Spring Update: Killing Xbox 360s?

In some worrying news for Xbox 360 owners, there are numerous stories being posted on the Official xbox.com forum concerning the recent spring update killing 360's. Quite a few of the forum posters are also claiming that Microsoft are ignoring the complaints. Apparently after updating, 360 owners are reporting that the machine suddenly switches off. Are any of you 360 owners suffering any problems?

[elliot_]

thats a lot of people...

hey jmoneezie i'm no sony guy...i just found this article interesting than i posted it...
i don't even have a ps3...i don't hate the xbox...only its maniac fans...
of course for me its much easy to post an article like this than a 360 fan...

just because i have a avatar the ps controler...now i'm a xbox hater?

please i just a player...what called my attention in this article was this part..."a few of the forum posters are also claiming that Microsoft are ignoring the complaints..."

http://forums.xbox.com/1233...

[PS3 Owns All]

for 360 fans saying ''PS3 updates with more errors LOL'' U see what I mean? UNPERFECT!! Nothing is perfect!

[jmoneezie]

So why does this article concern you. Is this just more hate from another MS hater?

[power of Green]

Ya! my 360 became selfaware 2:00 pm est.

[HaKeRsCanRotINHEL]

Good one! ^_^

[gta_cb]

my Xbox 360 still works, it has worked completely fine after EVERY game update, and after EVERY dashboard update!

my friends list has been full for a while now, and NON of them have had a problem updating the Xbox 360 dashboard, and i havnt heard of ANY problems till this story popped up. i personally dont believe this story unless there IS evidence

[StrboyM]

very sorry for people who own 360's. its like every update xbox's die.
man i know it sucks. i use my ps3 every day. if she croaked id be very very upset.

fanboyisms aside. M$ needs to get its act together for the sake of its customers. there are lots of people being turned away from the 360 because of faulty sytem designs and update issues, thats really not the way i want the console wars to go. I mean sony was gonna win anyway, but id rather see them beat an opponent who didnt beat themself first.

my condolences to those who lost a 360

[duckman2470]

I only feel bad for the people who are on there 1st 360 who had no knowlage of how defective these 360's are, However I cant help but Laugh at the people who keep buying new 360s or keep paying for repairs after there 1st one broke. If there that dumb to continue giving MS there money then theres noone to blame but themselfs.

I learn quick and got out of the MS money trap back in FEB 07.

[Boink]

everytime an update goes through, there is a bunch of sony fanboys claiming it breaks.

I have no doubt that there would be some sporadic issues with it, as there are with any software updates. but it is not the "shy is falling" as some would have us believe. Out of all the people I know with a 360, and all those on my friends list, not a single one has had a 360 bricked or even an issue from any update.

if it was so rampant, I think there would be at least one.

[Sexius Maximus]

The update has made my VGA even more gorgeous, and the new features are great. I have heard of NO stories about issues from any of my buddies or anybody off my friends list. I call BS.

[marionz]

if this is true wouldnt it affect all 360's? you sony fans love to jump in and start cr@p about the 360, i personally know 6 360 owners and they and i have never had a single problem!

fact: this update was awesome

why dont you sony fans get jobs or is sony paying you to spam 360 owners and 360 sites with your BS storys of bricked 360's

sony fans stop the hate, its fact the ps3 isnt as good as the 360 but dont hold that against us who are happy with our console of choice

update killing 360's? what a joke ha...ha...ha...

[Xeoset]

It's the Internet.

Sony Fangirls run rampant, downplaying games and causing rumours.

I bet the very start of this as at the PS3Forums, in the PS3 General section and it went:

"ZOFMGGz, my invisible 360 busted!"
"Holy shintZ! Mine 2! I only made it up 2 weeks ago"
"ZOMG! Me 3! Let's cause crap on the interwbz!"
...x50

Sony Cows. I would say go play your PS3 but, well, there aren't exactly games for it. You really should of got a 360, they're actually fun, but, $600 is a large investment and hard to bin, we know. If I had to bin my 360, Gears of War, Viva Pinata and Dead Rising, roughly the same cost as your George Foreman Grill, I'd be pissed.

Also, LMAO at them disagreeing at the VGA Picture Update. They're disagreeing with better pictures?! Fail.

[HaKeRsCanRotINHEL]

If not, leave the BS in the pasture! `&~`

[zonetrooper5]

Well the Spring update did not kill my Xbox 360. I just think some people are trying to make the 360 look bad. I have no doubt that there might be a small number of people whos Xbox 360's did get bricked by the update.

[elliot_]

this is an article from a xbox360 forum

http://forums.xbox.com/1233... go check it

[nice_cuppa]

bricked my ps3 just to point out how silly this is !

[gta_cb]

EXACTLY! people can post SH!T all the time! just because someone says something has happened it DOESNT means its true! =( prob loads of fanboys! SERIOUSLY!

[drtysouf21]

My works fine after the update.

[JustCallMeDaddy]

when i updated my 360 with the spring update, nothing happened. the next day when i got home, i turned on my Xbox to download the forza 2 demo, but it gave me the 3 red lights of death.

the worst thing is that this happened a few days before the halo 3 beta release, and i got my crackdown copy just to play halo 3 beta!! Now i feel like i have just been ripped off because it takes around 4 weeks to get my console replaced and the halo 3 beta is three weeks long!!

According to my calculations, i would be getting my 360 one or two days after the beta is over!! I'm so pissed.

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

Wow that sucks I Understand where u comming from. because once my friend got his 2 red lights of death he got a ps3...lol..and traded in all is games...

[bababrooks]

3 red lights is a bummer, but you should have a replaced unit in approx 7 days(1 month? bought a game to play a different game mmmmmmmmmmm)

[daboosa]

mine busted too im gutted i thort i hd a good one

[PhinneousD]

anyways gth.

[nice_cuppa]

telling me his 360 died with the update !

do i believe you ?

...................... no !

[daboosa]

or did have ive just had to throw my 360 away and im not wasting any more money

[23478ueyur_938223]

3 red lights-skull head.

My friend's 360 is fine after the update.

[heihoosilver]

i have mine since December 2005 and it has all the updates and never killed mine. I know people who have the 360 at same time and have all the updates and they never DIED. And WOW, exactly 360 Xbox360 that are killed? Kiss my ass if i believe in this. BS. MarketinG War again?

[HungPHAT]

Me to, had mine since Launch day , ZERO Problems !!!!!

[alsef07]

I updated mine and its ok, i have the elite, but everyone knows that is the same as the premium, but why are people having this problems in updates, anyway mine its working fine and i hope it does for a long time..lol

[MoonDust]

was playing thursday...hmmm..

[Cartesian3D]

may be 360 has some noise or some DVD scratch problem... but this news is just BS...

Im sure MS test their updates several times, and they know what they are doin'..

[MikeIsOnFire84]

After I updated my 360 it wont play 360 games anymore.It will play cd's,dvd,even old xbox games...no 360 game though.Microsoft will not help me either.Told me I have to pay them even though it obviously was due to the update.F**kers.

[benny o klaatt]

thats what happened to my two 360's wouldnt recognise games. never an update has killed my machine tho, and that includes the so called guitar hero 2 update destroyer

[tehcellownu]

DAMN!! anythin will kill the xbox360..Didnt they have problems last year too when people reported that a updated kill their system..Anything that revolve the 360 is defective..

The 360 have problems with freezing, disk scratches, overheating, dvd problems, disk readin errors, firmware update will kill it and patching up games, and playin certain games will brick it..lol..microsoft is a professional when it comes down to bugs.

[THAMMER1]

My 360 actually performs better and loads quicker after the update. I think most of those people just want new 360's. Oh well I've had mine since 11/19/2005 and it is still trucking along better than brand new.

[sak500]

I was pissed at lack of divx support. But good thing is Orb and tversity updated their software so now the files are shown in the folders. Ok integration of messenger which is not useful for me due to my account being the one i dont use much.

IT might be happening to the people who modded their consoles.

[Sevir04]

most of them want a new 360 because it died... though you and the other that are fortunate to have yours work after the update. others like my 2 friends had the same issue with updating to the Spring update.. one of my friend system wont play games at all and the other got the ring of death... ironically. Ms said that they have to pay... even when they have the warrenty... so now they are thinking of getting a ps3... i told them wait and see or keep calling before they trade in the console. MS should honor their warranty... luckily for me... I own a ps3 and i dont have to worry about my system showing rings off death and not worry about issues with mine. because there arent any... still my heart goes out to those 360 guys with the problem of this update and the dying... it sucks to have ur console of choice in entertainment fail. it was like My ps2 that failed when i got it at launch... ofcourse sony Replaced it. ^^ i hope MS stand to there word and not rip you guys off.. and if this is your 3rd or four 360, then i think you need to get an Elite or just get a ps3... it wont kill you iff you do.

[bootsielon]

My warranty is about to expire. So if my 360 dies any time soon, I have a PS3, which is in fact better in every way.

[ben hates you]

want to point out that some of the people in these post are probley lying some of the had posted stuff earlier today, why havent they said anything until this post came

[Bill Gates]

Oh man when will this nightmare end for all the 0.360 owners. Sorry but it just seems that when it's not one thing killing 0.360's, it's something else. That's a FACT!! Seriously I could see if a person is on their second console, but third and fourth,..well that just stupid, and makes you a fool. If I were those people, I would just trade it in along with the games, buy a PS3 and END the nightmare.

Only reason why M$ customer service are "ignoring the complaints" is because maybe they've all just about had it, and are all sick and tired of M$ making them work overtime form all the 0.360's crapping out around the world.

By the way that picture of the skull with the two ring of deaths is fuuuunnny!! LMFAO.

EDIT: I just read some of the posts on that forum, and everyone that posted had the same problem. sad. I think little by little people will begin to open their eyes, and see the MISTAKE that is Xbox0.360. Like "neogeo" below me.

M$ is ripping people off on purpose. Admit it people.

[Rockstar]

M$ doesn't care because 98 percent of all the posts that I have read on this subject have stated they would just go and buy a new 360.

It's better for them to ignore customer complaints because they make more money that way.

[neogeo]

I wish I never updated. Mine is completly red lights. I have had enough. I used to flame about what system has more power. now I don't care I just want someting that works! GRRRRR!

[TheMART]

YOU DON'T EVEN OWN A 360

Many, many Sony droids in these threads, that's Sony's new marketing. It's not about getting games on their own platform, it's Sony fanboys trying to make other systems look bad.

I hope your PS3 will burn itself in hell

to the ones below that believe he owns a 360 or has owned one. He didn't. And go watch all his comments from the start positive on PS3, negative on 360. This is again one of those in disguise PS fans that say they have or have had a 360.

Seems like most PS fans are so sick in their heads they need to put up these lies

@ Satanas, the story about the PS3 is true. And I have about 30 to 50 friends (online and offline) that have a 360 and I know about 1 or at the highest 2 that had problems with it.

Neogeo is lying about a 360 he would have owned that has died in this update. Straight out.

[23478ueyur_938223]

Sorry Mart, but you're the one claiming you know 2 PS3 owners, one who had a failed system, and base that on your assumption that the system must have a high failure rate.

Don't be a stupid hypocrite, you're the one making up bull.

Edit: My point is, don't ignore the problem, there clearly is one. No one I know personally has had 360 problems, but there is a rate of failure for it, and there is a much lower one for the PS3. I'm sure PS3s have died, it's just dumb to assume that the 360 has a lower rate of failure.

Also, I didn't say it wasn't true, I just said the assumption of rate of failure was dumb. I agree that it seems like he probably doesn't have a 360 though.

[sak500]

@neo
Reminder for you:

"neogeo - 02 Apr 2007 13:12
4 - I have the PS3 and my romate has the 360,
But fable 2 might make me get another 360. to me that game is a system seller even more then Bioshock. "

Last i heard fable 2 wasnt out. So what made you buy the 360?

[23478ueyur_938223]

"Last i heard fable 2 wasnt out. So what made you buy the 360?"

What he's saying is, if his 360 did break, that he may get another one AFTER Fable 2 comes out because it looks like it'll be more interesting for him than BioShock.

That's what I got from what he said.

[MikeIsOnFire84]

is accusing ME of lying.If you are,F**K YOU.I have a $400 dollar machine that stoppped working immediatly after the update,not soon after,or the next day.The new update 100% without a doubt killed my 360.I have all 3 next gen systems,360 happens to be my favorite one,so theres no bias sh*t coming from me either.

[23478ueyur_938223]

No don't worry those comments were directed at someone else.

[GuCCi512]

what the hell is wrong with microsoft....they cant update anything...this same thing happened around 10/31/06 when the fall update came out. this is just typical microsoft. with Microsoft updates they have to update and then update the update...and i can say that mine did the update just fine.

[LONEWOLF231]

WOW PS3 better than the 360!!!

Why cause SONY said so......PFFFTTTT....... dude dont be so dense!

At least give us a valid reason why the PS3 is better!

ARMY OF TWO= XBOX 360 60FPS, PS3 30FPS
EA= 360 will win due to better system performance!

NUFF SAID!

[dodgefate]

"ARMY OF TWO= XBOX 360 60FPS, PS3 30FPS
EA= 360 will win due to better system performance!

NUFF SAID!"

You do know that both of those posts are listed under "Rumors" there is no proof of them even being real in anyway. lol

The ARMY OF TWO post everyone should know is crap when there are games coming that run 60fps at 1080p so please stop blowing smoke just to start a flame war.

[DaTrooF]

maybe M$ is doing this on purpose just so that ppl that are hardcore xbox fanboys(or ppl who cant get a ps3)to buy a new one or buy the elite.if thats their plan,(and if it works)they could end-up selling more units.
its just a thought..i mean this isn't the only rip-off card that M$ has played.read the april issue of game informer page 32 and you guys will know what i'm talking.
i'm not saying my theory is true but it can be...btw i'm one of the lucky ones who didnt get the software.THANK GOD!!:)
sorry for those who got a messed up system:(
hope this issue gets fixed:)

[DaTrooF]

one of my bubbles is gone,did i say anything that offended anybody?

[elliot_]

lol...i give you one back:)

[tk]

Seems like the XB360 dies if the wind blows the wrong direction... All this news just confirms that I made the right decision in not getting one...

Anyway - you XB360 users should do the following:
Set up a forum and get the persons who has bricked consoles log exactly what was the previous firmware version, software loaded last before the update. Sometimes updates depend on a specific previous version - for example many software cab be updated from the last major update, but not from two previous versions. Could also be modchip or modifications that can cause this. Try and get the precise state of the machine - controllers plugged in, peripherals attached at the time of the update etc. Software updates are like that - just keep a good lookout - and don't be the first one to update. And as much as I dislike the XB360, this will happen to the Wii and PS3 as well during their lifetime. Just a question of time and some right (wrong) combination of factors that will cause it. And with MS updates - check other software patches, it is very likely that it will fix something and kill something else.

[Bathyj]

All those people on the forum seem to be Xbox owners and they all got bricked after the update and if its true, it wouldnt be the first time would it?

I swear everytime I turn this machine on its like Russian Roulette. Believe it.

[gnothe1]

they try everything but guess what!! you cant stop the train baby!!!every time you turn around its MS this MS that, my 360 has the 3 red lights blah blah blah.think for one second, if the 360 was a defective as everyone says don't you think the government would have MADE them issue a recall or a PUBLIC STATEMENT about the faulty systems!! people dig the earth trying to find people who's system stop working on or around the time of the update!! we all know there's systems breaking down, it happens!! would this have been a story if those same systems broke down with no update!!

[LONEWOLF231]

datroof3
I gave you good feedback.
I lost acouple of bubbles too!
It seems that many of the peeps get offended once you start talking bad about the PS3!

Its as if they OWN or they have money invested with SONY!

[DaTrooF]

..

[dodgefate]

Not sure if it is the update that did it I think it was just the system itself I am going on 3 rings of death on mine now (before the update).

[ThaGeNeCySt]

mine hasn't bricked *shrugs*

[tk]

From one of the posters (Jagtown) on the XBox forum. Hope this help the xbots. Guess you won't see much features on the XBox360 as any strain will cause it to overheat and die. That most probably will mean that games that really push the system will most probably cause more systems to brick. Anyway - good luck and hope this helps.

_____________________________ ____________________

http://forums.xbox.com/1233...
Hey,

I had the same issue... here's my story / fix

I suffered a similiar fate as many other folks on this thread... My system never EVER had a problem (bought dec 06) and right after the update it locked up while i was watching a game trailer... then on dashboard... then on boot screen... then 3 red lights....

I almost had a heart attack.......... BOOM... off to the forums... I tried the 'check the power supply' / 'take out the hdd' etc etc.. even the towel trick... ( i wouldn't do that again.... ) and left it off till morning...

Fired 'er up in the morning... alive she came... back from the dead! Loaded up forza 2 and made it half way around the track... LOCKED SOLID....

Rebooted... got as far as game intro.. locked...

rebooted.. got to dash... locked...

Almost like a computer with the cpu fan stopped.... its fine after a few hrs off.. then it locks faster and faster till your locked solid in dos....

So I said.. its the heat... I tried repositioning the unit but no use.... until i took it out of my open cabinet (the same cabinet its been sitting in since December with no problem) and placed it vertical out in the wide open, next to a door with the window open... It loaded up fine.... played three forza 2 races.... (start practicing haha) ... it indirectly is the spring update.... It MUST put just that little much more strain on the system, generating that little bit more heat.... and just enough to overload the system UNLESS you put your system in a very good open / ventilated area....

I'm going to try a case fan... because i like it in my cabinet but bottom line ill put it in my friggin freezer if it means back to normal.. I cant exactly undo the update and i didn't get the extended warranty from futureshop....

so to one and all.... PUT YOU XBOX 360 OUT IN THE OPEN... i had mine set vertically... dont know if that helped... I'll stand on one foot if I have to.... hopefully your system will stop locking up and your red lights will disappear...

Best of luck folks!!

[LONEWOLF231]

Well ill say this much, it seems that on most systems gamers have claimed that the UPDATE has shutdown the AA in certain games! I dont know if its true or not. All i know is that i am not updating my system anytime soon!

[DrWan]

Well, i feel sorry for u guys. Who's lying who's not? You know what? Sure, it is the internet, but they can't be ALL lying at the same time..I am sure it has happened to someone but to what scale is unknown.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

if you click these posters screennames, it'll go to their gamerpage... and unless they have spare 360's laying around, it says the last time they were online lol... the originator of that topic was online 1 hour ago on his 360.. the 2nd poster in that thread was online 2 hours ago playing C&C3 Demo, the 3rd poster was online 3 hours ago playing Gears of War....

This is just food for thought though. Peace.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Hey PS3 fans you wouldn't happen to be posting this up because of yesterdays maxconsole news are ya?

http://www.youtube.com/resu... 5 pages of broken PS3s on Youtube.

http://video.google.com/vid... 9 pages of broken PS3 videos

http://video.yahoo.com/vide... 7 more pages of video, you guessed it broken PS3s

http://search.lycos.com/?ta... 5 more pages of video

http://boardsus.playstation... Last but not least Hundreds and I'm mean HUNDREDS of Blu screen of death.

Here is a little song for ya Sony fans.

[dodgefate]

It really is sad that someone would take that much time to post fanboy crap!! was PS3 even in the title?

NO!!

So talk about the update or shut up man its fanboys like you that keep this crap going man grow up.

[1337 gamer]

@Jason xg1 above " yeah yeah, it's all in the past now. i had a new ps3 in my hands a couple days after i posted these videos. Sony's service was EXCELLENT. it didn't cost me a dime, everything was shipped overnight, and they even began a new warranty for the new unit. thumbs up to good customer service. it makes me forget this whole ordeal even happened."

[SmokeyMcBear]

hahahahaha jason.. ur so dumb.. did you even go through the videos, i just looked at the first 2 pages. there are 2 videos of broken 360s, a video of a broken finger, a video of a broken wii, and like 6 videos of the same glitch in GTHD that was happening.. man you are such a tool.. next time do a little research. The ps3 is rock solid, enjoy your 3 red lights when you eventually get them, if you havent already.

[23478ueyur_938223]

I'll humour you, I guess.

Broken PS3 search string: 82 results.
Broken 360 search string: 275 results.

Can you dictate any conclusion with these results? HELL NO. They mean nothing.

Don't be such a stupid fool.

[Vojkan]

PROBABLY ONLY MODDED 360 DIE, AS THEY SHOULD

[God of Gaming]

well.. 100 people on my friends list.. played with most of them since the update, none have issues.

[Captain Tuttle]

Same here...no issues.

[RedSeven]

...but I have been thinking of picking one up recently. The problem is, this kind of activity is not very attractive to a potential buyer. I own and play my PS3 with no problem what so ever. I even had a power outage in the middle of using my PS3 and it loaded up just fine when the power came back on. I am not trying to start a flame war, but to a potential future Microsoft customer, this is just pushing me back to deciding not to purchase a console after all. Seriousley, I read through the official Xbox forums and saw many complaints about this problem. Not to be a flamer, but has anyone had any hardware issues with the Playstation 3 so far?

[Elginer]

I'm a huge Xbox fan but I'm now on my THIRD 360. This is just plain out retarded. As much as some fanboys would like to think it's all BS and peple trying to make MS look bad, honestly it's not. My 360 was fine until the Spring update, then I had GPU problems with my screen becoming checkered and then finally the red rings of hell. The 360 is a great gaming machine but built well it is not, that's for damn sure/.

[AngryTypingGuy]

OK, I've avoided saying that theses kind've posts were Sony fanboys in the past, but c'mon. This happens every update. I don't know ANYONE with a bad console because of an update. All of the people complaining about this on the Xbox forums are pathetic Sony fanboy losers who will never have girlfriends.

Hey, us 360 owners are sorry that you guys only have a couple of good games to play, but please, try to find something else to do with your spare time besides trying to sabotage the success of a console.

Note: We're not really sorry, we find it hilarious!

[RedSeven]

I don't know if you looked at the forums but a majorioty of the people posting had well over 1,000 posts. I don't know how many Sony fanboys would spend thousands of posts just to flame the 360. One of the reasons some Sony fanboys do start flame wars is because of posts like this. You are just adding fuel to the fire by calling them losers.

[AngryTypingGuy]

No uberwleiss, my avatar isn't my real face. I actually got that pic off of one of those white-trash joke sites. I think I typed something like "inbred" or "retard" in Google to find the pic. I thought it was hysterical, so I used it.

[Booneral]

MythBusters should really look into this one someday.

If a 360 is giving 3 red lights error, the error code should be looked at and known instead of just saying "aww the update killed my 360". Generally three red lights comes with error code 0102 which is generally caused by lame micro-soldering majorly around GPU.

Software updates do not unleash 360's extra core letting console produce more heat, they do not add more processing to dashboard when it's compared to the processing while you play games. The update most definitely can't harm the soldering points on your 360 board.

Well blame Microsoft for everything it's your right, if a hardware fails all of a sudden it's the producer's error unless you do something wrong. I'd understand a flash-gone-wrong, totally bricked console not booting at all, but systems getting out of order after the update? Well then it must be the time for your 360, not actually caused by update but actually caused by lame production in factories. Still Microsoft is the one to blame no matter what but just dont be ridiculous thinking that update does that.

[FFVIIFan]

and have had no problems. While I'm sure there are cases of bricked boxes, these stories are grossly exagerated. I mean everytime there is an update for the dashboard, game, or something else there is a post claiming that 360's worldwide are being bricked. Does it happen, sure, but not as much as its made to appear.

[PhinneousD]

fo reals. you'll just go to hell for lying. just stating the truth. i call bullsh!t on this story.

sony fan's i guess are used to lying cuz that's what they are taught by their 'god', sony. gth and get a life.

[Lacarious]

Peter Moore quotes

[SDS Gamerfiend]

ONLY MODDED 360`S ARE DYING! I`VE HAD NUMEROUS 360`S AND THE UPDATE HAS NEVER HURT ANY OF THEM! I NOW HAVE AN ELITE WHICH TOOK THE UPDATE WITH NO PROBLEMS!

[AngryHippo]

I am super pissed coz my 360 died after the spring update.....didnt think i had a dodgy 360. i have called the microsoft advice line and said what happened and they said that i need to pay £86 for repairs?!is this right?i dont think i should have to pay anything since it was their update that fukt my 360 up. Anyone had the same problem and what is happening about getting theirs repaired....is it getting done free by microsoft because of there being quite a few issues?! I love my 360 and was so bummed about this due to Forza 2 demo and Area 51 demo....wanted to play them so bad. Any advice from people that have had the same problem?

[sak500]

@JAYMARSHAL77

Dint know you had both consoles as the only one you mentioned was in this post for warhawk:

jaymarshall77 - 01 May 2007 01:20
7 - Sounds Cool
Count me in....should be awesome fun
PSN.....AngryHippo

[Booneral]

There were these ridiculous people who said "Saints Row killed my console", "Quake 4 killed my 360" etc. be real people. If a software update is about to affect your system, it should be a flash-gone-wrong process, and should brick system instantly, doesn't deliver your console a timed "self-destruct mechanism" that happens to kill it after a while.

As I said before, still Microsoft is the one to blame for hardware malfunctions, yet people are so ridiculous when they believe a software update actually kills their system after a while.

[ChefDejon]

Ive had my 360 since the launch and its been fine and ive downloaded all of the updates and its been fine this is BS <<<<< this common response is stupid. just because ur 360 out of a base of 10million is fine doesnt mean other ppl xbox 360 arent bricking ur single 360 doesnt represent the other 9,999,999 other ones. and what does the spring update have to do with anything 360's are always bricking everywhere

[ThaGeNeCySt]

JUST CLICK ON THEIR NAMES IN THE THREAD! ALMOST ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN SEEN PLAYING THEIR 360'S WITHIN THE LAST FEW HOURS

[eLiNeS_NIGGER]

That mart guy needs to shut his fat face, my 360 died last night because of the update, it was my second 360, The first one died of some random reason and now the second!!! I downloaded the update and the console worked fine, Turned it off and went out, I came home and turned it back on and the green light came on the console, then the screen went black, and the green light turned to 3 red lights, WHY!!!
MY 360 IS NOW DEAD, IM SO HAPPY I HAVE WII AND PS3..... the story is not a lie people!!!

[sak500]

fit-for-faded - 11 May 2007 16:43
5 - 360!!!
I hope not... I think crytek should stick to Ps3 and PC, leave the slow ones behind i.e. xbox 360..

[MikeIsOnFire84]

People were lying when they said "this game bricked my console" or "The update bricked my console" but it happened to me finally so now I'm a believer.I singed on the day of the update and decided to play MLB 2k7 before I update the system.After I finished the game,I donwloaded the update..browsed around for alittle while then put mlb 2k7 back in. Well...it didnt work....none of my 360 games (save arcade) will work...only cds,dvds and old xbox games will play.All this occured immediatlly after the UPDATE....had it been a couple of days...heck...even a day,I wouldnt have blamed it on the spring update..but since it happened RIGHT AFTER I Dl'ed it...i know in my heart that Microsoft bricked my console.

I know that no one will believe me on this but...do you think its possible for M$ to put a failure code in with the updates? Kinda like playing russian roulette like....90% of 360 owners will recieve a perfectly fine update...10% will recieve corrupt update.M$ would stand to make alot of money from a conspiracy like that.

[gnothe1]

whats make your story unbelievable is when you said you decided to play MLB 2k7 before the update. everybody know that as soon as you log into live it asks you to update!! so your telling me you decided to wait an not update your system knowing theres a few good thing coming in the update!! you sir are a total liar!!there is no way you refused the update just to play MLB 2K7.plus the update took less that 1 minute, you guys really need to get a life then you wanna call me a douche bag. your right I am but at least im a truthful one. you will to go to there extremes to lie just to make the xbox look bad!!

[sajj316]

Accusing one of a lie is a serious thing. So you accused him because he chose to NOT update before he played his game? That is pretty weak.

[gnothe1]

takes less than 1 minute to download an install unlike the Ps3 updates that take almost 45 minutes.people aways try an find something to complain about.they feel they can get away with the system breaks story because the system does break but not at the hyper rate that these guys claim!! its aways something, GOW was bricking systems, all the updates,running the media extender caused the red lights. if that was the case then there wouldn't be any xboxs being played.

I think this is just a ploy(lol) to take people minds off ALL the great games that MS has coming.because since the PS3 cant beat them on fun games an online service they have to play that reliability card!! WHY HAVE GREAT GAMES WHEN THERES NO SYSTEM TO PLAY THEM ON!! well ask the same thing for the PS3!! WHY HAVE A GREAT SYSTEM WITH NO GAMES TO PLAY, isn't that the same thing!!

[MikeIsOnFire84]

I broke my $399 xbox 360 to take your mind off all the great games that are coming out!!!!

Your a douche bag.It's official.

[MikeIsOnFire84]

What makes you such a douche bag is that you think everyone in the world acts and thinks like you do. God forbig I didnt want to update beofre i play my baseball game....ohhh god no...I must be lying..who in there right mind would want to play video games on thier video game machine before they update..ohhh god the horror! FYI...I like to check video game news sites daily...so of coarse i knew what the update was going to contain...sorry that you think getting a new Dashboard blade and the Messanger bullcrap is more inportant to you than playing video games. Sorry to break it to ya knucklehead but playing the readsox in the playoffs during my franchise sounded much more appealing to me at the time than being able to INSTANT MESSAGE PEOPLE! Get life you f**king loser.....I bought my 360 to PLAY GAMES..not to message people or get excited over updates like yourslef. Check my gamer tag (mikeisonfire84)...you will see I have played nothing but arcade games since the update...MLB 2k7 was the last "DISC" game I played.

Sorry for the rant guys...It's my last bubble and I wanted people to know this IS really going on,regardless of what people like gnothe1 are trying to tell you.I'm sure some people are lying..jumping on the "Spring Update" bandwagon to try and smear M$ or get a free repair but I'm not one of them.If you do some research on the xbox forumns you will see this is becoming a bigger problem by the day.

Trust me on this one...you will be hearing ALOT more on this story as the weeks go by.

[Stunt]

Seriously, I think Microsoft has a problem updating XBOX360's. I don't think they know how. My 360 was killed twice from two different updates, with the Ring of Death. I ended up getting a refund from the store I got it from instead, because they said I had to pay like $60 dollars or something. That's bull.

When my PlayStation 3 was broken, they sent me a box, I got it within 2 days, sent it back for free, got it back in a week, brand new! My friend Matt is still waiting for his box from Microsoft, it's been around 2 weeks already he has been waiting.

[Close_Second]

Obviously MS would have put the update through its paces before releasing it so obviously their testing process is not what it should be. Its not like they have to test it on a multitude of hardware platforms and versions like they would a PC update.

However, what I find distressing is the stories of 360 owners stating that MS is requiring them to pay for damage that MS has caused. I find this disgusting. If a tradesman causes damage during a job then they are liable - not the customer!

My 360 is still under warranty and luckily the latest update has not caused any issues for me as yet. Oh yes, who else thinks a 4 week turn around for repairs is ridiculous?

[OldSchoolGamer]

is your comment. If you had a 360 and needed it replaced you would know the actual turnaround time. When I had problems, got great free support and a new 360 hooked up in under 3 weeks (was like 2 weeks and a day). So, please go buy a 360 and stop the bad lies please.

[kewlkat007]

what MS is or is not doing with these updates. I doubt they are not tested before the come out obviously.

It's like, once there is a school shooting somewhere, you get a couple of copycats, fakes, and threats by disgruntle people wanting attention.

In this case you will always have some bad apples trying to tarnish a console. While I'm not saying it's not true but we see this type of news all the time after an update or whatever and how do we verify each individual cases?

Especially gamers on here, when some I bet you don't even own the console they so support, or even own either consoles. Yeah show me a reciept or RMA # and I will have pity. Isolated cases will always be Isolated cases, and hopefully they are taken care of.

I'm not sure about MS's RMA service, while ofcourse you'll get a different story from most.

Believe or not I'm sending my Wii in for REPAIR.(shocking even to me)

I've always been lucky with my consoles, so this will be my first.

Not every

[Kuest]

Your concern is well justified. These reports of Spring-dead 360's are disturbing to say the least. I seriously doubt that the issue is as widespread as some members, like Bill Gates- who probably doesn't even HAVE a 360- or tk, would have you to believe. Still, RedSeven, your comment is very accurate since these "damage repots" often get blown out of porpotion (not that this is a small issue). Hopefully this mess gets sorted out, although I myself haven't had any problems... You have my sympathy Mikels (too bad that is all I can give- If MS doesn't believe you there isn't that much you can do)

[ACE]

this post is funny . ( full of crap)

well come to the internet :) .

sony fanboys r so so funny

[sajj316]

If you click on the names of those posted, they were on Xbox Live as recently as today afternoon (2 PM EST in the US). Maybe that just a glitch/bug on the website because it would seem illogical for 360 users to post their issues with the Spring Update just for $hits and giggles.

For those that call BS right away ... on what basis? Because your 360 works? Listen, there might be a problem. It might be an isolated case with few users getting 'bricked'. The next 3 days will be telling if more users complain of this problem.

As much as I love my 360, system reliability is important to me. I get nervous every time an update is out and I don't have a MOD-360. The system is louder than my desktop PC + PS3 combined and it crashes on me once a week. I can live with the crashes and yes I do get three red rings but a quick reboot and I'm back up.

Not once has my PS2 or PS3 choked on me (knock on wood) and I've had the PS2 since launch. There is a problem here with system reliability with the 360 and anyone that ignores it is just plain blind.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

who actually fully trusts their 360 will be working next year?

and yes i`ve had 2 die.
so i can say something about this.
ya bunch of weirdos.

@kuest.
my beloved ps3.
your right the reason ps3 lovers love it so much is simple.
IT WORKS.
IT WORKS.
IT WORKS.
IT WORKS.
IT WORKS.

is that clear enough.
cause "That is Living"

[Kuest]

my 360 to work for as long as I keep it. Does that suprise you? It has worked for the past 1 and 6 months +. Now let me ask you... do you have a 360. If not (which is probably the case) do you have any knowlege whatsoever of the FAILURE Rate of the 360s? If not than why the f@ck are you flaming just for the sake of dissing those few unfortunate 360 owners who justlost their 360. You don't have any stake, so why not post about your beloved PS 3.

[RioGrande]

For the people that had 360’s die on then I hope you get the help that you need. I haven’t had the my 360 die on me yet but It did freeze on me when I was playing GRAW 2 after the update, I hope it doesn’t die. I do believe that there is a problem with the design of the 360; I’m on my third one as well. The first keep freezing on start up and the second I got the red light of death. I’ve never had a problem with costumer service. But hey nothings perfect my PS3 has also tanked on me, it stop reading CD’s. The Wii, like my Game Cube, has never died on me.

[elliot_]

my ps2 and 1 never gave me any problem...i have the ps2 since 2004..and it is complete new...with no prob...

[LoveHateTragedy]

My PS1 still works, and I got that sucker in 1997.

[gnothe1]

well I dont believe him,think about what he said he did.how many guys in here started up there 360, got the update notice, then refused it just to play a season game of MLB.why would you refuse it.its not like you were getting bad news about the update at the time!!I was happy to get the update!! I got a launch 360 with out any problems other than the occasional freezing, which my Ps3 does sometime to.an to say you havent played a disc game, big beal!! theres time I dont feel like playing a full game so I'll play arcade games.zuma, luxor,heavy weapon so that doesnt mean crap!!

one way you can tell someone is guilty of something(stealing, LYING)is they get really offensive. not once did I insult him or call him any names, but he was quick to do it to me!! why such hostility.

[FeralPhoenix]

Does it happen?, Yes of course. Is it being exaggerated?, Yes of course. I updated, along with about 50 or so people on my friends list....NO problemO. -Again does that mean some haven't experienced problems, NO...but some have experienced problems with PS3 also, -not me personaly, and I think its clear PS3 has been very reliable so far, but the only reason M$ gets more attention/focus on every problem is because we know that its a fact that during the launch and soon after many, many people had defective consoles, so everytime there's anything that goes wrong its always ASSUMED its widespread, -hell they don't even give it time to see if its widespread, remember the video of the "supposedly" broken Elite? -lol, that vid was on every site within hours, claiming or asking "Are Elite's faulty, broken, red rings, etc.?" So I'll just take this story with another "huge" grain of salt, until we see how it plays out. oh and again MY 1 360 w/updates still works...even better now with the added features. -So by rule, this means that NO 360 has ever, ever, EVER broken. -So stop lying people, we know for sure that ALL 11 million 360's work just fine.

[RioGrande]

But I'm not lieing about being on my third unit.

[chrno6]

if this is all a lie, the why are xbox fans complaning about this on a xbox forum??? http://forums.xbox.com/1233...

[FeralPhoenix]

Hey I do believe that the update has affected some user's 360, but you kind of missed the point; which is we have to wait and see if its widespread....also posts on any forum can be exaggerated, there are many factors to consider, including that some have "modded" 360's thinking that they won't get caught and you better believe there are some who will pull stunts to get a new 360, and finally its also possible that some of them have a fanboy agenda, if you know what I mean....Can anyone create and post news on a PS3 forum?

[Edit] I believe you RioGrande, unfortunately some people did get a bad one, do you mind me asking when and where you brought it, I'm curious?

[RioGrande]

The first 360 I bought in March of 2006 it was in the second shipment. I bought that one at GameStop in Yakima, WA. It was working fine until August of 2006, I got it replaced with no problems. The second one worked until March of 2007, the red light of death. It was still under warranty but it had passed 90 day mark which covered shipping both ways so I had to pay shipping. I believe Microsoft did change the 1 year warranty policy to cover everything for the full year now. I think that’s why the extended my warranty for a full year free of charge.

[Saint Sony]

What can I say, LOL. This is like 20th episode of DESTRUCTION OF 360. This thing happens every time something GOOD is released for Xbox360.

Why have I survived all these at least 20 different xbox360 killing "events"? I guess I am really reeeeeeeeally lucky.. lol

What a lame try from some idiots.. every time the same sh!t.
Games, UI updates.. what ever.. name it and IT WILL KILL YOUR 360. Hehe.
Sorry to say, NOT gona happen. I have 2005 launch day 360, works like a charm with all the damn updates and it is in heavy use. I know it hurts someone that 360 is actually doing REALLY DAMN GOOD what comes to NEXT GEN business.

PS3 ain't bad (well, in 2008 at least).. only some fanboy users make it bad and that is just sad.

ps. I'm going to buy PS3 in 2008(if it's worth it, hopefully it is), but this year I am totally enjoying Xbox360 and several great titles.

[OldSchoolGamer]

My girlfriend's 360 is as well. Sucks if yours gets bricked, maybe there is a reason for it?

[lil bush]

me as a ps3 fan, hope u guys system starts working, all bs aside, really i think ms should take a look futher in there updates....

anyway peace......

[Saint Sony]

Same sh!t "happened" with Guitar Hero 2 and it turned out to be a bogus.

[Shadow Flare]

Tch geez haha

Anybody who believes Microsofts statement that the 360 failure rate is at 3% should be shot.

Im so glad i have a ps3. You know what, i dont mind paying extra for a console if i know it'll last me.

So microsofts own updates are destroying 360's? Recap- This isnt the first time this has happened. I
dont care if some of your 360s have been working from day 1; that doesnt mean there isnt a problem

The build quality of 360's is SH!T - FACT

[Saint Sony]

You know what, I would mind paying extra FOR NOTHING!.. that's right PS3 = NOTHING... pure air, pure promises.

What ever you say it is still nothing. You can shoot me if you want, but PS3 is still nothing, just pure promises and kids with idiot parents (who actually buys it) moan after it. People should wait a year or 2 before buying PS3, maybe then it's something more than just nothing. Currently it's NOTHING. Poor Sony.

[TheXgamerLive]

This is just making you all look more and more stupid.

[23478ueyur_938223]

I agree that PS3 fanboys making up stories is stupid, but realize that some of the posters here with that problem are totally pro360. So don't get all off on the wrong foot.

Currently I know no one who had a problem with this update personally.

@ The guy below me:
Yeah, they also bought the system and purposely broke it so they could get pics of it, right? Then got replacements and returned them and went back to playing the Wii or PS3.

Don't be such an idiot, clearly there is a problem, although perhaps not as bad as PS3 fanboy would have you believe. <--If you were joking don't take this the wrong way, I just realized that you may have been.

Nevermind. I can see that you were simply mocking the original poster. My bad...

[chrno6]

How come there are no or little complaints about how the wii or the ps3 is breaking? o no I guess all the ps3 and wii fanboys sign up on xbox forums in order to make up stories about the problem lol.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

32 people ROFLMAO 32 You Sony fans found 32 RINGS OF DEATH 32 oh my f**king god 32 people got rings after the update 32 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Are you Sony fans really that desperate that you looked up 32 people out of the 12 million or more 360 owners?

I had to take a screenshot of this to use it against you idiots on future post. This is about as pathetic and week as when you guys started crying about DMC4 and signed a petition.

I sent this url to all my friends on Live just so they can come see this and laugh at the desperation of Sony droids.

Fony fans get back on your street corner you dirty ho’s don’t you know this side is for high class. 360 is your pimp now get you’re a$$ back over there before the 360 b!tch slaps you so hard that you go back into your daddies balls. That’s right run back over to the gutter slut side and to your cheep tricks.

32 people are you freaking kidding me, does it really suck that bad over on the Sony side LOLOL 32

When you guys get up in the mourning you need to open up you a box of Pathetic O’s, where every spoon full gives you a mouthful of wholesome bullsh!t. Pathetic O’s are a fun shaped cereal, that when laid out spell the word S T U P I D and it comes with a cheap plastic toy in every box a PS3. Now on to the legal stuff PS3 in each box are not guarantied to come with games but we have a lot of movies for you to select from, for only $600 a box.

All the attachments below are for you Fony fans.

[99]

Your Post worries me.

You need to seriously calm down, one day you might be found dead in front of your keyboard because of a heart attack/stroke.

Just relax, take a deep breath, and calm down.

[Rockstar]

I'm really starting to hate fanboys,

Second....What are you 12 years old?

And third....For a guy who is throwing the word stupid around in his post it sure is full of spelling mistakes,
For example...
week = weak
you're = your
mourning = morning
spoon full = spoonful
guarantied = guaranteed

I'm tired of fanboys, stop hating on consoles.

[ironwolf]

going back tomorrow, I downloaded the update this afternoon, then setup the download for the Forza2 demo and left for dinner.

When I got back I fired up the demo and guess what? It worked, and on a release day system, no less.

Will wonders never cease?

[Bathyj]

Reading through all these responses I think the update bricking story is mostly bullsh*t. Most likely afew machines suffered if at all.

I also see alot of people who love their Xboxes in total denial about its reliablity. Alot of heads in sand that just dont want to hear from people who actually have had troubles. Its not all Sonyfanboys spreading FUD you know?

Tell you what, if you've got your same X360 in 5 years and it works,
I'll buy you all a Coke.

[TotalEklypz]

I got an elite when it came out and after the update mine turns on by itself.

[Pheneus]

I love videogames, but this is getting to be ridiculous.

[bung tickler]

hmmm. i highly doubt 99% of the post about people who's xbox broke and "m$ said i have to pay $89073429347298.74 to have it fixed" EVERY time i have called M$ customer support for ANYTHING be it arcade games showing as only demos when not connected to xbl, to hardware issues, to account management stuff they have always bent over backwards for me... i call bs. just typical mud slinging.

[LoveHateTragedy]

You'd think MS, the mightiest of all software companies, could at least get these patches down. "i am dealing with the same issue now! i've called cust service and they want me to pay 140$ to have it repaired i've spent hours on the phone. this is obviously a microsoft issue and it should be fixed for free."

Then again, it's convenient that a lot of people have to spend $140 to fix their consoles after this update. All that cash flowing in will definitely boost Microsoft's quarterly revenue.

[FeralPhoenix]

Bathyj I don't think most of us are in total denial about 360's reliability, but I do think most 360 owners think its being exaggerated at this point....even your own common sense tells you that there is some BS'in going on, and there are creditable examples of it. Also do you think that their is a lot more scrutiny on M$ because of past reliability issues? LoveHate, Hey I'm just curious; When and where did you buy your 360? Thanks for the response RioGrande, I was just wondering if a rumor I heard had any validity.

[Bathyj]

But I still also think alot of diehard fans are still acting like there isn't a real problem and when you try to say there is your just a Sonyfanboy or a Xbox Basher.

Like I hinted at, how confident are you that you will have the same Xbox in 5 years?

And like I've said before if Sony fans ARE spreading FUD and exagerating the problem, maybe M$ should finally step forward with some real numbers and let us know for sure. I mean why dont they?

Call me cynical but if the numbers were lower than expected I'm pretty sure they would be bragging from the rooftops about it. That only leads me to believe the numbers are worse than thought.

You're a reasonable Guy Feral, as I try to be too, what do you think?

[LoveHateTragedy]

I've had my Xbox for quite some time now, but I'm not confident enough to purchase a 360. Lack of compelling titles + Risk of bricking hasn't done much to boost my confidence (though I really want to run Halo 2 in hi-res) You can catch me on Xbox Connect, Halo 2. My username is DJ_John. I'm also on Killzone once in a while with the same username.

I'm still saving up for my PS3 (I was close, but had to invest in CD copyrights and publishing).

[darktick]

Has anybody thought about that maybe the 360's that are locking up are the ones of people who are game saving? If that is the case then I say GOOD! I hate cheaters and it would be about time Microsoft stepped up and took care of this issue. P.S. SONY SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Droidbro]

how come every time an update comes out there is a story about how it kills every 360 on earth.

[hfaze]

I'm curious as to how many of the bricked 360's were running the hacked DVD firmware. THAT would make sense with updates constantly killing 360's.

Things like this are why I will only buy consoles from EB Games or GameStop... Their no-questions-asked extended warranty is GREAT!!!

[BIadestarX]

I'm still on my lauch xbox 360 unlike the PS3 which I'm on my 5th and it keep overheating and melting down. J/K. I never owned a PS3... but that's all it takes for someone to spread rumors. First of all, if the 360 dies and you don't have an extended warranty (2 years like $60) the 360 comes with a 1 year warranty... and you don't have to pay not even shipping. Once microsoft fixes the console, it automatically gives you another year warranty in case it breaks again... So, NO to the fool that ask how people will be paying microsoft to fix the console. The answer is NOTHING.

Also, I said it the day the Update was released. Some xbox hater will come and come up with these stories.. well.. here we are. Predictable.

[Bathyj]

But then I read on. Nothing wrong with a joke Dude, and I see your point.

Be well.

[nice_cuppa]

consoles that have died on me =

1 x atari jaguar
3 x ps1's ( last 1 works now but i have to turn it upside down !)
2 x ps2's
1 x game boy colour

!!!!

thats it !

my nes, snes, saturn, dreamcast, n64, gamecube, xbox, megadrive, mastersystem II, nomad, ps3 and 360 are all fine !

not sure if anyone cares but there you go !

[Bhai]

...looks like this:

http://media.xbox360.ign.co...

and THEN kills its appplication system too, its called exploiting the dead, HeeHeeHee. What else could be expected from the incompetent MS.

[tk]

Well - I checked our local CNA store that have both a PS3 and XB360 display booth. Took photos of it - and guess which one has the "out of order" sign pasted over it?

Guess they ran the update. But seriously now - I think the XBox fans must chill out a bit. They are making all kinds of strange accusations against other people when the evidence on the XB forums are piling up. Don't be defensive - it makes you look stupid.

By now it is a known fact that the XB360 is one of the worst build consoles that bricks for any reason. But much of the problems seems to be heat related. Actually very easy to fix. Seems on some forums the one guy claimed he fixed six machines in his area by taking out the motherboard and replacing the insulation - and that it stopped the red ring of death.

What the XB360 fans should do is to start a petition to get MS to do that bit of work for free. Seems like they were a bit tightfisted and skimped with a very simple part. Force them to fix it. Since nearly everyone seems to be sending their XB360 back for repairs at least once during its lifetime, get them to fix it proper.

[FadeToBlack]

It had already been updated a few days ago so i dont think that was that cause. Needless to say I am very pissed off because its over a year old so its out of warrenty. Manufacture date: Novermber 2005.
I guess i'll have to pay for it to be fixed meanwhile I will buy the elite.

[Maddens Raiders]

...so you're 360 Faded to Black? sorry couldn't help it.

[AudioRage]

Ive never had any difficulty with my xbox360, and no doubt if i had id need to buy a new one cus its a great system. But it really worries me that someday it might break, i know there is a certain element of truth to these things. But People post all these things providing absolutely no evidence, id honestly say there are so many fanboys that wud actually go to length to do this to both companies. Which is horrible because its seriously damaging reputations of companies, which is negative for the games industry as a whole

[Dogswithguns]

"the link to xbox's forum" Yeah, their were quite a few people having this spring update proplems.....
Sucks, but Im sure they will get it fixed soon tho.

[TrenchaunT]

Every error is always blown out of proportion. First off, we need a good poll to really know how common these problems are. A problem always seems more common than it is because, of course, you're only going to complain if you have a problem. Second, it's only been a week since the update came out.

It would be better if there were no problem at all, and a smaller and better organized company than Microsoft might have been able to fix any problems right away, but as it is we just need to give them time. I'm sure they tested the update plenty before it was rolled out, but if they tested it 1000 times and the error only happens in 1 out of 10,000 consoles, they still would be unlikely to find the error. When it comes to programming, quite often the only way to find errors is after the public comes accross them.

And it's not like their entire staff is going to drop everything on a weekend and go work round the clock to fix an error at the first forum post. It takes a while to be sure that it's really an error and not just user stupidity (the most common source of computer errors). And like bladestar said, rumors can be started by people who just hate the xbox.

[consolecrusader]

What kills me are the XB fans trying to defend the fact that M$ does indeed have a problem with their hardware.....

[Saint Sony]

Yeah and PS3 fans writing all kind of made up negative sh!t on forums, just because they're bored. No GAMES to play, except some random next gen wanna be crap. I feel sorry for you.

[Maddens Raiders]

that I hear beat the collective mantra of, "I've had mine for _____ months and it has never _________." There is an overwhelming and undeniable amount of owners that are having problems. I can see how this frustrates true MS fanboys, because hearing or seeing bad news about your system reflects on "you?" somehow, right?lol

a/w reality is perception and the perception is that MS hardware blows acid chunks. Don't believe me just ask the BBC and the millions who've been slayed by the ring of death.

Would you like to report this problem to Microsoft? [*Yes] [*NO]

Cheers

[WaCkY_MuNkY]

thats what it said under my hard drive after i updated

[id dot entity]

No problems over here. Thank god.

[drag0n]

I have yesterday from the problem with my elite that only has 12 days of bought was playing pgr3 and at the moment the textures of the city went away, esteem a window alongside straight of the screen because the machine not to be able to read that disc but that I put any I even dial says open tray all along

[fishy1]

my ps3 died right after I got the 360 update. I am so pissed at sony now.