Gay Gamers taking a Stand

'Gaymers' Pride

Gay gamers want the opportunity to play as homosexual characters in games and say same-sex kissing in 'Bully' is a good start. (4.13.07)

[HaKeRsCanRotINHEL]

気遣うかだれが陽気なgamersを、知っている。 その同類は皆この頃は余りに陽気な人々または何かを曲げなければ ならない。 私は性交をそれ言う。 ゲイは涼しいの私のろば! : ) WORD...

[Arkham]

Imagine that. The first assinine comment was in the very first post. Wow.

Grow up.

[HaKeRsCanRotINHEL]

I could care less about what "gamers" think or want! In general, if your gay thats your business don't force it on me.

[techie]

"Gay people need to get over themselves" WTF.

[Arkham]

Google translation of your Japanese comments:

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And just for the hell of it, I ran it through Chinese-to-English too:

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(Yeah, it's a slow day.)

[HaKeRsCanRotINHEL]

Google needs to hire some new translators. :)

[Rooted_Dust]

If homosexual people want more gay characters, they better go out and found their own studio, because no developer is going to make a game that repels most of the gaming community. Also if 'gaymers' have a problem with the homophobia of the gaming community, they had better grow thicker skins, because as much as they have the right to be gay, other gamers have the right to reject it. I am not a homophobe, but I am a realist, and I can't see any developer taking this seriously...maybe Rockstar :P.

[techie]

UH...how confusing.

[nice_cuppa]

ha ha ha !

[techie]

FOr a start "Gaymers"... what a horrible term.

I do see where they are coming from...when games have options about sexual things...such as bully or sims, then their option should be allowed. But often when a game...eg. Gears...has overt hetrosexual men as the characters...well that's their character. Often sexuality is nothing to do with this, but just a breadth of different characters is more healthy, perhaps less overtly hetrosexual americans in games? I don't know...I mean some Japanses games offer an alternative.

But really who knows whether half of these characters are gay or not...who knows and who cares?

[nice_cuppa]

cole started mincing about and singing its raining men !

i would die !

" oh baby that was a nice kill marcus !"

oh yeah ! you like that ?"

"hell yeah baby why dont you come over hear and ride the train !"

BOOM CHIC A WAA WAAAAAH !

[nice_cuppa]

come on marge its time to get homer sexual !

[techie]

"cole started mincing about and singing its raining men !" - well right there we have a misconception. Although that would be very funny...in this context if you think having gay characters means they mince, or as volupuntary says "stupid tinkle twat from zelda" - that means they are gay...well no it doesn't. As I said sexuality is not relevant for many games, scope of characters and non-sexual based humour is relevant. For games like Bully and the Sims, it should be an acceptable choice.

But I do find it quite disturbing that those reporting are doing so because they don't agreee with what is being said - it seems to be another way of silencing a minority.

I am not approving as I cannot see the video and see if it is worth anything. I don't think I agree with what they ask for though.

[bung tickler]

i reported it because i think the story is "lame" if that wasn't a valid reason to report a story why is it an option? this isn't news worthy. like i said they have that fairy from zelda and all those male spiky haired makeup wearing guys in like 90% of jap games. they have nothing to b!tch about.

p.s. just so everyone knows im not trying to hate on gays but like rooted said above "as much as they have the right to be gay, other gamers have the right to reject it."

[techie]

If you think it's lame that's fine, but your reasoning is insulting and flawed.

"like i said they have that fairy from zelda and all those male spiky haired makeup wearing guys in like 90% of jap games."

Many gay people are not feminine in the way you say, and that is quite insulting to infer that this is what is being talked about.

But still I partially agree that sexuality is not needed for characters in most games.

To below. Is it about playing as the character...or just having visibility within games as movies have done? This debate was made in the 1960's for the visibility of gay people in the media, maybe the debate should be held in that area. But really I'm not sure where I stand in this...i feel it is only relevant in games like Bully and The Sims.

[bung tickler]

you say what i'm saying is insulting, yet you say yourself it's about visibility... well you can't have it both ways! if they don't like the stereotypical "gay fairy" then what are they b1tching about in the first place? they can just pretend that mario takes it in the pipe if thats what would please them. but what they are asking for is VISIBLE GAYNESS and well then like i said before "they have that fairy from zelda and all those male spiky haired makeup wearing guys in like 90% of jap games."

[techie]

No they are not asking for "gayness". Uh. Look to Bully for what they may be looking for. Perhaps they are asking for less dominance in American games of overtly hetrosexual characters?

[OC_MurphysLaw]

That is pretty much where this kind of game would fall into. The masses don't want to play as a gay character. You at best get to choose male or female and that has a set path of voiceovers, annimations and story line. To create a additional 2...don't forget the lesbian version...it would mean twice as much voice, more annimations and possible content due to story differences. And this all for what percentage of possible sales...maybe 5%? (sorry I could be wrong but I just dont see the gay community being all that huge in gaming...nor big enough in one title to amount to a higher %). Anyway, it's just not good business strategy ....at this point. Put the stats up and make the business case and companies would listen, but with out the dollars...this is a pointless debate.

[Bill Gates]

You have got to be kidding me.

i agree with the very first comment on this thread.

[ElementX]

YAY I'm a gaymer, but it doesn't necessarily mean I want gay characters or stories or something, nor do I care about "gay themes" which certain people seem to find in every game ever made.

[tplarkin7]

"Gaymers" are taking a stand in demanding more beard rubbing in games. I say, leave the developers alone and stop pushing your absurd agenda on them.

[calderra]

I'm a fat gamer.
Doesn't necessarily mean I want more games with fat people in them.
Heh.

[specialguest]

If you look at the film, music, commercial, etc industry, there's a reason why you don't see many gay main characters, musician, and so on. That reason is because "gay" does not sell right now. Like all other industries, the video game business is about selling games and making money first and foremost before being about making a statement.

Society has come a long way since those racist and sexist era, but not quite far enough. The row of a main character in movies, tv, and video game usually caters to the majority of that countries population. Sure, once in a while you'll see a minority main character, but that character is usually built around racial stereotypes. If society has only come this far with ethnic minorities, then it has an even longer way to come for the gay community in my opinion.

Ok, back to the topic. I see nothing wrong with the option to be a gay character. The keyword is option. Bully is a good example. You can play the entire game without seeing any gay activities, but if a gay gamer wanted to kiss a guy, he could. Why would you(the non-gay) be pissed? since you will NEVER see that scene played out on your TV.

[Inasid]

First and foremost we are all gamers. I do not feel the need to specify on what type of gamer we are by...gender, race, age, citizenship, and sexual preference.

[spartan112g]

If you think there is nothing wrong with being gay than you are stupid. There shouldn't even be an option. Go hang yourself or something sickos. Go to HELL!!

[spartan112g]

I would never play a game with a gay person in it because that is just sick, wrong, and just plain sick. Go to HELL!!

[InMyOpinion]

Is that God speaking? lol!

[carlman23]

It's funny that, when 'Gaymers' ask for the opportunity to play gay characters in games, a bunch of the commenters immediately jump to the conclusion that they want gay characters to be forced on everyone. Gaming, at its best, is about choice. If a game gives you the opportunity to play the character of your choice, you don't have to choose to play a gay character. But claiming that developers have the right to 'reject gayness' is completely hypocritical because, by rejecting gayness, they're actually imposing their beliefs on their players... unlike what the gay community is trying to do.

Edit: Mind you, sex doesn't have to be a part of every game. I'm referring here to games where heterosexual marriage and/or sex is allowed, while the same homosexual activities would be banned.

[spartan112g]

They are imposing the right beliefs on gamers if they don't give them a choice.

[carlman23]

Hey spartan112g, have you ever thought that gay gamers may not believe in/care about your 'hell'. If you're convinced that they're going to burn, good for you, let them burn. What's it matter to you?

[snoop_dizzle]

some of them have been mentioned before but heres the whole list with a few new ones.

rainbow studios

buttpirate studios

raining men studios

macho man studios

village people studios

gaymers studio

btw i don't hate gays, if anything im kinda for your rights even though im Christian. Hey its not for me, but if i expect others to respect how i live, i gotta do the same to others.

[ITR]

rainbow studios

Sounds the best.

[progx]

This is the dumbest crap i've seen yet. People say that stuff all the time online, especially in gears of war in particular. *getting shot in the face tends to piss people off*. If hearing it really upsets you that much theres something wrong with you. Seriously though, theres even gays that don't agree with it. But in todays society, were gonna have to change for some tiny number of oversensitive crybabies.

[sumfood4u]

EVER SINCE THAT DUMB SNICKER KISS COMMERCIAL ON SUPERBOWL SUNDAY! GAY FELLAS BEEN TAKEN A STAND! NO MATTER WHAT PEOPLE ARE PREJUDICE AGAINST SOMETHING OR ANOTHER THING! IF YOUR GAY AN U KNOW IT CLAP YOUR A$$! IF YOUR GAY AN YOUR PROUD CLAP YOUR A$$. IF YOUR PROUD AN U SHOW IT, DEVELOP YOUR SYSTEM AN EXSPOSE IT! THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING!

[Inasid]

Try saying that with out the caps.

[neil1988]

you christians are so stupied most of you are hatful but most ov all there hypocrites. so you ppl go on with all your haterid and prejudice ways . and just remember christians are what have cased most of all the sufering and pain in the world sice it was made.from the dark ages and on. its a good thing that there losing there control over the goverment that will be a gerat day .

but any way i think there sould be gay characters. and there sould be options to make them that way in some games.and/ spartan112g/ i pity you for you seem to have much hatered for your ppl you musty hate diversity .but them monst christians do .

and the reson why you dont see much gay characters because the stuped christians that are in control of the goverment get made . but in the next 50 year all this will over and they will lose so just let them make there self look bad there just fighting agents the inevitable. pity

[Marriot VP]

please don't stereotype christians as "bad people" just because some kings and knights decided to go on crusades. Also you may be thinking the crazies on street corners telling you that you're going to burn in hell represent all christians -- please don't.

Oh and by the way, Christians DO NOT control hollywood or the gaming industry. Quite the opposite really. Yes there's a lot of christians in power politically, but all they can do is impose laws and vote on stuff. And I'm pretty sure there hasn't been any bills labeled "gay video game characters" Hollywood markets to the largest audience, ALWAYS. Until homosexuality becomes the majority...'rolls eyes', i'm sorry but those people will have to get used to the back seat.

[Inasid]

By all means if you are going to express your thoughts about certain religions or any other concerns, please click on that button marked "spell check." It will help people understand your message clearly instead of trying to decipher your crypted message.

[ApocalypseShadow]

but i don't see myself playing those type of games.would they even sell?

most characters we play as aren't pushing their sexual preference.they are only trying to save the world,land,friend,win a race,fight in one on one combat,etc.only a few games have characters like titus and yuna.

if they are willing to get devs to make games for them,then so be it.but i don't see myself buying the games because i can't relate to those characters.

i've had to deal with not seeing major african(american) characters in games since gaming started.in the beginning,they didn't exist.now there are at least some lead characters.but then, what about the asian community,native american,italian,mexican,spani sh,etc?

will there be a push for those type of games too?they deserve to be in games and in the best light.not criminals and gang members and terrorists.

[neil1988]

thats how i feel im tired of play hetrosexual characters . i cant relat to that .

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

You can't honestly think this reflects the entire gay community!

I don't like what they do because it's against God, but I DO respect them as human beings and they have the right to this...but game developers aren't stupid enough to do this...and them forcing it on us won't help them at all. <They don't all want to force it on us though.

That's like watching Joel Osteen and assuming that Christians are flakes that just want your money. You have to be so liberal-minded to think that everyone in a certain group thinks exactly the same.

Then again...most of you don't believe in God...which is a shame. I'm really sorry that there are a lot of "Christians" out there that have lied to and mocked you...saying they were Christians the whole way. Because that is NOT what a Christian is.

Just like any ethnic, religious, or cliche group...

We all have souls...and we aren't ALL doing the same thing.

[InMyOpinion]

So what you're saying is that christians are better than non-christians? I'm not ashamed, as a matter of fact I'm proud to be atheist. It shows I can think for myself, decide what's morally and ethically right/wrong without asking for god's permission (which can be twisted any way you want since religion is about interpretation.) I guess some people need strict guidelines to endure life and feel like they have a meaning, I'm just glad I'm not one of them.

[neil1988]

i do belevin god . and hes not agenst it . and i seaid most christians not all.you pp, ho hat gay ppl . your so silly and i pity you littil monkeys. lol. and im shur to get some loveul hatful response . but dont wory i dont care .

all we want is more diversity so we can relate to it

[Marriot VP]

Religion + Gays

Okay, let me explain this one, or atleast how I view it. I don't like to bring these discussions up but you guys started it.

Best way to view homosexuality as a christian is just that being gay IS a sin, that's undesputable. However whether your gay or not, it's just another sin so there's no difference between a "gay sinner" and a "normal sinner". All sins are equal, so having a gay friend is no different than having a non-christian friend. See, pretty simple.

Now if you have a gay Christian, than you have a problem

[snoop_dizzle]

i have been around some pretty uptight Christians, and yes they are a holes, it annoys me. However i do have Christian friends that are basically the nicest people you'd meet. They would not shove scripture down your throat or anything. Mostly they would just want to be friend.

I'm that way, while homosexuality isn't my thing, i don't hold that against anyone. WE can have differing opinions. Sadly many Christians are a holes, and I'm really sorry for that. Really if they want to truly convert someone they are causing their own problems.

If i actually knew you, i would befriend you not just to convert you.

Now does that mean i wont joke around? no, i do that about everything, i have nothing against the gay community, aside form me living a different lifestyle. Just like if i had different political opinions with someone, it wouldnt mean I would hate them for their views.

[Inasid]

Extremists are not good from any group.

[Nervsys]

I've always thought that all extremists should be taken outside and shot
;-)

[neil1988]

well weather you like it or not god is not agenst it. and im shur thats going to rilly tick you off lol .well as i saied befour i pitty you silly littil ones but oh well if you want to go on with your stupied way then hmmhmmmhmhmm poor poor poor littil ones. and just to say most of what the bible saeses are just tall tales and hemes. and im shur that is ging to meak you very very upset but too bad .but anyway we are hear to talke about VIDEO GAMES not sexual orientashion or religoin.so this is the last posting im going to make about this subgect.and all the ways your fighting for will fall in the next 50 years when religoing losess its control over the goverment .YESSSS.lol

but any way no more about this byeeeeee . lol lol hmmmhhhmmmmmmhmmm

[snoop_dizzle]

I'm not here to say you should live a certain way or anything.

my point is that you might actually find some Christians that are actually nice who actually would want to consider you as a friend regardless of your orientation or views.

I don't dislike someone cause they are Muslim or Jewish or whatever.

do i think we should debate? sure, if you want to, but I'm not going to force a view on you. Thats all.

Were done then.

[neil1988]

and one more thing im sorry if i seem mean but what spartan112g seaid made me very upset.

[Inasid]

Seriously, a Webster's dictionary would do you good. I am not sure if English is your 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th language, but please if you are in need of help just click on the spell check.

[snoop_dizzle]

sorry if i sounded mean with the names for the gay games studio names, i wasn't trying to be mean or anything.

[Marriot VP]

your sean connery

You can do whatever you want, like you said, "your the man now dog"

[progx]

Neil1988, another tard that knows jack squat. Just kill yourself already, save everyone the trouble of reading your hateful babble and atrocious handwriting.

[TylerDurden]

Like say the girls from DOA

Seriously though if there is a big market for this stuff I guess some studio should make it.

However having gay characters for the sake of making them gay when it doesn't fit in the story or the game is stupid. I mean we didn't see Marcus Fenix hook up with a chick. Even if they had him stop in the middle of blasting Locusts to hook up with some chick that wouldn't add to the game, it would prolly only distract from it. So if he's not hooking up with guys or gals where is their gripe?

How many action hero types have we seen with a gay lead character in the movie? None?

Maybe someone should dev an Alexander the Great game, that may appease the gaymer crowd. Or "Piano Hero" with Liberace. One other idea is write a game with the dude from N sync as the lead, and see how long you can keep the secret of being gay while being weary of the media and brushing off groupies for years.

[Bullseye]

For all we know many of our greatest gaming heros ARE gay.How do you know they are not? Unless the story indicates the characters sexual orientation one way or the other, we simply don't know. Maybe, just maybe at least one of the lead characters in gears is gay. Then there's the fighters from DOA Tekken,the possibilities are endless. . Unless you are ignorant enough to believe the stereo types, any hero or heroine may be gay or lesbian.Who really cares as long as they can blast the alien hordes? Of course,most games don't have any sexual content so its irrelevant, but if they did i would suggest you have a choice on the characters preferences,problem solved.

[progx]

Thats the gayest comment so far. The gears crew a bunch of queers? My @ss

[Bullseye]

Your a$$ or anyone else's a$$ And for your info, no i'm not.I'm a Liberal which is far worse! :)

[PhinneousD]

if it's an open world sim game, let every1 choose for themselves the outcome of who they want to kiss. i suppose i'm a 'gaymer' but i think that title is kinda lame. i don't wanna be singled out with my sexual preference. i'm a gamer, have been since i was 6, i choose to leave the 'y' for my personal life.

[BrotherSic]

Great reply Jenzo, I dont really have anything to add :)

[The great 1]

So if the gaymers don't like it don't buy it as simple as that, oh and mabye developers don't use gay characters because it's fuking gay as simple as that; and the game would suck balls as well as not sell. I couldn't give a fuk about gay people as long as they don't try to hit on me, but i'm really getting sick of them trying to force there opinion on others, how about they get on with there fukin lives and stop bugging the normal people who don't really give a sh*t about what the gay community want or are up 2.

[snoop_dizzle]

i mean i joke around about gay stuff and everything else, but man you guys are like homophobic.

If they start their own studio, you don't have to worry. And just becasue their are gay character in a game doesn't mean you don't have a choice. You could probably choose between a straight character or gay character, unless it was designed to be gay.

Also the games you guys play chances are wont have homosexual characters in it.

Do i want to play a homosexual game? Not really, but i wont bash someone if they do.

[sovietsoldier]

its called disney and ea! how much gayer do you get?

[Rooted_Dust]

I don't think devs should be forced to add the option of a gay character. If they are morally against it, which they have the right to be, they should be able to do what they want. What would the option of a gay character add to most games anyway, seeing as few mainstream games actually have a sexual aspect, and what affect would that have on the rating system? Would any game with a homosexual aspect be instantly slapped with an "Adults Only" rating? Face it no Conservative parents want their children playing some thing that they could possibly be deem as "Homosexual propaganda". I think this needs to go the Army way of don't ask, don't tell.

[progx]

Make your own studio, it wont last long anyway. Just don't complain because there aren't any queers in the games I love like Gears of War.

[CompleteInanity]

Ha hah hah hah hah... wow. This is absolutely the most pathetic display of human insecurity I've seen in quite a while. Why even bring sexual orientation into question? It's completely absurd.

In about 90% of games sexual orientation doesn't even play a part...nor should it. That's why they're games. They're for entertainment. They're not designed so we can drag all our politics and personal agendas into it. But can anyone actually let something be enjoyable without trying to inject it full of their own doctrine? Of course not!

Homosexuals are intentionally segregating themselves by making this an issue.

I love what the one guy said, "Wah wah wah, my gay friends won't accept me as a gamer, and my gamer friends won't accept me as gay." Boo-hoo, cry me a freaking river. Maybe they won't accept him because he's a whiny little wank-stain, and not because he's either gay or a gamer? Of course that thought probably never crossed his mind.

[sovietsoldier]

oh you must be british! ya i guess you tarts over on the other side of the pond got room to talk!

[CompleteInanity]

Hmm, you can't assume just because someone uses Brit-slang that they're automatically British. I'm from the states actually.

[trane07]

This is hurting my Brain!!! NO comment!