The Conduit not off to a great start in Europe

The Conduit's performance in the market will almost surely be examined for the next few weeks. As has been reiterated time and time again, developers/publishers may be influenced based on how well the game sells.

[knox]

wow thats sad, all i can say is that i hope it does better next week

[Blaze929]

Not like it was it off to a great start in America. Dunno why anyone expected a difference.

[sinncross]

Thsi is not good news for Nintendo or High Voltage at all.

[knox]

or sega..........

[Polluted]

Mostly Sega, I'd say. High Voltage proved they can make a decent game so they'll all still have jobs regardless of the sales. Nintendo is selling a crap tonne of Wiis so I'm sure they aren't losing any sleep over a lack of hardcore game sales.

In the end it's Sega who loses profit because they keep thinking there's actually a hardcore contingent of Wii owners and funding good games that ultimately flop at retail. At least they gave a good effort. Best just go back to waggle fests, I suppose...

[SpoonyRedMage]

It depends how well it sells in the end. Sega said Madworld did under their expectations but good enough and they said HOTD was profitable and will fund further mature/hardcore developments. Sega does seem to be making a profit on these games despite the low sales and they seem quite content.

[N4g_null]

It would be better if we knew what 29th in this chart was. Any way this is a slow burner we all know this. As soon as the reviews from every one roll in it will get another boost.

[intruder_qc]

Indeed its sad, but not unexpected. If we look at previous mature new IP game from third party they have done terribly on the Wii. MadWorld and No More Heroes comes to mind.

Each time peoples have great hope for those new promising title, but it seems the consummer market arent interested.

[ChickeyCantor]

if NMH did terrible then i don't understand why they had a party and are developing a sequel.

As for Madworld, can't speak of that.

[knox]

what party? oh and nmh did good in the us but i think badly in japan

[asdr3wsfas]

No More Heroes is one of a handful of Suda's games ever to have the commercial success required for a sequel.

[SpoonyRedMage]

I didn't even know it was out yet! I'll have to pick it up!

[mastiffchild]

Well, it's odd but I hadn't preordered Spoons and the only place in my little town that sells games is BB. When I went to pick one up they had none at all! I couldn't even find out whether it was sold out, they didn't get any copies or what had gone on-there wasn't even a rental so God knows.

IDK if it's like this anywhere else but I haven't seen one ad for the game in the UK-no TV and not in any game mags I've seen(not many admittedly this month)-so one might be forgiven into feeling Sega and HVS just aren't pushing this for whatever reason. Poor US sales? Budget for Wii promotion gone post Madworld(which was pushed heavily IIRC)and lack of recoup from it's poor sales?

Whatever, could just be my BB and I missed the ads but I've not had this happen before and the sales seem low even for a third party game when it's this , up to now anyway, high profile.

[SpoonyRedMage]

I've only seen ads on the net and they've been about the US release. Not heard a peep about it here in the UK.

[N4g_null]

Spoony I think that was the real problem. It's a classic sega move... pooof it's out WTF really YES! So you have to blame sega of the EU I guess if they even still have one.

[YoungJuvi]

Whats new here, Conduit is an average game serve them right.

The game is not big as people was hyping it to be look at the score for these so call HARDCORE Wii title then Wii talk.

[knox]

i dont think the conduit is the best wii game at all but that attitude doesnt help, at least hvs tried and was trying to make a good wii game. the conduit still has some good online and theyre making the grinder, gladiator a.d. and theres secret projects we dont know about. so at least they have a good mindset and care about hardcore wii gamers.

[phalanx_mark]

technologically,graphically and for controls it shines, high voltage made a great engine but the game looks awful design wise, story, art, level, character design... i have only read the eurogamer review so i am basing my opinions off that!

[somekindofmike]

@ KNOX

"i dont think the conduit is the best wii game at all but that attitude doesnt help"

that is a ridiculous statement! we are the consumers, it's up to the developer to make a game which we want to buy, and then it's up to the publisher to advertise the hell out of the game so we know about it!

we don't have to buy a product just because the developers tried there best! they are not a charity! if they don't produce the goods, they don't get the money.

my comments are in no way based on the quality of the game because I haven't tried it yet, but from what I've heard & read it's better than average, but not amazing, I might pick it up once it drops in price a bit, mainly because I don't buy any game at full price as i'm cheap!

[N4g_null]

The game is fine... the realistic parts look like a realistic game and the alien parts look that way also. I'm not going to give them the art award but it all works so in an essence it is GOOD design.

This game really points back to a time where the actually game play elements mattered. They did not have any help from over the top graphics... This game shines if you actually play it.

I'm sure some of the graphics are going to surprise to you also.

Seriously it won't be the commentators that decide the faith of this game it will be gamers. So say what you will people still love this game.

[EvilTwin]

Scissor -- Some of the reviewers probably only played the first few levels of Conduit then rated it. But those who invest time in the game aren't going to be disappointed, and they ARE playing. 2 a.m. on Sunday (well, Monday morning) last night, I was still finding full matches online. That says something about the quality of the online gameplay.

[asdr3wsfas]

Guys if you say a game has a bad feature, it'd be great if you'd played it first. I've been playing FPS games since Doom and went through Quake 1-3, various UT games, and the Conduit is fun as hell. Resident Evil has a story many many times more generic (EVIL BIOTECH COROPORATION RESEARCH OH NO) and people rate it amazingly well. And yes, I like RE.

You miss the biggest parts of the plot of the Conduit if you don't look for hidden messages and listen to the radio. This takes hours and hours. The plot is not accessible in a review strapped for time based on the method they chose to present it - HVS stated repeatedly that they would present it in this way, and the reviewers still didn't listen.

[NegativeCreep427]

I love how the commercials for The Conduit praise the game as "The best first person shooter (on the Wii).

Anyone who can't read fast enough to read the entire quote in the commercial would realize they are only comparing the game to Wii-specific FPS's, which that in itself isn't exactly setting the bar very high.

[DevilsJoker]

I have A wii, and i'm a hardcore gamer. But if i had to pick up Wii sports resort or Conduit... i'd pick Wii Sports, i play my FPS's on my other consoles, and they excell at that, the wii? Thats my party console.

So if the hardcore owners arent that interested, and the casuals certainly arent... well then no wonder this title and others are being missed.

[N4g_null]

So you are not that hardcore then... thanks for playing. At least go and rent this game to realize how hardcore you are not when you log on and get your tail handed to you. You sound more like a FPS graphic whore than a hardcore gamer and on the Wii no one will hear you scream LOL. I'm willing to bet the competition is a lot better on the Wii just because of the controls and the pool of hardcore gamers playing this game.

The deevolution of gaming is almost complete once all gamers think like the above.

What you don't understand is if you give the Wii the market leader to the casuals then it will continue to keep winning because they are not holding a grudge against companies. The lack of your support and other like you will mostly effect new comers with new ideas.

This is a great game for hardcore gamers and if you don't like hardcore games then I understand yet if you truly like gaming then the Wii really is our last hope. Yes you will get HD graphics on the other consoles and maybe even some motion controls yet you will only see the big publishers survive on the HD console why guys like you ignore the new comers that can only really afford Wii development.

It's stuff like this, grudges, that will cause the game industry to collapse because only stuff like MW2 is wanted on the market.

Gamers are not seeing that they are sort of hurting their own hobby by doing this. I'm sure HVS is fine with the sales as I don't think any of them bough new exotic cars when this came out. Well I hope they did not LOL. I look at it this way though. Epic failed many times over the year and even failed with UT3 and they still made GOW which sold like crazy.

It really is time for developers to start to create more traditional hardcore gamers rather than graphic whores movie like games. This is becoming the main key now. Gaming did not get to where it is at by copying movies. We got here one game at a time.

HVS really deserves your purchase because they pretty much made this game with their own money. Just think what they can do if they actually got real funding?

[greyfox235]

told you ,bargain bin soon enough

[TheMART]

Surprised?

NOT!!!

only shiatware like Wiifit sells really great to nongamers. Don't try to make hardcore games on the Wii, it doesn't have the audience for it to buy them!

EDIT

@ the Wiifan below

Dude, 1 mln. on COD WAW is nothing, if you see the installed base of the Wii is over 50 mln. users, compared to for example the millions of sales on the 360 with just now 30 mln. installed base.

Besides that, a game hits about covering the costs at 1 to 1.5 mln. copies sold. So sorry, its a failure either way. COD WAW isn't even a hardcore game. Call of Duty is such a game even my grandma would buy. Just because of the name. Proves NOTHING.

Remember Madworld? One of the best hardcore games on the Wii. First month sales... 66k. The Conduit now, failing again.

The WIi is for lazy mums, fat sisters, 5 year olds, granny's and morons that buy Wiifit.

[vox]

i guess retro shouldn't have bothered with MP3 since they only sold over a mil copies.. sucks there wasn't an audience to buy it
same for porting cod:waw.. how stupid was it for them to port the game and only sell over a mil copies, what a waste of time

[SinnedNogara]

"Dude, 1 mln. on COD WAW is nothing, if you see the installed base of the Wii is over 50 mln. users, compared to for example the millions of sales on the 360 with just now 30 mln. installed base."

God of War II sold 2 million on a console that sold 132 million. Is that a flop?? I'll let you answer that.

[TheMART]

Yes indeed Mr. Nintendo, I also said that about God of War II sales on the PS2. Thats pretty much a sales flop indeed. BUT then again, God of War II on the PS2 with that hardware IN THAT SPECIFIC TIMEFRAME is a great game with a great score.

The Conduit now, on the supercharged gamecube, comparable with last gen hardware Wii gets rated a lot lower. Thus, scorewise its a bit of a failure for the premiere Wii FPS and saleswise its also.

Compare COD WAW sales on the Wii, with the sales on the 360 or even the PS3. Lower installed base, higher sales. The things that sell really well on the Wii, as said more often is Wiifit, mindless minigames piles of them and the known franchises like Mario/Zelda.

3rd party is having no succes on the Wii overall, they should leave the platform totally and get their money to focus on where they really sell games on, 360/PS3. Like Infinity Ward leaves the Wii alone for Modern Warfare II. Thank god.

[Henry Cain]

Its like I said, if the game title does not start with Wii, Mario , or Zelda they will not sale well. Every hardcore game that has come out on the Wii has sold horribly.

[vox]

doesn't really explain
re4 (game that was already on 3 other platforms), re:uc
cod:waw
red steel
guitar hero/rockband

as for games w/o mario, zelda or wii... sonic, smash, wario, metroid

[asdr3wsfas]

No More Heroes is one of Suda's only games to get a sequel from commercial success. It is a Wii exclusive.

I guess all those other console owners weren't hardcore enough to support him?

[rukia_chan]

72 k???

"great sales" :P

[SinnedNogara]

Great sales for the first week on the Wii.

[TheMART]

With an installed base of 50 to 60 million consoles thats PATHETIC!

[swiftshot93]

too bad for sega they published a flop. Cant say I didnt see this coming though, its a good (or so they say) hardcore wii game without mario on the box art after all....

[ChickeyCantor]

Not calling it a flop yet, but if it is, its not sega's first.

[Goomba12]

I love how they use Chart Tracks which only track UK sales for ALL of Europe! haha
I guess i messed the memo where the UK means Europe.

[KingKionic]

“The near-term opportunity is the consumer who owns a PS3 or an Xbox 360 and has been bad-mouthing Wii to their friends. We can reach that consumer with games like The Conduit or Tiger Woods with Wii Motion Plus,” Fils-Aime says. “We think we win over the Halo audience with something like The Conduit, a multi-player, online, shooting experience, or Dead Space Extraction. And you know what? Once those people buy into Wii, they'll go buy Mario Kart or Wii Fit Plus.”

- Reggie President of Nintendo.
http://news.softpedia.com/n...

He was spot on...

rofl...

[EvilTwin]

How well do FPS games usually sell in the U.K.?

Games on Nintendo hardware that don't start with Mario or Zelda CAN sell well, they just usually do it slower.

NMH was a flop...until it sold well enough to get a sequel.
HOtD:Overkill did well enough to be profitable.
The Wii RE4 edition sold over a million copies.
Same for COD:W@W.
On the DS, GTA:CW was a flop until Rockstar said they were happy with the sales to shut people up (probably about half a million now).

MadWorld didn't sell too well, but then again, neither did Okami. Maybe those ex-Clover folks have an unfortunate curse.

It's the middle of summer, which is usually slow. If Conduit cracks half a million after the holidays, Sega and HVS will have turned a profit. If not, there's always Gladiator A.D. and Grinder.

[PirateThom]

FPS games usually sell pretty well in the UK. The good ones/ones with big advertising campaigns often debut in the top 10, if not the top 3 and usually number 1.

[N4g_null]

True tom and I'm sure most people in the EU did not even know it was out. Big advertising campaigns is very important so is word of mouth. So if you buy it set up your controls and get good at it first LOL then invite some friends over and let them play online. It is very different from your normal FPS in a good way and reminds you of PC FPSs.

This game will be fine and I'm glad people made new accounts just to put this game down. I think there is a mix of traditional cute game lovers and HD elitist harping and wanting this game to do bad.

The haters have to learn how to ignore what they don't like better. You don't see me screaming about uncharted 2 to any one because even bad news will sell a boring game. I hope it sells well though since lots of people like it and I think the team deserves the praise.

I think if you truly believe that the conduit sucks go and tell a Wii owner that it is out. Let them rent it or buy it then see what they say. If they some how do not try MP then they will look down on the game maybe, yet if they do get to play the online part then they will love this game even with friend codes.

[wiizy]

its not off to the start i want to see from it..but its doing ok...its on the wii where word of mouth need to sell it and where the hardcore have to warm up to it....besides you have alot of fake reviews that never played the game bashing it , hoping to spring up sales for xbox and ps3 which is not working