Valve: We don't see big bad and evil side of Microsoft

Speaking to VideoGamer.com at E3 last week, writer Chet Faliszek talked up Valve's relationship with Microsoft when asked if a PS3 version had ever crossed anyone's mind.

He said: "If it crossed someone's mind it wasn't the focus. The focus was 360 and PC. A) it's what we develop on. B) it's the platform we think lends itself to the interaction of our game the best."

Faliszek also revealed some interesting titbits on the relationship Microsoft shares with Valve, describing Microsoft marketing staff as "hardcore" Left 4 Dead players.

[qface64]

of course they don't they only see the good $$$ $ide of microsoft

lol couldn't resist

[lociefer]

* I know they’re supposed to be big, bad and evil but that’s not the side we see of them* stating that means that even gabe knows that m$ is evil, well as long as they keep sending the cash he's not gonna see that side

[el zorro]

Microsoft isn't evil. It isn't a perfect company, but then again neither is Sony (rootkit fiasco, proprietary formats, and exploding batteries say hi). All in all Microsoft is a very good company and the majority of people who hate on them are either fanboys, competitors or bandwaggon-riding mindless sheep that don't have a clue what they are talking about.

[table]

so, basically you mean everyone hates them then :)

[Hellsvacancy]

Its coz Valve r a bunch browns noses ( http://www.urbandictionary....

[Bnet343]

What I don't understand is over half the time, PS3 only owners say they'll get it on PC. So shut up and get it on PC, why would you care if it comes to PS3 or not.

[The Master Chief]

Microsoft aren't evil(oooo spooky), they are massive corporation with unlimited amounts of money, willing to bring fierce competition to it's competitors.

The aren't the Mafia, Nazi's or Mother Teresa either.

I LOVE my Xbox 360, I've owned every single console since NES including all this generaiton and it's by far my favorite I've ever owned.

Microsoft not only wants to beat you, but show you up in the process. You know not to bet against them and it feels good supporting something of there's. You know if it gets outdone or something, they will come right back with something better or more. I will never doubt Microsoft. They get things done.

[table]

"I will never doubt Microsoft. They get things done."

Yes, and they get things done by any means possible.

Microsoft are infamous for their foul play. It's just a well known fact. That doesn't mean that I, or anyone else, dislike their products for it though.

Edit @ below comments: Incase you haven't noticed, they have a major lawsuit like every month lol. Stop kidding yourself guys.

@all time greatness: you just couldn't help taking a cheap shot a the ps3 could you.

[DelbertGrady]

$249 for 2005 tech in a new casing. Now that's evil.

[el zorro]

"Microsoft are infamous for their foul play. It's just a well known fact."

No, it is a bullsh*t "fact". I've read a lot of the Microsoft-bashing essays on the internet and not a one of them hold water. I used to live in Washington state and the amount of things Microsoft does for Seattle and communities up there and all over the world is truly commendable.

Microsoft have got where they are at by providing products and services that people want and in many cases doing it better than their competitors, plain and simple.

[All Time Greatness]

"Yes, and they get things done by any means possible.

Microsoft are infamous for their foul play. It's just a well known fact. That doesn't mean that I, or anyone else, dislike their products for it though."

Please help enlighten us with what you know that goes on behind close doors with Microsoft....

What you mean sometimes spending money on things Sony can't afford?? Cry them a River! They have more money than Sony and they can afford more. They also didn't release a 600$(over a 1,000$ to produce for Sony at first) unnecessary movie player, putting them billions in the hole for half a decade. lol

[Christopher]

But they sure do have a monopoly on OS and Office Product software. Sure, there are other options. Now, how many of those options are being used by businesses compared to Microsoft's 98% coverage of both Home and Business usage?

So, yeah, not evil. Just unbelievable powerful and crossing them without having Nintendo or Sony to back you would be the dumbest thing in the world.

In regards to Valve's preference of development platforms, it's because they know PC programming really well. That's all. They don't want to put the time, effort, or money into learning to code for the PS3 because they do well enough with what they do know. I really don't care about seeing their games come to the PS3. If they do, fine, otherwise, *shrugs* whatever.

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

Another bunch of children saying "bu bu bu ps3 fanboys are teh worse!!", and yet they agree with themselves, patting their backs, making group fellatio, and so on.

Anyway, Corporations are as evil as they can get, it's just that Microsoft has a monopoly in many industries so of course they seem more evil. Oh, and of course Valve won't see how evil they are, MSFT butters their bread.

[Pistolero]

"Corporations are as evil as they can get"

You sound like a socialist...are you?

[Syronicus]

I get paid by the company I work for and would say privately that they have an evil side. However, if I were to speak publicly, I too would say I don't see an evil side to the company I work for. They sign my paychecks, so I refrain from biting the hand that feeds me. In other words, as long as Valve is receiving love from MS, you can't trust their opinion when it comes to the darker side of the corporation.

And to the fanbabies out there, this is not a note against MS, it is not singling out MS since we all know that ALL corporations have an evil side.

[LONEWOLF231]

I think if there was only a way to create a game that was crossplatform PS3 vs 360 gamers MAYBE then this whole foolish little console war would die off. Both systems offer incredible features and insane looking graphics, Just take a look at Alan Wake, GT5, Forza 3, GOD OF WAR 3(this game looks INSANE!), Heavy Rain, Splinter Cell Conviction so on and so forth. On to the matter at hand, Valve seriously needs to release this on the PS3 along with proper support. Gabe if you do you can bet your @$$ that youll be making more than enough money to buy a 5 year supply of Twinkies.

[TheDude2dot0]

"Please help enlighten us with what you know that goes on behind close doors with Microsoft....

What you mean sometimes spending money on things Sony can't afford?? Cry them a River! They have more money than Sony and they can afford more. They also didn't release a 600$(over a 1,000$ to produce for Sony at first) unnecessary movie player, putting them billions in the hole for half a decade. lol"

I'm not sure about you, but Anti-trust is a big deal where I live

[SaberEdge]

But the anti-trust case was all a big scam. Other companies couldn't manage to compete effectively so they ran to the federal government begging them to do something about it. Microsoft did nothing wrong or illegal. Their only crime was being too successful. It's the same kind of crap going on right now with the socialist-minded bureaucrats in the EU trying to make Microsoft box its competitors web browser products in with their own. It's wrong.

Behind every anti-trust suit there is usually a jealous competitor (or competitors) that is being beaten fair and square and has to blame their failures on a supposed monopoly held by the other company. Look at AMDs claims against Intel for a perfect example. I can't see a single thing that Intel has done wrong, except make better business decisions.

[zodiac909]

took the words right out of my mouth!

[aldesko]

"MS evil" lolol yeah, ok...

I do think members of Valve worked for MS at one point or another, but regardless, does anyone capable of intelligent thought actually think MS is "evil"?

[ShabzS]

after they finally brought a metal gear to 360 ... they are aces in my book ... its like they could here me begging from 3000 miles away ..

[Christopher]

Monopolies are also against the law.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

If you really look at the haters, usually they have no good arguments but just baseless bashing. MS has been such a target for so long... I think it is just a reflection of their success beating their competitors and leaving some p!ssed of customers loyal to a particular brand or product.

In my book, MS has done alright by me. They are also at the forefront to accept gay/lesbian employees.

@saberedge above:
Unfortunately, monopoly is a result of your business being too successful.

[Ju]

Oh man, only kids in here, hah ? Maybe MS is doing payback for all the crap they've pulled over the years.

I mean, for years they have bought out the competition when they had a product which was actually better then theirs and could have been a thread to their own.

The browser just one of the examples - after they based their work on Mosaic, like everybody else. It wasn't the better product, which was successful, but the way it was distributed. I as a consumer would vouch for the better quality.

They weren't more successful, but simply more hostile. How many small companies had they just bought out to get rid of the competition on the market, hah ?

Can't believe that you just forget that because its so convenient right now. Time heals all wounds, that's for sure.

Valve is a MS spin off anyway, founded by Gabe, and ex MS employee.

[RememberThe357]

You guys are such little children. All this bickering over which company is more evil is pathetic.

This isn't even about Sony yet some defensive fanboys had to bring it up to try and switch focus.

One person makes a comment then ten more people decide to not respond to the comment but add little sarcastic bullshit.

This is the Gamer Zone, leave that crap in the Open Zone.

Microsoft is not the evil empire they are portrayed as. They are also not the love child of angels that some peopel here seem to think they are. They are focused on maintaining their markt share and some times they get desperate.

If you think that the whole RROD and Vista things are none existent then your blind. MS has vet to address the RROD and they are already going cut Vista.

Then there are the people acting like Insomniac or Sucker Punch would say the same for Sony.

Seriously, stop and think about things first. Valve has a great relationship with MS, why would they be seeing the evil part of MS? MS hasn't screwed them over yet.

[rockleex]

Sony and PS3 fanboys.

So according to their logic, anyone who doesn't like the way Microsoft does business is a Sony fanboy?

Please, just focus on the topic at hand, and that's Microsoft.

Why does everything always have to be turned into a "console war"?

[TheDude2dot0]

"But the anti-trust case was all a big scam. Other companies couldn't manage to compete effectively so they ran to the federal government begging them to do something about it. Microsoft did nothing wrong or illegal. Their only crime was being too successful. It's the same kind of crap going on right now with the socialist-minded bureaucrats in the EU trying to make Microsoft box its competitors web browser products in with their own. It's wrong.

Behind every anti-trust suit there is usually a jealous competitor (or competitors) that is being beaten fair and square and has to blame their failures on a supposed monopoly held by the other company. Look at AMDs claims against Intel for a perfect example. I can't see a single thing that Intel has done wrong, except make better business decisions"

MS was extremely successful... after monopolizing the computer software industry. To compete with them was suicide, which is basically what Anti-trust is. A lot of shoddy things were done to bring MS to the top.

[Serg]

Stupidity is like a flu, it can never be extinct.

Microsoft has existed before most of you were even born, yet you base most of the stuff you write on the Xbox, 360 here 360 there. Windows is the world standard OS, this is huge, compared to that the Xbox is a tear drop in the ocean. An OS gets used by companies, households, governments and even the military.

Microsoft did a lot of "morally grey" things in the past, I am talking Windows 95 past, not Xbox.

Windows 98, which was nothing more than Windows 95 with a slightly different look and newer in house drivers. Windows ME was almost exactly the same as 98 and therefore 95, bluescreens wherever you look. Yet it's release price was even higher than the release price of 98. Some security leaks were even carried over from older Windows versions, well it's certainly no secret that they simply improved on the Windows 95 coding, it's just that, the newer version lacked the "improved" part. XP was the first good OS they produced, some would think they finally made it, there comes Vista.

It's not that MS is evil in the sense of overtaking the government and bringing chaos and anarchy, but it's their business practice that caused so many people to not like, or even hate them. And their track record of innovation, uhm, do they have one? Can't be that big because Windows started as an Amiga OS ripoff, now you see more and more Linux and MacOS elements with each new version.

It's clear that I don't like them, well I hate them, but the Xbox is definitely not the reason.

[BWS1982]

the thousands of employees that MS JUST laid off like a few months ago, in the Entertainment division, wasn't it about %17 of their workforce? That's about 1 out of 6 people.

I'd like to know the justification of such an outcome, the ends justifies the means? How many families are destroyed? MS isn't the only one to lay off thousands, especially in this economic climate, the major difference is we know how many millions MS was throwing around in the console/games industry for years now, trying to better the competition and buy off properties or undue exclusiveness. It's one thing to throw the money around when you have it, it's quite another thing when you pretend/believe you do and your employees find out the hard way, you don't. I wonder how many lives would be different if that $50 million DLC deal didn't go down. Who's to say Rockstar wouldn't have just put out that content for all anyways, just the same, had they not been given that offer? And thousands would have jobs still? But now Microsoft shafted their own workers (and families) for financial setbacks....and the price of such an act comes into question.

I can't prove the layoffs wouldn't have happened anyways, but when you spend like they have for the last few years in this "war" then lay people off in the thousands...you have to question their integrity.

Evil is a bit extreme, but the facts don't paint them as "selfless" by any measure.

[Kaneda]

Valve is like Naughty Dog or Insomniac for Sony. They are just more openly express their favor platform so more gamers buy xbox and buy their games.

[The Lazy One]

The justification is simple. A lot of them were un-needed jobs in RROD repair and call taking, which is much less a problem than it originally was.

For those not in the know, you don't want to spend more money than necessary in a recession.

[BWS1982]

just to repair and take calls regarding RRoD? So their workforce ballooned about 3 to 4 years ago in correlation with that as well? I honestly am asking for clarification, because I'm not aware of what jobs were cut.

[Shepherd 214]

Its utterly amazing how Rockstar Games recently stated that they prefer the Playstation platform, since their next game Agent will be a PS3 exclusive, and Guerrilla Games also stated they prefer the PS3 more, and they get no crap at all. But when Valve says they like the 360 more and thats what they prefer to develop for, "They are on MS's payroll", or "They love MS's money not MS."

Bunch of hypocritical BS is all it is. I love it.

[TheDude2dot0]

"Its utterly amazing how Rockstar Games recently stated that they prefer the Playstation platform, since their next game Agent will be a PS3 exclusive, and Guerrilla Games also stated they prefer the PS3 more, and they get no crap at all. But when Valve says they like the 360 more and thats what they prefer to develop for, "They are on MS's payroll", or "They love MS's money not MS."

That would be a good point if Rockstar allowed an unfinished, glitchy game onto the 360 before claiming no part in the game development at all. However, that is not the case. Therefore, your comparison sucks.

[Pandamobile]

Valve isn't swayed by Microsoft.

Valve's priority is with thier Steam platform.

[Shepherd 214]

your post makes no sense, therefore, your an idiot. I cant recall a glitchy, unfinished game being released that is made by Valve on 360, much less PC.

[TheDude2dot0]

your post makes no sense, therefore, your an idiot. I cant recall me saying that Valve released an unfinished, glitchy game on the 360. Read the damn post before making yourself look like a retard.

[Shepherd 214]

your horrible use of the english language makes the post suggest something other than what you probably intended. Rockstar never did it either pal.

[TheDude2dot0]

Wtf?!? I just copied your exact first two sentences in my post and you are insulting my grammar? I do admit that one part was awkward wording, but I couldn't find the right way to say it.

[MajesticBeast]

Gabe is so far up there ass he cant even see. Big surprise who submitted this btw...

[deeznuts]

How can Valve see anything, they're in front, grabbing their ankles.

[mcgrawgamer]

valve has always been buddy with MSFT. why do you think the dreamcast got half life games? MSFT OS.

the orginal xbox had valve games counter strike, half life, etc,.

Now the 360 is getting some love.

If memory serves me correct aside from the orange box the only other game the ps brand got from valve was half life.

[PirateThom]

The Dreamcast never got any Valve games.

Gearbox completed a version of Half-Life for the Dreamcast, but it only ever released on PS2 due to the Dreamcast dying, essentially.

[Jdoki]

oops, wrong reply...

[mastiffchild]

Oh, come on Gabe worked with and for MS for ages so the relationship's bound to be a strong one. Plus, this is like Insomniac saying they get on with Sony-it's not news as what was he gonna say?

Hardly gonna come out with a big list of moans about MS when their games all come out on MS platforms is he? I do think it's a shame that Valve have stayed in what for them is a development comfort zone as it makes Gabe look a bit lazy when ND and others have found ways of doing great things on PS3 that he didn't feel they would-I'm sure with the talent at Valve they could really make PS3 sing but the inclination just isn't there, oh well.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

...BLIND THEN!!! ;-D

It don't matter tho, i can get your games for my P.C if i liked any of them(which i don't really) ;)

[-MD-]

So you don't like good games?

[el zorro]

And you would still be buying Microsoft's games, which is where console manufacturers make most of their money anyway. If you buy Halo or Gears or Fable, you're still buying a Microsoft game and they don't care whether you buy it for 360 or PC. That is why they put it on both of their platforms in the first place.

As for this game, I don't think Valve care either. You're still buying their game either way.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Yeah get it on PC and play it with your "Microsoft Windows" (rolls eyes) droids are so freaking stupid.

[AngryTypingGuy]

Valve makes great games. They're all incredibly polished. My only critique of them is that it's time to update their graphics engines.

[evilmonkey501]

kinda like an abused woman....doesn't see the bad side of him , only the good, right? Until you know something else, how can you compare?

[gnothe1]

i don't understand you Sony guys, you guys wanna sit here an complain that valve which is not an exclusive developer only brings their games to 360 an PC, what about Ted Price, you don't hear 360 guys complaining that he don't make games for the 360, he's not a Sony first party developer, but he chooses to stay with Sony just like David jaffe. why are you guys so bitter about this when there's guys doing the same thing for Sony!!

[Sez]

the reason why 360 owners don't complain about Insomniac's games. is because they don't care for them. when have you hear a 360 owner say they want R&C,RFoM games on the 360.

[The Master Chief]

Holler at me when Insomniac games makes one AAA game this generation....and not generic Halo rip-offs like Resistance.

Naw, Insomniac is a great developer.

But Xbox 360 gets the best support possible from Bungie, Epic, Bioware, Valve, Infinity Ward, Square Enix, Rockstar, Lionhead, Remedy, Bethesda and everyone else.

Insomniac are good, but not that^^^ good.

[el zorro]

I don't know about that. Insomniac games are at least decent. I just think 360 fans don't whine and complain as much in general.

I do agree with the fact that ps3 fans are really hypocritical. They cry foul if a developer likes working with Microsoft and doesn't particularly enjoy working on the ps3, but they think it is perfectly fine that independent developers like Ted Price or David Jaffe would choose to develop exclusively for the ps3.

What's really stupid about the ps3 fans' attitude is that at least some Valve games are available to play on the ps3...but not a single insomniac game is available on the 360. Hypocrisy at its finest.

[GayASSAdmins]

Hypocrisy Exclusive to the PS3.

[Jdoki]

I think that the hatred/dislike towards Valve goes back to Gabe's comments that Sony should scrap the PS3. It shows a certain amount of disrespect towards a company that has arguably done more for gaming than Valve.

The Orange Box fiasco on PS3 also sits uneasily with PS3 owners.

Generally you don't hear the first and second party Sony devs smacktalking about the 360 in the same way that Valve has done in the past and Turn10 is now doing. It makes the developers look petty and stupid.

How many times can the Turn10 guy say 'definitive'? It just comes across as dumb. There's nothing wrong with having lofty ambitions to beat the class/market leader, but infantile behaviour rarely wins fans.

If Gabe and Co. are happy to take the Microsoft dollar, that's fine - just STFU and let the games do the talking.

[Troll-Killer]

LOL...so now we're bringing Turn10 into this? O.K....

I suppose it's perfectly fine that Polyphony Digital...for the past 3 generations...has continually thumped their collective chest, while proclaiming GT is "the ultimate racing sim"...amiright???

GTFO >>>>>

[Jdoki]

@ Troll Killer

I have never heard PD being arrogant. They have always just got on with the job of trying to make the best racing sim.

I've never heard them take digs at peers. If you have a link that would be great.

Pride in their work is not the same as 'chest beating'. T10 are obviously gunning for GT, which is great if that what motivates them. But I don't like their new arrogance and I don't like the increasing arrogance MS are showing.

[moparful99]

Look heres the deal... This has nothing to do with valve remaining faithful to the 360.. You're right sony has its own 2nd party devs that remain exclusive and its because the relationship they have with sony is a good an profitable one... But instead the issues is with gabe and valves open dislike of the ps3, to the point that they bash the system... That is highly unprofessional... The only thing valve is doing is destroying the reputation that it took them years to establish...

[Hiruma Youchi]

N4G fanboys are collapsing!

Devs dont see the devil in MS . Devs love MS.

only N4G sony fanboys are angry @ MS.

I dont hate sony. Its farrrr from that. I own Ps2 , psp ,psone.

I hate N4G PS3 fanboys.

[The Master Chief]

haha No Microsoft are a bunch or Satanists that swim in money and there only goal as a corporation....to destroy Sony!!!

muahahahahha

Dumb droids.

[el zorro]

I'm the same way. I currently own a PS2, PSP, and PS3 and I don't hate Sony at all. I just really dislike most PS3 fanboys.

[Model]

cant afford a ps3 kid ?

[Hiruma Youchi]

eh? I can afford a PS3 I just dont want one.

[Model]

good for you
/S

[notpill]

Newell spent thirteen years working for Microsoft Corporation, ultimately becoming a "Microsoft Millionaire." Newell has described himself as "producer on the first three releases of Windows".

[likedamaster]

Confirmed, only possible on 360/PC!

[-MD-]

Not to mention the only platforms worth putting Valve's games on.

[TheOutsider]

Why would PS3 want N64 graphic like left for dead? They are all lazy just like that fat a$$ developer that works or them! this game and the 3shi**y can all be LEFT FOR DEAD!! Ps3 plays ahead not behind! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

[Model]

yeah 5 year old engine is only possible on 360

[Guitarded]

It's not about the engine. It's about STEAM and XBOX LIVE. PSN, and the PS3 for that matter, suck as gaming platforms. Valve, and many others, believe this. Millions of LIVE Gold Members believe this. The only ones that don't believe it are the Sony suck force. SUCKERS!

[odisho68]

to say that it is only possible on the 360/PC is ridiculous...it would be possible on the PS3 if valve actually cared to make it for that system...dont be a fanboy and realize that all these games r possible on opposite systems except for maybe some of the PS3 titles such as God of War 3 and Uncharted 2

[table]

"If it crossed someone's mind it wasn't the focus. The focus was 360 and PC. A) it's what we develop on. B) it's the platform we think lends itself to the interaction of our game the best."

In other words they are not skilled enough to develope for the ps3.

[Spike47]

They simply have a different approach to their install base and business.

Personally and surprisingly, I like Nintendo's approach. Make a low cost gimmick system and make millions out of it. Simple, yet effective.

[aldesko]

It's kinda true... it's sad that Valve has trouble making a PS3 port, but if they don't want to deal with it, that's their decision.

[bjornbear]

Maybe Valve know something i don't?...and obviously it wouldn't be the side you see from them, you are colaborators...without MS Valve wouldn't exist.

[badbond1]

Go point el Zorro! I'll just wait for it to come out on my Macbook instead of PC then! Down with Microsuck! SONY 4 LIFE!

[el zorro]

If you buy a Microsoft published game you are buying their game, regardless of what you play it on. Console manufacturers make most of their money off game sales and they certainly don't care which platform you buy it for.

[odisho68]

not if i just download it as a torrent lol

[Traveler]

Well then you'd be a pirate and deserve to get shot.

Seriously I hate pirates.

[DelbertGrady]

Can't wait to play L4D 2 on Xbox Live. I hope it has more campaigns and a bit more variety this time around.

[Gun_Senshi]

its confirmed to have 6 campains

[DelbertGrady]

Nice! Thx for the info. I was hoping somewhere around 8 or so but let's hope they give us 6 really good campaigns.

[iDystopia]

Are you sure Senshi? I heard there were 5 campaigns....could be wrong.

[dj55555555]

well when microsoft is your pimp you would say that

[Spike47]

like to scrub each other's back.

[DaPS3Duke]

Why else would he laught at something so childish.

[REALgamer]

The image attached to each company through marketing and public opinion are just that - images.

Underneath it is still a business. Do people think Nintendo are operated by Wii Fit playing, super happy fun time managers? Is Microsoft more evil because it's bigger?

In the end, it's only a portrayed image of each company people see through the products and advertising. Not the company itself. So I fail to see why people see Microsoft as evil, Nintendo as the bringers of rainbows and sunshine, and Sony as the 'hardcore'.

Seriously everyone, stop assuming Microsoft or Sony are out to get you, there's really no difference other than a name and logo.

[Cryptech]

I got L4D for PC and the guy in the article is funny. It kinda does look like they made it ten years ago. haha. Heres hoping L4D2 looks a lot better.

[NeloRisi]

Of course you'd be all buddy buddy since a lot of Valve employees are what, former MS employees. Thats cool you know? People are allowed to say they like one company and what to support it, I can commend that.

The only real thing I've been stung by is the Orange Box for the PS3. I know, I know, its been a while but still. The way Valve handled that... it was a nightmare.

You see Insomniac making games for the PS3, sure, okay, thats cool. What you DONT see Insomniac doing is making a game for the PS3 and then selling half that game to the 360 crowd. Why dont they do that? Because its ethically wrong.

Valve have good principles, they make good games, they just sold themselves for the Orange Box on the PS3. I cant commend that.

[NateDPG]

Because you yourself are big bad and evil

[xaviertooth]

keep your pathetic trash old-generation valve games to yourselves bots, those games are designed for noobs like you.

WE DON'T NEED ANY OF THEM, bwahahahahaha!!!

If i want a zombie game, i will buy dead rising 2 which looks waayyyyyyyy better in PS3!

[truegamer4life]

"If i want a zombie game, i will buy dead rising 2 which looks waayyyyyyyy better in PS3 and 360!"

[dogmeat eater]

So valve really couldn't do anything if EA wanted to port this to the PS3. But the PS3 already has enough games coming so this ok shooter wouldn't even matter.

[StanLee]

EA doesn't publish Left 4 Dead, they're just the distributors. The game is actually published by Valve Software and developed by one of their studios, Turtle Rock Studios.

[blizzard_cool]

Does anyone, I mean anyone actually know what the F*ck they are talking about? I mean KNOWING not saying your opinion.
Do you work for MS? no...
Do you work for Sony? no...

How do you know anything what's actually going on in them( I mean as a company ).

I'll use my friends job as a example. He work in our country's best chocolate factory (it's not a joke). It's well known. Their chocolate is taste and everyone loves it. But when I hear my friend when he speaks of that company it sounds like a freaking h*ll hole... Not the job, the way it's being run.

No one actually knows about it if they aren't working for them.

[maxcer]

cadbury fanboys are so dumb, nestle is the real chocolate lovers chocolate

:)

[xdye017]

Only Sony fanboys say this is crap. You're missing the best co-op game. And you can't underestimate the king of FPSs, Valve. Go cry now.

[Model]

no need for xshit, their games are for pc too bot

[CypH]

valve are bad developers. their exclusive titles look like multiplat quality

[Fleet Fox]

lmao Valve are legendary. They are soooooooooooo much bigger and better than any crap Sony developer that it's not even comparable. Its Valve, and your a Sony noob.

[CypH]

....

I go small for you. Give me anything to compare with
resistance FOM

[All Time Greatness]

What are you ten?

Resistance?????????

Dude. Stop embarassing yourself.

Valve made Half-life 2, you know that little FPS. Considered one of the greatest games of all-time and the greatest FPS of all-time by a HUGE amount of people.

What a nooblet.

Resistance isn't even remotely in the top echelon of shooters like Half-life, Halo, Modern Warfare, Gears of War, Doom, Bioshock.

[SaberEdge]

Virtually any game Valve has ever made is better than Resistance FOM.
Valve are truly among the best of the best and you must have just started gaming this year if you didn't know that.

[CypH]

hate list?

are you guys lying?

[Erotic Sheep]

Cyph, as much as I think Resistance is indeed a good game.. I have to say Half-life 1 AND Half-Life 2 are one of my top FPS games ever.
Yes Valve is THAT good, Gearbox is THAT good. Team Fortress and Half-Life are simply games to praise so even those 20000 names for the L4D boycott won't damage them. They still have millions of fans awaiting the much anticipated Episode 3 for Half-Life (Like I am \o/)

[Marty8370]

Valve's loss. Only supporting two of the most pirated platforms(PC, 360) this gen is seriously stupid. Considering all other devs that make games for PS3 as well as other platforms, say the PS3 has generated the most profits for them.

[daflint]

This is quite an unnecessary debate. If they don't find MS bad to them, well then they aren't, at least to Valve.
Or do all the fanboys decide who's bad or not? I haven't heard of any law saying that yet.

[Father Murder X]

L4D is a community based game. That community doesn't exist on Playstation Network. People tend to use things that they pay for (Xbox Live) I have gaming buddies all over the world on the 360 and I have about 3 friends on the PSN and I have had the system since launch. The online comunity is more active and robust on Xbox Live which makes it easier to have a game like L4D be successful. It is not a graphics powerhouse by no means (like Killzone 2, Msg4) but the heart of the game is playing online with your buddies and having fun. Most of the people on PSN don't even have mics. I had to tell a friend of mine the other day that PSN was free and that he can use any bluetooth headset. It is almost like the Ps3 is too high tech for most people to understand!!

[All Time Greatness]

"It is almost like the Ps3 is too high tech for most people to understand!! "

Yea, PS3 is sooo cutting edge.

*rolls eyes*

[DaPS3Duke]

My favorite FPS games this gen are Modern Warfare, HL2, Killzone 2, and Bioshock.

[BrianC6234]

Of course Valve doesn't see the evil side of Microsoft. Valve is evil too. What a dumb company Valve is. It's great to see so many people all over them now for trying to rip gamers off.

[jdktech2010]

They have never (as far as I know) had a reputation for ripping people off. In fact, everyone I talk to and everything I've experience with people who buy Valve products have nothing but the best to say about the value they receive with their purchases.

[Model]

this thread is full of xbots.... I DONT CARE, GABE NEWELL IS A FAT DEECK JUST LIKE YOU XBOT

[NeoBasch]

THEN YOU ARE LOST!!!

lol

couldn't resist (Revenge of the Sith is a gold mine for quotes)

[shadowboricua]

Valve just does not want to learn to code for PS3... I can't wait until they are defeated...

[gnothe1]

valve doesnt wanna learn PS3 code. the PC will be around for ever, the 360 runs code JUST LIKE a PC. nothing new to learn, the PS3 on the other hand runs code a completely differently way. now its a FACT that every new console Sony changes their chip therefore changing the way you build games for their system. the did it for the PS1, they had the emotion engine for the PS2 an now the cell chip for the PS3 an many developers are getting tired of having to go through this new learning curve every time Sony does a console, but up until this gen if you wanted your game sold it almost had to be on the PLAYSTATION because they were the most dominate system. this gen MS has proven they can sell systems an games an developers don't feel the NEED for PLAYSTATION as much anymore!! don't be surprised if the PS4 have a completely different chip than the PS3, again making developers have to learn another system. as long as MS keep providing developers with easy to use an powerful systems Sony is gonna have to rely more on its first party developers. I know Sony has a lot of first party developers but which one has produced a game more critically acclaimed than COD,AC or GTA.so therefore I BELIEVE MS is always gonna had that advantage!!

[potenquatro]

Little harsh don't you think.

[Erotic Sheep]

Saying you hope Valve gets defeated clearly shows you dont know what kind of awesome stuff they gave gamers.

If it wasn't for Valve I doubt we'd see these awesome FPS games this gen, Half-Life 1 gave new life to FPS games years ago, just like Bungie did with Halo 1. I don't care if they refuse to develop for the PS3, fact remains Half-Life is an AWESOME FPS and only a good developer could create such thing.

[Pandamobile]

Agreed with gnothe1.

PC Gaming will be around for as long as video gaming is. It's true that the 360 runs the same code frame as an x86 PC, so naturally, it's easy to develop for both.

The PS3's architecture is too vastly different to make coding for it worth while.

Especially when Left 4 Dead 2's development team is about 20 people.

[billybob2468]

Did anyone else notice how they said "titbits" in the 6th paragraph?

[deividpaulo]

humm...the valve choose the looser side..uaheuaheuahe

great choose FAT MAN useless

[jdktech2010]

Please use complete sentences. It makes it way easier to understand what you are saying.

[Pandamobile]

Nice grammar. Please go back to first grade English and maybe you can accomplish something in life.

[potenquatro]

It's like the heart of the industry is shifting from japan to USA, much like it shifted from USA to japan in the 80's. I know it's off-topic. But it's very intresting watching Valve,Epic,Bungie,Rockstar,Nau ghtyDog,etc etc, basically be the driving force this gen on consoles and pc. It's also intresting how Nintendo and Capcom are always on top of their game when theese realities come about.

[Avenged Sevenfold]

"Because the C|_|M and wads of cash are in our eyes"

[MrDee]

microsoft is the reason sony step they game up.

[JJFNIGHTS80]

The only reason Valve is on M$ side is because of $$$$$. And they don't like to deal with blu-ray because they don't want to delay and the hard programming that other dev have trouble with. Plus Xbox came out a year a head of PS3 which i hate to say so Vavle can get their sales and keep making more titles only on the Xbox 360. I wouldn't mind having it on my PS3. As for Faliszek he only keeps it on the Xbox 360 for the sales so they can keep making more sequels on the hardware that sells. Look at Konami their games is going multiplatform, MSG 4 sells top over 1 million. And I don't see why it will hurt Vavle make Left 4 Dead of PS3, just because they won't use the blu-ray tech.

[DMasta718]

Valve is to Microsoft as Insomniac is to Sony.

Stop the BS people

[Figboy]

they are businesses.

they do what they do to make money.

shady? sure.
immoral? possibly.
cutthroat? most definitely.

evil? no.

most higher up execs are douches, but then again, most people with money are douches (i live in Los Angeles, so there's no shortage of wealthy douchebags here, so my view IS a little warped from the rest of the world).

i'm not a fan of Microsoft one bit (although i, oddly enough, own a 360 that is, currently, sitting next to my TV, glaring at me because i haven't turned it on in months...), but to say they are "evil," is a bit dramatic.

they are run by businessmen who will do and say whatever they think you want to see and hear to take your money. Sony and Nintendo are no different.

and when they make mistakes, and say something you DON'T want to hear, they change tactics and try something else they think will work.

example: Nintendo's E3 last year was pathetic. it was a travesty, and a joke. this year's E3 for Nintendo was still pathetic, and a joke, but it wasn't a travesty. they through out some heavy stuff (Golden Sun: DS, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Metroid: Other M), whih was EXACTLY what Nintendo supporters wanted from them, that they DIDN'T get last year.

same thing applies to Sony and MS. Sony was criticized for focusing too much on the multi-media aspects of the PS3 last year, and this painted the console in a negative light for gamers, so this year was all about games, with very little, if anything, about multi-media features.

Microsoft is kind of all over the place, and they come off as not knowing WHAT their fanbase wants anymore. they throw out some casual stuff here, hardcore games there, in the hopes that they are appeasing everyone, but instead, it comes off as haphazard and sloppy. last years surprise FFXIII 360 announcement went over very well, so they tried it again this year with MGS, only, it didn't go over so well (it wasn't the game that 360 fans have been clamoring for, MGS4, and was instead, a spin-off not written and directed by series creator Hideo Kojima, and it was multi-plat to boot).

i expect next years E3 to be a different story, with all three companies attempting to cater to what they THINK their demographic wants.

like i said, it's all business, and unless people are being murdered, i don't think Microsoft, or any of the gaming companies are "evil."

well, except Activision. i'm pretty sure they're the Anti-Christ of the gaming world. no company should be allowed to put out that many mediocre games and STILL net a profit of $1 BILLION a year. SOMEone sold their soul, i'm sure of it...

[Boty]

One who looks in the mirror will see no cons of character.

[Enigma_2099]

Companies have exclusive developers. Just assume Valve is exclusive to Microsoft. And also assume that any other excuse they give you for it is bulls***.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

I'll keep that in mind the next time I hear Insomniac praise Sony.

[Pandamobile]

Valve? Exclusive to Microsoft? Hah.

The only thing they're exclusive to is DirectX.

[Enigma_2099]

I never said it wasn't. So what's the point you were trying to make?

[mgsfan55]

Well Gabe and the other guys at Valve were Microsoft execs and made their fortunes there before they founded Valve. They are PC developer first and foremost and the 360 is basically a PC so it's a easy port.

But frankly I don't know why anyone would buy a Valve game on a console. The 360 and PS3 versions of Orange Box and the 360 Left 4 Dead were faaar inferior to the PC versions. They don't put much effort to accommodate the consoles.

I mean 360 and PS3 should have been playing games based on a 5 year old engine with all kinds of improvements, streaming loads, 60fps ect. easy.

[saimcheeda]

U can just see their ass while ur kissing it right now :P....u cant say that i own M$ Games coz i dont play on pc!

[Etseix]

he only sees the green paper in front of his eyes lol

[GiantEnemyCrab]

They have a good mutual beneficial relationship and 360 owners get to enjoy Valves games. End of story.

[GarandShooter]

Anyone with time like to cross reference the defenders on this thread with those decrying MS when they were asking for payback from the overpaid severences? I defended MS and received a whole lotta hate.

Anyway, corporations exist to make money, if they don't make money they don't exist. They aren't evil in the sense that they exist soley to do harm to the world. What we see as evil depends heavily upon our perspective and experiences, and I daresay that part of ourselves that we project into our judgements.

I believe Hamlet said it best: "Why then 'tis none to you; for there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."

[chisox100]

Microsoft paid them 5 million to say that.

[Amplitude]

It seems that people over at Valve are getting worried about L4D2. Honestly, nobody heard ANYTHING about them till now, and now they're all over the front page trying to get somebody to call the waaaambulance for them.

Seriously. What the hell? Shut up and make more games. Honestly, I dont think ill ever buy another Valve game. Dumbasses. This is how you get people to boycott your company - piss them off.

[jdktech2010]

I'm not sure if you've heard but they are making more games and one of them is called Left 4 Dead 2 coming out later this year......crazy, isn't it?

Oh, and I'm sure they won't be mad when you don't buy their games considering a good majority of the rest of the gaming world will and enjoy it happily for months to come

[jdktech2010]

Is it really that hard to believe that Valve has a good relationship with Microsoft?

Kinda like Insomniac has a good relationship with Sony.

I swear most everyone on this site tries to turn everything into pointless squabbling even when it's just a simple fact being posted that Valve has a mutual relationship with Microsoft.

[Obama]

Try searching "More evil than Satan himself" on Google

[Obama]

They lied. Try searching "More evil than Satan himself" on Google

[dragonslayer91]

And we have a winner!!! Valve could have done it right the first time if they had used Bluray.

Truth is---the 360 cannot handle the expansion as DLC. Microsoft's new cash cow policy is digital distro. You know how they tell you that you can install games now to save your cheap ass DVD drive from making that loud jet engine sound?

Gee thanks!!! How convenient!!!

Who needs Bluray? Right?

It's download this, download that...oops, the hard drive is full. Now, you will have to either delete some of your valued content OR buy our "special super expensive proprietary hard drive" for more storage space.

And then...ka-ching$$ (Dave Chappelle voice)--- GOTCHA BYTCH!!!

But wait... Thats not all---Do you wanna install and play the full version of Forza 3? Well you're gonna need some more HDD space, so start deleting some more content.

No problem. Right?

Wrong.

They should call the 360 sequel "Left for Dead2-Taken for a Ride". PC users should get it free as DLC.

Who needs Bluray? Right?
It just "unnecessarily raises the cost of the console".
Right?

Wrong.

Ooops. I hate that I did that.

[iANONYMOUS]

You have just won the "Lamest offensive reply ever".
Oh look, It's the Blu-ray lame same'ol same'ol attack tactics.
Oh Shi-! Im scare like hell.
Go on, start writing more about this "Blu-ray" im interest..
Interest to puke on it!

[iANONYMOUS]

False.
Have you heard about the 50% of L4d PC games?
The sells hike up to 3000% more.
I dont see that as evil.
In fact, there's no evil in Sony and MS.

You see PS2 games? how many games were there ?
What happen to PS3?
It is hard to develop on!
Most Japanese game producer have a hard time developing game for PS3,
that's why I hardly see any JRPG on that console.
They dont have enough money and time to do it, so they resort it to Wii,NDS and PSP or some to 360.

Sony fanboys should chill down.
Try working with them, and see for yourself.

I love Valve and their games, Half-life especially.
They arent evil. Prove me otherwise, if no, then STFU.

At least MS dont try to cheat on some money from arcade games distributors =3

[kaveti6616]

I imagine most of the quotes that these so-called journalists get are just in passing and don't really mean anything.

For example, a dev could easily be walking to the john to take a leak and a wannabe reporter will sidle to him and ask, "Wait, what do you think of the console hardware debate. Do you think the 360 is better or do you think the PS3 is better?"

Dev: "Well, jeez, you know I really need to take a leak. Can this wait till another time?"

Reporter: "No, real quick, any answer will do (*cuz I'm gonna spin it for hits anyways*)."

Dev: "Um, I don't know, they're both pretty equa-"

Reporter: "What, I'm sorry I didn't hear you."

Dev: "The second one. The second one is better."

Reporter: "So you're saying the PS3 is more powerful and has better capabilities??"

Dev (now starting to pee on himself): "Uh.... yeah, yeah. Gotta go!"

And that is how it's done ladies and gentleman. As if a dev will stop a reporter to make it clear that, "Hey, this console is better than that console."

Even when he says it it's just an opinion. You can't forget that just because these people know how to program doesn't mean they know everything. Plus, when people say that Gabe Newell is only saying this because Microsoft funds him, why don't they also accept that TECMO says the PS3 is more powerful because Sony is funding their exclusives?