The PS3 is doing better than you think

Europe-nintendo writes ""It's in third place." "Sony messed up." "Sony is doomed!" Unless you're new to the internet (in that case, welcome!), you've probably heard all of the anti-Sony comments before. Ever since its launch in 2006, the PS3 has been often called a failure by certain websites and people (and of course, fanboys). Even in 2009, with Sony's outstanding game lineup, people are still criticizing the console and its games. The point is, people still love to hate the PS3. But is any of it true? After doing some research, I've come to the conclusion that no, it's not even close. In fact, despite currently being outsold by the Wii and Xbox 360, Sony's latest console has been doing a very good job."

[kalebgray92]

i hate all the ps3 posts about is ps3 dying, blu ray dying, thats just stupid.... its doing good and getting better

[Gamertags]

but that doesn't mean that the system is dead! Sure it lacks some features and it costs more, and the third party games aren't as good and software developers actually sell less on the system but ultimately, the PS3 is selling. It is selling well.

Sure, tnot as good as the opposing systems but it is selling. If you think the PS3 is going somewhere you clearly know nothing about the gaming industry and Sony.

Give it time and you will see, Sony is here to stay and so is the PS3. It may not top MS but it will continue to do fairly!

[kalebgray92]

if you read the article you would know that the ps3 is selling better that the 360 at the 3 year mark.... and the games are way better ... the only 360 exclusive that i am actually going to buy is mass effect 2... thats it....

ps3 has way better exclusives and when it comes down to it that is what matters... imagine if there were no exclusives the 360 would be useless because it doesnt have blu ray... and 3rd party games really aren't that different on the 2 consoles

maybe when the 360 was out a year early and the developers had experience with it .. btw its not that differnt from a pc game.. and the ps3 was brand new and difficult to develop for because it was actually an advance in tech but now the only difference is one is a little darker and one is a little lighter

[ultimolu]

Place is NOTHING but a number. People who criticize Sony dwell on numbers instead of opening their f*cking eyes and seeing that the console has come a long way since 2006.

"Bluray was a mistake!" - Look what's happening. Bluray is becoming more and more relevant each day.

"It has no games!" - Too many games coming out this year.

"Too hard to develop for!" -Developers taking advantage of the console each day and are learning new things.

"It's too expensive!" - And yet Sony's working their asses off to bring the production costs down. People should be GLAD they didn't have to spend $600.00+ back in 2006/2007.

But you know, all haters will keep seeing is 3rd place. That's what they always do.

And Gamertags, keep living in that dreamworld you call Microsoft land. You're a perfect example of what I was just mentioning.

EDIT: Hey sak500...I find it funny that you avoided my bluray comment. Also, stop addressing me as juuken. It's ultimolu thank you very much.

Yes, I said place is nothing but a number. But you bring up sales like 360 fanboys usually do when they're getting desperate.

Games are coming out this year and next year. Who knows, we may even hear about games coming out in 2011/2012. Do I care to elaborate? Do you want me to go there?

And just because I said they're working to bring the production costs down doesn't mean I work for Sony. They have been working to drop the production costs down. Do you want me to pull up a report showing that?

[sak500]

@juuken

"Place is NOTHING but a number." Yes and along with it sales as well right?

"Too many games coming out this year." You're talking about 2009 or 2010 care to elaborate?

"It's too expensive!" - And yet Sony's working their asses off to bring the production costs down. " Wow we finally got to konw you're working for sony. thanks for the headsup.

[Blaze929]

the real question is, who cares? WHO REALLY CARES? Seriously. None of us work for sony nor are making any money from Sony nor are financially associated with Sony (besides buying their products) so why does any of this matter to consumers? Bragging rights? lol

[JonnyBigBoss]

Agreed. The PS3 is doing great, but is just not doing as well as the other 2 did (so far!).

[gamesR4fun]

Sony's not gonna drop much if any on the ps3 slims price. One they dont have too ps3's are selling just fine. Second they need it to be more expensive than a stand alone br player. Even if Sony wasn't making stand alone br players they need more companies making them and driving up br adoption.

[MaximusPrime]

ultimolu u explained it well.
I was one of the first ps3 owner. I was there at midnight launch. At that time i knew what sony was like and how they handle their business.

It has been a long time coming but sony has been dong a good job.

[Blogz4Fanboys]

dont forget to collect your "i love sony/sony rules" badge on the way out. seriously, watching people writing essays in defense of a company that doesn't care anything about them or anyone else is truely disturbing...

anyway.

the ps3 is a great machine, same as the 360. both have great games and exclusives, and if you're not a fanboy, and have a job and can afford both. then no true gamer should miss out on either.

these articles are a waste of time...just like the usual blogs wrote by the sony fanboys about microsoft(although, those blogs are praised and called articles, and usually reach 1000degrees of pure 360 bashing by the sony loyalists. hypocrites). the ps3 is doing good. compared to it's older brothers it isn't,, but that doesn't mean it's doomed....just that the days of sonys almost monopoly of the gaming market has been broken. which i think is a good thing. without microsoft, the psn would be a joke. competition is a good thing.

[Unicron]

Blogz with a solid post, Sak still butthurt that someone doesn't like the same toy he does.

Gotta love this site. Never changes.

[Headshot81]

Yeah, i was looking at Sony's numbers and it's interesting how good they're doing with the ps3.Sony has a plan,and like always, it will succeed. They have to tweak their plan according to the economy, since Im sure they didn't plan for it(the economy) to be as bad as it is now. Since poeple dont have money they're steadily adjusting their product-line with complementry materials to gain some profit. The change is not happening overnight,they have to adjust things here and there, but they're sure gaining momentum and it shows that they have some smart guys up there. im not a fanboy(f@ck that), i just had good luck with SONY products, and i like what i get for my dollar.Im darn sure that alot of the "XBOTS" aren't fanbboys either, they would like s ps3 as much as the next guy, but the economy is tuff tight now, sometimes your wallet dictates what you will get,nothing wrong with that.Thats the reason why i end up selling alot 360's to parents at work($199? or $399? for a kids entertainment in this economy),and honestly alot of the people who've i sold ps3's to have been mostly 18yrs+more or the ocassional gamer dad. The age demographic plays a huge role from what ihave and continue to see. Ask yourself this:Is there more adult or kid gamers?Who buys this stuff?,it seems that mostly the older gamers are the one's that are able to get a ps3, If they choose to(i saved and got a ps3). As soon as the price drops, the ps3 will become a clearer option for parents to choose,but right now price is what makes their choice. Just my thoughts.what a read!!!

[SuperM]

lol @ 360 fanboys trying to cover up the fact that 360 depsite doing alot better then the original xbox is selling at a slower pace then both the Wii and the PS3.

They bash the PS3 for its sales and then praise the 360 for the same thing even though PS3 has been selling better since it launched. Its hypocrisy at its finest.

Also bringing up PS1 and PS2 sales are totally irrelevant. These consoles launched at half the price of the PS3 and not in the middle of a global economic crisis. And just because someone isnt totally dominating the industry doesnt mean they cannot be successful. The only thing that matters in the end is to stay profitable, MS are finally starting to see some profit from the 360 and Sony is about to do the same with the PS3.

[ultimolu]

Call it whatever you want to call it but I am sick of the bashing in regards to the PS3. This crap has been going on for two/three years already and it's about time it stopped.

Yeah, nobody can say anything in defense of the PS3 without being called out like you're calling me out right now.

I wasn't defending Sony to the point I have some kind of *love* for them. I said what needed to be said. You don't like it, that's not my problem. I know Sony doesn't care about me individually.

The same could be said about Microsoft, Nintendo or any other company.

[Blogz4Fanboys]

i wasn't trying to call you out...so dont get your thong in a twist ;-)

in honesty, i'm sick of this nerd war! blogs getting wrote especially for this site, blogs attacking microsoft/sony..all wrote just for hits. the new battleground that is forza vs gran tourismo. the absolutely useless turd moderators that dont do anything. it says on the contributor test that blogs and forums posts are not news, yet the worst flame inducing rubbish left thrive.

in the last three months, the only help this sh!t site has given me in respect of buying games is this..i knew nothing of sacred2 until i stumbled into a thread. i bought that for my 360 on launch. and yesterday, i found out about demons soul for the ps3....another day one!

other than that, it's just sh!t flame war blog after flame war blog

[thereapersson]

"Sure it lacks some features..."

You as a 360 fanboy have no room to talk about a console "lacking features". Get the f*** outta here with that nonsense.

[Sarcasm]

Honestly, people can bash the PS3 all they want.

It's the whole "look in the other direction" act that goes on for anything Microsoft.

Overpriced HDD? Looks other way.
$100 wifi? Looks other way.
Shoddy Hardware? Looks other way.
Worst PR in history? Looks other way.
Aaron Greenberg? Looks other way.
Subscriptions & overpriced accessories? Looks other way.
Natal announced? Media goes apesh*t acting like it's the 3rd coming of Jesus. (The second coming is the 360 according to 360 fans)

The more people "Looks other way," the more Microsoft finds ways to screw the consumers while having an army of fanboys at it's disposal ready to take it in the rear and defend it til death.

[Blogz4Fanboys]

leave it out.

sony aint no angels ffs. all their pr bullsh!t and arrogance over the years...lets not forget them shoe-horning blu-ray into the ps3, slapping an absurd price tag on it, then expecting history to repeat itself.

aint no company in the business that are saintly...to try and claim otherwise speaks volumes.

[Traveler]

@ Sarcasm

So true.

[Yoma]

omg -uck so stupid

why the HELL would Sony sell PlayStation 3, keep the manufacturing, even though the LOSE MONEY ON EVERY SOLD??? -ucktards

thats like trading and selling for lower price than you bought item for

[Syronicus]

An article that uses "logic" instead of fanboy hate! It's nice to see somebody actually look at the facts and not the silly arguments. Thanks to the author.

[Tony999Montana]

Blogz; I think what sarcasm was trying to say is that microsoft can easily bashed similarly to Sony, not that Microsoft is in any way worse.

As for people who try to use sales as a recognition of how good a console is... PS3 is out selling 360 in Japan and 360 is outselling PS3 in USA. Same consoles in both countries, so how the sales argument is relevant is beyond my imagination. By your logic the PS3 is better in Japan but worse in other regions? Also, please let me know how exactly sales effects the console(s) which have already been purchased by someone. Or price drops. Why would I care about price drops, I already have what I want.

Everyone here is constantly attempting to justify their consumer insecurities. In reality it is a great time to own a PS3 or a 360 (wii too, if you're into that). Competition helps fuel the great progression which we've seen.

[Rainstorm81]

Blogs just spoke on arrogance. I never hear anyone ever call MS arrogant though.?. funny because charging outrageous prices for accessories and a 50$ year price on P2P online gaming is a bit arrogant. "Shoe-horning blu-ray" was a necessary evil or PS3 games would be 4 discs and up as well. Or should sony have used outdated tech like nintendo did with the cartridge in N64 or MS did with DVD and looking at blu ray player prices at the time of PS3 launch (1000$) $600 was a steal.

People drag Sony through the mud yet accept the same if not more crap from other console devs. Aaron greenburg & Turn 10 has been extermely vocal in bashing the competition this gen, why do you need to if your "winning". Sony was/is trying to give GAMERS the next step in console evolution (future tech costs, remember $600 ipod), thats why confidence in your own product shouldnt be confused with Arrogance........& thats the word

@piratethom below

Soooo True........i couldn't agree more

[PirateThom]

I've already accepted that it doesn't matter what Sony do, no matter how many games they have, no matter how much they improve or deliver, they're never going to get a break.

Whatever though, they're already winners where it counts for a gaming company, the games.

[sak500]

@unicorn

There is a difference between xbox fans and ps3 fans. you dont see us praising MS for the dumb things it has done like overpriced peripherals. Initially we bashed it for LIVE service but since its tons better and cost's peanuts we come to love it. Also the RROd is also major put off for xbox and we acknowledge it. UNLIKe ps3 lovers who will bash the article of YLOD even if its from PS only site. They also will love the delays announced for games and love being in beta indefinately for home.

If you can fathom that than you can see why we have to jump in and do the needful ;)

[Anon1974]

Blogz4Fanboys commented "just like the usual blogs wrote by the sony fanboys about microsoft(although, those blogs are praised and called articles, and usually reach 1000degrees of pure 360 bashing by the sony loyalists"

Wow. Does that really happen? Because I can't find them. These Microsoft bashing blogs must be in the weeks top news, right?
Odd. I don't see one. I see plenty of PS3 bashing articles, some "Sony should STFU," articles, an article about how "Every PS3 owner needs a 360," and much much more...but oddly not one single article in the top news that's bashing Microsoft.

I guess you meant some other weeks, eh?

[ABizzel1]

I was going to write this huge post, but it was too long, so here.

All the consoles are doing good. Wii sold an average of 20.6 million console per year, PS3 sold an average of 9 million console per year, 360 sold an average of 9 million console per year. So call the PS3 a failure is calling the 360 a failure. Not to mention the PS3 had competition from 2 consoles since it's launch the 360 had a whole year head start to itself. Again all the systems are doing fine, so stop the hating.

[Blogz4Fanboys]

are you seriously going to sit there and say that there's never any blogs wrote attacking the 360?? seriously?

what about the frequent rubbish from thegameraccess, badassgamerblog, mikegotgame, gamer.blorge and all the other sh!t-owned-by-a-fanboy blog sites??

now i know your very much a champion of sony and loyal soldier(even going as far as writing a blog about microsofts losses...how very sad) but even you cant deny that n4g is a hotbed of flameware blogs with just a smidgen of real news.

the difference is, blogs that attck sony have the majority of the community frothing at the mouth and all up in arms. whilst blogs that attack the 360 or microsoft are defended and called articles..lol the hypocrisy on here is astounding.

hit the disagree button as much as you want kiddies, it doesn't change the facts. but the real gamers(like you try to call yourself darkride..lol rite) know the score.

[The Lazy One]

the PS3 doesn't even have that many sold yet, let alone in march.

and lol @ "THIS IS NOT A FORUM POST" if you don't want your blog to look like a forum post, post it in a blog, not on a forum.

[rockleex]

Plus 10 PSP bashing articles, plus 10 Bluray bashing articles, plus 10 articles on why the PS2 should be stopped from production, plus 10 articles on how Sony lied and how Sony PR needs to STFU.

[a_squirrel]

@Gamertags
'Everyone knows sony is behind'

Yeah right, they are supporting 3 consoles. Not 1, not 2, 3, and not failing with any of them, is an success.

Microsoft ONLY has ONE console, and what happened? RROD error, hacking, blah blah

Nintendo has 2 consoles which are both doing best (not saying they are 'the best'), that puts microsoft to shame.

Combined, Nintendo just pantsed microsoft and spread nasty rumors about sony, while sony pushed microsoft into a puddle of a shameful Vista, and RROD errors (in comparison with a schoolyard)

1: NINTENDO

2: SONY

3: MICROSOFT

[Anon1974]

And all the little private message tirades in the world aren't going to change that. Look at the articles that hit 1000. Not one 360 bashing article. Not a single one. Plenty of PS3 bashing in the top stories, but you've been proved wrong.

Take it like a man. Personally, I don't give a lick for your annoying console wars, I game on both the 360/PS3 and PC, but you certainly appear to fit the bill of the flip side of the fanboy coin. And if the shoe fits..

[Tarasque]

Ok for people that for some reason can not understand the PS3 is dying articles and the other blah blah stuff. For the past 2 genrations sony has had their way in the console business, so they are considered the champs so to speak. Well they are in last place this gen so they are going to get more flak. Just like anything else sports or whatever. If you idiot fanboys liked your console so much you wouldnt care what anyone says about your big black box. I mean all the articles wont never change my mind of what i think of any console nor the fanboy logic or crying and whining. I have them all and i have my thoughts of each one, no article will change that.

[tplarkin7]

Compared to the PS2, the PS3 is a disaster. Sony would have been better off passing on this generation.

[HolaTarola]

Compared to the PS2 the Xbox 360 is also a disaster, in fact compared to the PlayStation 2 EVERY console in history is a disaster, your comment is just plain stupid..

Like it or not, the SONY's PlayStation 2 is the BEST console in history.

[JHUX]

ehh..The hate here is pretty equal on both sides, with there probably being a few more than 360 fanboys, but 360fanboys got about 20 accounts each to make up for lack of numbers. I do notice quite a few more ps3 bashing articles though, and it's always been this way since the ps3 came out.

[edgeofblade]

Here is the low down.

PS3 is doing good.
360 is doing better.
Wii is doing the best.

Now, if you can't handle that fact, you are a juvenile little dipsh!t. If you can't be content to simply know that your chosen console is doing some degree of "good", then you have issues.

Can't we just put things in a positive light be be done with it?

[aaron5829]

Sure...

All consoles are doing good...

But who wins ?

Me !

I got it all baby ! :D

[JL]

@gamertags
I do have to give you credit. That might be some of the most subtle fanboyism I've ever seen on this site (then again, that's not saying much). Kudos for that.

@kaleb
"imagine if there were no exclusives the 360 would be useless because it doesnt have blu ray..."
Umm that might have been one of the stupidest things I've read on here. It would be useless without exclusives for the most part (or rather, would end up becoming irrelevant. However, ps3 would be just as useless without exclusive games too. Blu-ray wouldn't save that. Especially since there are cheaper BR players on the market. And PS3 couldn't stand alone as a movie player anyways, just like 360 couldn't stand alone as a movie player with the, still very popular, DVDs.

@ultimo
I do agree with you. It is always about numbers (except the numbers that work against their plight) that fanboys resort to in order to bash the PS3 with. Which is sad really. That and those other go-to-comments that you retorted against very well I think. Another thing I want to add though is just a lil food for thought: Sony, as of last January (a year and a half since launch--we'll say), had dropped $200 off the production cost. Now a year and a half later, wonder what they've really cut off the production costs by now. I mean, I don't know what all goes into it or anything, but just saying, something to think about. It would seem almost unfeasible that they wouldn't have been able to shave off at least that last $50 in that same time frame that they shaved $200 off. And Ultimo, I understand people bash you for "defending" Sony and will admit you might get a bit "enthusiastic" about it at times. But after standing face-to-face with all the bashing over so many years now, I can understand where that comes from.

@sak
"You're talking about 2009 or 2010 care to elaborate?"
PS3 and Xbox360 have pretty much the same amount of exclusives coming out for 2009.
Also, difference between xbox and ps3 fans? xbox fans will continue to support shoddy design and make excuses for their favorite company. They'll let them skate on anything even when they're coming up with nothing new, just going around buying everyone else's ideas, not trying to add to the industry, but rather just suck up and control everything that's there and try to take it over as they're own. Also us ps3 fans wouldn't praise Sony for their great gaming lineup if they made us wait til only the last few months of the year to even play anything worth a d*mn. See how easy it was to spin that? By the way, Xbox fans always try to play off RROD. And when do you see ps3 fans praising Sony for dumb stuff? What dumb stuff did they do that they got praise for? And for the record, ps3 fans don't deny YLOD, what they respond to with enthusiasm is when xbox fanboys run in trying to blow things out of proportion and end up trying to make out like YLOD is even remotely close to the problem of RROD.

@Blaze
Agreed. The sales/business side of things shouldn't matter to us. However, I'd say we're all pretty avid gamers here and as such we take interest in "behind-the-scenes" type stuff like this. The problem is people take it way too far (ie those bragging rights you mentioned).

@jleack
"the other 2"?
Are you referring to the other two Playstations? Then I'd agree. But honestly, should that be something that people hold against the PS3? I mean you can't break records every time around. And this PS3 slower start thing probably also has alot to do with a very strong competitor in MS and Nintendo also returning to glory, so to speak.

@ferm
See above. Can't always set records. Just because they're not topping PS2 sales or something, doesn't mean they're doing bad by any means. One could do very very good and still not top the PS2.

@Maximus
I agree. I think most longtime Sony/PS fans/consumers know they Sony definitely knows how to handle themselves. And they, like they've mentioned MANY times, are very good long-term planners/thinkers. And they've proven that over many many years. Thus they've had our trust from the beginning even when things were rough and they're beginning to definitely show why they've earned that trust.

@Blogz
First, don't get onto people about "defending". Cause that "defending" is no worse than subtle bashing which I've seen you do. I mean you tend to be fairly level-headed most of the time from what I've seen but you definitely have a "loyalty" that shines through. Rather, a preference. I've seen you doing plenty of belittling "sony fanboys" but never chastising the other side..just saying. By the way, enough with the "true gamer" crap. I'm tired of seeing that. Though several times you do contribute at least valid points to things. Also, don't gripe about the flamebait stuff when you're right here in the thick of it. And don't blame it on mods either. It's people like you that are the reason these articles are here, I mean the mods are going to let what the people want to stay stay, and obviously stuff like this is what people want on some level, because this is what everybody pays the most attention to (i'm not excluding myself here by the way). But stuff like flamebait articles being here isn't to be blamed on the mods so much. Also has alot to do with people approving them, and then people not having the will to stay out of said articles once they're up, but instead going in and commenting and driving that hotness level up. Also, no Sony isn't innocent, but not many companies are as bad as MS, I mean just look at their history. Anybody that's been around for more than 10years, keeping an eye on this stuff, knows that MS is as underhanded as they come really. I'd also like to add: shoe-horning blu-ray? Arrogance? Absurd price tag? First let's address the price tag. How was it absurd? They were LOSING money on the console when it came out, so obviously it WASN'T absurd. I can't even begin to see how you'd think that. High? Yes. Absurd? Not at all. Not considering what it came with. As for the blu-ray: that's how all technology is pretty much advanced. Corporations push the technology. They find ways to get it into the market and try advancing it. You say that like it's a bad thing. Sony has long since been advancing technology, and shoe-horning, or whatever you want to call it, it's good for the industry. And last...arrogance. C0cky? sure. Confident with reason? yes. But why shouldn't they be? I mean that's what happens when you sit at the top so long, you become confident. Going around claiming you're amazing, cause guess what? They ARE amazing obviously. I mean sure maybe they came in to this generation a bit too arrogant and thought they were going to just jump ahead no problem. But once they saw that wasn't the case, they quickly realized "oh we messed up, let's readjust this strategy here" and they did readjust. I don't see you bashing MS for all their arrogance and chest-beating spin nowadays.

@Headshot
Agreed. Sony always has long term plans and they're very good at that. That's been proved many many years now and it's why Sony has gained the trust of so many people. That being said, you're also right about the 360 being more of the "figurehead" (for lack of better word) for the HD generation. It helped itself out by getting in first and getting that price down quick with not-so-advanced tech that could drop the price quick. Thus enabling them to quickly get in as the console choice for parents just looking to spend as little money as possible to buy a "toy" for their kids.

@SuperM
Well I think the fact that 360 is selling ALOT better than the original xbox is a HUGE win for MS. I mean they've already outsold they're last console. And they've jumped from a pity case of sorts last gen to a definite contender this year. So they've definitely done huge things as far as penetrating the market. I think it just gets taken way too far at times. It's like the kid who gets beat up all the time (with last xbox as far as popularity/sales/etc), then one day he gets in a fight, he gets in one good lucky pop that takes the guy down(360 penetrating the market effectively), then after that you'll never hear the end of it from that kid as he runs around telling the story, talking/acting like he's the biggest kid on the block, talking crap about everyone. Then of course you get the other kid on the block (the sony loyalist who knows in the grand scheme of things who the big dog really is and who the "new kid on the block" is) who finally gets tired of the new kid going around bashing everything and everyone just because that made good one time around, thus these kids end up tired of getting picked on and end up fighting and yelling back. That's pretty much the metaphor for the state of our console war at this point. Also I agree, ps1 and ps2 have nothing to do with this, in reality, and people should stop making those comparisons really or expecting the ps3 to live up to the legend of the ps2 and thinking it's a failure if it doesn't. As long as the two companies make money and have a following (which both definitely do--fanbase that is) then I think they're fine with it. As far as making money, not sure how much that price cut and warranty extensions have put MS back so don't know where they are in terms of profit. However, I'd almost be surprised if Sony actually isn't at the very very least breaking even on the PS3. With all their talk of "we're focusing more on making profit" speeches lately in retort to price drop rumors, and considering they were already close to $400 production cost over a year ago, I'd almost think they're making money off the ps3 right now and they're just trying to hold off the price cut as long as they can to make some of that money back before going back to a non-profitable state on the system when they do price cut.

@Sarcasm
I'll agree for the most part. I don't deny it and I never try to hide the fact that I hate MS as a company. From far too ruthless and underhanded schemes to shoddy work and products. I do NOT think they should be thriving as they do, yet they continue to skate by. However, I WILL have to disagree with you on one thing. MS's PR? Second to none really. I mean how do you think they get away with all this stuff. Even you said it yourself: all the "look the other way" stuff. I mean if ever there was a model to go by for PR, MS sets that standard by miles on end. I would never take that from them. They really can't be touched in that department.

@Yoma
What? English please. Let's get some coherent sentences in there. Are you bashing Sony for losing money on each console sold? If you are, are you new to this? Oh you must be one of those lil kids that just joined the gaming community this generation or something. I'm sorry to inform you though, selling consoles at a loss is the standard in this industry (at least for the first part of a console's lifetime) and has been going on for forever now. Go away. Learn something. Start with English and grammar.

@Syronicus
Unfortunately I have to disagree with you. Not because I disagree with what this "article" says, because I actually do. However, this is nothing that hasn't been said a million times already (even though media and fanboys and all that still continue to ignore it). And to be quite honest, I'd have to say this "author" had no intention really of setting the record straight, it was just more fuel for the fire and a means to get attention.

@Tony
Pretty logical contribution there. And I'd say I agree with all that. Especially the whole thing about why does a price drop matter. I have no idea why it concerns most people here. Doesn't effect me, I already have my PS3. It only effects those that want one. And I know someone will give the argument "well more customers equals more support" yes, that's true. But only to an extent. It's like the concept of saturation point. And quite honestly I'd say we're there (or at least very close). Both consoles have sold well to this point and it's not like one or the other is suddenly going to stop selling period. So I don't think sales at this point matter, they're both going to get support. Plain and simple. Neither have sold so few that that support is in question.

@Raiin
Very true. See my above comment for my view on that. Alot bash Sony for arrogance but will let MS slide now. Call it down the line people.

@Pirate
Agreed. The top dog will always be the target of lashing out. And it seems obvious to me that Sony and the PS brand still have the stigma as the leaders in the industry (maybe not this generation of consoles right now, but in the industry as a whole) so at least that hasn't been taken away. And that's just proven in all the bashing they get, plus everybody wanting to beat them all the time and everything pretty much being directed towards them. I mean it's quite obvious Sony has set the bar and the standard for greatness in the gaming industry. As of right now I think people are tired of seeing them sit on top (or people just like instigating stuff) so they see MS has a chance against them this year and they spur that flame on. Sony's answer so far has seemed to be "keep pumping out quality. eventually they'll come around" and it seems very very slowly that that might be working.

@Darkride
I don't think you can honestly sit there and say Microsoft bashing articles NEVER happen. Cause that would just be ignorant. I'm sure I've seen them. But I will agree that they don't get here NEARLY as much as Sony bashing articles. Probably something like 100:1 ratio or something outrageous like that. But they do exist.

@Abizzle
Right. All consoles are doing well, but everybody always wants to find every lil thing that they can use to brag about and bash the "other side" for. Getting ridiculous what things they use as ammunition too. From sales (which are actually the same if not a bit better on a year to year basis for ps3) to silly things like graphic "blemishes" that would otherwise go unnoticed unless specifically looking for with fine-toothed comb and magnifying glass.

@The Lazy One
Ah, always the valuable contributor lol He's wrong? Show me then, cause everything I've ever read has said that exact thing: 22.something million consoles sold as of the end of the 2008 fiscal year.

@Squirrel
I think there are actually far too many variables and things to look at that you could actually put the three console makers into an order as simply as that.

@Tarasque
Nothing anybody says on here IS going to make me not like my PS3. That's not the point though. Nobody said that was happening. This is just debate, both sides of the argument are going to be presented. That being said, don't try to justify PS3 is dying articles. Sure Sony hasn't sold as well yet as last gen, but big deal? No console has EVER been as successful as the PS2. No big deal. Yes MS has gained ground since last gen and Sony is off to a slower start than last gen. But this is this gen. and to say one or the other is dying is absolutely ludicrous. Plain and simple. Sony are the champs. And still are apparently, at least as far as stigma and reputation go. You can't fault them because they don't break records everytime they come out. That would be like (we'll use your sport analogy), saying that if Chipper Jones doesn't meet or exceed his .364 record-setting average this year that he hit last year then he sucks or something. That if he hits only, say.....350, then he's falling off or something. Just ignorant.

@TP
I don't think I need to say anymore. Hola said it perfectly. EVERY console in comparison to the PS2 is a disaster. PS2 is just the best console in history. You can't make that comparison.

@Jhux
Yea, I'd say the fanboys is pretty much equal on here. Wouldn't say hate on here if I'm including media hate though. Cause it's clear the media has a hard-on for getting at Sony this generation.

@Edgeofblade
No. You have it wrong. The correct answer is this:
PS3 and 360 are both doing real good.
Wii is just doing ungodly good and nobody can begin to deny them.
Leave it at that.

[iPirates]

Wow, that was quite the lengthy reply, well done lol.

Agreed on most points.

[JL]

Thanks Pirate. You should actually get a reward or something for reading all that lol. When I get going, I guess I go off really. Apparently somebody didn't like it though, I'm pretty sure I lost a bubble for it (oh no!!!) lol. Actually didn't realize how long it was til I just now looked back over that. Damn, not even I would read all of that most of the time. lol

[Stryfeno2]

It is...It's holding 3rd place down. No one will come and take it from Sony. Good Job Ps3.

[TheDeadMetalhead]

360 at 2 1/2 years: 19 million
PS3 at 2 1/2 years: 23 million

You were saying?

[Stryfeno2]

That is some damn good numbers but tell me which console is in second place as of today? I dare you...lol.

EDIT: The reason the Ps3 sold faster than the 360 is because of brand loyalty...Like I said if you want to play numbers, when all said is done the Ps3 is still in 3rd place. Fact is fact.

I've been hearing about the PS3 will catch up since launched...Headstart? Why don't you complain to Sony about the 360s headstart.

[Tinted Eyes]

360 has more total sales but as metalhead just said it sells at a faster rate and finish with almost the same sales numbers yearly

acting like you care about sales is sad because im sure when you look at the xbox magazine and see it has no games you say "oh well at least it sold more than the ps3"

gamers play games and the 360 aint got it

[TheDeadMetalhead]

The only reason that the 360 is ahead is because it had a one year headstart (fanboys always seem to conveniently forget that). Too bad it won't help when the PS3 catches up.

[sak500]

@deadmetal dont know the figs u mentioned came out of urs or sony's @ss but....

360 at 2 1/2 years: 19 million (WITH 20million xbox following)
PS3 at 2 1/2 years: 23 million (WITH 120million PS1/2 following)

You were saying?

[TheDeadMetalhead]

So because you have no argument, you're resorting to something completely unrelated? Well done. =/

[ultimolu]

AND YET IT'S DELIVERING AAA TITLES 24/7.

Place ain't nothing but a number.

And DeadMetal is right. If the PS3 should have a pricecut now, it'll wipe the floor with the 360, considering that it's selling faster than the 360 was selling at the same timeframe.

Try spinning that.

[saimcheeda]

the xbots dont have a comeback so they say some nonsense!!i still cant beleive after all this time they cant realise that xbox 360 is ahead because of the 1 year headstart!!...sak500's comment made me laugh!!

[The Killer]

PS3 is dead -> the best games in the world is coming on it.

PS3 is finished -> just outsold the 360 in some months.

PS3 is expansive -> actually u would need 500$ and more for the 360 to have the features that ps3 have and the XBOX Live keeps it going only up.

PS3 have no games -> they have every year much more exclusives and superior games that the 360 cant handle or dream to have.

PS3 have bad multiplatform games -> for the past year most game or equal and in some cases better on ps3 and other cases better on 360.

PS3 is doomed with blue ray -> actually blue ray is the next DVD and is helping with ps3 sales and to provide superior gaming experience.

PS3 is just bad -> actually it is more reliable and safer for the human life and environment and makes less noise than 360.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

You can't have a Positive PS3/SONY Article on n4g.com or on the internet!!! ;-D

360 at 2 1/2 years: 19 million ;-D ;-D ;-D (is that all???)
PS3 at 2 1/2 years: 23 million ;-P ;-P ;-P (that is AMAZING for it's still High Price)

[OmarJA]

LMAO! poor bots, the only thing keeps the 360 selling is the price & RROD nothing else & it's can't even beat the Wii on it's homeland...

Cry me a river bots.

[AngryTypingGuy]

It was brand loyalty that caused many people to initially get PS3. But didn't the 360 outsell the PS3 these past two years?

Price does play a part in the console wars, and the PS3 will close the gap when it becomes more affordable, but it will still most likely stay in third place. Even if it passes the 360, it won't be by much, and the PS3 will never be the juggernaut that the PS2 was.

MS should be proud for all it has accomplished in two generations, and beating Sony (or at least staying ahead for this long) in only its second attempt.

[talltony]

"The reason the Ps3 sold faster than the 360 is because of brand loyalty"
It sold more with competition at 600 dollars, which is how much more than a 360??

[Erotic Sheep]

Aaah Sak, now I remember why I had you on ignore. You have the logic of an arse.

[RockmanII7]

#1.09 said "You would need 500$ and more for the 360 to have the features that ps3 have and the XBOX Live keeps it going only up". But #1.10 said "PS3 at 2 1/2 years: 23 million (that is AMAZING for it's still High Price). So which one is more expensive???

[Traveler]

Why is this so hard for some of you to understand? You guys see some kind of contradiction where there isn't any. The 360 is in fact the more expensive console when you factor in all of the hidden costs, but to many consumers all they see is the initial price tag. This has the effect of making the 360 appear to be the cheaper console, thus helping sell more units.

There is no contradiction. When people talk about the 360 being more expensive, they are talking about the overall costs of ownership. When they talk about the 360 being cheaper they are talking about the initial price tag that many consumers respond to. Unfortunately, many consumers are not well informed.

[infekt]

No need to argue with children, gentlemen. Most of the xboxs were bought by parents for their kids because it was the cheapest console and because the units kept RRODing. I bet a substantial amount of these xb360 "sales" are replacement units.

[KingKionic]

Very interesting...

Ill have to write this down.

*scribbles on paper*

[spec_ops_comm]

I believe we are witnessing one of the most complex business structures in video game console history. Something that could only be operated by a company as experienced as Sony.

Sony definitely knew they would lose $250 per console.. I bet they even predicted they would still be losing ~$50 today. But, in order to sell such impressive hardware at a competitive price, Sony has been selling the PS3 at huge losses while relying on the PS2's 10 year life cycle to recoup these losses.

It's amazing how intertwined the PS2 and PS3 business cycles are. With the PS3 slim and a price cut, Sony is starting to look real good 3 years in the future in terms of sales and profits. And it was all part of their plan from day one.

[40cal]

"As of March 31st, 2009, the PS3 had sold 22.91 million units worldwide, while the Xbox 360 sold 30.2 million units. That's a lead of approximately 7 million. But when the PS3 first launched, the 360 had sold 10 million units (since it had a one year headstart). That means that since the PS3 launch, the 360's lead has shrunk by 3 million units."

"Now let's look at the last-gen consoles. In their lifetimes, the Gamecube sold 21.74 million units, and the original Xbox 24 million. With the PS3 at 23 million, that means that it has sold the same amount as the Gamecube and Xbox in about half the time."

But still when the NPD numbers come in again the fanboys will act like they are the be all end all of the industry.

[PLAYINB3YOND]

well said sir, finally someone admits Sony are doing a good job. And your not even a PS3 site! Nice to know europe-nintendo aren't to arrogant as to dismiss PS3 but give it its merits. Wii still sucks though...

[Mr Remington]

Why does everybody keep referring to Sony as a plural?

There is only one Sony.

"Holy crap, look at all those Sony! Sony are everywhere!!!"

No, you twats. Sony is doing this, or Sony is doing that.

[Traveler]

Quit being so uptight. It depends on how you conceptualize it-- as a singular entity or as a group of people. It is quite common to use the plural when talking about a company. Do a google search and you will see that both ways are common.

[PLAYINB3YOND]

I refer to them as one becuase they are a whole, Sony are one company with many divisions.

[a_squirrel]

ARG! But are means more than one (more than one company)
Is means one, (as in one company)

You is probably someone who are always using is and are in the worng places

[The Lazy One]

they're using the royal plural.

[nobiggy]

here here

[SHAGGY62]

The PS3 is fine it's like the tortoise it'll beat the hare (3 fix me).
Back to killzone & Infamous

[Traveler]

Whether the PS3 or 360 end up selling more by the end of this generation doesn't mean much to me. I don't think it will have any real impact on my gaming experience whether the PS3 sells a few million more than the 360, or a few million less.

[KingKionic]

So is this 7 million lead in america or is it worldwide?

I dont wont to retort to vgchartz...

lol

[TheDeadMetalhead]

Worldwide, of course.

[Mr Remington]

title

[KingKionic]

Im surprised.

Didn't know ps3 was selling more consoles then xbox this year...

[ultimolu]

What part of this do you not get? He's saying that the PS3 is selling at a much faster rate than the 360 did during the same timeframe. Yes the 360 has the lead for now but that's what he's getting at.

[KingKionic]

oh....

Stupid of me. I couldn't comprehend .

I fully understand .

[SprSynJn]

It was a well written article that got straight to the point. Although I do not like to dwindle on sales of the console I own, it is nice to see Sony getting some love across the board. They more than deserve it.

Back to Killzone 2 and Fallout 3.

[ABizzel1]

Actually it's about a 9 million lead, and it is America, because the 360 has about 2 million lead over PS3 in Europe (1 1/2 year head start for 360), and the PS3 has over a 2 million lead in Japan (1 year head start for 360) together they cancel each other out. Leaving American where the difference is since the 360 has nearly a 9 million lead over the PS3 here (1 year head start).

To keep my lead if I were MS I would say screw Japan, and focus on Europe to get a greater lead on the PS3, while keeping America satisfied.

PS3 needs to cut the price to catch up in Europe, and a price cut and JRPG's to catch the Wii in Japan. A price cut will help in America as well, but it's going to take a long time to catch up with the 360. The 360 has to stop selling for that to happen. Even if the 360 starts selling half as many consoles then it'll take the PS3 2 1/2 years to catch up in America which would be the end of 2012. And by then I believe the next Xbox console will be rearing it's head getting ready for release.

It's interesting if the PS3 gets a price drop to $299 it's going to surpass the 360 by summer 2010 in Europe, it will smoke the 360 in Japan, and it'll pick up in America. So what will happen to the 360's lead? If they don't do anything then the PS3 will be tied with the 360 in worldwide sales come holiday season 2010. But is not going to stand by and let Sony take the game from them that easily. Maybe we'll see a $149 Arcade, $249 Pro, and $349 Elite next year from MS. But will that be enough? What about the Wii will it finally go down to $199 (should have been that price since launch and it should be $149 by now anyway)? I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[ps12&3lover]

ITS SAD BECAUSE FOR EVERY 1 ARTICLE LIKE THIS 3 PS3 IS DEAD ARTICLES WILL BE READ..BUT ITS GOOD TO SEE SOMEONE TALKING SOME TRUTH..I ALWAYS TELL MY 360 FANBOY FRIEND THAT NUMBERS DON'T MEAN ANYTHING..ITS ALL ABOUT QUALITY NOT HOW MUCH A GAME CAN SELL AND I THINK THE PS3 IS DOING GREAT IN BOTH

[ApocalypseShadow]

ps3 fans know that it's a slow,steady pace to 10 years.we know it will outsell xbox and gamecube easily.the haters just wish sony would lose at least one time.but we know most of the hate comes from america.

the haters tried their best since 2006 to pull ps3 down.but have watched as the highest priced system since 3DO and saturn,sell just as well as it's predecessors.ps1/ps2 each sold on average 10 million systems a year for 10 years.and sony is doing it at $399-$599.with competition.and i laugh at that.they said sony didn't have competition last time but neglect all the other products that comsumers could have bought over ps2.they just chose ps2.

the haters have either bitten the bullet and bought a ps3 and settled down or disappeared because they failed microsoft in their viral marketing like THE MART.

they hated on bluray.and watched it succeed.they hated on hdmi.and watched microsoft add it.they hated on larger hard drives.and watched microsoft add it.they hated on movies.and watched microsoft add it.
they hated on reliability after ridge racer at TGS.and then watched ps3 fall well below fail rates for electronics.they hated on CELL.but watched it do cancer reasearch,black hole research,crack codes,improve dvd in upscaling,so on and so on.

they watched as ps3 gamers having to not pay one dime to play online.
they watched as online in one game has gone from 32-40-60 and soon 256 players in one game.they watched as ps3 gamers got a 3D community for free.they watched as ps3 in house games surpassed 360 games in animation,lighting,textures,qu ality.they watched ps3 gamers get games you could share like LBP and echocrome.and soon with mod racers.

you can't hate on something that is succeeding.they are now watching as ps3 motion is more accurate with 1:1 than the other two.it's just a never ending cycle watching sony own the haters with uncharted and killzone and GT5 and the rest.it's funny really watching it happen.

all with no sony dev houses closing.all with no ps3 fire sales happening.all with sony executives keeping mum and praising the competition and not being arrogant.

that's leadership.if not for the recession,things would look quite different as sony was outselling that other system until the economy went bust.but they still continue to sell all three and support all three unlike the other two that abandoned the cube and xbox.

apocalypse..................

[topdawg122]

Wow, those are a lot of good points and it shows how much they've improved in a short timespan. I can only see Sony continue to improve and I'm not sure why everyone was doubting them when they have a proven track record with ps1 and ps2. The X box is doing a great job improving as well and i think its great to watch both company's striving for the best quality cause these two companies feed off each other and bring us great content.I would still have to give an edge to Sony though on improvements considering how they started out, especially with PSN.

[jden28]

Haters watched as msoft launched the original xbox saying they will fail and go away.

Haters wathched as msoft launched one of they most successful gaming franchichises of all time (Halo)

Haters watched as msoft made harddrives, ethernet, online support standard, (xbox live)

Haters wathed as mfoft gobbled up rare to shore up it's in house development.

Haters loved it when xbox owners had to wait 6 months to get the better version gta, mgs etc...

Haters watched as you paid the same price for xbox as you did for ps2 but you got a harddrive, ethernet, and 4 controller ports out the xbox no extra cost.

Haters loved the 1 year lead ps2 got on xbox 2 year in japan.

Haters loved when nvidia stopped making the gpu chip for the original xbox forcing msoft to stop manufacuring it or pay them $125 per chip.

Hipocrates talk about all the built in stuff that sony said you didn't need last time. (short memory)

Hipocrates say sony's doing it all with their 1st party titltes, I say no choice nobody else can programm the thing.

Hipocrates say 1 year lead is why msoft is ahead I say duh" same with the ps2.

Hipocrates have a short memory and this round this time 2yr 5yr 10yr lifecycle whatever it will be the playstation is played out and will remain in 3rd place.

Theres been a complete role reversal this round sony adapted all the things msoft had going for it with the xbox and msoft found out that they could sell accessories just as good as sony... then nintendo whooped both their a.....ss..es, and pulled so motion stuff, it'll be interesting to see what msoft and sony learn from this round....?

[Darkeyes]

Even with all those 'Hypocrites' points, the PS2 literally kicked the original Xboxes fukin ass... 150 million PS2 till date to 25 million Xboxes. Yup, no competition only molestation. At least the PS3 is neck a neck with nearly DOUBLE the 360's price. That shows that people still are willing to trust the PS brand. The PS3 has reached the original Xboxes mark in nearly 3 years time at double the price, in a fukin secnod greatest recession after the deep depression.... Thats an achievement for ANY console leave alone the PS3.

If the 360 was in the same place as the PS3 now, then 100 buck says it would have been deja vu all over again.

People see the 360 as a success and a PS3 as a failure when the PS3 has sold more in the same time frame. Who are the bloody hypocrites now? The media is after the PS3 this time like wild dogs. Just tell me, the 360 is a success when it passes the original Xbox in sales and PS3 is a failure cause it cannot be the miracle child it was thought before it's launch.... If beating the PS2 sales is what it's going to take for the PS3 to be called 'SUCCESSFUL' by the media, then sadly PS3 will always be a failure cause those numbers are even hard for a Wii to beat.
Why doesn't the media take Wii as the frame of reference? Then PS3 is a big failure and the 360 is an even bigger failure cause at the price of Wii, it can't beat the Wii...

Trust me on this, even if the PS3 beats the 360 in sales, then too it will be called a failure by this joke called 'MEDIA' cause it didn't beat the Wii sales. And if ever the PS3 beats the Wii sales, then they will again call it a failure cause it didn't beat the PS2 sales.... And people call PS3 fanboys hypocrites.

[insomnium]

"1)Haters watched as msoft launched the original xbox saying they will fail and go away.

2)Haters wathched as msoft launched one of they most successful gaming franchichises of all time (Halo)

3)Haters watched as msoft made harddrives, ethernet, online support standard, (xbox live)

4)Haters wathed as mfoft gobbled up rare to shore up it's in house development.

5)Haters loved it when xbox owners had to wait 6 months to get the better version gta, mgs etc...

6)Haters watched as you paid the same price for xbox as you did for ps2 but you got a harddrive, ethernet, and 4 controller ports out the xbox no extra cost.

7)Haters loved the 1 year lead ps2 got on xbox 2 year in japan.

8)Haters loved when nvidia stopped making the gpu chip for the original xbox forcing msoft to stop manufacuring it or pay them $125 per chip.

9)Hipocrates talk about all the built in stuff that sony said you didn't need last time. (short memory)

10)Hipocrates say sony's doing it all with their 1st party titltes, I say no choice nobody else can programm the thing.

11)Hipocrates say 1 year lead is why msoft is ahead I say duh" same with the ps2.

12)Hipocrates have a short memory and this round this time 2yr 5yr 10yr lifecycle whatever it will be the playstation is played out and will remain in 3rd place.

13)Theres been a complete role reversal this round sony adapted all the things msoft had going for it with the xbox and msoft found out that they could sell accessories just as good as sony... then nintendo whooped both their a.....ss..es, and pulled so motion stuff, it'll be interesting to see what msoft and sony learn from this round....?"

1)Don't know, don't care. I love my original xbox.
2)I loved playing Halo. Halo 2 was nice too but not as good as the first one. Halo 3 was a big dissapointment. Nothing new in campaign and don't want to pay to play online.
3)I guess MS forgot the HDD-part of that bargain with the 360 huh?
4)?
5)You guys laugh every time the PS3 loses a formerly exclusive game.
It was the Playstations that made those games what they are today. This time around MS just bought it's way to success with GTA4 for example, with fanboys cheering no less.
6)I love my xbox. I will not touch a 360 again.
7)Why?
8)Change the manufacturer?
9)Times have changed a lot in the last 10 years. Perhaps they were a bit too much back then. Nowadays everyone have internet. No standard HDD in THIS time is just last gen. Follow the times my friend.
10)You're just being silly.
11)No the PS2 was just way more popular.
12)For this to be true the 360 should've sold more than the PS3 even before the desperate pricecut last year, not the other way around.
13)We are living the year 2009. Today the DVD is old, no HDD is old.
Also you are conveniently forgetting who has been playing catch up with HDMI and 1080p even after publicly badmouthing them.

Now it's time for Blu-Ray, standard HDD and Wifi. If this was back in the year 2000 or something then sure I would agree that it's too much and wouldn't want to pay extra for them. To sell outrageously overprized accessories for standard features is just stupid. Even more stupid is to praise them for it.

[gintoki777]

better version of mgs 0.0 how can you judge dumbass anyway why would it be better each mgs is great

[raztad]

@Apocalypse

Long but very good post. You nailed. +1 bubble.

@jdan28

You are talking a lot of nonsense. Good thing insonnium replied to you before me but I feel you are trying to make points out of your azz, just to counter Apocalypse post. Just accept it, PS3 probably is the most HATED console ever. Not sure why is so, but the amount of bvllsh!t, "ps3 is dying" and "what game is gonna save the PS3" has been non stop since 2006. Not matter all the hate and the haters, Sony continues selling (worldwide) at least 10 million PS3/year. This year forecast is 13 million, and they will accomplish it. FFXIII in Japan, and most probably GT5 western-side (along with a given price cut) will sell PS3s like pancakes.

[rjackson1]

The PS3 is doing better than you think.And i got some magic beans to sell to you.Just for one million dallars.PS3 games that are delayed Heavy Rain,Bioshock 2,Gran Turismo 5,Modern Warfare 2,gow 3 until 2010?(DELIVERING AAA TITLES 24/7 SURE YOU RIGHT!)

[ultimolu]

And you're a f*cking moron.

Heavy Rain never had a release date. Gran Turismo 5 never had a release date. How could games that never had release dates be delayed?

Good grief, you 360 fanboys are getting panicky and desperate as usual.

[The_Beast]

did you come up with release dates out of ur ass?

[Arnon]

Look at the date at the end of the Heavy Rain trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Lolowned.

[ultimolu]

Hey Arnon, does it say month/day/year?

It only says 2009.

I do believe you're the jackass.

[Mo0eY]

Don't worry, ultimolu. This is coming from a guy with an Alan WAIT avatar, or the game comes second only behind Duke Nukem Forever in game development time spent with no known info about it.

When will Alan wake up from his long slumber?

[infekt]

Nicely pwnd.

[Arnon]

In Spring of 2010, when it was officially announced at E3'09. When will Heavy Rain reign upon the PS3? According to the previews, it was supposed to be this year, but apparently not. By the way, Alan Wake had no trailer announcing what year it would release.

@Ultimolu

Also, if I'm a jackass for posting an official trailer released by Sony themselves stating that Heavy Rain was slated for a 2009 release, what does that make you? Delusional? Good job with the name calling, though. I do think however you could try and work on a reasonable response other than "Date? Month? Year?"

Yeah, it's year WAS 2009. I don't know why you're arguing. It's a fact that the game was delayed, rofl.

You two need should come up with better responses, or go fail somewhere else.

[ultimolu]

Arnon...the game never had an official release date. It was only moved to 2010.

If a game doesn't have a specific date- month/day/year, it can't be delayed.

You know when Forza 3 is coming out, right? Because it has a specific date!

When you're wrong, you're f*cking wrong.

[Arnon]

Right. You keep telling yourself that, and I'll look at the official trailer released by Sony Computer Entertainment stating that Heavy Rain was originally slated for a 2009 release.

Also, no. I don't pay too much attention to what Forza's release date is, as I don't care and I'll pick it up whenever. Why are you bringing Forza in this, by the way? :x

[ultimolu]

F*cking hell dude, let it go.

It was slated for 2009 but it never received the month/day/year which means it was never announced officially. It was moved only to 2010.

2009 is not a release date.

EDIT: GIVE IT UP ALREADY. IF A GAME DOESN'T HAVE A MONTH/DAY/YEAR, THEN IT NEVER HAD A RELEASE DATE SPECIFICALLY.

date
–noun
1.a particular month, day, and year at which some event happened or will happen: July 4, 1776 was the date of the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

year
a period of 365 or 366 days, in the Gregorian calendar, divided into 12 calendar months, now reckoned as beginning Jan. 1 and ending Dec. 31 (calendar year or civil year).

Educate your dumbass.

EDIT 2: No, you were not right. You were wrong. I blocked you because you were pissing me off.

[Arnon]

Then riddle me this one. Why did they put it in the trailer, then? To lie to us? To just 'guess' at when they'll be done with the game? Or is it just not possible that things were set back, and they delayed it? I mean by what you're telling me, is Uncharted 2 and Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack In Time the only 2 games for the PS3 this year then, since they're the only ones with official dates?

I mean, you're pretty much contradicting the entire PS3 lineup with a statement of "if it's not right to the bone with a date, it's not really coming out."

When a company posts a date such as 2009, we EXPECT IT TO BE RELEASED IN... (Oh my god!) 2009.

Edit:

And so the nub blocks me, because I was right. Nice, but I guess it's expected from her, what with the terrible name calling and extreme immaturity.

Edit 2:

Ultimolu officially failed rofl. But, it was a nice try with the editing. Keep on keepin' on, failure.

[Rhoic]

bahahaha look at juuken. Remember kiddo th e internet is serious business, and juuken can prove it to you by how she constantly goes off topic, ignores questions and calls people names when shes proven wrong!!

[KilZoneGeneralStrife]

HUGE SALES. Remove features if you have to Sony.People want a GAMES console,chuck the rest out.

[The_Zeitgeist]

The slim PS3 looks gay. I am glad that I have the big bulky sexy beast!

[MaximusPrime]

For some reasons i view ps3 in 3rd in countries such as usa, canada and uk.

What about the rest of the world? Mostly 2nd for almost a year now. Japan is the only country that ps3 is 1st.

So is it really worldwide as a whole ps3 is 3rd? If so fair enough.

But in my opinion, ps3 has been selling morethan xbox360 in a same timeframe(since launch) so i consider ps3 as 2nd place, xbox360 2nd

[infekt]

Erm. Where are your Canada figures? The last I heard, a lot of people were buying PS3s over xb360 in Canada.

[ps12&3lover]

IF YOUR GOING TO DISAGREE THAN LEAVE A COMMENT WHY YOU DISAGREE,,DONT JUST CLICK IT AND NOT SAY ANYTHING,,BACK UP UR POINT OR DONT CLICK ANYTHING AT ALL

[GarandShooter]

You had to know all that was going to do was attract more phantom disagreers...like moths to a flame.

[DelbertGrady]

The PS3 is doing so good that it needs articles to tell us how good it's doing ;)

[Gue1]

nice spin there... but as you can see this is a gaming website... news, rumors, sales, etc. are all part of it.

How you'll know if a console is doing good or not? Through word of mouth?

[KingKionic]

Wiimaniac is correct.

This same article can be made showing how well the xbox 360 is doing.

[saimcheeda]

us smart people u call droids try to explain xbots like u what common sense is butr u still dont get it, so there are articles posted to make u understand and u still dont understand....conclusion-your a hopeless case :P

[Traveler]

So when we see articles reporting Xbox 360 successes I guess we should take them to mean exactly the opposite, right?

By your logic, that is.

[-MD-]

"The PS3 is doing so good that it needs articles to tell us how good it's doing"

Lol.

[DelbertGrady]

Yeah lol!

I guess it's actually outselling the other consoles as well? It's actually not in 3rd place.

Going from an install base of 120 million last gen to 20 million this gen. What an achievement!

[NegativeCreep427]

Naturally, you three introverted reprobates are here, first in line first in check ready with your counter measures to convince yourselfs the Playstation brand has done nothing but fall backwards in market share.

You three f*cking clowns are ALWAYS here to convince yourselfs that the PS3 is doing nothing but digging itself deeper into a bottomless hole.

It is so not true. But what can I do myself? You f*cking kids won't even listen to reason for ANYTHING that is even slightly pro-PS3, so you retards might as well take on the reasoning of early 20th century extremists who believed everyone, besides caucasion people, would never be good enough to run this country.

Have fun wallowing in your own retained ignorance, you f*cking idiots!

Edit @ Murderdolls: Typical F'n idiot talk. You might as well just have said: "Why do you get so angry? You're stupid for getting somewhat zealous over my B.S. comments. My partialized idiocy just proves I'm better than you. Incorrigible idiots like myself are the ones that landed on the moon, created electricity, founded capitalism and democracy, and established the global economic framework with which the world runs with today. Smart, rational people are just stupid and stole ideas from people like me and keep anthropologic evolution down"

[-MD-]

All I did was laugh at his joke why don't you take your meds and settle down captain RAAAAGGGGGEEEE.

It's hilarious to see how mad you get over this stuff. Getting under your skin is ezpz.

[whothedog]

"I guess it's actually outselling the other consoles as well? It's actually not in 3rd place."

Where did you get that from, or are you really just that slow? one word TIMEFRAME! no one is trying to say it sold more than the other consoles

"Going from an install base of 120 million last gen to 20 million this gen. What an achievement! "

Edit:(stay on topic) well its past 20 mil and is not that far behind the 360 and 120 mil is the lifetime of past, also 1 yr head start for the 360 might have helped... maybe.... YEAHHHHH

[Shane Kim]

Mart, Soda and Patchstation along with Sak500 and Vega75 is an extinct breed. Just leave them be. Spinning numbers and playing sales are their only chance to survive in the hard reality.

[cmrbe]

Of all idiot xbots I have come across you take the cake. 120M to 23M?

Did you know that the ps2 was once at 23 million at one point ?

Did you know that it took the ps2 8 years at 199 to sell 120m?

Go back to school.

[xcox]

the ps3 is so doomed, it constantly needs blogsh!t propaganda from zealous microc0ck suckas to remind us how bad it's doing

BTW b!tches, did you see toshiba just released a bluray player?
you remember, "bluray is doomed"?
times a changing eh? hahahahaha!

well, i just had a ball playing killzone2 and infamous on my bluray player with free online and this fall i'll play uncharted2 while you wait for your 5th coffin, ha!

xb!tches, you make me laugh, keep polishing that microc0ck: mmm mmm
it's the best you can do while your ass recovers

[KingKionic]

I like to see people share the truth.

Now xbox 360 fans should make one too.

[socomnick]

This is pretty hilarious, you can almost smell the desperation from the sony fanboys, but here is an honest question. None of you guys work for sony, non of you rely on them , so why do all of you guys care if the ps3 succeeds who cares if it fails, Sony fanboys keep holding on to this belief that the ps3 will transition into the ps2 with 100 + million sales, when the reality of situation is that It might never reach 40 million.

[topdawg122]

Socomnick,
you can't deny that Sony is doing well and you hatin on the system is total desperation from you cause you know you want a ps3 loser

[socomnick]

I own a ps3, I actually wana see sony get completely crushed like it has been thus far, because I want Sony to come out with a good ps4 at a resonable price, with a new non outdated controller and a good psn not the crap that exists now. Sony needs to get a good beating so it can learn. Its that simple.

[ultimolu]

It's really sad you think that way socomnick and yet you own a PS3. If you did own one, you would see that things have been getting better as of late.

You know what I'd want to see? That Microsoft actually learns a hard lesson so they can stop bringing out unreliable hardware.

[Andrewww]

Completely agree, ultimolu, I'll never understand how M$ seem to get away with putting such unreliable hardware onto the market.
I think, in Europe a company would just be ripped to shreds in media reputation-wise, and consumers would react/buy accordingly. But there seem to be some massive cultural differences here.

[Traveler]

socomnick, you're more ignorant than I thought if you really believe that the PS3 might not reach 40 million. Please cultivate some common sense. The PS3 has averaged sales of approximately 10 million units a year so far, and that was at a higher price point. Simply maintaining that sales rate would have the PS3 reaching 40 million in about a year and a half from now (four years from launch). That doesn't even take into consideration the increased sales rate that would likely occur once the PS3 reaches a lower price point.

And you are so absurd to claim that the PS3 is getting crushed. What a freaking joke. The 360 had a 10 million console lead when the PS3 arrived on the market. Later the PS3 was able to whittle that down to a mere 5 million console lead. Then, after the 360 received a price cut the gap widened again to a 7 or 8 million lead. I would hardly call that getting crushed.

I wonder why you don't want to see the 360 get "crushed" so that Microsoft can learn from all the stupid mistakes it has made this generation.

I have both consoles and I happen to like the DualShock 3 controller and PSN. There is no way I would list those as mistakes. I would, however, list the 360's shoddy hardware as a mistake.

[insomnium]

You are just waste of space. You are what's wrong with todays console gaming. You spew nothing but evil words trying to bring everyone down. Welcome to my ignore list. You are the second person there.

[cereal_killa]

I still to this don't understand why idiots like Socomnick would go out and pay whatever price for a system they do nothing but bash, if Websters was aloud to post pictures of people next to the definition of stupid, moron, or anything else that defines an act of stupidity I think your photo along with the other people who claim they own both system but are complete 360 fanboys.

Say what you will about the PS3 but it is right now the best system in terms of quality top notch exclusives that has yet to be touched by any "CONSOLE" to date you little fanboys can tote your sales all you want but Sales don't mean sh!t to a consumer it only matters to the people who profit off the system themselves. Sony said them selves there happy with how well they are doing everyone knows they could be doing better but in the amount of time it's been out the game quality gets better and better and will only get better and better allows us gamers to be happy with the purchase we made.

[Traveler]

The PS3 is selling at a faster rate. It came out a year later than the Xbox 360 in North America and about a year and half later in Europe, and it will probably be out for at least a year longer (probably much more). So, if nothing changes and the PS3 continues to sell at a faster rate, it will have sold more units by the end of its lifetime than the 360.

The race is really an illusion in many ways. The two consoles didn't start at the same time so they really aren't in the kind of race that some people imagine. It's more like being at the gym with a buddy and having a friendly contest to see who can do more reps on the bench press. First your friend gets down on the bench and sees how many reps he can do, then it is your turn. When both of you have finished you will know which of you can do more reps using that weight.

It would be absurd, however, if your friend were to brag about doing more reps before you had even finished with your set. But that is exactly the kind of silly claim some fanboys make when they only look at the total number of consoles sold so far. From the companies' perspective what really matters is how much money each console has earned them when all is said and done. If winning some imaginary race against their competitors was all that mattered, console makers would simply give away their consoles.

[-MD-]

TheDeadMetalhead - contributor
Published: 1 hour ago

Darn you were my second guess.

[Revvin]

Sony are not going anywhere. They took a hit this generation to establish Blu-Ray as the chosen format for HD films and they suceeded. They put in a complex CPU which now developers are understanding and is surely to be used in future generations of the Playstation brand so development becomes easier. The Playstation network gets better with each new update and they have a social networing app in the form of HOME which again improves with each release and generates revenue for them while also importantly getting developers involved giving them their own spaces and being able to show off their products within a Sony controlled environment.

[The_Zeitgeist]

Home takes a lot of crap from people on this site. My favorite lie is that Home is a fail. Anyone that frequents Home can tell you just how much stuff people buy on there. Home is fun. I dig the poker.

[Revvin]

I would like them to get more games working through the game launching option in HOME but yes there are plenty of social games to be played there and also clubs to organise meetings etc. I see the phantom disagree's are out, despite also owning a 360 I guess you are not allowed to say anything good about the PS3 here.

[The_Zeitgeist]

I'm loving mine. I just picked up Oblivion Game of the Year Edition for 18 bucks. My god that game is awesome!! Way better than Fallout 3!

[Arsenal4Ever]

So 360's 7 million lead is in the US?

[Sarcasm]

360 Worldwide Units = 30mil
PS3 Worldwide Units = 23mil

30 - 23 = 7

That tells you, that the 360 is 7 million more than the PS3 worldwide regardless if an article makes a typo and writes it as US only sales.

[PirateThom]

Only 7m... the way some people talk, you'd think the PS3 had half the sales of the 360.

[crillyconlig]

the 360 sales lead is only on paper, how many of that 30million are in the bin or been refurbished and set out as another xbox on the market. numbers are insignificant

[Oner]

@ crillyconlig ~ I have been saying that for a while now. If there was a way to ACTUALLY adjust/count the 360's that are absolutely broken the final amount would be lower than what is stated.

[darkequitus]

If you do a little investigation, you know full well 'binned' 360's are not included. When you exchange you 360 you keep the case and serial number and change the innards. Since when is a replacement an additional sale. So when Ford recall a car or Sony a bettery they count that as a sale? Be serious.

I bought both so my bed has already been made. I just enjoy the games now and ket the kid fight ver who's d*ck is bigger

PS/360 owner.

[Oner]

@ darkequitus ~ You have a valid point and I see where I agreed but really have a different view. I meant it as to how many people are out there that couldn't/haven't sent in their 360's because of whatever reason (take me for example as I was screwed right from the beginning with my launch day 360).

[MaximusPrime]

After reading all the comments above, i can see how nervous and desperately xbox 360 fans are.
It reminds me of hddvd / bluray arguement, we now know whos the winner.

[The Lazy One]

there's xbox 360 fans in here somewhere?

maybe they're hiding behind the people praising this "well written" not-a-forum-post forum post that's "finally saying something good about sony"?

[TheMART]

Huh?

"Europe-nintendo writes ""It's in third place." "Sony messed up." "Sony is doomed!""

Only that part of the article is right. And its spot on, the PS3 is in 3rd place. And is 10 mln. behind the 360. The gap has been made larger instead of smaller. Since September 2008 the 360 increased in monthly sales while the PS3 has decreased in sales. Especially with the recession, the PS3 remains to expensive. Even when it hits 300 Euro. The mass of people want a 200 Euro console especially with this economy. It'll stay PS3rd this gen.

[KingKionic]

It`s not a 10 mill lead.

More like a 8.5 mill.

[ultimolu]

It's seven million.

Try again Mart.

You missed the point of the article. The PS3 is selling much faster than the 360 within the same timeframe.

That was his point!

D'oh!

EDIT: You're right Metal.

[TheDeadMetalhead]

It's actually 7 million.

[KingKionic]

It was 30 million in march and 22 million in march for ps3 .

How can it be 7 million?

Think about it man.

[TheMART]

"You missed the point of the article. The PS3 is selling much faster than the 360 within the same timeframe."

Not anymore since September 2008 it isn't... PS3 sales decreased fast, 360 sales increased. It'll be slaughtered this Christmast and stay PS3rd for the rest of this gen!

[ultimolu]

Oh Mart...*shakes head*

Believe whatever you want to believe kiddo. Maybe if you try really hard, Santa Claus can be real too.

[TheDeadMetalhead]

It was 22.91 million. Logically, you would round that up to 23 million.

MART: It's going to take more than a few months for the 360 to get back to its 10 million lead. Besides, once Sony does a pricecut (they will eventually), then PS3 sales will be through the roof.

EDIT @ KionicWarlord below - How could it be 8.5 million? The 360 is at 30.2 million, and the PS3 is at 22.91 million. That's only 7.29 million, not 8.5 million.

EDIT AGAIN: No, I wasn't. But Wikipedia says that the PS3 is at 27.73 million and that the 360 is at like 33.2 million (as of June 31st). How confusing. >=/

[Shane Kim]

It's okay Mart, the 3sh!tty can be 30 million units ahead. Now what games will you be playing this year? Splinter Cell? Bhahahahaahahahaha!

[Traveler]

The PS3 had closed the gap to around 5 million until Microsoft did a price cut for the 360. Since then the gap has widened again to around 7 or 8 million. Keep in mind that at the time of the PS3's launch the 360 had around a 10 million lead due to being on the market for a year with no next gen competition. Now, what do you think will happen if the PS3 gets a price cut?

[Shane Kim]

Traveler what the hell are you saying? Are you using logic and sense when talking to Fart? Or any Bot for that matter? Logic is like an extra terrestrial language for xbots so don't waste your time :P.

[KingKionic]

So like i said it`s closer to 8.5 lead .

So xbox 360 is doing surprisingly good.

@ TheDeadMetalHead

Are you reading wikipedia?

Xbox 360 at 31 million.

[solar]

7 million isnt a small number to overtake. its effing 7 MILLION. sony has a lot of work to do. and in the biggest market in the world the ps3 still lacks behind the 360 in sales. i suspect when GoW3 hits we will see the same jump in numbers like we did in june '08 when MGS4 hit. but come on ppl, be realistic here.

[Traveler]

7 million isn't such a big obstacle. Think about it this way, the PS3 had closed the gap to only 5 million and in the relatively short amount of time since the 360 received a price cut it has managed to widen that gap to 7 or 8 million. That price cut was only last fall (if I remember correctly), which means that things can change relatively quickly with the right forces at work. It is completely possible for the PS3 to close that gap.

[rayjelic]

You Milo-lovers make me sick!

[commodore64]

The gap is 8.5-10 million.

Since November last year, the ps3 has been getting outsold, quite massively. In other words, the gap has been, and is, getting larger, even as we speak!

Not only that, but the 360 has posted yoy sales increases for months, while the ps3 has posted yoy sales decreases.

These are just the facts, please leave fanboyism at the door.

[-MD-]

I've read from multiple sites that the sales were

PS3 = 23 million
360 = 32 million

[solar]

trav, love ya mate...but selling 7 million of anything is a HUGE deal. that doesnt happen over night. while i like my ps3, Sony has to do something to make ppl want their console. as of right now, games (looking at you InFamous) isnt cutting it. hell Prototype for the 360 was a more desirable title then a Sony exclusive. there is something wrong here

[dredgewalker]

Nah i dont mind the bashing anymore because every console will always have its haters regardless of its performance. Im just happy that im getting a lot of games this year and both the 360 and ps3 are giving their all to draw in more gamers which can only be good for every console owner. Every console is doing quite well this generation if you put it besides the sales of other gadgets and appliances.

[KingKionic]

It`s more then seven million.

Will know by the end of month.

[cereal_killa]

Jesus Christ STFU about Sales why do you care so much are you getting any money off the profits?

[tuglu_pati]

@cereal_killa

Jesus Christ STFU about Sales why do you care so much are you getting any money off the profits?

You are in a "The PS3 is doing better than you think" thread telling people to STFU about nunber? I think you are the one that need to SU, dont you think?

[Berserk1]

Wow BOTS TEARS WILL BE EPIC THAT DAY.

[Ven1000]

As the article stated the PS3 has sold faster in the same time period from release as the 360. Some other things to keep in mind.

-PS3 didn't have a simultaneous world wide release.
-PS3 had competition on the market unlike 360 did when it released
-PS3 came out at $500/$600 and still sold at a faster rate than what 360 did
-PS3 Just last year at this time (Jan-Aug) the PS3 was outselling the 360 month to month even with the higher price tag (was $130 more) before the 360 price drop.

So all these thinks make it CLEAR that the PS3 will sell much better with a price drop..

[Ravage27]

it may be useful in countering the never ending wave of retarded anti-Sony smear campaigns(i'm serious,you see them everywhere even on a 'PS3-site' like n4g). I'm pretty sure there are those who hold off buying a ps3 because they keep hearing how it is failing,has no games,going the way of the Dreamcast..etc,etc..all that BS

I have never once regretted buying a ps3(even back in '07) and it has kept me entertained all this while. Great games comes at a steady pace(mostly 1st party), and it's pretty amazing considering the BIG guns like GOW3 and GT5 have yet to arrive. I'm sure most ps3 gamers feel this way, hence the defensiveness when our platform gets attacked by xbots

[bjornbear]

Well once people take their fanboy goggles off they see that PS3 isn't dramatically failing, it's just a bit behind.

This gen is the closest fight between the two next gen consoles, so personally i don't see much of a win or loose, more of a ceremonial "2nd" or "3rd" status...

[rjackson1]

WOW! ARE YOU KIDING ME? YOU GUYS ARE LIVING IN THE PAST. THAT'S ALL YOU SONY FANBOYS DO IS LIVE IN THE PAST NOW.YOU GUYS ARE FUNNY BECAUSE AS MUCH AS WE WOULD LIKE IT.SONY WILL NEVER BE ON TOP AGAIN.YOU GUYS NEED TO GET A LIFE OR A JOB.FAR AS RESPECT YOU MAKE ME LAUGH SONY FANBOYS DON'T KNOW WHAT RESPECT IS.YOU CALL US XBOTS,CRAZY,FOOLS! BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT 360 HAS WON THIS HARD CORE GENERATION.YES SONY HAS LOSS,IT'S OVER TIME TO GET A LIFE.LIKE I TOLD YOU I HOPE YOU FIND A BETTER REASON TO EXIST.REALITY CHECK IT IS OVER SONY IS THE NEW GAMECUBE! ALL I CAN SAY IS EAT A FAT BABY D!CK. AND YOU GUYS GOT COOL-AIDE BLOOD YOUR HEART IS IN YOUR A$$!

[Model]

UNLEASH THE POWER OF CAPS LOCK !!!

[OmarJA]

HAHAHAHAHA! :D

[saimcheeda]

if he was right in front of us then we would have been sprayed all over with spit!!:P.....looks like this guy has given in!!

[ultimolu]

*falls over and dies laughing*

Lmfao, it was only a matter of time before a 360 fanboy snapped here.

Thanks for the laugh. *wipes tears from eyes*

[clintos59]

Totally agree with the article & been stating this ever since the ps3 has opened up a can of azz whoopin with its ARSENAL of AMAZING EXCLUSIVES.

Only ppl who will talk down on the ps3 are the IDIOTS with there NERD SHADES on. The ones who cant stand what sony has done for us gamers, & that is bring us hit after hit & it continues with the success of the ps3 which alot of these IDIOTS been saying since the launch of the ps3 it will be a failure & now that SONY is PROVING ALL those IDIOTS WRONG with the ps3 going against all odds the ONLY THING these SAME IDIOTS can do is FIND "ANY LITTLE THING WRONG WITH THE PS3" just to write MORE NEGATIVE things about it. I say keep up the HARD WORK HATERS, because it'll be only a matter of time when SONY PROVES why THEY have always BEEN the INDUSTRY LEADERS when THEY RECLAIM that TOP SPOT. Mark my words it will happen again.

[CSM-101e]

"the Tortoise and the Hare"?

Besides, the fact is Sony competes with Sony, not Microsoft. Microsoft competes with Sony. Neither of these approaches are wrong, or even bad; it's a cultural difference.

[Berserk1]

PS3 price cut=xbot360 DOOM.

[tehReaper]

Price cut may also mean, doom for Sony. I think Sony is doing great considering the high price point. If they cut the price on their current skus they will sell more, but also lose more. I think they should price cut the Slim and keep the current price of their higher end models. That's just my opinion.

[CryWolf]

Its only a matter of time for PS3 Slim and Price Cut will = 360 DOOM!!

[stonecold3]

the best games this gen and its only a matter of time ps3 will outsell those xbox even the hater will disagree but ps3 is the only next gen avaviable right now i dont class the other 2 as next gen there days are already other xbox fans needs googles on so they can truley see ps3 is the machine of choice if slim does come with price cut they will have 360 in a year and we all know the ps brand from ps1 ps2 numbers ps3 even psp outsell 360 and wii and the other 2 are already are tapped out with forza3 coming on 2 dvds with gran tursimo5 coming on 1 blu ray forza3 is not even in the same leaugue as gt5 and saying forza 3 matches gt5 when it does not

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[starchild]

Ha, ha man that was so good and so true. That dude nailed it. I wish these 360 fanboys would pull their heads out of their @sses, or out of Microsoft's @ss to be more precise. Awesome vid. I subscribed to it.

[John Kratos]

To all the people that are promoting a particular console sales, why don't you go out on the street and advertise for that console so it gain sales and crush the competition. While your doing that I'll be enjoying my 360 and PS3 very much.

[PotNoodle]

Hence the reason sony always seem confident in the fact their console will end up in a good position.

[stonecold3]

360 will finf it tough once slim comes and price cut gt5 heavy rain god of war 3 will put ps3 back on the map once again like with ps2 even xbox is not doing ps2 numbers but ps3 will get those ps2 numbers again

[Meus Renaissance]

I don't think anyone hates the PS3. If anything it comes from the arrogance some PS3 owners, and maybe even Sony, demonstrated. Everyone thought it was going to own this generation like the last yet it's still in third, and each year we read these DOOM articles and each year we read the NO ITS NOT article that quickly follows it. It's a shame because the console itself doens't deserve all the negativity.

Meanwhile to combat that, the negative articles for the 360 published by some here is how Marketplace isn't fully working on a given weekend, or Microsoft corporation is being sued etc etc.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

The ps3 is doing just fine. It's not doing better than the 360 or the Wii, but still doing fine.

[pippoppow]

It's doing very well selling at least as well as the 360 year to year with the Wii far ahead. Don't try and lump the 360 and Wii together like it's close between the 2. 360 worshipers love the sales slant but always disregard the Wii and now try to lump the 2 together. If anything it's the Wii dominating with the 360 and PS3 both doing very well. Oh yeah the 360 is in second place total sales wise *high 5*, chest bump, Woohooo, second place is the best (this gen), WOW...PEEYAW!!!

[PStu'rd]

3billions in losses
Alienating major part of the former PS fanbase
Alienating all exclusive 3rd party support
Starting to alienate non exclusive 3rd party support
Previously popular 1st party franchises lost all might
Previously dominant generations turned irrelevant
The alienation of the internet gaming community (annoying Sfags the fault of that but whatever (but hey, annoying Sfags are the fault of Ps3 failing @ everything so yeah))

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Ps3, the 3rd place product to fell proud of lololololololll

[digger18]

"3billion in losses" Is that all? Microsoft Xbox gaming division had lost 7 billion and still runnng at a lose.

http://boycottnovell.com/20...

[kagon01]

In March 2010...

[commodore64]

$3 billion in ps3 losses?
No, that's wrong.

It is actually closer to $4 billion losses, with no end in sight.

MS did the only logical thing theyh could with the xbox1.
They discontinued it, because it offered so much better value than the competition that it wasn't profitable.

.... sounds a lot like another console THIS gen, doesn't it?

Sony is barely breaking even on its ps3 operation!
With a PS3 pricecut, they will undoubtedly continue to post losses in an attempt to lift marketshare out of distant third place.

When you consider the losses Sony is making on ps3, one must ask whether they are sitting on a big white (black) elephant that needs to be discontinued, due to it haemorrhaging money in much the same way that the wii is printing it.

[kewlkat007]

Yeah yeah it's the same ol BS about PS dead articles and how it's not the truth.

I say tomayto and you say tomahto.

I'll stick to my guns, Sony PS3 only selling Ok because it is also great BD player.

As long, as I acknowledge the software sales numbers and how weak they are and especially for pretty good Exclusive Games, I'll continue to point out, something is still wrong and the install-base is skewed.

Until a price-cut it will not be the games selling the hardware.

[pippoppow]

So you just follow the sales trend huh. Guess you must own a Wii then. You ever think that most PS3 owners are over 18 who probably have other bills to pay. They may be more frugal with their purchases due to this besides having other hobbies. Also since the Ps3 has a Blu-ray player the money is divided between games and movies. Funny how games sales are actually pretty close and consoles sales are close between PS3 and 360 World Wide with the Wii far ahead. If the PS3 was at 10mil then it would be in trouble but is only a year behind in sales to the 360. No worries from people who can see the big picture. Too many tunnel visioned diehard naysayers who want to skew facts.

[kewlkat007]

I do have a Wii, actually I own all 3 consoles and I do follow sale trends so I can give my opinion.

"You ever think that most PS3 owners are over 18 who probably have other bills to pay."

-Dude is that Fact or more or less opinion, at this state. Sony did not manage to sell 100 million PS2's to just 18+ year olds. Those same older gen players, we talk about, are those that grew with the Brand after 2 gens. I do believe at it's price-point and being a great BD player, you would get an older population that can afford
such HD luxuries but the bulk of PS sales(over the years) have been by the casual market, that usually do not buy until prices have come down.

"They may be more frugal with their purchases due to this besides having other hobbies. Also since the Ps3 has a Blu-ray player the money is divided between games and movies."

-Yes I could see that happening since the install-base is quite low comparing to past gens currently. I don't dispute that. There is all types of legitimate rationals and spins. I also know people that will never buy games for the PS3 and got one because it came with a bravia or was a cheap enough BD player to go with their sets.(How many of hem are out there, I do not know) but unlike you, I'm willing to bet there is plenty, which effect software sales.

Yes the console sales are not that far off, obviously Sony has more potential to sell because of past install-base of over 100 million and having the hardware do very well as a video player. so your hitting 3 demographics. No I do not think there are in trouble or doubt they cannot sell given the potential but for me, they are no longer the best in the industry at everything. Others are catching up and I tend to celebrate competition instead of hating everything about the competitors.

[yorkie]

The PS3 has sold 23 million consoles and it has sold them faster than the 360 managed, it has the best exclusive games available on any system (P.C. included), a built in Bluray player, free online gaming network with a host of features to suit all tastes. It is produced by a comapny with the foresight to build up a large and highly talented array of first party developers, to ensure quality software on a regular basis without having to rely too heavily on third party devs. So not only is it doing very well indeed it is in a position to carry on doing very well for many more years to come. When you consider that at some point in the not too distant future it will recieve a price drop then even the most ardent and blinded of nay sayers has to realise that the future looks very very rosy indeed, only a fool with a complete lack of foresight would think otherwise.

[Odin777]

Desperation, doom, failure, lies, death, arrogance, bashing, beating,
gay, hatred...one would never imagine this in response to...sales.

[JasonBloodbourne]

I'll admit i was always a 360 fan til about May then i played Killzone 2 and thought i gotta get me one of these badboys! since then i haven't really touched my 360 cos i'm bored with it and have fallen in love with the ps3. i for one don't care its in 3rd place i love it and what it can do! and thats all that matters to me. plus i like the way the online is evolving slowly but surely, there's just something about it that makes me keep coming back to it! plus the games are outstanding in my opinion plus i'm bored with xbox live and wanted something different.

[tuglu_pati]

I bought the PS3 first and i was in love with it, but since i bought the X360 i realized that Live is much better than PSN also the it has awesome first party tittles and better looking 3rd multiplatform games. Now im always playing with my X360 while my PS3 doesnt get too much playing time.

[Traveler]

Tuglu_patti, I'm the exact opposite of you. I bought a 360 at launch and later got a PS3. After playing online with both services I noticed that PSN does everything I really need and is free, while Xbox LIVE costs me nearly the price of a new game each year and is not worth it to me. Ever since I got back into PC gaming, my 360 mostly just sits there.

[B1ueBurner]

Why would I think its doing bad in the fist place.. if its doing better than I think. ??

[sak500]

Same Argumentwe've been hearing for past 2 1/2 years

WAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT for MGS4, waiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit for KZ2 waiiiiiiiiiiiiiit for home, waiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit for LBP, waiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit for SLIMDADDY vesrsion, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIT for $80 PS3 super slim version, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIT for GOW3, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIT for GT5..

If you add up all the waiting you would wait another 20 years for ps3 to be worthwhile purchase.

[Belasco]

Plus, I owned a Ps3 and promptly returned it in 2 weeks. Mainly because the experience wasnt any different from my 360 save the crappy dual shock.

[raztad]

@sak

WTF are you talking about I guess you are a kid. I know logic doesnt work well around this place but let me try.

This is really funny:

"WAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIIT for MGS4" <--- MGS4 indeed came, sold more than 4 million copies and made MS drop desperately the 360 price to 199$ after being outsold for almost the whole last year. LOL

LBP, KZ2, inFAMOUS all they came as well, and we PS3 owners are happily enjoying our console with amazing high quality exclusives right now, BUT who are saying WAIT? 360 fans are. You still got nothing to play so far this year. First was wait for E3, now is wait for forza3, wait for AW, wait for L4D2, wait for DLCs, wait for standalone expansions sold at full price. You guys are waiting, PS3 owners are playing.

[illjaden]

Man, The PS3 is worth the purchase even if you dont play games on it. Get your sh!t together... You are probably a 19 year old nerd that realy likes to cuddle with your hoover machine, yea thats right it sounds like a god damn aircraft.

The PS3 Got blu-ray, 80 GB HD that you can switch anytime you want to whatever you want. Transfer movies, music series pictures well almost everything onto it. It has a webbrowser, it has WI-FI built in which many family's use this time around. ALL THAT and I haven't even started on the games nor the free online service (That isn't worse the XBL), its actually better. Almost every game uses it's own server which means full costimazation abillity such as letting MAG have 250+ players in one game. Alongside with that the servers dont get fed up with other online activity that slows it down. XBL uses ONE main server in each region for all online activity. When will people listen to facts instead of garbish? You guys are like religouse people that always change your ways or still keep talking ur rubbish as the facts rain down upon you. when will it be your time to just STFU!?!?

[solar]

sak is only stating what ive heard the entire time ive been on N4G. wait for this title, wait for this title. the ps3 saw a huge jump in sales when MGS4 hit. and it was justified, it was a good game. but so far LBP, UC, InFamous, KZ2, they arent moving consoles. GoW3 will like MGS4 will. and GT5 will. but thats a big gap. Sony needs to sell consoles....they are not.

[sak500]

double

[Stev1414]

I was the same as you, now i love my ps3, i still own both consoles but i hardly touch my 360 any more. as soon as it red rings next im getting it repaired then selling it for ps3 games :D

[tuglu_pati]

"as soon as it red rings next im getting it repaired then selling it for ps3 games :D "

That doesn't make any sense, why wait, sell it now.

[donnie-2105]

although i dont think the ps3 is dying if you compare its performance this gen to last and sonys own forecasts it has been a massive failure.regardless of whether its not to far behind ms at the 360s 3year mark to go from a 120+ install base to reports of being dropped by the worlds biggests game publisher is very worrying indeed and sony are losing ground every year.

[yorkie]

How are Sony losing ground every year. The PS3 is gaining ground on the 360 in terms of sales and what exactly do you mean by a massive failure ? EA's fiscal results for 2008 showed the software sales on PS3 to be up by 192% so I dont think it's too worrying now is it.

[MysticStrummer]

Wow, that Hippocrates was really ahead of his time. ;)

[frostyhat123]

360 is better because of online multiplayer gears 2, halo 3
ps3 only has one advantage a browser and little big planet
Killzone 2 Sucks finnaly let that out
Live is worth the money

[MysticStrummer]

Nevermind that BluRay is ahead of DVD in terms of sales in a similar time span. Nevermind that the PS3 is selling at a faster rate than the 360 with a higher price tag. Nevermind that the PS3 is a far more reliable piece of hardware. Nevermind that the PS3 is a more powerful piece of hardware. Most of all, nevermind that the PS3 and 360 are still being outsold by the Wii and PS2. We now return you to your regularly scheduled program, "Who's in Third?"

[CryWolf]

PS3 is doing better then anybody thinks I mean look at ps3 exclusives for 2009 and 2010 obviously ps3 have the power and more advances 3D graphical technology far beyond 360 tech with a blu-ray player to back up that fact look at the videos.

[CryWolf]

look

[CryWolf]

Can 360 do stuff like this No.

[solid knight]

In my opinion Sony will pass MS and the reason is that Sony is going to be selling PS3's way after MS leaves the 360 to market their next console. Look at the PS2 it's still selling after 9 years in the market. All the PS3 needs is a price cut. Imagine how many people will buy a PS3 once it is selling for $200 and yes we will have to wait a long time for the price but it will eventually happen. I dare to say that there is a slight possibility that it can even pass the Wii cuz I don't think Nintendo is going to keep the Wii for more than 3 years, especially due to the rumors of the Wii HD. PS3 will sell above the 100 mill consoles.

However, the bottom line it doesn't matter what place the PS3, 360 or Wii ends. What is important that you enjoy the console you play in and every console has done a great job of catering to their fans.

PS. this is my first comment here, although have been reading the site for a long time :).

[XLiveGamer]

1st place: Wiiiiiiiiiiiiii!

2nd place: Xbox 360!

3rd place: PS3!

Thats how it is PERIOD

To all of you trying to make Xbox 360 look bad go back again and look each console positions.

To all of you trying to say PS3 its dead... dont be a moron none of those consoles are going to die. We better thank GOD for another 3rd console in the market. Competition = Consumer benefits.

I dont really know what you b!tches gain by defending your plastic god of choice.

[ian72]

The PS3 may noy be selling great in the US but around where I live in the UK it is selling very well. More people own PS3 than 360 here. Take into account all the world not just America then Sony is doing fine. Most people seem to think the US is all the world.

[megazeroxuxm]

i think some of you guys really need to read the article before commenting lol

[Obama]

Bots are so delusional that they don't believe the 360 actually have a year head start. Scary.

[commodore64]

..but you didn't seem to mind as much when the ps2 had a year's headstart last gen?

weird.

[Traveler]

You want to know what the difference is, commodore64? The difference is, the 360 currently has a smaller lead over the PS3 than it had when the PS3 launched. On the other hand, the PS2 gained a much, much larger lead over the Xbox than it had when the Xbox launched.

This means that the PS2s success over the Xbox was not simply due to being launched earlier, while the 360s lead is entirely because it launched earlier.

[commodore64]

yeah we will never know for sure exactly what effect launching one year ahead has for any console.

What is for sure, though, is that the ps3 is in third place and going backwards, with falling sales yoy.

I guess that is something the ps2 never did do, right?

[RealtorMDandDC]

And I have to Bloody say my PS3 is one helluva gaming machine........Back to Playing Killzone 2(ranked 20K long way to number one) & Infamous......

[Sackdude]

This kind of info is the one that must be placed on games news sites, but instead they only place purely bashing-the-PS3 information.

This is bad news for MS since x360 is already 150$ and MS cant drop it any lower.

[ico92]

fanboys really need to realise its not 2006/2007 its 2009 and they need to stop trying to find reasons to hate the ps3 its getting stale

[Blogz4Fanboys]

are you seriously going to sit there and say that there's never any blogs wrote attacking the 360?? seriously?

what about the frequent rubbish from thegameraccess, badassgamerblog, mikegotgame, gamer.blorge and all the other sh!t-owned-by-a-fanboy blog sites??

now i know your very much a champion of sony and loyal soldier(even going as far as writing a blog about microsofts losses...how very sad) but even you cant deny that n4g is a hotbed of flameware blogs with just a smidgen of real news.

the difference is, blogs that attck sony have the majority of the community frothing at the mouth and all up in arms. whilst blogs that attack the 360 or microsoft are defended and called articles..lol the hypocrisy on here is astounding.

hit the disagree button as much as you want kiddies, it doesn't change the facts. but the real gamers(like you try to call yourself darkride..lol rite) know the score.

[Unicron]

"but even you cant deny that n4g is a hotbed of flameware blogs with just a smidgen of real news. "

On N4G? Naaahhhh. *giggles*

Okay I can't say that with a straight face. This site is absolutely horrid. But like a carwreck, I can't look away. The sheer amount of stupidity in both the articles and the fanboy replies compels me to look. If only this site had actual news, it would be amazing.

[Yomiro]

is a long race

[bligmerk]

The PS3 is too technically advanced for a lot of people with lower intelligence. Just like the classes in school for the slow learners, they will gradually understand and come around, even if they are the types that have to keep taking more time to learn the obvious.

[DonnieDarko]

Every ps3 fanboy will tell you that the 360 costs so much more, so in actual fact that means the PS3 is doing terrible considering it's a middle of the range (price wise) console.

But consider this, the PS3 fanboys cry about the extras you HAVE to have with a 360, even though you dont have to. But have you ever thought about the fact that when you buy a PS3 you need an HDMI cable and a headset and a AA/AAA game bundled in to match what you get with a 360 Premium bundle.....

Just a little food for thought.

[illjaden]

Is that the PS3 DONT need a price-cut. What it needs is a new way of selling. It needs an arcade version, a medium version and an elite version. The problem that Sony has had the entire race (except for the fact that they cant market them selves) is that they dont have an opportunity for the customer to choose what they want and need.

For example: A mother comes into a gaming store in sweden to buy a concole for the family or her kid; see's an XBOX 360 Arcade version for 1999 SEK (thats 255 USD) ready to take on the nextgen games (well atleast she thinks, no hard-drive baby) and she see's a Playstation 3 that costs 3999 (Thats 511 USD). What do you think she will buy? Ofcourse she will buy a XBOX 360, not caring about what the kids want to play or what she gets out of it. She have seen alot of XBOX marketing and know it can handle this generation games as far as she understands.

THAT is what Sony's problem is, except for not bundeling a Headset with the hardware which makes no sense at all. I've owned a 360 myself but I sold it because I felt that the PS3 is more for me and when I compare them, my personal opinion is that the PS3 crushes the rest of the concoles in every way. So dont come here after this post flaming me about 360 fanboyism. I love my system. But just because i do, doesn't mean that they dont do mistakes. Which should be the standard logical thing to know even for 360 fanboys. Ciao

[DynDasE]

I did think that PS3 is doing good more than it suppose to.
The crappy launching. (500K units available..)
The available titles. (when launching too..)
The 256MB system's RAM which affect the multi-platform developing.
The lost of 3rd party exclusives.

But look at the sales ? Impressive!
8M sales behind 360 without the price cutting. * A *
Just wait for PS3's cut , I think the sales should go BOOM BOOM BOOM.
I wish the PS3 Slim's scandal was true . * w *=b

BTW , PSP GO's design was... hopeless for me. = A =

[llMurcielagoll]

I must say this is a very good read. I vreally liked it and you have my approval :)

That is my personal opinion. I am not speaking for everyone here.

[Power_of_Black]

360 at 2 1/2 years: 19 million
( 1 year zero competition ) ( how many rrod were accounted for ? )

PS3 at 2 1/2 years: 23 million
( with Wii and 360 for competition and a higher price range )

Hello !?!? WAKE UP !!

[ShadowCK]

"Sony lose money on every PS3 sold"

I think he meant 'Lost'

Otherwise, Nice read.

[RicoLoma]

I agree, Sony is doing better.

Microsoft and Nintendo are just doing better. XD

[redsnake]

wow i didnt even realize that the ps3 has done better than the 360 since it came out :0. i guess i will have to stop bashing it now.

[EvilTwin]

Is Sony in danger of becoming Sega? Heck no. The PS3 will grind on and sell respectively, and the PS2 is still a golden money pit for Sony.

But they did win the last two console gens. If you WERE the market leader for current-gen hardware sales, and now you're in last place, then yes, you HAVE lost market share. Those are the breaks. Nobody gets first place all the time.

[Ninjamonkey]

Its great to see an article with logic for once =D

[keysy420]

but its true M$ isnt selling at a rate that says they will kepp a lead over the ps3 especially when the system is twice as much. people complain that its brand loyalty and so... If it's brand loyalty then someone must have liked what they got with the brand and with M$ turning out pieces of crap it doesnt look promising for them