Gran Turismo 5's damage modelling is unfinished

Gran Turismo 5's damage modelling is currently unfinished, according to Polyphony Digital head Kazunori Yamauchi.

[The_Beast]

Bugatti veyron.... im letting that car get a single scratch....

oh we'll lets see how good the damage will be...it seemed too simple... PD and simple dont rhyme.

[36T]

It's funny that they say the games's finished and now that the damage is GARBAGE, it's unfinished.

"Im still turning it off when i drive my Bugatti veyron.... im letting that car get a single scratch...."

If you drive properly then the car will stay in top shape, no? Why somebody would turn off damage is hard to understand. Oh wait, it just clicked. Racing games without damage are better since GT5 can't do it right. Did you see the bumper bouncing left and right like it was hanging off some pole? Maybe they should let the bumper spin at full speed and make GT5 a flight simulator.

I would love to make a wager with somebody, that when PD saw Forza 3, they went back to the drawing board because their game was inferior. Five years in the making and the damage looks like something that could be used in Mario Cart.

[SnuggleBandit]

^^^ man did your mommy help you write that or did you think of it all by yourself??

[The_Beast]

what part of this is there first steps for damage dont you understand you stupid retarded fatass

[Ilikegames76]

The same could be said about the xbox 360, it's an unfinished console, hence the 54.2% hardware defect. The good thing about GT5 is that it could be patched, while the same could not be said about the 360.

[wxer]

yah this is to all the whiners out there
whining about the damage in GT5

[The_Beast]

PD would leave damage this simple

i know the bots do.....

[dustgavin]

That's because the 360 owners are used to having features cut from their games. I still think Forza racers must all be vampires since they can onyly drive during the day.

[Tr10wn]

What's your point..? Vampires go out of their graves at night to suck the blood of the living not to drive and since Forza 3 is a racing game and have only day i don't get your point lol

But getting more into the article Kazunori Yamauchi told IGN that not every car will support damage so i don't know what is the mega hype with the damage just launch the game already...

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

I thought they said that this game was already finished???

[-MD-]

"GT5 is complete we can launch at anytime" Is what I remember hearing.

[Cyrax_87]

actually I think they said something like "we could release the game at any time but we want to polish some things up"...or something like that.

[N4G king]

i think they started adding damage at the last moment

but hey
the game still getting in Q4 2009

[RememberThe357]

but that it could still be worked on. If it was "finished" it would have a release date by now.

[techie]

It's also interesting to hear that Polyphony might be testing the damage out on gamers, since Yamauchi-san adds "we’re interested to know how far the players want to go."

They want player and journalist feed-back.

[Bathyj]

They're probably nervous because gamers today are such ungrateful pr*cks. Sorry to be the one to have to say it but I mean, what was all the complaining about from the demo? What do people want? Full realism?

Ok, drive your car at 60kph, thats right 1st gear. Hit a wall, and render your car undrivable.

No thanks. Even sims still live in the realm of fantasy, where I had handle a 1000 horse power engine at 300kph, and year scape off the occasional tire barrier without having to start again.

I like the idea that sometimes you car wont be able to finish the race if you've particularly rough with it, or just a flat out moron, but there like every game there needs to be a balance between realism and fun. Cos thats what its all about remember. Fun?

[hay]

@Bathyj: Actually I would love to see Ultra Realistic mode in GT5 with as realistic car damage as possible. Not the whole game just the mode, GT5 is pretty nicely customizeable if it comes for rules. I guess that won't happen anytime soon.

[only on playstaychun]

I couldn't agree more with you mate. You spot on about the realism. If you guys want a 100% realistic racing sim, many people would become frustrated at how hard it would become to drive such fast cars. You gotta have limits. Thats the same thing as saying in FPS that you should be incapacitated after getting shot once, or that enemies should only take one bullet to kill.

You can't expect them to have 1000 cars with full detail and damage in a very short amount time, hence why GT5 has been in development for so long, so that when it releases it actually achieves the DEFINITIVE RACING SIM title.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

But a game that is supposedly called the best vehicle SIM out there SHOULD have realistic damage. If not than you might as well call yourself just an arcade racer.

[Lifendz]

but I just want the game. I could care less about damage to cars. I lived w/o it in every GT up till now.

[morganfell]

Some concessions have to be made until hardware evolves and you can get the Gibson simstim. By that I mean when you are running a sim you do not have all the normal sensory data you have when behind the wheel. You can't "feel" the car, feel gravity, or any such useful input such as normal behind the wheel SA.

[Chubear]

You think adding damage in game development is like cooking or something? Stick your finger in for taste and go "Uhm,needs salt"? You can't just "add damage at the last minute" It's something you plan from the beginning to either do or not do, not during development and certainly not at the tail end of development.

And all this focus on damage as if that's what quantifies a sim is total BS severly pushed by the 360base. GT presents 50X more things to push it as a world renowned sim. To the world Forza is a VG but there are race car pros, people in the automotive industry that dont' even play VGs at all that wait on this game cause it does indeed display the very best sim like features for it's era on every launch.

Right now, the 360 fanbase are essentially comparing Forza with last gen GT cause we haven't had a current gen GT yet. When GT comes out it would be a sad day indeed if the PRO360 FUD machine aids in limiting sales of yet another great game that pushes limits over a game that's no where near in quality.

[Syronicus]

Imagine that!

He said something to the effect that he could release the game any time but with the time remaining, they were going to make it even better than they have already. You ask for damage and you get it and yet you still complain. Fear wears so well on the sleave of an Xbox fan...

Here's a tip, shut your mouth and enjoy the games.

[LiL T]

By your logic shouldn't a race sim with one button racing and rewind also be considered a arcade racer.

On topic: I hope they make it so you can adjust the level of damage like in the Dirt series. I do like the fact that the race cars have damage. That way if you bring your 1000hp race car to a race with regular cars you will be somewhat penalised with damage so you can't just push your way through.

[Marceles]

The only people whining about damage are people that don't like GT as much as other racers, mostly Forza fans that won't even touch GT and want to find some reason to feel that Forza is better. Even if damage is included for all cars they're gonna find something else stupid to cry about, so I say just leave a perfect game alone.

[gambare]

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But a game that is supposedly called the best vehicle SIM out there SHOULD have realistic damage. If not than you might as well call yourself just an arcade racer. "

Burnout Paradise has car damage, that makes it a realistic racer?

[only on playstaychun]

I beg to differ. The best vehicle SIM out there (like you said), should offer the best driving experience out there in relation to its competitors (GRID, Forza and NFS). And no other game does it better than GT5 no matter how you spin it. 1000 cars, 80+ tracks, WRC and Nascar licenses just proves that. Either way you look at it GT5 offers damage, while Forza 3 doesn't; regardless if it is done to perfection or not.

[Chubear]

This is what the "naysayers" do all the time with PS3 exclusives. They hang on one TINY thing, exaggerate it and naw it to death. In Uncharted it was that one mission shown with the jet ski "it has boring gameplay" then for Killzone 2 it was "teh exploding barrels" when virtually ever shooter has that and has become part of gameplay for the genre.

I remember MGS4 "iz teh movie. cutscenes too long" Isn't that the greatest compliment to a VG, that it's just like a movie? and then the act like MGS4 was the 1st time ever that MGS game has long cutscenes. That's part of the series for years but they hang on that ONE thing and beat it to death 'till they get a number of fools actually believing their crud.

Happened with Lair b4 it's launch with "Oh look lol, teh grass textures"... frikgen grass! and this was for incomplete coding being shown. What was ironic is that when halo3 launched it had the same exact grass texturing as the unfinished coding for Lair and nobody even batted an eyelid. However, Lair's "grass textures" came out great in the end but by then they had something more meaty to grab onto "lol teh IGN say iz teh fail! stupid droids"

Not one game I see on the 360 pushes gaming at all. Not one game really tries to push variety and truly new innovation but you see soooo many of them on the PS3 and all you see are naysayers staunchly on the go to kill of these new IPs no matter what.

Before is was that "GTp/5 will have 2D textures in teh rear view mirror" but they bow to forza's "environments" like it's the second coming when in fact a game like Ridge Racer 7 had even better background environments. Go on, go look and compare for yourselves. It's sickening the culture of one of these fanbase and I for one look forward to the day they all eat crow for trying to limit our gaming experiences.

[poopsack]

its only definitive if u can rewind

[beardpapa]

Chubear you forget the typical Killzone 2 tagline : "It haz noe colourz! ROFL LOL!"

But then it's perfectly fine for Lost Planet 2's dark gray/black *tentacle* boss level to remain that way.

And remember the talk about GT's trees???????? X-shaped trees! Forza 3 has them too kiddies.

I think now the complaint is that the shadows are "flickering" too much in those gamescom GT c0ckpit videos. I wonder if these people have ever driven a car in broad daylight driving under lots of trees. Gee...

[Loxhart]

@Chubear

I couldn't agree more, it's like they're struggling to find out new ways to defend their 'almighty console'. Yet most of the time they fail to realise how good a game looks and only focus on the cons and not the pros of it. Fanboyism have reached the pinnacle of idiocy. I bow to them. NOT!

As for GT5 there's nothing really wrong about it.

[Chubear]

It's very mystifying a lot of the time. It's as if they're hell bent on the PS3 failing no matter what. They just don't care about better gamign experiences, they just want to "win" and have the PS3 die off.

I mean you'll see them talk about Section 8 like "Oh that looks very interesting. A lot of potential" but look at KZ2 and go "meh, generic!"

You think they'd have looked at Haze as "teh flopz" if it went 360 exclusive instead? They would have beat their chests at how the PS3 couldn't do these kind of graphics proper and we all would have been scratching our heads going "wha...?"

I'm convinced that the majority of a certian fanbase really don't give a toss about advancing the gaming industry. They just want to "win" regardless of if we end up with the same ol' same ol' but repackaged in HD. It's repulsive.

[LiL T]

Don't forget about one button racing, sticker editor and body kits which all make you drive better and a better sim.

[Gue1]

Realistic damage doesn't equals realistic driving. Or you just drive around to crash your car everyday @Halo3 MLG Pro?

Gran Turismo it's called: the real driving simulator!

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BTW if all the cars will not have damage then I prefer to not have any damage at all because that's just Lame! =/

Why are PD rushing the game so much these days? They should release it next year after they include damage for every car... But the spring it's so crowded that they will need to wait until summer or later to release it and that's like, too much time?

The Gran Turismo PsP looks much more complete than GT5 for the PS3, the really important one. Who cares about GT PsP anyway? That game's going to flop so hard on sales it's sad.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

WOW. Looks like I hurt some feelings. I have a legitimate argument and not trying to be a fanboy but I think if you are going to call yourself "the definitive driving simulator" than you must have realistic damaging or at least attempt to have some damaging. How many times do you see people just driving at top speeds around a corner just to use the walls to slow you down with no effect? Well you have to have some sort of consequence for reckless driving. I know with Forza you try to pull that stunt and your car will suffer major or minor damage depending on your speed that will definitely affect the way you drive. Without damage you pretty much get a game of bumper cars.

[Chubear]

^^ that's not how it works. You're not going going to be racing with cars that may or may not have damage. If you're in a off road or Nascar race then ALL vehicles would have damage if turned on.

On other traditional GT races you'll have the regular stuff. Dont know if they'll have the damage option for F1 races but we'll find out more soon enough.

@1.25
Oh do STFU already with your lame arguments. So you think all these arcade racers are sims cause they have damage on every car? The point in a racing sim is to drive not crash. That's not what racing sims are about.

[Loxhart]

"I have a legitimate argument and not trying to be a fanboy but I think if you are going to call yourself "the definitive driving simulator" than you must have realistic damaging or at least attempt to have some damaging."

Lol, put emphasis on attempt to have some damage.

xD. Doesn't GT5 have damage already? So they've attempted it, perfectly fine then right? Your reasoning fail and your username just gives you're identity away on which "console" your loyal to.

[jib]

chillout kids. no ones saying GT isn't going to be great because it will be. few of us just really wish the damage system was better. it doesn't have to be super realistic, just a little closer to it than how it is now

"The only people whining about damage are people that don't like GT as much as other racers" "focus on damage as if that's what quantifies a sim is total BS"... you guys are delusional

ever think that maybe some people are more hard core than others(me). i want my racing sims to be as real as possible--simulate real life racing as close as it can. IMO, the penalty for racing mistakes with limited damage is way too low(this goes for both forza/GT)

[Raf1k1]

'if you are going to call yourself "the definitive driving simulator" than you must have realistic damaging'

I don't know if you noticed but GT5 is a 'driving simulator' not a car damage simulator. The driving part of the game seems to live up to that.

It would be awsome to have simulated damage in GT5 but like I've said so many times, it takes a crap load of time and resources to be able to add that kind of thing to any game. Every car would need it's own damage modelling for it to even look like it might be simulated (and that's not even true simulation it's just the normal damage modelling we're used to except it's done for each car). There's no way anyone can get away with using the same damage for similar vehicles and call it simulated damage.

edit:
Take a look at this:
http://www.gameinfowire.com...

Tell me if you think it's feasable to do the following for every car:
Damage types are:
'* mentioned before scratches of the paint
* damage of the body of the car, such as:
o impactions and partial or full detachments of bumpers
o full and partial detachments of spoilers
o impactions of: wings, doors, bonnets, roof
o full and partial detachments of doors and bonnets
o cracking and full breaking of glasses in all windows
o damage of reflectors and wipers
* damage of suspension and brakes
o ripping tyres and their loss
o flapping wheels and their detachment
o damage of springs and dampers
o damage of stabilizers
o damage of brakes of separate wheels
* damage of engine and transmission system
o damage of the cooling and lubrication system resulting in engine overheating and seizing
o damage of the turbine influencing the power of the engine
o damage of the engine decreasing its power and finally stopping the vehicle
o damage of the clutch and gearbox eliminating gears or impeding their usage'

That's some info about Xpand Rally from 2004 so it's likely that it's now easier to implement that kind of thing into modern racing games
but PD being devs that take their time with what they do who knows when it would be released if they decided to do this kind of thing for every vehicle in game.

[callahan09]

And Yamauchi never says that the damage modeling is unfinished. His exact statement was: GT5 code brought to GamesCom "marks only the first step of what we want to achieve for damage."

This does not indicate anything other than that the code on display at GamesCom is incomplete. There's nothing that says Polyphony Digital hasn't already achieved much more and has code closer to what could be final, because developers are never able to bring the latest code to these trade shows. Most code brought to these shows is pretty out-dated compared to the code they're working with internally at their offices.

[techie]

true, true, true.

[rockleex]

GT5 Prologue gives the player options between standard physics and simulation physics.

They should do the same for damage.

[Kleptic]

Halo MLG is exactly right imo...and I am a huge GT fan; have been since the first GT...

imo its simply typical japanese arrogance...the same kind of arrogance that got Sony in trouble with the launch of the PS3...which is bizarre, as most Japanese heavy weights in this industry blame American companies for being arrogant...in some cases it doesn't matter...Kojima has this type of personality too, but constantly over delivers on what he promises...but that doesn't change back handed PR like 'no hardware on earth has the capability of rendering my 'true vision''...

yeah...PD's head stated 'the game is finished, we could release it at any time if we wanted to'...then just 2 months later states 'damage modeling is unfinished'...simple PR garbage...its why more than anything development studios should just keep their mouth shut once they have shown anything of the game...

now its ok if this was some dated build of the game, and that version had unfinished damage...but that is most likely not the case...

and the entire problem with only 'race cars' having damage (which I still have not seen confirmed from PD) doesn't hold either...as it appears right now that GT5, damage wise, is no different than any other modern racing game with damage modeling...as in...its nothing overly special or realistic...Forza 3 has the same thing...just doors and parts flying off, but not in any realistic way if 2 cars collide at over 150mph...i understand that overly realistic simply makes a racing game unfun (i.e. try the true simulation tires in GT2...its a nightmare)...also, to my understanding...the core physics dynamic implemented to car damage is not a model by model situation...its something they can apply to ever car model with mild tweaks...its not something they need to build from scratch for all 900 cars...

so maybe it is manufacturers not allowing it because the cars look so photo-realistic...but then why do other games with nearly identical damage not have that problem?...Forza 3 has it...and yes, there is credible evidence the car models are not quite up to GT5 (mostly due to inaccurate lighting)...but is it enough of a difference that Ferrari would let their cars break apart in Forza 3, but not in GT5?...I highly doubt that...

so the only thing worth mentioning is the irony of the entire situation...Japan claims Americans are arrogant...yet the reality is that THEY are far more arrogant...true Turn 10 shot their mouth off at E3 a little too much...but PD is hardly coming around in slapping them in the face right now...they are simply making their own PR mess at the same time...whatever...both games will be great...

[cmrbe]

The concept of realistic crash/damage simulation in software is not possible at the moment. If it was, the auto industry would be using software to model crash and damage simulation instead of using crash test facilities like they have done for ages.

This is a concept video gamers still don't get. Crash and damage simulation gamers have seen sofar in game are just for fun and they are not meant to be taken seriously at all. It is why no professional or car manufacture is using any damage simulation from any video games for their work.

Driving simulation on the other hand is possible with current hardware and software. This is why GT was always tagged "the real driving simulator". GT was always about driving for most people that couldn't afford to drive cars in GT in real life and this is why even professionals use GT "driving simulation" for their work.

[nbsmatambo]

idk if the damage is life like r not, i dont think others will care either cuz GT has sold 50M + copies without damage...that obviously means the people didnt care about it in the first place, whether its good or not its still betr than having nothing..

[Above Awesome]

Good to hear it's unfinshed. I was getting blasted in the other thread saying that it could use some work. Lost a bubble instantly for saying it.

Eagerly awaiting release.

[randomwiz]

Personally, I think damage adds to the game, but I really don't want them to waste time on it if they could be working on something else.

But then again, they probably already perfected everything in this game, so they're just adding damage because they have nothing else to do.

[Szarky]

"Some concessions have to be made until hardware evolves and you can get the Gibson simstim. By that I mean when you are running a sim you do not have all the normal sensory data you have when behind the wheel. You can't "feel" the car, feel gravity, or any such useful input such as normal behind the wheel SA."

Try a G25 wheel. It's actually very good at giving you the feeling of being in a real car. It's hard to explain, you really just have to try it for yourself.

[Greywulf]

I mean theres been 50 million copies sold, its a household name by now.

[xTruthx]

inderective fanboy comments got over there ---->
Btw what happened here? http://www.youtube.com/watc...
what did you say about forza's crashing into another cars ? oh yeah

[coolirisGB]

lol 40 disagrees? They did say it was ready/finished.

[N4G king]

cant wait to see the final results

[N4PS3G]

He says this are only the first steps of what damage it's going to be and expects to release in Q4 09?

This guy must be prettyyy talented and fast if this are only the first steps and still plans to ship on 09

[N4G king]

they can do it

1- Polyphony Digitals team is NOT small
2- this is not their first GT game

so i think yah
he knows what he is saying
and they'll do it for sure

[yoghurt]

The quote in the article reads

"the GT5 code brought to GamesCom "marks only the first step of what we want to achieve for damage."

The area here you need to look at is 'the GT5 code bought to Gamescom'

This could mean that the current level the game is at is much different from what was bought to Gamescom.

[N4PS3G]

@N4G King

I know their team is big.. i don't doubt they could do it

but like you said..this is not their first GT ..but its the first time they add damage to GT..and for the impressions it's been getting..you might see that it's not that easy to implement a robust damage system in a short period of time.

[MGOelite]

q4 could mean march 2010 you know, thats 6 months to do a bit of damage modeling, easy job

[techie]

Nah it's calender Q4, not financial Q4

[thor]

Yeah well I think everyone sensible amound us has realised that it's not going to be "the most realistic damage evar" as some fanboys were proclaiming - rather, it's going to be an average effort. But don't forget - a year ago there was NO damage at all, so actually they've achieved a lot in a relatively short space of time. I'm sure they have time to improve it further.

Still very disappointing that there won't be damage for all cars.

[Rock Bottom]

They only use financial quarters for financial reports and that sort of stuff.

[LiL T]

PD also just added a bunch of people to thier GT5 team which will hopefully bring the game out this year.

@Thor : I think it will be the most realistic damage we have seen on consoles so far.

[weazel]

Don't think he meant that it would be "finished" with GT5. Knowing PD they'd either release it as an update at a later stage, or have it completely nailed for GT6(prologue?).

[thereapersson]

We'll have a ton of armchair critics and shut-in "game experts" trying to critique this statement, and I'm sure this comments page will reach at *least* 80 responses, if not more.

I can see the sickening onslaught already. Just watch...

[Model]

nice to see bots care so much about this game

[wxer]

lol
yah
the first one to comment in the gamer zone was

"Halo3 MLG Pro"

loooooooooooool

[36T]

LOL! Funny that you mention that. So what's your excuse for all the PS3rd fanboys posting the first ten comments in ALL 360 related articles?

"nice to see bots care so much about this game"

It's also nice to see that so many of you PS3rd fanboys care about Forza when you idiots out number the 360 fans in the message section. It's just funny reading the messages because you hype this game to no end and PD can't even get the damage right. Why is it only on a certain number of cars? Talk about an unfinished game. Did PD start the damage the day after seeing Forza 3 at E3?

So far the damage in GT5 is laughable! buu..buuuu..ummmmmm...buuut.. damage doesn't matter!! It matters to everybody else besides GT fans. I wonder why that is?

@ z-hayden 1.2

"man did your mommy help you write that or did you think of it all by yourself??"

No arguement? What's wrong, nothing left on that SPIN LIST to answer back with? Don't worry, i'm sure a few of your N4G buddies will come with a few creative spins of their own. Btw, how's that blockbuster Fat Princess that was supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread? Spell it with me, F.. L.. O.. and... take a guess!

[Sonyfanclubpresident]

gaystation3tards are as dumb as they come.

[wxer]

BLAH BLAH BLAH

would you like nice cup of STFU ??

[-DeathWraith-]

Well nah, no s***!

[only on playstaychun]

Wrong post...

[PotNoodle]

Still un-needed. Its nice to have it on rally cars because they get naturally damaged by the enviroment, but for all the rest. Crashing is supposed to be a rare occurance, so damage isn't really needed.

If you're crashing, you're doing it wrong.

[Karum]

Well said that man. Damage is nice and all but it's not really a necessity.

[beardpapa]

*On Lap 299 / 300 1st place out of 16*

"WALL! WALL!"

"Damn it! Hit the wall! Tires blew..... it's over...."

*On Lap 300 / 300 16th place out of 16*

"The engine's not firing up still.... can't roll into pit stop... Grr.. the damage is too realistic! 299 Laps gone to waste. If only there was a rewind button..... oh the irony."

any of you raced a game like that only to lose at the very last lap after being leader for some time?

[thor]

That scenario sounds exciting to me. It's called an endurance race for a reason. You need to keep concentrating the whole time round the track. Real racing drivers have to put up with that.

Of course, there's the other issue that a 300 lap race is a bit stupid really. In GT, you can generally win by just getting a slightly faster car than everyone else - this is still the case even with performance points. So after 10 laps you'll be in first, and then you're just lapping all your opponents every 30 laps or so. So that kind of endurance race isn't really that fun anyway.

Though I do think it's funny how all this time GT fans have been proclaiming how it's so superior to Forza thanks to its realism, and then when you suggest that the damage is far from realistic they shout "BUBU IT'S ABOUT FUN NOT REALISM". Of course Forza's damage is also far from realistic, but it's better than GT's. And it has that lovely rewind feature you mentioned. "BUBUBU THAT'S STUPID IT'S ABOUT REALISM NOT FUN".

[LiL T]

I have some straws for you here all you have to do is reach for them.

[techie]

Endurance race with pit-stops...you should be stopping every 10 or so laps for a change of tires anyway. I don't think Forza 3 has pitstops...

[Grandreaper9999]

^

Oh, they'll have pitstops.

They'll be for putting your stickers back on, and for new coats of wax.

:D

I don't remember, but did Forza have pitstops? They could have, I just can't remember. I'm gonna assume they did.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

Forza 2 has pit stops. If you crashed and mangled your bumpers or wings off, and was able to make it to a pit stop, your car would somewhat be fixed but not cosmetically... and ur car would still sorta run like crap (if i recall correctly as far as performance goes)... but a pitstop doesn't make your car into the cosmetic beauty it was at the start of the race

[beardpapa]

heh I'm just recalling my experience from playing those PC nascar / indycar games from back in the 90s. Forza 2 does have pitstop if I remember... pops on new tires but the car still runs like crap though if there's an engine or axle problem.

[GMWPS3]

They can launch the game as is and in the future add the damage code as a download, along with whatever new cars are out by then. There you go, a win - win situation for all!

[Grandreaper9999]

Patching in damage later seems like the only way they could make a Q4 09 release date. Then again, we don't know how far they're actually going with the damage, or how far they are as of now.

[Antan]

Same things been posted a few times already.

[heylo]

I wouldn't care if they dropped damage at all because a driving sim like GT is all about NOT crashing
if I wanted car crashing action I could play Burnout or Motorstorm

[Vitalogy]

I'm not a GT games fan, but i got to say that this game is taking so damn long to be released and in the end i think users will get a bit disapointed with it for somehow.

But hei, that's my opinion.

[MaximusPrime]

damage or not, Gran Turismo 5 is going to be a great game

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

Unfinished??? did you even read the article?

It's a test on gamers. Just like how Yamauchi released spec I, II, III updates for GT5p he might to the same for the damage modelling on every single car in GT5.

After all this is the first time he's implementing damage in a GT game so he wants to perfect it now so when he works on GT6 it'll be perfect on release day without having to update.

[NaiNaiNai]

GT2 had damage, not visible but actual damage in the game, if you hit something breaks, tires, and other issues would pop up.

[36T]

LOL.. okay there buddy! I love reading the sad excuses that the PS3rd followers come up with.

"Unfinished??? did you even read the article?"

Yes i did. Did you watch the videos of that damage? VERY unfinished. Like Mario Cart unfinished. The car parts fall off or hang in perfect shape without a scratch or a dent.

btw, if you have anything left in that pipe you're smoking, you should share some of that with the rest of us.

[dustgavin]

And I love watching jealous 360 fans swamp the Ps3 rooms out of envy.

[NaiNaiNai]

Unfinished damage, No weather system shown, not night time racing shown, and the game is supposed to release 4th quarter of 09. XD okay sure. believe what you want.

[wxer]

"Unfinished damage, No weather system shown, not night time racing shown, and the game is supposed to release 4th quarter of 09. XD okay sure. believe what you want"

have you seen your brain ???
i dont really think so

dose that mean you dont have any brain ???

standing from youre logic
yes, you dont have a brain

:)

[LiquifiedArt]

...Damage will be adjustable.

It would alienate too many people to have it realistic. I'm all for realism personally but i'm sure it will be something the player can adjust. I just hope their are options to set the damage model in online events to a certain setting.

[wxer]

look at all the xbot trolling it a ps3 write
lol

[The_Beast]

wtf... gt5 damage isnt finshed!!! danm!!!

[Grandreaper9999]

I was always happy with GT having the tire wear and that's it. I WAS a little annoying that the cars couldn't flip though. I tried so many times it just wasn't possible.

I've got my fingers crossed for the Zonda, Vector, ZZI/II and the F1 Cart Car all coming back. I could care less about damage. Just give me fun cars to drive and tire wear. Besides, cars are NOT very tough pieces of machinery when you apply breakneck speed to them, crash one into a wall going at 180kmh and see if you'll be able to continue driving it.

If they insist on adding in car damage, they could do it like good ol' Carmageddon, and have most of the damage inside parts that affects the driving. It IS "the Real DRIVING Simulator" right? Not a smash-up derby simulator.

[DigitalAnalog]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Kazonuri said there would be interior or was it cocpit (stupid spellcheck c*ck blocking) can't a damage? If so, I didn't see it in the GamesCom video.

[PirateThom]

Really, no one has any idea but it wouldn't surprise me if that Gamescom damage build was old to guage a reaction without showing off any interior damage... especially being limited to one car/one track.

[PirateThom]

I wish I was playing the game right now. :(

[DigitalAnalog]

I can wait for PD to perfect the game. For now I can deal with NFS: Shift. They did claim that it will challenge Forza 3, let's see.

[devilhunterx]

Its a good thing none of the xbots are racing drivers. All they will keep doing is crashing headfirst into the wall instead of drive. Cause you know, its more "realistic" that way.

[Sunny_D]

Lol, I hope the day never comes when those tikesters get their learner's permit! D:

[JonnyBigBoss]

I thought the damage was sufficient, and a little polish would make it good enough to not drag down the experience.

[ironmonkey]

wow already claiming a game better than gt5 but you havent played it yet? sorry bud but online streaming gameplay/images on the internet dont cut it makes me think of another racing game people were saying was better than gt4 hmmm lemme think something maybe like race pro? lol man get out of here! sorry but gt is to known it sells like halo sells

[xg-ei8ht]

They said that about the 360.

M$ - Are we ready to release the 360?

Engineer - No, still has heat problems and disc drive is playing up.

M$ - Do you think taking the rubber pads out of the drive was a mistake.

Engineer - Of course it was

M$ - We had to make it cheaper to build.

Engineer - What about the heat Problems as well.

M$ - We'll fix it as we go, Lets release it now.

Engineer - It's not been tested properly for long enough are you mad!

Dev - Is it 100% ready and where are our dev kits.

M$ - Yes it's 100% reliable and your dev kits are on the way.

Engineer a few months later - INCOMING!!!!!!!

[PS360PCROCKS]

get a life...

[PS360PCROCKS]

Good. I was right, I knew they wouldn't release it so half ass. But on the flipside, not all cars will feature damage. Now how's that work? for an example: A porsche can be torn apart but a lamborghini can't? How do you race that way? if you have a lambo you can ram the A.I. and make the game stupidly easy. On the flip side the game can ram you and F up your car. This is just too weird

[Szarky]

Agreed. It's going to be confusing. Will they have a separate class of some sort just for racing cars that can damage then? Either way it's going to be weird I think. Like you said, I'll be racing and my car will be able to damage but the others guys won't? How crappy will it look to smash into someone and have your car totally messed up and then look at the other guys car and see it all nice and shiny!?!

I don't even care about damage, I have my G25 wheel so I'll be driving all the cars in c*ckpit view.

edit: WOW, I can't use the word c o c k =)

[beardpapa]

I think people need to start talking about damage in two different terms - driving damage and damage modeling. It's possible to just incorporate driving damage to the system and have damage modeling available only to several select cars. Unfortunately, the media and everyone gossiping about GT5's damage never really differentiated between the two. For all I know, it doesn't really make much sense to incorporate driving damage only to the cars that also have model damage deformation. It'd be like you guys said, strange to have some cars affected by damage and some just plain immortal.

[A LIVING LEGEND]

Did say that GT5 was good to go or some variant of "ready to launch anytime". Perfectionism aside,reasonable expectations aside, reality dictates that this game has had plenty of ' development' time.It had better be 'racing sim defined' given the time afforded,at this point I am more annoyed than anticipatory.Damage modelling.......fine,damage control........not to be confused.GET IT OUT.

[ThePistolWhippedDog]

First & foremost I chose PS3 this gen because its obvious we have the superior system. I remember before the PS3 launch when they had the boomerang controller design they promised GT5 would be released relatively soon. I'm not sure on exact dates but i do know that 3 years is long enough for a damn video game. GT5 prologue has been milked long enough and I just really don't care about a PSP GT release. GT5 isn't the only problem here though its good games in general for the PS3 A.K.A exclusives. Yes we have better games overall than that XBOX junk but 5 or 6 stand out exclusives in 3 years is a joke. Admit it most you are playing games that are on 360 as well and that for me isn't good enough since we can do much, much better. We have the power so lets use it and quit being scared to make some truly stand out games just like LBP did & throw some RPG's in there as well because this gen is a sad story for RPGers.

[level 360]

I believe most ( if not all comments, who don't really read beyond then next paragraph.. ) have already assumed the demo at GamesCon will be the final version before release when it was clearly stated this was a trial version.

That they ( Sony/Polyphony ) still have to further sort-out ideas that needs to be included concerning damage-mode., I do think they have about another 3 1/2 or more months to do this sorting before GranTurismo 5 will hit the shelves.