Boycotters respond to Valve's reponse

Administrator of boycott group says: "While we are excited about the idea of new content, we are still in the dark about it..."

[qface64]

lol its probably 1 new gun that's it xD
no seriously i doubt its anything big though maybe something they came up with last minute to calm the angry fans down

[Pixel_Addict]

fermcr11, Left 4 Dead was released only a few months ago. That fact is made worse because the game's single player campaign (if you can call it that) is criminally short. It takes around a little more than 4 hours to beat. The only thing L4D fans have left is the multplayer and even that portion of the game isn't as robust as it should be.

What L4D fans are angry about is the notion that Valve would make such a content starved title, then promise to release DLC to make up for it then suddenly announce a brand new L4D game, and just to add insult to injury, L4D2 looks to be exactly the same... only it will cost 50 dollars and it will split up the L4D online community. Sounds like Valve has been studying the old Microsoft strategy of business. Release a product without proper support then suddenly release a slightly different version... at full price no less.

I really could care less and I don't feel one bit sorry for the fans, because all the while Gabe and company have been giving millions of PS3 owners the shaft for years.

That doesn't mean that don't have a legitimate gripe with Valve.
So to sum it up for you, you are not clever and Gabe and Valve are complete jerks.

[sack_boi]

day 1 buy for me.

[cyberwaffles]

good job sack boi. you are what most people would call a tool. valve most likely thinks, "hook line and sinker."

how can valve go from one of the most appreciated game developers of all time (still are in a lot of ways), to just lackadaisical ones?

valve honestly hasn't brought anything special lately, except maybe portal and the half life episodes. everything else has been extremely standard from them, no matter what you think. same FPS, different paint job. i was expecting valve to really separate themselves from the competition this generation since they did it extremely well last gen, but now (imo) they're just average developers pushing out titles for the sake of quick cash.

that's the bad thing about resting on your laurels i guess.

[Pistolero]

I don't care about the boycotters. I'll be playing a great game while those crybabies are missing out. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh or insulting, but I absolutely despise people like that. They are the same kind of people that sue for the littlest things. In countries like Japan where people take personal responsibility and don't walk around thinking the world owes them something the number of lawsuits is a fraction of what it is in the U.S. and many other countries. And they are better off for it. This boycott is motivated by the same sense of entitlement that you see in those lawsuit-happy countries.

[Lifendz]

With the new game coming out? Maybe Valve will prove me wrong but I don't see them releasing anything substantial for the old game. How could they? They want to sell copies of L4D2. I'm still shocked they're going to release the sequel a year later on the day from when the first came out. I wonder if EA will have Valve crank out L4Ds like EA does Madden.

Speak with your dollars gamers. I guarantee this won't happen again if you show EA and Valve that you're not going to buy the game.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

Nobody b!tches about a rehashed differently numbered sports game, so why complain about L4D2?

There are plenty of games that get the same treatment just worse. See CoD series, Guiter Hero, Rock Band and most sports games. This is a case of spoiled customers. Heck they even got a FREE DLC not too long ago! Let me repeat that, FREE FREE FREE! There aren't too many games that get free stuff (especially on the 360).

Heck, they are even lucky Valve is willing and promised publicly to continue to support the first L4D considering most other companies just plainly ignore it. Other companies would probably respond to you with the equivalent of laughing at you for asking.

So don't give them a hard time, let them release more information as pertinent and vote with your wallet!!!

Finally, if you are going to b!tch about this game, don't be a hypocrite by NOT boycotting other games.

[Blaze929]

this is becoming too funny

[The Lazy One]

Doesn't anyone understand how game announcements work. They don't announce every feature at once. They announce it over time to build anticipation.

petitioners: "whaaaaaa you need to tell us more features now, or you guys suck..."

Valve: "you need to grow a pair of balls while we hit you with some truth..."

[Grandizer]

I still want more L4D and I don't care if I have to pay every year.

The day Valve publishes a bad game my money will speak. I doubt L4D2 will be this bad game though.

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Multiplayer base split on 2 SKUs ????

So what? you can't fit all the players on a single server anyway, I fail to see the point in that argument. And XBOX Live AND Steam can tell you which game your friends are playing, it's up to you to load the correct game.

I will whine when Valve stays years without releasing games, not when they do.

[Leathersoup]

What gives? Valve does free DLC and if they say a new game is required, I believe them. Heck how many people buy a new freaking Madden game every year when all they do is update the teams. It's still football. Give me a break.

[zagibu]

Why are there still people comparing L4D with sports games? The first iteration of a sports game doesn't come only with half the teams. L4D is lacking content. PERIOD. They have to fix this first before they can demand money for a sequel.

BTW: Even if the situation was the same with sports games (which it isn't), weighing bad up with bad doesn't make good.

[jessehaysfl]

Yeah fans respond...

Valve is full of $hit. L4D is an awesome game but come on guys. It's been a year. Half life.

[StanLee]

You know what, detractors need to shut the hell up about Left 4 Dead 2. They're a very, very small minority and no one cares. These video game sites and blogs need to stop giving their opinions credence. They're less that 1 percent of the Left 4 Dead fanbase.

[mastiffchild]

So if you think you're(and everyone else) is being conned you're a crybaby? And should let Valve(or whoever) get on with it , shut up, fall in line and take it? Is that why we like our democratic freedoms so much?

Fact is most games that are basically online only reflect that in the price. Fact is the SP in L4D is just a very weak, tacked on training for the MP so why was it full retail price? If L4D2 contained a real SP as well as the other content(though improvement in such a short time is very doubtful, imo)they promise then noone would have much of an issue-esp if the mod support for 360 and other promises from the first light package are upheld-or even if they just price the second game as an online only offering.

Socom and Warhawk were priced correctly for what they are(Socoms faults notwithstanding!)and Valve were happy, on the PC, to reduce the L4D price for weekends in order to make the slack up with extra sales(and were rightly lauded for this move)but they haven't done this for the 360 version yet. Why not? It clearly shouldn't be the full price of games that offer a full package both on and offline and the sequel so soon makes them look greedy-which for Valve is very damn sad as they usually really look after their PC gamers.

[nnotdead]

i think most people are just use to this kind of business model. they being console gamers never fully understand the support PC gamers are use to. i do think people have a right to complain, but but with more and more games going multiplat this is going to happen more. on the plus side, this might mean Valve will take less time in between Half-Life episodes. okay maybe not :)

[Brock Danger]

with all the things going on in the actual world, this is the rallying cry that gets you all heated up? We've got a failing global economy, a burgeoning flesh trade, flagrant missile tests in N Korea, a spreading HIV epidemic in africa, countless other critical issues, and THIS IS WHAT GETS YOU RILED UP? VALVE IS MAKING ANOTHER GAME?

GO OUTSIDE.

[zagibu]

You are on a gamer's website, idiot. You go outside and complain about whatever.

[RememberThe357]

But this is blatant. I mean, Dynasty Warriors doesn't even come out once a year. lol

I personally wasn't impressed by L4D and I didn't think it had much content to begin with. I'm sure this game will have just as much content. And I still wont see what the big deal is.

[Syronicus]

This boycott is justified. TO be told that there will be much DLC released for the game and then see next to nothing prior to the announcement of the next release is tough to take. Also, seeing as how the game engine is only being mildly improved for the second release is tough to take as well. When you see or hear of no graphical upgrade you wonder why it did not just get released like Wars did for Crysis, an inexpensive expansion pack rather than a full retail title.

I played the first L4D and was unimpressed as well and won't bother buying the second. Perhaps a rental for me but I can feel for those on the boycott. I just hope that they stick to their guns no matter the outcome. There is nothing worse than a boycott that goes south and the signing members give up and buy the game.

[Erdrick]

seriously, what a rip-off. when i buy a valve game i expect it to last, not become obsolete in a year.

[Nelson M]

And here is my Response !
Stick it up yer Ass Gabe !!
You Barny Gumbal Looking Freak !!!

[Nelson M]

I Boycott this Game

[danielle007]

Why though?
Because it's going to KNOCK YOUR SOCKS OFF with ahmaaaaaazingness and you just can't handle it?

Fine, keep your socks on, kid, I'm sure noone will miss you. :D

[Ace Killa 08]

how the hell are you going to boycott

nelson i do see your comments on the open zone you seem to be a troll for xbo360 news and always bash on them now i do hope u have a pc and you play l4d if not then your fanboyism is showing please prove me wrong

[xGrunty]

Valve cares about 16,000 ppl not buying the game.

You guys better rethink your thoughts.

[HDgamer]

Dynasty warriors has been milked to death but at least give the people a break.

[Jdoki]

It raises an interesting point in the industry about 'what's the tipping point between content that is classed DLC, and so much content that it justifies a new version'.

On the face of it L4D2 isn't going to do anything radically new to justify a whole new version. But I may be wrong. So why isn't this DLC or an expansion rather than a full price new game.

There are similarities in other parts of the industry too.

For example, the numerous iterations of Guitar Hero and Rock Band. Was Rock Band 2 really needed? Could we have made do with Rock Band 1, and EA just keep releasing song packs (as DLC and on disc)? Or was their a genuine need to refine some of the core game play that couldn't be done with a patch?

Same with sports series. Surely we are getting to the point where they can't do much more with Madden to refine the core game play. Yet it seems that the devs are now adding trivial changes to justify nothing more than a roster update. Surely a subscription model for rosetr updates, and a more module engine that would allow tweaks and patches to improve the game would be a better way (for the consumer any way)!

[danielle007]

The Valve feller said that it really was too much to be just a DLC. They're like adding in new maps, people, types of ammo, melee weapons, special infected, new ai director, re-doing the regular horde so you can shoot off legs and fun junk like that, It sounds like a little much to be patched in.

I'm going to buy it, and I'm sure I'll be playing it constantly. For like, ever. Haha.

[mastiffchild]

And you don't think that it should be priced like any other online only game? You'd be losing your socks at the outstanding value then! Two pairs of dead siocks, eh? Excited now?

I still play Warhawk to this day but if the next one was to be a full price release without a SP campaign(and not just training like L4D)then I'd tell Sony/Incog/Dylan to stick it. I like L4D just fine but the brevity and pointlessness of the SP plus the lightness of the rest of the package is limiting, esp as the promises about DLC/mod support for console haven't been kept yet they're onto a sequel.

Look, if they price this right U'm all over it. If they give a real SP I'm all over it at fullretail. Otherwise it's just a bit of a con and despite the FACT I'll miss the extras my principle here is that if we let them once they'll do it again and worse in the future. My eagerness for more L4D doesn't outweigh my fears of being perpetually ripped off by a company I felt I could trust to at least earn my money.

[iANONYMOUS]

Haha,
You played L4d alone? It's boring like hell.
Go around shooting and listening to AI blabbering,
Playing with real people are soo fun.
I placed L4d 3rd on my list "Games that is fun"
First was Halo,2nd was COD4.
I do have to admit about being pissed off that DLC aint released yet.
Still, L4d2 looks fun.
More than 6 maps, and people will definitely stop the boycotted.

[DARK WITNESS]

well i didn't buy the first game so i look forward to boycotting this game. I am boycotting on the principal that i want Halflife 3 and i want it NOW !

[Pixel_Addict]

Steam is an over glorified DRM! It makes honest gamers' lives more difficult. I'd rather have my friend burn me a cracked pirated copy than be FORCED to use Steam to play some over hyped average shooter Valve farts out. You'd think a game with such a strong following would have a decent single player campaign. Valve could have saved itself some DVD9's and just released L4D on XBL arcade, because that is all L4D is really worth.

[danielle007]

L4D is only meant to be played co-op, durrr, it's one of the few real ahmazing co-op games. The single player is only for achievement whoring, really, so if you're playing it single player all the time, you're playing it wrong.

L4D is not worth just an arcade game. I played that game nonstop for months and months. And still go back to it. Infinitely re-playable.

[Pixel_Addict]

look, even that being so the L4D is still content shy. That is why Valve opted to offer the L4D community free updates. It has been said by Valve themselves. What good do updates and promised content do for a title that will become obsolete for many.

[badkolo]

i loved l4d but this is milking a game to its finest.

[jdktech2010]

have you heard of Madden or Call of Duty?

Valve releases a game a year later and gets steamrolled for it but Call of Duty and Madden (all sports games) are relased yearly and everyone buys it without saying a word.

Can't wait for L4D2

[mebob]

"have you heard of Madden or Call of Duty?"

i have

"Valve releases a game a year later and gets steamrolled for it but Call of Duty and Madden (all sports games) are released yearly and everyone buys it without saying a word."

Because those "everyone" are sports fan or little kids whose parents buy them every NFS or FIFA they want. Call of duty on the other hand is actually developed by 2 different developers.

We can't stop and inform everybody about how EA or Activison jibbs their customers. But what we can do is stand up and voice our outrage about mistreatment and unfairness and eventually they will have to hear us (or shut us up.).

[timmyrulz]

So will the same people be boycotting FF14 which is been released in the same quarter as ff13?

And before anyone says "its an MMO" L4D2 might be a game which is primarily based on single player

[GamerPS360]

FF14 is not on PC.

L4D2 boycotters are mainly PC players.

below: well, I said mainly.

going with your logic. They may not even play any games on any consoles and PC.

[Pistolero]

How do you know they are mostly PC players? Because they have an account on Steam? Ha, ha...even ps3 fanboys can have Steam accounts.

[Tomonobu Itagaki]

http://steamcommunity.com/g...
If you browse through the L4D2 Boycott members list, you will notice that most of them are regular Team Fortress 2 / Counter Strike / Left4Dead / Call of Duty / Warhammer players subscribed since several years now.

So much for the PS3 fanboys with 7-days-old free Steam accounts...

[bjornbear]

Just thought I'd add that to your comment ;) incase you were excluding the majority of people with a PS3

[mebob]

"Ha, ha...even ps3 fanboys can have Steam accounts."

And to have steam account what would you need? that's right a PC.
And with a PC what can you do? that's right play L4D.

[Pistolero]

Those whiny b*tches are going to complain no matter what.

I'm going to be thinking about you morons when I am playing Left4Dead 2.

[bjornbear]

Well at least we all know L4D has a whole lot of annoying cry baby fan base =P

They have the right to do wtv they want but this is really going out of the way xD

[pumpkinpunker]

it's not just L4D..Valve has an annoying fanbase in general for their popular multi-player games like Counterstrike and Team Fortress. reading the forums can be unbearable. people cry about everything.

[likedamaster]

Administrator of boycott group says: "While we are excited about the idea of new content, we are still in the dark about it..."

-Isn't that the point of new releases. Boycott it when it drops and you've seen the content you overly sensitive crying fanbabies! These guys remind me of ps3 fanboys.

[Ninjamonkey]

This reminds me of all fanboys...

Theyre ALL the same. Singling out one lot just makes you look like one...

[Silly Mammo]

Yeah what an annoy fanbase!! I can't believe that these gamers are unhappy about something and are actually voicing their opinion. They should just STFU and let Valve (and other companies) walk all over them. Did you ever wonder why companies are able to release a Madden, COD, GH and Rockstar game every year? Maybe because console gamers never complained and bought the game every year like good droids.

[danielle007]

This is Valve. They're voicing out against Valve. Valve has always treated their fan-base right. And they release one sequel in a timely manner instead of waiting a decade, and people are crying everywhere and having hissyfits and treating it like the world has ended.

It's not right, imo.

[moparful99]

Look we understand that in your opinion you got your money's worth.. But how does your opinion of value make what valve is doing justifiable? Obviously these people are irritated that one of the most respected devs in gaming have been using some awfully questionable practices as of late....

You may be used to the poor practices of companies that make console games but valve is a pc developer and the following they have amassed respects them emensely. I am by no means trying to generalize console game devs but this sort of practice is very common and accepted in the console realm... This is not the case on the pc I too would be upset to see a company throw away years of great customer service in order to make a quick turn around..

So too you I say this please be respectful of others opinions, These people are upset about something, enough so to voiice their opinion.. If you cant see that they expect more from valve than this, well you have no buisness judging them.. You have the right to voice your own opinion as well. However you're trying to pass off your own percieved value as means to silence those who speak out then you really arent any better by your own standars..

[Ace Killa 08]

@moparful99

hey man u got to stop living in the past the present is now and if vlave changing their tacticts thats life dude cant complaint about that

[mebob]

"thats life dude cant complaint about that"

Why can he complain about it? i mean if hes gonna pay his hard earned money for a game why can't he justify his purchase?

If you think we got anywhere in society by just accepting what the government or commercial companies spoon feed us then you are wrong. That's why their is thing call the media and the press. It is specifically design for people like moparful99 to voice his/her opinon and change what the government or commercial companies spoon feed us.

[Ace Killa 08]

really if you go on thinking your voice makes a difference than go make L4d2 a cheaper dlc game

but unless you have the cash now and i dont mean $60 dollars to buy a game than your voice will make a difference

and seriously you going to go complain to valve or to the media lets say that you bought a 60 dollar game and you want justice for it being over priced, while our america is in Sh*t in the economy, obama president(which is good), and this world full of swine flu virus. so lets forget all that issues for 25k people who think an overpriced game is coming and they cheap mothers who will really do nothin more with the money they save from buying a cheaper l4d2 than go buy dollar menu at mcdonalds

also you mention the govt spoon feed us now whos being a cry baby?

we are already spoiled and as a cheap @ss#oles we just want more and more things cheaper and simpler. which makes

[DailyAddict]

Anyone who has followed L4D2's E3 coverage (or was lucky enough to go to E3 and play it, like myself) can understand the boycott's concern. Everyone I spoke with that played L4D2 immediately just said it felt exactly like L4D1 and other than a few new monster types that weren't even remotely different (a Charger tank that runs at you really fast for a powerful hit, but goes down easily as an example), a few new levels, new characters that are stereotypical replacements for the first (in other words, same type of characters, slightly different look and different names) and what I think was a new shotgun, there wasn't a single thing anyone noticed that really warranted a whole new game. What was playable was easily just an add-on.

Now, Valve has said over the next few months they'll be announcing more details for L4D2, but unless they are substantial, the boycott is right at this point - the updates just don't justify a totally new game release and the fact that Valve even responded sort of implies that they know they are just milking the money train. Still, if you're a fan of L4D you're obviously going to get L4D2 and Valve knows this. Plus, despite Valve's claims that they'll continue to support L4D1 even after L4D2 comes out, we all know that's BS and there won't be any major updates to L4D1 once the sequel hits. At best there will be patches to improve performance and a little bone here and there, but all the new stuff will be going to L4D2.

Sorry folks, but just prepare to get raped. Money is the ruler in this economy.

[danielle007]

I like Valve a lot, and I'm overly excited for L4D2.

I just want all these nerdies to man up and get over it. They're not being forced to get L4D2, they can stick with the first. I mean, they'll have 16,000 other people to play with that are left on the first one, so I don't see why they're worried about the multiplayer being split. =P And honestly, I bet whenever Valve announced L4D2 these kids would be cranky about it.

Sure, the first L4D wasn't that huge, but honestly, that never mattered to mee with the amount that I play that game, I played it a lot more than other bigger games. I'm too excited for the new one. It'll be fun, kids, just give it a chance. I mean -- this is Valve we're talking about.

[mastiffchild]

Which is EXACTKLY why people are upset. Valve usually don't go in for this kind of whoring but after the first game was light on content, which has yet to be rectified by DLC or proper mod support for the 360, and still a full price release UNLIKE other games meant to be played online people smell a rat and a change of heart.

They , also, could afford to cut the price of the game in half for weekends on steam but nothing for 360 gamers?

Look, people think Valve listen to them as they have been good at it in the past and this feels like a kick in the teeth because it's Valve and not the likes of Activision. If Valve are doing this what hope of any value from any company in the future. Games are dear enough without this kind of thin but if you want to pay more for less that's your call. Just remember you make it worse for evryone by lying down for this-why don't you want a great game AND value?

To me Warhawk did that by being priced correctly and I'd expect more from Valve, tbh. It has NOTHING to do with me not wanting, as I do desperately, more L4D-it's, in fact because I want even more L4D at the right price.

[danielle007]

You expected mod support on the 360? I knew that was never going to happen, and still don't think it's going to happen. I bought it on the 360 because I wanted to play with my friends, not because I thought it was the value-added edition, that's obviously the PC - Which Valve has always favored, look at TF2. So if you were expecting your 360 version of the game to be worth more down the road, then you weren't thinking Valve, but I was when I bought the game, and recognized that it will be the inferior version, but I'd rather play it with my friends since it's co-op centric.

Valve told us they'd still be supporting L4D1. Honestly, I don't care that much, L4D keeps me interested regardless, I woulda been fine if everything stayed the same, since I still play that game to death, and never get bored. I go between campaign and verses binges.

So, anyways, I don't quite understand your argument. I'm "lying down and making it worse for everyone" by not expecting mod support for the 360, when it was clearly not going to happen? Or is it because I'm excited for a whole new game because it's going to be ... a whole new game, and I'm going to buy it?

Anyways, I played this game with my friends enough to be worth more than $60. Months upon months, hours into the night every day.. Ridic. and I can't imagine L4D2 being any different. So I'll throw my money at Valve, because they're cool.

Gosh, that made me sound like a nerd. Sigh.

[Revvin]

You just know the majority of the people claiming they will boycott L4D 2 will buy it. Many are likely snivelling kids who have already traded the game in for the 360 so where's the loyalty there?

[N2NOther]

Wait, so Valve isn't forthcoming with their product? And this is something new? They talk about things when they're ready to be talked about. Like I've said, Valve as an impeccable track record. If they say the content is too big for DLC then I believe them. All of the elements were fine-tuned and in place so a year to finish a sequel isn't that big of a deal. There is no story to speak of so writing wouldn't take them that long. Considering how much they changed the skins in the original game from when it was first shown to when it went gold wasn't that long either so that wouldn't take that long. The revamping the AI and the new maps and mechanics seem like they would take the longest but a year seems sufficient.

And they've said, SEVERAL times now that they're going to support the first game through DLC even after the new one ships. New maps and campaigns for all the modes seems feasible and if people want it it will be there. Me? I'm getting the new one.

[free2game365]

Believe that or not, but a one year development cycle doesn't justify a full priced product. I don't see how you could argue against that.

[xGrunty]

There's not much development going on, the source engine has been around for years, and I'm sure by now it would take no time for valve developers to tweak around the game and/or make a new one(l4d2).

Valve works on so many other things and here you guys are complaining about a 1 year development cycle and how the first game didn't get enough content.

If anything should be getting pulled up during these times. It's where the hell is Half-life 3.

[The real Colombian]

Don't get it if you don't want it quit crying.They are givin it more promo with the boycott,dumb asses.

[Silly Mammo]

All those who say "if you don't like it, don't buy it." I think that's what the petitioners are saying, but why not tell Valve why exactly they aren't going to purchase it? That's the great thing about freedom of speech.

[devilhunterx]

haha

[trgz]

We paid for a full game that proved pretty near bug free and then got extra content from Valve for free. It's not like they're milking it like the Sims series with it's multitude of expansion packs or charging extra for DLC (Fallout 3 et al and the rip-off that will be Sims 3) or simply not bothering to support a game like Ubisoft do (though I admit they did do those 10 maps for R6V).

[Jecht]

If console gamers cared this much, maybe we wouldn't have 3rd party companies releasing crap and remakes all the time. I'm looking at you SE. Oh, and Capcom.

[Ace Killa 08]

that would be an awful worl if it were like that

[Jecht]

Moderation would be in order, but the lack of any kind of passion from gamers this day and age leads to the acceptance of the RROD, DMC4's half-assed design, and game lengths being only 7 hours long (Heavenly Sword) because people are favoring flash over substance.

[saimcheeda]

are so stupid!!What stupid reasons to boycott a game!

[Ace Killa 08]

the majority of boycotters are the pc gamers

hey if i can pay $50 bucks for live for a year i can afford to pay $60 bucks for a new game :)

[NegativeCreepWA]

I cant wait for it to come out, the first one is just pure fun. Its the first co-op game I've ever played where you actually have to stick together to survive.

I think it'll be worth every penny.
5 Chapters, which is more than the first.
New infected bosses
New weapons

Sounds like a proper sequel to me.

And for the people that complain that it looks the same, what did you really expect its still running on the HL2 engine and Valve have already said we wont see the HL3 engine until after Episode 3. Which is my only complaint where is Episode 3?

Valve has never released a game that I didn't think was worth the money and until they do, I will continue to buy their games.

[CaptainMarvelQ8]

some fans boycott l4d 2 ,and valve responds to the boycotter's..
and the boycotters respond to valve..and the ....this is never gonna end xD

[Ace Killa 08]

hey when people get spoiled early one wat you expect they still want more stuff to be spoiled.

that will be the PC gamers honestly in 360 it be good to have somethin free every now and then but i dont cry if a new arcade comes out and i cry since its not free ITS BUSINESS.

now with l4d2 the game will come out i dont know if it will sell alot since around that time bioshock 2 and MW2 will come out soo it has a challenge to sell but i know it will pass 1mil since only 25k people are crying about this

[FadeToBlack]

Day one buy for me.

[neogeo]

for FREE! so i dont care

[jdktech2010]

your mom must be proud.....lol

[04soldier]

Then all of the fans including myself would be ticked off too. These guys have a right to boycott these shady game developing practices.

[xGrunty]

They're still going to buy the game, drop these articles already.

[jdktech2010]

I don't see how this is such a big deal.

They're releasing 5 new campaigns (same number as L4D1), new weapons, new ammo types, a supposedly improved AI director, new special infected and they're still gonna support L4D1.....

I'm just really confused why everyone is so upset when they're releasing a new game that is just as large as the first game. You wanted them to update this in DLC? Seriously? That's a lot of stuff to just download over the internet. I guess I don't understand the position because I didn't buy L4D1 but I know several people who did who are ecstatic about round 2

[mebob]

"I'm just really confused why everyone is so upset when they're releasing a new game that is just as large as the first game."

Because most people don't feel justified that they paid $60 for the first game knowing and expecting valve to be releasing extra DLC and expansions for the $60 that they payed. But instead valve is announcing a "sequel" and charging full price for it while shafting away their L4d fans.

"They're releasing 5 new campaigns (same number as L4D1), new weapons, new ammo types, a supposedly improved AI director, new special infected"

imo L4D is a very lackluster game to start with. there is really no story and only 4 maps, 1 Multyplyer mode and 8 similar guns and that's it. So it's really isn't that hard to slap some extra level's and add features that should've been in the first version anyway and call it L4d2 so they can charge full price for it

"and they're still gonna support L4D1"

You really think they'll support L4D1 when L4d2 is so close to being release? That's not a very smart business move for them.

"You wanted them to update this in DLC? Seriously? That's a lot of stuff to just download over the internet."

I guess your not a pc gamer, game patches can be well over a GB sometimes and maps can be huge as well. So the downloading part is a regular occurrence for pc gamers.

"I guess I don't understand the position because I didn't buy L4D1 but I know several people who did who are ecstatic about round 2"

If you don't understand the position then why did you claim that you "don't see how this is such a big deal." i also know 25000 people who are unhappy about this "round 2".

[jdktech2010]

the PC's ability but I'm thinking more about the 360 gamers and I can only go off what they say unless you can see the future and know exactly what they're gonna do.

They say they will still support the first one so that's all you can believe right now since there's no reason not to. Valve has always taken care of their customers. I understand some people might be upset but you can either buy it or you can't.........you can afford it or you can't

It seems pretty cut and dry to me

[mebob]

"the PC's ability but I'm thinking more about the 360 gamers and I can only go off what they say unless you can see the future and know exactly what they're gonna do."

Well most of the boy cotters are pc gamers, since most 360 owners are kids or casual gamers so they don't care what they get.

"They say they will still support the first one so that's all you can believe right now since there's no reason not to."

YES there is, they said that since the release of ld4 but all we got is a new mode. here check this out http://www.youtube.com/watc...

"Valve has always taken care of their customers."

imo the modders do most the work.

"I understand some people might be upset but you can either buy it or you can't.........you can afford it or you can't "

Or you can start a backlash and change things rather then just accept things the way they are which is a sure sign that freedom is in the decline.

life has more dimensions then just one, we need to look at things differently and speak out when we feel that they are wronging us. or thing will become worst.

[jdktech2010]

Well, to each their own.

I might have a different opinion if I had purchased L4D1 when it came out but regardless, I'll be buying L4D2 when it comes out (for PC if my computer can handle it.....sucks being a broke college student lol).

[Troll-Killer]

They admit in their response, that they are "in the dark" as to the contents and nature of L4D2....and yet they saw fit to BOYCOTT IT. Fvcking tools.