Metal Gear Solid: Rising won't use MGS4 Engine

Examiner: "Metal Gear Solid: Rising won't be using the same engine as Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots."

[really duh]

Good to hear I hope the tighten up the gameplay mechanics and the AI.

[Genesis5]

Well no kidding that engine was optimized for the cell.

[Greywulf]

Honest question here. Because my jaw is honestly on the ground at the level of ignorance.

Metal Gear Solid 4 is one of the most advanced game engines ever made for a gaming console. The only thing to improve on is to make the game stream, but unfortunately for the 360, No games have been shown to stream with a heavy graphical loads without chugging or using loading gimmicks like elevators/hallways. And multiplats have a uphill battle since streaming for 2 specifications, which includes 1 unit without a hard drive, is a tall order.

Let me guess, A.I/brown was no problem for the Gears of War audience right?

Pretending Metal Gear Solid 4's engine isn't remarkable is one thing, but then pretending that the color has anything to do with the engine is another.

Thats just, sad.

edit:

Nevermind, you've clearly never played MGS4. Each Act had its own color harmony. the opening act was brown. Hell an entire part of the game is white. Yet, you're all dying to play Metal Gear.

And in all fairness, this proves that the 360 can't run PS3 engines. but the PS3 can run 360 exclusive engines perfectly fine, sure with aliased edge here, and a rough texture there. But runs it never the less. Not sure why you guys aren't catching onto that. They have a complete engine working on a ps3, which created one of the worlds most graphically advanced engines..

That wont run on the 360. This throws all the multiplatform comparisons out the window with the simple choice of konami deciding its more cost effective to not try to get the Year old MGS4 engine running on a 360. But that a middleware solution will be better. Where as other developers easily PORT 360 engines to the PS3.

[RememberThe357]

Yeah, you never played MGS4... Go to sleep.

[lloyd_wonder]

MGS4's engine can't run on the 360. Fact.

MGS4 looks better than any game out.

[DevastationEve]

not a credible source anyway, but...come on! that's to be expected.

kojima optimized the hell outta the engine in place for mgs4 on ps3. but the very same can be done xbox 360, you guys are SO way in over your heads. a game engine is a suite of code, that's all. kojima and his programmers worked with ps3 to get the best possible results. the same thing that EVERY dev does when they build a game, it's just part of the process.

the engine they build for MGS Rising is going to be different. ps3 and x360 are different machines.

[poopsack]

360 cant run this game, go stick the bluray dics in the dvd drive, see if it plays, cause it cant.

[Tony P]

Here we go again.

"Another reason MGS:R will suck."

Because they're developing a multiplat engine to run a multiplat game instead of forcing an engine developed specifically for one console on every other platform. Yes, that sounds like devs planning to make a crap game.

[SixTwoTwo]

Graphical downgrade confirmed =(

[blackpanther25]

Go and watch gameplay videos in HD on youtube. Nobody gotta show you Sh!t. If you really want to know if the game looks good then you will check it up yourself cause there is a lot of in-game pics at neogaf

Here you go have fun looking through 20 something pages of in-game pics. I don't have time to be going through all those photos to show to someone who won't open his eyes to look
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[NNNW]

lol

[Sarcasm]

lol, it's "BULL SHOTS" not "Bullet Shots"

[phosphor112]

Those aren't Bull Shots! Those are all in game. The game features 4xAA making the game look smooth. Also, graphics aren't the only reason why MGS4 wouldn't work on the 360. That game has a really powerful AI, hundreds of textures to become camouflage to, a large sound track, lots of high quality dialogue and sound effects (7.1), and over 70 high quality weapon models.

Cut-scenes don't take up that much space. It's only scripting since its all done in real time/in-engine, not pre-rendered. That's why cut-scenes will fade into gameplay with no graphical change. Play the full game in 1080p, and you will be amazed at the audio/visual and technical fidelity. It's unmatched.

[Homicide]

Tekken 6's engine was also optimized for the cell, but it's coming to 360 :)

[gintoki777]

those aint no bullet shots thats how the game is

[gintoki777]

also he is going to be working more deeply on the ps3 VERSIOn there was an article today stating that when discussing peace walker.

[Rob0g0rilla]

Well, I'll tell you this. If you played the game, then you wouldn't be requesting non "bullet shots", lol.

Besides, how can you determine if [enter game here] can run on [enter console here] by looking at pictures? That doesn't make much sense, especially if you haven't played the game. You can't determine that by pictures.

And MGS4 looks exactly like those pictures. It looks better in motion, and the in-game cutscenes look fantastic. Overall the game is very polished but I don't expect you to know that since you haven't played it.

[CWMR]

MGS4 was a good looking game but nowehere near as good as Ps3 fanboys claim. There are lots of games that look just as good: Resident Evil 5, Gears of War, Assassin's Creed, Bioshock and Uncharted to name a few.

I am glad that they are building a new engine. Metal Gear Solid Rising will probably look better than MGS4 and it will look better on the 360 than on the PS3.

[theEnemy]

haven't played MGS4, so you don't know sh1t.

[IaMs12]

i still think its freaking hilarious how everyone is now dissing this game, but before was all hoping and wanting it to be a Raiden game. Now that it is, oh and on Xbox, they hate it. Grow up!

[kazan]

dude i really feel sorry for you and i never did for anyone on this site before LOL, you'er so desperate ,, go play the game and see for your self and stop whining..

[Qui-Gon Jim]

So you say "no bullet shots," then you say "bullet shots look smooth and have clean edges." So if it looks as good as MGS4 actually looks, you will call it a "bullet shot" and if it looks bad, then you will say it's proof that MGS4 doesn't look good. That's quite the trap you've laid there.

[7ero H3LL]

lol at blackpanther25

i find this very funny,

http://i39.tinypic.com/jrfz...
http://i40.tinypic.com/5bze...

[Jaces]

Yeeeaahh....cause last time I played the mechanics and AI was just horrendous.

Tell me you at least played the damn game, probably not but its good to know that your comments can't be taken seriously and only offer up a good laugh and then we move on...

[blackpanther25]

that pic is funny as hell.....you know some people have too much time on their hands lol. That was a little surprise for MGSR but he didn't look at all the pics. But you gotta admit that is one fine IN-GAME a$$ lmao you can't blame them for appreciating it. but the chicken.....hey what can i say.....there are 14 pages of pics taken by people it was just an example of just typing mgs4 into google. There are better pics there, but why would i waste my time adding links

Edit: +bub for catching that

[Rainstorm81]

Anyone seen the peace Walker trailer recently? a 5 flashes on screen in the beginning. then at the end a number count up 1-2-3-4-5 then the letter "e"

MGS5 is peace walker??
MGS5 @ E3 2010 PS3 exclusive? (just because this is in the PSP exclusive trailer)

Or does anyone know the real meaning???

[Game13a13y]

was anyone actually surprised by the fact that the MGS 4 engine could not be handled by the lower performance/outdated/last-gen hardware 360?

[cereal_killa]

And what game is that? your NOT GETTING MGS4 your getting a spin off game that even Kojima could care less about M$ thew there big fat cheque book at Konami and begged for a Metal Gear game Kojima probablly said "Fruck No Solrid Snake will stay on the PSfree My MGS bteam will make a spin off game that has Raiden".

[7ero H3LL]

i'm wondering why few are considering the "what if" what if it does look better, since there's no pic of what it looks like no one can say that it won't.

i think we need to be down to earth here, it's getting to the point where we can't even hash the possibilities.

if konami can make a psp game look good then what makes people think that they can't make this mgsr game look beautiful.

my eyes were wide open when i saw konami's "Castlevania: Lords of Shadow" which is a multiplat.

[taco_tom237]

wtf i never said that mgs4 was going to the 360........im talking about mgs rising and i got mgs4 the day it came out.
why would u say im not getting mgs4???

edit: u were assuming that i was a 360 fanboy lmfao!!!!!!!

[Bathyj]

Dont like brown games, dont like green games.

Man the more you idiots talk the more I'm sure I'm on the right side.

And WTF is a bullet shot? You just made that up you jerk. They're BULLSHOTS !

[ThanatosDMC]

Just FYI, it's called BULLSHOTS... not bullet shots.

Read what Sarcasm wrote.

Also, MGS4 actually looks smooth and clean. I guess, i could see why you think it's fake since it's too good to be true. You should play the game and see the epicness of it all.

Rex vs Ray was the best fight... eerr... Solid vs Liquid Ocelot... err... nvm too many great moments in that game.

[soxfan2005]

@1.3

Congratulations. With your comment, you have officialy dragged fanboyism to a new low. MGSR will be a MAJOR multi-platform release - which includes PS3. Yet you are hoping it fails - therefore actually hoping a major game for YOUR console fails solely because a good MGS game on PS3 would also mean a good MGS game on 360, and that is just a repulsive thought to you and the 51 people who agreed with you. You and your kind apparently feel that the PS3's lineup is not strong enough to stand on it's own merits vs. the 360's lineup, so you have to try desperately to disparage the 360's games and convince other morons that a 360 MGS is simply incapable of being a great game.

I believe the saying is "cut off your nose to spite your face".

It's kinda funny too that you seem to hate the 360, yet 90% of your comments are in 360 threads. You seem conflicted. Ever see "American Beauty"? Chris Cooper's character? That's who you remind me of - a person who spews hate speech about something in order to hide that fact that he secretly likes it, and is just too repressed to admit it. Or is the PS3 just not worth your time to post about?

[fishd]

"Bullet shot"

!

[thesummerofgeorge]

You are such a clown. Honestly, saying MGS4's gameplay and AI need tightening... You either have never played it, or you're a raging flaming fanboy, or both, cause MGS4 is about as tight as it gets.

[donator]

Half of these idiotic comments belong in the open zone, yet as I type this, there are only 4 comments in the open zone and 123 in the gamer zone. N4G is awesome isn't it?

It's time for N4G to let users vote to permanently keep some people in the open zone. Screw this bubbles bullshit.

[Gun_Senshi]

lol fanboys will always be a fanboys.

67 disagrees and rising at comment no 1 lol.

He never played MGS4

[Downtown boogey]

MGS4 obviosuly supported very high-res textures and advanced lighting, especially HDR. It was opted for high realism so maybe that's not what they're looking for for MGS:R.

[RumbleFish]

[QUOTE]tighten up the gameplay mechanics and the AI.[/QOUTE]

It is impossble that you ever touched that game. STFU!

[All-3]

Says you... but not according to Kojima:

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Hideo Kojima says the only reason that Metal Gear Solid 4 is debuting on PlayStation 3 is that he likes to be first with everything, and that the last year's focus on MGS3 meant Kojima Productions didn't have any time to get to grips with Xbox 360. Actually, he says, it could quite happily work on Microsoft's system.

When asked whether MGS4 could work on 360 during a recent 1up interview, he said: "Yes, that's technically possible." It's not that he doesn't like Xbox 360, see, he just doesn't want to do things second. So he's a bit like those kids who "hate" bands because their mates found out about them first.

"Kojima Productions has this philosophy that we want to be the first in everything regarding new technology. So after we finished MGS3, the option was to work on the PS3 to try all the new things for Metal Gear Solid 4. The only reason for this is I'm the kind of person who wants to be the first person on the moon, and don't want to be asking 'what the moon was like?' from other people." (Shh, don't tell him.)

---

And in all fairness, this proves that the 360 can't run PS3 engines?

Says you, but according to Kojima Productions:

Metal Gear Solid: Rising won’t be using the same engine as Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. Instead, Kojima Productions is building a multiplatform one from scratch to support the PC, Playstation 3 and Xbox 360.

Despite some initial concerns, they assure their fans that the multiplatform development won’t compromise the game in their latest podcast.

In fact, Kojima Productions even promise that Metal Gear Solid: Rising will end up looking better than Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots.

So the 360 can and will run a multiplatform Game Engine that will run a game that looks better than MGS4 according to the developers of MGS: Rising and not someone posting in this site.

Just listen to the podcast:

http://www.konami.jp/kojima...

1) Kojima Productions will not compromise on anything, for any system.

2) MGS: Rising will be fully maximized for whatever platform its on.

3) MGS: Rising will be a game that pushes beyond anything you've seen on any of the platforms.

4) MGS: Rising a major project. Kojima Productions are aiming for higher graphics than MGS4. The graphics will be not be the same as MGS4's, it is going to be even better.

5) MGS: Peace Walker is a major and official MGS game, similar in scope to home console versions, and will feature a type of gameplay can't really be done as well - or in the same way - on either the PS3 or 360.

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As for Kojima's involvement in MGS: Rising...

http://www.1up.com/do/newsS...

First, Hideo Kojima said that he wasn't doing anymore Metal Gear Solid after Metal Gear Solid 4. Then he said there would be more MGS, but that he would take a hands-off approach. He tried that with the upcoming MGS: Peace Walker, but it seems that didn't work out so well.

"At first, I was just going to create the overall guidelines and concepts for the project, and leave it in the hands my excellent staff. I was going to have a hand in the project as a producer, and make titles other than MGS," Kojima told Dengeki PlayStation (via GameCenterOnline).

"But, I set the game in the South American (sic) country of Costa Rica and created a story with themes about nuclear deterrence and the cold war. It looked as if it might be very confusing to young people, because of generational differences. So, in the end I finally said, "I'll do it."

In a recent issue of Famitsu, Kojima had described Peace Walker as, "The Metal Gear Solid 5 inside me," which also partly explains why he's focusing on the PlayStation Portable game.

---> Metal Gear Solid: Rising was also originally supposed to be left to his staff, but Kojima will be taking a relatively strong hand there as well.

NOTE: "It's a completely different kind of action than what has appeared in the series so far," Kojima said. "I'll be working more deeply on the project then a normal producer."

[La Chance]

"In fact, Kojima Productions even promise that Metal Gear Solid: Rising will end up looking better than Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots."

Great! MGS4 looked good but MGS Rising is going to look even better!

Cant wait to get my hands on the 360 version.

Especially when you know there has NEVER EVER been a bad MGS game (well...MGS Acid wasnt all that good but it was on PSP) and that Kojima Productions have NEVER EVER let a bad game come out of their studios.

[really duh]

Ha ha ha Somebody disagreed for wanting improvements.

[Kamikaze135]

You admit Acid was bad...do you know why? Because Kojima wasn't involved. He isn't involved in this game neither. He's only working on the Peace Walker.

[RememberThe357]

That is not entirely true. He is producing the title, and will be heavily involved in it.

It is true that he is not directing it, but I would count this game out just yet. Besides we wont see anything else for a year, so all this speculation is pointless.

[Kamikaze135]

Unfortunately, he isn't. Kojima stated that Metal Gear Rising is a game that only his younger staff, or as he says it "young blood staff", will be the ones working on it. This is probably a test to see what they can dish out. By the way, he's stated this in several interviews right after E3 ended. He wanted to drill this notion, especially into the minds of the fans, so they won't expect anything like the projects he's worked on.

Kojima stated that he will have no involvement with Metal Gear Rising besides giving them the "OK" for some of the content. Believe me, after playing through MGS1-4 I'm hugely disappointed he won't be involved with the console MGS, but hey, these new guys might come up with something amazing. Only time will tell. In the meantime, at least we have Peace Walker.

[RememberThe357]

When asked about Metal Gear Solid: Rising, Kojima said this, “I’ll be working more deeply on the project then a normal producer.”

http://www.gamercenteronlin...

So what exactly was wrong about my comment? He's not directing, and he says right there that he is involved in the project.

Either way, I'm not ready to just write this game off. There are plenty of great game that are made without Kojima's involvement, and until I see otherwise I'll be looking forward to more info on this title.

[MUNKYPOO]

here we go again with hardware and specs bs. just let the games speak for themselves.

[xodee48]

I agree this game has potential no matter wat kind of game it ends up being, i really hope you were able to play MGS4 and not let the fact that it was an exclusive effect ur enjoyment/judgement of it.

[STK026]

Ac!d was good, Ac!d 2 was better. The fact that some people didn't feel like learning the new system and having a more strategic approach to the game doesn't make it any worse.

[megaglitcher]

Metal Gear Solid: Rising will end up looking better than Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots.

how is that possible? MGS4 looks beautiful

[ceedubya9]

By the time rising comes out, MGS4 will be at least 2 years older by then right? Games should look better after that amount of time, especially from a good development house.

[TheBlackSmoke]

Well maybe this is telling us the type of game it is. If its going to look noticeably better than mgs4 yet run on a 360 then all signs point towards a linear hack and slash game.

The more stripped down a game is the more you can do in terms of polish because the console has fewer tasks to perform at the same time. This is why sandbox games like infamous or gta are no where near the graphical standard of a more linear driven game like killzone 2 or gear of war 2.

[skip2mylou]

how the hell did ceeybuya get disagrees? MGS4 will be 2yrs old and games will have increased graphics by then

[xabmol]

Second,

[Elven6]

Sweet, the MGS4 engine was good but like all engines not without it's faults. If they say they can do something better then the MGS4 engine on multiplatform consoles then more power to them.

That being said I'm sure this engine will still be borrowing from the MGS4 engine a bit.

[UltimateIdiot911]

Well MGS4 engine is designed only for the PS3. So I think that is a given.

[dogmeat eater]

meh, kojima has nothing to do with this game. Im not so sure its going to be anything special.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

I really wish people would stop saying that because it's not true.

Kojima has said he will be involved with the project.

[CWMR]

@GiantEnemyCrab

Don't waste your time. People like that will dodge reality as long as possible. They have to downplay MGSR anyway they can just because it is now coming to the 360.

Kojima is involved and it isn't just the director that makes a game good anyway. His whole team is talented and I am sure that they will make a really outsanding Metal Gear Solid game, like they have always done.

[skip2mylou]

idiots like him will never do their research on games. but MGS:R can go either way depending on how good the team is

[Whitefox789]

I do have to agree a little bit somewhat with the whole directors thing doesn't really decide the fate of the game such as Hideki Kamiya only directed DMC 1 well guess what DMC 3 was the best in the series and was not directed by him.

[Unicron]

The amount of stupidity in this thread astounds even me.

[Dellis]

Also since this is a Ninja Gaiden mixed with Tenchu type game, of course it needs its own engine.

This revelation just proves that this game is not a MGS game at all, so get ready to tap x constantly and makes combos as you fight robots and soldiers.

The only real new MGS game only exist on PSP

[ceedubya9]

To me, the gameplay of the MGS series doesn't mean as much to me as amazing production values, characters, and storyline (although a bit confusing sometimes). Those, to me, are the main draws for me.

If they can maintain all of those things in Rising, I don't care if they make the game more action oriented or not. I'll still play it.

[SuPa-MaRiO]

Kojima U Fall Me For The First Time a better engine this one i have 2 see i doubt it

[TrevorPhillips]

I'm a huge fan of the metal gear franchise, I'm really looking forward to MGS:Rising and i believe that kojima will successfully push the graphics to the bar for this series.

[360usetobegood]

MGS4 couldnt be done on the 360 due to disc space. Not to mention they have to hollywood the game up to get it to sell on the 360. MGS4 would more than likely be to slow for most 360 users...

They are going to totally bork the name MG i guarantee it someone please remember me saying this. Its going to be a totally different game in every sense.

[Saaking]

The reason for this is pretty obvious: The MGS4 engine is one of the most advanced engines out there and there were no problems at all in MGS4 it was a truly perfect game. The 360 obviously can't handle the engine. I know that they say MGR will look better, but come on it's not like they would say it's gonna look worse right? Only PS3 can handle MGS4 and it's engine. This proves the PS3's superiority over the 360.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Wouldn't the engine be designed to work with the Cell and it's architecture? This does not prove anything about power the only thing it proves is engines built for the PS3/Cell don't work on other systems.

[Old_Boss]

i'm good and sure that we are geting an awsome STORY and gameplay
and let's not forget it's big boss story so he is going to make it EPIC

EDIT; DAMN I THOUGT ITS PAECE WALKER

WHATEVER

[MriownBOTH]

id rather play a mgs on the ps3 or 360....than the psp.....i mean have you tryed the psp like a fps or anything....its so horrible lol....i mean seriously have you ever try a fps....aiming with the d-par lol...ooo man...or better yet....move with tri, cir, square, x lolits so weird and unnatural

well mgs are mgs....but whatever its cool its coming to the 360 im happy. i got a ps3 to im happy.

and honestly if mgs didn't come out for it....no one would notice it would be whatever, but that it is on the 360 we are just happy about it that's all. i hope this one is on the ps3 also so i can see it sell better than the 360.....and if it doesn't sell more..than WOW.

MGS FTW.....not the psp version though......

[NaViTo]

Resistance Retribution is an awesome third-person shooter and the controls are more than than great, they play perfect on the PSP. Like it will be with Metal Gear Peace Walker. Oh and anyway is the only true sequel of MGS!

[Whitefox789]

Dude if you have a PSP pick up portable ops it plays just the same as MGS 3 Snake Eater not to mention it was the first MGS game where you can move around in FPS mode with the D-pad. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you but I would rather have it you test out the game for the controls first if it doesn't play well then you can say it sucks.

I also don't know if your actually aware of this either but portable gaming is a hell lot more popular in Japan then it is anywhere else.

[Ashriel]

Just hope it looks better than MGS4 o.o. It better be! It will be a 2010 game vs. a 2008 game!

[Jaces]

Hey, if it surpasses what MGS4 was...so what.

MGS4 will be nearly 2 or 3 years old depending on when Rising comes out, so it's expected that games coming out in 2010/2011 will look better than the 2008/2009 era.

I really don't have high hopes but we'll see when they show actual footage.

[TrevorPhillips]

another good thing is that finally they will add achievements to the 360 version and trophies onto the PS3 version, cannot wait :)

[HDgamer]

achievements/trophies do not change gameplay.

[Whitefox789]

Thank you for your input my friend I remember back in the old days people played games because they were fun not so they can have an imaginary gamer score or trophies that have no value at all, the only thing they add personally are challenges except for the achievements/trophies that you are just given such as in RE 5 where you got said award for completing a chapter.

[CobraKai]

Isn't the mgs4 engine optimized for the ps3? They would have to rebuild both games from the ground up on both systems. I may be wrong but that was one of the reasons MGS4 never went to the 360. they would need a new multiplatform engine to build the game on both systems efficiently.

[MurderMyDoll]

These arguments just get more and more pathetic every time a new exclusive or multiplatform title are announced. Can't we all just be excited about the fact we get to play this title not have little arguments about the console you play it on?

[Grown Folks Talk]

for $1,000 Alex.

[Expy]

Obviously it won't use that engine. The MGS4 engine is PS3-only, it's not a multi-platform engine.

[Veneno]

First Kojima is not the man controlling the project, and now it will look worse than the MGS before it.............

R.I.P.
METAL GEAR SOLID
1998 - 2009

We will never forget you...... @>~~~

(Cue "Old Snake Theme" )

[Soldierone]

If it looks better, lets just hope it plays better too. Being it must be held back to 7GB i doubt it will. Less people on the screen, more stupid AI, smaller cutscenes, and worse physics are all i expect now. Sucks they have to toss one of the greatest engines out the door after just one game...

[Shendow]

Protype is a game that should only be ran on 360, why???? because 360 is know for its long waiting an waiting loading screens as for it on PS3 it doesn't cut it because theirs Infamous and with that been said. This game is going to be most likely like that, yes I bet it is going to look go but better then MGS4? no I don't think it will because no one is using Bluray only an with out that then it means that it isn't going to be to go or they can make it really short but look really good -_- and for the person that was crying about "bullet shoots pics" get a life, they look the same on my screen an they both look good (To bad it was just a Gears game)

Oh an I hope the 360 people do know that the main reason why MGS4 won't work well on 360 is because they use DVD an it is dumb to have 4 or 10 DVD's for one game as well as it is a pain if you want to sell it an you are missing a disc (Kind of like how 360 people say they got great games but when I buy a use on it looks like they key it)

[Rob0g0rilla]

Bashing a game they haven't even played but excited to play the next one. I lost count at all the people saying the Metal Gear series was trash or overrated.

Also, it should look better. They would be taking a step back if it looked worse then a game that will be over 2 years old when this one releases.

[CWMR]

No, the game itself is great, the problem I have is that some people are acting like it is some graphical marvel that couldn't be done on the 360, when there are quite a few games on the 360 that look better.
MGS4 runs at a sub-HD resolution, has mediocre textures, average anti-aliasing and there is nothing about it that couldn't be done on the 360. Metal Gear Solid Rising will likely prove this.

[Rob0g0rilla]

Mediocre textures and average AA? Textures were pretty realistic in this game. There were a few blurry looking ones but you would have to be picky to find them. This game was polished to death. The fact that the cut scenes and the gameplay used the same assets is enough to claim this game as a graphical marvel. I really don't feel like going into detail about it. These pictures you have seen don't do the game any justice. It's a very impressive looking game.

I think you should play it sometime, seriously. Your opinion holds no weight until you do. Looking at pictures or videos doesn't count.

[SaberEdge]

Why do you think people who disagree haven't played MGS4? I own the game and I am not that impressed by the graphics. They are good, but there are plenty of games on both platforms that I think look better.

How can I prove to you that I own a PS3 and MGS4? I will gladly do it.

MGS4 will be surpassed by MGSR and it will lay to rest this bullsh!t about the 360 not being able to handle MGS4.

The 360 and PS3 are more or less equal. Anyone that says otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about.

[theEnemy]

optimized for the Cell only.

[Qui-Gon Jim]

MGS4 engine was built from the ground up to work on the PS3. The MGS4 engine is a round peg and the XBox 360 is a square hole. For Rising they need to make a new peg to fit in round holes AND square holes. They can't use the MGS4 engine for the PS3 version because they would probably then have to create all assets twice (once for each engine), and that's inefficient and leads to too many inconsistencies.

I don't know if they will be successful in making a new (multiplat) engine that will look as good, but they are talented people so i'll reserve judgement.

[Zizo_ha]

Of course it won't use it since its a multiplatform game the xbox can't take it and that's y MGS4 still exclusive on ps3.

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

mgs4 engine is already here. tweek it to make it better instead of wasting time and starting from scratch.

Kojima: "Only a true MGS can use the MGS4 engine"

lol wat if thats the reason.

[Enigma_2099]

To them, MGS 4 was utter sh!t, and yet this game, which isn't even out yet, and Kojima has given hints that he's not 100% happy with, will somehow be the end-all-be-all of MGS games.

Face it... if MGS4 came out for the 360 too, ALL these "complaints" would disappear, and you'd instead be droning on and on about how the 360 version was the definitive one.

And if they DO manage to make it look better than MGS4, that will be a feat, because MGS4 was frickin' beautiful. They pull that off, I'll lay money down that it'll be due to either...

... mad graphical programming skillz...

... or sparse, smaller environments...

[Whitefox789]

people usually say the Xbox 360 version is the definitive version which is utter BS, and for people still complaining about PS3 vs Xbox 360 graphic comparisons the PS3 version of "insert game here" was never intended to LOOK BETTER developers that do multi-platforms give their heart out to make sure both audiences of Xbox 360 and PS3 get the same exact experience graphical wise and gameplay wise and for those developers I salute you!

I am a little bit disappointed they can't reuse the engine since they spent a lot of time and money trying to design it. On another note Hideo Kojima said he would take more of an supervising role such as producer. He is directing Peace Walker due to the fact that if just left everything he wrote down and gave it to his staff it might be a little bit too confusing for them to handle. Which I think is smart because lets say he did do that with Peace Walker and he was knee deep in another game he was making then the team for Peace Walker gives him a call saying "Uhh yeah can you explain how Big Boss got to South America?"

[DNAgent]

Of course MG:R won't use the MGS4 engine. The 360 can't handle that engine in the first place. Since this game is multiplatform the PS3 won't even be able to use the engine because it would be considered "unfair" in a way to people who play it on a last gen console. So lets just review some things about this game...

-You'll be playing as an emo character which is also one of the most hated characters in the MGS universe (possibly THE most hated)

-It's a spinoff

-It's not being directed by Kojima

-It won't use the MGS4 engine

So far that sounds like a flop of a game to me. I'll still play it even if it gets horrible reviews, I just won't buy it cause I would be embarrassed to have this garbage next to my other MGS games so it will be a rental at best. I'll buy MGS: PW though since it's a true sequel that Kojima is heavily involved in and that alone makes it better than MG:R (which I don't even consider a metal gear game; kind of like how DMC4 doesn't seem or feel like a DMC game to me).

[-MD-]

You're easily the most negative person I've ever seen in my life.

[na2ru1]

Just whining and whining and so poorly designed just like the 360 fanboys and its console.

But he was pretty cool in MGS4, although still emo'ee.

[ArcticWolfUK]

games a disgrace to the mgs series

who wants to play as raiden? lmao it was bad enough in mgs2

[ChozenWoan]

I'm a PS gamer and I'm looking forward to MGSR. I don't care that it's going to be on 360 also, as long as it doesn't hinder my experience or is delayed to do so (FF13 <_< ).

Since this is a new game and not a port, I'm sure it will deliver the goods where it matters most... Graphics, Gameplay, and Storyline. I don't expect it to be as epic as MGS4, but I do expect it to be a day one buy.

PS.
The reason GTA4 let me down is because I was expecting GTA:SA gameplay with GTA4's setting, graphics, and storyline. Obviously we now know why that didn't happen, but we will leave that for the "BluRay is not needed" debate.

[Digitaldude]

Because it cant run on 360 and it will be an entirely different game.
Worse one...

[Boatbird]

You know snake eater wasn't a bad game(awesome game)and it wasn't on the ps3 and if rising has the same amount of content i wouldn't mind.

[bobbysagettwo]

And in other news, MGS4 looks good.

Seriously, out of all of the games you have to chose from, you are going to give merit to MGS4's graphics?

I have played this game for hours on end, and it is abundantly clear to me that its graphics are nothing special. I think it is insulting the intelligence of all gamers to try and say this game couldn't be recreated on the 360. That's like saying pong couldn't run on the NES.

There is literally nothing about MGS4, that the 360 cant do. It isn't shader heavy, texture heavy, AI heavy, or anything of the sort. For those of you arguing that it has advanced AI, who are you kidding? How many free headshot's did you get when the enemies stupidly stick their heads out from behind boxes/walls, and hold it there? I can remember this happening about 1000+ times myself. The mere fact that enemies walk up to you, when your camofluaged and say "uh oh, we see him" does NOT mean the AI is good.

The only limitation i see, is disk space. Which would be significantly decreased if they took out the 7.1 HD audio. I mean, who the F@#k has a 7.1 system in their house anyways? I like to play video games, doesn't mean i spend my entire pay check on buying fancy speakers. I couldn't possibly care less.

It's one thing to say "Uncharted2 cannot be run on the 360 (in its current form). But claiming that MGS4 is too advanced to be ran on the 360? Your gullibility towards propaganda reminds me of WW2.

[UnblessedSoul]

So all that time making an engine has gone to waste?, seems they are going the square enix route, they say their games won't be affected but we all know the quality isn't the same as if it were exclusive ala Versus

[Ninjamonkey]

If it looks better then fair enough.

and it was already obvious another engine would be needed, it wouldnt work ont he 360 full stop.

Though I wont play this game as a true MGS game.

MGS is something created by Kojimas mind, its like having a series of books completed by a different author, it wont work...

[Batzi]

I can't see why it's bad for them to create a new engine which is going to be better than MGS4's engine according to Kojima Productions. Guys, it's a FRICKIN METAL GEAR SOLID game created by KOJIMA PRODUCTIONS! There is no way in hell the game will fail, Kojima himself won't allow this to happen. What the HELL is wrong with you guys? They are aiming for a better, bigger and more awesome MGS games for both PS3 and PSP. Remember, they are optimizing the game according to the hardware they're working on and they're planning to MAX OUT the game for that specific hardware and take in consideration how much that hardware can give in terms of graphics, textures, framerate etc... For instance, Kojima already have an experience with the PS3 hardware thanks to MGS4. They haven't developed for the 360 yet but I doubt they will have a problem with it same goes with PC. They will create Rising on 360 with whatever the 360 has left to offer in other words they are going to develop the 360 version as if it was an exclusive and MAXING IT OUT on 360. Same with PS3 and PC. Graphically speaking, PC might outshine both, however, the PS3 will definitely be the superior version overall because of the controls and of course the fanbase. ;) Can't wait to get my hands on both Rising and Peace Walker which I am buying a PSP Go! for. :)

[marcindpol]

i was thinking kojima said that mgs4 is only possible on ps3!?

now they say mgs rising is going to look even better than mgs4 including x360 (the game must look the same on both platforms).

Kojima is a prick, i will skip mgs rising!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Whitefox789]

Well if you were the speaker at the Kojima Productions podcast would you up and say well because MGS Rising is multi-platfom we have to create a new engine thats going to make the game look worse then MGS 4.
If that were to happen then the guy would more then likely get fired.

[Dante43]

I predict crappy graphics,poor audio/video, short cut scene, all due to the fact that they need to downgrade it for xbox360.
Lame. =/

[TheReaper42]

i remember first time playing MGS4 on my newly bought 1080P HDTV.. it made me have such high standards for gaming. Standards that weren't met til Killzone2 arrived. Although MGS4's story still beats that handsdown.

[-MD-]

"MGS Rising will use an improved engine and a new coat of paint"

"MGS4 isn't possible on 360"

lolwut?

[Dante43]

You some kind of moron?
Mgs4 isn't possible on Xbox360 because it 50gb of uncompressed goodness, if they were to port it to xbox, they had to compress and make multiples disc, and this would downgrade the graphics and overall goodness.

[-MD-]

You almost know what you're talking about.

[Major_Tom]

Yeah because Xbox Fanboys are so ahead of everyone else in terms of intelligence right? Go back to watching the bottom of your Avatars foot.

[-MD-]

That literally made no sense in this particular discussion.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

personally I think MGSR will look better then MGS4 #1 because the game will be smaller because of the 360's DVD9 #2 The game will have less audio in the game AGAIN because of the DVD9 so the remaining space could be used for making the game look better

If MGS4 was made using a 200GB BR Disc (considering the amount of audio in the game) this is what the game would've looked like and even better

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Batzi]

dude, first of all MGS4 was done on a dual-layered BDR and not a 200GB one. Yes, according to Kojima Productions, they are working on doing a better game overall in terms of graphics and the rest of the game's aspects. Kojima Productions always have given us top notch quality games when it came to Metal Gear Solid. Every MGS game released was proven to look and play better than the previous one. It's a fact and already proven in the past that KOJIMA productions will always move forward and never go backward in developing games specially when it comes to METAL GEAR SOLID.

[Shane Kim]

Lol ultimate, that video is 100% a target render.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

I never said MGS4 was made on a 200GB BD Disc, I said 'IF' the game was made using a 200GB BD Disc then it would've looked better then the YouTube video I posted above. Kojima himself said that he was disappointed with the final look of the game.

But anyway's personally I think that Kojima's not only working on MGS:Peace Walker but he's also working on the real MGS5 exclusive for the PS3. He said it himself that Peace Walker is 'close' to being an MGS5 but it's a bit of the mark so judging by that comment I think he's clearly working on MGS5 as well.

[Batzi]

oops sorry, I must've missed the "if" :$

[The Judderman]

Thank God for that. MGS4 looked like crap. Good i suppose for PS3 users who don't know any different but to everyone one else it was a textureless dog.

[Major_Tom]

Nothing like waking up to Jealous Xbox Fans in my cup of coffee in the morning!

[LiViNgLeGaCY]

Just by reading that I now know that you're an extreme fanboy with his green goggles on. MGS4 looked, and played absolutely fantastic.

[Dante43]

Your retardation just made my day.

[commando34]

^^^^

your an ass

[Batzi]

I have to agree. what an idiot.

[gon-freaks]

confirmed: mgs4 only in the best console....

ps3.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

I LOVE MGS games but this 1 i'm not to interested about...Sorry...
NO??? Snake??? NO Kojima??? WTF???

+ I hope Mr.Sir.Kojima is making a MGS:5 for the PS3 only!!! ;-P
NOW THAT WOULD BE ON MY PS3 MUST HAVE LIST!!!;)

[Etseix]

thats the line ive been searching for
---NO??? Snake??? NO Kojima??? WTF???---

a metal gear SOLID game whitout SNAKE, may suck
then, NO KOJIMA? again- fails, MG is the best game only on Kojima's hands :p

[fossilfern]

Did anyone actually think it was ? it was a engine built on the PS3 for the PS3, it was an amazing engine and since its not using it well i can say this game is definitely not going to be anything special. But if your a big MGS fan like myself im hoping it will delve more into how Raiden came to be what he was in MGS4 but since kojima inst playing a big role in it i don't think the story will be as deep as it normally is

[knucklebusster]

360 fanboys it's not too let to come over to the dark side mwahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I know I sound like lunatic but the ps3 make me crazy in a good way LOL :)MGS4 and Killzone are best games ever made period in my opinion! GOD OF WAR 3 looking good have my eye on you.

[Silber]

oh man... The Devs say that Rising will be look better than Metal Gear Solid 4, even if its a Multiplatform Game. So what all the shoking Comments here..

Before and now Fanboys say: "Uhhh the slimey Xbox Guy here wont have good Graphics as the so good and brave MGS4 on PS3"

When Rising is out and will have really better Graphics than Metal Gear Solid 4 it will sound like this:

Fanboy: "Uhh the slimey Xbox Guys there are resposible for my gimped down PS3 Version *cry* wich woud look much better if it woud be an exklusive *cry* It dos nott interest me if its looks better than MGS4 on PS3,i only want to hate any other Console. Oh and my brain was sucked out while i bought my PS3"

.....every news the same Fanboys..

[Iceman100]

that's good because the 4th game was the worst one, and what's this about how good it looks it better be a damn good game or whats the point.

"Another fact that the 360 is inferior"

what would you say such a stupid thing? they are both one in the same making the same last gen games, and the best games ever made kill zone 2? must be your first time playing a shooter go buy a pc there are plenty of real shooters to choose from....codmw2 anyone?

[BlackToothGrin]

there will be a new engine for all the new minigames. From choosing the correct amount of eyeliner, the right pair of highheels, and even having an annoying conversation about love with Rose.

Sorry i hate Raiden. But the good news is that anything with the Kojima name will not only be quality but will usually push whatever machine its on to a new level. 360 fans are in for a treat but i can't seem to get excited over a Raiden hack n slash (if that's what it is). He's a platform wearing roboqueen and all the breakdancing in the world will not change that.

Apologies for nerding out.

[saimcheeda]

this wont be a revolutionizing game and this wont be a true MG Game!!Shame shame...Im anticipating the PSP Game more than this!

[ifhd]

hope its better.

[gamingisnotacrime]

MGS Raiden will be crippled, it wont match MGS4 quality in any sense. It will be another game that will be as good as the 360 allows it to be (DVD9, no cell, no HD in all consoles). The good news is that 360 only owners will get an MGS game. Better news is that PS3 owners have the MGS4 game, and that is enough for everyone

[Matpan]

I will laugh my A$$ out if this game looks better than MGS4 in any aspect. That ought to shut up soooo many fanboys. So please please make this game just a little better :)

[megatama]

I hope then that Kojima production will do MGS5 on MGS4 engine for PS3 in future.....

[irish-leprecaun]

amount of people who have been deleted!!

[Eamon]

I just realised. WOW, must have been a really heaty flame war going on.
Well, it's to be expected. The Die-Hard Sony fanboys took a hard blow when MGS: Rising was announced on 360.

But back to main topic. MGS4 CAN NEVER be on 360 due to the architecture of the PS3's CPU. Kojima and his developers made sure to use as much as they can out of the PS3 so obviously, the engine will never be able to be multiplatform.

It's like trying to run Windows XP on the old apple macs. It just cannot work.

[LiViNgLeGaCY]

I don't think I've ever seen an article littered with so much fanboyism from both sides. It feels like a battle in here.

On topic: I have both consoles and I'm actually excited about this game. PS3 fans shouldn't be upset about this game being multiplatform. That means more gamers get to enjoy it. Be happy. I'm anxious to see how this game handled by a new team turns out.

[jackdoe]

No wonder they didn't have any gameplay footage of the game. They haven't created the engine yet! IMO, it is incredibly stupid of them not to reuse the MGS4 engine for this game. No way in hell would repurposing an engine for use in a multiplatform game more expensive then creating a brand new engine.

[Shadowstar]

Decisions made early in the process of creating an engine can affect performance later. They can be really hard to change because they affect the way a game needs to be structured. Repurposing an engine that is tightly integrated with a specific game or console can be less useful and produce worse results compared to writing something from scratch. It's more expensive, yes, but it's not our dime, and it may not be a stupid move.

[jackdoe]

Meh. While true, the bottom line is that this means that the game won't come out for another two to three years because of this decision and was announced prematurely IMO.

[Foxgod]

Um, maybe MS secured the deal with Konami years ago, on E3 they already said that Risen is for spring 2010

Did you guys not even watch e3 ?
And that got the nerve to even post.....

[jackdoe]

No, foxgod. MGS Peacewalker is confirmed for 2010. MGS Rising is not. It is still TBA and was NOT announced for Spring 2010 at E3. To add to this, there was no gameplay footage. Games announced for a 2010 release at E3 2009 have footage as they are far enough along to demonstrate.

[xdye017]

READ the fking article! It says that they going to build an engine from scratch and they promised that it will look better then MGS4. Stupid Sony f**ktards.

[Dante43]

Read our F*CKING posts you retard, we say that it impossible to do MGS4 type of game on Xbox360 because of it limited capacity. Learn to read and then start talking dumbsh*t.

[Foxgod]

I am gonna lol if Risen turns out to look way better then MGS4.

[Spike47]

I think Peacewalker might get better reviews.

[Foxgod]

you people assume too much.

[Solotov]

from the article:
Kojima Productions even promise that Metal Gear Solid: Rising will end up looking better than Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots.

[Spike47]

I doubt it will look better, if it does and the gameplay loses focus, I'm gonna "lol".

[Foxgod]

Well, if they are trying to sell a game, maybe the best way to do that is by making a better game.
Like i said, you assume too much.

[KingKionic]

I cant wait. Now if this has multiplayer

all we need is

a amazing...

Cross platform gaming.

:)

[Foxgod]

Yup, i praise MS for working so hard to bring us games like this :)

[ico92]

the mgs 4 engine was made SPECIFICLY for the ps3 its a prime exaample of why some ps3 games simply cannot run on the 360 not because the 360 weaker but because the engine was built for the ps3 . on the other hand most 360 games can be run on the ps3 because most 360 games use the unreal engine 3 most ps3 games use custom engines

[Foxgod]

Actually, theres only a couple of exclusives that run on the unreal engine, Gears and Mass effect for example.

All the other exclusives, Forza, banjo, fable, alan wake, splinter cell, dead or alive, halo, kameo, magna carta, venetica etch, run on their own engine.

So you made a very bad assumption, i can see why you dont own a 360, youre biased.

[KingKionic]

your right about everything but..

spilnter cell runs on unreal engine 2.5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[josephayal]

I THING THE NINTENDO WII IS MORE POWERFULL THAN XBOX 360

[ico92]

did i say all 360 exclusives or most and games like banjo,alan wake and fable 2 dont they use the havok engine hasnt that made appearences on the ps3 , theres no denying that micrososoft has relied heavily on the unreal engine infact wasnt there an article a couple of weeks back explaining that? and yes i dont own a 360 but i own a gaming pc so do i really need a 360 am i missing out on anything if i can play most of its games on my pc?

[cmrbe]

Is reserved for the PS3.

MGS4 engine produced the greatest game ever. MGS4 is the only exclusive this gen which IGN, Gamespot and G.I all gave 10's.

[Bumpmapping]

Only reason it will look better because its Kojima Productions second game this gen....if they where making it just for PS3 on the MGS4 engine, it would look 10X better would be no compromising on the game meaning top notch AI, graphics and more content.

[mochi]

This is a good news for everyone

[jixar]

i don't understand why Kojima is hardly taking any part in this game??
but i think its obvious that the 360 cant use the same engine. But im worried for the MG franchise, i don't want this game or peace walker to be complete tip offs.

[midlouisiana]

either way i think the game is going to still be good

[gamingparadise]

If they get MGS Rising to work, then good for them. I'll be busy playing MW2 and AC2 by then.