There is no Zelda timeline, stop trying

Destructoid: "For years people have been trying to piece together a time line for The Legend of Zelda. With stories this epic there has to be an overarching time line, right? They can't just be plopping us down in a random world, with a random Link every time. A few months ago YouTube user ocarinahero10 tried to piece together a theory on the time line of Zelda. He used the (evidently) widely accepted "split time line" theory in which there are two Zelda time lines that are created in Ocarina of Time. One of these time lines leads to the Wind Waker games and the other leads to the NES games."

[Smacktard]

I smell delicious Nintentears. People who actually believed in a timeline were morans anyways.

[PirateThom]

"morans"

Indeed.

[RememberThe357]

People thought a shadow was Micheal Jackson's ghost. People will believe anything.

At least he tied though.

[tmt345]

If you look under that "shadow" it also has a shadow, why would a shadow have a shadow? He's obviously got unfinished business! OOOOOooooOO

[Doton07]

http://z.about.com/d/politi...

[Natsu X FairyTail]

roflmao Pirate

[FamilyGuy]

Who's been trying to form a time-line?
Personally, I've always seen new Zelda titles as re-imaginings
They're all basically the same game.

LMAO@ "morans" and the calling of anyone a moran.
I can't stop laughing!!111!1!

[Mahr]

""morans"

Indeed."

Maybe he was saying that all the people who believed in the timeline were from the city in Kansas?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[ChickeyCantor]

Even then, while the story doesn't really add up its still strange how
Minish cap explains why link is wearing the hat, it explains why there are so many stuff in pots and between grass fields.
OOT explains the origin of the 7 sages.
How Windwaker indicates to be the events after OOT(where the hero never returned, they even refer to him as the hero of time)

So i wonder if the one who responded just said that because its what he thought. Cause Miyamoto even stated that TP is about 100 years after OOT.

This guy is lying or miyamoto isn't telling the truth xD.

edit:
There is also a contradiction in the letter though...
He states that every game represents a new link, and thats not true.
OOT>MM
OA>OS
WW>PH
LTTP>LA

[Captain Tuttle]

lol at Thom

[Montreafart]

Thats why every Zelda feels like a remake of the old.

They twist a little bit here, a little bit in the fighting there. But overall, the picture is the same.

The story is pretty bland for an RPG (but then the Zelda fans are like "but but but ZELDA IS NOT AN RPG, YOU morAn".

Funny how Zelda is not an RPG when it comes to the storyline but it always get nominated and wins the RPG award. And conveniently, Zelda is an RPG then.

Anyway, every Zelda is the same. Thats why trying to piece the Zelda's together, doesnt work. And no matter how hard people try, the end results feels FORCED and artificial but not natural. Because the games twisted together, simply dont make any sense. They are the same.

The changes are miniscule, like Maddens, Forzas, NFLs and FIFAs. Every Zelda features the same, village boy grows up into hero and saves Zelda and Hyrule from evil boss Ganon. And somewhere in between, there is the mastersword, the ice/ water dungeon, the grappling hook and the Tri force.

lol

People should just accept the fact that Nintendo isnt good at telling stories. And thats why they never try. Not even in a game like Zelda. Even the most generic and average Square Enix RPG has a more complicated and better story then this.

The fact is that if you grew up with "A Link to the past" then you played the best and most complete Zelda ever. That game was the first of the line up that followed after it with all the elements mentioned above. Every other Zelda since that game, is a copy/ remake of it.

Every Zelda is the same. Thats why I stopped playing it after I realised this many many years ago.

EDIT: to the people who are still in disbelief and are claiming that certain games have connections:

You are wrong. Let me explain you how the corporate world works. 15 Nintendo folks gather together on a Monday morning after weekend and they are like: "hey guys, last Zelda was a success. Lets make a new one. Anyone got any ideas?"

And they just start brainstorming for several weeks and come up with different weird things. And then one day:

Nintendo dude A: "hey, it just strikes me as odd that Link always wears that hat. Why dont we change his outfit?"

Nintendo dude B: "Are you nuts? Thats his trademark clothing"
Nintendo dude A: "Oh... but why though?"
Nintendo dude B: "It just is! Dont question my authority!"
Headboss: "hmmm, interesting. Why dont we make the next game about Links cap and explain why Link wears that cap. Sounds like a good DS game to me!"

Everyone: "yea!"

And that is how these connections are formed. There is no timeline, just Nintendo employees coming up with funny shiat. But meanwhile you folks are wasting your youth and time, trying to "uncover" the hidden timeline hidden inside Nintendos top secret "fault".

lol! Yea righhhttt *rolls eyes*

[N4g_null]

I really hate when group up fans impose their own ideas on creators of their favorite things. This is getting out of hand this gen. Zelda doesn't have a time line in the same manner that mario bro does have a time line. These are merely game design devices.

Zelda and link are basically a metaphor at best. In a similar way they are like Final fantasy which is always a new fantasy maybe linked in some odd manner yet new.

If the "story" needs to be there then it would make sense for each game to be a parallel universe that is only separated slightly. Which means there are similarities and some random continuance.

Go back a tell me the frist zelda was about the story... seriously.

I don't know if I would call them morans LOL but some people are using their creative talents in the wrong manner. This is one case of it. Stop trying to build on top some one else's work! If that is not what you are trying to do then why would you try to impose a time line on to nintendo when that isn't really the reason why we play these games?

Some thing tells me the zelda fans on the internet are loosing or forgetting or wanting this game to be some thing is was never meant to be. This seems to be more prevalent now but maybe I'm wrong.

I hope the next link is a girl LOL. And zelda is her sister Oh I wasn't suppose to say that or was I!

[evrfighter]

wow you guys are acting like a bunch of morans =\

[edgeofblade]

There are SEVERAL split timelines... and most of them are only one game deep. Only a handful of games can be considered to have a sequel. Ocarina and Majora. LOZ and Adventure. And those two Capcom GB versions are possibly concurrent.

Why does this have to fit? Can't a game just have great gameplay and infinite re-playability? This is the kind of f*ckery that I'm talking about when I say plot diminishes gameplay.

And Zelda is NOT an RPG... It's an adventure game. Just because there are people with pointy ears doesn't make it an RPG any more than it makes it Star Trek!

[njr]

So this is what people do on their spare time away from console wars...

[Mr.Mister]

well lets the one that finish zelda speak i finish zelda and there is a time line.
I will take consideration until miyamoto say so. until then sorry i dont take there word for.

[ahall88nhl]

lol
he sounds so offended
now that's a true nerd

is it so hard to believe that all the Zelda games are just individual stories? I thought it was pretty clear while I was playing them

[Timesplitter14]

yeah this guy sounds butthurt over nothing

[qface64]

well its obvious some are connected together so a time line does exist just not in the way most people think

only the certain games that are connected have a time line

[TruthbeTold]

the same base story being told over and over. Is it that much of a disaster for fandom if it is all not "linked"? Just let it go and enjoy the series for what it is, a Legend, told over and over with details changing here and there each time it is retold. I mean wow... The guy who made that video was ANGRY. A petition? Just let it go...

[CobraKai]

The base story is exactly the same (although i never played the handheld versions) it's the approach and execution that changes. It's almost like each iteration is a remake or retelling in some way. You can always count on Ganon's search for the Triforce, zelda getting kidnapped, and Link following inadvertantly bringing the Triforce together. Big exception being Majora's Mask which is my favorite cuz it involved no triforce.

[Quickstrike]

A few days ago a friend of mine asked me what's the most complex story in a game series. I said the MGS series and he said I was wrong and said it was the Legend of Zelda series. I said "what's complicated about it? You play as Link and you save Zelda." He then said "Try to place each game in its correct time line." I then said "There's no timeline, it's just random worlds each game." It went back and forth for a while.

[Montreafart]

MGS was the correct answer. Your friend is just a sour Nintendoboy loser.

Zelda has no story. Actually, the potentional for story is great. Young village dork rises to become hero blah blah.

But the way the game ends up being, is always so bland lol.

It doesnt help when the games are always made using last gen technology.

- no voice acting on ANY character
- script and character lines resemble a C movie
- movie experience like MGS or Uncharted? Forget about it
- always the same like the previous games
- sound resembles MIDI sounds era. No soundtrack or composed music at all.

All this makes for a pretty bland RPG production. I swear if the name "Zelda" or "Nintendo" wasnt pasted on top of it, it wouldnt draw any attention at all. People would pass it off as a generic last gen RPG.

[Infernostew]

Slow day. It would be a good idea if for the next zelda game they have an overarching story that extends through the next couple zelda titles.

[Natsu X FairyTail]

Even if there is No TimeLine in Zelda

In my Head it goes like this

Link with the Windwaker Style all Linked

Link Ocarina of time , Majora's mask , Twilight All Linked and the ones on GBA with the red and blue box are all linked.

[RockmanII7]

It goes

OoT→MM→Windwaker→Phantom Hourglass→Spirit Tracks.

The problem that people have is that not all the games are in the 'timeline'

[SinnedNogara]

Some games are connected, some aren't. I do believe in some sort of timeline, but we will never really know. The games do trace back to OoT (the cutscene at the beginning of Wind Waker).

Or you can follow GT's timeline.

[ChickeyCantor]

exactly,
The green tunic is also explained to be the outfit of an legendary hero...

The guy basically ignored his video since he was just spouting nonsense.
I rather hear it from SM, cause it just sounds weird for lots of zelda games to refer back to something.

[chisox100]

The only true sequel is Wind Waker to Phantom Hourglass and Ocarinia to Majora's Mask. Because Nintendo said Phantom Hour glass continues the story of WW. And Majora's mask has flash backs to OTT

[gumgum99]

Of course there is not timeline. Every game literally reboots itself with a new link, a new era, and different interpretations of the characters around him.

[Shnazzyone]

I'd like for nintendo to clarify one day but they don't have to. As long as the games continue to play better then any other franchise out there then why complain or think too much about it.

[EvilTwin]

Ninty has to have some guideline to go by for the series' plot. But to me, it's not like it matters that much. If LoZ:TP happens 100 years after certain events in one timeline or the other is irrelevant to me enjoying a well-crafted game with a decent story. If only TP hadn't used Gannon and stuck with Zant...

[ico92]

NEVER!!!!!!!

[truehunter]

what r the change of zelda going for PSP.

[ChickeyCantor]

The "CHANCES" are 0.

[SinnedNogara]

There is a 0% chance that will ever happen. Its as likely as finding a hot Playboy model who cooks and does dishes for you!

I just wasted a bubble.

[AaronGreenturd]

Zelda is for 10 year olds

[specialguest]

You just shook the Nintendo hornets nest and you gone get it. There's a reason why the Wii-mote resembles a nun chuck.

[McDaygo]

I big boy now.

[AaronGreenturd]

Zelda is for little babies and children

[dktxx2]

it must be your favorite game then

[McDaygo]

Good Vid, I never even thought about a timeline and apparently neither has Nintendo. New game. New link. Unless specified. Case Closed. Unless..........

[Gr81]

People love Zelda in the first place? It's the gameplay and content. Without those two things no one would give a damn about the story.

I actually think they should reboot the series' story. I feel that since OoT all other Zelda's have been bound to stay within that realm. Where as OoT had free reign to really just go wild.

But again if the gameplay and content doesn't wow us then the story will be forgetable as well. When did gamers start playing games for stories? I sometimes miss the old days where you were just jumped into the game and started getting your ass kicked until you finally got your skills up to start kicking ass. The NES Zelda basically threw you right into a world handed you a sword and said "go."

Remember NES contra? landing on a platform with a gun in hand "go" Now we have minutes, sometimes hrs worth of cut scenes some interactive, but still. I play games because they are fun, if I want story I'll read a book (another lost art) or watch a movie like the GodFather.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Zelda series in all its glory and love all the mythos surrounding it, but I'm more excited about the possibilities of WM+ and other gameplay revolutions than I am about them furthering a story.

[kira989]

Why people make such a big deal over this stuff....

If you believe there is a timeline fantastic, if you believe that each game stands alone then fantastic... Noone has the right to tell the other that they are wrong... Only Nintendo reserves that right..

You call them morons because they brought up points which may lead some to believe that one continuous story exist from a bunch of games... I think thats more impressive than moronic even if (and they may not be) wrong

[ChickeyCantor]

I think the "big deal" is due the fact that Miyamoto and its team have stressed their is certainly a story line. However it has become so complex it doesn't really add up much unless you dig really deep.

Now we have some guy claiming he got a letter from Nintendo stating there is no timeline.

Its confusing honestly and contradicting to what the creator, Miyamoto himself said.

Lots of the zelda games even refer back to other zelda games. Why would they do this if there is no "story" at all? Why would they say TP is about 100 years later from OOT? Or that spirit tracks is 100 years later from WW?

They certainly indicate there is some sort of a story line, even if its "in between" the games and not on a universal scale, this "letter" seems to contradict everything that is told or said in the zelda games.

Sure its not a big deal, it doesn't really matter if there is no timeline, but the fact is this letter contradicts allot and its confusing for those who love the franchise. That something is pretty much their "settled" zelda "universe".

It goes for any gamer who is a fan of a franchise and then what they know from the games is shattered by someone who claims something like this, while in fact contradicts what the original creator said.

[Sorry for the abuse of the word Contradiction]
=D

This question will be asked in one of the not so distant interviews with miyamoto anyway...Atleast i think it will happen. Then the fans should face reality or sigh from relieve

[wrixel]

I'd still like to believe that the time line made up is INDEED the actual timeline. Screw Nintendo.

[Etseix]

zelda .. mmm...
if i remember good, Zelda Dx for game boy color was a sequel for Zelda 2 i think, in this game, Link embarks on a journey to get the help of (dunno what, maybe the magic whale) so he can destroys the monster on the world FOR EVER!

Link *the hero of time* was named like that after Ocarina of time,
at the end of Ocarina of time Link loose his fairy and he goes to Lost Woods decided to find it/her, this is Majora's Mask beginning.
Then, Wind Waker takes place in a world where, while the *hero of time* (Link from OoT and M'm) was lost (because he was on Mm's world) Ganondorf revived and ruled the world by putting all Hyrule under seas.

SO, conclusion (phew*) Majora's Mask AND Wind Waker, happens almost at the same time this 3 games are the only ones that has *timeline* but thats it, different worlds and same story (except on Majora's)

[Persistantthug]

A cease and desist letter.

;)