Metal Gear levelled "third-party playing field" says Kim, was key aim

Microsoft's Shane Kim has said that with the arrival of Metal Gear Solid on Xbox 360 they've achieved "a key part" of their strategy, to eliminate big third-party exclusives.

Content exclusive to platforms is still "really important," that will continue through first-party creations like Project Natal. Microsoft don't want to be "relying on third parties" anymore.

[WildArmed]

im sorry, but MG:R isnt something to brag about yet.
I dont even know if it'll stay true to the MGS franchise.
its lightening bolt action ..
loved mgs series for their espionage/stealth.
I hope they surprise me.

oh and how on earth do they plan on taking on Sony's first party devs.

either way, just secure some kickass 3rd party exclusives.. and ur good to go.
Can't wait for mass effect 2.. top on my list 4 pc/360 gaming atm :D
even tops crysis 2

[Hellsvacancy]

Its Metal Gear Spinoff does that retard Shane Kim not know that?

Hence y its called Metal Gear Risin NOT Metal Gear Solid!!!

[hay]

It's Metal Gear Solid: Rising to be precise but yeah, it's a spin-off. It went multiplat, cool, but as Kojima said, true MGS sequel is Peace Walker so MS achieved pretty much nothing here.

Also it's kinda sad that MS instead of building own army of exclusives are stealing them from Sony. I don't care much about multiplats since I prefer them on PC/PS3 but there are some exclusives worth buying Xbox for. So basically instead of making trading cards for their console, they're stealing it from others.
With all due respect but I think their BS got in their eyes and they hardly see what's important for gamers.

[La Chance]

Yeah like FF Versus is a spin off.

It is NOT a real FF game, it wont even have the same combat system that are characteristic of FF games. I mean they're aiming to have a Kingdom Hearts kind of gameplay!! COME ON!! Thats NOT a FF game just a stupid spin off

Hence why its called FF "VERSUS".

See what I did there ?

I for one as a 360 owner am delighted that MSFT are bringing all the best games that they possibly can to the 360 to please their users.

Aint no evil in that.

@Hells below : ok in your opinion and I respect that.
But the ones who actually creating both games agree that FF13 is the REAL sequel in the FF series and its marketed and developed as being the REAL sequel while Versus on the other hand according to its devs themselves is a "spin off" and being marketed as so.
And FF13 doesnt look any "girlier" than previous FF games such as FF8 or FF10 and looks more mature than FF9 for instance so I dont know what youre talking about. Maybe you havn't played an FF yet... ?

[Hellsvacancy]

Sorry brother but in my opinion (and i bet aint the only 1) FF-Versus is a TRUE Final Fantasy sequel NOT a spinoff - FF13 looks like a girls game thats y i didnt give a toss that it went multiplat (same goes 4 Mgspinoff) where as Versus looks more hardcore - which suits my likin

[YogiBear]

Final Fantasy games needed an upgrade anyway because turn based sucks.

[Why o why]

sony doesnt have games remember. They only become 'OMG Itz teh sh!tz' when they become 'mee too's. MS was ALWAYS playing catchup when it comes to games and lets not deflect and act like it isnt the main reason we buy consoles in the first place. The reason why most ps fans sh!t on MS fans is because they never give credit where its due. Its always 'ours is better' or 'Itz a movie' until you can have a piece. Its hypocritical to say thge least and in some instances it goes both ways but none the less Sony has more games, more exclusives and the means to produce more whilst MS are playing catchup which is why they have to make a statement about a spinoff. Im not saying its going to suck because i want to buy it but what would YOU rather have MGS4 or 5 or MG R.......im sure you'll say the latter, hence my point. 1 thing i do agree with though is that MS are doing good by their fans. I mean who wouldnt want what the kool kids have;)

You dont need to level anything if you're in front....go figure and a multiplatform game is not the same as something that started off as an exclusive like FF13....FF13 versus, Agent, Mgs4...those are different and people need to acknowledge that for real

Imagine if a halo or gears spinoff landed on the ps3. You guys wouldnt be pissed you'd just laugh and tell it like it is...ITS NOT THE REAL THING just a spinoff....product extension maybe like a mars icescream bar....it just isnt the same as a good ol mars bar

[ultimolu]

Very true Why o why, very true.

[TheBlackSmoke]

While i dont have any doubt rising will be a good game, Metal gear solid 4 was the final ending to the saga we have been following over the last 10 years. Microsoft can brag all they want about acquiring mgs but the fact remains they showed up after the party when the janitor is sweeping confetti off the floor. Its like bragging about watching Rocky 5 as your first Rocky movie if you get what i mean.

@ la chance

Using FF is a bad example for a comeback because each FF is a self contained game. Each FF game is its own unique experience so its irrelevant if you have played any of the others.

[lloyd_wonder]

Makes sense, but wasn't Agent and FFXIV announced as exclusives? Must not have happened....

[StanLee]

Okay, fanboyism aside, let's be honest here; even if Agent turns out to be a fantastic offering, it will never have the cultural significance and impact the Grand Theft Auto franchise has had. Grand Theft Auto IV's simultaneous multiplatform launch validated Microsoft as a real player in the console gaming market and legitimized it's console. Secondly, FFXIV is an MMO similar to FFXI and Square Enix has confirmed that they're considering other platforms for the title. Let's break it down; if it's announced for the PC and PS3, what other platforms could they possibly be considering? Finally, Metal Gear Solid Rising is a Metal Gear game being made by the production company spearheaded by the game's creator and bears his name. Trust that he will be actively involved in directing the game's story, crafting the game's characters and world and ensuring it meets the quality of a product being created by HIS company. I know fanboys would like to tell themselves otherwise but this is a FACT. I really wish common sense could prevail over rampant fanboyism.

[qface64]

the thing that go me scratching my head was when i read this
"Microsoft don't want to be "relying on third parties" anymore."

most of their big upcoming games are from a third party
heck ALLOT of 360's big exclusives come from 3rd parties

the 360 has the weakest 1st party development out of the 3

if you ask me that's what microsoft needs to be doing with those millions they are throwing around focus it on their first party developers

[JokesOnYou]

I'm a gamer and if they can manage to bring games like Gears, SC:Conviction, ME2 etc to 360 over its life cycle why in the hell do I care if it comes from "a studio micro purchased"(1st party) or from "a independent studio micro paid fo and individual game"(3rd party) to make a 360 game??? Thats what you guys don't get 99% of the gamers don't give a shiii whether a exclusive is made by 1st or 3rd party...if its a good game they're just glad to play it....wheres the Console Rule Book that says how many 1st party studio's you have to own, and read me the line that says buying more exclusives from 3rd party vs inhouse is a "NO, NO". lmfao...you kids are just upset micro's current strategy is working so well.=

JOY

[Mindsucker]

Dude come on #1 you are no gamer you are a weak ass insane fanboy #2 MS current strategy is lower price below your competitors price range, market the hell out of every popular game you have as exclusive namely gears & halo, and get as much media propaganda and you can buy for yourself. To me that spells one thing they are worried about there long term market value. Maybe if you were not such a fanboy you might get some better incite

[JokesOnYou]

"#1 you are no gamer you are a weak ass insane fanboy"

-tsk, tsk name calling only demonstrates the lack of a reasonable response on your part, wait I'll show you how its done:

"#2 MS current strategy is lower price below your competitors price range, market the hell out of every popular game you have as exclusive namely gears & halo,"

-uhm since when did making your competing product more affordable to the masses and then marketing your most popular content(exclusive games) that compliment that product become a "BAD" thing.

"and get as much media propaganda and you can buy for yourself. To me that spells one thing they are worried about there long term market value."

-Oh boy, here we go again, whenever micro doesn't do well, its always "See I told you xbots the 360 sucks", when it does well its the same old tired line about how the media is paid off, lol get a grip on reality.

"Maybe if you were not such a fanboy you might get some better incite"

-First of all its clear you are the one who has tunnel vision, Second if you're going to attempt to lecture somebody about "incite" make sure spell it correctly, as "insight" and "incite" have two different meanings and its apparent by the context of you comment you should have used "insight". Stay in school, kiddo.=

JOY

[YogiBear]

Are you on Microsoft's payroll? You defend them tooth and nail every time someone criticizes. Oh well.

By the way, Jack Nicholson was better. :)

[Mindsucker]

right there Joy I did mean to use the word Insight not incite but the rest of you comment is a pathetic and weak attempt to make your fascist blind loyalty to Microsoft justified. Fact is you tools cower and hide behind your own false reality.

yes selling you product at such a low price makes you look weak if the two products were sold at the same price the Xbox would only sell to you pathetic fanatics. It says, to the consumer, that you are getting a lower quality product.
and if you disagree explain.

Yes Microsoft owns a media company "MSNBC / MSN" they are heavily involved with marketing there product there sources the public trust to tell the truth and derailing the competition thru those same sources

There is such a thing as over marketing you product too much it creates a numbness to the product.

[KingKionic]

Shane kim has a point. Fist party titles do matter. Well mgs : Risi be good.ng will

[ssipmraw]

fist party for the win

[SpoonyRedMage]

Just because it's a spin off doesn't mean it'll be bad.

Most of you are hyping FF Versus XIII and that's a spin off.

MS are slowly building up their first parties now but they have a long way to go before they can match the quantity of Sony's first parties.

[qface64]

there are 2 things that might make the game bad at least for me

1. im not a fan of raiden as cool as he was in MGS4 after seeing his naked flips i was never able to look him in a cool way the flips man THE NAKED FLIPS

2.the rumored action gameplay no knowing how this might turn out

its not the fact that its a spinoff allot of good games were spinoffs
but as of now i have no reason to get excited from MGSR

[lloyd_wonder]

It's not only about quantity. It took Sony years to build the quality studios they have; they were built through long standing relationships. You don't just go out buying studios and expect quality from all of them.

[SpoonyRedMage]

Well yer, I'm not looking forward to it either but I'm not instantly assuming it's bad.

I thought an article came out recently that said Kojima was actually heavily involved with the game?

@^: That's not true in all cases, look at Guerilla. Their takeover was rather quick and Guerilla was unproven at the time. MS certainly has the quality with the few studios they have, they just don't have enough of them.

[life doomer]

"Most of you are hyping FF Versus XIII and that's a spin off."

ff vs. 13 is not a spin off. It's a completely different game like every other ff game. The only thing that is different between them is the title.

[threepy]

MGS should be a stealth game. "Lightning bolt action" doesn't seem like a stealth game to me. It has a game with the MGS name. It doesn't have a stealth game made by Kojima...

Good for them, I hope the action game is good. But I wish they'd shut up for a bit about it because we don't even know if it will be good yet. All their bragging is showing is they care more about the name of the game than how it's actually going to play. I'd rather they focus on just getting good games and making good games, than getting famous games.

And eliminating 3rd party exclusives won't do anything major. Sony have some brilliant 1st party studios, something Microsoft have few of.

[PotNoodle]

They want to eliminate 3rd party exclusivity? Why? Shouldn't they at least be getting their first party stuff together before they do that?

[Meus Renaissance]

It's a well known fact their first party development resources are not on the same scale which is why they've had to open the cheque book in re-balancing that. Despite this, 3rd parties have been more associated with Microsoft than any other platform so clearly that tact has worked.

[robotnik]

Shame King, you suck.

[-MD-]

LOL you're so pissed! I love this!

[DNAgent]

I'll buy this on the superior...Oh wait, i'm not buying this. I doubt I will even play it as it's a spinoff using the worst character in the MGS universe. I know for sure I won't buy it though as it would be embarrassing to have in my collection. I might still rent it but that depends on how the game is and if the reviews don't point out that it's garbage.

[themyk]

i wouldn't call raiden the worst character in mgs universe. i mean he was pretty awesome in mgs4. probably made the coolest entrance i've ever seen when we first see him in that game.but i do agree that this one is just a spin off and probably doesn't deserve the mgs moniker. not that it will be a bad game. oh yeah, hey murderdolls what would you be telling us ps3 kids if somebody other than cliffy b. made a spinoff from gears of war from the third or fourth main character of that game. i'm sure youd be all over us saying everything you could to dis credit the game so what ever. it's the nature of fanboys.

[Darrius Cole]

Solid, Liquid, Solidus, Naomi, Otacon, Sunny, Vamp, Ocelot, Eva, Mai Ling, Meryl, Akiba, Big Boss, Boss, Gray Fox.....Raiden.

Yeah, I hadn't thought about it, until now and although I wouldn't say he was a bad character, Raiden probably is the worst character in the MG universe, or at least tied for it. However, let me reiterate that I don't think he is a bad character. There are no bad characters in the Metal Gear Universe. The only thing bad about the Metal Gear universe was when Liquid's spirit had supposedly taken over Ocelot's body through his arm. That was bad.

[Gue1]

Darrius Cole, there's no spirit of Liquid anywhere. Acelot induced himself to believe that he was Liquid utilizing nano-machines and therapies. That's all brrrrrootheeerrr.

BTW what's the point in having a Metal Gear game without having the others? You are not going to understand anything about the story anyway... The same with the rumors of Kingdom Hearts 3 on Wii. Haven't you seen how complicated is the story on both games?

[Beast_Master]

So if 3rd Parties don't matter, or the playing field is leveled and MS is going to push there own 1st party stuff...Then what about Splinter Cell, L4D2 and Mass Effect 2? If all those go to PS3 then all MS will have is Rare Games, Moloneux, Halo and Gears. That is like 2 or 3 first/second (Epic & Bungie) party games a year. I guess they figure all you need is a Gears or Halo game every year and you will be straight.

[MGOelite]

why do people think that the entire mgs series is exclussive? mgs2 was on xbox

[DNAgent]

I guess xbots just need to hype multiplatform games as they have nothing else to hype (or play for that matter). Just look at Ghostbusters. The xbots hyped that game up like it was going to be special and it can easily be beaten within a day and is a rental at best. The xbots even thought that them having this spinoff was them stealing an exclusive despite the game being announced for the 360 first and then PC & PS3 versions were confirmed after Microsoft's conference. It's just the usual xbots grasping for straws as usual.

[ssipmraw]

the only place where you can have the complete metal gear experience is on playstation hardware.

disagree alll you want your just in denial:

metal gear - on ps2
metal gear 2 - on ps2
metal gear solid - on ps1
metal gear solid 2 - on ps2
metal gear solid 3 - on ps2
metal gear acid - psp
metal gear acid 2 - psp
metal gear solid portable ops - psp
metal gear solid peace walker -psp
metal gear solid 4 - on ps3
metal gear rising - ps3

[Rob0g0rilla]

wrong reply

[-MD-]

"360 first and then PC & PS3 versions were confirmed after Microsoft's conference"

Kinda like how it'll happen to FF14 only the other way around right?

[themyk]

hey murderdolls you again huh. haven't they pretty much canceled all the mmo's for the 360. why would they pull this one to the 360? ps3 has quite a few mmo's in the works. so yeah theres that.

[-MD-]

The difference here is the 360 actually has playable MMOs you just have broken promises. Yeah having FF11 on 360 and FF14 on PS3 totally makes sense right? Grow a brain it'll get ported over when they see the awful sales. So yeah there's that.

[ssipmraw]

i can play ffXI on my ps2! dont you feel special now! i can also play it on my ps3!

[Meus Renaissance]

I still think they should have bought BioWare. Microsoft Game Studios isn't as big or as varied as the in-house dev teams Sony has.

[ceedubya9]

That's one group that they should have snatched up quickly.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

I didn't know the REAL MGS Series was all 'Lightning Bolt Action'??? ;-D
I must of been playing it all wrong!!! ;-D

+ BEST Bit of E3 was -

When that M$ guy at the M$ E3 Show said we have
'Snake on xBox 360 now'
and Kojima said -
'NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! NOT!!! SNAKE!!!' ;-D ;-D ;-D

F-IN CLASSIC STUFF!!! ;)

[-MD-]

"When that M$ guy at the M$ E3 Show said we have
'Snake on xBox 360 now'
and Kojima said -
'NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! NOT!!! SNAKE!!!'"

That was rehearsed for all you idiots out there.

[ssipmraw]

just like how this was rehearsed

M$ FTL!

[Deadman64]

Cmon now, don't bust on sir ken. His lack of friends/sunlight is his demise, cut him some slack.

[AngryTypingGuy]

I always seem to disagree with Ken, but I've respected his somewhat intelligent/witty comments, until today. Ken, if you can't tell that his "I never said anything about Snake" line was scripted, then you are an F'ing idiot.

[PopEmUp]

Please look at yourselves for once, you are the same as him a no life, that whining at everything also including trolling, and spending time on this site 24/7 damn, you need clubbing man, get outside and starting having life dude!!

[RumbleFish]

It is the end of outstanding third party games. Third party devellopments will be mediocre like all multiplatform games. It's pretty easy to see the consequences: tho good coders and artists will all try to work for first and second party devellopers and exclusives will only become more important and even better.

Please excuse any bad spelling or grammar, I'm from Germany.

[Pizzagaki]

Lol, angry fanboys again, do you really think that the MS pr guys, or the 360 fans care what ps3 fanboys think about it ?

We just care about the game.

[Rob0g0rilla]

But it isn't MGS4 or 5. This is like FFVII exclusive to PS and bragging that Dirge of Cerberus is multiplat. I honestly would of preferred they used that money to make a new first party game instead and show that off for 10 minutes. I hope this isn't a sign at what they plan on doing at every E3.

[Pizzagaki]

Depends, how awesome Rising will be.
Its too early to compare it to dirge of cerberus (which was crap).
Also, there is no indication either that Rising is the only 360 metal gear.

For all you know the next Metal gear featuring snake will also go to the 360.

@below, the psp metal gear isnt about snake either.
That one is about the big boss.

@ further below, when people refer to snake, aka The snake, they obviously mean Solid snake, and not naked snake.

Or would you consider a game starring liquid snake to be a snake game as well ?
Naked snake and solid snake are not the same guys.

[qface64]

the next metal gear featuring snake will not go to the 360 because its going to the PSP x]

after playing MGS4 snake is done its over for him hes retired

but they will wanna continue snakes adventures so who knows maybe they will come up with a crazy story to bring him back

[PotNoodle]

Pizzagaki, yes it will... naked snake, the original snake.

[saimcheeda]

getting titles to be multi isnt a big deal...getting exclusives is!M$ may have been able to get 3rd party titles but they cant get 1st and 2nd...and they dont have any great exclusives either...M$ Exclusive list...Halo, Gears of War, Halo, Gears of War, Halo, Gears of War, Gay guy game....M$ is definitely gonna lose next gen

[timmyrulz]

I think most of you are failing to remember that when compared to the last generation, the playing field for 3rd party games has narrowed A HELL of alot, which as this guy says "part of their strategy", when it comes to the next gen the only 3rd party exclusives will be ruled by the cheque book

[get2sammyb]

So essentially - "our key aim was to take the Playstation experience, mimick it and then offer it for cheaper on sub-standard hardware".

Thank God for first party developers. Microsoft can NEVER compete with Sony on a first-party level.

[Pizzagaki]

Lets compare this years sony lineup with this years 360 lineup.

And your telling me it cant compete ?
How much you wanna bet that Splinter cell, Forza and Halo will outscore Uncharted in sales/reviews, which imho, are the only factors that matter if you are a game developer.

[KingKionic]

....

[jay2]

MS can burn in hell, just because HD-DVD failed does mean they have to make Blu-ray suffer by paying $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for games to go M/plat and be restricted to 8GB when they could have FIFTY GB!

[Pizzagaki]

4 x 8 gb = 32 gb.

Mgs4 = 31 gb, and consist of 50 % of uncompressed audio.
Which means, when audio is compressed, Metal gear 4 fits on 3 dvd9's.

@below
The security file per disc is only 800 mb big, a dvd9 hold 8.5 gb, which means that 7.7 gb is avaible per disc.
Thats only a little less then 8gb

And if you compress all the audio data on the blu ray disc, the game becomes much smaller.

[onanie]

I believe only 6.8gb is available. You're a little optimistic with your calculations.

http://download.microsoft.c...

A microsoft presentation, which mentioned DVD9 capacity.

[Persistantthug]

I was trying and hoping to check it out, but I can't. How can it be opened...I don't see a file extention/codec.

[Mr Face Creamer]

You slaves still don't realize that you have nothing left in your puny excuse for a next-gen console in terms of franchises... We got Resident Evil, GTA, Metal Gear, Devil May Cry and Final Fantasy all thanks to you and all the other beloved sony slaves out there who made this possible.

Remember when all you slaves and droids said that you will buy this since its about the almighty 1337 "Raiden" and that it will be a PS exclusive? Hah, those were good times. But now that the fact that this is coming to the 360 all you slaves suddenly hate it.

Pathetic droids, you always admit your own defeat after you claim your victory over your rivals.

[ssipmraw]

meh i still get to play mgs4 while you dont :D

[ShabzS]

man i'm just glad i get to play mgs now ... this is something i honestly thought i'd never get to play if i chose the 360... microsoft cared enough for it to happen... and shane kim has a point here ... they are really levelling up the playing field this gen...

Edit: come on guys we are talking about kojima here... he'll definitely be involved in some form or the other with mgsR... this is HIS game, HIS story and frnachise and he's not gonna send out a half as*ed game for a major multi plat release...

[PotNoodle]

While i agree that people are blowinwg the fact Kojima says he won't be designing the game or anything like that out of proportion - since you know, there are people working on that title who have been around the MGS series for years, kojima's way of designing games will of rubbed off on them..

But, i don't think kojima will go back on his word when it comes to this title - he will nosey around on it, but he will try and stay away from it, this has been his plan for years now, getting the younger staff to try and take the metal gear series into different directions so when he decides to retire or just move onto different franchises - his younger staff will be capable enough to do carry it on.

I really don't get the hate for this game, MGS4 has been my favourite game this generation - i will be buying Rising on my PS3 instead of 360, but its a metal gear game!

Why are people all of a suddenly HATING it just because it is multiplatform? Give it a chance, you should want it to be good, not because the 360 has it too, but because YOU can play it also.

[ShabzS]

exactly ... be happy, becoz you get to play the game not becoz the other guy doesn't .... well said brother.. bubble up

[RumbleFish]

to be honest, I can't imagine that Kojima will let "his baby" go down with a crappy spin off. Even if he prefers the PS 3, he will start working on MGS: R as soon as he sees the MGS franchise in danger of loosing prestige.

He's not the type that watches that great thing he built up in many years of hard work going down in mediocrity!

No way!

[HDgamer]

Rumblefish I doubt you played Metal gear solid Twin Snakes.

[RumbleFish]

That's true. Educate me!

[San Frandisco]

damn,how many times are you ppl gunna be retarted over the original xbox port of MGS2?? really? c'mon man...

kojima said (and im to lazy to find it so go find it yourselves),that the ONLY reason it was ported to the xbox was becouse he was pissed that some ppl broke MGS2's street date.

IDIOTS!

[Mr Face Creamer]

This same kind of scenario also happened to me, I once bought a 1000$ camera that was so bad to the point that I felt like I was ripped off... So I decided to buy a 100 cameras of the same kind and throw them out for free so that I may torcher other people with this sh1tty camera! MUHAHAHA! Best 100,000$ I've ever spent in my life!

[thereapersson]

Instead of providing original, first and second-party content, they are more than happy to just open their wallet and buy whatever anyone else is creating.

Sounds about right

[Pizzagaki]

And still MS got a bigger exclusive lineup then sony.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

I never buy multi-plat games even in the PS2 days, the only multi-plat games that I bought for the PS3 were DMC4 (which sucked so bad thanks to the 360) and Burnout Paradise which only now has recently got the new island which would've been there from the start if it wasn't for the 360's DVD9. Even the crash breaker, replays & 2 player split-screen were removed because of the dam DVD9, MS completely ruined one of best racing games off all time and now whats worse is that every Burnout game that comes out after Paradise is going to be multi-plat and it's also going to be flipping open world from now on (Nooooooooooo!!)

But anyway's MGSR will suck because its multi-plat and because the MGS story is basically finished so Ridens story will probably be some made up crap that's not even part of the game.

[Idid not murder him]

What a dumb & sad human waste...

Keep crying & begging for good exclusives cause you got none this year beside Forza & it's not even in the same league with NFS series & sme DLCs & keep hyping those multiplatform games cause they look better than your precious flop exclusives LMAO!...

Resident Evil, GTA, MGS & FF were also on other platforms stupid, but then again your bot a malfunctioned Micro$oft slave who was born stupid.

[kingboy]

MGS 5 FTW with Solid Snake back in business ..and guest what that will be exclusive again haha

[Pizzagaki]

How do you know ?
Got anything to back that up ?

[clintos59]

Ppl might not like there stradegy by trying to steal away big third party franchises which use to be exclusive on playstation but wat else can they really do? Im not tryna defend microsoft but if u really look at it, sales wise, microsoft knows damn well that an 8 million lead isnt enough to guarantee them a victory over sony. Just look at the sales number and console price differences and I myself wouldnt be calling this victory yet.

Id be kind of worried because in my mind id be thinking ok so if there consoles are not far behind us in sales every month in the US where its our strongest market at the high price tag the ps3 is now and we have an sku that is cheaper then the wii in the market aswell, what are we going to do when they drop the price?

Kind of scary if u ask me. U guys think if sony had an sku out selling for $199, its not going to sell? I can almost guarantee a sell out in every store like we seen the wii do but I think it will sell even better and the demand will be very high.

[clintos59]

Remember sony isnt just your average rival. This is the only company to come into the gaming industry and sell 100 million+ units for each system they brang out. If microsoft or nintendo dont do anything to stop them, sony can turn these sales to a one console race.

Anyways this is for shane kim. So your saying now that MGSR is on your platform, sony really doesnt have nothing from third party companies u guys have to worry about?

Ok guys lets start the votes here and even though ill be picking up MGSR I am going to go on a limb and say, Agent will be a bigger hit then MGSR. But im banking both games will be good in there own right, I say this because rock* north, these guys make nuttin but gold. What u guys think? Remember this is also just my opinion so dont throw your avatar shoes at me if u think im being fanboyish. :)

[giovonni]

Has come a long way in in such a short time in the gaming market. I think some of you are missing some of the true signs of what's going on. Yes MGSR is a spin off, but if you really look at MS's game division it is the Youngest out of the three and look how much they have achevied in such a short time.

With this move if MGSR sells well for Microsoft that may mean the next installments of MGS could come to the Xbox Division. I also hear allot of people saying how MG came to Xbox as a port and didn't sell well. One thing these people fail to mention is this port was already played and beat by millions, two Xbox didn't have a large fan bases, and three it was the same game with a few minor tweeks.

Now, on to the topic at hand. I think this is a win for Microsoft, but a changing of the guard for the gaming community as a whole. We are watching as the video game market is slowing trying to push in the direction of the casual gamer by offering user friendly controls, muti console support etc. So, don't be surpised in the next five years when 3rd party support matters little to the success of a console

[StrboyM]

is like a car without wheels...it doesn't go anywhere

arent any of you M$ fans wondering why when you finally get MGS on the 360 it DOSENT have the only character that has been in every MGS and hat the series is based off of. are you people just happy that Kojima (who is a hell of a lot richer thanks to M$) slapped the "Metal Gear" title on it?

if you are satisfied!!!!, send me all your games and ill gladly spray paint ps3 titles on em for you....lmao "God of war" on

[rucky]

It's kinda like getting Super Mario Bros: Yoshi's Adventure but what can you do, they even think Halo ODST actually Halo without Master Chief.

[Rowsdower]

some of you people on this site make me sick. this is what its come to has it? the only thing that keeps my spirits up about gamers is knowing that the majority of gamers dont come to this site, and of those that do the majority dont read the comments, and of those that do read the comments an even smaller number writes and responds to the comments.

My meaning?

We are a sad small group of whiners who give the "gamer" a bad name. It depresses me to acknowledge that I am one of you, I guess its part of some personality disorder. pathetic all of us.

[donnie-2105]

FOR GODS SAKE dont be so serious whats wrong with having a bit of light hearted passion for your hobby? nobobys being hurt (except sony fanboys egos)

[giovonni]

Many, and sometimes my self get caught in the mix of who's better then or has more then you spill. A lot of gamers here just look at the surface, and make claims. The bad part is they rarely look at the business aspects of the industry, and focus on brand loyalty with out really looking at the market as a whole. We can blame this on being spoiled due to a one console past. So, the changes that are coming to pass are due to stiff competition from all three gaming divisions. It's good for gamers, but at the end the brand loylist is the one hurting.

[donnie-2105]

Getting metal gear for xbox took away sonys last big 3rd party game and with it another reason for joe public to go green instead of black.yes i know ps3 has infamous,unchated lbp etc but how many "non hardcore"gamers have heard of these.not that many going of sales.when mgs rising is released i can even see it selling more and looking better on 360 unless it retains the massive cut scenes which i very much doubt.to quote micheal corleone in godfather2 "if history has taught us anything its that multiplatforms are superior on 360" will there be a MGS5 if this series equals MGS4 sucess i very much doubt it.

[KilZoneGeneralStrife]

Im not sure what that dudes been smokin but he definitly wasnt paying attention when it was stated 'Sony Keeps Snake', Raidans a cool character and all. . .but. . . .it just wont be Tactical.Espionage.Action

[donnie-2105]

THE METAL gear universe will carry on with the multi RISING mgs4 was the last in the metal gear solid series sadly for sony

[LiL T]

How come it seems like MS wants all Sony's 3rd party games ( and eve 1st/2nd party) but Sony doesn't want any MS games. Just wondering, maybe im wrong but that's how it seems.

[Kugar77]

its sony's 3rd party games last generation that dominated the xbox. regardless sony still has the best lineup even without those game , plus they have the incoming exclusives from the developers that got bought out from ms (sony=godfather, other developers apolgize for selling out by giving it new and exciting IP)

[kewlkat007]

Crazy...damn it feels good to be a gamer(multi-console ownership)..hehe

If the franchise have indeed gone multiplat then it might be a done deal.

[jackdoe]

Hod does this change anything? Console exclusives (whether third party or first) are still as important as ever so the playing field has remained the same.

[KilZoneGeneralStrife]

3rd 360 broke.I just went and got another.I simply dont trust my 360s hardware. After my fifa08 and fifa09 got cracked in it.I just couldnt risk my games anymore.So,I just trust my ps3 more.

[LiL T]

How come it seems like MS wants all Sony's 3rd party games ( and eve 1st/2nd party) but Sony doesn't want any MS games. Just wondering, maybe im wrong but that's how it seems. Excusives seem to be better on any system anyways due to the fact dev's dont have to split resources or budget.

[guerojose]

Regardless of how big/small the Metal Gear game ends up being, I think everyone is missing the key point here.

By saying "...a level third-party playing field. Now we've effectively done that...", Kim is acknowledging that all the previous statements MS made, about what fantastic 3rd party support they had, were LIES.

He's acknowledging that, in truth, MS has been keenly aware all along that their 3rd party support sucks. Better late than never, I guess. But it would make any rational person question just how big a lie THIS particular PR spin is. I fail to see how this one game levels anything, especially in light of all the new 3rd party PS3 exclusives that others have pointed out. But MS has had remarkable success with the whole "perception is reality" Jedi mind trick (Natal being the latest example), so I can't blame them for sticking with it, I guess.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Never and I repeat NEVER has the 360 suffered from poor third party support.

Maybe you are referring to the original Xbox? Which the only reason it had poor support was because the PS2 was the system being catered to mainly. Those days are long gone.

I think what he is acknowledging is the the entire 3rd party field is now leveled because there were 2 franchises they wanted in their portfolio FF and MGS.

[guerojose]

That makes no sense, and I repeat, that makes no sense.

Then why is it such a concern of MS to "level" the 3rd party playing field? Just what about it has been unlevel in their eyes, and why have they paid huge sums to companies like Square and Rockstar to buy their way into Playstation franchises?

Obviously Kim is more willing to admit the obvious than you are. Perhaps you feel the mere existence of ANY 3rd party titles, as opposed to actually GOOD ones, is what's important. As far as "the entire 3rd party field is now leveled": you can keep saying it, but it don't make it so.

P.S. I'm still trying to work out Kim's pretzel-logic: "We need to get 3rd party games, so that we can not rely on 3rd party games, and develop our poor 1st party offerings". Rrrrriiiiiight...

[Gamer_Politics]

MS now has major 3rd party support so now they can focus on bringing us some huge first party titles

[solsub]

Yup. They'll finally get to do with Sony has been doing for PS gamers for years. Well, if their studios measure up, that is.

I'm sure they will.

[Dead_Cell]

Scroll up and read Xjxdogggystle's typing,it's hilariously retarded.
Stupidity like that should be pointed and laughed at by everybody.

[peeps]

big news for ms seems to be getting multi-platform games. Really they need to be bigging up their exclusive games a lot more. If they want ps3 owners to buy 360's, getting ps3 games to go multi-plat isn't gonna cut it.

perhaps it can help ppl who are deciding which console to get this gen (coming from owning ps2's etc) butfor someone like me, i used to get multiplats on 360 and exclusives on both 360 and ps3. now i get all games on ps3 and just keep my 360 for exclusives like halo, gears and forza. If it wernt for the 360's exclusive games, i could easily just sell it and be happy with my ps3

[solsub]

The MGS franchise died with MGS4, and what an extravagant death that was. I'm glad to have enjoyed it.

I'll probably give MGS:R a look. Honestly though, this whole "lightning bolt action" or whatever that sh!t is doesn't sit well with me. Couple that with the fact that every MG spin-off has been somewhat sub-par and there is very little reason for any true MG fan to get overly excited for this one.

Btw, don't even try to denounce me as a MG fan. I've been one long before most of you have even picked up a controller.

[xdye017]

You ps3 fanboys are retarded. The MGS franchise NEVER began on the PS. It began on MSX and MS was part of MSX idiots! So in reality MGS belongs to MS! Now feel sad and hit the disagree button!

[Dead_Cell]

Because the thought of Microsoft begging for a franchise you think they "own" and are only just getting it is kinda embarassing.

[Veneno]

that it's bringing this generation of gaming into a Dark Age.

[Socomer 1979]

What's ip's has xbox established & built from the ground up?
Not many.

If I constantly create something that the competition always wants why would I even care about the few things the competition created? I won't. Especially if I'm on fire & never running out of ideas.

Microsoft has just made it's fanbase constantly watching out for playstation games.
To me that's just sealing your own fate as each customer will 1 day have to decide
Where are games at?

[MetalGearBear]

MGSR=EPIC FAIL!!!!!

[KilZoneGeneralStrife]

Ace Combat 6.I have it for 360,multiplayer is FREAKN awesome! ! ! But,my xbl expired. . .being a student,its tough getting by. . .even paying for XBL that costs U.S $120 here.so. . .If I had AC6 on my ps3. . .just WOW.I played that game to death., p.s I should say,Ace Combat . . .come back home to PS3. . .i own every single one from AC1

[TheBlackSmoke]

" Now that we have Metal gear solid we are now sony in 2005 "

Yeahh... good luck with that.

This gen is really starting to suck. Microsoft had a chance to come up with their own identity and make the competition intersting but in the end the 360 has basically become the economy version of the PS3.

Also Metal gear solid was never exclusive to playstation and mgs2 had already been on xbox. The reason mgs3 and 4 were on PS3 only was because it sold like sh!t on the xbox. Every true mgs fan owns a PS3 already.

[Enigma_2099]

... so they finally get a MGS game... BIG DEAL!!! Let them enjoy it!!! If anything, it shows how hypocritical they are!!! These ARE, in fact, the SAME people that claimed not to care about MGS IV... now they think Metal Gear's the best thing since sliced bread!

[peeps]

"I refuse to be a part of this argument"

"it shows how hypocritical they are!!! "

re-read what you just wrote :p

[Enigma_2099]

.. then get back to me...

[devilhunterx]

Wait if PS3 has no games, then how can M$ steal?

Mind boggling.

[JonnyBigBoss]

But first party they can't compete...

[Crystallis]

FF VS XIII is not a spinoff. It has nothing to do with FFXIII. Its obvious the MGSR is part of the story from MGS4 hence its called a spinoff.

The only spinoff FF was FFX-2 which dealt with FFX.

[Karum]

No offence to MS but I know who'se first party games I'd be putting my money on, or rather spending money on.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

"Microsoft don't want to be "relying on third parties" anymore. "

I don't think this is a direct quote from Kim because the grammar is bad. However, this is the type of stuff I want to hear!!! Unfortunately you have yet to show it Kim/MS! You are talking about Natal as a big first party project so I'm taking it MS is going to dedicate it's first parties to mainly developing Wii clone party games.

Just keep that up and you will be sitting in last place even quicker than everyone expects you to get there.

Your core want AAA first party blockbusters that push the 360 to it's limits but funny thing I don't think Kim or MS have that on their minds at all. For me in 2009 MS's first party is non-existent and even for much of 08 everything they did first party was met with critical failure(sans Fable 2 and somewhat Halo Wars).

So I see them doing Halo and more Halo and then some more Halo and then telling all it's core/hardcore gamers "seeeeee we give you hardcore games! Here is 10 variations of Halo and 20 map packs for Gears of War 27"

MS first party = fail to the hardcore 360 owners.

[Unicron]

Agreed.

[All-3]

How is it in any way - theft? The PS3 still gets those once exclusive-to-playstation game franchises, doesn't it?

... and how is this 'real MGS game' such a victory among posters in this site - when it's a PSP and not a PS3 game? How is the gameplay so different that it COULD NOT be made on the PS3 as Kojima Productions have stated?

[Dragnipur]

Well in my opinion I don't see MGS: Rising as something near and dear to Kojima, I can almost see the hand of Konami behind all the machinations behind this game. I'm pretty sure the buzzword for this game as its in development is "western appeal" this isn't a game being aimed at the Japanese market.

With the video of MGS: Peacewalker, you can tell that this is the game that Kojima is most interested in working in, its a shame they didn't bother to think about have a PS2 port for that as well, sure that wouldn't be too bothersome, as a last farewell game from Kojima for the console that made MGS matter!

Microsoft are doing well, they have some amazing games lined up, but I wonder how long before they have to break the piggy bank in the name of getting a few more exclusives, a method and approach which isn't conducive for the financial benefit of any business! Basically Microsoft have all but convinced the development community at large that its in their best interest to launch games multi-platform, and I can just see them all in a boardroom touting sales figures for GTAIV, Street Fighter 4, Devil May Cry 4, as all the reasons for making such moves....

[keysy420]

doesnt level the feild

[yorkie]

Gotta agree with you, that xjdoggydo is a blast think I'll track him he
makes me laugh.

[PELVIC THRUST ACTION]

Then get up off your ass and make some games then. I won't believe it until you show me something powerful, like a dream where you go to work naked.

[360_Rules]

You know that means the PS3 version is going to suck! Hahahahahaha Droids even Kojima can't fix that. Hahahahhahahahaahaa

[ArcticWolfUK]

lol no

mgs4 is better than any 360 game.

[Expy]

"Microsoft don't want to be "relying on third parties" anymore. "

- Mass Effect
- Gears of War
- Splinter Cell: Conviction

[ArcticWolfUK]

kojima dont care about rising, its a side story and if he can more money off it he will. just cause xbox has rising dont mean every mgs game from now on will be multiplatform.