Ghostbusters On PS3 Lags Behind 360: Dev Explains

Richard Leadbetter – Director of HD consultancy Digital Foundry and author of Eurogamer's multiplatform comparison Face-off features – tweeted that playing Ghostbusters on the PS3 was like "time-warping back to the dawn of PS3 development." Ouch! That's especially painful to read considering the high hopes Terminal Reality – developers of the just-released Ghostbusters game – have for their multiplatform Infernal Engine.

Instead of leaving it up to internet Matlocks, Joystiq asked Terminal Reality to comment on the controversy. A spokesperson for the developer told them, "For the record, the PS3 version [of Ghostbusters] is softer due to the 'quincunx' antialiasing filter and the fact we render at about 75% the resolution of the 360 version. So you cannot directly compare a screen shot of one to the other unless you scale them properly. The PS3 does have less available RAM than the 360 – but we managed to squeeze 3 out of 4 textures as full size on the PS3." So: is the PS3 "maxed out"?

[JustinSaneV2]

Isn't this just a rehash of
http://n4g.com/ps3/News-347...
http://n4g.com/ps3/News-347...
etc.?

[Forrest Gump]

It is,but the American 'press' are still butthurt that Sony made this an exclusive in Europe,hence the reason why they're wasting their time trying to convince people to buy the 360 version.

Also,notice the "So: is the PS3 "maxed out"? " comment.This is a result of Electronics Arts and NOT a Sony affiliated company stating the Xbox 360 is maxed out.Y'see,these children that are posing as games journalists are the problem.

[Silellak]

Basically, yes. But, the N4G Fanboy Wars must continue, and Ghostbusters is the latest battleground for this epic conflict.

Because, as we all know, the superiority of one multiplatform game on either console can single-handidly turn the tide of the entire console war.

[Darkeyes]

So now the dev complain about the lack of RAM huh? Frankly, after seeing those GT trailer comparison, I hardly found any difference between both except that the PS3 version was lighter and 360 was darker... nothing that cannot be handled by just tweaking the brightness and contrast of the TV. One seriously has to strain his eyes to spot the difference. But the 360 fanboys won't stop beating the dead horse. For them all multi-plat look way better on the 360... The difference is striking I tell ya... like between PS2 and Xbox... blah blah blah. People should seriously stop living in 2007. If one shows 2 shots of games like RE5, COD:WAW, UFC,RFG,Prototype and tells to spot the superior one, then one can hardly point out any difference between them.

And the main irony here is that the game isn't even that good looking. I mean even recent games like Infamous are much better looking. And that 'PS3 is maxed out...' LMAO. They say it after seeing a few videos of a crap looking game,again LMAO... Uncharted 2 says HI.

Just play the darn game. If you have Aliasing issues, just reduce the sharpness of the TV, if you feel the 360 has a darker looking version, just decrease the brightness. Trust me tweaking the TV can make a game a hell lot beautiful. Just stop whining over a few boxes not present in one version or the fire effect not as good as the other version. The devs are humans not Gods, some difference is bound to happen.

Ghostbuster might be one of those exception, but seriously, recent multi-plats are so identical, that I don't know why people even compare them.

[el zorro]

There is a sizable gap in graphical fidelity between the PS3 and 360 versions. The 360 verions runs at a higher resolution, higher quality textures, less screen tearing, is sharper, has higher quality anti-aliasing (quincunx sucks) and has less glitches according sources that have compared both versions.

360: http://img20.imageshack.us/...

PS3: http://img193.imageshack.us...

When you can see differences like those in a screenshot, I tell you, those differences are going to be greatly magnified when you play it on a large HDTV.

Here is the ars technica article: http://arstechnica.com/gami...

Here is what Grandmaster at beyond3D had to say about Ghostbusters on PS3:
"There is nothing wrong with MazingerDUDE's analysis of Ghostbusters. I mean, the difference is night and day and I have retail code for both. It's the worst cross-platform development I think I've seen in ages... like time-warping back to 2006."

Now here we have the developers themselves admitting that the game is softer and has 3/4 the texture quality of the 360 version.

Are you guys really going to go on pretending that the two versions are basically the same?

[evildeli]

It's about time Terminal Reality says something. Too bad it looks like back peddling. I'd like to see what Sony has to say about how they couldn't make Ghostbusters look the same across the platforms. And you can't say it can't be done. Ask EA and Fight night. They can show you how to make a game look the same.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

Well this is an official admittance that the PS3 version runs at 3/4s the size of texture quality. Because you are using fanboy goggles and can't see the difference doesn't mean others can't.

It is kind of sad to see such sub par work when clearly other developers have been able to do better on the PS3. Even more damning is Mark Randel's of Terminal Reality's quote:

"We're one of the few developers who love the PS3 and have a great time with it. We have great technology for the PS3 and we want to show it off."

Show it off they did alright!

Personally, I would not buy the game as a sign that I don't support shoddy work. In Terminal Reality's defense though, the PS3 is harder to program for than the 360.

[0verdrive]

the quote from the article is pretty ridiculous

firstly, they said that the reason the ps3 version looks worse is because it has less ram. LESS RAM? wtf are they talking about?! just because the ram is separated does not mean that it has LESS ram. ridiculous. and they are proud of being able to fit 3/4 the textures on the ps3 version? lol, it really goes to show how the (lazy) porting process works. if they actually went to the trouble of using BOTH of the 256mb sticks of ram, rather than just using one, the game would probably look exactly the same on both. but they went ahead of gave us a shloppy port.

secondly, who the hell cares? why is everyone raising a stink about this? in motion the games look too similar to tell. look at the freaking video! they had to zoom in like 3x just to show you the texture work. even if there was a sizable difference who the hell is going to run the games side by side other than these fcking stupid comparison sites? wtf is everyone whining about. jesus. most of these fanboys arent even going to get the game for either system.

and correct me if im wrong, but dont you get a freaking movie with the ps3 purchase? jesus. is the difference THAT bad that its worth missing out on a free movie? especially since its pretty much gonna be ghostbuster fans buying the game anyways.

stop cutting your damn wrists, fanboys! shiit!

[INehalemEXI]

EA used to have the same problems though before they got there sh!t together on PS3 development, I think it was a Madden game that had similar issues.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007...

see what I mean? Devs are not going to get it down there first crack at it with out help.

[gamesR4fun]

"A spokesperson for the developer told us,"

jus joystick makin noise...

[Genesis5]

Is the PS3 maxed out? No this developer simply doesn't know how to code for it. Guess they should of ask for some help. If they are running into memory problems they are not using the SPU's properly.

[beavis4play]

ratchet: TOD - 360 has no animated game that looks as good.
KZ2: 360 has no FPS that looks as good.
MGS4: 360 has nothing that looks as good.
uncharted: 360 has nothing that looks as good.

then there is UC2, GOW3, heavy rain, ratchet:aCiT,the last guardian........ come on man, i don't think you're looking at the games.

a disagree with no response? that's laughable.

[CWMR]

"ratchet: TOD - 360 has no animated game that looks as good.
KZ2: 360 has no FPS that looks as good.
MGS4: 360 has nothing that looks as good.
uncharted: 360 has nothing that looks as good.

then there is UC2, GOW3, heavy rain, ratchet:aCiT........ come on man, i don't think you're looking at the games. "

-Ratchet TOD doesn't look anything special, lot's of games look that good on the 360, including good ole Banjo & Kazooie. You can argue about which game is better overall but B&K is every bit as beautiful as R&C TOD.

No first person shooter on 360 might look as good as KZ2, but Gears of War 2 looks just as good.

MGS4 is nothing special, even Assassin's Creed looks better than it. Konami said Metal Gear Solid Rising is going to look better anyway.

Gears 2 looks as good as Uncharted.

Good looking games can obviously be created on the PS3, but come on, those are just a few games.-

[Real Gambler]

When you're a spokeperson for a company, you usually have a name!

We also know the "spokeperson" doesn't know anything about programming because he would have said "the PS3 and the 360 have the same amount of memory, but the memory handling on the 360 is better for extra textures and we didn't want to tweak our engine for the PS3. It was easier to drop textures"

Now, looks like maybe the "spokeperson" was the janitor?

[BlackTar187]

and just want to play a game sometimes. the difference your ref are there i wont denie it but you cannot tell in game well not on my big 47' sharp aquos you cant but let me guess you can its pathtic your in eveyone of these threads and in reality if you play the game and not use nonsense you cant notice the difference your sad man real sad.

Now people syaing there is no differnce are just as sad as you are because there is its noticeable when yuo play a game by screenshots like this but not when in full motion. But ill tell you i almost stopped shooting this ghost becasuse i saw some blur on the wall and i said oh no i got ripped off its no longer fuin any more ; ( /sarcasm

[BWS1982]

discussion (flame war?) if this was 2006 or 2007...it's not, so there's really no reason such discrepancies should arise on multiplat's....the industry's moved beyond such issues, for the most part. This should be an obsolete concept, but apparently it's not.

[mynd]

@0verdrive : They arent talking about total ram, they are referring to Vram.
As for the sub 720p resolution, thats due to bandwidth limitaitons within the XDR<->Vram. PS3 has always has these limitattons, most 1st party developers "work around" them, a lot of multiplatform games "dumb down" texture requiremtns on the 360 these days to account for the difference. Good on TR for at least not dumbing down the textures on the 360 version so they matched the PS3 version.

[gaffyh]

@1.12 - It's obvious you don't own a PS3. I own a PS3 and 360 and I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that in every case of your argument, you are wrong.

Banjo looks nowhere near as good as Ratchet & Clank. Texture quality, models, voice acting (which is none existent pretty much in Banjo), and gameplay is much much better in Ratchet & Clank.

Gears of War 2 looks good, textures and bump-mapping effects help this, but imo it sometimes looks over-sharpened. Killzone 2 however STILL looks better than Gears, something to do with the atmosphere and lighting, it is fantastic.

MGS4 looks a lot better than Assassin's Creed, the only reason you'd say it doesn't is if you haven't actually played both games. Assassin's creed looks good, but character models are much much better in MGS4.

It's obvious you are a fanboy, I could deconstruct every argument you made, like why did you bring up MGS: Rising? How does that help your argument in anyway? The game is coming out late 2010/2011 at the earliest so it SHOULD look better than MGS4, and it's multiplatform game.

How stupid can fanboys honestly be?

On topic - This is always the case with ported multiplats, PS3s RAM is separated and therefore a direct port always affects texture quality on PS3. Infinity Ward do it right, build the game from the ground up on both systems. Or if you want a pretty much equal looking game, start on PS3 and port to 360.

[CWMR]

@gaffyg

-And I tell you that I do own both consoles. I have gone back and forth on these games lots of times and that is how I see things. I don't see how you think what you do if you really are an owner of both consoles.

Ratchet TOD doesn't look anything special, lot's of games look that good on the 360, including good ole Banjo & Kazooie. You can argue about which game is better overall but B&K is every bit as beautiful as R&C TOD. Textures, color saturation, sharpness all look at least as good in B&K as in R&C, and let's not forget that B&K has a real-time lighting engine whereas R&C does not.

*No first person shooter on 360 might look as good as KZ2, but Gears of War 2 looks just as good. The textures in KZ2 are generally quite inferior to those in Gears 2. Gears 2 also looks sharper and clearer and generally has a better frame rate. I don't like the blurry image quality of KZ2. THe lighting in KZ2 is generally pretty good but character shadows are low resolution and kind of blocky looking. Lots of light sources and shadows in KZ2 environments are pre-baked, i.e. not actual dyanmic shadows. Anyway that is some of the technical stuff, but what it comes down to is that when I am playing KZ2 I am not thinking oh this looks better than Gears 2. I have played them back to back and although they are very different looking games I think they are equally graphically amazing.

MGS4 is nothing special, even Assassin's Creed looks better than it. Flip back and forth between the two games and you will see what I mean. AC looks more detailed, sharper (full 720P vs 1024 x 768), equally good lighting, better animations and much larger environments.

Konami said Metal Gear Solid Rising is going to look better anyway. I point this out because what's the point of saying "na, na, na, the 360 can't do MGS4" when MGSR on 360 is going to look better.

Gears 2 looks as good as Uncharted. Better textures, less screen tearing, slightly sharper picture quality (but Uncharted is probably one of the sharpest looking PS3 games I have ever seen), all in all I just think they look about the same.

[INehalemEXI]

the ps3's XDR RAM operates @ 3.2GHZ vs the 360's unified DDR @ 700MHZ.... the VRAM operates at 700MHZ same as the 360's.

if anything its a lot faster and it surely is. You just can't use it in the same way as a PC or 360 to get its full potential since the RAM is not unified. The PS3's RAM resources are built to enhance the cells operation while leaving the RSX a bit hungry and so if your games not taking advantage of the cell its going to show.

[nbsmatambo]

if i was head of gaming @ Sony, i would just commit 1 of the best 1st party studios to make this game....case closed..no worries about quality cuz all of the 1st party nd 2nd party studios produce amazing games =)

[Bathyj]

The thought of Ghostbusters Maxing out PS3 is just too funny.

I'm starting to think they did this on purpose.

"Contraversy creates cash."

[Ju]

Dev: "Hey, we got only 256MB vmem. How do we get the textures in there ?". Artist: "Ah, just let me scale it down". Done. Game gets released. Some "port" still work that way it seams. LOL.

I thought they wrote their own engine ? Pity, its at 2006 level. Maybe next time, if they survive.

[lordgodalming]

@1.0: Totally a rehash. But N4G will never get out from under this bridge as long as the Troll Wars continue.

And anyway I'm suspicious. I have no trouble believing the game looks better on 360. No problem. However, the PS3 screenshot they used looks worse than the game runs on my SDTV. How is that possible?

[JokesOnYou]

I own both and I have a 50" Sony hdtv, but I never understand why ps3 folks think ps3 games are "unmatched" when it comes to graphics, I own KZ2 and Gears2 and I said before that KZ2 has better graphics because YES it does but honestly its only a slight edge and as I said before in some areas like textures, Gears2 is still better. Truth is I think many sony folks are still living off sony's pre-launch hype about how powerful ps3 is, but the reality is although there are some great looking ps3 games, there isn't much difference between Gears2 and KZ2(a game that cost a fortune and took forever to make) that leads any normal gamer to believe that the ps3 has anything more than a percieved edge on paper, Dave Shippy(IBM) and countless other devs NOT affiliated with sony have said they are very close, and each has some strengths and weaknesses when it comes to game development= but sony extremists will never believe that because it hurts their ego. Yeah Banjo Nuts & Bolts looks every bit as good as Ratchet TOD however I think Ratchet TOD was much better game, personally Rare pissed me off with the direction of Banjo, luckily I didn't buy Banjo cause from the little I did play I didn't like at all.

JOY

[Lifendz]

Looks good to me. If some dev's engine doesn't run well on PS3 maybe that's a knock on their engine and not the system. Sorry but as long as Killzone 2, MGS4, and Uncharted 2, God of War III, GT5, the last guardian, etc are done on PS3 I can't help but believe that the system isn't "maxed out."

[MRMagoo123]

I like how the most rabid 360 fans always seem to own ps3s as well funny that cos you guys talk about how much sony but raped you and you hate them but then have there products in ur house with your first love 360 i highly doubt you guys have ever seen a ps3 besides in a store next to a dead 360 why pretend everyone can see your comment history we know you dont own one.I can pretend i own a 360 too if i want but i wont because basically i dont want one cos there sh!t.OT who could care less how a movie tie in game looks at all is anyone actually gonna buy it really , i wasnt even slightly close to rentig it let alone buying it.

[BadboyCivic]

if you spend enough time on N4G you would know that

[mynd]

@ IDemonstalkerXI
Yes I know this, although speed is need by th ecell, it's feeding 7 chips thats way mor ethan double the 360, that and they all have to acces ther eown little store, so it gets quit ebusy when streaming. The XDR need sthat speed. But this is nothing to do with that, it's about being bale to get you GPU to talk to textures as fats as possible.
The bandwith limitations between the Vram and RSX has nothing to do with the Cell. It can certianly help by storing vertex data in the XDR, but textures need to be in that vram. It's effectivly a closed loop.

[Downtown boogey]

OMFG!! How stupid are these people!!

[INehalemEXI]

there is a thing called procedural textures, which is cpu intensive. You don't seem to understand how the cell works or even what it looks like.

The cell is 1 chip , and it only has 1 PPE for logic the 7 SPE's crunch what the PPE feeds it. Its not 7 chips accessing RAM. Also the CELL and RSX are never fighting for RAM as would happen with a unified architecture which the 360 uses.

On the flip side the 360 has a gpu that can draw on a full 512mb of RAM which is nice and the gpu has the on board edram dedicated to AA. They both have strengths and weaknesses.

It does depend on the engines , engineers etc. to make use of those strengths and when developing for both you will run into weaknesses of both systems and thus the game wont be the greatest it can be. Where do you get this bandwidth issues from cause the PS3 mobo has a slightly greater bandwidth, minus the onboard gpu aa dedicated edram the xenos has.

[mynd]

"there is a thing called procedural textures, which is cpu intensive. You don't seem to understand how the cell works or even what it looks like."

I think I understand a hell of a lot more than you do form what you say below.

"The cell is 1 chip , and it only has 1 PPE for logic the 7 SPE's crunch what the PPE feeds it."
Not even close to correct.
"Its not 7 chips accessing RAM. Also the CELL and RSX are never fighting for RAM as would happen with a unified architecture which the 360 uses."

It is 7 seperate stores aceesing the main memory, the SPU's dont even have to touch the PPE. As fro fighting for memory the 360 gets around this. Trust me the 360 aint starved.

"On the flip side the 360 has a gpu that can draw on a full 512mb of RAM which is nice and the gpu has the on board edram dedicated to AA. They both have strengths and weaknesses."

Correct, but the PS3's strengths is not texture memory or procedural textures, procedural textures have to be created and decompressed into vram like everything else, saves on stoarge space but no impact inside memory. The PS3 doesnt need to save on storage space, not with Blu-ray.

"It does depend on the engines , engineers etc. to make use of those strengths and when developing for both you will run into weaknesses of both systems and thus the game wont be the greatest it can be. Where do you get this bandwidth issues from cause the PS3 mobo has a slightly greater bandwidth,"
Bandiwth issue comes about fromthe framebuffer to oh ,lets see, everything ever written to it. The PS3 has the 22gb/s bandiwth between RSX and VRAM, it gets soaked very easily.
The 360 simply doesnt, it doesnt read write every frame buffer write, it just reads. Then when the frame is finished, it writes it back once from the EDRAM.
"minus the onboard gpu aa dedicated edram the xenos has".

It's that EDRAM that more than halves the required bandwith requirements for any given frame. Sure it gives you the free AA but thats not it's main purpose in life. It's a giant repository for the framebuffer so you dont end up constantly reading writing back to you vram every draw call.

VRAM(TEXTURES) -> RSX -> VRAM (FRAMEBUFFER)(every draw call)
DDR3 -> XENOS -> EDRAM (after frame complete then back to vram)

[Sarick]

How can anyone say there is no difference. After watching the game trailers comparison I saw a few key moments that did stand out. Check this video at exactly 0:41 and 2:10.

http://www.gametrailers.com...

I'm not blind at least at the 2:10 marker something is definitely different at the explosion. So everyone saying the only difference is one is lighter or darker then that other missed a few things.

[Aquanox]

Makes me remember when Spiderman - The game - was released and people thought Sony, being the movie publisher would push the game to show off the PS3 power. The story ended up smilary to this one.

Moral to Sony: Next time, before securing a (semi) exclusive, at least make sure it looks at least as good as the Xbox 360 counterpart. What an ironic turn of events.

[Ju]

@mynd

What you say makes sense, and yet it does not explain why there are such differences in for example Ghost Busters.

When you say VRAM->XDR->VRAM you mean texture fetches from VRAM ? Not write back or what ? And XDR->XENOS->EDR same ?

Well, EDRAM does only help you as a cache for those textures you need for the next draw cycle. And it is fair to assume that VRAM texture reads are fast enough to fetch from for every frame (that is, what VRAM was designed for), so the RSX does not run into any penalty here. Also, 10M while nice to have would - if used as a static cache - limit your texture memory even further. So, it needs to be refilled when new textures are required (VRAM cycle, flush EDRAM - like a cache mem).

But, when you say, the EDRAM is a texture cache, so is the VRAM on the PS3 (well, slower, but still). You can buffer textures in XDR, you can virtualize that mem and you can fetch those buffers directly from the RSX using DMA. So, when implemented properly, you still have a bank of 512MB (or more, if you swap a bit to the HDD - see Uncharted, which gains 768MB vram that way).

I just think these guys are using a traditional setup with a static vram buffer for textures and ran out of memory on the PS3 and thus had to scale down the resources to make them fit. They don't use any kind of intelligent texture caching or buffering. Nor do they use any advanced lightning.

BTW: Deferred rendering would use the CELL to set up lightning data in XDR to "bake a frame" for the RSX before this gets drawn. Neither this is used in this game.

[INehalemEXI]

your just pulling things out of your arse .
http://moss.csc.ncsu.edu/~m...

does that look like 7 chips to you?

"In a simple analysis, the Cell processor can be split into four components: external input and output structures, the main processor called the Power Processing Element (PPE) (a two-way simultaneous multithreaded Power ISA v.2.03 compliant core), eight fully-functional co-processors called the Synergistic Processing Elements, or SPEs, and a specialized high-bandwidth circular data bus connecting the PPE, input/output elements and the SPEs, called the Element Interconnect Bus or EIB.

To achieve the high performance needed for mathematically intensive tasks, such as decoding/encoding MPEG streams, generating or transforming three-dimensional data, or undertaking Fourier analysis of data, the Cell processor marries the SPEs and the PPE via EIB to give access."

What the makers of Cell said and what you say is opposite. I love how you said I was not even close to correct when I was on the money. They don't talk about the 8th spe being redundant so it is 7 spe's really.

The 10MB of eDRAM isn't large enough to store a 720p image, the largest image that can be stored is in a non-standard-sub-HD video mode dubbed "640p". Consequently many Xbox 360 games (Halo 3, PGR3/4 etc) aren't native HD. So again there are strengths and weaknesses.

[Ju]

^^ Well, the SPUs need to access the main memory at some point. They are 7 (8) individual cpus, this is correct. And they are connected through one (buffered) bus to the XDR, which transfer data through DMA.

That said, it doesn't really matter, if you have 7 or one or how many. You have one serialized pipe to the mem. If all 7 (8 in the non-ps3-cell + the PPE) would access the mem at the same time, you run into bandwidth troubles, for sure.

However, that is, why they use a fairly large extremely fast local memory on die for the SPUs (this is fast as cache memory but behaves like DRAM) and the memory subsystem uses buffers to not starve parallel mem access (like the PS2 had a double buffer to allow CPU & VPU access memory at the same time). That said, the memory limits the bus access requirements (it is very unlikely, all 7 SPUs would initiate a parallel DMA) and second, the bus is buffered, so in case DMA request multiple read/writes the DMA engine does not get starved, but the cycle completes while the data are buffered. This is no 100% solution, but works around bus limitations pretty efficiently. BTW: All 7 spus can access the EIB at the same time without any penalty (ring buffer, bi-directional).

[INehalemEXI]

thats what I am saying dude was trying to imply that the cell was 7 chips with there own bus all waiting to access RAM. Don't forget there is L2 cache memory for these but the spe's are drawing from the EIB all symultaneously. While the EIB draws on the XDR. There is no line at the XDR. The PPU does all the traditional computations.

the control processor can place work requests into a work queue or a set of work queues. If the work requests are computationally variable and non-predictable, the SPEs can self-arbitrate for work from a single queue by using atomic operations. When tasks are predictable in duration, the control processor can distribute the work amongst separate queues for each SPE.

Now he says procedural textures are not PS3's strength too thats bull when the company that developed the middleware for PT says the PS3 does PT at a rate of 6MB per second vs 360 4MB per second.

[MUNKYPOO]

hey ju, is it true what said about uncharted using 768MB of vram? if so is it easy to do, works just as good as regular ram, and how come not a lot of game developers dont use it more?

just wondering, thanks in advance

[Ju]

To be honest, I vaguely remember a comment from Naughty Dog that they use some sort of VRAM virtualization to squeeze (up to ?) 768MB of VRAM out of the PS3.

I can imagine, why this works for their game, is because the constantly stream data (from BD & HDD). So, virtualization should not be a big effort in that case ("big" is relative).

If you have for example an open world, and you have a lot of texture you'd need to have at hand fairly randomly, I could imagine, this approach might not work as well (you'd need to swap the XDR constantly - with random seeks - which might have a huge impact on bandwidth, but if you can linearly stream - like in one chunk - and just fill buffers, that might work just fine).

But I am only speculating here based on my experience, logic and what I hear. So, you can say this is a rumor.

[evildeli]

True. EA was less than stellar their first time out. I guess Terminal's Issue is that they praised the PS3 for so long and are now throwing them under the bus. I'd blame Sony for not making sure this game didn't look perfect on the PS3, but I'd put more blame on Terminal for not coming clean about having issues with the PS3 earlier. This just blew up in their faces. I wonder if they even thought they could have gotten away with this scam.

[INehalemEXI]

I know what your saying that there are RAM issues but its not bandwidth between RAM and RSX because the bandwidth between RSX and VRAM is slightly greater then whats between Xenos and VRAM. The bandwidth between main memory and CPU is even more greater on the PS3 too. Its not bandwidth issues.

Xenos has the onboard eDRAM since its onboard the gpu it has directly nothing to do with the bandwidth between Xenos and VRAM. Also Xenos is clocked at 500 mhz while RSX is clocked at 550 mhz the issue IMO is not bandwith between the RAM and GPU its that traditional code just works in favor of a unified RAM architecture.

[jpdcmo]

For me the real problem is the 8 min 4 GB mandatory install.
Why we still tolerate this crap?
For that the ps3 always lose.

[thesummerofgeorge]

Could the PS3 be maxed out? Even though there are already bigger, better looking, better in every way games available for the system, that comment just shows how this article is not news, it's a fanboy who has his lips firmly pressed against microsofts ass. Yeah they maxed out the PS3 with a multi plat Ghostbusters game, I'm so sure Ghostbusters will be superior to Uncharted, MGS4, Uncharted 2, GT5, Killzone 2 the list goes on. These games don't suffer from the problems Ghostbusters is having. They claim the game doesn't look or perform well on the system, then claim it's as good as the system's gonna get. These idiot fanboys with the minds of 12 year olds should just pack in the journalism thing, cause they FAIL at it.

[ObviousTruth]

So powerful, it can brainwash you into believing it's more powerful than it actually is.

-This message brought to you by the Church of The PS Triple-

[Tito Jackson]

B/c I wont be sitting 2 F*CKING INCHES AWAY from my 50inch LCD.

Sit back kids, or you'll go blind ;)

[mynd]

Demonstalker- YOu need to understand how GPU's work to understand why the PS3 has bandwidth issues between RSX and Vram.
I've alreayd sent this to one member so I may as well explain it to you all.

Lets take the example of a scene with 3 things to draw in a single frame. A car a tree and a road.

Heres how the PS3 does it (note: I am ignoring Geometry just textures).

Draw Call 1 (Car)
Car Texture (VRAM) ->Into RSX -> Out to Framebuffer (VRAM).

Draw Call 2(Tree)
Tree Texture (VRAM) ->Into RSX -> Out to Framebuffer (VRAM).

Draw Call 3 (Road)
Road Texture (VRAM) ->Into RSX -> Out to Framebuffer (VRAM).

Now lets break 1 of those calls down into cycles from the VRAM..

Texture from VRam (1 cycle)-> RSX-> Out to Framebuffer (1 wait states cycle, 1 cycle to write).

You have wait at leasts one cycle between reading and writing to the VRAM (look up wait states if you dont know what I talking about).
Now you also have to wait another wait state at the end before reading again (can be an issue but not always you may have to do other stuff anyway like render state changes). So each "draw" costs you between 3-4 cycles. Now thats somewhere between 9-12 cycles to draw those 3 things.

The 360 setup looks like this...

Draw Call 1 (Car)
Car Texture (VRAM) ->Into XENOS -> Out to EDRAM.

Draw Call 2 (Tree)
Tree Texture (VRAM) ->Into XENOS -> Out to EDRAM.

Draw Call 3 (Road)
Road Texture (VRAM) ->Into XENOS -> Out to EDRAM.

End of drawing
EDRAM->Vram

See what happend, instead of reading and writing from the vram , all we did was read, read, read, write.

So PS3:

Read/write/read/write/read/wr ite

360

read/read/read/write.

Now you have 6 operatons on the Vram on the PS3, and only 4 on the 360.

Now extend that to say 100 draw calls....

Ps3: 300 read/write operations
360: 101 read/write operations.

Do it right and you also have no wait states between reads.
End result what took 9-12 cyles to do on the RSX, takes 5 cycles on the 360. Thats less than half the bandwidth requirements.
Now it's a lot more complicated than that, but that boils down the premise and the basic fundamentals of it.

Yes, the framebuffer is big enoug to handle 720p, just not with anything special (like multiple texture writes out, complicated stencial/ depth buffers). But even so, writing back to the Vram 4x vs every draw call? It's still a masisve win. Where it also really saves in is overdraw, because you never overdraw back to the Vram, only the final picture.

P.S. Yes the cell is one "chip" but still several CPU's bound together. It needs that extra rambus speed. In saying that, I dont think thats where the system is starved at all, as I point out above.

[INehalemEXI]

Sure the eDRAM is great yet Xbox360 takes a tiled rendering approach as the full rendertarget can't fit in the eDRAM buffer since its only 10mb So its not clean cut as you state. While it aids in ways there are also draw backs and RSX is clocked faster in the end its not as huge difference as you make it seem IMO. As long as devs code properly as exclusives show.

you don't see people trying to compare the best PS3 games to see if they match up to the best looking 360 game its the other way around unless its a multiplatform game in this case, and The cell is not multiple cpu's bound together it is one cpu. The PS3 chipset also fails less it is reliable.

[Ju]

@mynd

Interesting idea I must say. But still, what you describe is nothing more then a (too small) write back cache. Can the video decoder (don't want to say DAC, whatever that thing is in there) read the framebuffer from EDRAM ? (Serious question, I just don't know). Or how do you get the data out to the connector from EDRAM ? If you have to flush that back to VRAM again, then its just a write back cache.

Anyhow, its not so much of an achievement because it certainly is not visible in any fillrate benchmarks on anything nor do we see a higher resolution (which I would have guessed if the bandwidth gained is so much higher - and I mean >720p, not those sub standard HD buffers).

But OTHO, VRAM is dedicated to the GPU, DDR3 is not (in an UMA configuration), which means, DDR3 cycles are slower anyhow there, and the gain by the eDRAM might just get lost by the slower (shared) memory. It is definitively a smart idea, but I fail to see how big the performance gain really is.

[Cajun Chicken]

The PS3 isn't maxed out until ND make their last PS3 game...oh, and then Santa Monica'll create another epic series. That's QUITE a long time.

[Silellak]

Calling any console "maxed out" is ridiculous. The best developers are incredibly creative, and will always find clever solutions around the hardware limitations of ANY platform.

Why do you think PS2 games looked better than XBox and Gamecube games, despite the PS2 having the weakest hardware of the three? The PS2's huge userbase inspired developers to work around the hardware and squeeze out every ounce of power. I'm not sure it was ever really "maxed out".

[el zorro]

If you think PS2 games looked better than Xbox and Gamecube games you truly are lost. That is one of the most ridiculous comments I have ever read.

No wonder some of you are so easily duped into believing the PS3 is the most powerful.

[Transporter47]

this is the order of how powerful the systems n if i include PC it pwns all :P

PC > PS3 > Xbox360 > Wii

PC > Xbox > Gamecube > PS2 Well then i guess Gamecube goes bfore ps2 :P

i believe that should b correct.

[u got owned]

More like

PS3 > Xbox360 > Wii

Xbox > Gamecube > Ps2

:)

[STK026]

Well, I'd say that God of War 2 and FF12 looked better than most games found on either the Xbox or the GC. Of course, that's most games, not all games. Halo 2 and RE4 looking better than pretty much anything on the PS2. However, looking at the PS2's specs, which were clearly inferior (the Xbox had more than twice it's processing power), it proved that good developpers were able to use the PS2 to it's full potential.

[el zorro]

More like PS3 and Xbox 360 are fairly equal, but it is much easier to get good performance out of the 360 than the PS3. You will see more games looking good on the 360 than the PS3 for this reason. The PS3 will have a few exceptional looking titles, as will the 360.

In real world terms, and speaking generally, it actually goes a little more like this:
Xbox 360 > PS3> ...Wii

[u got owned]

@ EL zorro

While i prefer my X360 over my PS3, i think you,re going a little to far saying the X360 is more powerful. Its been proven that the PS3 has the edge on performance.

[el zorro]

No it hasn't been proven. Only those that have bought into Sony's marketing believe that. Those that know anything know that it is mostly a bunch of hype and marketing BS. The PS2 was also supposedly the most powerful console according to Sony's claims, but it was clearly and unarguably surpassed by both the Gamecube and the Xbox.

Think about this, no game on the PS3 has unarguably surpassed what is available on the 360. On the other hand, the vast majority of games that are released on both platforms are provably better-looking or better-performing on the 360. That is why I said that in real world terms the 360 outperforms the PS3 more often than the other way around. The general graphical potential of both consoles, however, is fairly equal. It's just that the 360 has better tools and is much easier to get good performance out of.

[u got owned]

I agree with you on that the general graphical potential of both consoles are equal, however i think the PS3 has a little edge on performance because of the cpu. Graphics, both are pretty even, but performance (physics, amount of objects on screen, things happening at once) i think Ps3 has the upper hand.

[xabmol]

"PS3 > Xbox360 > Wii

Xbox > Gamecube > Ps2"

You know what's funny? Flip those around and you'll have 'em in sales order. It seems the cheapest always "wins."

.
@el zorro

"Think about this, no game on the PS3 has unarguably surpassed what is available on the 360."

Think about this,

[Jaces]

Uncharted, KZ2, GoWIII, Heavy Rain, GT5, Uncharted 2, Ratchet and Clank say hi!

Stop trolling moron. If you think multiplats are a proving ground over which is the most powerful well then take off your fanboy goggles slowly...don't want to blind you with the truth.

[Sonyslave3]

Behold the power of the cell ahahhahahhahhahahha.

[Parapraxis]

Behold the power of clicking "Shut User Up"
=D
Enjoy your lack of bubbles.

[RememberThe357]

Yep

http://ps3.ign.com/dor/obje...
http://ps3.ign.com/dor/obje...

[ARBitrator]

Typical PS3 FANBOY response.

[xabmol]

Don't forget R&CF: A Crack in Time and The Last Guardian. Two more graphically amazing PS3 games.

@ARBitrator

"Typical PS3 FANBOY response."

...to a typical 360 fanboy comment. ;)

[oohWii]

Spoken like a true moron, supporting another true moron.

Let me take a bubble from you. Feel free to return the favor. Oh, I forgot, you can't because whenever a PS3 fanboy is getting his A$$ handed to him in a debate, he and his buddies removes your ability debate while supporting each for making dumb comments.

Oh well, I'm gonna take yours anyway. Anyone willing to help, please feel free.

@arbitrator - I agree with you. Bubbles up!

[xabmol]

How am I "supporting" anyone?

Are you mentally stunted in some way?

Damn it! I'm feeding the trolls. Will I ever learn? >_<

[Lifendz]

You know you're going to lose bubbles saying madness like that.

[Forrest Gump]

True,we shouldn't forget Guerrilla Games as well.

[Gamer_Politics]

everyone knew that the 360 version looked better....but now the dev comfirms what has been known

[TheReaper42]

yeah the xbox version is better than the ps3 version for Ghost Buster. The dev that made this game needs to stay far away from the ps3 or take some lessons from the Sony first party devs.

[Sonyslave3]

I gotta give sony credit they have the most creative 1st party developers ever they know how to squeeze ever ounch of power from sony system.

MS can learn a thing or 2 from sony.

[Max Power]

that is because they talk to each other, share tips, and what not.

[error 74]

LOOKS BETTER THAN EVERY GAME THAT EVER CAME OUT ON THE 360

[3sq]

Agree

Metal Gear Solid 4
Killzone 2
Uncharted 2
God of War 3
The Last Guardian

Edit: Disagrees don't change the facts, heheh.

[CWMR]

-MGS4 looks no better than Assassin's Creed on 360 (not ps3 version).
Uncharted and Killzone 2 look no better than Gears of War 2.-

[user3915800]

Developer says:PS3 max out at 75% of xbox 360 power the PS3 does have less available RAM than the 360 – but we managed to squeeze 3 out of 4 textures as full size on the PS3. So the PS3 maxed out.

Plane and simple morons the PS3 its over-hyped garbage with sonys fanbase sleeping with a pink dildo.

@ 3.3 iDystopia relax man it was just the facts not insults . What its wrong with you is it the time of the month already. (Period)

[GMR_PR]

@ error 74

both consoles have pretty good looking games.

[radzy]

when you see killzone 2 in motion , it looks so mediocre .
i cant believe the fanboys were comparing it to crysis, lol , what a joke!!!

[vagisil]

the ps3 wasn't designed for efficient game code
fact 2: sony fvcked you
fact 3: sony had an arrogant way with a high price when launching ps3, just to beat hd-dvd by adding blu-ray
fact 4: only sony droids like you deny the truth.
fact 5: xbox 1 was greater in power over ps2 and it showed day 1, multi-plats and exclusives.
fact 6: quit sucking sony d1ck so much and come to realization you and a couple million others have been "had"
fact 7: suck the ps4 next, because xbox 720 will smoke it too.

fact 8: suck it droid

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I have said it plenty of times before, if the PS3 suppose to be so much more powerfull than the 360 all multi platform games including this one should look way better on the PS3.. <------thank you, some other dude on n4g sees this. bubbles

[Kill Crow]

The PS3 does have less available RAM than the 360 !!!

Facts suck !!!!

[El Botto]

How can anyone whose IQ is not lower than 40 come to the conclusion that the PS3 is "maxed out" because of Ghostbusters?

The shiat that runs around the internet nowadays ::handfists::

Spoiler:

If Ghostbusters was actually the best looking game on every console, you might have a point. As it stands now, that comment is just incredibly stupid and only highlights the fact that the author cant afford a PS3.

[na2ru1]

yet I can sincerely say, just by looking at disagrees, there are actually 50:50 sony and xbox fanboys in this site.

[Dimitri]

People wonder why some multi-plat releases dont sell as good as the 360 version, its because no one buys crap games like this. Developers cant be even bothered to take advantage of the hardware. Bunch of lazy dikheads.

[Gue1]

Considering that the game is a graphical showcase right? =D

http://lounge.moviecodec.co...

http://kineticninja.blogspo...

VS

Ghostbuster! =D

[nycredude]

Seriously this is getting out of hand. A slight difference and all the media is acting like the xbox version is the best looking game on the xbox or something... wait it has to be if they are making such a big deal about it.

The american media is a joke. Nothing but smoke and mirrors. Do you think if the two were identical that ANYONE in the media would even mention this game with all the games coming out. A game made about a movie? Listen people don't let these fools who play pixels convince you of what version to buy?

I find it funny that people keep talking about the ps3 version being inferior yet no one talks about the framerate issues on the xbox version.

Bottom line is this game is fun on both consoles. The graphic is not the best EITHER consoles have but the game is fun so buy it on the console you own or if you own both buy it on the console your friends play on. I can assure you after playing the Ps3 version for three days that is plays great, looks good and is hella fun game if you are a Ghostbusters fan.

[mintaro]

Well the reason this is getting such attention is because, the devs were quoted saying that if it were only on the PS3 they would be able to add more things, add particles effects, etc.

Except now it ended up looking better on the 360

[Kushan]

It is by no means a "slight" difference, the difference is unquestionable. 3/4 the texture and screen resolution? 75%? The game doesn't even look particularly amazing on the 360, so it's worse on the PS3.

The fanboys going nuts over this is a joke, as has been stated before this shouldn't be about 360 vs. PS3 - there's plenty of better looking titles on both consoles that prove what can be done, but rather this should be Gamers vs. Lazy developers. I don't use the term "lazy developer" very often as I know where many of the devs that get branded with that label are coming from (mostly the ones that dare to make a game look identical on both systems), but Terminal Reality are a joke, there's no reason their PS3 version should look so bad and that's where the real outrage lies.

[patterson]

Well said Kushan

+1 bubble

[madkrazygames]

you are absolutely right, and to think, this started from LoT

[INehalemEXI]

Terminal Reality are ex MS employee's... It may not be just "lazy."

They could just look at it as a budget issue, why should they feel compelled to spend more time that = $$$ on making the PS3 version as good as it could be. This is already known that multi plats take a hit and don't perform as good as they could due to being multi plats often.

If a game is not developed with PS3 in mind its going to show it due to the nature of its advanced design, its a double edged sword. I also would not expect a devs first game on PS3 which is a multi to fully take advantage of the system. That said they did not do to bad. I will rent it on PS3 , 360 was traded in due to multiple hardware failure awhile back.

[MGOelite]

the bots are gonna sexually molest this article

[KoB4EMvPi]

Looks like i will be buying the 360 version....

[Homicide]

Same here.

[iDystopia]

PS3 teh Cell has all teh goodest Powers!

"The PS3 does have less available RAM than the 360 – but we managed to squeeze 3 out of 4 textures as full size on the PS3."

[commodore64]

You know what's really weird about Ghostbusters on PS3?

Despite the proven ps3 540p resolution drop
Despite the proven 75% ps3 texture drop
Despite the proven ps3 vaseline effect

Some ps3 owner's have stated that they are still proudly getting this game on ps3, even if they also own a 360.

That's just weird.

[iDystopia]

Don't worry, we can pretend the PS3 version will be just as good. That way everyone can be happy.

Buying the Xbox 360 version, I'm already happy. :)

[dogmeat eater]

ick, this game is a rental. Its not worth $60. What a tool.
Edit: I hope your renting it. I don't want to see people wasting good hard earned money on average games.

[iDystopia]

lol You got me.

*Renting

haha

[MriownBOTH]

do you feel better.....still fact is gb 360 > ps3

nope i didnt waste my money its a great game...thanks for caring for the people who don't care what u say

[-MD-]

That's.. your opinion?

[BlackTar187]

Ive read the same comment from you like 10x man leave these forums alone i bought and would never return this is a gem to me and a bunch of people why your opinion is the one that matters or the one that can kinda degrade others is beyond me. Although i have been known to degrade its never been because of a game i don't like.and most of time the oppsite.

[Tempjf]

This is his exact quote don't even bother listening to this dope, it's a waist of energy. So did you buy it cause you said...

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

"said in an earlier post that they where using and older build of the game. Because I'm playing it right now and its nothing even remotely close to those awful screenshots. Thanks lens of anal for that misleading comparison. Get your facts right from now on."

How's it feel to eat your words? Just curious I guess you credibility is gone!!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah aha

How's it taste??

[dogmeat eater]

So many articles for a mediocre game.
:I did rent it. I would maybe give it a 6.7

[MriownBOTH]

i got a idea....you should just go rent it.

well dude you should probably rent the 360 version or the ps3 version...your all lost and confused for you rented it on the Wii.....silly u

[HDgamer]

So many articles on a game that fanboys won't be playing on either platform/console. Oh well, Peckman is suspect in the game.

[MriownBOTH]

its a awesome game isn't it.

i just got to the spider widow killer lady in the 12th floor room 221 in the sedgewick hotel..

good game

[MriownBOTH]

ghostbusters

360 > ps3

i mean is it anything new....don't we all already know that multiplaform games look better on the 360....its been like that since the beginning

[HDgamer]

I'm sorry you're not a gamer. A gamer plays the games wherever platform it's on and don't really care about the graphics as long as the gameplay is the same.

[7thNightvolley]

oh really?... tell that to the sony fannys who say " dont make ....put in the multi game... for the xbox360 its holding the ps3 back. now that for some time now its now so that the ps3 is actually doing the holding with even FNR4. this is worst coz its semi exclusive for sony platforms.. LMAO. all u are doing is damage control

[kewlkat007]

of course, it's only those titles that are dissected, as you really cannot compare exclusives to another exclusive on a another console made by a different developer. Just not a 1:1 comparison.

I'm still getting the game though. I have choices.

[Raptors]

"The PS3 does have less available RAM than the 360 – but we managed to squeeze 3 out of 4 textures as full size on the PS3." So: is the PS3 "maxed out"? "

I officially do not care about the specs of the ps3 or the xbox 360 or the opinions of game developers or bias game magazines. I frequent this site quite a bit and I can't understand how information can be so inconsistent??? I thought the PS3 has 512mb of ram but its just split up versus the 512 which the 360 has which is pooled together??

Just once, ONCE, Id like to hear someone come out and speak the truth about both systems with ZERO bias.

[xabmol]

But we all know it'll never happen.

[LiquifiedArt]

The developer programmed it for your average PC. They then ported the engine to PS3 and 360. They chose not to utilize the SPU's for anything MAJOR... (cough) culling, animations, ai (cough) but rather use 1 SPU for sound YIPPEE!

They then decided not to work with the PS3's Hardware and Memory layout as it is in 2 different containers, but rather did a straight port utilizing 1 memory pool (256MB) and dumbed the textures down to fit inside of that.

The 360 just HAPPENED to be an architecture not too far off the beaten PC path, so it worked out ok. The PS3 required rearchitecting their engine and they didn't want to do that.. End of Story.

hence...This will not see my $$$.

This is the absolute truth...

[TheMART]

""For the record, the PS3 version [of Ghostbusters] is softer due to the 'quincunx' antialiasing filter and the fact we render at about 75% the resolution of the 360 version. So you cannot directly compare a screen shot of one to the other unless you scale them properly. The PS3 does have less available RAM than the 360 – but we managed to squeeze 3 out of 4 textures as full size on the PS3."

Read that PS3 droids? You're just facked with multiplatform games, period. Even if it only comes down to the OS, the 360 uses less Ram then the POS3. You are facked forever.

[PeptoBismol]

Mart is still a 40 year old vırgın

[MGOelite]

how the hell can they blame the hardware when the 2 best looking games on consoles this gen are exclusive to ps3, uncharted 2 and killzone 2.

can one of you pathetic bots answer me that?

[3sq]

Oh I see, you are one of those idiots who didn't know both consoles have equally RAM.

Poor Bot.
Poor Bot.
Poor Bot.

Edit again: Disagrees don't change the facts, heheh.

Bu bu bu teh 360 was so easy to develope for yeah. Look at my avatar's shoe, BAM! Glitch! LOL

Bu bu bu teh 360 is more powerful, You just have to buy 3 or 4 of em. LOL

[ambientFLIER]

3sq - less AVAILABLE ram. Do you know what that means?

[cryymoar]

XDR 256MB @ 3.2GHZ
vs
GDDR2 512MB @ 700MHZ

leaves us with:
Killzone 2
vs
Gears Of War 2

and the winner is?
Killzone 2.
In terms of Graphics and detail, by far!

So was Ghostbusters supposed to make or break the PS3? fuuuuuuck no, was never planned to.
But bots like to spin it as if
"omg ghost busters looks bad on PS3, that means xb360 is superior!!! even though our games can't look better than Killzone 2 or uncharted 2, our games still look better!!!!"
fuuuucking pathetic logic.

[El Botto]

And fked are the ones whose gamingsessions are like gambling:

Every day and every time you turn on your console, you have a 33% chance that it flashes red lights at you. Its like the lottery!

You may win the redpot every day!

[Dimitri]

Thats why I dony count for multi platform releases apart from Modern Warfare 2. The rest of the games for me are exclusives like Uncharted 2.

[Dimitri]

PS3 doesnt have less ram. This is for those uneducated retards :
http://img227.imageshack.us...

Check the link noobs, get your facts right before you come here and talk sh1t.

PS3 can process 2x more than the 360.

[thebudgetgamer]

the good folks at naughty dog say no.

http://www.gamedevguide.com...

and the people in santa monica

http://cache.gawker.com/ass...

:)

[iDystopia]

"The PS3 does have less available RAM than the 360 – but we managed to squeeze 3 out of 4 textures as full size on the PS3."

Poor Droids.

[u got owned]

Now that you bring this two games, I can help to notice that Uncharted 2 is the pinnacle of graphics, it looks even better than GOW3 on those screenshots.

[thebudgetgamer]

but at the end of the day i will always say.

gameplay > graphics.

:)

[Dante43]

This just proved to us that only 1st party dev team and 3rd party dev team that really works on the ps3 can create awesome games.

Such as Infinity Ward, Kojima Productions, both of whom games were AMAZING.

Let just hope these lazy bum dev team games sales goes horribly wrong like that they fail miserably like they should.

[Sonyslave3]

i think it the other way around the droids are going to molest this article.

[spunnups]

Is the PS3 maxed out? Are you serious?

[spunnups]

It's not maxed out, only this sub par game engine is.

[Spike47]

I remember when it was announced as a time exclusive to the PS3, then, nobody cared right? Now it is important?

Seriously go pick up prototype.

[thebudgetgamer]

http://game-server-hosting....

http://bulk.destructoid.com...

:) and i will get prtotype at some point cause it looks like hella fun.

[LittleBigSackBoy]

yeah prototype isn't a pretty game but it's fun as hell, i just started today

[thebudgetgamer]

counting pixels is not my idea of a fun sunday afternoon.

:)

[MGOelite]

i just read this though again and by the sounds of it the devs are blameing their shortcoming on the ps3 hardware...

[el zorro]

Ok way to dodge reality! Believe in your own fanboy delusions and completely ignore what an actual developer is telling you.

The PS3 does have less available RAM. This is a fact. Every developer knows it is a fact. Sony made a poor decision on their memory architecture. The unified memory architecture of the 360 is much better. Not to mention the OS footprint is much smaller on the 360.

[MGOelite]

yes i know it has less ram but there making it sound like less ram equals worse looking games

[TheTruth89]

Since a lot of exclusive are WAY WAY WAY better then this game, im not absolutely scared about this.

[dogmeat eater]

This is a good joke.

[itchy18]

lol

[Foxgod]

Not gonna comment on the ps3 version, but they did a good job on the 360 version.

When devs make something run good on the 360 they deserve praise too, not only when they make something run good on the ps3.

[Tempjf]

You are absolutely right! Well said man.

[jackwei22]

Shame i couldn't get the X360 Version in Europe so il be stuck with the PS3 version on friday :( makes me wish i imported from the US now, unless Ghostbusters on X360 is region locked.

I suspose PS3 fans shouldn't feel bad about this atleast the gameplay is excatly the same.

[Silber]

You can import the US Version. Its Region Free. I have done the Same. It have Multilingual Audio too.

[rucky]

See how the media is blowing this story way out of proportion. If most developers can make a proper 360 to PS3 port with no noticeable difference what makes this developer any different assuming they did use the PS3 as the lead platform. It's simple they did not know wtf they were doing with the PS3 they just won't admit it.

[Why dis]

I should have waited now I have one bubble stating the obvious.

I think the 360 is more capable and think what we see on the PS3 would be enhanced if made for the 360.

[LittleBigSackBoy]

because GB looks better on 360...? lol, maybe you could say that if the 360's best graphics game wasn't multiplat

P.S prototype has better graphics on the PS3 but no one is going crazy over that are they...

edit: it's already been proved that prototype looks better on the PS3, i admitted GB looks better on the 360 but you can't admit prototype looks better on the PS3, even thoygh it's true

[Why dis]

No prototype has jaggy issues on the PS3 and frame rate issues but has shadows on ground textures making the ground look better on the PS3. lol

[Homicide]

It sucks seeing you with very few bubbles.

[xabmol]

You think for 1 second Why dis would say ANYTHING good about the PS3? Seriously, Why dis is the most delusional person here, right after MoOks.

Heck they probably play Halo3 in 1080p together. LOL I still can't get over MoOks saying Halo3 is 1080p. xD

[Kushan]

I'm sure heads will roll. At the very least, I doubt Sony pictures will be so keen to lend any other franchises to Terminal Reality. If the game is popular enough to warrant a sequel, who would you like to see develop it?

[spunnups]

The guys that made Dead Space

[Light Yagami]

B-b-b-but the cell and blu-ray =(

[MGOelite]

owns the 360? 1 movie game is enough condem the ps3? you lot are pathetic

[3sq]

Strangely, Light Yagami has become an idiot. Maybe he got raped by L. that's probably why. LOL

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Just another multi-platform game better on the 360. Nothing new here.

[LittleBigSackBoy]

right, a multiplat game...if people are so bothered about graphics surely they would want better graphics on exclusives and not multiplats

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Well considering multi-platform games make about 80%-90% of a gaming library, I would expect the more expensive "powerful" console to not have the inferior versions.

[LittleBigSackBoy]

i agree with with your last comment, i don't agree when people say stuff like "LOL 80% OF 360 MULTIPLATS LOOK AMAZING COMPARED TO PS3 MULTIPLATS" i think the majority of multiplat games look the same, then you get these odd few that look better.i also expect the PS3 multiplat games too look the same as the 360 not better or worse, as multiplats are suppose to look the same.

sorry for grammar mistakes, i'm using my PS3 (no keynoard)

[thebudgetgamer]

but when uncharted or god3 get shown suddenly is about gameplay?
make up your minds people.

:)

[CWMR]

-Sorry LittleBigSackboy, I own both consoles and I compare every demo that comes out as well as borrow lots of games from friends and the 360 version is almost always the better looking version. and you don't have to count pixels or use a magnifying glass to see it, it is usually plain as day and noticeable right off the bat. Judging by comparisons done by beyond3d, Lens of Truth, Digital Foundry and others I would say that it is quite accurate to say that over 90% of multiplat games are better on the 360.-

EDit @ above comment

-Because Uncharted looks about like Gears of War and God of War 3 looks a lot like a HD version of God of War 2. Uncharted 2 might look a little better, but I will have to wait till I play the game on my own HDTV and compare it. But even if it does end up looking a bit better than any game on the 360, what does that really prove? Gears of War 3 or some other game could come along later and look even better still.-

[LittleBigSackBoy]

CWMR, i don't agree with what you said but i'm not going to talk about that, you just said "i would say that it is quite accurate to say that over 90% of multiplat games are better on the 360.-" even if the graphics are better on a multiplat game, the game itself doesn't get any better

[thebudgetgamer]

i agree with that i love progression no matter what console it comes from. it just bothers me that fanboys pick and choose whats important by the argument their in. flip floppers i like to call them.

:)

[yorkie]

I do find it strange that quite a few multi platt titles seem to have a slight (lets be brutally frank it is slight) edge on the 360 when the best exclusives are much better on ps3. And I dont just mean graphically, gears2 is probally the pinnacle of 360 graphics but the online play is restricted to just 10 players, the game world is small the interaction with scenery is limited and that is common on a all 360 titles. The ps3 exclusives however have better graphics (uncharted, killzone2, MGS4, GTP, little big planet to name a few) but also more players online bigger maps more interaction with scenery etc. just a lot more going on in general, warhawk is a great example, (and probally the most underated game this gen), 32 players all on screen at once in warhawks shooting off missiles firing cannon, crashing into land and sea without so much as a stutter or drop in frame rate, all played out over huge detailed maps (dont get fooled by the cartoony graphics) nothing on 360 comes close to that sort of hectic gameplay, then killzone2 even the particle effects interact with other effects happening in the game it's not just a effect placed on screen it has a real pressence in the game world, so why many devs put out even slightly inferior ps3 versions is just beyond me when the system is clearly capable of so more than the 360.

[Kushan]

The problem with comparing exclusives is that it's like comparing apples to oranges and saying that one is better than the other. For example, Gears 2 may be exclusive, but it's on a multiplatform engine and the multiplayer is "small" by design, that's what the gameplay is all about. Or so one could argue. But sadly, they're the closest thing anyone has to a genuine comparison. There's no way to succinctly prove that one exclusive could or could not be done on the other console, so everyone ends up going around in circles over it.

I'm a firm believer that both machines have some amazing exclusive titles and if you only buy one, you're onto a winner either way, but some people really do get bent out of shape about it all and that's a shame. We all play games for enjoyment, so just enjoy them already. If everyone did that, these silly disputes wouldn't be necessary. Still, this particular incident shouldn't go unnoticed, not because it says anything bad about the PS3 (or anything good about the 360) but because it highlights what a REAL lazy developer looks like. That and the fact that you shouldn't trust what someone says, just because they're a developer.

[thebudgetgamer]

i couldnt have said it better.

:)

[7thNightvolley]

u said .. well .. perfectly put..

[inStereo]

MY LIFE DEPENDS ON KNOWING WHICH VERSION OF GHOSTBUSTERS IS BETTER. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, SOMEONE *PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE* WRITE AN ARTICLE ABOUT WHICH VERSION IS BETTER.

[Homicide]

360. If you only own a PS3, then it's the end of the world for you.

[xabmol]

LMAO!!

For some reason I read that in the voice of Lewis Black. xD

[maverick1191]

wow PP is back this is his 3rd, 4th account arrgh i cant keep up he keeps losing them so quick

[Dead_Cell]

Lol if they maxed it out with that crap then they went seriously f_cking wrong somewhere.

[kaveti6616]

Although Gears 2 is a great game, when EPIC said they had maxed out the 360 with it, I was very happy to hear that. Do you know why? It amazed me that with such an inefficient engine, not to mention the fact that the engine is multiplatform, they were able to make a game look that good on the 360.

To me that means that the xbox 360 is not maxed out, and in fact, no console is ever truly maxed out. It surprises me that you can say that the PS3 is in no way maxed out since the engine Terminal Reality made is probably crap, but can you admit the same for Gears 2? Gears 2 was made on the UE3, a decade old engine that's updated on top of older code. The graphical improvements of every Unreal Engine is marginal when compared to its predecessors.

If Microsoft actually gets a good first party developer to create a proprietary engine for the 360, I think we can see games that look on par with Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2.

[glennc]

must defend PS3! must defend PS3! this is a crack up

[Why dis]

Too many media outlets are coming forward at once, PS3 fanboys can't destroy their reputations fast enough now. This was such a sensitive high profile title the media was going to give PS3 a free pass because of the size of and the power(abuse) of the PS3 camp. PS3 has been getting a free pass for a year and a half now to tell you the truth.

[cmrbe]

I tell you. You people are really are something else.

Ghost Busters? I didn't know Ghost Busters was considered a AAA title. I must have missed the memo.

You people make me laugh.

[jay2]

This is NOT good stuff.
Devs need to get a grip, yep the 360 has 256MB more RAM and better shadowing abilities, but devs have to adapt to these issues and use what they've got to make the game engines run as well as they do on 360.

[LittleBigSackBoy]

they both have 512mb, but the ps3 ram is separated for diff stuff

[CWMR]

-But there are major bottlenecks and performance hits trying to use that other 256mb of ram for graphics-

[xg-ei8ht]

Kushan

You are actually correct, congrats.

I wouldn't mind. PS3 has 1gb embeded ram for OS. ROFL.

[360_Rules]

PS3 busters! hahahhahahaha The 360 can do better textures than the Flopstation 3. Gears 2, Alan Wake, Forza 3, Halo Reach, Splinter Cell. :)

[EasilyTheBest]

I have said it plenty of times before, if the PS3 suppose to be so much more powerfull than the 360 all multi platform games including this one should look way better on the PS3..

Please dont give us the excuse that its harder to program, harder or not if its that much more powerfull it shouldnt matter..
The PS3 is just not as powerfull as the SDF likes to think.

SDF keep bring up Uncharded and Killzone 2, these 2 games had millions spent on them and used the PS3s strengths.
You telling me that the 360 couldnt do these games...
I would even bet that the 360 would be able to do an improved Killzone and Uncharted..
Microsoft would need a lot of money to spend on coding a new game engine from the ground up, but why do they need to when nearly all the muli platform games look better on 360..

Snes and Sega Megadrive both great consoles. Out at the same time was a console way more expensive and powerfull and way more complicated to program. It was SNKs Neo Geo.. Funny thing is, every like for like game on the 3 consoles looked way better on the Neo Geo. WHY? Because the Neo Geo WAS more powerfull..
I know its difficult to comprehend but the 360 is just as powerfull as the PS3.

[CWMR]

-This guy ^^^ gets it.

[talltony]

Its harder to develop for cause its a new technology not made with typical PC architecture in mind. Developers such as these ghosbuster devs have to relearn everything just to try and figure out how to code for the ps3.
I dont know why stupid bots dont get this and your stupid excuse is that "if microsoft threw millions of dollars at their devs then xbox 360 could easily have the best looking games this gen" Typical excuse from a typical bot. Seeing is believing and xbox 360 does not have the best looking games this gen. END OF STORY! GROW UP!

[El Botto]

"I would even bet that the 360 would be able to do an improved Killzone and Uncharted..
Microsoft would need a lot of money to spend on coding a new game engine from the ground up, but why do they need to when nearly all the muli platform games look better on 360.."

>> Kid, if you think 360 can run KZ2 and Uncharted, youre a delusional retard. You probably believe in the easter bunny too!

MS has to build an engine from the ground? JUST WHAT THE HELL ARE you talking about. They already HAVE an engine thats tailored to the 360. Its called UNREAL ENGINE 3.

UE3 already utilizes the strengths of the 360. Hence why Epic keeps saying that the 360 is MAXED to the fking limits.

And the result? Gears 2 cant even look better than Uncharted 1 which is a 1st year PS3 game.

Oh and building an engine from the ground for the 360, ISNT exactly HARD since developing for the 360 resembles developing a PC game. So its not exactly EXPENSIVE to build an engine for the 360.

So despite being cheaper and easier, you claim no developer took advantage of this...you are a retarded xbot.

Fact: DESPITE being cheaper and easier to develop for the 360, no 360 EXCLUSIVE (let alone multi platform) looks better than the 1st year PS3 title Uncharted ONE.

And MS doesnt have any money? They have money to spend on Gay tony, didnt they. They have money to convince 2 weeks of Modern warfare 2 mappack exclusivity, dont they? But they have no money to build an engine? Lmao, you are giving the 360 way too much credit. The 360 isnt all that powerful. In reality its just a buffed up XBOX. Its strength lies in being easier to code and cheaper.

Thats about it. The PS3 is WAY, WAY, WAY more powerful.

360 CAN NOT do Killzone 2, Uncharted etc.

[camelio]

Halo had millions thrown at it, but it's still rubbish graphically compared to average titles on the PS3 or even 360...Your argument makes no sense...If mgs4 or uncharted could be done on 360, then they will have done it and kojima will be using the mgs4 engine for metal gear rising...I don't understand peoples reasoning sometimes, its f***ing Ghostbusters!!!

[madkrazygames]

this is crazy, I don't know who to believe

[xtreampro]

The MAIN problem is with the developers who were unable to progress further with the PS3 and are stuck in the past.

If developers can produce gorgeous games such as Uncharted 1 & 2 , Granturismo Prologue and KillZone 2 then why couldn't the developers who produced this game at least make it even with 360 game?

Couldn't they in the very least utilize the blurring and massive 50GB to an advantage??!

[Mindsucker]

ha well come on if this was a new ip or COD mod warfare 2 or any high profile game then I would be complaining my a$$ off but this game has one purpose to revitalise an existing popular 80's movie I mean it is cool and all but come on it's ghostbusters. I mean you flamin retarded fanboys should get a grip

[LiquifiedArt]

Before COD4 it was like... "COD? nah bland and WWII".

They moved to modern day and all of a sudden it became the pinnacle of FPS games (which i disagree with). I don't see it as anything beyond average.

Its not like its story is pulling it into new realms LOL

[Mindsucker]

yea true but it is defiantly one of those games you can come home and just go around and take care of some of that everyday stress by shooting stuff but yea it is defiantly no MGS

[f4nb0i]

... just wait for the superior version to come out in about 5 months. On PC.

[Guitardr85]

umm...then why didn't they just dump more onto the SPE's? Seeing as how a lot of games on the PS3 have looked IMMENSELY better than this, I call foul!!!

[swinesucker]

Because they are using PC background taking prolly nothing to the SPU's graphically.

[Bladestar]

This comes from a 3rd party developer that Sony paid to make it exclusive in Europe. lol.

but... but...

"
Metal Gear Solid 4
Killzone 2
Uncharted 2
God of War 3
The Last Guardian
"

what all these have in common?

* That all of them are exclusive to the PS3 and will never come to the xbox 360.
* Have huge budgets.
* Development time is usually 2 times longer than most multiplatform games Sony leg humpers usually like to compare to.

Each game have different scope, game assets, etc.

The reality is that there is no way to prove that if brought to the xbox 360 they wouldn't look and play better on the xbox 360 vs the PS3.

"The PS3 does have less available RAM than the 360" this is a proven fact.

After so many multiplatform games looking and performing better on the xbox 360 vs the PS3 one would think that these Sony leg humpers would at least consider that maybe.. just maybe the PS3 is not as powerful as Sony and their leg humper would lead people to believe.

People there is a reason why Sony will always sell playstations... because there is a group of lemmings that regardless of the facts will always believe that what Sony gives them is superior.

[khellendros1]

I can't believe we are still having this discussion. Everyone should know by now that if the PS3 version is not up to par it's because of the developer not the hardware.

[axerated]

so basically, the devs of this game are saying they did a botch job instead of taking the time to develop a solution that would acheive parity between each version? pretty honest...but..how about if instead of sony payin for the 4 month exclusivity, they just let it have an extra 4 months in development, woulda made more sense, especially as half the people with ps3's who were gonna get this have probably changed their mind now..like i have. what a joke

[spiky1228]

I think it would look alot better if it were a PS3 exclusive. I think they downgraded the graphics so XBOX360 can fit and bypass cell programming completely.....

[Bladestar]

lol! haha! the level of ignorance.

"I think it would look alot better if it were a PS3 exclusive"..

"I think they downgraded the graphics so XBOX360 can fit and bypass cell programming completely"...

Can you read or you are simply dumb?

Here is what the developer said, "the PS3 version [of Ghostbusters] is softer due to the 'quincunx' antialiasing filter and the fact we render at about 75% the resolution of the 360 version."

You see... in order to make the game work do to having less memory.. developer had to reduce cut down the resolution by 25%!!!

If what you are saying is correct.. that, "they downgraded the graphics so XBOX360 can fit" the xbox 360 version would be the one running at 75%... you dummy!

What you are implying is that if this game is made for the wii.. the PS3 and the xbox 360 versions would look worst because uhhh... the xbox 360 and PS3 versions would have to be downgraded so the wii could fit... lol. how stupid of a logic is that.

It's logical to assume that if the PS3 would be superior the console that would need cutting would be the xbox 360 and not the PS3... don't you think? Multiplatform games would look 25% better on the PS3 and not 25% worst... lol!

You see.. to me it shouldn't matter the which version look better.. since once you spend more than 10 minutes playing a game the brain forgets about all those extra pixels.

So, why do I attack the Sony leg humpers? because them and Sony's entire argument about buying a PS3 is because nothing in this universe comes remotely to the all powerful PS3... you know the "Can only be done on the PS3... " bla bla.. regardless of the falling short in many cases against the xbox 360.

[ambientFLIER]

...so that made the PS3 port look WORSE? Wouldn't downgrading be done to make them both look EQUAL?

[talltony]

Its a freakin crappy port from a crappy looking game. These devs dont know what they are talking about. They think they can code the same way on ps3 as they do on xbox 360 but they cant because it is new technology and different architecture. Only sony's exclusives show the power the ps3 has over xbox 360.

And any disagrees I get does not change the fact that I am right and I know it!

[Bladestar]

"Only sony's exclusives show the power the ps3 has over xbox 360. " your comment can be compare to those who say that global warming can reduce the Earth mass and change it gravitational force which will cause to eventually collapse against another planet or be expel from orbit with the Sun.

Bottom line... it can't be proven it can't be tested and therefore is as valuable as a cow who contributes to CO2 by farting...

Take GT5 for example... is being in development for many years... has a huge budget and it usually compared to wherever is about to be released.

Take a look at Forza 3 and compare it to GT5P...

Sony is dedicating 2-3 times more time and money than most developers spend (including Microsoft) in their games to ensure that they "look" better than other games. Because it's their goal.. The entire PS3 marketing has always being about "graphics".

Take a look at other PS3 games where Sony does not spend nearly that much time and money.. why don't they look as good as kill zone 2 and Metal Gear?

Can you explain why Socom though a first party does not look like kill zone 2? Can you explain why Resistance 1,2 did not match Gears of war in terms of graphics.. though they had the support of Sony?

mmmm... interesting ehh? Games that do not have as large budget or development cycle is shorter do not look as good even if they are first party...

can you explain that genius? and don't change the topic answer my questions.

how good 1st PS3 games have more to do with Developers, budget and development cycle than the power of a console.

[talltony]

I said only sony's exclusives show the power the ps3 has over the xbox. I didnt say all of them but most do. And if you want to play that game I will.
Ratchet and Clank TOD was a first gen ps3 game that looked like a pixar film. Compare that to Banjo kazooie nuts and bolts which was like a 3rd generation xbox 360 game.

Uncharted 1 to Uncharted 2 is a 2 year difference. Xbox 360 still didnt match uncharted 1 in terms of graphics.

MGS4 is still a technical Marvel with its CGI like in engine cutscenes that blends right into the gameplay. It did not take that long to come out since the ps3 released.

Again Motorstorm 1 to 2 is a two year difference as well. We have yet to see a racing game on xbox 360 that looks like any of these. Never seen the kind of mud in these games in any other game and motorstorm 2 just improved on the first in every way possible.

Grand turismo 5 Prologue did not take that much longer to come out than forza 2 and for a freakin demo almost it was polished as hell and looks way way better than forza 2.

I would also like to make a honorable mention to heavenly sword. boy is this game underrated but my point is that the lighting in this game is excellent and I have yet to see a xbox 360 game with as many people on screen at once on xbox 360. I mean their are thousands of people in this game at once being thrown like ragdolls when you shoot cannonballs at them! seriously it looked incredible!

LBP is the most innovative game on any console! You cant deny that!

I own both consoles so that I can always get the best version of a game while playing the exclusives on both consoles. I as well as many others can easily see the quality in sony's games over xbox 360's.

[evildeli]

I've never seen a video comparison force the dev team to explain their actions before. Maybe Sony should start fully supporting the companies willing to port to their machine.

[Raoh]

that's another good point. sony sucks at reaching out.. they expect people to flock to them.

all this power and tools and they sit there waiting..

the 360 isnt a better hardware .. it has simpler tools not only is it simpler they actively reach out to devs and help them in their direction and set some guidelines

insomniac has an engine and class to help other developers work on the ps3.. is sony going out and pushing this?

nope..

[Soul Train]

TR was trying to hide the fact that they did a terrible job in developing GB on the PS3.

At least the truth came out and they didn't get away with it!

[Raoh]

(LOL Damn i'm wasting my bubbles in this thread, dont mind me [vodka and cranberry and n4g until my iPhone 3.0 software installs :) ] )

this is where i dont mind TIMED EXCLUSIVES

if its cause you want to make each game right.. by all means i'll wait but if it's cuase you got a pay out FU

if your having trouble just concentrate on one, but dont port the other work on it..

an example of bad time and project management is codemasters, 2 years ago codemasters were gods... now? damnation? fail fuel? fail.... better time could have been spent on A game for A console

[Raoh]

one thing about the article that said "is the ps3 maxed out or is the engine not up to snuff"

i say neither, its experience..

i'll use bioshock as an example. bioshock came out very well on the ps3. but it would have sucked had they not brought in the developer that worked on dark sector. dark sector ran great on the ps3. so 2k brought in a more experienced ps3 developer to help out.

if they didnt bring in the extra developer with experience and bioshock sucked.. would you blame the bioshock engine or the ps3?

also when you look at the ps3 exclusives as well as the work by criterion (who not only made a great game but took advantage of the open network) as well as Epic whoa re pretty much at this point 360 developers (who also made unreal tournament 3 run not only smooth and crisp but used the open network for community created maps and weapons as well as an OPTIONAL install) all this without worry, concern, frustration etc..

[Raoh]

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

in this article the same problem that ghostbusters is having on the ps3 seems to not be an issue for fight night 4

it still boils down to experience.. think about it the best 360 developers are pc developers.. and they are just almost walking the line of just pushing a button to make the games look just as good on the 360.. that's half easy 360 tools and half pc experience..

sony has good game developers but they have 0 back end software developers.. shame sony and apple are competitors

[dagreylion]

Its a shame that other devs don't run into this issue. But if the game looks good and plays well who cares which version looks better. Buy it for the console you own or you play the most.

[testerg35]

Even though both the PS3 and 360 have 512mb of ram, the PS3 OS takes up a nice chunk. I believe the last time its was something like 92mb vs 360s 32mb.

[Raoh]

(someone correct me if i'm wrong)

but isnt the problem not that sony doesnt have enough memory but that they split the memory between cpu and gpu?

its one of the things that make me laugh about people saying the ps3 cant handle (whatever)

capcom introduced installs as a workaround and now everyone wants to do it.

but the best ps3 games have no game installs (minus mgs4) killzone 2? nope, uncharted? nope, resistance? nope, etc etc etc

[Traveler]

Unfortunately not every developer has the budget or talent of Naughty Dog, Guerrilla or Insomniac.

[Raoh]

that's my point

the insomniac tools/assiatance is somewhat free

but sony wants people to COME to them instead of REACHING out

2k had a budget but instead of doing it all themselves they reached out and brought in experience

hell when you think of budget i think of codemasters, 2 years ago they were almost gods now they have two back to back failures with damnation and fuel..

hell those two teams could have been ONE good team instead they made 2 bad games

is that a bad budget or a bad decision?

[deshon09]

they will be in court soon

[andron]

Think I will be picking this one up when the price gets lowered...

[Tempjf]

I see so many of you on here that bashed and ridiculed the Lens of Truth when they put this article up Monday. So bad in fact that an article was posted on here that was based off a retarded 2 sentence thread, which has since been removed the article says "lens of truth Ghostbusters Comparison: Not True..." Now THE TRUTH COMES OUT we find out they were right all along. God, all I have to say is the people that did the bashin really must feel stupid right now.

I'll just sit back and say I told you so.

Good job guys at The Lens of Truth for not backing down to these turds..

[Tempjf]

I was behind you guys 100%.I knew the truth would come out!!

[digoutyoursoul8]

it all comes down to justifying the purchase of the console you buy. terrified a few pixels will make you feel inferior to the idiots who have the same mindset when instead you should be just enjoying playing video games.

the only people who save this website from being flushed down the fuc$ing toilet are the multi console owners, who actually speak more sense in a minute than a ugly ignorant ar5ehole fanboy who needs a good slap would in a decade.

you should never have to justifyi a console purchase to anybody, are you braindead ??

[Pootangpie]

are you trying to convince me that god of war 2 and FFXII look better then doom 3,Jade Empire,Splinter CT,Riddick,Conker,FarCry instincts,Half-life 2,Ninja gaiden,Zelda TWW,RE4,Remake and zero

No wonder some of you are so easily duped into believing the PS3 is the most powerful.

that's what I have been trying to tell these morons for years Sony always likes to hype the power of there consoles

[gamingisnotacrime]

Uncharted vs ?
Ratchet and Clank vs ?
MGS4 vs ?
Heavenly Sword vs ?
Motorstorm vs ?
GT5 vs ?
Killzone 2 vs ?

[n4gno]

"I have to LOL at the retards that think the PS2 has better looking games then the Xbox and GC"

same with the one who can think 360 is better or just equal, with proof of evidence like uncharted 2 and others.

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

More like Terminal IP...

If Sony is smart they'd pull the plug on this for the future, to hell with Dan Akroyd. How can they let one of their licenses turn into so much bad PR? I thought Sony screened games to make sure they are at parity with other systems. How did that fail? I want to know.

But we aren't going to get ANY answer, so they won't get my money. This is the second disappointment this summer for me. Batman better be good this August, or it will be stuck on the rental list too.

[gamingisnotacrime]

sad but true, im tired of seeing the PS3 with poor texture on multi. the good news is that Sony is delivering plenty of exclusives so to forget multi.

PS: First time i play FF VII (bought it from the PSN store). Freaking awesome game, hooked on my PSP on the go

[jaseo]

all the great PS3 games use texture streaming.

[Mr Marbles]

the "power of the cell" is a myth.

NO game, I don't care who developed it should look like this on "the most powerful console ever made," period.

Its worse should be better than anything 360 can do. All this just proves PS3 is not superior to 360, and is NOT ideal for running game code, plus it lacks the memory of the 360, spin it how you like, but PS3 has tons of bottle necks 360 does not have.

[swinesucker]

They both have many bottlenecks, they are not theories, and as such both systems will struggle with real world expectations, not one more than the other, just on different things. All told, from first party dev's we know who is winning the contest. On downgraded PC specs the 360 has consistently shown to be the winner in 95% of the cases. This is the truth, and it can be changed to suit your needs.

[n4gno]

blind fan trying t forget kz2, uncharted 2, and other games impossible on xbox360.

and it's not the end for ps3, hard to code (when the 360 is maxed out since gears)

[D3stroy3R]

one reply, Killzone 2 and Drakes Adventure, enough said :)

[badbond1]

wasting your time with a game than is irrelevant in the race to which console has the best graphics! Regardless of the PS3 having less ram, the bottom line is this : The xbox 360 has been losing the graphics war against the PS3 since Metal Gear Solid 4 in June of 2008. You have been losing for over a year now and there is no return to glory after killer graphic app. Killzone 2 and Uncharted 1 & 2. When you come out with a game as beautiful as those games, talk your shiat, until then bow down and kiss the pinky ring to the power of the cell!

[Pistolero]

MGS4 is in no way the pinnacle of graphics...lots of games on both consoles look better....hell, even Resident Evil 5 looks better and it is a multiplatform game. Most of the games I care about most are multiplatform games....games like Orange Box, Bioshock and Resident Evil 5....I care more about those games looking the best they can on the consoles I own (I don't use PCs for gaming) more than I care if an exclusive I don't even like that much looks a little better than one I do like (killzone 2 vs GeOW 2).

[chad22hkd]

Ps3 was developed to work around blue ray and the cell.If you build a multiplatform game on these.The 360 will be a large downgrade.But in the norm of game development.The ps3 has less ram and a weaker graphics card.But the ps3 does not rely on these things that much.Where the 360 more pc based does.So you can have a little worse ps3 game.Or a very bad 360 game.Even though top developers like EA have learning to make them equal.The truth is that they are very diffrent machines.They dont run the same games very well.Multiplatform games hold both them back with less quality.But this game is just really poor developer work.It has nothing to do with hardware.But I wonder if the dumb debates will ever quit.Look with the cell and blue ray ps3 is more powerful.But its not like the ps3 is going to make your 360 look like 8 bit graphics.The 360 is a very powerful machine as well.Hope this gives some better insight

[n4gno]

less ram = no ! (equal amount, and better ram on ps3)

graphics = cell + graphic chip > xbox cpu+gpu

[Knightofelemia]

I love it for the Ps3 having a great playing yet could careless about the graphics but I also wanna try this game out on the 360 aswell

[n4gno]

El zorro and other fans like cbwr (no ps3 at home, obviously) are real jokes, comparing little (k, perhaps not this one..but it's an exception, like some poor old games like spiderman) to no differences beetween ugly games (multiplatforme) with games far better on ps3 than anything else (kz2, uc2, etc)

open your eyes (rent a ps3 if you can't afford it)

the best multiplateforms are equals (cod4, cod5, etc) and sometimes better on ps3 (burnout, tomb raider, etc) but ps3 owners doesn't care about little differences (they can see huge one with exclusives)
and don't use that kind of ridiculous arguments like xbox fans does...the last arm they can use, with exageration, like allways.
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[Soul Train]

The PS3 GB is rendered at 540p, the 360 is rendered at 720p.

PS3 also has 3/4 of the texture quality of the 360 version.

These are huge differences, but with your Sony glasses on, you'll never see them.

[OGharryjoysticks]

I don't think people would have cared about the differences in this game had the devs not said they are good on PS3. These guys made an engine and want to sell it so of course they are going to puff it up, but they had to know all along that the engine doesn't run good on PS3. Poor business move in my opinion. Getting caught in a lie at work would usually get a worker fired in the real world so maybe this company should fire itself.

[Shogun Master]

a little truth would have gone a long way here. Game's are far too expensive to expect someone to waste $60 on a bad port.

But since they lied when they were first asked about their giant mistake, what can really be expected from them?

[Anon1974]

They said if this was a PS3 exclusive they could have twice as much going on onscreen. It was a comment about the limitations porting to other consoles causes for developers.

Can anyone figure out why this story has such legs? Plenty of anticipated multiplats have come out this year that were superior on the PS3 according to Lens of Truth and others (Prototype, StarWars: Force Unleashed, Prince of Persia, Bionic Commando, Riddick, etc) and I don't recall them creating such a media storm of "OMG! Your system sucks!" I guess PS3 fans are just a different breed.

Some games are better on the PS3. Some are better on the 360. Most are so close you couldn't tell them apart. Ultimately, as long as it doesn't effect the gameplay, who cares if a texture on the third rock on the left looks a little off if you freeze the game and squint?

[PS360PCROCKS]

No dark ride it's not squinting and staring at rocks. The PS3 version looks terrible and blurry against the 360 one. This is by far the worst port we've seen since the launch of the PS3.

"Personally, I want to show off our PS3 technology. We’re one of the few developers who love the PS3 and have a great time with it. We have great technology for the PS3 and we want to show it off.

"We’re running the same game for both platforms but if we made a PS3-only game, for example, you could double the amount of objects on screen that you’re seeing. The PlayStation 3 has seven processors and the 360 only has three, so seven versus three means you can do a lot more on the PS3. We’re keeping the game the same over both platforms so we don’t want to take out any features," Randel added.

They said the PS3 version would be the best in a backwards way and than said it would be even better if 360 was excluded. Now it's worse on PS3? They need to seriously apologize.

[Anon1974]

I don't think it looks like a big deal, and I've watched that video over and over today trying to figure out what the hubbub is about. It's only really in the still shots that I can see a difference. And even then I think both versions look great.

Apparently, the bulk of professional reviewers agree with me, both games are solid with only one point separating the two versions of metacritic.

Seriously, no one but fanboys thinks this is an issue. I'll be picking up my copy this weekend and I'm looking forward to it. I've always been a huge Ghostbusters fan and the reviewers certainly seem to like it. Why on earth should Terminal Reality apologize for a game the critics really seem to dig, and I'm sure fans will to? Get real. It looks like they should be damn proud for the product they've put out. I'll let you know if my opinion changes after playing it.

[PS360PCROCKS]

::sigh:: ok, whatever dude to both your comments. I don't have time to argue, I have a fiancee who wants me to come to bed.

[ikral]

I am sick and tired of developers who put those kind of excuses. "PS3 has less RAM". And they say they love PS3. Yea, right, they love money they got from Sony. But still could not make decent game. FACT: PS3 is diferrent than PC, than X360. It is more complicated and asks more skill to program for it. PS3 has 245 mb of XDR that works on 3.2 ghz, same as cell. PS2 has had 32 mb of ram and 4 mb graphic ram but with 333 mhz 128 bit proc it could handle games as GoW 1 and 2, MGS 3, Burnout, GT4...we dont have to think too hard to figure what PS3 is capable for, and that means games that look and perform 2-3x better than Ghostbusters. Not satisfied, PS3 version is not good enough, but after all i dont care about this game. Gimme GT5.

[mynd]

"FACT: PS3 is diferrent than PC, than X360. It is more complicated and asks more skill to program for it."
Yes it's different, it's not mor ecomplicated, it's just more restrictive, you have to try and squeeze a large circle through a square hole basically. Somethings need trimming to fit it in.

"PS2 has had 32 mb of ram and 4 mb graphic ram but with 333 mhz 128 bit proc it could handle games as GoW 1 and 2, "

The difference is, the GPU is a closed loop inside the PS3, the Cell can help eliviate the load on it, but everything still gets prcessed at some point through it.

"what PS3 is capable for, and that means games that look and perform 2-3x better than Ghostbusters"

Yes and no, the PS3 uses the extra blu-ray space to stream far more static shadow maps in the case of KZ2, something the 360 cant do beacue of the space limitaitons, on the other hand its an incredibly in=efficent brute force method of doing this. To be honest I find most of the top PS3 exlcusives "colourless" in terms of rich and varied colour, the sparse red and blu of UNcahrted 2 comes to mind, as does the wide grey spaces of GOW3. It's simply a cleaver way of getting around the ram restrictions.

[Ju]

LOL @ "To be honest I find most of the top PS3 exlcusives "colourless" in terms of rich and varied colour, the sparse red and blu of UNcahrted 2 comes to mind, as does the wide grey spaces of GOW3. It's simply a cleaver way of getting around the ram restrictions."

Great stunt you pulled here. Quiet a suggestive phrase. UC2 has "less color space" to save space, while this game is the living prove how you can max out the memory on the system - any (console) system for what it's worth by using the most effective streaming tech available today. Nice try, though.

Are we counting bits now to save up space ? Because what you suggest here, is that a pixel has less components in red and blue to "compress" color information - in an example of a very colorful and vibrant game that is Uncharted 2. Maybe you can enlighten us, how UC2 does not use a full 32bit RGB spectrum.

[PS360PCROCKS]

No no NOOOO!!! Will you just admit the PS3 version looks terrible in a comparison? You ran your mouth and couldn't back it up, hello Haze. Seriously TR? I don't care about your excuses about "preview builds" different aliasing, smaller textures, different this, different that. I don't care how you got the game to look that way, it doesn't matter. What does matter is that us, the consumer, can see how poorly they compare and the PS audience has to suffer. Instead of admitting your fault, you bring out excuses, very unprofessional.

[Anon1974]

Both versions looked pretty good. It's not like one is a huge step down from the other or anything. In fact, right now on metacritic there's only one point separating the 360 and PS3 versions of this game. Doesn't that tell you anything?

I pity the gamer that lets these type of "comparisons" dictate which games to try.

And Haze wasn't bad. Haze's only sin was that it was average.

[ikral]

Yes, i see your point. PS3 is diferent than PS2, obviously, but i do expect in future developers will find way to make games better and better. And for colors, that matters only if you directly compare it with X360, but that means yuo aree not a gamer (not you), but tech freak. I love great graphics, but it is not enough to keep me playing. I wanna games with overall quality, i think you will agree. Stay well!

[mynd]

Oh for sure, the PS3 has plenty of horse power, and plenty of space, they will always be able to do things the 360 will never be able to do and vica versa, I mean Ghostbusters isnt exactly awfull, but people need to understand there are different ares each console can excell at, one isnt better than the othoer over all, they all bring there own strenghts and weakness;s to the table, honestly a combinaiton of the Cell and the 360 GPU would have kicked everybody's butt, and I think it will be what Sony do next time, to much stuff they can do "outside" of the vertex shader to bother with it next time around.

[Deadpool101]

A few people on here have mentioned that the PS3 version is the victim of a lazy port but that cant be right as the PS3 was the lead platform for this.

http://www.psu.com/PS3-lead...

Then again, how can the lead platform have the reduced textures? It makes no sense.

[Mr Face Creamer]

Look at all these droids mentioning Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 whenever a slight glimpse of Trashstation 3 dissing appears on this site.

Are you really that insecure? Gears 2 engine can handle thousands of more monsters than Killzone 2 and actually has colors unlike KZ2 which looks like a grey and grey movie.

Not to mention it can render tunnels and buildings and thousands of choppers and vechiles while Killzone 2 renders boxes and buildings with its "almighty" engine.

[lonix]

xbox has 512mb of shared ram

ps3 has 256 of graphics and 256 of main ram

same ammount of ram

just lazy devs got the CBF attitude

sony probably wont care considering theyll get royalties from the xbox version anyway

[Neo604]

what about the SALES!!!!!

[dodo101]

i getting sick of it!
FANBOY comments
f*k off!
i own both ps3 and xbox 360
and killzone doenst look that good!
and yes MGS does look good an GOW3 too!
and gears of war 2 too!
both systems have up and downs so shutup!!!!
BASTARDS!!!!!

[rmatott]

who cares, its a ghostbusters game, unless your 11 or under is anyone really buying this game? and those that do, do they really care about graphics???

[Anon1974]

11 year olds don't know what the hell Ghostbusters is. The movie came out 25 years ago. It's us geezers that are excited that everyone is back together and now we get a chance to see them in action again. I was 10 when Ghostbusters came out and it was a huge deal for me. Based on the reviewers it sounds like Terminal Reality did a pretty bang up job and slightly blurry textures on one version over the other isn't going to stop me from giving this game a go. (I could buy it on my 360, I guess, but hardware reliability trumps graphics in my books. I haven't had much luck with my 360 hardware)

[Rowsdower]

the ps3 was the lead platform on this game.

[ichimaru]

lol 233 comments

[sajj316]

agreed ... instead of the expected console c*ck fight, the focus should have been why Terminal Reality delivered 75% of the goods. Expectations were set when the producer opened his mouth. THEY FAILED TO DELIVER. Not the PS3.

[peeps]

first of all we had the ps3 timed exclusivity to which ps3 fanboys went on about how great the game was and 360 fanboys went on about how 'it's ghostbusters, who cares'

now the ps3 version turns out to be a terrible mess (on the part of the devs) ps3 fans will start saying 'it's ghostbusters, who cares' and 360 fanboys will use it as an attempt to say that their chosen console is the best.

It's sad to know that if i say i'm not interested in ghostbusters and have never watched any of the films, hence won't be buying this on any format, that i will probably be labelled a 'ps3 fanboy'

... but if i had of said it before, i would have been a 'jealous 360 fanboy'

Whats even more sad that fanboys themselves won't think anything of this comment cus they will just continue to be fanboys :p

[Sea_Man]

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[Wally Kockenhiemer]

I was planning on getting the PS3 version, because the PS3 was supposed to be the lead console. I am glad I caught wind of this or I would have been stuck with the gimped, inferior PS3 version.

This debacle has to embarass Sony, because of their ownership in the Ghostbusters franchise. The good thing is PS3 owners are used to getting the inferior multiplatform versions so they shouldn't be surprised.

I still can't believe how bad that PS3 version turned out.

[dj55555555]

you dont own a PS3

[tordavis]

I saw both games running EARLY at the comic con and they both looked incredibly beautiful!

Zooming in on a texture means nothing!

Who's gonna have the game running on two systems with two screens and zoom on a texture to see that the 360 texture is sharper?! Please.

[Anon1974]

Even in the side by side video comparisons it's hardly noticeable.
This whole thing has left me shaking my head. People claiming the PS3 version is "gimped" or a "terrible mess" because of slightly blurred textures? You play games, not textures.

[RudeSole Devil]

You people are enabling the developers to get away with half-a@@ ports like this, so be proud. Really guys think about what happened here. First off the developer stright up lied to everyone stating that Lens of Truth use a pre-build for their comparisons. Then a N4G had a post that came out which tried to destroy creditability. Then a spokesmen comes out setting the truth straight saying the game is 75% of the Xbox360. Which a again is a lie because the gPS3 game is actually 56% of the Xbox360 version. http://www.gamezine.co.uk/n...
The point is you guys are fools and keep buying these shi#$Y ports on the PS3 and taking second best.

[Bobbie001]

The ps3 doesnt support such high quality textures??

EVER HEARD OF UNCHARTED 2???

[dj55555555]

you have to laugh at all these children still trying to justify why they went down the cheap route in buying a 360. Not one 360 exclusive has matched the quality of the PS3's and a multi plat comes out that’s been poorly ported and they jump on it, grow a brain loser’s. Even after this has blown over 360 owners will still be cheap and detrimental to this gen.

[tordavis]

360 games match PS3's. Doesn't matter if it's exclusive or not. RE5 and Dead Space for instance. Gears compares to Uncharted. None of this matters though because it's all subjective right?

[donnie-2105]

The thing about ps3 fans is when a game is poor on the platform they say its the "lazy devs" but when they get a nice looking exclusive its the hardware and the "powa of da cell".POINT PS3 EXCLUSIVES ONLY LOOK DEBATABLY BETTER THAN 360 EXCLUSIVES BECAUSE OF THE HARDWORKING DEVS WITH MASSIVE BUDGETS AND YEARS TO MAKE THE GAME.NOT BECAUSE OF THE PS3 SUPOSED SUPERIOR POWER.period

[randomwiz]

"game is poor on the platform they say its the 'lazy devs' "

"PS3 EXCLUSIVES ONLY LOOK DEBATABLY BETTER THAN 360 EXCLUSIVES BECAUSE OF THE HARDWORKING DEVS"

choose your words more carefully next time

[Flewid638]

As long as games like Uncharted and Killzone look as good as they do, I can't help but tell developers with this problem, "Hey....you suck. Go back to school and learn what you're supposed to."

[donnie-2105]

THEY LOOK AS GOOD AS THEY DO BECAUSE OF TALENT MONEY AND TIME(LOTS OF) JUST THINK IF THE DEVS OF KILLZONE COULD DO IF THEY MADE A 360 EXCLUSIVE IT WOULD BLOW MOST IF NOT ALL PS3 GAMES OUT OF THE WATER

[evildeli]

Are all the CAPS necessary?

[dj55555555]

So tell me wise sir how will they fit 50gb of data on a 9.5gb disk?

[randomwiz]

just like criterion said, when you say a console's maxed out, your just out of ideas

Such a claim is "proof that you're not the best," Richard Parr said to Eurogamer. "It means you're out of ideas."

the problem here is efficiency

[donnie-2105]

I SAID sony fans SAY ITS the HARDWARE WHEN A GAMES GOOD BUT DEVS WHEN ITS POOR.but i say its not the hardware that makes ps3 exclusives look nice its the talented hardworking devs.WHERE DID I CONTRADICT MYSELF IN THE LAST POST IM CONFUSED YOU JUST PICKED OUT BITS OF SENTENCES

[Dacapn]

Indeed. A good sign that a game won't be pushing any boundaries is that it's being released on every available platform.

[Tron_Rocks]

I am a avid 360 fan and I am loving this game. I do agree that this game should have looked just as good on the PS3 as it does on the 360. It's a shame. Still the game is really fun and looks fantastic. I would be upset as well if I had the PS3 version given we pay more for the 360/Ps3 games so we expect more. If had a Wii and it looks as it does on the PS3 and paid 49.99 I would be happy as that would be one of the best looking game on the Wii, as it stands the DEVS's dropped the ball for the PS3 folks.

[deividpaulo]

DMC4 better on PS3
GTAIV better on PS3
FALLOUT3 better on PS3
COD4 better on PS3
Terminator better on PS3
Oblivion - better on PS3

Killzone2 - not possible on 360
Uncharted 1 and 2 - not possible on 360
infamous - not possible on 360

[XboxGirl]

You are so wrong its sad.
1. DMC4 Sucked and better on Xbox360 (Better textures and less blurrier on Xbox360 and no mandatory install).
2. GTAIV (Better Frame-Rate on the Xbox360 and no mandatory install).
3. FALLOUT3 (Xbox360 had timed exclusive downloadable content, PS3 just got it and Xbox360 ha a Better Frame-Rate).
4. COD4 (Xbox360 had sharper textures).
5. Terminator (This was better on the PS3, but this game really sucks and you could have it).
6. Oblivion (Xbox360 timed exclusive then after 6 months the PS3 finally got it. By then it was a little to late the game was old).

7. Killzone2 could be possible on the Wii with all the time Guerrilla had.
8. Uncharted 1 can't hold a candle to Gear of War. This game does look good but they obviously ripped of their play mechanics from Gears of War. And Gears of War looks better anyway.
9. Uncharted 2 isn't even out yet retard.
3. Infamous again looks good but Alan Wake will obliterate this game for sure.

You failed as soon as you typed the letter D. Good luck owing your one POS console. LOLOLOL HAHAHAHAHAH LOLOLOL HAHAHAHAHA LOLOLOL HAHAH

[donnie-2105]

HA HA the only game you listed which is better on ps3 is oblivion because it was released years later and wasnt a particular graphical intensive game.FALLOUT3 your joking right

[Ninjamonkey]

Well we all know that the ps3 is harder to develop for. And so these devs had some problems...

Though we also all know (apart from the blinded fanboys) that the ps3 is the most powerful console there is and if youve got devs who know how to use the ps3 we get things like KZ2, god of war 3 and Uncharted 2...

[jaidek]

I agree that the PS3 is a VERY powerful system. But here is the issue. It will only shine with 1st party games and exclusives. I have said it before, I think of my PS3 like I do my Wii. It offers amazing experiences when it comes to the exclusives. But everything else is just a gamble.

So the bigger question is can you judge a systems success only on exclusives? I am not sure you can.

[XboxGirl]

I agree the PS3 is the most powerful system for playing Blu-Rays not games. That's what you mean right? One game on that entire system plays and looks good, and its Uncharted. Killzone 2 has the same dank rusty in-door level over and over and over again. Nothing new and absolutely bores the hell out of me. Other than Killzone 2 having the longest and most expensive development cycle a console, Killzone 2 sucks. RUDONKYE.

[RealtorMDandDC]

Going back to playing Infamous, Killzone 2 & Uncharted 2 Beta..please IM me when something worth while comes out on 360.........this is getting ridiculous............we already know which console has the most raw power.....I will be playing it after work today........it's not the circumference of a circle........

[drdistracto707]

there are more xbots on here...

where have they been? Hiding from the shame they call 360?

[yorkie]

Wow what a clueless individual you are. Man people like you make me feel superior. LOLOLOL HAHAHAHAHAH LOLOLOL HAHAHAHAHA LOLOLOL HAHAH. If your making the point Uncharted 2 isn't out yet dont follow it up with your next point about Alan Wake cos that aint out either.