Kojima: Peace Walker and Rising teams "are not good friends."

According to Hideo Kojima, the two separate teams working on Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker and Metal Gear Solid: Rising "are not really good friends." In a GamePro exclusive interview with Kojima at GamesCom, the creator of the Metal Gear Solid franchise said the reason they are not good friends is because the Rising team has access to more money and is working with higher-end technology and hardware specs. "That's the one reason why they are not good friends," said Kojima.

Is the Peace Walker PSP team envious of the Rising team? Pretty much. "If you could imagine the PSP team looking at the Rising team," explained Kojima, "they have all the money and specs."

[wxer]

with no Kojima in MGS:R
the game have a big chance to suck big

well
thanks for ruining the game for us Microsoft

im sure the PW team well work harder than the MGS:R team
just to make them look like fools

and because they got Kojima

[Saaking]

Rising is nothing but a spinoff. I'll play it because it Kojima, but Peace Walker is the REAL thing.

[Cold 2000]

360 version for me !
I prefer the 360 pad.

[Saaking]

The 360's dpad is the worst ever. I hope you're kidding you sad little bot. Enjoy the spinoff since you'll NEVER play what you bots really wanted, the masterpiece that is MGS4.

[BBCnewsrocks]

Competition is always good. Hopefully this makes the peace walker team try and out-do the MG:R team. Just to prove they are the best, even with inferior hardware to work with : )

[PirateThom]

The Peace Walker team made MGS4... I don't think there's any danger of them being out done by Kojima Production's junior/b team.

[BBCnewsrocks]

Oh no, I don't doubt them one bit. But I have a feeling that they will try extra hard to make Rising look pale in comparison to PW.

[Avenged Sevenfold]

I shall now give a bubble to whoever has a Bleach avatar. Greatest show ever. Nice Hollchigo. =)

[LordMarius]

Bleach sucks it takes forever to get to the main point

On topic: I would rather have MGS5 then either of these two

[morganfell]

The Peacewalker team has the best piece of tech - Kojima full time.

[raztad]

I'm almost sure Rising (multiplat) is being funded by MS money, and probably the revamped engine for the PS3 exclusive MGS5 (boasting even better visuals and native HD resolution) too. Funny.

I'm getting PW day one.

[Godmars290]

Still, its saying something that Kojima is *suppose* to be the head of of his own production company, and yet been assigned to the lesser dev crew? With the junior team getting the lion share of the resources. Not that they don't need them.

[Cold 2000]

Cant wait to get Rising on my XBOX 360 !!

Hope they show more at TGS.

Great to know Kojima is supervising and producing the game.
http://www.gametrailers.com...

Its only ten seconds and no gameplay...but has epic written all over it already.

RAIDEN-IS-BACK

[Sarick]

"Still, its saying something that Kojima is *suppose* to be the head of of his own production company, and yet been assigned to the lesser dev crew? With the junior team getting the lion share of the resources. Not that they don't need them."

Perhaps he refused to work on the higher paying project that was multi-platform. If the higher ups where offered a great incentive they couldn't refuse the only alternative would be to replace the team with one that was willing to. Maybe, he didn't want to support something so the higher ups decided to do it with or without him by moving him to another project.

Honestly, it reminds me of how a company would punish a employees if they didn't agree with the higher ups interest. Take for instance, a large retail company that would rather close a store then let the employees of that store create a union. In this case instead of outright letting the employee go they'd throw them into another store.

I'm not saying this is the case but with everything I've heard about Kojima being pro Sony and the incentives offered by Microsoft. It's the first thing that popped in my head after reading Godmars290 comment to PirateThom.

[deeznuts]

PirateThom, so you're saying MGS:Rising is like showing up at the strip club in Vegas at 8 am, you're not getting the goods? Lol

[MGSR THE HD VERSION]

"the Rising team has access to more money and is working with higher-end technology and hardware specs."

so that basically means MGSR has a bigger budget.

[JokesOnYou]

How is the progress on Metal Gear Solid: Rising going?

KOJIMA: "We're at an experiment level right now. We're doing a lot of experiments for Rising. But let me give you a hint at what's happening at KJP right now. I said this at GDC, as Kojima Productions, and for the Metal Gear Solid series as well, we always want to go to the next step beyond. And how we go up a step is really a big job actually. But what we're doing right now is making totally new, not just an overhaul, engines and A.I.s and things like that. Even the management and team formations that we have at Kojima Productions, we are changing this around. The core of it is, of course, the Rising team. So they're doing a lot of high-level stuff with great staffs. And that doesn't mean the guys who are making PSP are the shi$% staffs...it's not that. However, we have the core team who is doing real high-level experiments and alongside we have the PSP team, which are not really good friends right now, but in Kojima Productions and with Rising that is what's happening right now."

"The reason why I say they are not good friends is because the PSP is working day and night to make it even better than MGS4, but of course they can't do it because of a lot of restrictions. On the other hand, the Rising team is using loads of money and loads of capacity and hardware specs. If you could imagine the PSP team looking at the Rising team saying, they have all the money and specs. That's the one reason why they are not good friends."

"It's interesting for me to see the team members act in this way. This was never before because it was always just one small team. Now we are much bigger. So it's really interesting for me to watch the team right now."

-hmmmm, Kojima sounds very positive about Rising and seems to be playing a key role in its development, saying "we" and even going so far as to explain the "core team" is working on Rising doing some "high-level experiments"= Wow, I guess he really wasn't kidding waaay back when he said he wanted to work on 360 too.

Then he finishes with this statement:

So there's an internal competition between the two teams?

KOJIMA: "Well, we are creating a trailer for PSP like crazy. We give our best and think we did great, it looks great. But when we look at the Rising team we say, should we really keep creating PSP? Because the Rising graphics are so high quality."=

-Ouch!, that isn't exactly a great endorsement of the PSP game. wow...they always told me this guy was too honest. lol

JOY

[morganfell]

It's a riot to watch all of the people that attacked MGS4 and Kojima now talk about Rising. ha ha, too much.

Here is the unbreakable rule no Snake means no Metal Gear game. I don't care what you call it.

Here is another rule. If Kojima isn't in the game up to his neck then that is just another reason it won't be Metal gear. There is one game in development right now that meets both criteria - Snake + Kojima to the hilt, and that game isn't Rising.

Rising isn't a standard Metal Gear game. "Rising will be more action oriented." Let me translate that, "Since standard Metal Gear game play and story lines require a higher intellectual grasp and reasoning ability, we are making a Metal Gear game with lots of bright lights, loud noises and and a simple story."

Will Rising look better than a PSP game? Why answer that? Is that all you have to brag about? You might as well talk about owning US sales when you are getting easily outpaced in the rest of the world. Oh wait, the Slim launched and the PS3 price cut is in effect so now all your base belong to us.

As long as we are talking about which one is bigger, care to discuss projected game length?

[Ausbo]

KOJIMA: "Well, we are creating a trailer for PSP like crazy. We give our best and think we did great, it looks great. But when we look at the Rising team we say, should we really keep creating PSP? Because the Rising graphics are so high quality."

Kojima said it himself that rising looks great.

[JokesOnYou]

"The reason why I say they are not good friends is because the PSP is working day and night to make it even better than MGS4, but of course they can't do it because of a lot of restrictions." -Kojima

-Thats real unfortunate that they have a lot of restrictions on the PSP version.

"On the other hand, the Rising team is using loads of money and loads of capacity and hardware specs. If you could imagine the PSP team looking at the Rising team saying, they have all the money and specs. That's the one reason why they are not good friends." -Kojima

-Well I'm sure when the PSP team get to work on the MGS Rising sequel they will kiss and make up....I'd be a lil jealous too knowing that so much is being put into Rising.

-Hell even Kojima said:
"But when we look at the Rising team we say, should we really keep creating PSP?" -Kojima

-I'm sure the PSP team will do just fine with what they have.

-Morgan I'm surprised that with all your INSIDE contacts that you never told us about whats going on behind the scenes at Kojima Productions.

JOY

[Whitefox789]

He really is too honest, I remember before MGS 4 came out he said he was disappointed with it, sheesh this guy is his own critic for his work....

And that's why I like him!

[morganfell]

Not only is he honest but he is also never satisfied with his own efforts. Not a great many people like that in the industry. There are more Dyacks than anything.

[badz149]

Rising's graphic will surely 100% better than PW's because it's on HD consoles while PW is on PSP! "Rising on 360 and PS3 looks great and cost more money with higher tech - compared to PW on the PSP!" - yeah, that comparison sounds fair!

[Avenged Sevenfold]

Bleach sucks huh? Your opinion. You're probably one of those people that watches the anime before reading the manga.

On topic: I don't get why everyone thinks this will fail. It probably won't have the impact MGS4 did, but it's way too early to judge.

[likedamaster]

It hurts you that Rising is coming to 360 as well, doesn't it?

I knock NO game before I try it. Rising will get its fair share of play before I judge it.

[cryymoar]

it doesnt hurt. it's not even a real MGS game!
what don't you guys understand?

Would it hurt you if Halo Wars went to the PS3? probably not, you guys would be saying the same thing; "IT'S NOT A REAL HALO GAME!"

Don't be sad because the xbox360 is getting a hack and slash "Ninja Raiden" game and not a true stealth action and espionage game featuring Snake. You guys are getting a "metal gear" game that will barely even touch the storyline while even the PSP gets what Kojima said himself is a true Metal Gear Solid game.

[cayal]

360, ps3, I don't care. I want the Raiden game.

[Joey Greco RULES]

wake me, when people stop b!tching about something that doesnt matter OR when N4G actually has some NEWS to read....

[PirateThom]

Rising will disappoint everyone.

[BBCnewsrocks]

agreed, as soon as Kojima said he said he wasn't directly working on rising my hype for the game went down.

[Xbox360Elite]

Are you still sulking its coming out for xbox360 don't need to worry it will look better graphically than MGS4 on both consoles.

[PirateThom]

That's exactly why I'm keeping my expectations low, it may well be a good game, but it will probably be a weak Metal Gear game.

@This guy

Why would I be sulking? PS3 got the real deal, a Kojima Produced, Directed and Written Metal Gear Solid as well as Rising. 360 had to rely on Konami to throw out a multiplatform Metal Gear Solid that is Metal Gear Solid in name only. No, I think 360 only owners should be the ones sulking, they didn't get MGS4.

[droid and bot]

"Rising will disappoint everyone."

i agree

im a huge metal gear solid fan

and i got almost all of metal gear solid games

the thing is every game that kojima saty away from flops
and the other thing i really hated MGS:2 because of raiden
and the most thing i hated was the last part
where you have to use the sowrd
MGR is not a hack and slash game
we don't need swords
we want guns damn it

in MGS4 raiden only used his sword so i guess it will be the same in MGS:R

i don't know
but i'll rent it before i buy it

[nycredude]

Xboxelite

What ever happened to "we don't want MGS4', "it's just a movie"?

Now you have MGS rising, which is a spin off NOT developed by Kojima and you're all happy.

It might end up being decent, but no freaking way is it going to rival the masterpieces that are MGS, MGS2, MGS3 and of course the most recent Grand Finale MGS4. Instead you get Metal Gear Solid Rising... Should be called Metal Gear Rising.

Besides what makes you think that This team will be able to make a game that looks better than ANYTHING on the ps3, when no other developers have been able to? Fact is nothing on the 360 looks as good as teh ps3 exclusives. Let's get real here already and take off the blinders.

[saint_john_paul_ii]

MGS4 is the greatest game of this Gen. Nuff said.

[Godmars290]

I'm Batman.

@PirateThom:
Question is what are people expecting from the game? More to the point, since the PS3 already obviously has, has anything on the 360 delivered anything equal in gameplay? That's the teller.

@Xbox360Elite:
Know its pretty much the same question I just asked Thom, but has any 360 exclusive delivered anything graphically close, or superior, to one on the PS3? That people are still talking about Uncharted should tell you something.

[Cold 2000]

"Rising will disappoint everyone."

I bet you've been praying real hard for it to be bad ever since u saw Kojima at the MS E3 conference.

But I know you know it will rock !!

Time to stop pretending guys ! MGS is multiplat now, time to accept it and move on.

MGS FTW !!!

[morganfell]

Amen to that your royal Popeness.

[theEnemy]

come on now..

I'm not a real fan of MGS:R going multiplat but that comment is just pure fanboyism bro.

I my self would like MGS:R to be like MGS4 or even better. If Peace Walker is on the PS3, then we can just disregard Rising.

;)

[DaTruth]

Rising will be the GTA4 of MGS saga. It will come up short, even when compared to last gen!

But I am not a 360 fanboy, so I don't argue for low quality and give excuses for it; So, lets hope Kojima pulls a rabbit out of his hat and somehow makes a great game out of a multiplat. It's more than likely I'll buy both!

[Poopface the 2nd]

shouldn't you "hardcore MGS fans" give them the benefit of the doubt and at least try it or see some of the game before labeling it as a huge disappointment?

I understand tho, any game that isnt a ps3 exclusive is a disappointment to you guys.

It seems that you people hope tha game sux, which is weird considering that it could be a great MG game that is also on PS3.

[PirateThom]

Some of you people assume far too much. AS USUAL.

No, it will disappoint everyone because you're expecting MGS4 quality game that will push boundaries within its genre like MGS4 did, but it's being made by a junior team in Kojima Productions with little direct input from Kojima himself in a style which is a tangent to the standard MGS formula.

Metal Gear Ac!d was made by the non-core MGS team in a non-MGS style with little Kojima input, how many of you like that game?

Rising may have a bigger budget, but it doesn't have the proven talent to back it up. Personally, I would have given the Peace Walker team the bigger funds, they've proven themselves.

[Godmars290]

I'm not expecting anything for one. Not MGS anyway. If anything, a Ninja Gaiden clone with a few stealth elements set in the MGS universe.

It will probably fail in story, especially if it tries to make any strong connections to the main plot.

[Gamer1111]

it wont disappoint me... who are you to say that..oo yeah a blind fanboy.

good thing rising will outsell the psp mgs 5 to 1.

have fun using triangle x circle and square to aim in peace walker. only flaw of the psp...needs 2 analogs....but thats just me. your just mad that rising is on the xbox. if it was just ps3 you'd be bowing to it tom.....we all know your true colors and thats ok.....

but to say that everyone will be disappointed about rising(a game you know nothing about)....just makes you look like a 12 year old.

[Joey Greco RULES]

So will the next "Twilight" movie, but will that millions of teenage girls from seeing it? Nope.

So will the next Jonas Brothers album, but will that stop millions of teenage girls from buying it? Nope.

Now, by no means, am I saying MGS fans are bunch of teenage girls---what I am saying, is that I think its still going to sell a lot of copies. And while a lot of people like to think sales dont matter, the question you have to ask is--sales dont matter to who? Maybe Rising will disappoint everyone EXCEPT for the Developers who create it, because they'll be smiling all the way to the bank. Just seems like everyone is so sure that this game is going to suck, but at the same time, you know everyone is still going to buy it. Doesn't make sense. :(

[PirateThom]

Gamer1111, you're still making massive assumptions. Multiplatform, 360 exclusive, hell, whatever you want. If the "consoles it was on" was the issue, I'd say it "It sucks because it's on 360", but that would be a ridiculous argument.

No, my friend, I'm not that petty. My issue with the game is that it's not Metal Gear Solid in any way, shape or form. Metal Gear Ac!d didn't get to be called "Metal Gear Solid Ac!d" because it wasn't part of cannon. "Metal Gear Solid" on Game Boy Color, was called Metal Gear: Ghost Bable in Japan, because it wasn't cannon (Konami outside of Japan changed the title to make it linked to MGS on PS).

Calling it "Metal Gear Solid" doesn't make it "Metal Gear Solid".

[BBCnewsrocks]

he's just mad because he'll probably have to change disks about 20 times over the course of the game.

(before anyone gets mad, I'm j/k)

[zeeshan]

Nah! I think they'd be lucky if that game is big enough to require 2 DVDs!

[corywebb93]

Look really good on my xbox 360 elite

[TheTeam06]

yeah, once it comes back in that cardboard coffin, it should be great to play an "interactive movie" like you fanboys said MGS was at one point. Remember?

...hippocrates

[BlackTar187]

Its about graphics now.

crazy how quick the tides turn depending on the topic

[Rifle-Man]

It's "hypocrites," not this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

I do agree with you, however.

[mfwahwah]

Why you guys hating on this dude? He said it'd look good on his 360.

He didn't say it would suck on PS3. He didn't say it will ONLY look good on 360.

You guys are such fanboys. And not the kind that love their system, like I do... You guys must just hate the other systems so damn much.

[BlackTar187]

this was accident the one who said its gong to look way better on the 360.

But yea way to generalize people. I play every game every system and the only thing i like more on ps3 is the trophy compared to achievements just cause bronze silver and gold is what im used to but yea way to go dude.

but since im here its pretty obv. the posters intentions when he wrote it don't call people fanboys because they called him out on it. If you cant see his intentions then maybe your at fault here.

[lightningsax]

Rifle-Man for the spelling win! "Above all, do no harm!"

Really, this is no reason to say that Rising or Peace Walker will do better than the other. It can be healthy to have such a competitive atmosphere within a company, and maybe he's releasing this information to rile up the team... the whole "Nobody believed in us!" underdog motivation you find in sports.

Otherwise, I'd have no clue as to why Kojima would release information about team sentiment to the press. Other than "He's a bit weird."

[mfwahwah]

@5.6

Yeah, I can see why people would jump the gun. That doesn't make it right in my eyes though. I love giving people the benefit of the doubt. If they want to waste that then it's fine.

But as it stands, I could just as easily have said "This game is going to look really good on my Playstation 3" and I'd get like 50 agrees for it.

Or none because it's multiplat. I don't understand how exactly that all would work.

[BlackTar187]

So were in agreement basically.

LOL
your right though you would either get 100 agrees or none at allit is weird how it works like a broken math problem : )

[TheTeam06]

As an MGS fan, I hope Kojima gets cracking on Rising. Unfortunately, that doesn't look to be the case. I expect this to be a bummer =(

But, then again, I got to complete the whole story in MGS4 so I'm happy. And I was definitely satisfied with the way it ended =)

[Whitefox789]

But you forget MGS Peacewalker is a part of the MGS Saga with it being a direct sequel to MGS 3 (which I thought was Portable Ops)

So theirs still some loose ends to tie up

[mastiffchild]

And this is sort of where many problems with Rising come from. Surely we're going to find out a bit more of what happened to Raiden between 2 and 4 in story terms, no?

I think that, plus the "lightning bolt action", is partly why many MGS fans have less hope for Rising than PW. Noone liked Raiden, NOONE, in MS2 and only tolerated him as a bit of a chnage NPC in MGS4. The bottom line is Snake>Raiden in fans minds-so we can largely forget console battle lines at the hert of this one, imo.

I'm also worried that the dhift in emphasis will harm the MG experience and it just won't feel like a true Metal Gear game-not saying it won't be a good game, mind, just that it isn't going to be a good metal Gear game as it's gonna be very different. Add to that the amazing job the PW team managed last time out (and the less than stellar efforts of the "B" team with Acid)and it's fair enough for people to be more excited about PW than Rising-it's main canon to boot so why shouldn't MGS fans automatically gravitate towards the game with more Koj involvement, Snake and the MGS4 team on it?

Certainly PW looks to be more like the kind of game we got with MGS3 and 4 while the only things we know for sure about Rising aren't as comforting to MG fans-Raiden as main character, lesser Koj involvement and a less well thought of team doing the work on a game admitting to having a more straight forwards action approach-something alien to the MGS series, no?

So where's the confusion or controversy here? It's got little to do with 360 Vs PS3 has it? Isn't it more that more true MG fans happen to own PS3s because they wanted to play the true MGS3 sequel in MGS4? Certainly, imo. There is the fact that many of us consider exclusives(on either platform, imo) to perform much better than multi plats as well which would indicate that Rising cannot reach the heights of MGS4 as it cannot take advantage of the full strength of the PS3 OR the 360. Yo me that's another ner cert.

Probably best to look on Rising as a completely unrelated game and judge it on it's own merit when we have something worth seeing. PW on the other hand we can have more idea of and, for a truer MGS experience it's the clever, only choice-which, again, shouldn't be controversial to ANYONE but common sense. It's also fair enough, to me, that MGS fans would want this game more as it's the one with most MGS ingredients and hasn't, unlike Rising, been stated to be going in a totally different direction.

So there's plenty of fair reasons for MS fans to doub Rising and like the sound of PW as there's good reasons for those not into MGS as much to quite fancy the idea of Rising. The big caveat is that the team making Rising just haven't got the amazing history of the PW team and I find it weird that the senior team is not the one being trusted to do the HD console game but we don't know what goes on behind Konami's doors do we? I think it's pretty much a fact, though, that Rising isn't meant to be a game for the diehards but designed to appeal more to those who've little or no experience of MGS, even those who didn't find it was for them-and give these people a game from this universe.

As a huge fan of Koj and his series I'm obviously more excited for PW but that doesn't mean Tising can't be good in it's own right-just that it's unlikely to be as good as MGS4 or even PW AS A MG game. It, might, however, end up being a fantastic action game for fans of the MG universe even if the chnaces of it being as great an all round experienvce as MGS3 and 4 are pretty distant.

There's nothing to get heated about, however, MGS4 didn't go multi and Rising won't be "the interactive movie" that 360 owners so unitedly hated-so noone's actually losing anything here nor getting anything they didn't want. As for Rising, like I said-it's best to look at it as something totally different with as much or as little chance of being any good as any other action game-if you discount any negative feelings about Raiden.

End of long rambling post that noone will bother to read but I don't care as writing is it's own kind of catharsis. I'm sorry, however, to anyone who actually did sit through reading my dire rantings.

[BlackPrince 42]

I'm sure the inter-team tension has nothing to do with the fact that Rising is an MGS stepchild like the Ac!d games were.

It has nothing to do with the fact that Kojima was a hair away from saying Rising isn't a true Metal Gear game at E3.

/sarcasm

That said though, I still hope it turns out well. Canon or no it's still a Kojima based game and his level of polish is rare these days.

[corywebb93]

Wont be a intercative movie since the rising team is making it

And not kojima

[Saaking]

See, the bots accuse us of having multiple accounts yet you, a complete moron, have six.

[Foliage]

Also you can't fit it on a DVD, expect a 5 hour game with a lot of corridors like Gears. You can't pull off MGS4 on the 360.

[likedamaster]

Doesn't take a genius to know what was wrong with MGS4. Corey's just being coy.

[Foliage]

I know what you found wrong with it, that it wasn't on the 360. And no it doesn't take a genius, clearly you proved that. However apparently it does take a genius to see what is wrong with a product that has a 54.2% failure rate. Go figure.

Sensitive spot? I'm just stating the truth, don't let it get to you, you've hid from the truth for so long... just keep hiding.

[Xbox360Elite]

Why do i get the feeling you all ps3 owners are upset come on cheer up Rising will be great graphically more polished than MGS4 on both consoles now lets all of us hand shake.

[lokiroo420]

Im not touching your hand, gross.

[Chubear]

Dude, when people were talking about MGS4 not able to be done on the 360 they weren't talking about just graphics. Sure, the 360 could never do anything like the graphics on MGS4 in it's 2nd year like the PS3 and so far, we've not seen anything on the 360 that still matches many things MGS4 was doing and the console is going on it's 5th yr.

The main reason MGS4 cannot be done on the 360 is the combination of Graphics, Lighting, physics and most importantly, using the space on Blu-ray to aid in having multiple gameplay elements commence all in one scene. The 360 has still till today not shown the type of production value shown in MGS4.

MGR is a very different type of game. It's heavily action oriented so the use of technical resources will be used differently than on MGS4. I'm seeing MGR as a hack n' slash beat 'em up with gunplay and linear progression. Ofcourse it'll look stunning, it is the MG team after all, even if Kojima isn't involved much with it, they still have access to his works and techniques used in all current gen MGS from the PS3 to the Iphone.

It looks like MGR is the next multiplat game that the 360fanbase will pretend like it's an exclusive though. Fact still remains, MGS game on the 360 to date and no MGS4 either.

[ultimolu]

...LOL?

Seriously, lol?

360 fans get a Metal Gear game and now they suddenly care about the series?

You're trying too hard, stop.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

"360 fans get a Metal Gear game and now they suddenly care about the series?"

Read that statement to yourself.

360 fans now have a Metal Gear game, which they haven't been able to play unless they own a Playstation, and now they care about the series.

Well.. duh.. yes! That's a bad thing?

I can understand the bashers of MGS4 now acting all giddy but for the average 360 GAMER who knows Kojima does good work. Yes, they do care now more than ever.

[MGSR THE HD VERSION]

"The main reason MGS4 cannot be done on the 360 is the combination of Graphics, Lighting, physics"

graphics?

the polygon models in MGS4 were 14,000 polygons.

"And hero Snake, PS2 version of "MGS" is the best film of the late "MGS3" approximately 4,400 polygons, PS3 version of "MGS4" has been in 14,000 polygons,"

"Rendering resolution of 1024 × 768 display frame is fixed dots. Output of the display according to this resolution, 16:9 display has been scaled. 1280 × 720 of non-dot, it was important for the vertical resolution."

out of the developer's mouth,

google translate it.

http://game.watch.impress.c...

i don't think it's accurate to say 360 can't handle 14,000 polygons each a character, at 1024x768.
http://i26.tinypic.com/1jcq...

[ultimolu]

Crab, I should have known you'll never change. You expect me to believe there's 360 fans who didn't attack MGS4?

Not on N4G, that's for sure.

[likedamaster]

Poor Ultimolu.

Anyway, there are a lot of 360 fans that still don't like MGS4 but who are still interested in Rising because its a departure and touted as a fast action game, opposed to an attempt at stealth gone wrong.

[ultimolu]

Yeah likedamaster, they only care because it's a Metal Gear game.

No, don't pity me. I'm perfectly fine thank you.

[ceedubya9]

because they were PS1 and PS2 fans before the 360 came out? Not everyone started gaming when the 360 came out. Can't be so all inclusive with the fanbase.

[v1c1ous]

did the crystal ball bearers arrive yet? cause i need tomorrow's lottery ticket numbers..

[deshon09]

is 4 there you go lol

[MGOelite]

man xboxelite is a tard, plz show me a video with mgs R graphics or forever call yourself a complete and utter prick

[ballsofsteel]

i seriously don't understand the hype rising. if i told you that the PS3 was getting a halo game that isn't being made by bungie, most likley won't similar gameplay to the rest of the halo's, and is a complete spin off would you get excited? the only relation MGSR has to the rest of the MGS's is the title

[MetalGearBear]

MGSPW> MGSR>Xbox360elite

[corywebb93]

Should stick to making movies not games

[PlayStation X]

and your a spotty little geek who is scared of hitting puberty.
now fck off

nobody disses kojima!!

[frnkyl]

GASP Oh no you didn't... Cyborg Ninjas, Attack!!!!

[learte]

is it me or does it seem like kojima does not like raising, maybe konami is getting more involved in the MGS games and if forcing kojima and is taking freedom form him. i don't know what type of game raising will be ,if it tries to combine Ninja Gaiden and MGS it will be cool but weird. i just hope Peace Walker isn't kojima's last game and he makes another MGS game like MGS4. That game was awesome, maybe you didn't like it. but mostly ALL critics have said "it is one of the best games out there". I hope you all get to play it one day.

[KoB4EMvPi]

Cant wait for this game...
I wonder what type of achievements it will have.

[Sunny_D]

Lol ^^^^ sigh, hypocrites... -_-

[corywebb93]

The death to the gaming industry soon we will have to play games with 9 hour cutscenes and 50 minutes off gameplay

[Mr Bean Laden]

of course cause games these days don't care about the story and are all run n gun, i.e. the GeOW series

[ZOMBIEMAN1]

wow hold the motherfvcking phone did you just insult Hideo Kojima ? the man is a God in the gaming industry if it wasn't for him games like Splinter Cell wouldn't exist Metal Gear created the stealth genre but i guess a little whiny piece of sh!t like you can't understand Kojima is one of the best developers out even the creator of Gears looks up to him i would slice your trout if i could no one disses Kojima and Peace Walker a PSP title will wipe the floor with Rising and Rising won't even beat MGS4 so go ahead and play with a transvestite emo robot that gets his @ss handed to him during fights and may every video game console you buy break

[frnkyl]

Yea even the hardcore trolls wouldn't go as low as dissing Kojima.

[ZOMBIEMAN1]

no one disses Kojima he's the man

[biggame901]

It's one thing to not like MGS4; not your style, fine. But, insulting Hideo Kojima, one of the best and most respect developers of our generation. That's way over the line.

Frankly, you're a complete and utter idiot and a disgrace to gamers and gaming in general.

[Snatcher]

PS3 fanboys and 360 fanboys are not good friends either. I wonder why?

[Xbox360Elite]

This is gonna be so embarrassing for ps3 owners if Rising turns out to be graphically better looking than MGS4 because if i got this right it was MGS4 can't be done on xbox360. I cannot wait for Rising to come out.

PS
Does anyone know where my 2 bubbles went i think they got stolen when i left my room if anyone finds them please return ASAP.

[Shadow017]

Finally patchstation boyfriend is down to 1bubble or maybe he'll just make another account like the rest of the bots.

[PlayStation X]

its gonna be so embaressing when the game takes the piss out of xbox like mgs4 did xD

'snake' we need to swap the disks'

[frnkyl]

Otacon: Snake we need to swap discs
Snake: Why? Aren't we using BluRay oh wait...

Kojima would so do that XD

[sedx]

who cares about rising ..... by the time it come out ps3 will have new exclusive while MS still lives off of multi.

ps3 owners dont care..it will be a disappointed game

and you know SONY gave rising to 360 cuz it's not a good game and they probably got a deal for the next MGS game ps3 exclusive .... just wait and see only time will tell.....

[corywebb93]

How do you onley have one buble

You should have 10 for speaking the truth

Xboxelite you should make duplicate accounts like all the ps3 users here

[DRIIV]

like you, I believe that is the only way you could have 6 bubbles with the comments you make.

[Feral Gamer]

I dunno why Kojima put Walker on PSP but I think it's a bad move. Why not make the game all it could be? Most people I know don't own a PSP

[rhood022]

Dont think it was the choice of Kojima Production. But rather Konami. And it was probably a compromise.

Konami gets a multiplat Metal Gear (and the revenue it will generate) and Kojima gets to do MGS 5 (aka Peace Walker). Albeit on the PSP.

[pilotpistolpete]

You do realize there are as many PSPs sold than PS3 and 360s combined.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Here's some info straight from the man himself:

"Kojima had originally planned to take a backseat role with Peace Walker, but once he had decided on the game's setting, he decided to get more involved.

"At first, I was just going to create the overall guidelines and concepts for the project, and leave it in the hands my excellent staff. I was going to have a hand in the project as a producer, and make titles other than MGS. But, I set the game in the South American [sic] country of Costa Rica and created a story with themes about nuclear deterrence and The Cold War. It looked as if it might be very confusing to young people, because of generational differences. So, in the end I finally said, 'I'll do it.'"

So as you can see Kojima didn't even plan to be involved in PW, despite the fanboys screaming this is the Metal Gear game he only wants to make.

On Rising:

"I'll be working more deeply on the project than a normal producer," is the semi-broken translation, and he added that "it's a completely different kind of action than what has appeared in the series so far."

"Rising is sure to have "better graphics" than Metal Gear Solid 4. "We're redoing the engine from scratch, and it's going to look amazing. It's going to be a big project like Metal Gear Solid 4. The entire team is serious about making it look as good as possible on every platform."

"It's raising the Metal Gear franchise up to the next step"

"Kojima already confirmed during the Konami E3 Press Conference that this would still be a stealth game, just different from what we're used to"

http://e3.gamespot.com/vide...

Sounds to me like the love is flowin at Kojima productions about MGS:R despite the fanboy reaction. I am very excited to see the Metal Gear evolution.

[likedamaster]

Good comment GEC. A lot of positivity toward this title which got a lot of negative reaction from the fanboys, ironically. +Bubbles.

[frnkyl]

Like I said before, Peace Walker has 2 proper trailers and Rising has none. It's obvious where Kojima's priorities are.

[frnkyl]

lol at the disagree. So Kojima didn't give Rising a trailer because it's his most important priority? Ok XD

[ZBlacktt]

LOL, I list known facts on here and get disagree's as well, lol... I pay them no attention anymore.

[v1c1ous]

i wonder if all the other responses that follow will also get deleted by this "benevolent" mod i've been noticing lately.

[Raider69]

It totally agree!But it seems is benevolence have just a one way tendency,its starting to be annoying.Since this is suppose to be a gamers site, or is it not ...

[pippoppow]

Too many posters get away with constant pure nonsense. We need more mods banning the trouble makers on this site. This place could use a good cleanup. Some people take things way too serious and way too far. Good job mod.

[likedamaster]

I don't think so. Just look at all of the 360 threads. They are flooded with fanboys on the GAMERZONE spewing nothing but negativity about 360 titles and NO BANS.

Fair is fair, ban on both sides. Good job Mods! Yeah right...

[i3eyond the Circle]

Rising won't be good because all of you have obviously seen gameplay.

Oh! and it isn't a Ps3 exclusive....so maybe that could be factored in also.

[Raider69]

dont go that way lol,you now there are some wounded man's,above!They have a clan that like to bash but dont 'like been bashed.But you seen have a bulletproof vest of eight layer's,and i only have two.

[i3eyond the Circle]

Quite easy to manipulate. Tho I can't show you my secret lol. Just go to my first few days of comments lol

[bigjclassic]

Both games will be great, but it seems like Rising will be a "MGS Ninja Gaiden hybird" which should work out well. Graphically, I dont expect Rising to match the overall quality of MGS4 since Konami (like all other devs) have to make both versions look similar.

Peace Walker on the other hand, should be excellent. Kojima is one of the very best in the industry, along side Miyamoto.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

"Rising will be decent but not Kojima quality, this we ALL should know..."

And you KNOW this how? Are you all masters of body language or something? Unlike, AC!D which was done by a completely different studio, this is at Kojima productions and whether crying fanboys want to admit it or not he is going to be involved in this game.

You get a few PS3 fanboys watching the E3 press conference and suddenly they make up some story that Kojima is disconnected from this game and that he will just drop his standards. Why? Because now it's on the 360.

I'd love to see your proof that this will not be Kojima quality.

[Unicron]

MGSR - NOT canon please. Don't DBGT my MGS!

[bjornbear]

WTF? =D awsum

[Saaking]

MS4 team , the one that made that flawless perfection is working on the PSP exclusive Peace Walker. Bots, all you get to play is a spin-off with one of of the least liked characters in the series. MGS4 ONly on PS3.

[cmrbe]

With the hunger they have for better specs. I expect amazing stuff from them when they finally develop MGS5 exclusively for the PS3.

[Socomer 1979]

Last time I saw raiden he was crying at snakes feet!
Raiden is a pu$$y.

Idk who trained him but he's not even gray foxes level.
Raiden get his a$$ kicked by everyone. He lost his arm for gods sake!
That fairy wears high heels!

In mgs4 raiden was kojimas whipping boy. Nobody felt sorry for him. We all just wanted raiden to shut up & hurry up & die. He is a confused bi-sexual fake ninja who bleeds sperm.
Mgs4 is the best game made for hardcore fans. Snake is the MAN & he told raiden quit being a little biotch & pull yourself together homo! Raiden still didn't listen & he fell to his own self pity.

That's the star of rising? Haaaaaa!
Konami & rockstar are funny!

360 fans did it to themselves with thier support for avatars, natal & halo.

[ia_studio]

MUST....NOT...FEED....TROLL!!!

[Socomer 1979]

My friends & I call camel toe, moneys shots in porn, tight pants on women, the vagina = KOJIMA!!!

Use this codeword for your benefit.
Ex:

She got a juicy KOJIMA !!!!

[DevilWillCry289]

All you PS3 fanboys STFU. Rising will be a great game for both PS3 and 360. I will laugh at you fanboys when Rising actually does way better than MGS4.

[The Wood]

does better as in sells more NOT is better as in gameplay.....Like I said, it goes both ways

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Unless it sells zero on the 360/PC then yes I do expect it to do better in sales. But quality and story we have no idea about. No doubt the ignorance can go both ways no argument here.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

I've been on this site a long time now and I don't think I've seen a more sorry collection of BS comments in the gamer zone.

Everything from this game will flop without knowing anything about it. To someone trying to spread BS that 360 games will no longer be in HD.

How N4G managed to collect the biggest group of dumbass gamers on the planet is beyond me. (apologies to those who are being rational, there aren't very many)

If you want to be ignorant and push your future telling crap as fact then take it to the open zone.

What kind of gamer would condemn a new game because it's not solely on their plastic toy?

[The Wood]

yep, things do get out of hand but go into any ps3 exclusive article and you'll see the same thing. Look at how some even go as far as to judge games by........wait for it.........HOW MUCH THEY SELL FF'SAKE. No. Please dont tell me ps3 fanboyz are the cause of everything stupid on n4g.. it really goes both ways and you're kinda trapped in the middle as you are dual console owner with a slight preference/loyalty towards the 360. Im kool with that as i KNOW ur a gamer first and foremost. You dislike the fanboys of the console NOT the console itself but theres just more sony games to hate on than there are MS games to hate on therefore its just down to what you see or allow yourself to see.

I see both side taking the piss....look at colds comments and the truth is MGS is one of this gen TOP topics so i expect a bit of needle. Many 360 fans were acting like 'we dont want it or need that movie etc and when a multiplatform spinoff gets announced those same people are skeeting over their pc screens. Now to be fair I see a lot of people hating on the spinoff that HK himself kinda separated himself from. Theres nothing to say the game wont be great without their mentor/boss ala team ninja after that obnoxious guy got the cann so the hate is just as unjust as the hate for MGS4 was. What do you think crabby?

[GiantEnemyCrab]

This is directed at a lot of the comments here on both sides. I don't think I directed it specifically at PS3 fanboys, except my last comment about condeming a game because it's not exclusive on their console. Not to mention the off-topic rants about the 360 and HD, which are absolutely looney.

The argument you have about 360 fannies bashing MGS4 and now are all excited because it's on the 360 are no different then the folks talking Kojima up as "GOD" when the game is PS3 exclusive and now say he's not interested in Rising and suddenly will abandon his quality for an MS paycheck. It's ridiculous both ways.

I agree that Cold is not helping and is trying to give it back to the PS3 fannies, who then return the favor and continue the cycle. But one side or both sides need to wake up and realize it's not changing or effecting anything to act like this. All it does is suck the fun out of gaming for everyone. I was a total 360 fanboy and thanks to the many gamers here(yes they do exist) who continued to set the example I learned and now I'm a much happier gamer because of it. Until I come into the comments section and read this more ignorant and hateful than usual Gamer Zone.

"Now to be fair I see a lot of people hating on the spinoff that HK himself kinda separated himself from."

This is where the BS started with this whole thing at E3. He did not kinda separate himself from it. The fanboys interpreted it that way but read the other comment I posted here using Kojima's own words.

My impression is he just wanted to do something other than MG and didn't even plan to be involved with Peace Walker but he was pulled back in. He wanted to free his time for other projects but realized that both teams need his direction, the PW team needed his understanding of the story and history and the new team needs his direction to keep his vision. He is involved in both and I expect the quality to be the same or better.

Man, I hate sounding all "up my own arse" about this, like I am some perfect neutral gamer. I know, I defend the 360 more and I do prefer the system a bit more and I've been one of the same people I'm complaining about in the past. However, we are on the 4th year of the 360 and the 3rd for the PS3 and it's just getting old. I'm probably asking for too much from people. Console rivalry isn't a bad thing but it's gone way beyond that.

[The Wood]

nobody really knows what came first. The fanboy chicken or the fanboy egg *shrugs shoulders*

btw Kojima snatched up the mic to say that psp is the true sequel like he meant it or like konami have gone against his will. He's pr statements may of just been pr as he still works for konami but his actions/body language seemed like they leaned more towards distancing himself from the rising than endorsing it. Anyhow it doesnt really matter I just hope both games are good as im sure many will be getting both no matter what they say

[ceedubya9]

Good posting Crab.

[Batzi]

RISING won't disappoint. It's a METAL GEAR SOLID game, not once did an MGS game disappoint. KOJIMA WILL BE working deeply with the Rising team as soon as he is done with Peace Walker, that's what he said. Not because 360 is getting it we have to pretend that it will suck just to make the PS3 look better. Guys put your fanboyism aside and think again, it's another Metal Gear Solid game on the next generation consoles WTF is wrong with you?? Kojima Productions are creating a new engine from scratch for this game and they're aiming for a better game than MGS4. Trust me, with Kojima's assistant they will prevail, MGS FTW!!

[bjornbear]

gonna be good game nonetheless =D

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Rising is a spin off and a last minute addition to please the idiots that run and support Micro$oft.

[debuchan]

that Kojima will say something like "they are not really good friends" specially within, He's own production group and being vocal about it.

[ZBlacktt]

This is what you get when you sell your soul to the devil ( MS ). Deal with it Kojima as much as it saddens me to say that. Trust me, been there deep in this game 11 years now. I think this whole spin off game MGSR is a bad move. No Snake = NOT MGS period.

If you ask me in reading between the lines over the last few years. The relationship between Kojima and David Hayter ( voice of snake all these years ) has been really strained. I say that because MGS the movie is coming to production and David wanted to do the scrip for the flim since he has pervious experience in this field. He was just over looked and not even considered by Kojima. Hence snake aging and possible death in character? Maybe Kojima is hard to get along with by more than just those close to the game?

We all know right now, no Snake in MGS Kojima might as well drop it all together......

[ZOMBIEMAN1]

>_> <_< aaahh i don't know if you've seen this  Mega 64 MGS4 but it looks like Kojima is a cool dude and gets along with ppl i don't think David Hater is angry your upset Kojima didn't ask him to write the movie but i think it would be better if he was part of MGS movie because he knows the character of Snake i don't think Kojima sold his soul because Rising isn't a real MGS game it probably has nothing to do with Snake and Kojima knows that and that's why he's doing Peace Walker because it has Snake i think he's just upset his crew isn't being well supported by Konami while he's making a true MGS while the rookie team is getting all the support for a spin off staring a gender confused emo robot punching bag

[Demon5500]

Poor Kojima, all ways trying to please, the Sony fanboys, and keep them happy, I here that Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker will come with a plastic pacifier and there will be a patch for MGS4, and yes it has sony logos on it ok guy's, you can suck on it while you read the posts:)

also

MGS has been on every console in history but you guys cant work that out can you,

[foreverflame]

Kojima is a f*cking joke this man does not know how to make video games,Have fun...Watching Movie gear solid IV on PS3 was a pain..but watching a 10 hr movies on ur PSP sux even more stupid sonyb0ts LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ceedubya9]

Wrong zone man. I know its hard to tell the difference sometimes, but yeah, wrong zone.

[foreverflame]

20 hr movie on ur PSP confirmed stupid sonybots get a DS instead

[ZOMBIEMAN1]

pissed Kojima prefers working on a true MGS game on PSP instead of a MGS spin off on 360 or that the closest thing to MGS you get is a whiny emo gender confused robot that constantly gets beaten up and now it's Sonybots i thought the correct term was droid it is written in the 360 fanboy bible "Thow shall call your hated enemy droids and you will let us charge you for XBL and do not go against our lord and savior Bill Gates if thow refuse thow shall get the RROD " last year whenever MGS4 rumors on 360 came up you guys got excited for that 20 hr long movie now that you get a Kojimaless MGS all of a sudden it sucks again but know this a Kojimaless MGS is never as good as a Hideo Kojima game . got 2 words for ya 360 freak , SUCK IT !!!!

[kraze07]

I don't care if they get along or not I just hope the games are good.

[THC CELL]

i wonder if the MGr team push him to make a new game for the ps3
lol
would be funny if they ripped the game to bits lol

[Keowrath]

PS3 and PSP owner here... I'm looking forward to both games, don't know what the big deal is.

Then again, I'm a Kojima/Metal Gear fan. I've enjoyed the Metal Gear games probably more than any other series. Anything that extends the story (and does it well) be it Canon or not is fine in my books.

[creepjack]

MGS4 sucked balls. It is a last gen game with a next gen coat of paint. Sure, the game looks great and has a nice cinematic feel to it, but the gameplay sucked hard. Horrible controls and animations ripped straight out of the PS1 era. If any other game played like that, it would get reamed.

This franchise hasn't aged well, because it hasn't evolved to meet today's standards in gameplay. Maybe a new team is just what this franchise needs.

[Gamer1111]

i agree the other mgs games where much better... sony should do a MGS blu-ray collection. i mean gow did it MGS should do it...also socom

[Gamer1111]

MGS rising will be a awesome game.....i bet it will crush mgs4 in term of actually game play hopefully at least 15 hours instead of 5 hours

[Eamon]

"It's a riot to watch all of the people that attacked MGS4 and Kojima now talk about Rising. ha ha, too much."

You are a sad strange little man.

[hates video games]

Rising is more then likely going to be pure trash. Oh well, I was hoping for MGS5 this E3. But instead we got this...... I hate run offs.

[devilhunterx]

XDF are now comparing PSP graphics with PS3/XB2.

Doesnt stupidity have a finish line or something. Something like, YOU CANT CROSS THIS LINE. If not, really need one.