COD4 Gamers Outraged

Infinity Ward recently created a new patch for Call of Duty 4:Modern Warfare. What was it, and why has this "ticked off" gamers?

[Raf1k1]

How can you complain about it if u cheat?

I don't see anything bad about this patch.

[mrv321]

But people can pull the trigger quicker than the patch allows. So you in effect stopping people with skill from being as skillful.

[MisfitSmurf]

i cant even play the game anymore :/ whenever i try to join a game or party i get "downloading game settings" and it just stays on that screen.

[kalebgray92]

unless you like arcadish games then this is fine.... nothing wrong with this patch

[KRUSSIDULL]

Gears of War 2 need a patch for its hammerburst modded control cheaters can unleash all ammo at once on a target relly frustrating.

[Winter47th]

Smurf, this's a constant pain even before the patch, but it's easy to fix, restart your router.

Gray, COD4 isn't even 'trying' to be realistic.

[MisfitSmurf]

i've tired it.
restarted the router, changed from wireless to wired, etc. cant get it to work.

[flash74]

I think this patch is long overdue. Is sucks that it slows down the legit players with a fast trigger finger, but let's face it, the number of modders far and away exceeds skilled players who really love using semi's. COD4 has been plagued by these idiots, and the only blame for this lays at there feet. I hope they feel there way-overpriced cheat controller was worth it. Hopefully, they implement this in MW2, with maybe a slightly shorter delay to try and appease those of us skilled enough to fire that fast.

[BulletToothtony]

i had the exact same problem as you.. i went to restart my router AND modem...

Leave them both unplugged for 30 seconds and it should work.. i can't believe that worked.. cause i could play killzone2 no problem.. anyhow.. good luck and let us know if it works..

[Deputydon]

How does spraying with a pistol take skill?

[evrfighter]

I scrimmed with guys who used scripts for this on the pc. It absolutely makes no difference skill wise in a scrim or match. What does take skill is consistent 1click's.

1 shot 1 kill.

Do console gamers suck that much to the point where they'd need this?

[Deputydon]

In Short, Yes, yes they do.

[CaptainKratos]

that sucks!!! i always use the G3 and my finger is pretty fast!!! legit!!!no cheating especially with the G3!!!! Man this sucks!!!....wait i dont even play COD4 anymore.lol. but if i did this would just ruin it for me.boo.

[mfwahwah]

@1.3

Martyrdom is unrealistic.

You know what else is unrealistic? Getting shot 5 times, then hiding behind a crate, then getting shot 5 times, then hiding behind a crate, then... you get it.

This game isn't an advanced murder simulator. It's a video game.

[Max Power]

martyrdom is that it is realistic if the person has the grenade in their hand with out the pin while shooting, and when they die they drop the nade, that is the gist of it.

[andron]

With the amount of cheaters in Cod4 online recently, they probably made up a quick fix without thinking it all the way through.

I wonder how their support on CoD4 will be when MW2 drops?

[shadow2797]

Weapons balancing anyone? It doesn't really matter if you cheat or not, when the semi-auto weapons fire too fast, they create a severe advantage and you end up with gameplay that is unbalanced. IW released a patch intending to balance things a bit.

Personally, I like using the weaker weapons. One, because I want to get all the challenges (which many of you have probably already done). Two, because it's a challenge.

If you're angry, maybe you should aim a bit more carefully with the fewer shots you have.

[vhero]

If you leave because of this patch your either a cheater or need to grow up!

[Sarcasm]

Man, things like this makes me embarrassed to be a gamer.

Whatever happen to the good old days when you just played a game? No constant b*tching and whining about every tiny minuscule change.

[Bob Loblaw]

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[mfwahwah]

@1.14

100% of the time though? Yeah, it can be explained realistically, but it's not realistic, in my eyes.

[Gen0Noob]

It also means that no matter how fast you pull the trigger, its only going to fire so fast.

[killa91606]

I can do the 6 Burst M16 Shot Now :)

[josh14399]

i see nothing wrong with this patch. its a good thing because it reduces cheaters. and who cares if you cant shoot the gun as fast because if you are accurate at shooting you wont need to shoot so fast anyway

[tdogchristy90]

I agree with you completely. It just means that it's more "realistic" and forcing you to be more skilled. I personally don't play online but I definately do think that this is a good thing. One you get rid of hackers and two you make it so people can't take "advantage" of the controls by spamming, which you could argue is a form of hacking. It just makes it more realistic, even, and more simpler gameplay.

[morganfell]

I am ambivalent about the patch as I haven't played the game in some time.

But it is not realistic. Unless in a move to break contact, such as an Australian Peel, even Elite units engage with semi-auto fire. The standard is to double tap each target and then index the next target. When the last target is down you re-index previous targets.

In more extreme cases a failure drill is used. A failure drill is where the target fails to go down so you fire a double tap center mass and a third rapid fire round to the head. A well trained person will make this sound almost like a 3 round burst.

There is a big difference between a double tap and what is known as a controlled pair. A controlled pair is two single shots separated by time as the sight picture is realigned. In a double tap you use one sight picture for both shots. Though a controlled pair is slower it is still faster than 5 seconds when conducted by a well trained individual. This phrase:

Pop pause Pop

takes longer to read than a controlled pair does to be fired.

IW's intent was sound but their execution is flawed.

[tdogchristy90]

this issue id have isn't with double tapping it's more with when people use the controller in such a way that allows them to get around certain things. Kind of like a hacker using software to get around something but instead your using hardware (the controller) to get around something. I.E. spamming the hell out of a button.

[morganfell]

The fact is now you can no longer double tap. If you can't do that then it certainly isn't realistic. It isn't realistic to fire single shots together as in a double tap with a .5 second pause unless you are Sniping. Even then with systems such as an SPR-80 it may occur you are in a situation where you are rapidly engaging short range (300m or less) targets. There isn't an SPR-80 in the game, I am merely pointing out that even with sniping the right situation requires faster than .5 second paused shots.

You said that IW's patch made things more realistic and that isn't the case. Preventing double taps and even controlled pairs removes realism. Yes it stops the hackers but it removes realism.

Having to use full auto weapons if you want more than 1 round every .5 seconds certainly is far outside the realm of realism. What IW, like most other devs fail to realize is that situations balance a game, not weapons. There was a better way to handle this and IW blew it.

[thor]

Morganfell it's POINT 5 seconds, as in, half a second.

Still a little long but not as extreme as you're making out!

[danielle007]

I thought it was .5 second..

It's decent, imo, I have a friend with a modded controller, and I hope he's crying over this. :)

[tdogchristy90]

The average reaction time is .30 seconds, only .20 seconds off of the .5 seconds. Thus this really should be much of an issue

[morganfell]

I know it is POINT 5 seconds. Excuse the punctuation. I am not being extreme as .5 seconds is the difference between life and death. And I meant to say - and have edited in the point - you conduct a failure drill in less than .5 seconds.

And the reaction time you mention is for the unskilled. Skilled military shooters are a bit faster.

It's machts nichts as the issue isn't reaction time, it is the time it takes to put out rounds once reaction has begun.

[danielle007]

I'm not a nitpicker, I was pretty sure you meant .5, but I wasn't sure.

And it's not that big of a time lag, but I guess it could put a cramp on the uber elite, but I think it's better to put a tiny cramp on the small minority of the uber elite in order to squash out all cheaters.

I mean, I think my friend with the modded controller is pathetic, and to cramp his style of pretending to be uber elite, seems definitely worth it. :)

[XBLGT B1GMACNFR1ES]

well shes informed plus who wouldnt agree lol

[mega BIG time]

i think youre in love!

[morganfell]

danielle007,

I agree if it had to be one or the other then it would be better to cramp the hackers. But I don't believe it was necessary. Had the balance have been correct in the first place and real military advisor been on board - Kersey is a joke, an Officer that was used to sitting on his butt, and everyone at Bragg knew this. They should have hired the guy that was doing work for Ubisoft.

[danielle007]

I can see that, morgan.

But, just look on the bright side, those pathetic kids with the modded controllers are much more upset than you are right nows. Just keep their tears in mind & cheer up, buttercup. :]

[morganfell]

If you look at my quote from 4.2 you'll see why it doesn't affect me in the least :)

[XBLGT B1GMACNFR1ES]

'i think youre in love!' lol

[DARK WITNESS]

it can be annoying to the legit players and it does make a difference.

for example. I use the M16 most of the time, and while most of the time one shot is a kill, when you got lag going on + juganoob, quite often you do find you need to be fast and fire more then one shot/burst.

with the m16, i use to be able to take out 3 - 4 guys if i was in a night spot, point shoot, point shoot, point shoot... but now i usually only end up killing 2 at most before the third gets me, i mean by the time he shoots me i am aiming at thim, but limited by my shots i just can't fire fast enough to get the kill. its annoying because i know technically i was faster and would have taken him out.

however, is much as it is a little hold back, i prefer it to letting the noobs with modded pads run free and spoil the game for everyone.

what i have noticed as well is the shot guns seem to be more powerfull. I don't know if its just me, but i seemed to be getting killed more and more by people with shot guns from half way cross the map.

[kevinx1000]

aw, i liked spamming my desert eagle.

[thetruthinator]

Yeah that was the best. If only they could work in some sort of a patch that recognized rhythmic shooting ( modded controllers) instead of slightly erratic shooting (people), what a wonderful world it would be.

[Pandamobile]

I love using the mouse wheel to shoot on the PC version. That + G3 = awesome.

[Raf1k1]

Never tried that.

I think I'll give it a go.

[matchgrade]

Have you ever written a single post without the word "PC" in it?

[dkgshiz]

A serious one? If not call me sometime :) lol, seriously do you make love with your PC or something?

[Pandamobile]

Are you guys that insecure that I can't mention the PC platform in multiplatform game news?

It's not like I come in here and say something completely irrelevant to the subject.

Grow up.

[likedamaster]

Funny stuff guys, bubbles for all.

[skatezero246]

it should say cod4 hackers outraged lol damn cheaters piss me off

not saying if I get owned online that people are cheating but if your flying through the air and sh!t on cod4 then it's kind of obvious

[BX81]

LOL!!! They have capes on as well. The sad part is this happened because people don't know how to not cheat. If every one kept a fair game in mind they would have to step in and create a patch. Maybe next time gamers will think about the future when they decide to cheat, but not likely.

[skatezero246]

agreed

[Halo_Reach]

i talked about with 200 different people while playing Domination.

Only 5 didnt care the rest is a little upset maybe 90% of those rest used modded controlers...they see their moded controlers uselss now...

LoL

Than i switch to Halo where was 350k online and i talk with Cod4 guys there to in MLG all of them said "The games is better coz now cheaters cant cheat and the fire rate is exactly where its should be".

Well , there´s like 14 milions Xbox Live Cod4 players ... Forums are a minority and are only like 500k if that much in all foruns combined of gaming news...

Active member sure...

[PlayStation X]

you should change your name to Halo_Retarded.

[Tr10wn]

What you are mad because you can use your modded controller? You should change yours to PlayStation Xtard

[Xlll]

Come up with your own joke.

[PlayStation X]

why would i be mad? i dont play cod.

[SSCOOLCHEA]

it does

[NRG]

They'll probably bump it down a bit like the article suggested if enough people are angry.

[Stryfeno2]

PS3 issues has been none stop this week...LMAO must off being the weight loss the PS3 had.

[ZombieAutopsy]

wow way to spin it the article said Xbox360 and Ps3 douche bag.

[Marquis_de_Sade]

You've lost me Patchstation

[talltony]

"However, after their recent patch of Call of Duty 4 for the XBOX 360 and Playstation 3, gamers are outraged."

[ZombieAutopsy]

ha good i hated watching kill cam to see a fully auto g3 kill me.

[Silly gameAr]

Sounds like the patch was effective. Now Epic, about Gears of War 2....

[GameOn]

Gears 2 had it's patch and is good to go. You should try it sometime.

[outlawlife]

gears 2 is far from good to go...i finally gave up on it and sold it

complete lost cause on that game

[Rampaged Death]

Whoever is upset/angry about the patch is a n00b and cheat end of.

[cyberwaffles]

i haven't had any problems with this patch as far as the gameplay goes but it feels like i get disconnected more often than i use to.

[LukaX23]

It's good and bad for me because whenever I ran into those people who use modded controllers, I wished the game didn't allow them to shoot that fast. Then again, I can shoot really fast without a modded controller and don't like being limited to how fast I can really shoot. Let's see where Infinity Ward goes from here.

[keysy420]

you guys should be playing killzone or someothe shooter by now. call of duty 6 is coming out

[spartan112g]

Good games live forever, something PS3 players would not know.

[Mikerra17]

Gran Turismo, God of war I II soon to be III, uncharted Drakes Fortune, RFOM, Almost all the Final Fantasy, MGS series

I could easily go on for days but i think ive proved my point and wasted enough time on a person like you

[Tr10wn]

Follow S p a r t a n 1 1 2 g BTW just letting you know that FF and MGS series are now multiplats and that Uncharted suck.

Remember Spartan112g

[Xlll]

@sanad
You never play uncharted so you have no say. Also PS3 users have to many AAA games to play to stay stuck one one game. I guess its all you 360 fan boys have. Must be sad.

[outlawlife]

it doesn't bother me at all, it simply levels the field of play

i've only played for a couple hours after the patch and honestly i didn't know what the patch actually did until the next day

the majority of those who are angry at those who have their little modded controllers, the real players don't care that much because there is no need to fire the semi autos that fast unless you are cheating

[corywebb93]

Ps3 owners must be outraged that they dont have eny good exclusives to play got the yellow light off death and sony is charging them 400 dollars to fix it
and most are fat 35 year old and depressed

[maruchan27six]

Who do you think will believe that?

[PlayStation X]

i think most people would rather be fat and depressed. than be like you.

[spartan112g]

@Playstation X

Why is everything you say so retarded?

[Tr10wn]

and still people agree with him.

[dkgshiz]

Have to be the biggest noobs of all times. COD4 is one of the easiest shooters of all time.

[jdktech2010]

Spray and pray is for Halo......if you need to fire that much, you're playing the game wrong

I'm all for reducing cheating because it's bad enough when people can one shot you with a sniper rifle when they're on the run......still not sure how he did that

Anyway, kudos to IW for cutting down on cheating...why you pay $60 just to cheat is beyond me

[dkgshiz]

Ive seen many people use the M60 with double tap doing it rambo style. Then I usually just flank them from the right or left then come up and knife them.

[Marquis_de_Sade]

Spray and pray certainly isn't for Halo if you want to compete at even a remotely decent level.

[ddurand1]

its not only for the cheaters idiots. the more skillful players are adversely effected

[BX81]

Good! Finally. Thats what happens when you mod and ruin the game for others. Now IW has to step in to ensure you don't cheat. The only people to be mad at are the modders with the dumb @$$ controllers. I hate rolling up on a sniper just for the sensativity to be turned up all the way, then they do a ridiculous 180 and fire a pistol from hell.

[STONEY4]

Wait. Does this mean I can't do burst fire by tapping R1 really fast with the M60E4? That was like my ultimate weapon since I have an extremely fast finger... almost no recoil that way. Or does this only effect the weapons which aren't automatic, like pistols and the G3?

[EL Lanf]

Almost certainly its limited to the semi-automatic weapons, though I haven't tried myself. From what I've seen in the weapons files, semi-auto weapons and automatic alike just have one thing capping the speed they fire at, and doing the change they did would make automatic weapons fire too.

Your M60 should be safe.

[EL Lanf]

Though I have COD4 on the PC, where mouse clicking is faster than the shoulder buttons, the .5 second thing does seem a fair bit slower than you could click... They should have probably went with the COD2 timings of 0.12 - 0.135, maybe even 0.2-0.25 for consoles.

The speed before was definetely unrealistic, being able to fire upto 20 times a second, faster than most other guns in the game, as well as haing additional power.

COD4 certainly has a lot of weird decisions with the weapons though. Making the snipers all the same damage, then claiming they're no on the stats bar, was one of the stranger ones though.

[Bren86]

lol "filled with elite gamers".........yeah right.

[XXHUNTER63XX]

This is great no more modded G3's, those things were beast when they where modded.

[ddurand1]

youre obviously not one, or youd be able to tell the difference.

[Mr Face Creamer]

Activision and IW are both forming a faction to make gamers bend down for "justice".

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

Ummmm....? patchstation this patch effects both 360 and PS3 owners you dumb idiot why don't you read the article.

But anyway's do people still play COD4? the game sucked after 1 month of owning people online, it got boring so quickly.

[spartan112g]

Playstation fanboys never read the article. CoD 4 is still one of the most played games right now.

[Xlll]

@spartan actually it's the other way around.
Case in point "What you are mad because you can use your modded controller? You should change yours to PlayStation Xtard"

If this 360 fanboy spent more time reading instead of stealing lame jokes he'd know it effects PS3 users as well.

Take a seat.

[na2ru1]

This was admittedly too good even from hip firing.

[Deputydon]

What the hell does it matter? It's not like your the only person that can't fire as fast. It's the same for everybody. Shut the hell up and get used to it.

Jesus. Only CoD kids whine this much.

[jack who]

oh fvck me i knew sumthing was wrong after dlowing that patch ...now i use the G3 all the time( and for the love of god its already slow) but i still get 30+ kills but last night i was getting "RAPED" hard couldnt even get 10 kills.

[mario888]

This seems to be Infinity Ward's solution to the Rapid fire mod controllers. I have not played COD since K2 came out so I'll have to see if it also affects those who have fast fingers.

Right now you have auto aim assist which helps the average player against better player and now you have the rapid fire control patch with equalizes the playing field even more.

Well now this game is even easier for less elite twitchy player than before and I'm sure it will sell even more, Less skill but more fun = More sales, LOL.

COd take skill to play that's why they play it in the MLG league. LOL!!!

Noobs thinking MLG is the equivalent of MLB, NBA or NFL is even funnier.

[jack who]

"Right now you have auto aim assist which helps the average player against better player and now you have the rapid fire control patch with equalizes the playing field even more."

am sorry but auto aim helps very lil when you are using a G3 and you got MP5 whores coming at you

[spartan112g]

Do you even read what you type?

[mario888]

COD is a twitch game with a lot of auto aim. You either camp, run around and just pull your gun up. The the auto aim then takes over.

Jack wrote:
am sorry but auto aim helps very lil when you are using a G3 and you got MP5 whores coming at you.

Jack, you need to camp farther away and pop them before they get close enough to you. The auto aim should allow you a fighting chance if you have a quick trigger. Oh wait, they just modified the G3.

[jack who]

i hate campers

[jax07]

People are mad because the reason they play games like this is because they are easy and can be exploited like this.Now that they cant do this they are very upset.

[DiLeCtioN]

are going round about how the xbox 360 will be receiving exclusive maps, whereas the PS3 will get...u guessed it nothing.

I have over 10msgs of the same subject, that's another outrage towards Infinity ward i guess.

[Pizza]

Good patch, I really hate to play with cheaters who claim they have fast fingers.Those loser only ruin the game. Good poatch.

[ZBlacktt]

People are pissed REALLY because they were cheating and paid $160 for a damn modded controller. This write up is crap compared to the real reasons. The game had so many cheaters in it. Player's just thought they were good. It really sucks playing legit now huh kids?

I only wish more Devs would follow suit and FIX their online games. They are most all corrupt with lag switch users and glitchers.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Hmm...If it's TOO slow than you are effectively stopping skillful players from having their competitive advantage. That's kinda lame

[qwertyuiopasdfghjkl]

Its COD. A mainstream FPS. The real goal of Infinity is to give little billy a more enjoyable experience.

Because nobody likes jumping into a game, getting their ass handed to them left and right.

[PS360PCROCKS]

true. lol. but I still got my ass handed to me a number of times and my names william, dammit, I guess I am little billy lmao. Oh well, I still got my ass kicked in quite a few matches by people who I swear have heat seeking bullets. I couldn't figure out HOW they saw me...

[Jamaicangmr]

Just popped it in and updated to be honest i really don't see the big deal and am pretty quick with the D.Eagle. Most of who are complaining are probably the ones who caused them to send out the patch in the first place.

[Violentine]

I've noticed my pistol fires slower than before, I thought my finger became slower, and I always get killed when I am using pistol against automatic weapons. i don't mind people using turbofire controller, at all because I could beat turbo controller cheaters with my regular controller before the patch. this patch is simply stupid.

[qwertyuiopasdfghjkl]

I never agreed with people mapping the shoot button with their mouse wheel. BUT!

Go ahead and double click something on your desktop. That double click most people do on an everyday basis takes less than a half a second to do. I'd argue it takes .25 seconds to execute.

Now when I scroll my wheel twice, a process which takes roughly a second, the result is around 20 inputs, 10 per finger swipe. Thats double the amount it takes to physically click these with the left pointer.

So in reality, this update is extremely overkill, and utterly pointless. I played COD4 on the PC for god knows how many hours. I could have played professionally for christ's sake. Problem with these wheel mappers is they cant aim for ****, so a whole clip of DE gets wasted with one scroll.

Way to go Infinity, try not to fudge up MW2 with this idiotic update, else you'll find a mutiny on your hands.

-End Argument

[matchgrade]

Big deal. Cool your ego, pick an automatic, and be done with it.

Your ability to show off with a semi-automatic weapon is a small price to pay to weed hackers out of the game.

[TheblackBanana]

@ ZBlacktt ya man i totally agree but when i played Cod Mw i never played with any of those people i guess i must have just been lucky.

[mangu116]

Can anybody help me with this
I play Killzone,gt4,lostplanet,
but cod4 freeze when i click play online

[Ninji]

PS3 owners already have better shooters. I think only shooterbox360 fanboys care about this 2 year old game. It's not like they have anything else to play.

[glennc]

another educated comment by a PS3fanboy. you guys wait 10 years for a decent FPS and when you finally get one you make yourselves look like immature d!cks referencing that same game over and over.

guess what, both consoles have better online games than COD, it's called battlefield.

[The Iron Sheik]

Whaah I can't cheat anymore whaah!! I paid $100 for a modded controller cause I suck and can't win without cheating whaah!

[Thoreau]

that generous auto aim should have been patched. i try and hold down a 2.07 kill death ratio (psn-southpaw79---anytime...) i get so angry trying to stalk a sniper, and i get killed by a jumping up and down sniper #5 that happened to turn around after a teammate activated a "uva".

[glennc]

finally. they need to fine tune it a bit but this is great news for console FPS. i hope this is wide spread in future and it puts those low-life scumbag controller modders out of business.

made my day!

[glennc]

i like how this also screws up mouse clicking. brings everyone kicking and screaming back to a fair game.

your turn DICE

[ENVi3]

reminds me of Resistance 2, when they added the weapon switch delay, meaning if you ran out of bullets you couldn't immediately switch your weapon to keep firing atleast, and it sucked ... but people got used to it.

[Shmotz]

That was mostly to fix the melee glitch where people could kill with 2 quick melee hits. I disliked it at first but like you said I got used to it. Tbh I havent noticed it in CoD4 yet.

[n4gno]

Can't play that game anymore, after killzone all fps consoles are so 2007 (not only from a graphic point of view)

[jeseth]

...and going back to MW and COD W@W for a bit, you'd be amazed at how easy COD is compared to KZ2. The Auto Aim is INSANE in COD...you almost don't even have to have any skill whatsoever. I went and played W@W with a silenced MP40 and just ran around asylum mowing people down with the auto aim.

KZ2 makes you a better COD player.

[ATm32]

I sold it after Killzone 2 released ..

tbh , I dont see anything special about CoD series ..

[Ninjamonkey]

I dont see the point tbh...

I dont use any other controller, just the standard dualshock, but i have a quick trigger finger which meant I could use the G3 as it if were automiatic whcih made it brilliatnt close range, same goes for pistols.

Now though it seems slower, which means for me many guns have become useless at any range apart from long.

[RAVEN81]

i sold this game cuz of cheater and if they do it to mw2 ill sell that to . cheater and hacker and most of all modder are going to fu*k the gaming ind just like the music ind .

[Naikori]

I tried this out at a friends house and it does get kind of annoying. But, if this helps out with the hackers who ruin the game, then I see no problem with it.

[divideby0]

will this be in MW, that is what I would like to know...but it does not sound that bad.....I hate COD online, but SP is great..

[jeseth]

I recently went back to COD4 to get the feel of the game back in preparation for MW2. The first week back I couldn't even finish a game without seeing someone with a modded controller, flying around a scree, or skipping across the screen without taking any bullet damage.

The only people that are really mad about this are cheaters. SO, thanks Infinity Ward! Way to put the cheating losers in their place.

[djcosta]

what r u all talking about? even i can pull the trigger in less than 0.5 sec! of course they need to fix it in less than 0.20 secs because some people can be even faster!!! it makes an issue to fast&good players of COD....i see that nobody even mentions that people cheat in another way too..the other day i saw someone on COD4 flying on buildings and being un-killable! THIS IS THE ULTIMATE CHEATING! and not the rapid fire controllers and crap...

[cardgenius]

Good. F**k them turbo controller, cheatin ass mofos. Thats why I stopped playing that damn game. Got tired of being killed by some with automatic pistol fire.