The Road to October: Looking Beyond E3 2009

On June 1st, Turn 10's game director Dan Greenawalt shared a stage with the likes of Steven Spielberg and the Beatles to officially announce our next big thing on Xbox 360: Forza Motorsport 3. Those 5 short minutes Dan spent in the spotlight to talk briefly about Forza 3 were made possible through the coordination and mobilization of entire teams at both Turn 10 and Xbox 360.

[user9422077]

lol

[BadboyCivic]

I think forza has a great franchise, but my best memories were with GT...driving my VR4 listening to "the Cardigans" or Rob Zombie...GT 1 and 2 were the best in my opinion...

[green]

LOL

[gamesmaster]

polyphony digital are all about perfection, i'd expect no less from them.

the whole passge...

"Perhaps the most surprising to me was when a couple developers from Gran Turismo makers Polyphony Digital came by to personally get hands-on with Forza 3, all the while taking careful notes, examining our UI system, shooting photos, and directly asking us some pretty interesting questions. The reason I say I was personally surprised was because PD aren’t generally known as a studio to acknowledge that there are racing games that exist beyond their own. Which could explain why the GT franchise has been so stagnant in the racing genre since GT3. So it seems competition is good for the consumer after all. I know for a fact that Turn 10 will never stop pushing racing games to the next level."

"Which could explain why the GT franchise has been so stagnant in the racing genre since GT3"

stagnant = characterized by lack of development, advancement, or progressive movement.

turn 10 are very up themselves lately...

[OmarJA]

Looks like Polyphony Digital got nothing to worry about.

[sonarus]

There is competition between the two. Forza already took a long look at GT5P to make sure they surpass it with their next game. If they allow polyphony expect to also look to check in on the competition

[I_am_rushin]

"I know for a fact that Turn 10 will never stop pushing racing games to the next level."

If that isn't ego than I don't know what is.

[Information Minister]

Do keep in mind that this comes straight from Turn 10, and they are far from being the most trustworthy source.

But they do seem to be taking lessons from Dennis Dyack.

[Strikepackage Bravo]

Turn 10 could probably teach them a few things. Or perhaps the reason they are taking so long to launch GT is because they have no clue WTF to do next, this would also explain why the series has stayed stagnant.

Overall this is not unusual, from Uncharted to MGS4 we have seen nothing but PS3 games borrowing the newest innovations in game play from 360 exclusives.

Gears, Halo, Forza have all done things not before done in their genre, Sony would be foolish not to copy and improve upon those ideas.

[BulletToothtony]

haha i kid, i kid.. don't get angry fanboys!

[JokesOnYou]

"The reason I say I was personally surprised was because PD aren’t generally known as a studio to acknowledge that there are racing games that exist beyond their own."

-lol, its true because the PD dev is on record saying something about he didnt know anything about Forza/Turn10. Also he didn't say they were "spying" he just described their interest, but his comment about GT being stangnant imo is somewhat correct since GT3 but it would be alot better to just note their interest as a compliment and shut up, still it doesn't help when people say he said things that he didn't.

JOY

[TheBand1t]

What're you smoking dude? Uncharted copied Kill.switch, if anything. Unless you think ND could make a game on a new system with a engine they had to build from scratch a year after Gears. It was probably in development for at least a year BEHIND Gears.

MGS4 did not take any ideas from the 360. It only made older ideas from the series more accessible.

[Lemons]

What a total ignorant.

Microsoft this generation have been the biggest plagurists of any of the big three. They've whipped out their cheque book and bought their way into numerous exclusive deals.

I suppose its easy to trash talk games without obviously having the faintest clue as to what was the inspiration or influence in their development. I suppose the games you cite as 'innovative', didn't borrow from elsewhere ? What was your list again, 'Gears, Halo and Forza' ? How long have you been gaming, a couple of years ? Pull your head out of the sand, or your arse or wherever you may have it currently parked and apply a bit of thought next time you reply.

Gears, Halo, Forza, innovation ? LOL, genius.

[raztad]

@strke

The Ganja u r using is in bad state dud. MGS4 copying? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL in any case Hideo K is copying himself. I'm wondering from which game MGS4 is borrowing. Ey, strike please, answer that.

UC is a gameplay blend. I dont now if ND borrowed something from Gears, but in any case it did perfect it, while putting together a lot of different gameplay elements.

From who is borrowing R&C? VC?

Besides dud, to borrow a good idea, complement it and make it better is a quite common practice.

[Megaton]

"Perhaps the most surprising to me was when a couple developers from Gran Turismo makers Polyphony Digital came by to personally get hands-on with Forza 3, all the while taking careful notes, examining our UI system, shooting photos, and directly asking us some pretty interesting questions. The reason I say I was personally surprised was because PD aren’t generally known as a studio to acknowledge that there are racing games that exist beyond their own. Which could explain why the GT franchise has been so stagnant in the racing genre since GT3. So it seems competition is good for the consumer after all. I know for a fact that Turn 10 will never stop pushing racing games to the next level."

So they take an interest in your game, and you trash talk their franchise for it. Stay classy!

[Mr_Potato_]

It clearly show they're dumbasses. Forza will be poor man's GT forever, stop dreaming Turn 10, GT sold >50 million games and you're nothing.

[gears22]

Turn Ten seems scared and insecure to write such a stupid article.I don't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for you guys.

...Btw,Miyamoto was "Spying" on the PSP GO!,must BE something.

EDIT: Oh it's Che,nothing to see here,this was the same guy who bashed GT and made some pretty good lies about it,this could also be one ;) Way to go Che!

[Omega4]

Its no surprise considering they got some serious competition for best racing sim

[Why o why]

of grandeur or just pleased to be noticed...?

Cant wait until these games are BOTH released.

[TheColbertinator]

Seems to me like simple observation.

[Johnny Rotten]

Sony was spying on Nintendo's waggle sticks
Microsoft was spying on Sony's Eyetoy
and Nintedo was spying on Nintendo.

[KKanjiAnkh]

You have to recycle the arc,
Nintendo was spying on Sony
Klonoa PS1 Classic
Digaea PS2 Classic
Phantom Brave PS2 Classic
Rhapsody PS1 Classic

water doesn't just turn to vapor, but at least new gamers get to experience these gems.

[Marty8370]

Everybody does it to some degree.

[AnonUser5555]

Turn 10 just seems to be the biggest bunch of d-bags around.

First "no one can compete with them." Now PD can't even checkout their game w/o a classless remark.

Inferiority complex much?

[mistajeff]

That one bearded dude seems kinda full of himself, at least that's the impression i got from G4's hands on that i watched during e3.

Forza 3 looks good though, i won't lie, i just dont care too much about racing games.

[aldesko]

Yeah, they were really arrogant this e3.

Still looking forward to Forza 3, though.

[mistajeff]

learning from competition? what the hell is this, capitalism?!?

ohhh yeah, now i remember.

[Max Power]

"Hooray capitalism!" ~ Austin Powers

[PotNoodle]

Hasn't anyone seen that picture of miyamoto at E3 this year playing on a PSP Go? Is he spying? Competition for the DS? :p

You know, game developers are like boxers - they all respect each other and 99% of the time have no problem with each other at all.. but when it comes down to business they'll want to destroy each other - even if while they're trying to do that, they still do like and respect each other.

Its like the way, recently in an interview with one of the guys from Turn 10 that of course, GT is their inspiration and infact that guy actually said he wouldn't be doing that if it wasn't for Gran turismo.

EDIT: Just read what they actually wrote on the blog.. why are they being so rude? Just wrote them a nice comment.

[raztad]

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!

This is way too much. So to assist to a conference is to spy now? Turn 10 people is too annoying considering its game got less cars than the PSP version of GT and its running at 720p.

[LCF]

PD is prolly trying to figure out why F3 is on 2 DVDs lol. A racer on 2 DVDs in this gen, I cant get over that.

[somekindofmike]

What a surprise, developers who spend a considerable amount of their working life working on racing games pay attention to other developers working on racing games, it's not like they have anything in common or anything?

Both development teams share a passion for the genre, it's no surprise they are going to be interested in each others work.

[floppyfeet]

Bu bu its normal to do it!

I dont recall turn 10 going to see polyphony and taking pictures , notes about the UI , and asking the developers questions about the engine

[cereal_killa]

How do you know what Turn 10 has done do you work for them or just stalk them like a deranged Muppet fanboy.

[badbond1]

I look forward to Forza 3 coming out before GT5. I fully expect GT5 to be 10 times better than Forza 3. For a brief outlook, check out Gran Turismo on the PSP. Double the cars and the quality is superb!

[floppyfeet]

comparing a psp game to a 360 game

wow , i have seen it all

[Brixxer600]

Hardly newsworthy .

Why wouldn't PD check out what they're doing ? , if you're on top and want to stay there then you have to know the competition.

As a game i prefer Forza to GT and i also think that it's time GT evolved, it is a very good simulation and graphically it looks incredible but as a game i find it boring and sterile.

Apart from being a very good driving game, Forza excels at forging a community and has the added bonus of excellent customisation , whether or not you want to put Super Mario on your car or not doesn't matter , what matters is that the option is there, it's your choice.

[sarshelyam]

I managed to get a copy of the notes PD was taking, here, I'll summarize:

1) Turn 10 have made leaps beyond Race Driver, this is true, but their UI is clunky and amateurish. It is obvious to us that nobody in T10's studios even knows how to drive a manual transmission automobile considering the clunky animation of the internal driver.

2) Forza Motorsport 3 will include over 400 cars from 50 manufacturers, and over 100 tracks! This is a noble attempt to defeat us, however, our "portable" iteration of GT features 800 licensed vehicles, 30 Tracks with numerous variations including mirrored/reverse tracks, 60fps, AdHoc support

3) We win, however, T10's efforts are cute...like a puppy.

[peeps]

perhaps it's that they too are gamers... they may be the guys behind GT but i'm sure GT isn't the only game they play lol I've always wondered actually if game developers enjoy playing the games that they have developed.

and going off topic, same with music artists. I wonder if an artist that has written a song can enjoy hearing that song like someone who didn't write it...

[BlackPrince 42]

When did checking out the competition at a public event, for developers at anyways, become spying? And even calling it competition between Forza and GT feels inaccurate because they won't be directly competing with one another for sales due to the fact that they're on different consoles.

I'll just file this under PR baiting.

[Max Power]

at these type of events all developers do this (play others games), I mean for the most part of a couple years they are focused on their own game, and very rarely can they step outside the box and play something similar but from different people.

[Serg]

That is the usual way Microsoft handles things, trash the competition to draw attention away from the mess they produced. Until they are the only one left and can sit on their arrogant a s s e s. But I wonder why they still haven't realized that Sony isn't Linux, there is virtually nobody behind Linux, nobody owns Linux. Sony on the other hand is a international multi billion dollar company and MS is getting way ahead of themselves. While Nintendo still holds the crown as the industries most innovative company, Sony has provided some major innovations as well and continues to do so by producing games no other company would dare to approve because the concepts are risky, Little big Planet anyone? And what does MS do? Rush their console release leaving crucial flaws in the final product and not even fixing it after 3,5 years on the market. At their 08 E3 press conference they could barely stop bragging about how they are beating the PS3 sales wise. This year they left the pie charts out because it was suddenly "too boring" for the crowd, I wonder why, maybe because there are no numbers in favor to the Xbox to show? Microsoft bit off more than they can chew and will suffer from this in the future.

And Turn 10, can't they just shut up already? Forza is this and Forza is that, show the damn game instead of blarring how wonderful your baby is, let the game speak not you. PD took notes, so the f*ck what, they should be proud the genre king is taking interest, instead they trash talk on Gran Turismo again. They should ask Ted Price (President and CEO of Insomniac games, Ratchet and Clank / Resistance) to teach them a lesson on how to be polite.

Hiphopgamer asked him at last years E3 if he thinks Resistance is better than Gears, his answer: "If you own both consoles you will have a hell of a holiday season." Time for Turn 10 to take "notes".

[Mr_Potato_]

Yeah, they've got a lot to learn. Hey dumbasses, you're nothing, PD sold 50 million games. Wake me up when you sell 50 million games.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

Is underestimate your competition.

[KilZoneGeneralStrife]

With the arrogance of T10, and this hinting that Polyphony is spying on T10,im close to just saying FCK TURN10.their playing a cheap game of words and should rather spend that time polishing up their game.Btw,I think Che Chou or some other spinster at T10 asked for this article to be written.

[ikral]

What a shot in a foot from T10. They are so excited they had to share hapiness with everybody, because PD took a look at their game. WOW!

[123456789]

just because gt4 didn't revolutionarize the genre doesn't mean the series is stagnant. imagine if killzone developers were this arogant about halo.

[AnonUser5555]

GT is already the standard. What exactly do they need to revolutionize? hahaha

Translation: "The gameplay is already perfect. So we add more cars, more tracks, and update the graphics for the next gen. And leave the gameplay alone."