Lens of Truth: Call of Juarez Comparison (720p)

Lens of Truth writes, "This week Lens of Truth sat down with the first person shooter Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood. If you're in the market to buy this game then you're gonna want to stick around for this one. The difference are drastically different, so stay tuned to find out which one should have stayed a piece of history!"

[LittleBigSackBoy]

here we go...

[leila01]

Why do they keep doing 720p comparisons when we all know the X360 upscales all games to 1080p? Actually the graphics are even sharper when you play on 1080p.
Too bad, most PS3 games are 720p only, which makes the "blur" effect even worse on 1080p HD TVs.

[Greywulf]

"Why do they keep doing 720p comparisons when we all know the X360 upscales all games to 1080p? Actually the graphics are even sharper when you play on 1080p.
Too bad, most PS3 games are 720p only, which makes the "blur" effect even worse on 1080p HD TVs. "

They use 720p because there aren't any recent of 360 titles that can actually render any field of 1080p natively.

Is full of fail.. for the simple fact that you don't even know what the "blur" effect is.. Or that upscaled 1080p is nonsense quality to begin with.I mean has Microsoft really convinced people that upscaling looks better than native resolutions?

No one that has a 1080p TV is excited about an upscaled image. I'm sorry. Nor is anyone with a 1080p looking to get high fidelity graphics from Call of Juarez, or any multiplatform game that looks ultimately worse than Gran Turismo 5 prologue, Killzone2, or Uncharted, Motorstorm2, MLB09 etc.

lets stop pretending multiplatform game comparissons are good for these discussions. The only thing they show is how far behind 3rd party developers are from Sony Developers.

I mean.. we all know you bought your console for games offered on other systems right??? lol

I agree with those below.. they should start throwing in the PC to the mix to see how gimped the console versions are. And in that way, fanboys will see that SHOCKINGLY the game is still enjoyable without an electron-fanboy microscope.

[leila01]

My point was that upscaling 720p to 1080p will still look better than just leaving the resolution at 720p. At least that's what I was told. You don't need to bite my head off for being ignorant;)

[talltony]

Man dont you guys get it? It has PC architecture meaning you do not have to relearn everything in order to develop for it. The PS3 is based on the cell which is completely new architecture that when devs take advantage of it in the exclusives, no game on 360 can compare! END OF STORY!
Multiplatform games dont do either system justice anyways.

[All Time Greatness]

This is an Epic win, this calls for something special.

http://www.greenpeace.org/r...

[kaveti6616]

The Cell is not a completely new architecture. The Cell Microprocessor was around in the 1980s and was replaced by the PowerPC core because the PowerPC core is more efficient and is general purpose while the Cell is suited to other things. So, no, the Cell is not new, and the only reason why PS3 exclusives look awesome is because the talented devs at sony have a lot of time at their disposal. Like 4 or 5 or even 6 years.

[stevenhiggster]

Don't you think these articles are a bit pointless now? We all know that 90%of multiplats look (slightly) better on 360, but thats still not gonna convince me to buy a 360!! If I owned both consoles then sure I probably would buy the 360 versions, as most owners of both consoles probably do.
But no PS3 or 360 fanboy is ever gonna sell up and go to the other side just because of some tiny differences that you could only ever notice by playing both side by side, which no normal person is ever going to do! So please LOT (and others) stop these pointless flambait comparisons, because that really is all they are.

[LittleBigSackBoy]

@ 1.7

2 years for uncharted 2 proves you wrong

[kaveti6616]

Uncharted 2 has been in development for only two years. That is correct. But it is largely being built on the existing Naughty Dog engine that was used for Uncharted 1. And from interviews it is clear that ND was working on the ND engine for quite a long time before Uncharted, so IDK what to tell you. You're right and wrong. I suppose Killzone 3 won't be in development for as long as Killzone 2 was.

[The Dude]

The 360 always wins multi-platform so glad I bought the 360 version :)

[talltony]

Dude it is new in the sense of programming games for it. and it is always easier to program for pc games or xbox 360 games cause that is what devs are used to. And no dont give me that talented dev crap. Motorstorm 1 to 2 took how long? Uncharted 1 to 2 took how long. So yes they are talented but if they just have the cell in mind, games will usually turn out better.

[kaveti6616]

I'm not giving you crap. I'm giving you facts. The Cell is not new. End of discussion. Don't give me your, "well, it's new in the sense that..." crap. I don't need to hear explanations from people who have no idea how processors work. The Cell will always be harder to program for. Each core of the Cell requires its own compiler. None of the cores work symmetrically with each other. If you change code in one PowerPC core of the 360, the other two will update automatically. In the Cell, everything has to be changed separately. It's tedious. That is why up until now no one has ever wanted to use the Cell microprocessor.

Sony only wanted to use the Cell because last generation the PS2 had such a large marketshare that Sony thought that third party developers this generation would abandon working on the 360 in order to spend a lot of time on the Cell, since Sony thought the PS3's marketshare would be as large as the PS2s.

The Cell is powerful, but its main use lies in physics computations. That's the reason why it doesn't do well to take the place of conventional CPUs.

Plus, the Naughty Dog Engine was developed over the course of many years and then Uncharted was developed on it. Uncharted 2 is built on the updated ND engine. And please don't mention Motorstorm. It's not the graphical masterpiece anyone makes it out to be.

It does indeed take many years to learn how to use the Cell, and even then it's still tedious to work with it. You can see why most third party developers have trouble with it. It's not so hard as it is unnecessarily complicated. Why spending so much time with the cell when you can work with conventional architecture and produce comparable products in half the time?

[talltony]

It is new for games end of story. And dont judge me I know more than you think, I am currently studying computers and electronics in college. You are giving me crap cause your excuse for why ps3 games look better is because the amount of time they take to come out and I just gave you two examples with motorstorm 1 to 2 and Uncharted 1 to 2. I am just saying the cell is new for games and that is it! End of story.

[nycredude]

Leila

Upscaling to 1080p will not always look better than native 720p! WHo ever told you that is retarded, and for you to believe it is just plain naive. Fact is upscaling is "faking" the picture image to look like the real thing and in many cases results in the source becoming blurry.

Not to mention that unless you have a tv 60 inches and above, or unless you sit 2 feet in front of your tv when playing games, the difference between 720p and 1080p is negligible.

So please next time before you call someone a nerd, know what it is you are talking about before you speak.

@Kave above

Your argument can be applied to any game. Anytime you develop your firs game on a new platform (therey creating a new engine) it will take time. How long do you think it took to creat U3 or Cryengine, or Frostbite? Fact is the only reason why it takes that long is because they are also creating the engine. Once the engine is created you can improve on it and pump out games. Do you think after they created uncharted 1 they just stop work on the engine and made Uncharted 2? They have made so many improvements it rediculous.

Stop trying to downplay the Ps3 games because at the same time you are making eexcuses for why games on the other platforms look good but not great.

[randomwiz]

if only they included pc version...

[Fishy Fingers]

Well I guess that would make the bickering over "minor" difference look pointless.

PC build looks stunning on a good rig (like mine :) )

[Pandamobile]

That wouldn't be a fair comparison.

[MEsoJD]

a western shooter like this on PC is a must.

Feels so damn good firing the revolvers in this game.

Just wish that there was more open world times like

where you go to the shop and look for jobs.

[stevenhiggster]

Knowing LOT, if they were to do a pc to consoles comparison then they'd use the crappest gaming rig they could so that their precious 360 would still come out the winner.

[velaxun]

you don't even need a good rig. e6600 at 2.4ghz 4gb ram and an 8800gt, it's all mid range and everything maxed at 1280x720 with some AA through nvidia control panel and it runs flawlessly. It's a gorgeous looking game

[Gamer_Politics]

we already knew that the 360 version looked better..

[commodore64]

@ gamer_politics

Yeah, we knew that.
In most cases it's a foregone conclusion that the ps3 multiplats will be somewhat gimped compared to the 360.

It has happened consistently since 2007.
In 2008, Developers were starting to lead development on the ps3 which was supposedly going to fix the inferior ps3 ports.

However, it is now 2009 and, even with ps3 leading development, ps3 muliplat-games are, eight (or nine) times out of ten, still trailing the 360.
Witness SF4,RE5,Gdfthr2, UFC2009, Hawx, xmen, Ghostbusters et al.

Call of J is just another to add to the list.

We mustn't presume it happens ALL the time, as the ps3 can match the 360 if developers spend significantly extra time and money on its complexities, but it does happen most times.
It also begs the question of whether this practice is good business for developers.

I find it a bit disappointing, when the ps3 version invariably ends up losing, many 'gamers' complain about the silly pixelcounting, but you know what, without these objective comparisons we'd have these same 'gamers' denying that there is any difference at all, when clearly there is!

It astounds me that even WITH these comparisons there are certain users who deny that this is happening at all and bend over backwards to dilute the outcome and find ways to discredit the obvious, even implying that eurogamer and LOT are biased, as if those sites, incredulously, somehow had vested interest in the outcome.

I for one, am glad that sites like these show us the truth about the multiplat games that we all spend significant amounts of money on.

Let's face it, multiplats make up the majority of our gaming catalogue and we should have access to information which allows us to buy the best version, with our hard-earned moolah.

[Sonyslave3]

nothing new

[RudeSole Devil]

And that's whats sad. The PS3 has been out for over 2yrs and the Xbox 360 has spanked the sh@#_IT out of the PS3 almost every time. PS3 = POS3!!

[DelusionalSonyDroid]

PS3 easily has the better blur textures, jag corners and unhigh defintion lighting. x360 loses again.

This looks so good on PS3 some might think its a PS2 game. PS3 is reaching new heights and becoming more and more like the legendary PS2 every day.

Poor M$ bots

[iHEARTboobs]

Didn't we already see this? I think i'll be skipping on both versions either way.

[vagisil]

i rented this last week for ps3, and although they're correct about the resolution differences, it doesn't really matter. the game is just ok. i think red dead redemption will be the better game anyway. multiplayer on juarez was fun, but still the game to me isn't worth 60 bucks on EITHER console.

[nycredude]

I am not reading the article as I think these types of article are nothing but flamebait. But I will say that having played the game (on Ps3 and xbox 360) that the graphics leave much to be desired on both consoles. However, the game is really fun with an excellent spaghetti western story so if you fancy yourself a little western action you can't go wrong. If you are really concerned with graphics then obviously the PC version is the one to get.

[iHEARTboobs]

I was waiting for a good western game but I might be waiting for Red Dead Redemption. Might rent this though.

[nycredude]

iheartboobs

I am going to get red dead redemption as well.

If you are not sure definitely rent Call of Juarez. It's a lot of fun and there is some replay value due to the two different characters. They both play differently also. I am really digging the story so far. The reviewer state you can beat this in 6-7 hours. I think only if you play on easy mode and run throught the game. Start it on hard mode and It's probably more closer to 8-10 hours. multiplayer is different and fun also.

Just don't go in expecting the graphics to be great, like some reviewers are saying. There is alot of popin and screen tear is prevalent and at times the textures are ps2 look but overall it's a very entertaining game.

Edit:

Anyone knows when Red Dead redemption will drop. I am planning on getting it but so far the videos I've seen looks pretty bad. I hope they polish it up.

[iHEARTboobs]

Cool, i'll try to rent this especially since i'm really wanting to play a cool wetern game.

[Hellsvacancy]

Ive got it on a rent (Ps3) the graphics r wot i expected the gameplays fun (not sure about the horseridin lol) i played a little online again its not amazin but its fun defo worth a rent (4 consoles anyway)

But i WILL b buyin Red Dead Redemption

[pangitkqb]

on the respective capabilities of each console, I do see them as 1) an indicator of which version is best in regards to consumer spending, and 2) the capability of the developer (while keeping in mind both dev time and budget).

[edhe]

The capabilities of the console are irrelevant compared to what's wrung out of it by the developers.

So your first point is moot, the later ones the ones that count anyway.

Doesn't matter how fancy your kitchen is if you can't bloody cook.

[mastiffchild]

Fact of the matter is this was Techlands firs effort on the PS3. I'd heard previously that it was pants on Sony's console(gfx wise anyway) so rented it for 360. All I can say is if that's the better version then they REALLY messed up the PS3 dev and would have been better sacking the whole thing and throwing their efforts into getting the 360 one optimised.

At times the tearing is very bad(I usually claim screen tear is way overstated but this was, on my set up ay least(720P 42" LG plassy)really bad)and there are other very noticeable issues with the likes of slowdown and vastly uneven textures-for a 360 game even the AA isn't that good. Enjoyed the last Juarez but this one is severely let down by tech issues, slightly awkward gameplay(some guns felt really tinny to use)and, typically these days, a hokum story.

Pulling it apart in a console comparison has just made me wonder exactly how bad these guys have done on the PS3(it must have terrfied them!)as the 360 version was a bit of a let down for me-and I was looking forwards to a western as well-whatever platform I'd save my cash for RDR. We have lots of high quality games on every playform and , sadly, COJ doesn't stack up to other multiplats let alone the exclusives for PS360, imo.

There's a good sense of fun here and definitely a good game waiting to be let out but Techland, for this gamer, missed the bus on this one-I'm pleased I only rented it and would advise doing the same, waiting for RDR or, if you really want it badly, just waiting for a pre owned or the price to fall-which it will, imo, pretty soon. Firs game I've played in quite a while where the problems onscreen really affected my enjoyment of it.

[ArthurLee]

I was waiting for this head 2 head. Thanks LoT, I’ll be getting this on the 360.

[madkrazygames]

Come on, be honest with yourself, you only have a 360. You never was going to purchase this game for anything else. Instead promoting flamebait articles like this you should want to end it.

[Gitaroo]

I think its the first PS3 game has has ambient occlusion in it. Unless you count Uncharted 2 beta.... think they probably cant get it to run in a good enough performance out.

[edhe]

Can you actually see the effect through all that pixellation? ;)

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

'KILLZONE 2' WINS!!! ;-P (AGAIN)

Lens of Truth??? Those bunch of...

[Shadow Man]

Your precious killzone2 is being given away for free all around the world. because nobody bough it.

From this point on killzone2 sales don't count.

[Gamer_Politics]

yes Flopzone has won its way into bein freeware with every new ps3 brought...

[DelbertGrady]

Dedicated to Ken Kutaragis mother.

[The Master Chief]

lol Go read a thread that that was just made in the Forums about 2-3 days ago....it was a PS3 fanboy saying how he didnt like Killzone 2 and thought it was boring, ever PS3 fanboy in there was saying it sucked, didnt live up to the hype and they were bored with it.

Has Killzone 2 even sold 2 million copies yet?

[AngryTypingGuy]

"Killzone wins" -- So how long are you going to play Killzone, Ken? Quit relying on your Killzone crutch. You have to admit, the PS3 really took one up the poop shoot in this one.

MS sent out new kits to developers, and in time, we will see even more impressive looking 360 exclusives.

[Shadow Man]

Xbox360 wins.

*waits for Droid to pull the Killzone2 is better card*

[SuperStrokey1123]

This is pretty drastic the differences. Usually the game is fairly close but this is way way different.

That being said this isnt exactly a pretty game to begin with either so why is there any differences?

[Gitaroo]

http://zoome.jp/ps360/diary...

wow, the game runs around 20 fps most of the time and 50% screen tearing. I think the game need a few more months of polish..... Wonder what the PS3 version is like....

[DelbertGrady]

<--- Get it? Got it? Good.

[VanHalen]

Bunk, im playing it on PS3 and it doesnt look blurry like that at all. I love how these guys tweak the settings to make the PS3 version look blurry like that, lol. Hilarious! Looks sharp and crisp here, awesome graphics. The game rocks by the way and is more enjoyable than COD or MOH!

[edhe]

OK SURE! Let's see your HDMI source capture to HDMI source capture comparison then!

[DMason]

You seem a bit confused. I'm pretty sure no one is going to believe your petty comment. Lens of Truth has always been an unbiased comparison site.

But then again, your love for the PS3 didn't have any effect on your comment, right?

[ThaGeNeCySt]

well regardless, i'm having a blast with bound in blood..

[YogiBear]

I own it for PS3. Quite a fun game.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

360 = 394
to
PS3 = 3

The PS3 just likes last place

[The Master Chief]

best Exclusives haha

You got Uncharted, Ratchet and MAG...3 games no one cares about.

We've got ODST, Splinter Cell, L4D2 and Forza 3.

Keep dreaming. lmao

and in 2010 you're really gonna get creamed

[stevenhiggster]

Yeah, you got 4 games no one cares about!

[Atomic]

Average game , average graphics , don't care.

[The Master Chief]

You will always say that because PS3 always loses.

[Mr Marbles]

we've heard that before too, in fact that is all you hacks ever say. You actually nailed stereotypical PS3 fanboy dead on in one sentence.
You got RROD and Killzone2 all in one comment LOL!

Put the Killzone development team on 360 and give them all the time in the world, gobs of support from MS, and financial backing to build an engine from the ground up custom made for 360, and I bet they could make Killzone 2 on 360 look even better than it does on PS3. You see there is no reason not to believe that since PS3 can't run even the lowliest of multiplatforms as well as 360. The burden of proof is on Sony, cause as it stands now, it appears 360 is the more powerful system.

[Atomic]

"I bet they could make Killzone 2 on 360 look even better than it does on PS3"

hypothetical rhetoric , that's all you 360 fanboys can come up with.

in the real world, that still has to be proven, until then ,keep swimming in your own delusion.

[YogiBear]

Don't you have an appointment to get tea bagged in Halo or something?

[the new king 74]

that's why they should let ps3 be the lead. ps3 ram constraints and lack of 2xaa compared to 360's hurt them on multiplatform titles

[leila01]

So it's fine when The PS3 holds back the X360... hmmm

[Fishy Fingers]

"So it's fine when The PS3 holds back the X360"

What a load of rubbish. I guess the consoles hold back the PC then? To get the most out of a specific piece of hardware the engine needs to be built to cater specifically to that hardware. Multiplatform games (generally) run on an engine designed to function across the board. They try and get a happy medium, neither system holds back another in these cases. You simply get what you get and moaning doesnt change that.

[edhe]

Urm.. what wierdo bubble do you live in where console code doesn't hold back pc versions? Gta4 is a nice example - it's totally b0rked on pc.

The ps3 *is* holding back the 360. Companies are having to put far more effort into the ps3 and will spend much less polishing time on the 360 than they could if they didn't have to do that port.

Soul Calibur 4: 960p buffer on the 360 compared to 720p on ps3. I even heard that sony asked them to downscale the 360 version so they didn't have a bulletpoint over the ps3 version, feature parity and all that jazz.

[Mr Marbles]

on PS3 and gimp the game so that PS3 can handle it, and we get crappy graphics on both consoles? Why should they do that?

[MaximusPrime]

Another fps... Not even interested in the game.

However if they make western game abit like assasins creed style i would try it.

[badbond1]

I buy PS3 EXCLUSIVES first! I always take the time to evaluate quality in games! If developers are to lazy to tap into PS3, I will not buy it, plain and simple. PS3 EXCLUSIVES are superior to any and every Crapbox game anyway. Peace.

[Gamer_Politics]

Hmm...if ps3 exclusives are so good then how come no 1's buying them?

[madkrazygames]

@lelia01

LMAO, when the hell do the PS3 hold back the 360? That has to be the funniest thing I've heard on N4G. You should think before you post dumb sh!t like that. LMAO

[kaveti6616]

Both consoles hold each other back when a game is multiplatform. If the game was only on 360 or only on PS3, it's highly likely that the developers would have more time to spend on making the game better visually. So, I would have to say that both consoles hold back the production of a multiplatform game.

[bjornbear]

Both consoles hold eachother back, it just depends in what way. A game that would gain from a lot of content would be held back by a 360, whereas a game with an effecient PC-like structure would be held back by PS3 due to all time necessary to litereally REVAMP the whole thing

No console is better than the other, and as i've seen comparing some of my multi-plats w my friends' on his xbox, the multiplats are no different either (save say, loading times = this is a true factor)

So all of you get over your ego's, no console is BETTER than the other as of now (in 5 years time it'll be a different story) so just shut up, play games and cease futile fanboyism, you sound like kids arguing over who's toy is "cooler" -_- *sigh*

[Namikaze_Minato]

Another day, another 360 victory...

[badbond1]

and I still can't find any good crapbox 360 exclusives....hmmm?!

[Gamer_Politics]

i thought good exclusives bring along sales?i dont even see any of those ps3 titles on the charts anymore...so really how good can they be if no ones even paying for them Lols flopzone is already bein gave away for free

[badbond1]

PS3 EXCLUSIVES are like fine wine, every d*ck,tom and harry isn't going to buy it mostly because of ignorance. Plenty of dumbazzes with crapboxes that can't afford a PS3 and they can keep their crapboxes and get burn discs for free. See Sony makes money and microsoft loses money with people being able to copy their OS platform and games. Why pay for a durable product at a higher price when you can get an inferior lower priced product and burn games for free without paying 60.00.

See, you are part of the problem bots, not the solution. Real gamers play real games. When you are able to experience MGS4, LBP, Killzone 2, and inFamous, Heavenly Sword, GOWIII, Uncharted 1 & 2, holla at me!

[Gamer_Politics]

Lols thats even worse 360 titles still outsale ps3 games even with piracy thats ashame....and for the record sony loses money on every one of those blu-ray players along with those exclusives that no 1 is buying,,

[Gamer_Politics]

i cant afford one?already have that blu-ray player and i'll add you on psn just to prove....and free games?i buy all my stuff from the store because i like to help support the best HD console on the market xbox 360....Lols how many ps3 games are on the charts?

@Below

just accept that ps3 will remain in last place

[madkrazygames]

@FishyFingers

I agree with you 10,000%. For some strange reason these gamers nowadays have to hear that one system is better than the other. I don't understand it, I don't think I ever will. The guys at LoT don't give two sh!ts about what game you purchase your multi-platform title on. They do these comparisons to get traffic on their site, plain and simple. Why should anybody believe their comparisons, over anybody else's? But hey, I guess this is how they got to eat in this recession, so more power to them.

[badbond1]

People like you can't afford it that's why. Since when does sales indicate an excellent product?Good things like PS3 exclusives are for elitists like myself, and crapboxes are for peasants that like to get free games. Rembember, xbox 360 games DO NOT OUTSELL Wii games, so stop with sales!

And one other thing G P - I own a blu ray player and get better quality movies and games than you. HD-DVD, oh, that no longer exists! Sony is making me quite happy, now run along and let me play my superior excl. games to your non-exclusive games that you feel so proud about.

When the crapbox 360 shows me that the version of FFXIII is better, then I'll listen!

[Chunkstyle]

when they compared The Forced Unleashed.

They actually had a comparison segment where they claimed that the PS3 version lacked Tie-Fighters by showing a picture of Vader staring at a ship with the 360 version sporting multiple Tie-Fighters with a shot of the PS3 version with Vader staring at a ship with the Ties absent. I immediately loaded up my PS3 version, went to the area and guess what? The Tie-Fighters supposedly missing from the PS3 version flew into view!

That and the fuzzy-looking textures looked nothing like those on my "magic" LCD where the textures looked much sharper.

Granted, there are 360 games that have the edge, but not nearly at the level this "truth" site would have you believe.

[dragonyght]

that wat happen when compare third rate game don't the point

[DMason]

Huh?

[FragMnTagM]

English much?

[TheMART]

Damn, that Piece of Overpriced Shiat 3 does it again. 99% of all mutliplatform games run best on the 360 and the PS3 version stinks!

[xg-ei8ht]

Haven't played the game.

The 360 shots look better.

On another note, i've seen so many comparisons and what not and when i've actually played the game on my TV, the blur,etc doesn't even look like the screenshots. I find it strange and it happens quite often.

Even GTA4 on PS3 on my TV looks crystal clear, I think it more depends on the settings of your tv.

But i still say some of the ports of the PS3 are pretty poor even today.

sad really.

R.I.P MJ

[bjornbear]

As we all know, you have to fine tune your PS3 to your TV, and depending on the TV, it'll get a lesser or greater result.

One of these tweaks are RGB Full Range and Super White options on the PS3 graphics options that sharpen the textures and image of every game. I don't know WHY they have this as an option (maybe it heats up more? )

However, i have a big funny feeling LoT don't have these two options on, especially because, I do, and the multiplats on my tv have no bluryness or any of tht muddy stuff. They only truth they mention is about loading times basically...in which PS3 does tend to suck a bit at due to the blu-ray reading, thats no denying.

Graphically though? nothing like what i see, so i basically know what to expect from these guys every time and it doesn't bother me because the results they achieve aren't what I get at home =) so it doesn't actually affect me =O

Still like i said below...if you're going to do smt so "controversial" do it right...

[LostDjinn]

To "Bends the Truth."
My god this site likes to stir up trouble.

[Tempjf]

Your such a child! How do they "stir up trouble" when they are just pointing out differences in each version. Unlike you I own both systems and it's good to know which one is better, besides Eurogamer gave a similar comparison but I guess their trouble makers too.

[LostDjinn]

I'm such a child?
Tempjf how do you know what systems I have?
You've just made an accusation based on nothing more than your own hurt feelings.
Such an outburst is called a tantrum.
Seem pretty childish to me.

[DMason]

@LostDjinn

Yeah, but it derives from the fact that you didn't answer the question. How do they stir up trouble? This is the third comparison I've seen with the same results. Or is this just something you made up in your head?

[LostDjinn]

The 360 is cropped top and bottom. Every time I see one of these "articles" I find a flaw in their method that people just choose to ignore.
Now I for one am not saying that the PS3 has the best multi-plats every time as I've played many games on both and to start with the 360 was head and shoulders over the PS3. Now however they're so damn close you need magnification to spot a difference.
To claim I'm taking this stand point because of console affiliation is stupid. I own both (and a Wii but it's currently not plugged in). I enjoy both and I don't see how stirring up fans prone to overstatement in order to garner traffic by bending the truth is good for games.

[jaidek]

Maybe you should do more research before calling out their methods. It has been confirmed many times that the Xbox 360 version has slight letterboxing. No flaw here....move on.

Here is proof from Beyond3D:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

[CaptainKratos]

disgusting.oh well, i'' still want to get it.(rent it)

[digger18]

Why do the PS3 graphics always look blurry in Lens of truth screen shots?

They never look like that on my PS3 with HDMI.

I've got Call of Juarez and it looks nothing like those shots, its pin sharp.

Something is real fishy here.

[DelbertGrady]

Call of Juarez looks 10 times better than Crysis on highest settings on my 360.

Perhaps it's magic, just like your PS3 ;)

Or maybe you are right. It actually looks good on the PS3. Until you put it side to side with the 360 version lol!

[digger18]

Talking rubbish as usual Soda?

Because they can't capture through HDMI, they have to use component, which generally look blurry on the PS3 (crap really).

Here is two screen shots, one with HDMI and the other component.

Component:
http://i63.photobucket.com/...

HDMI:
http://i63.photobucket.com/...

[bligmerk]

First off, component output is analog. HDMI is digital. The video output from the PS3 comes straight out of the RSX and component *ALWAYS* looks softer and worse unless the developer uses their own software scaling and AA. Simply, the PS3 looks best going out to HDMI. The 360 output comes out of the Agnus which has hardware scaling and AA, so the component out is always going to look a little sharper.

Their *EXCUSE* is the PS3 HDMI is HDCP enabled so their Black Magic Intensity HDMI capture can't be used and they have to use the component capture. This is male cow feces at its worst. They could get a HDCP remover and capture HDMI, they full well know it but they are going about it the way they are to get site hits. If they don't know this, then they should stop making this pompous claim to be "part of the industry" because it would mean real game developers are technical boobs.

Finally, why is this *HEAD2HEAD* only between the PS3 and 360? These are *MULTI-PLATFORM* titles, so why don't they show PC captures with all textures, lights and effects set on high with a 1920 by 1200 screen resolution? These bozos are bogus and they should change their name to LensofLies.

[leila01]

My I.Q just dropped 15% from attempting to read your crap.

[jaidek]

First off, they are capturing in HDMI for Call of Juarez. So there goes that theory. And secondly, it isn't fair to compare consoles to PC. A PC is scalable in terms of hardware whereas a console isn't. If I took this game and played it on all the machines in our lab the results would be different on each system. So which one should be the benchmark?

[bligmerk]

WRONG! They posted their capture setup and explained why they "have to" capture 720p component, which total BS on their part.
http://www.lensoftruth.com/...

They are not doing a valid comparison. The PS3 output looks best as a digital signal over HDMI, that is what a lot of people are saying in these messages and they don't understand why Lens of Lies captures are always so blurry. Re-read what I posted above until it sinks into your understanding.

[jaidek]

Wow....wrong again. That flowchart shows their component capture process, which was part of the Ghostbusters Allegations post. They have recently switched to HDMI and Call of Juarez is the second capture to use it. You can find the new flowchart on their "About Us" section.

[Stryfeno2]

Damn, I couldn't even make out what I was seeing on the PS3 version. Lol. On the PS3 its more like Call of Poo: Bound in Third.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

HAHA Bound in Third

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

This is so one sided it's starting to get old

[Ninjamonkey82]

My pc version f**ks both these versions out of the water tbh.

[LCF]

I have to agree with you. After the Ghostbusters fiasco, I dont trust these guys. They compared those lights near the kitchen and showed that they were missing in the PS3 version and low and behold my retail copy had those lights. As for the textures it may of been bad though component cables, however though HDMI it's not as bad as they make it out to be. The PS3 was designed for HDMI 1.3a out of the box. It comes with component. But its meant for True HD signals that component can't offer. Why you think Microsoft went HDMI? Hell 1080p was not even available for sometime with the X360. Even though its an outdated ver. It still can carry a higher bandwith tho I believe this is gear more toward the DD video playback. DVD9 is native 480i and can push it with various codex but max you get is 720.

Textures/audio are compressed to hell with DVD. Games are just going to get bigger too. I'm sorry but DVD will hold back advanced gaming. This is not a problem with PC because you can load multiple disks on a hard drive to make a complete game. You already seeing it with multi-disk games. To this day I still cant get over Forza 3 being 2 disks.

You cant use multiplat games to show a consoles power. That is what exclusives are for. Some developers are still learning parallel processing. This was so true with the 1st and some 2nd gen ports, everything was dumped on the RSX. The Cell is designed to take majority of the rendering. Thats what its designed to do. The PS3/Cell+RSX/Parallel processing is still a new concept and some programmers ARE getting a handle on the architecture (Sony 1st and 2nd party mainly) Give it a few more years and you will see even more stunning 1st and 2nd party games for the PS3. If the PS2 taught us anything is that video games will age like fine wine, compare 1st-2nd gen games to 6-9th gen games on the PS2. They look like they were made on 2 different consoles. Give it time, this will happen with the PS3.

Gamers should not be so angry, I blame the internet for that.

[jaidek]

....sigh....

The Ghostbusters thing again. It amazes me how uninformed some users are on this site. Lens of Truth's findings were confirmed by Eurogamer/Digital Foundry, Beyond3D, Kotaku, Joystiq, Ars Technica and to some extent even the developers.

Time to move on...

[LCF]

You need to learn to understand what you read. I have the game, I played it and those statements by lensof...well I dont trust them anymore. Who I trust and don't is not up to you. You sir are just not understanding what I posted.

[TheDeadMetalhead]

Then how could this be possible?

http://www.metacritic.com/g...
http://www.metacritic.com/g...

Unless you're going to play Count the Pixels, then this is just pointless flamebait. If you didn't know which version you were looking at, I bet you couldn't even tell teh difference. The article even says that the versions control and perform equally, and that's way more important than a few extra textures.

"The difference are drastically different"

Bullshit

[bjornbear]

This site doesn't use those two settings for some legal reason, and if any of you have a PS3 and have those options and switch them on, u'll notice a difference

These comparisons to me mean nothing either way but, I think if they are going to do something like this, at least do it right

*sigh* -_- bah. wtv fuels a fanboy is inversely proportional to what fuels a gamer....

[Pootangpie]

and they only work with HDTV's they add absoultly no improvement to the visuals other then to make the textures and color a little bit sharper I love when you sony fanboys try to use that excuse it shows the world your ignorance

[digger18]

Pootangie, your totally wrong.

Here is two screen shots. One with RGB turn on through HDMI, the other with RGB off and through component.

HDMI:
http://i63.photobucket.com/...

Component:
http://i63.photobucket.com/...

look how much sharper it is on HDMI.

[Pootangpie]

I don't know how they look on consoles but I'm guessing the PS3 version is just Piss poor and don't try to bring up the whole developers are lazy BS 3rd party developers had plenty of time to work with the PS3 3 years to be exact obviously it's not the developers it's the hardware

[Pootangpie]

keep failing just because sony says so doesn't mean there right