a public place. Then we can moan and groan about litigation like the great gamers that we are.

[Consoldtobots]

CoolIris says-"PS3's hardware is rubbish thats the so called "trend" hence the game will most likely not run as good with inferior graphics."

it's because of people like this that this console race has turned so vitriolic and a troll magnet. You're as much a gamer as I am Jesus Christ.

[Tobi-Is-A-Good-Boy]

While bots love beta testing games for PS3 owners.

-Suda 54.2

[Gabe EatsWell]

Wicked username and avatar!! Well done! :)

[Tobi-Is-A-Good-Boy]

Umm thanks. :) My username was supposed to be "Suda 54.2" but sadly special characters are not allowed. :-(

-Suda 54.2

[chidori666]

thanks more 1x bots for beta testers.. ;) ;)

[Gabe EatsWell]

Suda 54.2,

I hereby grant you your first +bubble that increases your resistance against the bots. :) :) :)

[DonCorneo]

wait, xbl cannot handle 256-players

LMAO!!1!

[N4G king]

BAHAHAHAHAHA

thanks suckers

maybe they need to change the title too
add this to it

" and the bots beta test the PS3 owners games "

[El Botto]

Because thats the price you pay for timed exclusivity.

See the 360 is absolute garbage and every developer knows this. They are NOT giving their franchises to the shiatbox (not even timed) for no FREE.

If they (Microsoft) are stupid enough to flaunt with greenbacks for timed exclusivity, than THATS THEIR FKING PROBLEM AND STUPIDITY!!!!

SUCKERS! HERE BE OWNAGES!

[PS3PCFTW]

another million xbots can be heard jumpin in front of a speeding train.

[InfectedDK]

Why are people so stupid that they still defend the 360? I don't get it..

[kagon01]

period...

[topdawg122]

Microsoft is already funding Agent, I wonder what PS3 exclusive they'll fund next?

[nightelfmohawk]

Bwah ha ha ha ha! So now we know that all "exclusives" on the 360 except for maybe Halo and Gears games will likely find their way to the PS3 after 1 year of release. And it's paid for by M$ and beta tested by bots.

[gamesR4fun]

where did all the bots go???

must all b on the 1up and gamespot forums now.

[Game13a13y]

guess we have a new name for the 360 now, Fund-box 3betatesty

[AliTheBrit]

Sorry but how exactly does the xbox 360 "beta test" games that later go on the PS3?

Go on, no really I could use a good laugh, tell me the logic or theory behind this, if you have one ;)

[Obama]

Imao, thx for beta-testing and funding the game for us M$. Also developers now know they can't make a profit making 360 exclusive rpg.

[Dutch Boogie]

Beta Testers wanted at M$ HQ lol.

"However, Sony intervened and blackmailed them into adding massive amounts of new content if they wanted to be allowed to go ahead with the PS3 release at all…"

I just love how Sony doesn't accept any crap on the ps3. Quality + quantity baby.

[cmrbe]

Sony are vets. I am glad they didn't just accept crap.

[Dutch Boogie]

Yep that's just the beauty of supporting Sony. You can always bank on the best.

[Dutch Boogie]

Beta Testers wanted at M$ head quarters.

[IcyJoker187]

Where would we be without the bots, thanks guys, make sure to tell us all the Bugs in Mass effect 2 :)

[cmrbe]

Sony Ninjas at work here.

[ultimolu]

They has ninja powas too. :o

[v1c1ous]

does this mean that microsoft is no longer the only company doing shady deals?

eh eh? :D

also, i doubt this is true cause this sounds like groundwork for a massive lawsuit.

[Parapraxis]

Nah XBOX 360 got Star Ocean: The Last Hope, this game is Star Ocean: The Last Hope International. Clearly not the same game at all. =)

lmao.

EDIT: Below, I highly doubt Sony demanded more content, rather the devs realize there has to be incentive in order to raise demand for a title that has been out for some time in Japan.

[Obama]

What shady deal do we have here aside from MS pulling out their checkbook? Sony demands more content for the port but they didn't pay Namco anything.

[PirateThom]

Sony demands more content because, otherwise, Namco (and other "late" devs) would just be porting a year old game to the PS3 and making the userbase pay full price for it.

If anything, that sounds like Sony's looking out for gamers by not paying for this crap.

[edgeofblade]

Money is the root of all evil, huh?

They earned their money. It's Microsoft's to do with as they please. You don't think Sony did the exact same thing by buying up first-party studios? It doesn't matter if the police commandeered your car or a joyrider stole it... regardless of your bias, your car is still gone...

[jjl]

Well said, why would a PS3 owner want to play the same game that was already released a year earlier on the Xbox360. Its not blackmail at all. It just helps with more sales for Sony, which benefits NamcoBandai anyways. Is it really that difficult to add on some things with the foundation completed?

[nolifeking]

All Sony did was make an ultimatum, and Namco accepted. It's a lot different than having a bucket load of money shoved in your face. Next thing I'll hear from you you is that R* shouldn't have used the 50mil to make The Agent.

[bunbun777]

Sorry --Pink Floyd makes a song -- money isnt the root of all evil----it is the love of money that is the root of all evil....love of money.

[v1c1ous]

pays money for game development in japan, with promise of 1 year exclusivity.

japan companies get funding for making a game and admit its easier to develop on 360. and you ps3 owners profit from all their work.

and you still want to insult MS with shady business comments?

[zoks310]

Too bad for them. You wont see too many 360 3rd party exclusive as much any more, and this is one of the reasons why Sony wont pay for exclusives from 3rd party developers.

Jump Out....

[Captain Tuttle]

That link is SO NSFW

Edit: You should at least edit the post and state that it's NSFW.

[Lucreto]

I know and I submitted the article.

The story about Japanese men abandoning women for Cats was interesting.

Too much anime porn.

[Godmars290]

Considering Sony helped to make the 360.

Pity MS didn't put it together right...

[Double Toasted]

And people treat MS like the devil, ha. Look in the mirror YOU SUCK!!!!

Edit: Down below...is that all you got? Don't make me laugh...

[Dutch Boogie]

boo hoo hoo, where's my mommy?

Edit: @ above

Nar that's just what i interpreted from your nerd rant.

[Parapraxis]

What devs dislike Sony aside from Valve (specifically Gabe Newell)?
Just curious.

I think I may have to get this game for the laughs.

[Godmars290]

Even if Kojima hates the 360, you've never heard him say it.

There's a team other than his that he's jealous of because they've got a bigger budget, but you still don't him directly dissing the 360.

[Sunny_D]

Lol, sooner or later Rockstar are going to come out and admit that the 50 million dollar GTA4 DLC was to help fund AGENT for the PLAYSTATION 3! Well, we have to thank the bots who went through hell to beta test out games. So, THANK YOU BOTS!

[USEYOURFIST]

LOL

[A_Little_Girl]

* Full voice acting
* Tie-ins with Tales of Vesperia: The First Strike[8]
* New playable character (Patty Fleur)
* Flynn as a fully customizable, playable character
* Repede and Flynn as selectable on-screen avatars
* New mini-games (Racing mini-game for Repede)
* New cutscenes
* New subplots
* New main game quests
* New sidequests
* New songs
* New towns
* Remodeled towns
* New dungeons
* New bosses (including the Sword Dancer, Don Whitehorse, and Clint/Tison/Nan)
* Boss fight replays at Nam Cobanda Isle (in an area called the Door of Memories)
* New Overlimit Levels up to 8[14]
* New Hi Ougi/Mystic Artes (including a dual Mystic Arte with Yuri and Flynn)
* New Artes
* New Skills
* New Equipment
* A Key Item known as the "Artes Ball," which allows characters to assign up to 8 Artes to the left stick, and 8 Arte Shortcuts to the right stick for a new maximum of 16 Artes.
* New Costumes (Including costumes based on other Tales characters and Sgt. Frog[15])
* New Skits
* A scene-skip feature
* Added Team Arena
* Connectivity with Tales of VS[16]
* Pre-Order Bonus (Abyss character costumes for Yuri, Flynn, and Estelle)

[Sunny_D]

That's a big upgrade! Glad Sony won't accept the same crap and make games better for us.

[v1c1ous]

i'm sure it was sony who demanded it, and not the norm in the industry to update games released later.

[A_Little_Girl]

who disagree with me, i got that from wikipedia. u dumbass

[Parapraxis]

Really Viscous?
Funny there was never any claims by any of the devs of the following games which recieved upgrades claiming "Sony demanded it"

Bioshock
Lost Planet
Oblivion
Tales of Vesperia
Ninja Gaiden
Ninja Gaiden 2
Eternal Sonata

You are talking out your a55 as usual.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

vic1ous was being sarcastic

[Godmars290]

Since when has release a major title on multiple platforms months and years apart been the norm?

[solidjun5]

with vic1ous...yea, he likes to do that.

[MajestieBeast]

Well yeah what would you do if your game bombed cause the demographic of the console is 12 year olds that love twitchy shooters. Sony doesn't want half assed products on there console and who can blame them the fans want quality, you would never see Sony release gears 2 with all the bugs it had when it released thats just how it is every ps3 game has a amazing amount of polish. So now ps3 owners get the full game while 360 owners were beta testing for bugs thank you 360owners.

[mfwahwah]

What about Lair and Haze, for example?

I mean, I know what you mean, but SONY isn't perfect. Everybody makes mistakes. I'm a huge SONY fanboy, but I won't turn a blind eye just to talk crap about MS.

[Sunny_D]

Is it just me or are there alot of positive PS3 news lately? Meanwhile, bots are missing especially THEMART. HAHA, probably sucking his thumb.

[Sunny_D]

The same thing is happening with AGENT. The 50 million dollar deal for GTA4 DLC is going to fund the development of the game exclusively for the PLAYSTATION3!

[Double Toasted]

Sony fans only buy Blu-ray movies, not games...I doubt if this game will sell over 100,000.

Edit: Down below...am I wrong?
Edit 2: How is it off topic? I doubt if this game will sell more than 100,000...

[Dutch Boogie]

boo hoo hoo, mommy why are you ignoring me?

[Sunny_D]

Now that is just too fanboyish and off topic. Stop being BUTT HURT.

[Optical_Matrix]

funnily enough I have 11 great PS3 games and 1 great Blu-Ray film so you're stupid equation fails.

[Parapraxis]

I was gonna say how many games and BD movies I have then said, nah...why bother.
I'm just happy knowing I can enjoy BOTH =D!!!!

[Obama]

Funny you brought up sales since one of the main reasons they decide to port is that the game sold absolutely crap on the 360. It sold almost 2 times less than VC; that's how bad the sales is.

[gamingisnotacrime]

if that is true either the 360 owners are not interested or the game is pure crap

Either way, good to see PS3 owners receiving more games

[Parapraxis]

Actually the game has pretty good reviews, it looks like it's at least worth trying out.
This is pretty funny, check it, there are already 3 reviews up on N4G listed for PS3 & 360
http://www.n4g.com/ps3/game...

SO:IV has a more varied score.
But the more RPGs on PS3 the better IMO, my list that has been basically empty for the last 2 years is starting to look pretty damn good.
Demon's Souls, SO:IV, TOV, 3D DOT Game Heroes, FFXIII & Versus

EDIT: Oh yes Triple Toasted, panther shouldn't make broad statements without proof right.
"I doubt if this game will sell over 100,000. "
Foolish statements like THAT?^

You want proof that JRPGS don't sell well on 360, a quick google search yields your answer, just so you know TOV sold only 390 000 globally. Star Ocean 4 sold 530 000 globally, the last Star Ocean game on PS2 sold 1 270 000.

White Knight Chronicles has sold 350 000 in Japan alone
Demon's Souls has sold 130 000 in Japan alone.
See a trend?

[blackpanther25]

It's obvious 360 owners aren't into JRPGs.

I mean FFXIII was announced as a exclusive for the PS3 at first. Everybody knows FF series is like the king of JRPGs, so they would have bought a PS3 expecting a lot of JRPG titles. I have a lot of 360 owners as friends and when I told them i wanted a PS3 because of JRPGs they laughed at me and said JRPGs sucked especially the whole Final Fantasy series.

I said it a long time ago that JRPGs wouldn't sell well on the 360. Now we see a huge influx of so-called "Only on Xbox" titles move to the ps3 due to low amount of sales.

[Double Toasted]

were is your proof. Thats the problem with people like you. You make these broad statements without any evidence....

Edit: What I've seen is that they both sold around the same, a little over 500,000. I like Obama, don't tarnish his name with me by lying...

[SoapShoes]

You are such a hypocrite, if you want him to provide proof you had better come up with your own first.

[Obama]

Proof? Go check the sales data for both games - problem solved.

[blackpanther25]

it's funny because Valkyria Chronicles is not a typical JRPG its a Stratergy JRPG (and we all know how that genre doesn't sell big numbers) and it sill made over 500,000 in sold copies with 200,000+ both the US and Japan: http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

While Tales of Versperia only made 390,000+ in total games sold with 100,00+ in both US and Japan: http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

Like PARA said "White Knight Chronicles has sold 350 000 in Japan alone" and thats a new IP unlike the Tales of Series which has been around for years.

[Aquarius]

Edit: How ironic it is to get a disagree. Pffft...

Whoever disagreed must be a bot because they know what exactly I'm saying. SONY has already started labelling games as "ONLY ON PLAYSTATION" and that's exactly what you'll see on the boxart.

[K-man00]

they will be testing SCC.

[Sunny_D]

I really do believe Splinter Cell will come out on Ps3 at some point. Like ToV, Microsoft will be funding the Ps3 version when it comes out. Besides, one of the developers did say that Splinter Cell was doable on PS3(hint hint), but just a business deal.(hint hint)

[Optical_Matrix]

What goes around comes around.
Anyone saying Sony are pricks for demanding extra content are blind and delusional. They have every right to ask for extra content and say that they will not sell the game for PS3 if this doesn't happen. Why?
Because Namco shouldn't have been so greedy and swift to grab MS check, and ignore the fanbase that actually wanted the game in the first place.
So Sony say they want Namco to make up for it by delivering loads of new content. The game wouldn't sell that well if this wasn't the case as there would be no incentive to buy it anymore after it being a year old.
MS and to some degree, Namco are the enemies here. Not Sony.

[Grandreaper9999]

It seems Sony is seeking a form of compensation as well as added incentives for the sales. They should do this more often if re-releases of 360 games on PS3 becomes a trend. They should be saying: "For a considerable sales boost and re-releasing of your game, why not just make the game, and then some. It's already paid for anyway!"

[Zack Sawyer]

FIRST the government takes my hard earned money giving it to kids and lay-abouts! THEN my girlfriend takes more for "necessities" and now this happens!! I might as well just start giving money straight to the devil!!

[Parapraxis]

Well, in that case consider me the devil.
I'll PM you my PayPal details ASAP!
;)

[Chubear]

... your hand is not your girl friend, stop it.

[blackpanther25]

OMG stop you are making my mouth hurt lol.......u've been on a roll this whole thread =bub man

[MajestieBeast]

Ye cause we buy more then 1 game what does 360 have this year halo wars odst and forza 3 yeah thats a big exclusive list. So now games that sell a million are flops cause it didn't sell as much as generic space marine shooter great logic.

[OmegaSlayer]

I write only to show my avatar. LOL

[Sunny_D]

LOL, CLASSIC! Bubbles!

[54percent]

love it!

[sunil]

funny - bubbles for you :)

[cmrbe]

Betabox,Betabox,Betabox,Betabo x,Betabox,Betabox,Betabox,Betab ox,Betabox,Betabox,Betabox,Beta box,Betabox,Betabox,Betabox,Bet abox,Betabox

Thanks for the beta Bots.

[Sunny_D]

What was that you said? Did you say Bots need KY jelly?

[firetaw]

grab a check, sell less. dont grab the check and sell more...if anything devellopers were blindsighted by the xbox 360 sales at the time and ignored on what console the fan base was on. petition please. how many xbox 360 owners want to play rpgs vs ps3 owners.

better luck next time?

[corywebb93]

Am sick to my stomach

I cant belive sony blackmail a respectable company like namco sony probaly put a gun to namco head and did this

this should be a important experience for the companys watching this dont do buisness with sony they will get you hooked on drugs and sell cigaretes to your children

People that still support sony after reading this are chikenheads plain and simple

[N4G king]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Berserk1]

Tales of Vesperia (PS3Slim) Commercial
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

AND

PS3 version OF Star Ocean: The Last Hope International PICS

http://www.imagebam.com/ima...
http://www.imagebam.com/ima...
http://www.imagebam.com/ima...
http://www.imagebam.com/ima...

AND

PS3 EXCLUSIVE Nier Replicant PIC:-
http://www.imagebam.com/ima...

AND

PS3 EXCLUSIVE IN JAPAN AND THE HD version OF FINAL FANTASY XIII:-
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

HAVE NICE DAY BOT
http://i27.tinypic.com/24go...

[Optical_Matrix]

So it's ok for MS to bribe devs into making a multiplat game timed exclusive yet it's not ok for Sony, after getting shafted by MS and Namco, to demand extra content to give their installbase more incentive to buy the game which is only good news for Namco Bandai.
Xbots are getting dumber by the day.

[Aquarius]

Microsoft is so disgusting
Am sick to my stomach

I cant belive Microsoft removed a black person and replaced it with a white person. dis-respectable company. MICROSOFTS ARE RACISTS!

Fixed*

"sony they will get you hooked on drugs and sell cigaretes to your children"

WTF has ^^^^ got to do with anything. evidence please.

OMG I hope you are a boy because if you have children they might end up going into care with the way your acting. SENILE.

P.s. Everyone commence OPERATION Bubbles to remove corywebb93 from this site. MOVE OUT!

[skip2mylou]

like u a fanboy should be talking i just read through all of your sh!t comments and they are all against sony and you support microsoft

[HDgamer]

I'm calling BS.

[mfwahwah]

Why? I'd like an argument since I think this ISN'T BS, but if it is, and you have some good knowledge on the subject, then I'd like to be informed so I can make my own decision better.

I mean, every single thing in that article made perfect sense to me.

MS pays to get an exclusive game. Happens all the time.

360 is easier to code for (It's not something new like CELL, it's /basically/ old tech), so the companies use that check from MS to help fund the PS3 version of the game one year later.

Then SONY says, "We don't want our fans and customers paying full price for a year old game. Either make this worth our fans' money or go and make a new game or something."

Sounds completely legitimate to me, but I'm willing to hear your side of the story.

[Double Toasted]

Sony can just rely on their first party stuff because I don't see Sony gaining back any real 3rd party support if the industry catches wind of this happening. The PS3 has been on thin ice anyway...

[Parapraxis]

By thin ice you mean, ready to break through right?

I mean, that's the ONLY way your analogy would make any damn sense.

EDIT: What 3rd party support does Sony need to gain "back"? They receive just as much 3rd party games as MS, and on top of that plenty of 2nd and 1st party games.
I really think you should change your name to triple toasted because you sir, are truly fried.

[Double Toasted]

Sony SAYS it is making money on the PS3...

Edit: I'm still waiting for that article, it will validate the sense I'm making...

Edit 2: More 3rd party support than MS? Is that what you just said? Smack yourself in the face...lol.

Edit 3: I see you're rather quick with that edit button, but I'm not going to waste any more time with you especially if you're not going to bring anything worth debating about to the table.

Edit 4: You just proved my point with that article, which is one concerning Sony losing money on the Slims also. The overall hardware sales for Sony, which is not limited to the PS3 is profitable, but the PS3 alone loses money. I know how to read so you probably should hunt for a better article...

[Parapraxis]

http://www.thetechherald.co...

[[[[ BEGIN QUOTE ]]]]
Kaz Hirai
“If you’re talking about the hardware alone, the quick answer is yes,” commented Hirai when quizzed as to the chance of the PlayStation 3 still failing to turn a profit.

“That makes good headlines,” he added, “but I don’t actually know that that’s the true nature of the business that we’re all in, whether it’s PlayStation, Xbox or the Wii.”

Hirai was keen to point out that profit assessment was best evaluated when viewing Sony’s business as a whole, and asking if the company is profitable in terms of hardware, software and peripherals combined.

“And the answer to that question is yes on a gross profit level since the last fiscal year,” trumpeted the Sony boss.
[[[[ END QUOTE ]]]]

It's not all HW, PS1, PS2 were both in the red for hardware before going into the black on HW profit.
Anyhow, you comprendo now sonny?

EDIT: Last time I checked "...gross profit...", meant profit.
And articles from 2006? haha wow, you ARE desperate.
Quit while you still have some dignity..k?

[fallingdove]

Making money on the console itself, or the PS3 as a whole?

Only nintendo makes money on their console. Thats not how this industry works. But here is your article:

http://technology.timesonli...

[fallingdove]

@Parapraxis - I was a bit late I suppose. I wanted to feed the troll his poison.

[Double Toasted]

http://arstechnica.com/gami...

last time I checked "...in the black..." meant profit.

Edit: That was on purpose, 2006, what do you think they're doing now? Pffftttt....

[Persistantthug]

For breaking out an article from 3 years ago in the hopes of it being relevant in late 2009.

[Grandreaper9999]

Good things come to those who wait I guess. MS has been extremely reckless and hasty this generation, on all fronts.

I think if there are any more timed exclusive deals in the works, it should be known that one version is coming out earlier, and the other later, with enhanced content. It would be a good way to not piss off all the single console owners, and also the fans of the series that are being released this way. Letting people KNOW what's going on would be great!

I also read an article today on here about who has been losing the most exclusives, and I was quite surprised to see how many titles MS actually lost, despite their constant exclusivity dealings. And heck.. I thought the PS3 had no games? Or no good games, that is. I guess that's what happens when you don't invest in your own IP's....

[Berserk1]

@Suda 54pt2
@Gabe EatsWell
@suunyd
@cmrbe
@OmegaSlayer
@Aquarius
@IcyJoker187
@Dutch Boogie
@Obama
@DonCorneo
@helghan666
@N4G king
@Optical_Matrix
LINK: http://news.vgchartz.com/ne...

[Aquarius]

cool. I only watched the cartoon Gundam. LOVED IT :) Ahhh, memories. Dis-like the games though.

[Raoh]

don't feel bad for 360 owners..

well yes i do but this is what happens when you support microsofts business practices. they pushed for a rushed game and asked for timed exclusivity..

it's like the 360 release.. ibm told MS that chip was slightly flawed.. MS said they didnt care they would deal with it later..

looks like its the same thing with game releases..

[OmegaSlayer]

For all the guys that still continue with the waitstation stuff...

I work, I earn quite well to buy a quantity of games that is higher than average, but there's too many GOOD games coming out on PS3 that I don't have neither the money nor the time to buy and play them all.

So I don't care about playing a game day one, I care about playing a GOOD game, even if that mean 2 years after the 360 owners play it.

Time doesn't affect games and fun and the retrogaming phenomenon just proves it.

[pippoppow]

Supposedly Alan Wake is supposed to be a true 360 exclusive. Who really believes that. Not sure of any other supposed true exclusive games coming out for the 360 but if it's from a 3rd party the chance of the game moving on to another platform is pretty high. Too many examples this gen of once 360 games showing up with improvement at a later date on the PS3. People are starting to realize that the 360 has inferior hardware, a low number of true exclusives that stay exclusive and XBL fees are unwarranted.

[KillerPwned]

wow this is funny never thought id see this happening.

[Dawn_Of_Ashes]

@Jamegohanssj5
I heard that Sony has made it so that all 360 timed exclusives have to come with something extra if they want to release it on PS3 at all.

To kind of sort of back up my statement look at Bioshock, Tale of Ves, Alone in The Dark, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, etc. Just to name a few.

-

Well, actually Alone In The Dark wasnt really a timed exclusive to the xbox360 (correct me if im wrong) but they just chose to release the game on 360 first because they had hard time with the ps3
And they decided by the same time to put more stuff on

[Optical_Matrix]

Namco are the real ones to blame. Quite frankly, they shouldn't have acted like such filthy prostitutes to begin with. Sony wouldn't have made the demands otherwise.
This should teach them not to get into bed with MS so quickly at the first sign of a paycheck. They did it once with Eternal Sonata, and now with Tales of Vesperia. You would hope that they've learned the error in their ways now but expect another sh!tstorm of a similar nature to be cooked up come TGS next week by the same dev team.

[Obama]

Double Toasted is butt hurt; someone hand him a tissue.

[xc7x]

.

[PimpHandHappy]

360 gamers fund PS3 game development? They are paying a monthly fee just to play online and buying multiple 360's

lol

Thanks MS

[Dead_Cell]

Basically SONY are saying "treat us as second fiddle and we will do the same".

[Thoreau]

the 360 dev cost was low, but namco was unable to recover the low dev cost due to low sales. hmmmm. interesting.

[deshon09]

that was nice lol

[dragonyght]

i guess we should be thanksfull to xbox360 suckers who paid $60 beta for aiding funding ps3 development

[keysy420]

you can go down the line with this one their is alot of these games bio shock ninja gaiden 1 and 2 there is tons. what are you gonna do not make it for xbox then you have to pay for the full game on ps3. better to just get the money form m$ and then just make your dream game on ps3.

[J@D]

Controversial headliner indeed. But the read was interesting :)

[Relientk77]

Sony win

[SWORDF1SH]

deleted ****wrong place

[Karum]

lol that's actually pretty funny if that's how some devs are working

[nightelfmohawk]

Like milk at the store. XD

[patterson]

lol good one xD

bubs for that.

[air1]

lmfao

yea that was a good one..

but damn that was fvcked up. that was like a punch square on the nose..

havent bought a namco game in a really long time or at least none that i can remember. looks like i will never ever buy another namco game, i dont support sh!t like that i dont care if it would of been the other way around..

[JonnyBigBoss]

I find this moderately funny. Microsoft has gone with the tactic of securing timed exclusives, while Sony has gone to great lengths to secure a few of their third-party developers, and more importantly new AAA IPs. I'd much rather wait for a more complete product than play it sooner, and also get some terrific AAA to top it off.

[mfwahwah]

Agreed.

My years as a gamer have taught me to be patient more than anything else. I don't care if I have to wait and go through comments that say "waitstation" and "delaystation."

I've been dealing with this stuff since I was a kid, and I never complain. I hate the people who grew up with an xbox and Halo as their first foray into gaming. They talk SO much crap,yet they're spoiled with quick releases, while I'm spoiled with quality releases.

[poeo]

not very surprising.

i have to say though that i absolutely DESPISE the practice of paying for timed exclusives. that's downright f*cking evil treatment of the consumer. it's like they deliberately mislead people into thinking that a certain game is not coming out on the "other" system, so people buy the only console they think they are going to be able to play it on... like many people in Japan bought an Xbox for Tales of Vesperia. and now they are pissed... gee i wonder why.

[Arsenal4Ever]

Wow!!

Guess the truth has been revealed, no point for me to get an 360 after hearing this. So all these 3rd party exclusives, NG2, Tales, Eternal Sonata, Bioshock all had this 1 year exclusive deal with Microsoft. The PS3 version is better the 360 counter-parts.

It's really a shame.

btw MS's 50 million used on GTAIV DLC is now being used for the funding of Agent LOLOL!!!

[Dacapn]

I understand where multi console owners are coming from, but damn. I'm not in the business of setting money on fire. If someone told me I could buy a car today with a four cylinder engine today for x dollars or wait a year and get that car with a v6 for the same price, you best believe ima wait.

[Darkshader]

TO ALL PS3 OWNERS,

Try thinking that all EXCLUSIVE and TIME-EXCLUSIVE XBOX 360 GAMES is in beta test mode. The final product and the best version will come out in the PS3 after 1year - 1year and half after they fix those bugs :) It is easy to move on that way, because in the end you know that it will come out in the PS3 eventually.

While SONY pampers us with 1st and 2nd party games every 6 months or so...

edit:
disagree all you want! because i will have last the laught after they ported your beloved exclusive games to my PS3... LOL

[R4mpage]

At least for a while. ;)

[Tony P]

@black: Well, I'm hardly going to pretend to be the expert in knowing what costs what in a PS3, but it seems to me you've already pointed out a half-decent indicator in the slim. The PS3 has been totally redesigned to sell at a lower price point. I don't think it's beyond Sony's innovation to have found a way to get the price down w/o sacrificing BC. I think BC removal was just their quick fix and perhaps they didn't have the time or inclination to find a way to work it back in. Personally, my own wild idea is to remove PS1 compatibility. It's two gens ago and they're constantly re-releasing PS games as PSN downloads. Seems like they're better set up to fill the hole created by lack of PS1 BC. But as I said I'm not expert on the matter.

@cmbre: I don't doubt you have very high standards, but that's a completely personal opinion and a bonafide stereotype when you project your bias onto every other PS3 gamer like myself. I'm not saying I don't have standards, (I'm quite finicky actually) but I think it's classless to call everyone else tasteless by implication of NOT owning a PS3. You are biased. But what else is new. It's not a sin. I'm biased towards the PC. But you'll never catch me saying "PC is the best platform ever" because it's admittedly not flawless. What I usually take issue with is when bias goes from the innocent 'what you think' to the diabolical 'what you think everyone else should think'. Furthermore, generalizing all PS3 fans as mini-cmbres is not exactly accurate in regards to your points.

@SWORD: I still do have a PS2. But only because the PS3 I have right now doesn't have BC. Thanks for the tips, but it's not about saving cash. I'm not trying to lambaste Sony over dropping BC, but I find it uneven that GAMERS who claim to have chosen the quality platform let it slide. It's a genuine flaw imo and I can't let it slide no matter how much I like PS. I find it contrary that people make no PS2 BC seem a fair or a brilliant Sony stratagem. I'd be surprised if those people gave MS the same benefit of the doubt after dropping their BC updates so long ago.

As it stands, Wii is the only current gen platform to offer full BC with last gen games to EVERY customer. That's the way it should imo. That's what I call quality as far as BC is concerned.

Edit: Not sure why my comment isn't posting as a reply like it's meant to be.

[cmrbe]

You have a nack of putting words in my mouth.

Since when is low standards = No standards?.

Since when is generally = All?.

Where did i say or implied that those without a PS3 are classless?.

Where did i say or implied all PS3 fans are cmrbe mini me?.

Next time i should be very careful with what i say as you might say that i said everyone on N4G are dumb without me saying it.

Perhaps i should have said low expectations but to me that is no different from saying having low standards of expectations.

[Tony P]

Cmbre, I haven't put any words in your mouth. I've simply highlighted what your words convey (to myself at least). The semantics you're arguing over...are just rough paraphrasals of what you said originally. Do I really have to dissect your original statement sentence by sentence and explain back what you, the writer, wrote?

Maybe you should be more careful in how you frame a point if you don't want to be misinterpreted.

If it helps at all, you said you personally have high standards. But then you generalise PS gamers as being just like you in having high standards. So...you're making PS3 guys out to be mini-cmbres. It's a simple turn of phrase.

My point is you may talk a pretty good game about making sure devs and manufacturers don't take advantage of gamers, but all the while you're willing to give Sony a pass when they make a misstep. So maybe you can understand why I find it hard to believe you're a white knight here.

[cmrbe]

what are Sony's misstep that you are referring too?. LOL obviously you haven't seen me blast Sony for a number of things i believe they didn't do well. Dosen't matter. You already made up your mind.

You are reading way too much into what i said and twist them into something i didn't say.

[blackpanther25]

yeah i agree with you.....i believe the removal of BC was a quick fix as well, but when they saw that ps2 was still selling well and ps3 was selling more than the BC PS3s then they just totally decided not to worry about it. It's like Microsoft with Xbox live......why make it free when people pay for it. It all comes down to why fix something thats not broken

I mean people were still buying PS2s over the ps3 when everybody knew the ps3 had BC. IDK but in business that shows that the consumers didn't care that ps3 had BC and decided to just buy a ps2 for a lower price.

Now it's a different story a lot more people are demanding for BC so lets see what they do, but i know sony they always like to please their customers (i voted for the GOW collection).

[Tony P]

Cmbre, I'm ignoring the first half of your comment. I already addressed that with a few examples. I'm not trying to debate what kind of person you are but, how you've presented your point.

Anyway, the fact that you have to ask if Sony has made missteps kind of proves my point doesn't it? But ok, here's one I've been talking about this entire time with others: BC.

And if you feel you've been misjudged, perhaps you can link me to a recent comment where you're taking Sony to task, yes?

@black
Yeah, that would make sense to me as well. For now, there's just waiting.

[cmrbe]

BC is not a big deal. People think its a big deal hell even i thought it is a big deal before but the truth is it is not once you get it. Its not a critical feature like say free online or a reliable console or real exclusives that pushes your console to the limit. Most of us that bought a PS3 Sony gauge weather we used it regularly and the answer most PS3 owners gave is no. Sony did actually carry out a survey. I was part of it. Sony could have just say fu*k it and pulled it without consulting its userbase but no they didn't. What happened is once the PS3 games roll in there is little or no reason for PS3 gamers like me to go back playing PS2 games. They all look crap anyways on the PS3 especially after playing games like MGS4 and Uncharted.

Sony can't please everyone. They had to give what the majority wanted. The majority wanted a price reduction. The truth is i couldn't see anyway for them to reduce the price without removing BC. They couldn't remove Blu-ray or cell or HDMI or standard HD and other important features the allows for PS3 experience. They were already loosing $200 plus per unit sold. They couldn't incured more cost otherwise they might have gone out of bussiness.

Alot of x360 fans complain that PS3 fans are whinny. The truth is i love the fact that we complained alot. Thats the way it should be.The majority of PS fans complained about the price. Sony listened and now the PS3 is 299. Alot complained about lack of exclsuives, now we have more exclusives that we can handle. Alot asked Sony for a remasterd GOW bundle, Sony listen and now we have it. I have always encouraged those that have issue with Sony to make sure Sony knows about them. Most of the time they are not issue i care about like BC or Voice chat but i encourage and support them anyway to ask for it. Gamers first and foremost. I have always wanted PS fans to keep Sony on their toes to give us the best of the best. Now when i look at x360 fans. Its the complete opposite in most cases. Its like they don't know that they are the ones that have the power. Not MS. The xbox gaming division exists because of them. Not the other way around

I think i said enough. Look i don't mind people calling me a fanboy or biased or arrogant or whatever. However, what i really hate the most is people taking what i say and turn it to something else i didn't say. I will never ever do that to anyone else here. As for your request. I don't keep tab of what i said earlier. To lazy to look but here is something i found. http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News...

No one should ever mess with PS fans. Not Sony nor any devs. I demand the best of the best. No gamer should settle for less. If that makes me arrogant then so be it.

[Shendow]

Why would Microsoft help Sony? they wouldn't, that is bad for business an Sony blacking mailing -_- please. I don't think Sony put a gun to them an said "GIVE US ADD ONS!!!" -_- but yeah this story doesn't sound true.

[mfwahwah]

MS didn't intend for the money to go to SONY, obviously. Namco decided that the bag of cash they got for making the 360 version could easily cover costs of both the 360 version (cheap / easy to make, as they mentioned) AND the PS3 version (bit harder / more expensive to make).

Reading comprehension ftw.

[silkrevolver]

So is this confirmed to coming to the States/Europe or not? Cause I NEED a good JRPG, I haven't played one since FFXII.....

[horndog]

After everyone is played it on the xbox first of coarse they have to add a little something extra to the ps3 version so the fanboys think they are getting something special. LOL. Same S**t different pile.

With an 8 mill lead MS can afford to lend poor sony a hand. Why not? Richest company in the world perhaps so why not?

[dkgshiz]

What an idiot :)

[supremacy]

the same sentiment you had for the original xbox in the ps2 era? with games like onimusha, and metal gear? even though that metal gear with the upgrade still came out for the ps2 after wards.

ninja gaiden sigma 2 is practically the same game, yeah sure. but co-op, new characters with their own story lines tied in to the game is what you didn't have and still pay 60 bucks for?

same dish, different plate, only this time we also get the appetizer as well, in other words the whole meal. for the same price, and to say that its coming to a whole new audience simply means its a new experience. Especially if the left over makes the original seem like a piece rather than a whole?

yeah ill wait for the better product, half of these ips aren't even worth rushing to buy, so as long as i know its coming to my platform in premium form ill wait, besides its not like the ps3 doesn't have any games lol if anything Sony has plenty of owned studios and ips at their disposal across 3 different platforms as well. Doesn't sound like a poor thing....

[djfullshred]

It is not a matter of PS3 players "thinking" they are getting more on the subsequent PS3 release. They are.

[thehitman]

I think walmart are richer than MS.

[skatezero246]

lol and who said Microsoft don't pay money to developers for timed exclusives?

[No FanS Land]

Man I'm beginning to like this generation! with so many "coup de théâtre" this and last year, the infamous HD war is getting entertaining!

[Bumpmapping]

360 has no exclusives Jump out and Play beyond!

[air1]

but damn that was fvcked up. that was like a punch square on the nose..

havent bought a namco game in a really long time or at least none that i can remember. looks like i will never ever buy another namco game, i dont support sh!t like that i dont care if it would of been the other way around..

[dkgshiz]

When you whip cash around like wild apes to obtain exclusive DLC and small little games no one cares about. Eventually your money gets in the hands of your own rivals. This is quite funny I think. Thanks M$ for funding this! Suckers!

[JadedWriter]

You know due to the amount of porn on that website I can't even add a relevant post to the argument. Thank god I was at home while reading it though because it would have surely gotten me fired. *Goes back to staring at the half naked Asians*

[SiteNblog Defender]

Sony are a bunch of d!cks by the sounds of it.

[djfullshred]

lol, they're all a bunch of d!cks, haha. Don't feel bad for the other mega corporation, like they are a bunch of nice guys. Yeah, all these business people are holding hands, singing songs about puppy dogs & rainbows. ;-)

[Sanhlami]

'O thee irony! Thou is cruel but so sweet

[commodore64]

The developer's comments had absolutely nothing to do with the spin that the guy writing this blog came up with.

This article is just a misrepresenting the facts, and adding some hardcore sony-fan-boy-spin!

What the developer ACTUALLY said was that MS helps developers MUCH more and the 360 is easier to develop for.

I find it soooooooo sad, that there is ample evidence in this thread that so many ps3 fans on n4g don't even bother looking past the silly headline and instead reading the developer comments without the rather transparent agenda of the author of the article.

So sad.
IS this a new low ps3 fans?

[beardpapa]

I think after seeing several pro-Sony articles from that site [Sankaku], it's safe to say it's pro-Sony. Furthermore I think the people that's been submitting articles linked to the site are just doing the guy a favor - giving that site more hits from visitors of N4G who are willing to fuel the fanboy war.

[Neo604]

betabox indeed.

[DigitalAnalog]

At least they don't involve the gamers.

Like "charging" them for online services...

[Dutch Boogie]

oh well you win some, you lose some ey?

[LiquifiedArt]

The idea that I get teh ULTIMATE version is extremly EXTERMELY appealing. It makes me want to hold onto the game. Kind of like having someone work the diamond out of the dirt and when its polished and perfected I get to have it.

Like i said. Its only normal that "WE" were getting some software a year later. WE LAUNCHED A YEAR LATER! But damnnn with the added bonus of extra charaters and stuff is amazing. Especially in RPGS!

Ninja Gaiden Simga 2 IS HUGE! online Coop mission, 3 extra playable characters and ofcourse any bug squashing and fine tuning that was needed. Im' very pleased.

[Demon5500]

Will see who funded the biggest visual change in video game graphics 4 years into a console life, :) that cant be done on a ps3

[Enigma_2099]

So... unless they did this, SONY wouldn't let them do a PS3 port... meaning they could have just said "no." But they allowed themselves to be "blackmailed" into adding all these improvements... in order to release the game on the PS3... the game they could have just said "no" to enhancing.

Think about that... and how F****G STUPID it sounds. SONY blackmailed them... yeah, right!

[Claudinho69]

i always saw it like this, plus the money microsoft paid for used to be exclusives to also come to the xbox ex: final fantasy and metal gear....and sony didnt have to pay a dime

[xg-ei8ht]

I just wanted to know from 360 owners, is there any bugs/flaws/ that ps3 should know about concerning Mass effect 1&2 that needs fixing:)

[Morituri]

I see what you did there...

[JeepGamer]

Every time I claim that Microsoft doesn't ever do anything but throw money around in order to 'compete' I get all kinds of disagrees or complaints. Here's just another chip on a growing stack of evidence: Microsoft is throwing money around because that is the only way it can 'compete' even with a years head start. It would be fine if they helped fund the development of new games, but what they do instead is prowl around looking at what other companies are doing, then they start shoveling money at them to either secure an exclusive or to make a game go multi platform, and the later of these two practices has actually screwed up several games.

[supremacy]

also what i find poor going by your theory, is that ms has spend the last few years celebrating old playstation exclusives like its the end of the world. Heck you had a guy who go on stage with fake tattoos of these games on his old wrinkly arms. lol

now if that's not sad than i don't know what is, at the same time sony is working and offering new franchises from all genres.

wanna talk about left overs, without much to offer?

Unreal 3 is a great example, this game was over 6 months old by the time it arrived on the 360. yet the worst part of it all is, it didn't really add anything to the game. the ps3 still being the older version of the game, had mods, something the 360 didn't and still does not to this date.

then there was virtue fighter 4, sure you got online play, but at what cost? not like this game was worth the time and money anyways.

i could go on, but let me stop for now. i think you get my drift.

[FxckOSX]

MONEY is A attractive thing of MS,
MS's game console is crappy TRASH.

after all.

[Lawliet]

The conspiracy is getting worse by the passing days.

[ll_UNDERSCORE_ll]

Ps3 owners getting a upgraded version!!! Sweet!
Sympathy for any hardcore fans of TOV who already own a copy, hopefully a "free' dlc on missed content will come out.

[artsaber]

I've read some comments, and I applaud some of you for trying to be noble. I agree that about 85% of Microsoft's behavior is parallel to the complacency of the main body of the 360 fanbase. I do not believe for a second that PS3 fans would accept:

1) Antiquated technology @ a premium price
2) Paying to play online
3) 50+% hardware failure rate
4) $99 20gb Hdds and 802.11g wifi adapters
5) $99 802.11N wifi adapters
6) Online purchasing platform based on points instead of currency exchange.
7) Charge and play kits for controllers

8) Infinite amount of waffling: Remember these statements" HDMI is not needed for gaming"(then later added HDMI under the Microsoft "me too" clause), and "1080p is not necessary"(also currently attempting to function under the "me too" clause).

[deividpaulo]

why the N4G allows any idiot write these ridiculous articles?

[Grim]

lets face it show me a ps3 title that has been so much better than the 360 version when it has been released later due to MS buying timed exclusivity.
Most of the extras are sh1tty additions that don't affect the game to a major degree. Even Bioshock which was almost a year after was not as good as the 360 version.
Why is it that N4G is full of 14year old PS3 fangirls always trying to find some article to say MS are bad 360 is cr@p etc. Get a fukin life you bunch of kids. Its only a game console play the one you like or both if you want who really gives a sh1t

[Persistantthug]

UT3 was better on PS3 and the extras were significant on that game.

[kaz-hirai]

"Microsoft Funds PS3 Game Development"

But even with the funding the 360 version is broken and incomplete ;-D!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stuna1]

Nothing, especially if your looking at a whole new install base 24 million give or take and, no I'm not saying 24 mill. are going to buy said games, but when you look at it from that standpoint it makes more than enough sense IMO. Also why would you kill a console that's still making you money hand over fist that's just plain crazy? (Speaking of the ps2). A 9 year old last gen. console that's still raking in cash from software alone.