Console Crysis 2 a "breakthrough"

Eurogamer.net Writes:

Crytek boss Cevat Yerli has explained why it's taken the developer so long to commit to making its games for consoles, as it will with its next, Crysis 2: it's perfectionism.

There was 2 to 3 years of technical research and development into consoles before development on Crysis 2 started," Yerli told Gamespot. "We had to make a technological breakthrough before we could commit to those quality bars."

[Gun_Senshi]

bet its watered down version compared to PC

[Pistolero]

Of course the consoles aren't going to be able to do what a high end PC can do, but the game can still be one of the best looking shooters on consoles.

[Rhythmattic]

"They're not competing versus each other; they're competing within PS3, within 360, within PC."

Give everyone what they can get.... No prejudice...

This will hopefully make the industry step back and think.

[Rainstorm81]

More devs need to be like this, use the power of each platform as best you can everyone Wins

Reminds me of the SNES Genesis days.

[commodore64]

"If we want to be successful, our game has to be the best game that can exist on Xbox 360 and PS3... They're not competing versus each other; they're competing within PS3, within 360, within PC. That means we will try to maximize whatever PC gives us, whatever 360 gives us, whatever PS3 gives us."

The above quote means this will be THE definitive multiplat comparison.

Given that each platform will be maximised,
if the PS3 doesn't measure up, then no excuse will hold up either.

Can't wait for this one!

[All-3]

At the end of the day, it depends on... time = money.

With EA or any outside publisher, there's only so much time/money that any game project will receive. Very few games outside of 1st/2nd party development teams will get a green light for the - 'however long it takes' - or 'when it's done' treatment... and even then, there's usually a limit at some point.

Crytech talk ideally... and it all sounds great - but should development begin to run over budget or out of time for the release schedule/s that their publisher has planned... the publisher will step in and start putting its foot down. In the end - it's still a business, and money still rules, regardless of any game developer's intentions. If they aren't self-funded... the publishers paying the bills have a bigger say.

[MegaMohsi]

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[Pistolero]

Actually, Commodore64, they already said that they are maxing out the PS3 and they also said that the PS3 and 360 versions will look the same...which tells us that the PS3 is not more powerful than the 360. In fact, I bet the PS3 version will end up looking worse, despite the best intentions of the developer. So, I completely agree with you that "if the PS3 doesn't measure up, then no excuse will hold up either".

[Syronicus]

Don't fall into the trap of believing developers when they say that they have maxed out a console. You would be setting yourself up for a day when you look silly. Trust the proof in the pudding rather than words from somebody trying to sell you something.

What a dev means when they say they have maxed out a console is this, they mean they have maxed out the console using their current code. Later, they will trim down the code and make it more efficient and then make the claim again. Int he end, it is not about the console power but about how the devs use it. Today they will say they maxed it out but then next year come out with a game that looks and plays better. Now, if they can make a game better a year later, how is it that they maxed it out today?

Truth is, they never know what the future will bring and to fall into the trap of who maxed out what console only makes you, the gamer look silly.

[SuperM]

Actually this totally depends on how Crytek are utilizing the machines. From what i heard they said the PS3 version would be better with physics while the 360 version would have a slight advantage on shaders, which leads me to believe that they are not utilizing the cell for rendering and which again means that they can probably push more graphics out of the PS3 if they did, but this would affect its performance abit on physics etc. So if the graphics actually look the same or a tad better on 360 then i blame crytek for not utilizing the cells rendering capabilities.

[commodore64]

wow look ^^^^

the excuses have already begun!

[Claudinho69]

except that the ps3 exclusives looks better than all multiplats...

[LCF]

It's funny that Crytek really pushed the GPU on PCs and yet all that experience on PC is not going to help them if they think the Cell+RSX acts like your high-end CPU and GPU. Parallel processing is still new to game developers and the only groups that has show that they have had the best hand IS Sony and her 1st and 2nd parties.

I hope it's not pure ignorance (turn 10) that they can master the Cell+RSX in one try. I'm sorry Crytek but I have more faith in Sony's developers pushing the system with years of experience (plus Sony help make the Cell+RSX) behind them, then some PC developer that pushed PC's GPU to its limits 2 years ago.

[Consoldtobots]

@commodore

you accuse others of making excuses when they are just trying to shed proper light on this scenario. I accuse you of trying to frame the argument and conclusion before we have ANY idea of what this engine will do in a real game. Some of you chucksters try to get one over everytime but there are those of us here who don't fall for that crap. I wouldn't say the cry-engine is the definitive anything until we see how it runs and exactly what processing power it utilizes in the PS3. Like the other poster said if the rendering pipeline doesn't start in the SPUs then this conversation is a waste of time.

[DaTruth]

Funny cause I just said this!

What PS3 can do: Infamous

What multiplats lowest common denominator can do: Prototype

Any question?

Definitive multiplat will still be 1/2 what PS3 exclusives can do. What is your excuse for Prototype?

[rockleex]

Will be divided among PC, 360, and PS3. That's THREE platforms that they're dividing their resources on.

In the end, it will never be as good as if they FULLY focused on just ONE of those platforms. Especially if you consider development costs, resources, etc.

[commodore64]

problem is, the ps3 has set a plethora of precedents with inferior multiplats.

In each case that the ps3 didn't measure up, the excuses were plenty.

In the comment above, BEFORE THE GAME HAS EVEN RELEASED, the excuses have begun, just in case the ps3 doesn't measure up.
Not only that but the damage control has begun as well!
Tut-tut!
Are you guys gamers or excuse-makers?

In any case, I am looking forward to seeing the comparisons.
I am hoping that the excuses will cease once and for all following the release of this game.

[SnuggleBandit]

@commodore...well have you seen uncahrted 2? ok what s the 360's best looking game gears 2?

I think everyone not blinded by fanboism can see that the ps3 can produce better graphics when taken advantage of

[commodore64]

whoops!

I thought we were talking about multiplats?

Why is it that as soon as we all agree that multiplats on ps3 suck, you guys start taslking about exclusives?

It is all a bit predictable.

[Anon1974]

It's because anyone with a brain in their head knows the PS3 is a superior machine because we've all SEEN the evidence, time and time again. Just because a couple of multiplats looked better on the 360 back in 2007 doesn't somehow negate the fact that nothing on the 360 can graphically touch games like MGS4, GT5, Heavy Rain, Killzone 2, Uncharted, Uncharted 2, GOWIII, etc...etc.

We know when a multiplat is inferior the answer is simple, the developer for whatever reason couldn't hack it...and we know that's a fact because we've seen what others can do on the PS3 hardware.

If the 360 is such a better machine, where's the proof? Why isn't there a single title out that can compete? It's been 2 years since Gears came out and Gears 2, while a fantastic game, is really only a slight improvement from the original and still can't compete with the top PS3 titles. Where's your proof, and don't tell me it's because occassionally some multiplat has a slightly better texture if you pause the game, if the lighting in the room is just right and you squint really hard at the third rock to the left in the far background.

[caladbolg777]

Dark, I really don't see why you even bother with these tw@ts. You're wasting time that could be better spent playing good games or shagging beautiful women.

[commodore64]

...only problem is that it is literally over a hundred multiplats that look better on the 360.

Well over a hundred. Is that proof enough?
and... the trend has continued well through 2008 and 2009.

The most recent installment?
http://n4g.com/events_e3200...

Only someone with a delusional agenda could not see it.

[Anon1974]

Could it be that it's not true?
Just look at metacritic. If a hundred multiplats are better on the 360 vs the PS3, why isn't this reflected in the scores. How have professional game reviewers missed for the past 2 years that all games are better on the 360 if that's the case? The reason is simply that it's not true. Even look at a site like "Lens of Truth". Of the comparison's they've run on there, half the titles they've compared are better on the PS3 or identical to the 360 counterpart, half have a slight advantage on the 360 - according to their opinion. Not quite the fabrication you'd have users of N4G believe.

And we've seen that report by some guy on the E3 floor who claims the PS3 version has jaggies with no idea who this guy is, what versions were running at E3, no evidence to back it up. Heresy is not evidence to support your ridiculous claim of "hundreds" of multiplat's better on the 360. Nor does it negate the FACT that the PS3 has proven itself a graphically superior machine to the 360, over and over and over again with it's exclusives. There's no denying that.

@ caladbolg777. There's something to that, but today I'm just killing time before I have to go stain my deck. I suppose I should get to it. :)

[DARK WITNESS]

I agree, i would really like to see them push the hardware on an individual level. push both systems but none of this dumping down to make them look equal.

what i am really looking forward to or hoping is that they license the engine to other Devs. We have had enough of the market flooded with epic's space marine production line multiplier.

[Serg]

Well technically Crytek is a engine developer and FarCry and Crysis are "tech demos", like Quake 3 was for the id Tech 3 engine and Doom 3 for the id Tech 4 engine and so forth.

They are in for licensing the engine, maybe this time they manage to get a lot of devs on board. Epics UE3 is structured the same as UE2, devs are familiar with it already, takes them less time to produce decent games, hence the UE3 based games flood.

[DARK WITNESS]

Thanks for the info and bubble to you man.

I knew they had made engines, but didn't know that was their actual primary focus. let me re-phrase what i said; I hope other devs start to use their engine a lot more.

thanks again.

[commodore64]

if that is the case, then why-oh-why aren't they licensing the KZ2 engine for use across more games on ps3?

That would only make sense!

Why not port the engine to the 360?
even more sense!

[DARK WITNESS]

@ C64...

while i am not expert on it i would imagine that a lot of the killzone 2 tech is already being used in future projects ( remember killzone only just launched ) I am sure the would not want to crap on it's hype by showing us too much of what else is using their tech before the game even launched.

No 2. Sony practically paid for the engine. they own it ( i think but i could be wrong ) I very, very much doubt that they would let MS use it to showcase their games, not to mention there is the debate as to weather the 360 can even run the engine.

but i totally expect to see more ps3 games using the tech ( engine )in other titles.

[Serg]

May I ask, what in the world are you talking about? What has Crytek to do with KillZone? Guerrilla Games developed most of the engine, some of Sonys other 1st party studios provided components as well. Again, your link to Crytek is...? Crytek makes their own engines and they are licensing them, I don't know any game besides Crysis that was using the CryEngine 2, but I think with CryEngine 3 and all of it's great productive multiplatform capabilities, like realtime editing of every part of the game and being able to play on any platform at the same time, they have a convincing argument over Epic games Unreal Engine 3.

Look up the GDC 09 interview with Cevat Yerli, he explains a few things about it if you are interested.

[bjornbear]

And in the end don't throw us "PS3 is too complicated" crap please =(

I have faith in thee CRYTEK!!!!! Do not let us gamers down! =D (i know they wont ^^)

[All-3]

Errrr... tell that to Sony as well. Remember Sony has basically stated that too.

[SuperM]

Ehm no, sony has not stated that PS3 is TO complicated. They have said that its meant to be a challenge to get the most out of the machine. I dont see how you can translate that into sony saying PS3 is to complicated to develop on.

[MegaMohsi]

Crytek is one of my favorite developers, Crysis was very underappreciated for it's gameplay and story, overshadaowed by the best graphics on any console/pc game for 2 years and running so far.(We'll see Arma 2)

[Barragan]

it has been overshadowed by console cames 2 years in a row, probably more, its just hyped pc fans keep reviving the old bones crysis and crysis warhead, even maxed out on the best "pc" gpus it still doesnt stand against the best of "consoles" exclusives

[likedamaster]

Now they just have to make the game "fun".

[cyberwaffles]

crytek's enthusiasm and commitment to making a game that reaches its limit for each platform. that's dedication and shows initiative which i highly respect from them. just about all multiplatfforms fail to conduct this type of business in game development and that's why they end up looking half ass when compared to great devs such as crytek.

back in the day, valve was my favorite developer; now that things are changing, i think i can remove valve from my list and add crytek to it. not only are they trying to achieve a technical feat for gaming consoles, but they also pushed boundaries in developing the new cryengine to hopefully outsource the unreal engine.

great job crytek, the best of luck to you.

[2FootYard]

More developers should be like Crytek. They really seem dedicated.

Lol at the ego-stroking tool Dylantalon.

[TH3 GAM3]

Crysis took 7 years to complete development. It suppose to be the best looking game but I think they believe they have the same amount of time with Crysis 2. Crysis 2 on Pc most likely will look better than its console counterparts. Its console counterparts won't look better than any exclusive on that platform, 360 or PS3.

[KampferZeon]

I am not trying to be pessimistic here. Crytek are good developers but I am not sure they are the best. Yes, Crytek produces the best looking game Crysis on PC but you need a monster PC to run it. It's hard to judge their skill if the graphics card is so powerful.

If they could make a decent game based on Intel onboard graphics then I will be more impressed with their skills

And Sony has thousands of 1st part and 2nd party employees working on the PS3 and some of these employees are the top developers in the world.

I don't think Crytek could do better than Sony so few resources compared to Sony.

[raztad]

Let's see what they got before to get excited. I feel this "breakthrough" is just Crytek trying to build hype around its engine.

We have seen games like KZ2 and the upcoming UC2, heck even R&C:ACiT looks awesome. SC:Conviction is rising the bar on the 360, and Lost Planet 2 is, IMO, the best looking multiplat so far. Those game are proof than breakthroughs are being made everyday by seasoned console developers. More so, knowing the story of Crytek making highly unoptimized games, seems to me this "breakthrough" is something the developers of GoW3 could have been doing for a while :D

That said, here is hopping those guys at Crytek find a good way to take advantage of each platform. Capcom MT 2.0 engine is an amazing engine, both RE5 and now LP2 got awesome visuals, will Crysis 2 top that? lets see.

[free2game365]

I don't know what you're on but the jungles in Lost Planet 2, uncharted, ect look like ass compared to the ones in Crysis.

[AbdullaMTR]

((Of course the consoles aren't going to be able to do what a high end PC can do, but the game can still be one of the best looking shooters on consoles))

i disagree ps3 more powerful then pc uncharted 2 say hi draw distance in uc2 never done on pc the level of details and and animation only possible by the cell (SPU) and the blue ray, GOW3 the scale f*cking epic u play on a living, moving titan + 50 enemy's + 1080p + 60 frame + high polygons and more only possible by the cell, 256 online player fps (MAG) only possiable by the cell never done on pc,, no racing games look better than GT5 and look how gt5 look photo realistic 1080p 60 frame that never done on pc..

dont say pc better because of it spec please bring one dev taking advantage of all that power please dont tell me (EA) or (U-soft) only sony got the power with 1st party to take all the power on there hardware 3party = meh games 1st party=win.. :) and still no one max out the ps3 kz2 was only the beginning of its power..

i'll believe crysis 2 using the ps3 power when they use all the 50 gb not only 8gb (limited by dvd 360 v.)

[STONEY4]

Did you ever play Crysis on PC on max settings? It looks near realism. Nothing on either console looks close.

And stop bragging about 1080p and 60 fps, alot of monitors can run at almost double that resolution, and on PC if you have a good rig you can run most games over 60 fps.

"draw distance in uc2 never done on pc"

C'mon many PC games have better draw distance the Uncharted 2.

"256 online player fps (MAG) only possiable by the cell never done on pc"

Maybe because no developer has tried?

"no racing games look better than GT5 and look how gt5 look photo realistic 1080p 60 frame that never done on pc.."

Because since GTR2 there has been no good racing sims made for PC.

[Gamer_Politics]

are you stupid?i cant believe you said ps3 is more power then pc.....how is that possible when PC's can be upgraded with new tech by the user at anytime......all that stuff that us console boys have on our 360/ps3 is years old on pc

[AbdullaMTR]

no i am not stupid.. ((all that stuff that us console boys have on our 360/ps3 is years old on pc)).

i think i i said dev use the technology more efficient.

pc 8 gb with 2 gb gpu i mean where the hell that power wasted

ps3 only 256 main ram and look at uncharted 2 lool just let me shutup :#

ps3 games speaking for it self no need to explaine any...

[Gamer_Politics]

consoles will never be power as pc......and that cell in the ps3 is nothing there are way more powerful chipsets that pc owners can throw inside of there rig at anytime while us console owners are stuck with same old tech...PC will always be miles ahead

[Consoldtobots]

from earth to MORON:

are pc's running 3.2ghz memory chips?

are pc's running flex-i/o buses between the memory chips, multicore processors and GPUs?

are pc's using 50gb dual layer discs?

now please stfu you ignorant troll/.

[All-3]

Translate this then...

Kaz Hirai, CEO, Sony Computer Entertainment is quoted from the February 2009 Official PlayStation Magazine as stating this...

QUOTE: "We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that (developers) want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so then the question is, what do you do for the rest of the nine-and-a-half years? So it's a kind of--I wouldn't say a double-edged sword--but it's hard to program for, and a lot of people see the negatives of it, but if you flip that around, it means the hardware has a lot more to offer."

1) We don't provide the easy to program for console that developers want...

2) ... but it's hard to program for...

Now go translate that!

[andron]

I payed the game on PC and it looks good. But gameplay wise it's a FPS like so many others. Some cool powers are nice.

To me this game has been a bit overhyped because of the graphics...

[cyclindk]

Duh!!! All Crysis had going for it was graphics and that's if YOU, the owner, had a PC to run it. :)

[yojoe26]

Sounds like they are going to maximize the game for each console. Admittedly at first I just wanted all of the PS3 multiplatform games to at least match the quality of their 360 counterparts, but now that I have seen what the PS3 is capable of I have gotten greedy in wanting each and every game to take advantage of it's architecture. I no longer want them to be the same I want the PS3 version to be superior! hehehe....

[shazui123]

"Actually this totally depends on how Crytek are utilizing the machines. From what i heard they said the PS3 version would be better with physics while the 360 version would have a slight advantage on shaders, which leads me to believe that they are not utilizing the cell for rendering and which again means that they can probably push more graphics out of the PS3 if they did, but this would affect its performance abit on physics etc. So if the graphics actually look the same or a tad better on 360 then i blame crytek for not utilizing the cells rendering capabilities".

SuperM got 2 phantom disagrees for this coment, whoever disagreed is an idiot, this statement and opinion has been backed up by a fact and is only talking facts. Many developers have said exactly what hes stated. If the ps3 version isnt surpassing the 360 version graphically then Crytek havent optimised their code enough and therefore havent taken full advantage of hte ps3 at all. This is not the greatest multiplat comparison, nor is it a test of the ps3 versus 360. That test has been won already through exclusives. This is about cryteks skill as developers.

[Ninjamonkey]

God finally.

Devs need to do this more, optimise each game for that specific console.

[xg-ei8ht]

PC's have alot higher overhead then consoles.

Trust me, you'll be surprised how good these console games look when complete.

[xc7x]

:-/

[keysy420]

when k2 dropped their was a article that compare cyrsis to k2 and in some aspect k2 looked better. unless im missing something 1st party developers have kicked ass in development for the ps3 but 3rd party havent. i'm surprised a 3rd party said that they got the most out of the cell this would be the first so im sckptical of how much power of the ps3 is really being used

[tudors]

as long as I am surprised by the quality of the finished product, PS3 and 360 should not even be able to handle Crysis 2, if they can get it even close to the original PC version then we can all rejoice, remember we have all been impressed with both consoles latest offerings, surely the only result is that in the end we are all happy, all I can say is what a Sh*t time to be out of a job.

[Barragan]

and it says that ps3 can do more than any pc newest hardware maxed out for the next 5 years easily, so i think the ps3 SHOULD be able to do crysis 2-10

i have a game on my 360 called splinter cell conviction and it says anything on any pc maxed out newest hardware for the next 2-3 years is easily able to be done better on 360

UNDERSTAND

[keysy420]

pc gamer can upgrade but he ps3 can use multiple system to maximaze computer and processing power. if it ever get to that point ill but another ps3 just to compute the power

[Barragan]

maxed out latest pc gpus to "old" ps3 hardware that still isnt maxed out, and has a 10 year lifecycle and is still putting pcs best looking games to shame, allgulaf, are you sure that pcs are ahead of ps3? if that were so, then surely some game has maxed out a ps3, but the latest gpus on pc have surely been maxed out and used on crysis and crysis warhead, and yet there still aint nothin that looks better than gow 3 and the last guardian and modnation racers and drakes fortune among thieves, and who knows what else sony has planned and is making behind the scenes, you still dont understand why sony has never stopped pushing since e3 2005 when sony ps3 embarrassed pc as it did in e3 2009 again, that things are ONLY POSSIBLE ON PS3, despite the words of delusional pc fans that really believe that pcs are more powerful than ps3, but dont take my word for it, look at e3 2009 yourself, sony didnt say only possible on the ps3 "console" but it said only possible on the ps3 "platform" including over pc also, pc isnt any exception, and ps3 is gonna keep going up from kz2 and all and i remember 1 year ago or so you pc fans were saying the NVIDIA 8800gtx gpu was FAR more powerful than ps3, and soon as that was shut down, now 1 year or so later your still trying to find new gpus and new cpus that compete with the "4 or 5 year old" gpu RSX in ps3 which is really a "7800gtx NVIDIA gpu" or was it "7600gtx?" all i know is from the power of what that thing was the ps3 games shouldnt look even as good as heavenly sword, but things on ps3 have trumped that several times over, and to the idiot that tried to say something on pc looks better than Drakes Fortune Among Thieves, can it, theres nothing out and nothing coming on pc (in realtime) on any of the latest gpus maxed out that can comprehend the visuals of that game, so get over it, i honestly never thought crysis or crysis warhead even looked better than killzone 2 or grand turismo prologue, and there are many that also believe that, but since pc fans make up the whole internet (sad but true) they have basically silence the ones that really believe that, and its all thanks to cryteks BOLD talking before ps3 even came out, saying how pcs are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more powerful than ps3 and 360, and yet the two of these are BOTH dominating the hardware of pcs from that time, and still dominating the pc hardware from this time, how can i say that? well a pc can be used to its max at anytime because of settings and such options availible on pc, one strongpoint of pc, but on a "console" or a ps3 you cant max them out, atleast not for a long time, but for ps3 there is seemingly no limit, proof that ps3 has no limit is WARDEVIL ENIGMA which looks better than any and every game maxed out hardware or not, 2005-20 whatever hardware, and DIGI-GUYS STILL hasnt maxed out ps3, and they have been working on WARDEVIL since 2004, dont tell me no crap like a pc is FAR beyond ps3 when the pc by sonys standard with ps3 is still not b3yond and not next gen, so get real with yourselves

[Gamer_Politics]

PC's can never be maxed out because the users has the choice to upgrade there hardware while us console owners dont....lets not be foolish 360/ps3 are great consoles but will never offer the same amount of raw power that PC's have....

[trancefreak]

Ill tell you 1 thing for sure I was an avant PC gamer until the ps3 came out then I started slowly moving away from the pc to the ps3.

I mean the pc owned the ps2 and xbox in sheer power and graphics but now the ps3 has some hot looking games that rival or surpass pc games.

I think besides the great looking ps3 exclusives pc devs are not putting enough energy into the next high end gaming engines because they are catering to pc/xbox/ and ps3. Most pc games will look the best for obvious reasons but eventually game devs have to take that step forward and start pushing pcs again.

Seriously my 8800 gtx is still working just fine 2 years + later and thats saying something. Its more about cross platform gaming than high end graphics in most cases IMO.

All in All the ps3 is a console beast but cant match high end pc gaming.

[Barragan]

you can never say that cause we havent seen a maxed out ps3, and second ps3 and 360 dont NEED to get upgrades cause the power that the increase a pc WILL have is already calculated in ps3 and whatever other consoles and yet they will progress along with your pcs, why do you think pc games didnt start looking better than xbox and ps2 games til like 2004 last gen? cause the hardware in the consoles are built to last, but since ps3 is litterally not a console, its gonna take over 10 years to truly push everything out of it, so pcs can keep upgrading and yet ps3 will be right there still ahead

[electricgta]

now douchebags focus on the damn story!!!

[cyclindk]

Sounds like standard BS to me... but we'll see.

It's difficult to imagine a developer making a multiplat title with the strengths of each platform in mind, beyond the insignificant ones like trophies or achievements for god's sake.

We saw what kind of lighting KZ2 had, so we know what's possible; if the 360 version has a superior lighting system than PS3's, or the PS3's isn't leagues ahead then this article is true, but still BS. This is a generalization, but we all know they aren't gonna spend more time or effort, to any degree, on one platform or another to maximize its strengths; he should have said "...within the same development window...," i.e. when the release date hits or we get similar looking games, we stop working.

[traverstrousers]

yeah don't believe a word of this I'm gonna wait for reviews and keep playing heavy rain when it's out

[Barragan]

you can never say that cause ps3 isnt anywhere near maxed out and is still embarrassing the best of the newest and maxed out of the newest pcs, i cant even tell you to show me proof because theres no game that maxes out ps3 to show me proof on your behalf, but there is one for pc matter o fact theres 2 arma and crysis but they still fall short of ps3s best and thats not a max ps3, too bad pcs are all hype and no delivery

[trancefreak]

Lets not kid ourselves you can not get the same graphical high detailed resolutions as you can on a pc with a ps3.

It would be nice man but you are living in a fantasy over this topic. I also own 3 ps3s and 2 gaming rigs I can tell the difference between the 2 is there and the pc wins.

The ps3 is an amazing machine that will have amazing games but the ps3 isnt going to match the latest pc graphic cards coupled with a intel core i7.

[Barragan]

and yet we are still awaiting the next pc hardware to make games look better on pc than ps3 exclusives vs exclusives, anyone can say what you said and be a phony, plain and simple

[trancefreak]

Dude are you a retard or you just don't get it im a serious hard core sony ps3 gamer. I have a high end pc and the ps3 and your telling me the ps3 is more capable of higher resolution and more detailed graphics. Dont be a fool Man I know the ps3 is a beautiful machine thing but you going freaking overboard without facts.

Your talking to me like im a 360 owner who your out to prove a point too. Don t embarrass ps3 owners please. Now i present a link

http://www.strategyinformer...

"The PC version will look better, because of the fact that the PC can do more. It will be scaling up. But on the consoles, you're competing with console games," he explained.